Iyonix questions
John Pettigrew
questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
lovely Omega case...
Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
Ta
John
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James Sargent
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most
> uninspired case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not
> at least have provided a desktop case as well as the tower?
That may mean difficulty with the Podule slots.
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single
> memory slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get,
> that's it? Not a huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR
> RAM!
"The completely new motherboard features [...] a single slot to
accommodate a 64-bit 200MHz DDR RAM card"
NB: As *I* understand the Castle launch blurb, the launch machines will
have 128Mb, "normal" machines (after Christmas) 64Mb.
James
Robin May
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
It looks like you could fit it in any case, if you didn't fit the podule
backplane.
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
You can get PS/2 to USB converters. They provide you with two PS/2 ports and
cost about £30. I saw quite a few of them in shops around Tottenham Court
Road and one in a shop on the Strand.
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
Well, yes there's only one memory slot so the only way you can upgrade the
memory is by buying a completely new stick of memory. Taking out the 128mb
one and replacing it with, for example, a 512mb one or a 1gb one.
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<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I
> connect to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any
> way to convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch,
> or go back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
I'd check with Stuart Tyrrell about the options here.
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Chris Evans
> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
>
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board?
Yes
> So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
Need more? coming along to the CJE Stand tomorrow:-)
We may have them in stock:-)
Chris Evans
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James Sargent
> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
<panto> Oh yes you can </panto>
Peter Bell
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
Ummm, come to think of it, it's actually in circuit between my mouse
and the STD miniPS2mouse plugged into my RPC. <moves mouse> - yep,
that's working!
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John Pettigrew
> In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>
> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port. And
I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.
John
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Diehard Duck
the output was as follows:
Yes but that's the wrong way round. Although so was Mr Evans' desription. So
you've proved Mr Evans wrong, but haven't answered the original poster ;)
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Ian Stocks
message news:0590fd9...@xl-cambridge.com...
> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
> > In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> >
> > Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> > with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
> USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
> Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port.
And
> I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.
Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the trick.
Ian.
Diehard Duck
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Hm, that wake up switch looks a bit annoying though. Just don't use suspend
mode I suppose! Will there even be one?
The Doctor
John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
>
The podules may have presented more of a problem in a desktop case.
However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from
buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.
You could even buy an Omega case and fit it all in that.
You'll still have to cut the podule holes out though if you want them.
There may also be the case (<-pun;-) of voiding the warranty.
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
>
Stuart Tyrell is the man to speak to about this I think.
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
>
There is indeed only one DDR slot on the board.
Cheers!
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Ian Molton
Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>
> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
its not a converter (probably).
both USB and PS/2 have two power lines (+ and gnd) and two signal lines.
the connectro alters the PHYSICAL characterisitcs, but is pass-through
electronically.
the electronics in the MOUSE choose what mode to operate in
automagically.
this is borne out by the fact that my logitech iFeel WILL NOT work on
such a connector as it doesnt have the PS2 logic in it.
Robin May
>
> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
> > In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> >
> > Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> > with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
> USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
> Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port. And
> I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.
That's what I was talking about. I have seen something that can do that and
it cost about £30.
John Pettigrew
> In message <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>
> John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
>
> > With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have provided a desktop
> > case as well as the tower?
> >
> The podules may have presented more of a problem in a desktop case.
Not a huge problem for most people, I'd have thought. For example, I have 2
podules, fully occupying the backplane of my single-slice RPC. However, they
are a Blitz IDE interface and a ViewFinder graphics card, both of which will
be redundant in an Iyonix...
Of popular podules, I think that mostly leaves network cards, TV cards and
SCSI cards. The first of these are also redundant in an Iyonix (with its
build-in net), TV cards might be an issue, but podule SCSI cards will
probably be slower than the mobo IDE i/f in an Iyonix.
> However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from
> buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.
True, but a faff, and probably has warranty implications.
> You could even buy an Omega case and fit it all in that.
LOL. Now that *would* confuse people :-)
John
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Chris Evans
Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
The Logitech 'Adaptors' though are just plug convertors i.e. they is no
electronics in them. Thier mice auto detect what they are connected to and
then interface USB or PS2 as required. They do not change a USB signal into
a PS2 signal.
Diehard Duck
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> <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
>> wrote in message news:0590fd9...@xl-cambridge.com...
>>> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>>>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>>>>
>>>> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
>>>> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is
>>> converting a USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what
>>> would be needed with an Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and
>>> keyboard to plug into a USB port. And I don't think I've ever seen
>>> something to do this.
>>
>> Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
>> trick.
>
> Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
>
> The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
That's the only reason.
Robin May
>
> Amazingly, Chris Evans's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> the output was as follows:
> > In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian Stocks
> > <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
> >> trick.
> >
> > Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
> >
> > The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
>
> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
> That's the only reason.
I'd expect that it would require drivers to be written for RISC OS though.
The Doctor
John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
wrote:
> In a previous message, The Doctor wrote:
>
[super snip]
> > However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from
Ahem! Sorry, but that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ should read 'MicroATX design'
Lack of slepp.
> > buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.
Diehard Duck
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> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>
>> Amazingly, Chris Evans's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
>> that the output was as follows:
>>> In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian
>>> Stocks <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
>>>> Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
>>>> trick.
>>>
>>> Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
>>>
>>> The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
>>
>> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows
>> before 98. That's the only reason.
>
> I'd expect that it would require drivers to be written for RISC OS
> though.
Hm...I would expect standard Mouse/Keyboard drivers to work. This must
already be implemented into the Iyonix. The adapter itself shouldn't need
drivers.
Robin May
From what I know of these adapters, they present themselves as two PS/2
ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something more than
simple keyboard and mouse drivers.
Diehard Duck
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Just found this:
http://www.rotronic.co.uk/inter/new.htm
It's on there. About £5 cheaper too :)
Cheers
Russ
Diehard Duck
I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying you're
wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)
Robin May
I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex arrangement than
a simple human interface device type driver.
Diehard Duck
A fiver sez it works out of the box :P
Robin May
>
> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> the output was as follows:
> > Diehard Duck wrote:
> >>
> >> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> >> the output was as follows:
> >>> PS/2 ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something
> >>> more than simple keyboard and mouse drivers.
> >>
> >> I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying you're
> >> wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)
> >
> > I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex
> > arrangement than a simple human interface device type driver.
>
> A fiver sez it works out of the box :P
Ha, alright. Now we just have to find someone with an Iyonix and a converter
to test on it. Any volunteers?
Diehard Duck
the output was as follows:
> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>
>> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
>> the output was as follows:
>>> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
>>>> that the output was as follows:
>>>>> From what I know of these adapters, they present themselves as two
>>>>> PS/2 ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something
>>>>> more than simple keyboard and mouse drivers.
>>>>
>>>> I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying
>>>> you're wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)
>>>
>>> I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex
>>> arrangement than a simple human interface device type driver.
>>
>> A fiver sez it works out of the box :P
>
> Ha, alright. Now we just have to find someone with an Iyonix and a
> converter to test on it. Any volunteers?
Perhaps Castle can demo tomorrow. I won't be there...we'll rely on the
community to tell the truth :)
Robert Richards
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM (and may even
save you money cos you can sell the old RAM) and removes the problems
of mixing different RAM modules.
Nice machine. Fairly nice prce too!
John Pettigrew
> John Pettigrew wrote in message news:<379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>...
> > Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single
> > memory slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's
> > it?
>
> No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
> As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
> bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM
Well, yes, you can obviously take out the supplied memory, but you can't
simply add more - you have to replace what's there. It's more expensive to
buy a 256 MB than a 128 MB memory module (about GBP 65 rather than about GBP
35). Not a huge difference, but still worth a few pints.
> Nice machine. Fairly nice prce too!
Yes. I'll be interested to see what the "real" price is after the launch
offer expires, because I certainly won't be able to get one for a few months
yet.
John
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Ray Dawson
<ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use
> > USB keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I
> > connect to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there
> > any way to convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB*
> > switch, or go back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor. I'm
not sure if there are any USB only mice around.
Cheers,
Ray D
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> I'm not sure if there are any USB only mice around.
Yes, of course there are. Mine are USB ones that have an adapter to
PS/2. (Well, they're trackballs as I only use Logitech TrackMan Marble
devices, but it holds for real mice as well).
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druck
<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
I find whats on the monitor more interesting than the box.
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect
> to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to
> convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go
> back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
Many mice such as are now USB/PS2. The lead terminates in a USB plug, but has
a USB to PS2 adpator - note this is entirely passive, it doesn't do any
conversion, the mice supports both protocols.
> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm feeling
generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm likely to do,
but what the hell.
---druck
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druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2002 John Pettigrew
> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> > First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> > case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> > provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> > lovely Omega case...
>
> I find whats on the monitor more interesting than the box.
>
Of course you do, and well you should. I do too. But although for example, I
take special care, when presenting a meal, that it tastes just right, it has
to look and smell palatable. Although the meal is far more important than
the table it sits on, the table dimensions must be appropriate (its physical
characteristics); one doesn't only use physical dimensions when choosing
dining furniture. It has to look good in its setting.
It's OK to have a beige box for a computer in an office or study. It's much
better to have an aesthetically pleasing design if your computer will be on
view, for example in the sitting room, TV room, Office Reception area, etc.
You /are/ planning to have your modern RISCOS computer in view, are you not?
You're not planning to /hide/ the thing are you?
I don't want to restart any debates on which boxes are more awkard and
impractical to get into, but apple has largely based its recovery on
/aesthetics/.
Otherwise why does the iMac sell? price?
regards,
phil
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Diehard Duck <die...@THELIDuserve.co.uk> wrote:
> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
> That's the only reason.
I don't think USB was supported properly on Win98.
It worked (mostly) but you could sit for hours trying to figure out why a
USB zip drive and a USB scanner wouldn't both work at the same time.
Take the same machine to Win2k and it just worked.
So forget "USB has been available for PC's for ages" because "available"
and "working properly" aren't the same thing.
Brian Carroll
<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
[Snip]
> Of popular podules, I think that mostly leaves network cards,
> TV cards and SCSI cards. ..... TV cards might be an issue,...
Yes, I would want to transfer my Irlam RiscTV card, mainly
because of its use with my camcorder and digicam, and also a
Castle or Power-tec SCSI card. ...
> .... but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the
> mobo IDE i/f in an Iyonix.
... They may be (relatively) slow but necessary to allow me to
continue using several SCSI peripherals.
Brian.
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Dave Symes
Sort of correct. The Win98 SE upgrade sorted a large number of the
original Win98 USB problems.
Dave S
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Stefan Bellon
> I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB [...]
Why not order the 512 MB variant of the Iyonix in the first place?
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Jess
Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor. I'm
> not sure if there are any USB only mice around.
We use lots at work
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Ian Molton
Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I don't think USB was supported properly on Win98.
>
> It worked (mostly) but you could sit for hours trying to figure out
> why a USB zip drive and a USB scanner wouldn't both work at the same
> time.
Grr! dont remind me. I've finally given up battling to get a stupid
win98 box to allow my partners iPaq and M$ intellimouse optical USB to
coexist.
it works, right up until the first full moon^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H time you
reboot after plugging in both devices during a session. then the machine
will never, EVER recognise the mouse EVER again until you format AND
reinstall, not just reinstall.
Gr. a waste of about 10 hours. piece of stinking shit.
Michael Gilbert
night, this rings very true. Not having the CAB file in question on
*any* Win98 CD was a bad start, and driverguide.com had a wide selection
of the wrong bits. Mind you, I don't think the Stella was helping...
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Dave Cooper
wrote:
>
> but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the mobo IDE i/f in
> an Iyonix.
>
>
My only podule card is a SCSI card. The main advantages I see are the easy
transfer of all my files - mainly thousands of jpegs and Compo ones - to a
much larger and faster IDE harddisc. Once I'd transfered around 6gigs of
SCSI stuff those drives would just be used for backup.
Keeping my older SCSI CDRom drives - if only to play audio CDs - freeing up
the CDWriter for other uses.
SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.
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Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor.
> I'm not sure if there are any USB only mice around.
I have one - a logitech.
Ian Molton
epy...@nottingham.ac.uk (Robert Richards) wrote:
>
> No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
> As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
> bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM (and may even
> save you money cos you can sell the old RAM) and removes the problems
> of mixing different RAM modules.
Nice idea, but have you checked the prices?
RAM goes up **sharply** at 512MB, so 1GB modules are insanely expensive,
compared to 4 256MB modules.
IOW, a 1GB PC is within reach, wheras a 1GB Iyonix isnt.
still, I only have 256MB in this PC, and never have a problem (I use
linux only).
Ian Molton
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm
> feeling generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm
> likely to do, but what the hell.
I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?
or does it have a 64 bit internal bus and 32+n external, to play highmem
games with?
Anyone know how big the iyonix physical RAM can be? obviously a maximum
of 3 'whole' gigs, as some space will have to be MMIO space, which begs
the question, does this require that you buy a 4GB DIMM and waste a gig?
Martin Dann
Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:11:33 GMT
> druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm
> > feeling generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm
> > likely to do, but what the hell.
>
> I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?
The hardware can only support up to 1GB.
Did I say ONLY :-)
> Anyone know how big the iyonix physical RAM can be? obviously a maximum
> of 3 'whole' gigs, as some space will have to be MMIO space, which begs
> the question, does this require that you buy a 4GB DIMM and waste a gig?
With a 4GB dimm, you would waste 3GB
Martin.
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Gary Locock
<d...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew
> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID<0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the mobo IDE
> > i/f in an Iyonix.
> >
> > John
> >
> My only podule card is a SCSI card. The main advantages I see are
> the easy transfer of all my files - mainly thousands of jpegs and
> Compo ones - to a much larger and faster IDE harddisc. Once I'd
> transfered around 6gigs of SCSI stuff those drives would just be
> used for backup.
> Keeping my older SCSI CDRom drives - if only to play audio CDs -
> freeing up the CDWriter for other uses.
> SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.
I'm mildly surprised that Castle (of all people) make no mention
of SCSI anywhere in connection with Iyonix... not even a 32bit
upgrade to the Storm podule. (Though of course, drivers for an
ordinary PCI SCSI card would be even more welcome.)
I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of
a machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI
peripherals. I certainly do!
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Ian Molton
Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> Mind you, I don't think the Stella was helping...
You're meant to drink it, not pour it into the PC... (mind you, with
win98, you'd probably need a driver to do that)...
Ian Molton
Martin Dann <Mar...@f451.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?
>
> The hardware can only support up to 1GB.
Rats. whats using the other 3GB of address space, or is there simply a
limited number of address lines on the outside of the chip?
> Did I say ONLY :-)
Yes. which is scary, as I remember 4MB upgrades for Axxx machines
costing upwards of 800ukp ;-)
> With a 4GB dimm, you would waste 3GB
Bummer.
I'd love to hold a 4GB dimm just because. Im not sure I'd dare take it
out of the antistatic wrapper though :)
druck
> druck wrote:
> > I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB [...]
>
> Why not order the 512 MB variant of the Iyonix in the first place?
I didn't have a clue what was going to be in it - as long as it was waiting
for me when I got back from California.
druck
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:36:14 +0000
> Martin Dann <Mar...@f451.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?
> >
> > The hardware can only support up to 1GB.
>
> Rats. whats using the other 3GB of address space, or is there simply a
> limited number of address lines on the outside of the chip?
In the address space you have to have RAM, ROM, and I/O space.
The PCI space takes a huge chunk out of the 4GB.
Ian Molton
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> > Rats. whats using the other 3GB of address space, or is there simply
> > a limited number of address lines on the outside of the chip?
>
> In the address space you have to have RAM, ROM, and I/O space.
> The PCI space takes a huge chunk out of the 4GB.
Yes, I know. I was wondering more along the lines of how the space was
partitioned up.
Michael Gilbert
All down to a PCWorld muppet who sold the owner a USB printer because it
was sheaper than the parallel job.
Jeremy C B Nicoll
Gary Locock <ga...@locock.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of a
> machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI peripherals. I
> certainly do!
Yes, I'd like to see clarification whether existing SCSI podules will
work in such a machine.
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Mr S C Winsor
Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jer...@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b9d3ae...@locock.demon.co.uk>,
> Gary Locock <ga...@locock.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of a
> > machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI peripherals. I
> > certainly do!
> Yes, I'd like to see clarification whether existing SCSI podules will
> work in such a machine.
Well I'd certainly hope they'd support their own at the very least.
I would have thought that as they were providing a podule slot they would
have supported the "standard" cards that people are going to want to use,
otherwise why bother?
Stuart
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Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b9d82e6...@omba.demon.co.uk>,
> Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jer...@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4b9d3ae...@locock.demon.co.uk>,
> > Gary Locock <ga...@locock.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of a
> > > machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI peripherals. I
> > > certainly do!
>
> > Yes, I'd like to see clarification whether existing SCSI podules will
> > work in such a machine.
>
> Well I'd certainly hope they'd support their own at the very least.
>
> I would have thought that as they were providing a podule slot they would
> have supported the "standard" cards that people are going to want to use,
> otherwise why bother?
Way before the Iyonix, I was told by castle support that the Storm was
capable of far faster data transfer than the podule bus allows - I hope
Iyonix allows it.
Dave Cooper
> Gary Locock <ga...@locock.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of a
> > machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI peripherals. I
> > certainly do!
>
> Yes, I'd like to see clarification whether existing SCSI podules will
> work in such a machine.
>
>
from my old discs.
The podule drivers might be updated but it's a low priority as there will
be a PCI (to SCSI) card offered by a third party.
To transfer my stuff - using a newwork connection was suggested - as the
Iynoix has network fitted and (it might) be possible to load a network
card for the older RiscPc for the transfer.
Steven Pampling
> Why not order the 512 MB variant of the Iyonix in the first place?
For those in the developer group I guess it was what they were given - full
stop.
For paying customers at the show today:
128MB - fill in sheet with details, pay and walk out the door.
512MB - fill in same sheet and wait for them to assemble it and then
deliver.
100 quid difference for 384MB more memory that has actually been tested
with the unit, apparently certain memory hasn't behaved 100% but then that
matches my experience in the PeeCee world.(work)
Those who can find trusty suppliers of compliant memory can go the cheap
PeeCee box shifter route I suppose. "Caveat Emptor" or summat like that.
Steven Pampling
<d...@ukgateway.net>
wrote:
[Snip]
> > I don't think USB was supported properly on Win98.
> > It worked (mostly) but you could sit for hours trying to figure out
> > why a USB zip drive and a USB scanner wouldn't both work at the same
> > time.
> > Take the same machine to Win2k and it just worked.
> > So forget "USB has been available for PC's for ages" because
> > "available" and "working properly" aren't the same thing.
> Sort of correct. The Win98 SE upgrade sorted a large number of the
> original Win98 USB problems.
It might cheer people to know that it was a Win98SE setup I was talking
about.
That and the entertainment derived from machines that wouldn't shut down
properly as soon as they had been "upgraded" Win98SE.[1]
When the users have all (finally) changed over to Win2000, with consequent
security restrictions, I might tell people about the BIOS <-> SE clash that
causes this. :-) Then again I might not >:-)
[1]Clean install or not, made no difference for obvious reasons.
Jim Lesurf
> SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.
The SCSI issue is quite important for me. I use a flatbed scanner, a slide
scanner, a Plextor CDRW, a Proteus, and a Nikon slide-scanner. All
currently via a Cumana SCSI2 card. I could not currently justify changing
all these for newer 'USB' versions, and all get used for my work. Hence I
will certainly need to have the ability to connect and use all these items
before I can go ahead and buy Iyonix.
FWIW I also use an Olympus digital camera which has a serial interface, but
not USB. Hence I'd need a suitable adaptor for this as well.
I am looking forwards to buying more than one Iyonix. However this will be
'on hold' until these hardware/firmware issues are sorted.
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Dave Cooper
<jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> FWIW I also use an Olympus digital camera which has a serial interface,
> but
> not USB. Hence I'd need a suitable adaptor for this as well.
>
>
>
The Iyonix has two serial interfaces doesn't it?
druck
> In article <na.fd2ad94b...@argonet.co.uk>, Dave Cooper
> <d...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.
>
> The SCSI issue is quite important for me. I use a flatbed scanner, a slide
> scanner, a Plextor CDRW, a Proteus, and a Nikon slide-scanner. All
> currently via a Cumana SCSI2 card. I could not currently justify changing
> all these for newer 'USB' versions, and all get used for my work. Hence I
> will certainly need to have the ability to connect and use all these items
> before I can go ahead and buy Iyonix.
The price of USB scanners is ridiculously low, so unless you have a brand new
SCSI scanner, you'll find the latest USB ones are far higher resolution and
much quicker.
> FWIW I also use an Olympus digital camera which has a serial interface, but
> not USB. Hence I'd need a suitable adaptor for this as well.
Iyonix has two serial ports.
> I am looking forwards to buying more than one Iyonix. However this will be
> 'on hold' until these hardware/firmware issues are sorted.
If you are waiting for a SCSI card to become available, its not a firmware
issue.
Jim Lesurf
<d...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b9df42...@st-and.demon.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW I also use an Olympus digital camera which has a serial
> > interface, but not USB. Hence I'd need a suitable adaptor for this as
> > well.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> The Iyonix has two serial interfaces doesn't it?
I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB. Hence I assume
I'd have to sort this out. Sounds like the camera may be OK, though. :-)
Patrick Bean
Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
> printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB. Hence I assume
> I'd have to sort this out. Sounds like the camera may be OK, though. :-)
Maybe the sheapest way would be to get a NIC for the Risc PC (10mhz ones
second hand are quite cheap now) and network the risc PC to the Iyonix
with a cross over cable.
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Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> However my current printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet
> one. No USB. Hence I assume I'd have to sort this out.
Well, my lprdriver (available from R-Comp) is working 32-bit, as of
Friday, so that is one way to access printers from the Iyonix.
I've now seen it working (on my own Iyonix :) ).
However, has anyone managed to make the Postscript printing work on an
Iyonix yet? - I'm getting an error reported in squished.SupportPS.
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Robert Richards
> In article <4b9e0b9...@st-and.demon.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
> > printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB. Hence I assume
> > I'd have to sort this out. Sounds like the camera may be OK, though. :-)
>
> Maybe the sheapest way would be to get a NIC for the Risc PC (10mhz ones
> second hand are quite cheap now) and network the risc PC to the Iyonix
> with a cross over cable.
Castle have USB to parallel cables just for this situation. It's an
optional extra on the online order page!
charles.hope
> Jeremy C B Nicoll <Jer...@omba.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4b9d3ae...@locock.demon.co.uk>,
> > Gary Locock <ga...@locock.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of a
> > > machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI peripherals. I
> > > certainly do!
> > Yes, I'd like to see clarification whether existing SCSI podules will
> > work in such a machine.
> Well I'd certainly hope they'd support their own at the very least.
> I would have thought that as they were providing a podule slot they would
> have supported the "standard" cards that people are going to want to use,
> otherwise why bother?
Reason given at Guildford was that podules were comparatively easy and
cheap to build by other users who wanted to make their own interfaces. I
got the impression that there was at least one major customer who would
buy the machines and "customise" them.
Jim Lesurf
> > In article <na.fd2ad94b...@argonet.co.uk>, Dave Cooper
> > <d...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.
> >
> > The SCSI issue is quite important for me. I use a flatbed scanner, a
> > slide scanner, a Plextor CDRW, a Proteus, and a Nikon slide-scanner.
> > All currently via a Cumana SCSI2 card. I could not currently justify
> > changing all these for newer 'USB' versions, and all get used for my
> > work. Hence I will certainly need to have the ability to connect and
> > use all these items before I can go ahead and buy Iyonix.
> The price of USB scanners is ridiculously low, so unless you have a
> brand new SCSI scanner, you'll find the latest USB ones are far higher
> resolution and much quicker.
'Low' is presumably not equal to 'zero'. Please note also that I use a
*set* of scsi hardware devices, so this isn't simply a matter of replacing
one of them. If Castle feel it would be cheaper to sell me a USB flatbed,
*and* a slide scanner, *and* a Proteus, *and* a CDRW that all work as well
as those I have, rather than to sort out the scsi card, then I am eager to
hear from them. :-) Without this, I do not really want to spend extra
cash on replacing items that work fine. I wish for faster/newer RO
hardware, but not if it means I also must instantly replace everything
else. This is partly a matter of cost, but also one of disruption of my
work. I don't use RO machines simply out of enthusiasm, but because they
let me do my work as I prefer. I am hoping that Iyonix will improve this.
>
> > I am looking forwards to buying more than one Iyonix. However this
> > will be 'on hold' until these hardware/firmware issues are sorted.
> If you are waiting for a SCSI card to become available, its not a
> firmware issue.
Not really concerned with any *cause* of the issue, just require it to be
sorted out in order for me to be able to actually use the machine for my
work. ;->
I'd be quite happy to buy a new scsi card for Iyonix, so if one is being
produced that will work with the devices I have, I will be quite happy with
that solution. Seems reasonable enough that I might have to buy a new scsi
interface.
Jim Lesurf
<pdb...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <4b9e0b9...@st-and.demon.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
> > printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB. Hence I
> > assume I'd have to sort this out. Sounds like the camera may be OK,
> > though. :-)
> Maybe the sheapest way would be to get a NIC for the Risc PC (10mhz ones
> second hand are quite cheap now) and network the risc PC to the Iyonix
> with a cross over cable.
This assumes I am willing to run two machines. Afraid there is not room for
this.
Jim Lesurf
<pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <4b9e0b9...@st-and.demon.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > However my current printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one.
> > No USB. Hence I assume I'd have to sort this out.
> Well, my lprdriver (available from R-Comp) is working 32-bit, as of
> Friday, so that is one way to access printers from the Iyonix.
That sounds more interesting. The printer I am using is a QMS 'Color' <sic>
laser. The handbooks tell me it presents itself as a website/ftpsite. Does
this sound as if it would work with your driver? So far I have only used it
via parallel port.
I am now wondering how this would operate when I would also be needing
modem connection via my phone for net access.
> However, has anyone managed to make the Postscript printing work on an
> Iyonix yet? - I'm getting an error reported in squished.SupportPS.
That does not sound so good from my POV since the QMS is PS... :-/
John Pettigrew
> my current printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB.
> Hence I assume I'd have to sort this out.
IIRC, the Iyonix site lets you order a USB-parallel converter for connecting
parallel printers through the USB i/f. Costs about GBP 30 (again, IIRC).
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> <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
> > printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one. No USB. Hence I
> > assume I'd have to sort this out. Sounds like the camera may be OK,
> > though. :-)
> Maybe the sheapest way would be to get a NIC for the Risc PC (10mhz
> ones second hand are quite cheap now) and network the risc PC to the
> Iyonix with a cross over cable.
Or a small hub an use the net connexion on the printer too. Using a
second machine as a print spooler (justifies a pee sea here!) has huge
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Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <66b51a9e...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>, Peter Bell
> <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> > In message <4b9e0b9...@st-and.demon.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> > <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > However my current printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one.
> > > No USB. Hence I assume I'd have to sort this out.
>
> > Well, my lprdriver (available from R-Comp) is working 32-bit, as of
> > Friday, so that is one way to access printers from the Iyonix.
>
> That sounds more interesting. The printer I am using is a QMS 'Color' <sic>
> laser. The handbooks tell me it presents itself as a website/ftpsite. Does
> this sound as if it would work with your driver? So far I have only used it
> via parallel port.
I would hope that the website/ftpsite facilities are additional to
traditional unix/lpr remote printer support. I haven't (yet!) come
across a network-capable printer or print server which doesn't support
lpr.
> I am now wondering how this would operate when I would also be needing
> modem connection via my phone for net access.
You can still use a ppp dialup connection whilst supporting a local
network - it shouldn't be a problem.
> > However, has anyone managed to make the Postscript printing work on an
> > Iyonix yet? - I'm getting an error reported in squished.SupportPS.
>
> That does not sound so good from my POV since the QMS is PS... :-/
Indeed - I am disappointed. Hopefully it is just a straightforward
matter of 32-biting the SupportPS code.
John Pettigrew
> Indeed - I am disappointed. Hopefully it is just a straightforward
> matter of 32-biting the SupportPS code.
Hmmm. High-end machine with no postscript support?
What with this and the other teething problems with the Iyonix, is anyone
else getting the impression that Castle released these machines solely to
beat Microdigital to the punch with the new-product launch?
I'm sure that the production machines will have these small problems sorted
(and will have Aemulor available!) but they seem a little pre-production
quality to me. Which is a shame.
Diehard Duck
that the output was as follows:
> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
>> Indeed - I am disappointed. Hopefully it is just a straightforward
>> matter of 32-biting the SupportPS code.
>
> Hmmm. High-end machine with no postscript support?
>
> What with this and the other teething problems with the Iyonix, is
> anyone else getting the impression that Castle released these
> machines solely to beat Microdigital to the punch with the
> new-product launch?
>
> I'm sure that the production machines will have these small problems
> sorted (and will have Aemulor available!) but they seem a little
> pre-production quality to me. Which is a shame.
Especially considering the price tag!
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John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
Well, how about this ATX case?
Also available in Black, Beige, Orange, Light blue, Silver, White, Yellow
and Pink!
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> Well, how about this ATX case?
Nice.
Expensive, but nice :-)
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Diehard Duck
that the output was as follows:
> John Pettigrew
> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple
>> of questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>>
>> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most
>> uninspired case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not
>> at least have provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean,
>> compare that with the lovely Omega case...
>
> Well, how about this ATX case?
>
>
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X2
92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43209
>
> Also available in Black, Beige, Orange, Light blue, Silver, White,
> Yellow and Pink!
>
> Cheers, Mike.....
It's a bit weird looking!
And that video neglects to show how you connect the IDE cables to the
devices in the front. I bet it's a real pain in the arse, half holding the
back bit up and fighting with short IDE cables ...
Jim Lesurf
<pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <4b9e1cf...@st-and.demon.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > That sounds more interesting. The printer I am using is a QMS 'Color'
> > <sic> laser. The handbooks tell me it presents itself as a
> > website/ftpsite. Does this sound as if it would work with your driver?
> > So far I have only used it via parallel port.
> I would hope that the website/ftpsite facilities are additional to
> traditional unix/lpr remote printer support. I haven't (yet!) come
> across a network-capable printer or print server which doesn't support
> lpr.
OK. Have you used the QMS range? From what you say, it sounds probable that
it would work, but it would be nice to know for sure.
> > > However, has anyone managed to make the Postscript printing work on
> > > an Iyonix yet? - I'm getting an error reported in squished.SupportPS.
> >
> > That does not sound so good from my POV since the QMS is PS... :-/
> Indeed - I am disappointed. Hopefully it is just a straightforward
> matter of 32-biting the SupportPS code.
It would be nice if someone could also come up with a fairly detailed
explanation of how the write/modify the PS driver system. I have looked at
things like colour modification, etc, but was only able to do this by
processing saved files, not via intercepting or altering the actual PS
creation process. At the time I could not find any relevant data covering
this level of the PS driver system.
Michael Hambley
"Diehard Duck" <die...@THELIDuserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Amazingly, Michael Hambley's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
> that the output was as follows:
> > In message <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>
> > John Pettigrew
> > <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> >
[snip]
> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X2
> 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43209
[snip]
> It's a bit weird looking!
>
> And that video neglects to show how you connect the IDE cables to the
> devices in the front. I bet it's a real pain in the arse, half holding the
> back bit up and fighting with short IDE cables ...
>
Have to admit I've not watched the vid. Will have to load Mozilla up on the
Pee Cee and watch it when I'm next online (unless streaming video is
available for RO?
Cheers, Mike.....
P.S.
On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
on RO 4.02.
Ta.
Peter Bell
Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ba77759e...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>, Peter Bell
> <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> > I would hope that the website/ftpsite facilities are additional to
> > traditional unix/lpr remote printer support. I haven't (yet!) come
> > across a network-capable printer or print server which doesn't support
> > lpr.
>
> OK. Have you used the QMS range?
No, I'm afraid not.
> From what you say, it sounds probable that it would work, but it
> would be nice to know for sure.
Indeed.
> It would be nice if someone could also come up with a fairly detailed
> explanation of how the write/modify the PS driver system. I have looked at
> things like colour modification, etc, but was only able to do this by
> processing saved files, not via intercepting or altering the actual PS
> creation process. At the time I could not find any relevant data covering
> this level of the PS driver system.
It would be good to know that someone understood it and was in
control.
Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:die...@THELIDuserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Amazingly, Ian Stocks's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> the output was as follows:
> > wrote in message news:0590fd9...@xl-cambridge.com...
> >> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> >>>
> >>> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> >>> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
> >>
> >> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is
> >> converting a USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would
> >> be needed with an Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to
> >> plug into a USB port. And I don't think I've ever seen something to
> >> do this.
> >
> > Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
> > trick.
> >
>
> Just found this:
>
> http://www.rotronic.co.uk/inter/new.htm
>
> It's on there. About £5 cheaper too :)
Thay tell me that the price there is the bulk trade price!
They have only sell to the trade,
250 GBP minimum order and 8.50 Delivery!
I do hope to stock it or an equivent soon:-)
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John Ferguson
Michael Hambley <mi...@armpowered.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Have to admit I've not watched the vid. Will have to load Mozilla up on the
> Pee Cee and watch it when I'm next online (unless streaming video is
> available for RO?
It's a Flash animation. Browse managed to display it - with the Flash
plug-in of course :-)
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Alan P Dawes
Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I think I was confusing serial and parallel. :-) However my current
> printer has a parallel input
Which is why Castle can supply a USB to parallel adaptor including a
'transparent' driver for Iyonix.
Alan
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On 1 Dec, Jim Lesurf wrote:
: If Castle feel it would be cheaper to sell me a USB flatbed,
: *and* a slide scanner, *and* a Proteus, *and* a CDRW that all work as well
: as those I have, rather than to sort out the scsi card, then I am eager to
: hear from them. :-)
Well, probably not cheaper for *you*, but certainly more
profitable for *them*. You think that might be a motivation? ;)
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> The price of USB scanners is ridiculously low, so unless you have a
> brand new SCSI scanner, you'll find the latest USB ones are far higher
> resolution and much quicker.
I recently bought a new canon scanner quite reasonably. It is fairly well
specked and has a film scanner thrown in too.
It is ok with USB1, but slow. It comes with a "free" USB2 PCI card, for
the PC (IYONIX?). Does the Iyonix support USB2? The USB performance is
much better.
PS All of the figures quote scanning times after the "light calibration"
which the scanner seems to do on every pass! Does any one know how to stop
this, as it extends the scanning time by quiet a lot!
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The Doctor
Michael Hambley <mi...@armpowered.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <asfgas$62m$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>
> "Diehard Duck" <die...@THELIDuserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Amazingly, Michael Hambley's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
> > that the output was as follows:
> > > In message <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>
> > > John Pettigrew
> > > <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> > >
>
> [snip]
>
> > http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X2
> > 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43209
>
> [snip]
>
> > It's a bit weird looking!
> >
> > And that video neglects to show how you connect the IDE cables to the
> > devices in the front. I bet it's a real pain in the arse, half holding the
> > back bit up and fighting with short IDE cables ...
> >
>
> Have to admit I've not watched the vid. Will have to load Mozilla up on the
> Pee Cee and watch it when I'm next online (unless streaming video is
> available for RO?
>
No need.
It's basic Flash. Oregano, WXL and Internal error (sorry, Fresco) can
all play it.
> On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
> have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
> creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
> markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
> on RO 4.02.
>
I believe this is one of the many things that Textease can do.
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <66b51a9e...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>, Peter Bell
> <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> > In message <4b9e0b9...@st-and.demon.co.uk> Jim Lesurf
> > <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > However my current printer has a parallel input, and an ethernet one.
> > > No USB. Hence I assume I'd have to sort this out.
>
> > Well, my lprdriver (available from R-Comp) is working 32-bit, as of
> > Friday, so that is one way to access printers from the Iyonix.
>
> That sounds more interesting. The printer I am using is a QMS 'Color' <sic>
> laser. The handbooks tell me it presents itself as a website/ftpsite. Does
> this sound as if it would work with your driver? So far I have only used it
> via parallel port.
It depends on which QMS it is. If it's got PostScript, then it has lpr.
If it has a TCP/IP configuration tool, it might well have lpr.
Unfortunately, it might also still be a GDI box, in which case UniPrint
from RComp is the right solution.
>
> I am now wondering how this would operate when I would also be needing
> modem connection via my phone for net access.
>
> > However, has anyone managed to make the Postscript printing work on an
> > Iyonix yet? - I'm getting an error reported in squished.SupportPS.
>
> That does not sound so good from my POV since the QMS is PS... :-/
>
Oh, look, it has (:-) Which QMS is it? As far as it goes, once you've
set the IP address, you should be able to print to it using Peter's lpr
client (as packaged by RComp), via a standard RISC OS PostScript driver
with no problem.
Except that QMS's printers are among the worst I've ever had to support.
They might have got better as the Minolta takeover has rolled through,
but they lost our custom when we had a)50% fail rates on supplied
devices and b) 100% non-fulfilment on response or repair times on
on-site warranties. For completeness' sakes c) was their persistence in
sending me junkmail with every line in the address misspelt.
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Andrew Pullan
> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect
> to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to
> convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise,
Yes. I've just bought such a box from Maplin, "USB to PS2 adapter". (I had
the same thought!)
However dont bother buying one as the Iyonix doesn't suport it :-(
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alan.calder
<mi...@armpowered.co.uk> wrote:
> On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software,
> don't have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a
> poster creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut
> and glue markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC)
> doesn't work for me on RO 4.02.
Curious. My version of !Poster (1.66) from 1993 works just fine, though
it does complain about being unable to create a page picture for the print
dialogue but then goes ahead perfectly happily. Just tried it to check.
Another solution would be Artworks which can also do tiled printing.
Cheers
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
> P.S.
>
> On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
> have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
> creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
> markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
> on RO 4.02.
Art Works?
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Harriet Bazley
Michael Hambley wrote:
> On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
> have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
> creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
> markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
> on RO 4.02.
>
Mrs Miskin's SplitDraw will do the splitting-up bit for any drawfile.
I doubt it does cut and glue markers, though.
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druck
<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
>> Indeed - I am disappointed. Hopefully it is just a straightforward matter
>> of 32-biting the SupportPS code.
>
> Hmmm. High-end machine with no postscript support?
>
> What with this and the other teething problems with the Iyonix, is anyone
> else getting the impression that Castle released these machines solely to
> beat Microdigital to the punch with the new-product launch?
No, Castle told me when they would be launching back in August and they've
stuck to it. At the time MicroDigital had sworn that Omega would be launched
in September and its now December.
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Sebastian Weinberg
On 2 Dec, druck wrote:
: On 2 Dec 2002 John Pettigrew
: <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
: >
: > Hmmm. High-end machine with no postscript support?
: >
: > What with this and the other teething problems with the Iyonix, is anyone
: > else getting the impression that Castle released these machines solely to
: > beat Microdigital to the punch with the new-product launch?
I'm not sure whether that's true, but when the Omega production
announcement came, I expected Castle to announce that the Iyonix
goes on sale within the week - and they did. :)
: No, Castle told me when they would be launching back in August and they've
: stuck to it. At the time MicroDigital had sworn that Omega would be launched
: in September and its now December.
Well, I don't know which is worse - a company who keeps breaking
their announced deadlines for one re-design after another, or a
company who keeps to a launch date at the price of pushing out an
unfinished product.
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Hedley Hunnisett
> On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software,
> don't have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest
> a poster creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4
> giving cut and glue markers) as the one I used many moons ago
> (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me on RO 4.02.
Bright Ideas in 1992 but still works fine. Strangely, there is no
contact information on the disc nor in the 5-page User Guide.
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:har...@bazley.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2002 as I do recall,
> Michael Hambley wrote:
>
>
> > On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
> > have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
> > creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
> > markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
> > on RO 4.02.
> >
> Mrs Miskin's SplitDraw will do the splitting-up bit for any drawfile.
> I doubt it does cut and glue markers, though.
>
Sorry, missed the original post. Textease does this and always has, with
fully definable page sizes and with no trouble at all.
Diehard Duck
away that the output was as follows:
>
> On 2 Dec, druck wrote:
>
>> On 2 Dec 2002 John Pettigrew
>> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. High-end machine with no postscript support?
>>>
>>> What with this and the other teething problems with the Iyonix, is
>>> anyone else getting the impression that Castle released these
>>> machines solely to beat Microdigital to the punch with the
>>> new-product launch?
>
> I'm not sure whether that's true, but when the Omega production
> announcement came, I expected Castle to announce that the Iyonix
> goes on sale within the week - and they did. :)
>
>
>> No, Castle told me when they would be launching back in August and
>> they've stuck to it. At the time MicroDigital had sworn that Omega
>> would be launched in September and its now December.
>
> Well, I don't know which is worse - a company who keeps breaking
> their announced deadlines for one re-design after another, or a
> company who keeps to a launch date at the price of pushing out an
> unfinished product.
>
In my book, the latter is far worse, as in most markets it would cause poor
reputation and would affect sales. The thing is, the RISC OS market are so
desperate for a new machine, most people don't give a shit!
David Atkins
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
Hello David,
Sorry to have to correct you on this one, it has been company policy for at
least the last six months not to give estimated launch dates, I am sure that
all the people who attended our Omega demonstrations would agree with this
statement.
It's one thing to give an opinion, but putting words into peoples mouths is
stepping over the limit. As for your own comment, we have no idea what you
were told or by whom - the market can only judge that which is public knowledge.
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Harriet Bazley <har...@bazley.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2002 as I do recall,
> Michael Hambley wrote:
>
>
> > On an s/ware related issue (I'm not a subscriber to c.s.a.software, don't
> > have enough time to read the groups I am!) can any one suggest a poster
> > creation util. (one that prints a large poster onto A4 giving cut and glue
> > markers) as the one I used many moons ago (!Poster IIRC) doesn't work for me
> > on RO 4.02.
> >
> Mrs Miskin's SplitDraw will do the splitting-up bit for any drawfile.
> I doubt it does cut and glue markers, though.
ArtWorks supports tiled printing and adds cut and glue markers. I have
used it to print rather big posters (up to 2.5m wide).
Martin
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Mike Glover
da...@microdigital.co.uk wrote on 3/12/02 10:45 AM:
> Sorry to have to correct you on this one, it has been company policy for at
> least the last six months not to give estimated launch dates, I am sure that
> all the people who attended our Omega demonstrations would agree with this
> statement.
>
> It's one thing to give an opinion, but putting words into peoples mouths is
> stepping over the limit. As for your own comment, we have no idea what you
> were told or by whom - the market can only judge that which is public
> knowledge.
This is what it says on the Microdigital site dated 26 November:
"We should be shipping very soon, with machines on their way in time for
Christmas 2002. I sincerely hope this is the case because we can hardly move
for boxes!"
Someone seems to be unaware of company policy:-)
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