PRIVACY A THING OF THE PAST!
Ted McMillan
scriptures naturally says in response to another poster:
"Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<f_3o7.11803$yJ1.6...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <6a5bd9f7.01091...@posting.google.com>, swi...@my-deja.com (Susan Williams) wrote:
> > Now that we are in this terrorist attack on America that toppled the
> > World Trade Centers, what will happen to Privacy?
>
> What privacy? We haven't had privacy for several years.
>
> Privacy is outdated, obsolete. Welcome to the Information Age.
> Ted
Well thank you! That's why the government was able to detect the
longest terrorist act to plan and implement which leveled the World
Trade Center! Since privacy is gone we ourselves do maintain that
they had to have known!
British intelligence are even mystified that such a plot being the
longest to plan was completely missed with all the sophisticated and
intrusive devices they illegally have in place already!
And if Seeber is not ridiculous, why did he tell us that the age of
privacy is over after and while the national leaders are beginning us
to give them up?
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
Theodore M. Seeber
> Ted Seeber: the man who defended religious persecution using the
> scriptures naturally says in response to another poster:
>
> > Ted
>
> Well thank you! That's why the government was able to detect the
> longest terrorist act to plan and implement which leveled the World
> Trade Center! Since privacy is gone we ourselves do maintain that
> they had to have known!
Except for the fact that the government still believes in privacy, and thus forced themselves not to know.
> British intelligence are even mystified that such a plot being the
> longest to plan was completely missed with all the sophisticated and
> intrusive devices they illegally have in place already!
So what? None of those intrusive divices can evesdrop on thoughts as of yet (though you would have thought that they would have noticed several flying school students who were not interested in taking off and landing!)
> And if Seeber is not ridiculous, why did he tell us that the age of
> privacy is over after and while the national leaders are beginning us
> to give them up?
The national leaders are 20 years behind the times, just as you are 100 years behind.
Just as bin Laden is 100 years behind as well.
But the modern world will show you something soon.
Ted
--
Family Websites: http:/seeberfamily.org
"Never start a fight. But if someone starts a fight with you, finish it and win"- Capt. John Sheridan, Babylon 5
Ted McMillan
> Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> > Ted Seeber: the man who defended religious persecution using the
> > scriptures naturally says in response to another poster:
> >
> > > Privacy is outdated, obsolete. Welcome to the Information Age.
> > > Ted
> >
> > Well thank you! That's why the government was able to detect the
> > longest terrorist act to plan and implement which leveled the World
> > Trade Center! Since privacy is gone we ourselves do maintain that
> > they had to have known!
>
> Except for the fact that the government still believes in privacy, and thus forced themselves not to know.
>
All the intrusive devices are proof that the government believes in
privacy and forced themselves not to know? Who doesn't know that the
device called "Carnivore" which is able to read more than every email
AND ARCHIVE THEM has been in operation? If the government forced
itself not to know it would have been content to only put surveillance
on suspicious accounts and not enrich its abilities to read AND
ARCHIVE all. That's the way it was done ever since UNTIL RECENTLY.
Still, British Intelligence noted that the US was very successful in
catching terrorists that planned in a much shorter space of time and
are mystified that they didn't catch this one some five years in the
making.
> > British intelligence are even mystified that such a plot being the
> > longest to plan was completely missed with all the sophisticated and
> > intrusive devices they illegally have in place already!
>
> So what? None of those intrusive divices can evesdrop on thoughts as of yet (though you would have thought that they would have noticed several flying school students who were not interested in taking off and landing!)
>
Five years folks! UNBELIEVABLE! And yet the government was able to
catch others that took a great deal less time to create!
> > And if Seeber is not ridiculous, why did he tell us that the age of
> > privacy is over after and while the national leaders are beginning us
> > to give them up?
>
> The national leaders are 20 years behind the times, just as you are 100 years behind.
>
But I believe in liberty! I didn't say that the story of Ananias and
Sapphira proves that the scriptures justify religious persecution. So
someone is even centuries MORE behind.
> Just as bin Laden is 100 years behind as well.
>
> But the modern world will show you something soon.
> Ted
The modern Seeber world is indeed going to show me something. She
will show me something scripture already has. But after that,
scripture will show all of Satan's children something they will never
forget!
Theodore M. Seeber
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<eLyp7.118077$sC4.3...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
> >
>
> All the intrusive devices are proof that the government believes in
> privacy and forced themselves not to know?
There are no "intrusive devices"
>Who doesn't know that the
> device called "Carnivore" which is able to read more than every email
> AND ARCHIVE THEM has been in operation?
And who hasn't read the warning on EVERY ISP, on EVERY Fidonet BBS, that E-mail IS NOT PRIVATE AND NEVER HAS BEEN?
The anti-Ted, apparently, who is too stupid to read such warnings.
> If the government forced
> itself not to know it would have been content to only put surveillance
> on suspicious accounts and not enrich its abilities to read AND
> ARCHIVE all.
Yeah, right. Do you know how much bandwidth e-mail and Usenet USE? They're not archivable with current technology, heck, they're not even archiveable with long term future technology. You need the pentabyte memory before that happens, and we're barely at terabyte storage capability now in the research labs (and that won't be available to governments for at least another 2 years).
>That's the way it was done ever since UNTIL RECENTLY.
>
> Still, British Intelligence noted that the US was very successful in
> catching terrorists that planned in a much shorter space of time and
> are mystified that they didn't catch this one some five years in the
> making.
Maybe because NOTHING that these terrorists did was actually illegal?
Maybe because unlike you, these terrorists aren't stupid enough to use land-line, unscrambled phones and unencrypted e-mail?
> > So what? None of those intrusive divices can evesdrop on thoughts as of yet (though you would have > >thought that they would have noticed several flying school students who were not interested in taking off and > >landing!)
>
> Five years folks! UNBELIEVABLE! And yet the government was able to
> catch others that took a great deal less time to create!
That's because those others actually did something illegal.
> > The national leaders are 20 years behind the times, just as you are 100 years behind.
>
> But I believe in liberty!
And instead, support those who would destroy liberty.
> I didn't say that the story of Ananias and
> Sapphira proves that the scriptures justify religious persecution. So
> someone is even centuries MORE behind.
Or ahead. We've never tried the Apostolic Ecconomy on a nationwide scale.
> > Just as bin Laden is 100 years behind as well.
> >
> > But the modern world will show you something soon.
> > Ted
>
> The modern Seeber world is indeed going to show me something. She
> will show me something scripture already has. But after that,
> scripture will show all of Satan's children something they will never
> forget!
Or maybe, it's the modern world that is God's children, and you, like your terrorist idol bin Laden, are Satan's children.
Guess we'll find out real quick. 48 hours to the attack of Afghanistan.
Ted McMillan
> Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> > "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<eLyp7.118077$sC4.3...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
> > > Except for the fact that the government still believes in privacy, and thus forced themselves not to know.
> > >
> >
> > All the intrusive devices are proof that the government believes in
> > privacy and forced themselves not to know?
>
> There are no "intrusive devices"
>
mind like Lamarr shows a difference of operation here.
> >Who doesn't know that the
> > device called "Carnivore" which is able to read more than every email
> > AND ARCHIVE THEM has been in operation?
>
> And who hasn't read the warning on EVERY ISP, on EVERY Fidonet BBS, that E-mail IS NOT PRIVATE AND NEVER HAS BEEN?
> The anti-Ted, apparently, who is too stupid to read such warnings.
>
Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
be a fact that snail mail is also not private? And if someone on the
newsgroups tells us that liberty only causes schism, would he be happy
if his email and snail mail were flagged as they should be?
> > If the government forced
> > itself not to know it would have been content to only put surveillance
> > on suspicious accounts and not enrich its abilities to read AND
> > ARCHIVE all.
>
> Yeah, right. Do you know how much bandwidth e-mail and Usenet USE? They're not archivable with current technology, heck, they're not even archiveable with long term future technology. You need the pentabyte memory before that happens, and we're barely at terabyte storage capability now in the research labs (and that won't be available to governments for at least another 2 years).
Ted Mac: The government can send devices into space but cannot
archive emails? They have phone records that archive for quite a
while!
>
> >That's the way it was done ever since UNTIL RECENTLY.
> >
> > Still, British Intelligence noted that the US was very successful in
> > catching terrorists that planned in a much shorter space of time and
> > are mystified that they didn't catch this one some five years in the
> > making.
>
> Maybe because NOTHING that these terrorists did was actually illegal?
> Maybe because unlike you, these terrorists aren't stupid enough to use land-line, unscrambled phones and unencrypted e-mail?
like all other terrorists before them who plotted for a lot less time
and were caught!
And I believe in liberty. I am not stupid nor damned!
> > > So what? None of those intrusive divices can evesdrop on thoughts as of yet (though you would have > >thought that they would have noticed several flying school students who were not interested in taking off and > >landing!)
> >
> > Five years folks! UNBELIEVABLE! And yet the government was able to
> > catch others that took a great deal less time to create!
>
> That's because those others actually did something illegal.
>
Let terrorists then enter upon long term terrorist maneuvers. That
way, they will never do anything illegal. When you plan an attack for
three months, you are bound to do something illegal!
> > > The national leaders are 20 years behind the times, just as you are 100 years behind.
> >
> > But I believe in liberty!
>
> And instead, support those who would destroy liberty.
>
A damned despot is the one who said that. I never said that nor gave
a hint of that. Leave it to someone who would tell us that liberty
will only cause schism. People such as that have been known to
destroy the lives of whole communities!
> > I didn't say that the story of Ananias and
> > Sapphira proves that the scriptures justify religious persecution. So
> > someone is even centuries MORE behind.
>
> Or ahead. We've never tried the Apostolic Ecconomy on a nationwide scale.
>
I have heard that liberty is a dangerous thing not from ahead, for the
future hasn't come yet. I heard that voice for almost 2,000 years.
The result was the most horrible bloodshed where the murderers are now
everywhere telling us about the dynamics of love and hate and worrying
about plagiarism.
> > > Just as bin Laden is 100 years behind as well.
> > >
> > > But the modern world will show you something soon.
> > > Ted
> >
> > The modern Seeber world is indeed going to show me something. She
> > will show me something scripture already has. But after that,
> > scripture will show all of Satan's children something they will never
> > forget!
>
> Or maybe, it's the modern world that is God's children, and you, like your terrorist idol bin Laden, are Satan's children.
>
It is a damned despot who said that. I never said that Bin Laden is
my idol. And the scriptures tell us that Satan will deceive the
"whole world." It says in Rev. 13 that "All the world wondered after
the beast" and worshipped him. So I don't know about this whole world
that's going to be God's children. And if even that is the case,
Seeber still is damned for the whole world doesn't tell us that
liberty only causes schism. Seeber is just hiding his true colors
until authorities can put guns to the heads of the people and give
them more of a reason to believe this.
> Guess we'll find out real quick. 48 hours to the attack of Afghanistan.
> Ted
True. It will take alot longer before God shed His bombs against all
globalists. Every murderous dictator; every figure throughout the
long ages who have caused death and misery worked out to be
globalists!
Theodore M. Seeber
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<_4Up7.3575$WW5.1...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
> > Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> > > "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<eLyp7.118077$sC4.3...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
> > > > Except for the fact that the government still believes in privacy, and thus forced themselves not to know.
> > > >
> > >
> > > All the intrusive devices are proof that the government believes in
> > > privacy and forced themselves not to know?
> >
> > There are no "intrusive devices"
> >
> Facts? Dates? Documentation? Someone here with the same Dark Ages
> mind like Lamarr shows a difference of operation here.
The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
> > >Who doesn't know that the
> > > device called "Carnivore" which is able to read more than every email
> > > AND ARCHIVE THEM has been in operation?
> >
> > And who hasn't read the warning on EVERY ISP, on EVERY Fidonet BBS, that E-mail IS NOT PRIVATE AND > > NEVER HAS BEEN?
> > The anti-Ted, apparently, who is too stupid to read such warnings.
>
> Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
> can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
> be a fact that snail mail is also not private?
Let's see. You GIVE a hard copy to a government agency to send to someplace, and you expect what's in that hard copy to be private?
Reality is just something that happens to other people for you, isn't it?
>And if someone on the
> newsgroups tells us that liberty only causes schism, would he be happy
> if his email and snail mail were flagged as they should be?
Yes, in fact, I'd expect them to be. I've got no problem standing behind what I write. Why do you have a problem standing behind what you write?
> > Yeah, right. Do you know how much bandwidth e-mail and Usenet USE? They're not archivable with current > >technology, heck, they're not even archiveable with long term future technology. You need the pentabyte > >memory before that happens, and we're barely at terabyte storage capability now in the research labs (and > >that won't be available to governments for at least another 2 years).
>
> Ted Mac: The government can send devices into space but cannot
> archive emails?
The Voyager spacecraft required only a TI-99/4A with 32k of memory and a cassette storage to navigate beyond Neptune. Archiving e-mail is a much larger task. You really don't know very much about how modern technology works, do you?
>They have phone records that archive for quite a
> while!
At which point, they have to erase the records so that they can reuse the archival material.
> > Maybe because NOTHING that these terrorists did was actually illegal?
> > Maybe because unlike you, these terrorists aren't stupid enough to use land-line, unscrambled phones and > > unencrypted e-mail?
>
> like all other terrorists before them who plotted for a lot less time
> and were caught!
And were stupid enough to use land-line, unscrambled phones, and unencrypted e-mail.
> And I believe in liberty. I am not stupid nor damned!
From your remarks in this usenet post, you could have fooled me.
You actually think it takes less computer memory to send a probe into space than to archive a 30-second phone conversation!
You think that you should be able to send a letter through the US Postal Service and be guaranteed privacy!
You think you can use a world-wide network built by the US military and that you should be safe from prying eyes while using US Government Property.
Yeah, Stupid and Damned, good description of the Anti-Ted.
> > > > So what? None of those intrusive divices can evesdrop on thoughts as of yet (though you would have > > > > >thought that they would have noticed several flying school students who were not interested in taking off > > > >and > >landing!)
> > >
> > > Five years folks! UNBELIEVABLE! And yet the government was able to
> > > catch others that took a great deal less time to create!
> >
> > That's because those others actually did something illegal.
>
> Let terrorists then enter upon long term terrorist maneuvers. That
> way, they will never do anything illegal. When you plan an attack for
> three months, you are bound to do something illegal!
Not neccessarily. Taking flying lessons is not illegal. Entering this country over the Canadian Border is not illegal. Using cell phones is not illegal. Going to strip clubs is not illegal. Heck, until September 12th, taking box cutters on a plane was NOT ILLEGAL.
Clear up until the time of the hijackings, NOTHING these terrorists did was illegal.
> > > > The national leaders are 20 years behind the times, just as you are 100 years behind.
> > >
> > > But I believe in liberty!
> >
> > And instead, support those who would destroy liberty.
>
> A damned despot is the one who said that.
Then you are a damned despot, for supporting privacy over liberty.
>I never said that nor gave
> a hint of that.
Aid and comfort to the enemy, is what you said and did.
> Leave it to someone who would tell us that liberty
> will only cause schism. People such as that have been known to
> destroy the lives of whole communities!
And have also been known to BUILD communities.
> > > I didn't say that the story of Ananias and
> > > Sapphira proves that the scriptures justify religious persecution. So
> > > someone is even centuries MORE behind.
> >
> > Or ahead. We've never tried the Apostolic Ecconomy on a nationwide scale.
>
> I have heard that liberty is a dangerous thing not from ahead, for the
> future hasn't come yet.
So? You think we should be working for the past?
> I heard that voice for almost 2,000 years.
Really, you must be very old then.
> The result was the most horrible bloodshed where the murderers are now
> everywhere telling us about the dynamics of love and hate and worrying
> about plagiarism.
No, the result was that we found out that privacy is not a luxury we can afford just yet.
> > Or maybe, it's the modern world that is God's children, and you, like your terrorist idol bin Laden, are Satan's > >children.
>
> It is a damned despot who said that. I never said that Bin Laden is
> my idol.
Nope, you just proved it when you claimed that privacy was more important than stopping bin Laden.
> And the scriptures tell us that Satan will deceive the
> "whole world." It says in Rev. 13 that "All the world wondered after
> the beast" and worshipped him. So I don't know about this whole world
> that's going to be God's children. And if even that is the case,
> Seeber still is damned for the whole world doesn't tell us that
> liberty only causes schism. Seeber is just hiding his true colors
> until authorities can put guns to the heads of the people and give
> them more of a reason to believe this.
Satan has most certainly decieved the Anti-Ted, who has decided to worship privacy and liberty instead of God.
> > Guess we'll find out real quick. 48 hours to the attack of Afghanistan.
> > Ted
>
> True. It will take alot longer before God shed His bombs against all
> globalists. Every murderous dictator; every figure throughout the
> long ages who have caused death and misery worked out to be
> globalists!
24 hours left until the attack of Afghanistan. If the globalists win this one (and most assuredly, they will) will you then call the globalists the children of God?
Ted McMillan
<see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<_4Up7.3575$WW5.1...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
>> > Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>> > > "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<eLyp7.118077$sC4.3...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
>> > > > Except for the fact that the government still believes in privacy, and thus forced themselves not to know.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > All the intrusive devices are proof that the government believes in
>> > > privacy and forced themselves not to know?
>> >
>> > There are no "intrusive devices"
>> >
>> Facts? Dates? Documentation? Someone here with the same Dark Ages
>> mind like Lamarr shows a difference of operation here.
>
>The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
>just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
>
So credible witnessess are those who tell us that liberty is useless
and only causes schism like you did? What credible witnessess told us
that enough paranoia exists in people to cause those credible
witnesses to waste sleep posting so often against it? Is it possible
that traitors can be very paranoid about other people being paranoid?
>> > >Who doesn't know that the
>> > > device called "Carnivore" which is able to read more than every email
>> > > AND ARCHIVE THEM has been in operation?
>> >
>> > And who hasn't read the warning on EVERY ISP, on EVERY Fidonet BBS, that E-mail IS NOT PRIVATE AND > > NEVER HAS BEEN?
>> > The anti-Ted, apparently, who is too stupid to read such warnings.
>>
>> Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
>> can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
>> be a fact that snail mail is also not private?
>
>Let's see. You GIVE a hard copy to a government agency to send to someplace, and you expect what's in that hard copy to be private?
>Reality is just something that happens to other people for you, isn't it?
>
If I sent a hard copy to a government of my emails, I would not expect
it to be private.
>>And if someone on the
>> newsgroups tells us that liberty only causes schism, would he be happy
>> if his email and snail mail were flagged as they should be?
>
>Yes, in fact, I'd expect them to be. I've got no problem standing behind what I write. Why do you have a problem standing behind what you write?
>
Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
nor writing anything that's illegal. I say the government has no
right to read my snail mail, and then it has no right to read my
email. The issue is not being a criminal. When you give a government
that is right now being transformed into a tyrannical copy of the
Pope's dominion, being a good citizen will not be an issue for you in
the future. The new government will make rules that will force any
bible believing Christian to become an outlaw. When that time comes,
all will see that overnight many will be transformed into criminals.
The Disciples were criminals and outlaws brethren!
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
Theodore M. Seeber
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:49:26 GMT, "Theodore M. Seeber"
> <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>
> >Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> >The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
> >just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
>
> So credible witnessess are those who tell us that liberty is useless
> and only causes schism like you did?
That's an opinion, not a fact.
> What credible witnessess told us
> that enough paranoia exists in people to cause those credible
> witnesses to waste sleep posting so often against it? Is it possible
> that traitors can be very paranoid about other people being paranoid?
Apparently, you seem to be.
> >> Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
> >> can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
> >> be a fact that snail mail is also not private?
> >
> >Let's see. You GIVE a hard copy to a government agency to send to someplace, and you expect what's in that > >hard copy to be private?
> >Reality is just something that happens to other people for you, isn't it?
>
> If I sent a hard copy to a government of my emails, I would not expect
> it to be private.
And yet, that's exactly the sort of thing you're doing every single time you use the United States Postal Service.
Boy, you've really lost it.
Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
> >Yes, in fact, I'd expect them to be. I've got no problem standing behind what I write. Why do you have a > >problem standing behind what you write?
>
> Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
> nor writing anything that's illegal.
And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
> I say the government has no
> right to read my snail mail, and then it has no right to read my
> email. The issue is not being a criminal. When you give a government
> that is right now being transformed into a tyrannical copy of the
> Pope's dominion, being a good citizen will not be an issue for you in
> the future. The new government will make rules that will force any
> bible believing Christian to become an outlaw. When that time comes,
> all will see that overnight many will be transformed into criminals.
> The Disciples were criminals and outlaws brethren!
And paranoia strikes again, taking over The Anti-Ted's brain, and making him into a stupid idiot.
For the last time, all of this is currently impossible not only by the laws of the United States, but by Roman Canon Law as well.
It would help if you'd read something other than paranoid right-wing Constitutional Christians sometime.
Ted McMillan
<see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <2m0oqtgj7un04mmo3...@4ax.com>, Ted McMillan <tmac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:49:26 GMT, "Theodore M. Seeber"
>> <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>> >The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
>> >just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
>>
>> So credible witnessess are those who tell us that liberty is useless
>> and only causes schism like you did?
>
>That's an opinion, not a fact.
>
It was state as a fact by the person in question. When we tell even
honest Catholics that Dark Ages Catholics are all around us, the Dark
Ages Catholics tell us that we must hate Catholics. How therefore can
Seeber confirm our words by telling us that liberty is useless?
>> What credible witnessess told us
>> that enough paranoia exists in people to cause those credible
>> witnesses to waste sleep posting so often against it? Is it possible
>> that traitors can be very paranoid about other people being paranoid?
>
>Apparently, you seem to be.
>
A deceive is also one who tells us how I "seem to be" after he and the
others make it a point to tell the world how we definitely are without
any allowance for disagreement.
>> >> Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
>> >> can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
>> >> be a fact that snail mail is also not private?
>> >
>> >Let's see. You GIVE a hard copy to a government agency to send to someplace, and you expect what's in that > >hard copy to be private?
>> >Reality is just something that happens to other people for you, isn't it?
>>
>> If I sent a hard copy to a government of my emails, I would not expect
>> it to be private.
>
>And yet, that's exactly the sort of thing you're doing every single time you use the United States Postal Service.
>Boy, you've really lost it.
Dear Readers. If you send a letter through the mail, did you give a
hard copy to the post office for them to read? Well then Seeber tells
me that I've lost it, and I can only tell him that I'm proud.
NO the post office is not to read my mail. Seeber won't allow people
to read his. If he does, he is not only murderous, but he is STUPID!
>Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
>
I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant country
and it was wrought through their labors.
>> >Yes, in fact, I'd expect them to be. I've got no problem standing behind what I write. Why do you have a > >problem standing behind what you write?
>>
>> Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
>> nor writing anything that's illegal.
>
>And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
>
How can Seeber worry about an advancing tyrannical power when he
himself is tyrannical, but is only hiding his true colors right now
because he has no choice? He told us that liberty is useless and that
it only causes schism.
>> I say the government has no
>> right to read my snail mail, and then it has no right to read my
>> email. The issue is not being a criminal. When you give a government
>> that is right now being transformed into a tyrannical copy of the
>> Pope's dominion, being a good citizen will not be an issue for you in
>> the future. The new government will make rules that will force any
>> bible believing Christian to become an outlaw. When that time comes,
>> all will see that overnight many will be transformed into criminals.
>> The Disciples were criminals and outlaws brethren!
>
>And paranoia strikes again, taking over The Anti-Ted's brain, and making him into a stupid idiot.
>
Tyranny is also manifested when someone like Seeber tells me I have
the liberty to express my convictions and then starts with the usual
Vaticna paranoia campaign that missed the United States government
arresting two kindergarteners for making terrorist threats using paper
guns!
I am proud to be a stupid idiot so long as I know that liberty IS NOT
USELESS. But a hater of liberty by the name of Seeber should not be
granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
against hiimself and his church.
>For the last time, all of this is currently impossible not only by the laws of the United States, but by Roman Canon Law as well.
>
>It would help if you'd read something other than paranoid right-wing Constitutional Christians sometime.
>Ted
But how can we protect ourselves from the despots? I rather read
material that tells me the value of liberty instead of telling me that
it is dangerous or useless.
But still we know that this despot by the name of Seeber is lying to
us. If he and his fellow agents of the Antichrist were really against
paranoia, the government could not have arrested those
kindergarteners, and she would not constantly be asking the American
people to give up their rights due to terrorists they claim to find
"under every leaf."
Ted McMillan
<see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <2m0oqtgj7un04mmo3...@4ax.com>, Ted McMillan <tmac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:49:26 GMT, "Theodore M. Seeber"
>> <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>> >The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
>> >just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
>>
>> So credible witnessess are those who tell us that liberty is useless
>> and only causes schism like you did?
>
>That's an opinion, not a fact.
>
It was state as a fact by the person in question. When we tell even
honest Catholics that Dark Ages Catholics are all around us, the Dark
Ages Catholics tell us that we must hate Catholics. How therefore can
Seeber confirm our words by telling us that liberty is useless?
>> What credible witnessess told us
>> that enough paranoia exists in people to cause those credible
>> witnesses to waste sleep posting so often against it? Is it possible
>> that traitors can be very paranoid about other people being paranoid?
>
>Apparently, you seem to be.
>
A deceive is also one who tells us how I "seem to be" after he and the
others make it a point to tell the world how we definitely are without
any allowance for disagreement.
>> >> Coming from someone who has told us that liberty only causes schism, I
>> >> can see why someone would be happy about such a situation. Why not it
>> >> be a fact that snail mail is also not private?
>> >
>> >Let's see. You GIVE a hard copy to a government agency to send to someplace, and you expect what's in that > >hard copy to be private?
>> >Reality is just something that happens to other people for you, isn't it?
>>
>> If I sent a hard copy to a government of my emails, I would not expect
>> it to be private.
>
>And yet, that's exactly the sort of thing you're doing every single time you use the United States Postal Service.
>Boy, you've really lost it.
Dear Readers. If you send a letter through the mail, did you give a
hard copy to the post office for them to read? Well then Seeber tells
me that I've lost it, and I can only tell him that I'm proud.
NO the post office is not to read my mail. Seeber won't allow people
to read his. If he does, he is not only murderous, but he is STUPID!
>Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
>
I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant country
and it was wrought through their labors.
>> >Yes, in fact, I'd expect them to be. I've got no problem standing behind what I write. Why do you have a > >problem standing behind what you write?
>>
>> Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
>> nor writing anything that's illegal.
>
>And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
>
How can Seeber worry about an advancing tyrannical power when he
himself is tyrannical, but is only hiding his true colors right now
because he has no choice? He told us that liberty is useless and that
it only causes schism.
>> I say the government has no
>> right to read my snail mail, and then it has no right to read my
>> email. The issue is not being a criminal. When you give a government
>> that is right now being transformed into a tyrannical copy of the
>> Pope's dominion, being a good citizen will not be an issue for you in
>> the future. The new government will make rules that will force any
>> bible believing Christian to become an outlaw. When that time comes,
>> all will see that overnight many will be transformed into criminals.
>> The Disciples were criminals and outlaws brethren!
>
>And paranoia strikes again, taking over The Anti-Ted's brain, and making him into a stupid idiot.
>
Tyranny is also manifested when someone like Seeber tells me I have
the liberty to express my convictions and then starts with the usual
Vaticna paranoia campaign that missed the United States government
arresting two kindergarteners for making terrorist threats using paper
guns!
I am proud to be a stupid idiot so long as I know that liberty IS NOT
USELESS. But a hater of liberty by the name of Seeber should not be
granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
against hiimself and his church.
>For the last time, all of this is currently impossible not only by the laws of the United States, but by Roman Canon Law as well.
>
>It would help if you'd read something other than paranoid right-wing Constitutional Christians sometime.
>Ted
But how can we protect ourselves from the despots? I rather read
material that tells me the value of liberty instead of telling me that
it is dangerous or useless.
But still we know that this despot by the name of Seeber is lying to
us. If he and his fellow agents of the Antichrist were really against
paranoia, the government could not have arrested those
kindergarteners, and she would not constantly be asking the American
people to give up their rights due to terrorists they claim to find
"under every leaf."
For the Work Finished!
Joseph Geloso
<1023...@compuserve.com > wrote:
>Ted McMillan <t-m...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>>I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant country
>>and it was wrought through their labors.
>
>As people try to come together, this little UseNet missive of McMillan
>only further suggests that divisions are profound, and clearly now
>along religious - not 'secular America' type - lines.
>
>People are going to have to wake up to this. Times are a changin.
>
>
>>granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
>>against hiimself and his church.
>
>I'm sure the Taliban think much the same. And the groups they
>supported are now said to have murdered thousands of innocent people
>because . . . . . . . well, that's how they wound up. That's how that
>kind of thinking, of yours, can easily wind up - when the issues are
>long forgotten.
>
>
>>For the Work Finished!
>
>>Ted McMillan
>>THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
>>http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
>
>And clearly a sworn enemy of the Catholic Church. And here we are . .
>trying to pull together.
Make no mistake: the final conflict -- and I don't know if we're there
yet or not -- will be the enemies vs the friends of the Catholic
Church. And the Catholic Church will win, but not by force of arms.
She will win by the Rosary.
Christian Baptist
NO CROSSPING, only post in one room. Thanks
Joseph Geloso
<nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>"Joseph Geloso" <jose...@hotmail.com> escribi=F3 en el mensaje =
>news:3baf6564...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:22:51 -0700, Mark Johnson
>> <1023...@compuserve.com > wrote:
>>=20
>> >Ted McMillan <t-m...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant =
>country
>> >>and it was wrought through their labors.
>> >
>> >As people try to come together, this little UseNet missive of =
>McMillan
>> >only further suggests that divisions are profound, and clearly now
>> >along religious - not 'secular America' type - lines.
>> >
>> >People are going to have to wake up to this. Times are a changin.
>> >
>> >
>> >>granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
>> >>against hiimself and his church.
>> >
>> >I'm sure the Taliban think much the same. And the groups they
>> >supported are now said to have murdered thousands of innocent people
>> >because . . . . . . . well, that's how they wound up. That's how that
>> >kind of thinking, of yours, can easily wind up - when the issues are
>> >long forgotten.
>> >
>> >
>> >>For the Work Finished!
>> >
>> >>Ted McMillan
>> >>THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
>> >>http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
>> >
>> >And clearly a sworn enemy of the Catholic Church. And here we are . .
>> >trying to pull together.
>>=20
>> Make no mistake: the final conflict -- and I don't know if we're there
>> yet or not -- will be the enemies vs the friends of the Catholic
>> Church. And the Catholic Church will win, but not by force of arms.
>> She will win by the Rosary.
>
>NO CROSSPING, only post in one room. Thanks
Sorry if you don't like to read what I write. You are free to ignore
it. I do not initiate cross-posts, but I do not trim headers, either,
because I do not know where the thread originated. So I will continue
to do as I have been doing, and hope you will understand.
Christian Baptist
NO CROSSPING, only post in you ng, there is a ng to each belief. You can delete the other address. Thanks
Joseph Geloso
<nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>"Joseph Geloso" <jose...@hotmail.com> escribi=F3 en el mensaje =
>news:3bafaf6f...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:53:42 -0500, "Christian Baptist"
>> <nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> >"Joseph Geloso" <jose...@hotmail.com> escribi=3DF3 en el mensaje =3D
>> >news:3baf6564...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:22:51 -0700, Mark Johnson
>> >> <1023...@compuserve.com > wrote:
>> >>=3D20
>> >> >Ted McMillan <t-m...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant =3D
>> >country
>> >> >>and it was wrought through their labors.
>> >> >
>> >> >As people try to come together, this little UseNet missive of =3D
>> >McMillan
>> >> >only further suggests that divisions are profound, and clearly now
>> >> >along religious - not 'secular America' type - lines.
>> >> >
>> >> >People are going to have to wake up to this. Times are a changin.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being =
>exercised
>> >> >>against hiimself and his church.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm sure the Taliban think much the same. And the groups they
>> >> >supported are now said to have murdered thousands of innocent =
>people
>> >> >because . . . . . . . well, that's how they wound up. That's how =
>that
>> >> >kind of thinking, of yours, can easily wind up - when the issues =
>are
>> >> >long forgotten.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>For the Work Finished!
>> >> >
>> >> >>Ted McMillan
>> >> >>THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
>> >> >>http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
>> >> >
>> >> >And clearly a sworn enemy of the Catholic Church. And here we are =
>. .
>> >> >trying to pull together.
>> >>=3D20
>> >> Make no mistake: the final conflict -- and I don't know if we're =
>there
>> >> yet or not -- will be the enemies vs the friends of the Catholic
>> >> Church. And the Catholic Church will win, but not by force of arms.
>> >> She will win by the Rosary.
>> >
>> >NO CROSSPING, only post in one room. Thanks
>>=20
>> Sorry if you don't like to read what I write. You are free to ignore
>> it. I do not initiate cross-posts, but I do not trim headers, either,
>> because I do not know where the thread originated. So I will continue
>> to do as I have been doing, and hope you will understand.
>
>NO CROSSPING, only post in you ng, there is a ng to each belief. You can =
>delete the other address. Thanks
As I said, I answer posts, and I do not trim headers. If the original
post was in the other group, that is the only way the person I am
replying to will even see my reply. For example, I have no way of
being sure *you* will see my reply to you, unless I leave all the
headers in. Thanks again for understanding, and now, mind your own
business!
Theodore M. Seeber
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:21:38 GMT, "Theodore M. Seeber"
> <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
>
> >Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <2m0oqtgj7un04mmo3...@4ax.com>, Ted McMillan <tmac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:49:26 GMT, "Theodore M. Seeber"
> >> <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Address munged to prevent spam, remove "spam." to reply, In message <55de15cf.01091...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> >> >The fact is, there have been NO credible witnesses saying that intrusive devices exist,
> >> >just tin-foil-hat-wearing nut jobs like you.
> >>
> >> So credible witnessess are those who tell us that liberty is useless
> >> and only causes schism like you did?
> >
> >That's an opinion, not a fact.
> >
> It was state as a fact by the person in question.
Where did I ever say that this was a fact? It's merely MY OPINION.
> When we tell even
> honest Catholics that Dark Ages Catholics are all around us, the Dark
> Ages Catholics tell us that we must hate Catholics. How therefore can
> Seeber confirm our words by telling us that liberty is useless?
About the same way that you reveal your core problem by taking opinion as fact.
> >> What credible witnessess told us
> >> that enough paranoia exists in people to cause those credible
> >> witnesses to waste sleep posting so often against it? Is it possible
> >> that traitors can be very paranoid about other people being paranoid?
> >
> >Apparently, you seem to be.
>
> A deceive is also one who tells us how I "seem to be" after he and the
> others make it a point to tell the world how we definitely are without
> any allowance for disagreement.
"seem" implies opinion rather than fact.
I begin to think you need to return to kindergarten to get the grammar you missed the first time around.
> >> If I sent a hard copy to a government of my emails, I would not expect
> >> it to be private.
> >
> >And yet, that's exactly the sort of thing you're doing every single time you use the United States Postal Service.
> >Boy, you've really lost it.
>
> Dear Readers. If you send a letter through the mail, did you give a
> hard copy to the post office for them to read?
Yes.
> Well then Seeber tells
> me that I've lost it, and I can only tell him that I'm proud.
You're proud to be stupid enough to use a government office for private communication?
> NO the post office is not to read my mail. Seeber won't allow people
> to read his. If he does, he is not only murderous, but he is STUPID!
Why? There's nothing in MY mail that I have to worry about. What is in yours that you have to worry about it so much?
> >Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was > >ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
>
> I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant country
> and it was wrought through their labors.
If freemasonry is Protestant, yes.
> >> Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
> >> nor writing anything that's illegal.
> >
> >And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
>
> How can Seeber worry about an advancing tyrannical power when he
> himself is tyrannical, but is only hiding his true colors right now
> because he has no choice? He told us that liberty is useless and that
> it only causes schism.
And thus it is YOU, not me, the schismatic, the heretic, who has a problem.
> >And paranoia strikes again, taking over The Anti-Ted's brain, and making him into a stupid idiot.
>
> Tyranny is also manifested when someone like Seeber tells me I have
> the liberty to express my convictions and then starts with the usual
> Vaticna paranoia campaign that missed the United States government
> arresting two kindergarteners for making terrorist threats using paper
> guns!
Yep. What's so bad about tryanny, when it saves us from the forces of natural evolution?
> I am proud to be a stupid idiot so long as I know that liberty IS NOT
> USELESS. But a hater of liberty by the name of Seeber should not be
> granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
> against hiimself and his church.
My church continues even in the most opressive circumstances. I have no fear of jail, no fear of death, Why is your faith so weak that you fear such minor inconviences?
> >For the last time, all of this is currently impossible not only by the laws of the United States, but by Roman > >Canon Law as well.
> >
> >It would help if you'd read something other than paranoid right-wing Constitutional Christians sometime.
> >Ted
>
>
> But how can we protect ourselves from the despots?
You can't. You can only replace one group of despots with another group of despots.
> I rather read
> material that tells me the value of liberty instead of telling me that
> it is dangerous or useless.
Then you read material that lies to you. No wonder you're so screwed up.
> But still we know that this despot by the name of Seeber is lying to
> us. If he and his fellow agents of the Antichrist were really against
> paranoia, the government could not have arrested those
> kindergarteners, and she would not constantly be asking the American
> people to give up their rights due to terrorists they claim to find
> "under every leaf."
Who said that? Not me.
S.T. Stevenson
"Christian Baptist" <nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote in message
news:9oodva$sse$5...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
I agree with Joseph. The post thread may have originated in "your"
newsgroup, for all we know.
Ted McMillan
Ted McMillan writes:
> > Dear Readers. If you send a letter through the mail, did you give a
> > hard copy to the post office for them to read?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Well then Seeber tells
> > me that I've lost it, and I can only tell him that I'm proud.
>
> You're proud to be stupid enough to use a government office for private communication?
>
> > NO the post office is not to read my mail. Seeber won't allow people
> > to read his. If he does, he is not only murderous, but he is STUPID!
>
> Why? There's nothing in MY mail that I have to worry about. What is in yours that you have to worry about it so much?
>
The issue is not about hiding anything as if you are a criminal. The
government is now infiltrated with people having Seeber's same
liberty-hating, Hitleristic and despot mind. I don't care if you are
as innocent as a lamb. The more you are so and believe in the bible
only is the more you will be an outlaw in the future. Your private
information will then be used against you!
> > >Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was > >ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
Folks, I don't care who built all the lead chips in the paint in my
apartment. The landlady is to have no authority to come and go and do
what she likes in my apartment. I pay for rental. I expect privacy,
among other things.
> > >> Seeber is deceiving you here. The issue is not you being a criminal
> > >> nor writing anything that's illegal.
> > >
> > >And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
> >
He is trying to cover up that the American government is more and more
becoming as tyrannical as he is! There is another issue to privacy.
The problem is both anarchy, and WORSE, TYRANNY.
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org/Privacy.htm
> > How can Seeber worry about an advancing tyrannical power when he
> > himself is tyrannical, but is only hiding his true colors right now
> > because he has no choice? He told us that liberty is useless and that
> > it only causes schism.
>
> And thus it is YOU, not me, the schismatic, the heretic, who has a problem.
>
And the Pope who apologizes for his unstable blunders of history.
> > >And paranoia strikes again, taking over The Anti-Ted's brain, and making him into a stupid idiot.
> >
> > Tyranny is also manifested when someone like Seeber tells me I have
> > the liberty to express my convictions and then starts with the usual
> > Vaticna paranoia campaign that missed the United States government
> > arresting two kindergarteners for making terrorist threats using paper
> > guns!
>
> Yep. What's so bad about tryanny, when it saves us from the forces of natural evolution?
Well there is something bad about it. It kills MILLIONS of
Christians, and then later staffs the internet with demon-possessed
folk telling those who would remind the world about it, that they hate
Catholics!
>
> > I am proud to be a stupid idiot so long as I know that liberty IS NOT
> > USELESS. But a hater of liberty by the name of Seeber should not be
> > granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
> > against hiimself and his church.
>
> My church continues even in the most opressive circumstances. I have no fear of jail, no fear of death, Why is your faith so weak that you fear such minor inconviences?
DESPOT SEEBER:
WILL YOU PLEASE AND KINDLY LOUDLY SPREAD THESE OPINIONS OF YOUR ON
NATIONAL MEDIA THEN SO THAT YOU CAN >>AT LEAST<< GO TO JAIL AND THE
WORLD WILL BE MADE A BETTER PLACE? PLEASE ALSO INFORM THE WORLD THAT
YOUR CHURCH MADE YOU WHAT YOU ARE!
Ted McMillan
<nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>"Joseph Geloso" <jose...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje news:3bafaf6f...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:53:42 -0500, "Christian Baptist"
>> <nos...@xxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Joseph Geloso" <jose...@hotmail.com> escribi=F3 en el mensaje =
>> >news:3baf6564...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:22:51 -0700, Mark Johnson
>> >> <1023...@compuserve.com > wrote:
>> >>=20
>> >> >Ted McMillan <t-m...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I hope that Seeber doen't live in the US. It is a Protestant =
>> >country
>> >> >>and it was wrought through their labors.
>> >> >
>> >> >As people try to come together, this little UseNet missive of =
>> >McMillan
>> >> >only further suggests that divisions are profound, and clearly now
>> >> >along religious - not 'secular America' type - lines.
>> >> >
>> >> >People are going to have to wake up to this. Times are a changin.
>> >> >
True! The bible tells us that there shall be a falling away from the
truth FIRST and then that Man of Sin shall be revealed. They will
gather together for that great day of God Almighty, and they shall cry
PEACE! PEACE!
>> >> >
>> >> >>granted any liberty. He needs to miss it by tyranny being exercised
>> >> >>against hiimself and his church.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm sure the Taliban think much the same. And the groups they
>> >> >supported are now said to have murdered thousands of innocent people
>> >> >because . . . . . . . well, that's how they wound up. That's how that
>> >> >kind of thinking, of yours, can easily wind up - when the issues are
>> >> >long forgotten.
>> >> >
Those who tell us that liberty is useless, or bad, or a scourge, need
to have liberty taken away from himself and his church. He is a demon
despot and he needs to be encapsulated or it will be kill or be killed
if you allow him space. With his space and time he and his brothers
will always work toward securing power till the day they have the
power to put liberty lovers to death. They will then exercise that
power in another reign of terror.
>> >> >And clearly a sworn enemy of the Catholic Church. And here we are . .
>> >> >trying to pull together.
>> >>=20
>> >> Make no mistake: the final conflict -- and I don't know if we're there
>> >> yet or not -- will be the enemies vs the friends of the Catholic
>> >> Church. And the Catholic Church will win, but not by force of arms.
>> >> She will win by the Rosary.
>> >
If that were true we would not be struggling with "Adventists" telling
us about the goodness of the Eucharist and forcing Vatican flags to be
shown in our grand meetings. The rosary didn't do that!
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.org
Theodore M. Seeber
> "Theodore M. Seeber" <see...@spam.seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<weRr7.52442$ey1.1...@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>...
>
> Ted McMillan writes:
> > > Dear Readers. If you send a letter through the mail, did you give a
> > > hard copy to the post office for them to read?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > Well then Seeber tells
> > > me that I've lost it, and I can only tell him that I'm proud.
> >
> > You're proud to be stupid enough to use a government office for private communication?
> >
> > > NO the post office is not to read my mail. Seeber won't allow people
> > > to read his. If he does, he is not only murderous, but he is STUPID!
> >
> > Why? There's nothing in MY mail that I have to worry about. What is in yours that you have to worry about it so much?
> >
>
> The issue is not about hiding anything as if you are a criminal.
That's the only issue that the rest of us are worried about.
> The
> government is now infiltrated with people having Seeber's same
> liberty-hating, Hitleristic and despot mind. I don't care if you are
> as innocent as a lamb. The more you are so and believe in the bible
> only is the more you will be an outlaw in the future. Your private
> information will then be used against you!
But Ted, you don't believe in the Bible, you believe in liberty instead. The prefered form of government in the Bible is the Monarchy, not a democracy or a republic!
> > > >Plus, who do you think paid for the backbone that all internet traffic goes over? The tooth fairy? No, it was > >ARPA, funded by the Department of Defense for the US government.
>
> Folks, I don't care who built all the lead chips in the paint in my
> apartment. The landlady is to have no authority to come and go and do
> what she likes in my apartment. I pay for rental. I expect privacy,
> among other things.
That expectation is an unreasonable expectation and is not in the contract you signed, nor is it in the constitution.
> > > >And thus, I have no worries about my privacy AT ALL.
>
> He is trying to cover up that the American government is more and more
> becoming as tyrannical as he is! There is another issue to privacy.
> The problem is both anarchy, and WORSE, TYRANNY.
Who cares? Only criminals are afraid of tyranny.
> > And thus it is YOU, not me, the schismatic, the heretic, who has a problem.
> >
> And the Pope who apologizes for his unstable blunders of history.
Yes, so what? Have you appologized for YOUR unstable blunders yet?
> > Yep. What's so bad about tryanny, when it saves us from the forces of natural evolution?
>
> Well there is something bad about it. It kills MILLIONS of
> Christians, and then later staffs the internet with demon-possessed
> folk telling those who would remind the world about it, that they hate
> Catholics!
No it doesn't. Those people weren't Christian, because they weren't following Christ. Neither was the other side, the secular governments who misused the inquisition.
> > My church continues even in the most opressive circumstances. I have no fear of jail, no fear of death, Why > >is your faith so weak that you fear such minor inconviences?
>
> DESPOT SEEBER:
>
> WILL YOU PLEASE AND KINDLY LOUDLY SPREAD THESE OPINIONS OF YOUR ON
> NATIONAL MEDIA THEN SO THAT YOU CAN >>AT LEAST<< GO TO JAIL AND THE
> WORLD WILL BE MADE A BETTER PLACE? PLEASE ALSO INFORM THE WORLD THAT
> YOUR CHURCH MADE YOU WHAT YOU ARE!
I have. Sorry you missed it. And if you haven't figured it out yet, Usenet is a national media: It's published on servers nationwide, and was originally designed by the federal government, so in a way, it's nationally owned.