Opera 7.50 Preview 1 for Windows available
Tim Altman
Opera 7.50 Preview 1 for Windows is available for download. As usual,
discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta
Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly,
but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
forum.
Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous
Opera installation is not recommended.
This release includes experimental changes to M2. If you would like
to test this new functionality with your current Mail from a previous
installation of Opera, close Opera and COPY the Mail directory from
your old installation to this install. Because this is a redesign,
problems should be expected and users are encouraged to make frequent
backups of their mail and/or set M2 to leave your messages on the mail
server (Incoming tab of mail account settings). Data loss is a very
real possibility.
Download Preview 1:
http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o750tp1_3494.exe (build 3494)
=== Major new features ===
* User interface redesign *
This release includes a prototype design of Opera's user interface,
which has been revamped to make it cleaner and more intuitive. The ad
banner has been reformatted into an ad bar at the top of the Opera
window. The main menus have been restructured so they aren't as
cluttered. There's a new "Tools" menu for items such as managing
cookies, contacts, and Wand. All toolbar customizations are now done
through the Customize toolbars dialog. The main and personal bars
have been turned off and the most used web page buttons have been
moved to the address bar. Any toolbar can be set to "Show only when
needed" (most useful for the Navigation and Page bars).
* Panels improved *
As part of the user interface improvements, Opera's panels are now
more functional. The Hotlist has been renamed to Panels. The panel
selector now defaults to the left and is always visible. Clicking
panel names or pressing F4 toggles the display of Panels (ESC closes
Panels). Panels can be maximized using Shift+F4, by clicking the
maximize icon, or by double clicking on the panel selector. Maximized
panels act as replacements for management dialogs used for things like
contacts and bookmarks. All panels have toolbars and a panel
selecting button at the top. Custom panels have toolbars to allow
Reload (F5), zooming, and SSR display of panels. Also, the "X" to
close Panels is back.
* Start panel *
One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
only a taste of things to come!
* Reintroducing M2 *
The M2 back-end has been completely redesigned to make searching
faster and to meet various user needs. Searches of hundreds of
thousands of messages should take ~1 second. Additionally, the Start
search box now has a drop-down of every word in every message, so it
auto-completes as you're typing. Each account will have its own
directory with one mbox file per month. The Mail directory will also
include a lexicon, which indexes every word in every e-mail.
* RSS Newsfeeds *
Opera now has experimental support for RSS Newsfeeds (RSS 0.9x, 1.0,
and 2.0)--a syndication format often used on weblogs and news
services--as part of Opera Mail. You can choose from a selection of
pre-installed feeds by choosing "Newsfeeds" from the Mail menu.
Newsfeeds are shown in the Mail panel under the Newfeeds access point.
Please have a look at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss/ for more
information about RSS.
* Opera Chat *
Opera now has experimental support for IRC, our first protocol
back-end for Chat. You can easily setup a chat account Chat menu by
selecting "New account". Chat channel and server information is shown
in the Chat panel. Additionally, you can use Chat > List rooms
(Ctrl+Alt+J) to list available channels once you've connected to a
server. To aid in testing and to give y'all a place to hang out,
we've setup our own IRC network: OperaNet. There are currently two
servers: irc.opera.com and irc.se.opera.com.
* Spelling checker *
Opera now has the ability to work seemlessly with external spelling
checkers, such as Aspell (http://aspell.net/). The Windows installer
and quite a few dictionaries are available at http://aspell.net/win32/
(you need to download both the installer and at least one dictionary
for Aspell to work). The spelling checker works in Opera Mail compose
windows and multi-line form inputs. After installing Aspell, just
restart Opera and it should be detected automatically. Aspell is free
and open source. Opera will define a public API (based on
unicode/utf-8) and will release source code for an example
implementation hooking up to Aspell, so other spelling checkers can
eventually work with Opera.
* Learning message filter *
Opera Mail sports a new learning message filter. Enabled on the
Filter tab of View properties, the Learning filter works for the Spam
view and custom views. To teach the learning filter which mails you'd
like in a particular view, simply drag some mails to the view. While
teaching the filter, it's likely that it will incorrectly put certain
mails into the filtered view. If this occurs, simply select the mails
and use Ctrl+X or choose Delete>Remove from view from the Message
window toolbar to remove them from a custom view or click the Not spam
button in the Spam view. Remember, this learning filter doesn't apply
to only spam--it can be used with any custom view!
* Override Browser Stylesheet *
It's now possible to override the default browser CSS stylesheet.
Simply put a file called 'browser.css' in the directory
\profile\styles\ (you may need to create that directory) with the
rules you'd like to use. This has several advantages over using a
user.css file. For instance, if you always want PRE elements to be
wrapped, add the rule 'PRE { white-space: pre-wrap; }'. The
browser.css file overrides the default browser CSS stylesheet and is
overridden by author and user stylesheets.
=== Important Changes ===
== User Interface ==
* Native skins on Windows XP will now adhere to chosen XP theme
* Made "Windows Native" the default skin while we await the new
default skin
* Added proper Bookmark separators (accessible via the right-click
menu in the Manage bookmarks dialog or Bookmarks panel). Notes can
also have separators (accessible via the right-click menu in the Notes
panel)
== Opera Mail (M2) ==
* If a message contains characters not allowed in your outgoing
encoding, a dialog will appear when the message is auto-saved to
Drafts
* Quick find in Message windows now also searches message bodies
* Quick find and Search now support multi-word searches (separate
words with spaces)
* Mail import now allows you to specify an account in the import
messages dialog. This makes it easy to import mail to an account so
that it will correctly show with the account selector
* You can now disable columns in the Message list window by
right-clicking the column header and unchecking it
* Added option for showing message body on right side (from the View
button in a message window, choose Display > Message list and body on
right)
== Display ==
* Added support for SCRIPTs (minus document.write and friends) in XML
documents
* Fixed a bug where padding and border were included in the height of
replaced content (i.e. causing squished images)
* Fixed a problem where OBJECT didn't show alternate content
* Fixed a long-standing issue where table cell width was affected by
white space
* Fixed a problem preventing the correct display of HTML entities in
XML documents
== Keyboard/Mouse ==
* Made it possible to scroll CSS 'overflow' content using the keyboard
or mousewheel
* Ctrl+click will now open Save image as dialog if performed on an
image
* Added 'i' as shortcut for toggling mail split view / max view modes
== Other ==
* Added ability to edit individual cookies in the Manage cookies
dialog
* Fixed several crashes related to Print preview
* Include latest Flash plugin, v7.0.19.0
* Updated help files for 7.50
For a detailed list of other changes, please visit
http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/750p1full.html.
--
Tim Altman
Customer Service
Opera Software
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No SP-AM is good spam.
Frode Gill
> * Spelling checker *
> Opera will define a public API (based on unicode/utf-8) and will release
> source code for an example implementation hooking up to Aspell, so other
> spelling checkers can eventually work with Opera.
Didn't manage to get the example code API implementation 100% done, and
lots of ugly defines clutter up the code, but if you feel something is
better than nothing, you can find the source-code for
spellcheck.dll/spellcheck.so at
<URL:http://people.opera.com/~frodegill/spellcheck.zip>
--
Frode Gill
Jernej Simončič
[...]
Looking great so far, here's a few comments:
- The colors set in Preferences -> Fonts seem to be ignored. As my
preferred background color is dark gray, black text doesn't look too good
on it. In previous versions of Opera 7 I just had this problem with forms,
but now all text with undefined colors is black.
> * User interface redesign *
> This release includes a prototype design of Opera's user interface,
> which has been revamped to make it cleaner and more intuitive. The ad
> banner has been reformatted into an ad bar at the top of the Opera
> window. The main menus have been restructured so they aren't as
> cluttered. There's a new "Tools" menu for items such as managing
> cookies, contacts, and Wand. All toolbar customizations are now done
> through the Customize toolbars dialog. The main and personal bars
> have been turned off and the most used web page buttons have been
> moved to the address bar. Any toolbar can be set to "Show only when
> needed" (most useful for the Navigation and Page bars).
I've noticed a few problems with customizing toolbars and button sizes (I
copied the Minimalist-original-flat skin from Opera 7.2, and choose it):
the buttons sizes in the customize dialog did not resemble the buttons on
toolbars - not just that, but when I dragged the New button to the address
bar, a large version of the button appeared, while when I dragged the same
button to the main bar, small version of button was used...
> * Start panel *
> One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
> panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
> selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
> go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
> only a taste of things to come!
Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
on...
> * Made it possible to scroll CSS 'overflow' content using the keyboard
> or mousewheel
Any plans to make it scrollable with middle-click-drag, too?
--
Jernej Simončič, <jernej simoncic at guest arnes si>
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: Expect the Unexpected [R.O.D.TV OP] [03] - YKZ - R.O.D (Instrumental)
Morten Hanssen
[...]
> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> on...
Not 100% sure what you want, but try the following:
- right click on the panels
- select "customize toolbars"
- check "show only when needed"
That should keep the panel gone for good, unless you hit F4 or the panels
button.
Morten.
José Jeria
This didnt help for me, also seing this issue.
/José Jeria
Jernej Simončič
> That should keep the panel gone for good, unless you hit F4 or the panels
> button.
Doesn't work for me - the panel re-appears after restart.
--
Jernej Simončič, <jernej simoncic at guest arnes si>
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: ???????? - Dive in the Sky (OP/ED single) [01] - Mikio Sakai - Dive in the Sky
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
[please try to start new treads for separate issues]
..
> I've noticed a few problems with customizing toolbars and button sizes (I
> copied the Minimalist-original-flat skin from Opera 7.2, and choose it):
> the buttons sizes in the customize dialog did not resemble the buttons on
> toolbars - not just that, but when I dragged the New button to the
> address
> bar, a large version of the button appeared, while when I dragged the
> same
> button to the main bar, small version of button was used...
That's not new: 'large images' is a property of the toolbar, not of the
button.
>> * Start panel *
>> One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
>> panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
>> selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
>> go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
>> only a taste of things to come!
>
> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> on...
You can enable 'Allow empty workspace' in the Windows prefs, otherwise
Opera will always show the startpanel instead of the empty workspace.
--
If you don't like having choices | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
made for you, you should start | Documentation & QA
making your own. - Neal Stephenson | mailto:ri...@opera.com
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Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> > * Start panel *
> > One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
> > panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
> > selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
> > go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
> > only a taste of things to come!
>
> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> on...
Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
Heiko Becker
i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
for ne the start pannel is a waste of brain (and programmer resources).
Heiko Becker
--
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article,then
hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog
and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just
extremism." - Paul Tomblin in <74rv2a$uqm$1...@canoe.xcski.com>
Massimo Nespolo
> == Opera Mail (M2) ==
>* If a message contains characters not allowed in your outgoing
>encoding, a dialog will appear when the message is auto-saved to
>Drafts
Great! Does this give us control on the final encoding, or it's a warning
to inform the user that his message will be sent out as utf-8?
>* Quick find in Message windows now also searches message bodies
>* Quick find and Search now support multi-word searches (separate
>words with spaces)
>* Mail import now allows you to specify an account in the import
>messages dialog. This makes it easy to import mail to an account so
>that it will correctly show with the account selector
>* You can now disable columns in the Message list window by
>right-clicking the column header and unchecking it
>* Added option for showing message body on right side (from the View
>button in a message window, choose Display > Message list and body on
>right)
Everything nice, but... nothing yet on server-side, uh?
--
Massimo Nespolo (massimo...@NOSPAMwanadoo.fr)
Support the request for server-side rules in M2!: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20409
Håvard Kvam Moen
<news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
> >> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> >> on...
> >
> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>
> i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
Because it gives you one place to access several useful functions?
> for ne the start pannel is a waste of brain (and programmer resources).
But why?
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
2003 23:49:52 +0100:
..
> Everything nice, but... nothing yet on server-side, uh?
Yep.
Dave A
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:06:22 +0100, "Heiko Becker"
><news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>
>> >> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
>> >> on...
>> >
>> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>>
>> i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
>
>Because it gives you one place to access several useful functions?
For me, having it on is the same loss of scarce screenspace as in
other software that sticks access to functions on a sidebar. And since
I hid the panels, restoring them via F4 gives access to functions
other that the currently selected one only via a drop-down list.
Doubtless there is some setting I've missed, but not for want of
searching.
Incautiously using the wrong sequences to hide/display panels (close
window button on maximised panel instead of F4 to toggle) very easily
leads to loaded web pages becoming invisible.
Seems potentially cool, but I for one am currently finding it less
that intuitive changing settings.
--
Dave A
Heiko Becker
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:06:22 +0100, "Heiko Becker"
> <news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>>
>> i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
>
> Because it gives you one place to access several useful functions?
is nothing more as bullshit for nothing
>> for ne the start pannel is a waste of brain (and programmer resources).
>
> But why?
bullshit is bullshit ;o)
like now it has destroy my seetins like i wanted to view my opera. after i
has activated tis kind of crap, opera looks total different and i has
loose all my view settings. may be is *usefull* for joe aol user but not
and never for me. i could only accept it, if i could total romove
(deinstall or better never install) this annoying kind of shit.
also my point of view for how look now opera as you first install and
start:
is like a catastrophe. nothing more to tell ;o). is like a test baloon
from students (1.semester) for technical design.
ahh, may look for a new standart skin? just look for busol and his
advantage settings. is slim, clean, with colours that not hurt your eyes,
takes not so much space and has all what you need on the right place.
the former standart skin produeces ey-cancer (augen krebs).
Jernej Simončič
> Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
Not enough screen space :) I'll probably have it on once I get a new
monitor, but until then, I'll keep it off.
--
Jernej Simončič, <jernej simoncic at guest arnes si>
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: Last Exile OST [19] - Hitomi Kurioshi - Over The Sky
Jernej Simončič
> like now it has destroy my seetins like i wanted to view my opera. after i
> has activated tis kind of crap, opera looks total different and i has
> loose all my view settings. may be is *usefull* for joe aol user but not
> and never for me. i could only accept it, if i could total romove
> (deinstall or better never install) this annoying kind of shit.
[...]
> is like a catastrophe. nothing more to tell ;o). is like a test baloon
> from students (1.semester) for technical design.
That's exactly what this version is - a preview, a testbed for new
features.
--
Jernej Simončič, <jernej simoncic at guest arnes si>
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: InuYasha - Varie Vocal - BoA - Every Heart
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
01:00:56 +0100:
..
> like now it has destroy my seetins like i wanted to view my opera. after
> i has activated tis kind of crap, opera looks total different and i has
> loose all my view settings. may be is *usefull* for joe aol user but not
> and never for me. i could only accept it, if i could total romove
> (deinstall or better never install) this annoying kind of shit.
It is possible to get exactly the same looks as could be achieved in 7.2,
but the defaults are totally different and using some new stuff, indeed
geared to Joe Average.
> also my point of view for how look now opera as you first install and
> start:
>
> is like a catastrophe. nothing more to tell ;o). is like a test baloon
> from students (1.semester) for technical design.
>
> ahh, may look for a new standart skin? just look for busol and his
> advantage settings. is slim, clean, with colours that not hurt your
> eyes, takes not so much space and has all what you need on the right
> place.
> the former standart skin produeces ey-cancer (augen krebs).
What is busol?
Edith Gran
For me, I don't like things popping up unless I wanted them to.
Maybe I'll get used to *and* use this sidebar, but i'd still like it to be
easily removable and stay away until I pulled it back intentionally.
Since this might not be true for most users, at least leave it an option :)
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>
> Not enough screen space :) I'll probably have it on once I get a new
> monitor, but until then, I'll keep it off.
But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
pages.
Lars Sölter
> Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
It is usless and a waste of screenspace. The moment you will leave the old
win31-way of fullscreen-application-handling and start to keep your windows
only as wide as needed, you will see that a sidebar is only claiming space
where an other application or opera-windows could display information.
This thousands of sidebars in all those applications, could have been only
developed by persons who had never used GUIs like GEM or MacOS.
Regards, Lars
Håvard Kvam Moen
<news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
> >> i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
> >
> > Because it gives you one place to access several useful functions?
>
> is nothing more as bullshit for nothing
It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
> >> for ne the start pannel is a waste of brain (and programmer resources).
> >
> > But why?
>
> bullshit is bullshit ;o)
>
> like now it has destroy my seetins like i wanted to view my opera. after i
> has activated tis kind of crap, opera looks total different and i has
> loose all my view settings. may be is *usefull* for joe aol user but not
> and never for me. i could only accept it, if i could total romove
> (deinstall or better never install) this annoying kind of shit.
You aren't supposed to install this preview over a previous version.
Is the problem that you have lost all sessions? The start panel will
of course handle sessions and all the things that the startup dialog
handles now - only better. The start panel isn't finished yet.
> also my point of view for how look now opera as you first install and
> start:
>
> is like a catastrophe. nothing more to tell ;o). is like a test baloon
> from students (1.semester) for technical design.
Why is this? Remember that it is unfinished, and just a first
implementation of a new concept.
But you haven't really explained *why*, specifically, you think it's
crap. It gives you a starting point if you close all pages, which is a
good thing.
> ahh, may look for a new standart skin? just look for busol and his
> advantage settings. is slim, clean, with colours that not hurt your eyes,
> takes not so much space and has all what you need on the right place.
> the former standart skin produeces ey-cancer (augen krebs).
Thanks, but we'll take care of the skin... :)
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> >> > * Start panel *
> >> > One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
> >> > panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
> >> > selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
> >> > go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
> >> > only a taste of things to come!
> >>
> >> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> >> on...
> >
> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>
> For me, I don't like things popping up unless I wanted them to.
You'd prefer an empty space where you wouldn't be able to do anything?
How come?
> Maybe I'll get used to *and* use this sidebar, but i'd still like it to be
> easily removable and stay away until I pulled it back intentionally.
>
> Since this might not be true for most users, at least leave it an option :)
Right-click panel selector > Customize toolbars, turn it off, then use
this one instead:
http://people.opera.com/hkmoen/panelselector.png
F4 will still toggle panels on/off, and the panel selector won't take
up screen real estate anymore.
Dave A
Some of us are still using hardware from pre-history, and need the
full width of the screen to display most websites comfortably at the
highest resolution that works.
--
Dave A
Håvard Kvam Moen
<lars.s...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>
> It is usless
The start panel gives you a single starting point, where you can
access any Web site, search, or your mail.
> and a waste of screenspace.
It is always hidden, unless you close all pages, in which case it is
very useful, or you click the start button in the panel selector.
> The moment you will leave the old win31-way of
> fullscreen-application-handling and start to keep your windows
> only as wide as needed, you will see that a sidebar is only claiming
> space where an other application or opera-windows could display
> information.
Oh, you are talking about the panel selector and not the start panel?
Remember that the panels are very important in Opera, and that is why
the panel selector is always visible. From the panels, you wil manage
your bookmarks, mail and contacts, and so on. Therefore, panels *are*
important.
> This thousands of sidebars in all those applications, could have been only
> developed by persons who had never used GUIs like GEM or MacOS.
I was asking about the start panel, but it seems that you are talking
about the panel selector. Just right-click it, select "Customize
toolbars" and turn it off, then use this dropdown menu to switch
between panels:
Håvard Kvam Moen
<dave_a@NOŹSPAMoperamail.com> wrote:
> >But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
> >pages.
>
> Some of us are still using hardware from pre-history, and need the
> full width of the screen to display most websites comfortably at the
> highest resolution that works.
As I said, the *start panel*, the panel which appears when you close
all pages, doesn't take up any screen space from normal pages, since
it is always maximized.
Lars Sölter
> I was asking about the start panel, but it seems that you are talking
> about the panel selector. Just right-click it, select "Customize
> toolbars" and turn it off, then use this dropdown menu to switch
After restarting Opera it is there again.
Regards, Lars
Edith Gran
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
Snip
> You'd prefer an empty space where you wouldn't be able to do anything?
> How come?
>
Misunderstanding on my part.
But I might, or at least be getting an empty page instead of the start
panel or the maximised panel.
If you disable the panel selector as shown below, whatever other panel you
were using will be maximised when you close the last page, if you're not
allowed to have an empty workspace that is. Not sure I like that but would
rather have an empty document or ....something.
>> Maybe I'll get used to *and* use this sidebar, but i'd still like it to
>> be
>> easily removable and stay away until I pulled it back intentionally.
>>
>> Since this might not be true for most users, at least leave it an
>> option :)
>
> Right-click panel selector > Customize toolbars, turn it off, then use
> this one instead:
>
> http://people.opera.com/hkmoen/panelselector.png
>
> F4 will still toggle panels on/off, and the panel selector won't take
> up screen real estate anymore.
Thanks, that's what I was aiming for, didn't figure out the customize
panel part.
How do you ge it back though? Either I'm blind or it's even harder to find
;)
Håvard Kvam Moen
If you turn it off from the "Customize toolbars" dialog (not directly
from the context menu)?
Dave A
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
>Remember that the panels are very important in Opera, and that is why
>the panel selector is always visible. From the panels, you wil manage
>your bookmarks, mail and contacts, and so on. Therefore, panels *are*
>important.
It would be nice if it was possible to *hide* the panel selector, so
that those of us who need the screenspace could restore it when we
need to access a panel other than the currently selected one. At the
moment the best we can restore is a drop-down list (F4) or get access
to some panels through the main menu. The panel selector might save
only one mouse click compared to the drop-down list, but it feels much
easier.
--
Dave A
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> If you disable the panel selector as shown below, whatever other panel you
> were using will be maximised when you close the last page, if you're not
> allowed to have an empty workspace that is. Not sure I like that but would
> rather have an empty document or ....something.
Or the start panel, which is basically the same thing, only with more
possibilities. Remember that it isn't finished - there will be more
functionality in the future.
> > Right-click panel selector > Customize toolbars, turn it off, then use
> > this one instead:
> >
> > http://people.opera.com/hkmoen/panelselector.png
> >
> > F4 will still toggle panels on/off, and the panel selector won't take
> > up screen real estate anymore.
>
> Thanks, that's what I was aiming for, didn't figure out the customize
> panel part.
>
> How do you ge it back though? Either I'm blind or it's even harder to find
> ;)
Right-click on a toolbar, select "Customize toolbars", use the
checkbox for showing hidden toolbars. It will appear, and you can
click it to select it and set it to "Placement: Left". Or whatever you
like.
Kevin W.
> that those of us who need the screenspace could restore it when we
> need to access a panel other than the currently selected one.
To get the 7.2 layout, Customize Toolbars > Panel Selector > Placement >
Top.
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Dave A
Sorry, my comments were originally aimed at the panel selector not the
start panel (too late, too much red wine).
--
Dave A
Lars Sölter
> > After restarting Opera it is there again.
>
> If you turn it off from the "Customize toolbars" dialog (not directly
> from the context menu)?
Yes.
Regards, Lars
Edith Gran
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
Snip
> Or the start panel, which is basically the same thing, only with more
> possibilities. Remember that it isn't finished - there will be more
> functionality in the future.
>
Alright, it might not be so bad, I'll keep it around for now ;)
>
> Right-click on a toolbar, select "Customize toolbars", use the
> checkbox for showing hidden toolbars. It will appear, and you can
> click it to select it and set it to "Placement: Left". Or whatever you
> like.
Aah, I saw that, probably should've played with it huh?
Thanks!
Dave A
<kev...@fastem-dot-com.invalid> wrote:
>> It would be nice if it was possible to *hide* the panel selector, so
>> that those of us who need the screenspace could restore it when we
>> need to access a panel other than the currently selected one.
>
>To get the 7.2 layout, Customize Toolbars > Panel Selector > Placement >
>Top.
I seem only to have the placement options Left/Right/Floating/Off.
Have got the 7.2 layout with Placement > Left, with visibility toggled
by F4.
What I think would be good is a toggle for the visibility of the
default 7.5 panel selection by clicking an icon pane. It's gppd.
--
Dave A
Kevin W.
> Have got the 7.2 layout with Placement > Left, with visibility toggled
> by F4.
Use the Customize Toolbars Dialog (View > Toolbars, or context menu), then
click the panel selector. In the dialog is a Placement field. Change
that.
Tim Altman
<dave_a@NO¬SPAMoperamail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:03:18 +0100, Håvard Kvam Moen
><hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:06:22 +0100, "Heiko Becker"
>><news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
>>> >> on...
>>> >
>>> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>>>
>>> i think cause it is the same annoying thing/ way like from msn, aol, ...
>>
>>Because it gives you one place to access several useful functions?
>
>For me, having it on is the same loss of scarce screenspace as in
>other software that sticks access to functions on a sidebar. And since
>I hid the panels, restoring them via F4 gives access to functions
>other that the currently selected one only via a drop-down list.
>Doubtless there is some setting I've missed, but not for want of
>searching.
Open Customize toolbars. Check "Show hidden toolbars while
customizing." Click on the panel selector. Choose Placement>Top in
the Customize toolbars dialog.
--
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Customer Service
Opera Software
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Tim Altman
<massimo...@NOSPAMwanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> == Opera Mail (M2) ==
>>* If a message contains characters not allowed in your outgoing
>>encoding, a dialog will appear when the message is auto-saved to
>>Drafts
>
>Great! Does this give us control on the final encoding, or it's a warning
>to inform the user that his message will be sent out as utf-8?
I believe it's only a warning. I haven't experienced the dialog
myself.
TheTokenLady
for the ability to put my proxy server settings on a toolbar. At
work I need a proxy (except when it's acting up and I have to turn
it off). This will make my life a little easier. Still playing with
customizing my toolbars, I like putting a "type address here" bar
on a toolbar too since I usually start with no pages.
I turned off the panel bar right away, I don't like sidebars, and
as usual I like having the zoom easily available.
K. Doty
Thomas Chah
I speak a word about a toolbar wrap.
On mail toolbar, I selected the option from
customize tool bar, but the toolbars don't wrap. , unlike 7.23.
Thomas
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Jernej Simončič
>> Not enough screen space :) I'll probably have it on once I get a new
>> monitor, but until then, I'll keep it off.
> But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
> pages.
You won't be able to convince me - 1024x768 is too small for me as it is,
so I don't intend to have it made even smaller :)
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http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: RahXephon Pluralitas Concentio O.S.T. [12] - Maaya Sakamoto - Tune The Rainbow
Jernej Simončič
> You'd prefer an empty space where you wouldn't be able to do anything?
> How come?
I've got the personal bar at the bottom, and it's full of things to do :)
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http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
Now playing: InuYasha - Varie Vocal - dream - My will
José Jeria
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:31:35 +0100, Jernej Simon?i? <ec...@arnes.si>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>* Start panel *
>>>One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
>>>panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
>>>selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
>>>go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
>>>only a taste of things to come!
>>
>>on...
>
>
> Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
Uses space from my browsing experience. I am not against this bar, its just that
I am used to have all space available for browsing. See it a bit difficult to
get used to that 15% of the screen is used by buttons i dont regurarly use.
/José Jeria
Dave A
Thanks for the information. If anyone else has the same problem, the
hidden panel selector toolbar is only shown if F4 is toggled so that a
panel is showing.
--
Dave A
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> >> Not enough screen space :) I'll probably have it on once I get a new
> >> monitor, but until then, I'll keep it off.
> > But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
> > pages.
>
> You won't be able to convince me - 1024x768 is too small for me as it is,
> so I don't intend to have it made even smaller :)
Are we talking about the same thing? The start panel is the panel
which always appears in fullscreen and has the Opera logo, a form
field and three buttons for Web, search and mail. This panel does not
take up any space what so ever from pages, since it is always
maximized, so when you see it, it is because you want to see it, and
it does not share space with pages.
Are you really talking about the panel selectors, that are used to
switch between panels?
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> >>>* Start panel *
> >>>One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
> >>>panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
> >>>selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
> >>>go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
> >>>only a taste of things to come!
> >>
> >>Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
> >>on...
> >
> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>
> Uses space from my browsing experience. I am not against this bar, its just that
> I am used to have all space available for browsing. See it a bit difficult to
> get used to that 15% of the screen is used by buttons i dont regurarly use.
You don't seem to be referring to the start panel, but the panel
selector. We were talking about the start panel, the panel which opens
when all pages are closed.
The panel selector can be disabled from the customization dialog, and
you can use this dropdown instead to switch between panels:
Ralph Friedman
> For me, I don't like things popping up unless I wanted them to.
>
> Maybe I'll get used to and use this sidebar, but i'd still like it to be easily
> removable and stay away until I pulled it back intentionally.
same here.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Friedman
> The start panel gives you a single starting point, where you can
> access any Web site, search, or your mail.
but that's not how I browse and I don't use a browser for mail.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Spartanicus
>After downloading this at home, I'd like to say THANKYOU THANKYOU!
>for the ability to put my proxy server settings on a toolbar.
This has always been possible in 7.x, but you had to edit an ini
manually. Manual editing still has the advantage that you can specify an
icon (the 7.5 checkbox and text takes up a lot of space).
--
Spartanicus
Spartanicus
>F4 toggles the display of Panels (ESC closes Panels).
Not here (thankfully).
>Panels can be maximized using Shift+F4
>by clicking the maximize icon
>Also, the "X" to close Panels is back.
All three methods above don't work for me.
--
Spartanicus
Jernej Simončič
> Are you really talking about the panel selectors, that are used to
> switch between panels?
I think I was talking about the panel selectors. As for the startup panel,
I don't really need it either, because I've got all my quick links on the
personal bar at the bottom - and I rarely have less than 3 windows open
anyway :)
Ralph Friedman
--
Regards,
Ralph
MyAllyCat
the resume button.
Jana
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:24:44 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Friedman
<rot13...@tneyvafbsgjner.pbz> wrote:
> what happend to "Resume" on the transfers toolbar?
>
--
Ralph Friedman
> I noticed that too but then i noticed that if you press stop, you'll get the
> resume button.
Thanks. A bit "strange", though.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Harald Arnesen
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:31:35 +0100, Jernej Simon?i? <ec...@arnes.si>
> wrote:
>
>> > * Start panel *
>> > One of the user interface prototypes in this release is the Start
>> > panel, a portal to Opera and the web. Accessible from the Panel
>> > selector, the Start panel is always maximized and allows you to easily
>> > go to a web site, search the Internet, or search your e-mail. This is
>> > only a taste of things to come!
>>
>> Any chance to keep the panel off? Every time I restart Opera, it's back
>> on...
>
> Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
It takes up valuable screen space. I also want it off!
--
Hilsen Harald.
Ralph Friedman
> It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
> closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
> the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
I don't like that idea at all. Will it be possible to revert to the 7.2 look and
feel?
--
Regards,
Ralph
Harald Arnesen
> But you haven't really explained *why*, specifically, you think it's
> crap. It gives you a starting point if you close all pages, which is a
> good thing.
If I close all my pages with 7.23, I can just hit F2 and enter an
address. What is the problem?
--
Hilsen Harald.
Harald Arnesen
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:02:44 +0100, Jernej Simon?i? <ec...@arnes.si>
> wrote:
>
>> > Out of curiosity... Any particular reason why you want it off?
>>
>> Not enough screen space :) I'll probably have it on once I get a new
>> monitor, but until then, I'll keep it off.
>
> But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
> pages.
It doesn't disappear when I open a normal page.
--
Hilsen Harald.
Harald Arnesen
_I_ mean the "panel selectors". How can I remove them without getting a
grey screen which won't show any pages?
--
Hilsen Harald.
Håvard Kvam Moen
<rot13...@tneyvafbsgjner.pbz> wrote:
> Håvard Kvam Moen wrote:
>
> > It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
> > closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
> > the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
>
> I don't like that idea at all.
Why is that?
> Will it be possible to revert to the 7.2 look and feel?
It would be interesting to force people to change their habits, just
to show them that it might pay off :) You should at least give it a
chance before writing it off an asking for the old functionality back.
Remember, we don't need to know what you think about Opera 7.2x. We
need to know what you think about the preview. Forget Opera 7.2x.
You can already go back to the way it is in earlier versions, though.
Håvard Kvam Moen
<har...@skogtun.org> wrote:
> _I_ mean the "panel selectors". How can I remove them without getting a
> grey screen which won't show any pages?
Disable from the customization dialog.
Håvard Kvam Moen
It should.
Håvard Kvam Moen
We are talking about the start panel, remember.
Håvard Kvam Moen
No problem, except the start panel is a lot more flexible, or will at
least be a lot more flexible and useful.
Jernej Simončič
> I don't like that idea at all. Will it be possible to revert to the 7.2 look and
> feel?
I've had 7.2 look & feel for a while now, so, yes, it is possible.
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José Jeria
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC), "Ralph Friedman"
> <rot13...@tneyvafbsgjner.pbz> wrote:
>
>
>>Håvard Kvam Moen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
>>>closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
>>>the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
>>
>>I don't like that idea at all.
>
>
> Why is that?
>
>
>>Will it be possible to revert to the 7.2 look and feel?
>
>
> It would be interesting to force people to change their habits, just
> to show them that it might pay off :) You should at least give it a
Ha ha, i was just going to write that i hoped that somebody with your attitude
never becomes a software developer, then i noticed that you are an opera dev.
No offense, I know you meant it as a joke. :-)
Håvard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> > It would be interesting to force people to change their habits, just
> > to show them that it might pay off :) You should at least give it a
>
> Ha ha, i was just going to write that i hoped that somebody with your attitude
> never becomes a software developer, then i noticed that you are an opera dev.
>
> No offense, I know you meant it as a joke. :-)
I am not a developer ;)
I know habits are hard to break, but sometimes it pays off. I never
knew how much I hated normal folders and having to organize my mail
until I started using M2!
If you want to beta test Opera, please do it with an open mind. We
aren't doing this to make your life hard. We are doing it to improve
Opera. Maybe, in the end, you will find that the changes are indeed a
good thing, and that the old way isn't needed anymore.
José Jeria
I totally agree with you about the open mind. And I have to say that I am very
impressed with Opera 7.5. The CSS/DOM/Javascript is superb and since 7.2 the
Javascript performance kicks ... Though I never liked the UI much, now it is
really so much better.
Still, as I mentioned before, I dont like this bar to take up space on when I
browse. Maybe the Opera folks intruced this bug that it doesnt go away to get
people to get use by it ;-)
Bob Trevithick
wrote:
> Håvard Kvam Moen <hkm...@opera.dot.com.invalid> writes:
I have to admit this whole topic puzzles me. There is one screen, called
the Start Panel, which is full-screen if nothing else is going on (i.e.,
if mail, browser, etc., are not selected. It disappears *completely* when
something else is visible. Are we all on the same page (no pun intended)
here? It seems to me, if we're talking about the same thing, that it
steals no screen space whatsoever. I suspect we're all talking at cross
purposes here, and about different things??
Best,
Bob
Ralph Friedman
> > I don't like that idea at all.
>
> Why is that?
it just doesn't fit in at all with the way I use a browser. Maybe once every 10
weeks or so do I have all windows closed.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Friedman
> I'd like to say THANKYOU THANKYOU!
> for the ability to put my proxy server settings on a toolbar.
where? how?
--
Regards,
Ralph
Håvard Kvam Moen
Then you can just ignore it until one day, all pages are closed :)
Ralph Friedman
> Then you can just ignore it until one day, all pages are closed :)
it's on my to-do list. :)
--
Regards,
Ralph
Heiko Becker
<hkm...@online.dot.no.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:00:56 +0100, "Heiko Becker"
> <news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>> is nothing more as bullshit for nothing
>
> It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
> closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
> the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
first sorry for my hard words. ok my toughts one night of sleep later.
in the *current* form the start panel is quiet useless. i would never use
it and of course ned it. why i not like and/ or not use it? for me is this
a aol-like design and this i never accept for princip. but i do not know
what your guys would also put in the panel so i will be open for test
future functions.
>> like now it has destroy my seetins like i wanted to view my opera.
>> after i
>> has activated tis kind of crap, opera looks total different and i has
>> loose all my view settings.
now i know what was happen. the fullscreen has confuse me. all other i
could not see more and so i began to play with settings and controlls.
you see, design change has not *destroy* my settings. it was the total
other view and that i coul not see the rest from my opera. and as i had
try to contoll my settings and test some out, my former settings war gone.
but no prob for me, back up is back up ;o)
> You aren't supposed to install this preview over a previous version.
> Is the problem that you have lost all sessions? The start panel will
> of course handle sessions and all the things that the startup dialog
> handles now - only better. The start panel isn't finished yet.
ok other stuff. i have a total back up from my 7.23 opera (2 rar files
from progam and documents). as a proper tester i was then ready for the
wast case cenario, a upgrade 7.23->7.5. first i had do a seperate install
in a 75 folder like suggestet. after i installed the prview over my good
hard working 7.23 version.
the upgrade process has take around 30 minutes. this was the time for
reindex ca.25.000 mail and news messages (is a 600mhz pz). after all i can
say i have found no differences between my two 7.5 versions. the upgrade
version works verry well and i had no probs with cluttering, crashs or
broken mail bases/ interfaces (3xIMAP, 3xPOP3, 2xNews). also my old
favorit busol skin is usable to 95%. i have here a menu button (i has
disabled the menu over the .ini) and all new settings are included like in
the *original* menu. this shows a good kind of work at last.
here i have a question. what about a more slim style for the identify as
... what you can put in your bar? i think about simple use the icons used
for the browser (as a option), opera gets the red O, ie gets the blue IE
symbol and mozilla gets the mozilla symbol. this would save a lot of space
or not?
Heiko Becker
--
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hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog
and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just
extremism." - Paul Tomblin in <74rv2a$uqm$1...@canoe.xcski.com>
Sheila McDonald
wrote:
Yes they are actually talking about the panel selector toolbar, and
calling it the Start panel, which are two different things. So for those
of you who are still confused: The Start panel is a full screen panel that
has a big snow covered O on it, a field to enter a url, and 3 buttons-
1.Go to web address 2.Search the internet 3. Search my mail. You can
show or hide the Start panel, if you don't like it, just like any other
panel. View-Panels-uncheck Start panel. The Panel Selector toolbar, (which
is what you are complaining about taking up too much space) is just that-
a toolbar. When you 1st open Opera and it is at it's default settings,
yes, it sure looks like a panel over there on the left of the screen, but
it's not. You can customize this toolbar, if you don't like it, just like
any other toolbar. Right click it and select customize toolbar. If it's
too big, use small icons. Put the text under the buttons instead of beside
them, and it gets smaller. Select no text and it gets really skinny. If
you only want it to show when you're actually using a panel, set it's
placement to top or bottom, instead of left or right. Now that I've got it
down to a skinny bar, I like it being always visible on the left. I can
bring up mail, bookmarks, notes, etc. with one click. Before I had to open
hotlist, then select a panel, 2 clicks.
Kevin W.
> address. What is the problem?
You can keep working like you used to. The start panel doesn't interfere
with your old habits.
But what would a newbie do? Previously if they closed all pages, they
were left with a blank, grey screen with no address bar.
--
Kevin W :-)
Opera/CSS/webdev blog: http://www.exclipy.com/
Kevin W.
LOL, the fifth time you've repeated yourself and you've finally cracked.
Harald Arnesen
> I know habits are hard to break, but sometimes it pays off. I never
> knew how much I hated normal folders and having to organize my mail
> until I started using M2!
You can at least choose to use Gnus instead of M2. I can't for the life
of me get rid of the "panel selector".
Back to 7.23 for me until this bug is fixed.
--
Hilsen Harald.
Harald Arnesen
> If you only want it to show when you're actually using a panel, set
> it's placement to top or bottom, instead of left or right.
No such choices here, all I have under "Placement" is "left", "right",
"floating", and "off" is greyed out when the start panel is showing.
When I visit a web page, I can choose "off", and it works as I want it
to until I restart Opera. Then the "panel selector" is back.
If I choose "floating", the whole screen goes grey.
--
Hilsen Harald.
Harald Arnesen
>> If I close all my pages with 7.23, I can just hit F2 and enter an
>> address. What is the problem?
>
> You can keep working like you used to. The start panel doesn't
> interfere with your old habits.
I now understand that the "start panel" is not the same as the "panel
selector". If i only could get the "panel selector" to disappear
automatically when I visit a page...
> But what would a newbie do? Previously if they closed all pages, they
> were left with a blank, grey screen with no address bar.
File -> New, or choose from their bookmarks?
--
Hilsen Harald.
Harald Arnesen
>> > But the Start panel doesn't take up any screen space from normal
>> > pages.
>>
>> It doesn't disappear when I open a normal page.
>
> It should.
Okay, the start panel does. The panel selector does not. I'm talking
about the Linux version.
--
Hilsen Harald.
Håvard Kvam Moen
Choose "Customize toolbars" from the context menu and set it from the
customization dialog.
Harald Arnesen
_Please_ tell me how! If you mean right-clicking in the panel selector
bar and choosing "customize toolbars", what shall I then do? Can't see
anything to do with panels here.
--
Hilsen Harald.
Jor
wrote:
> No such choices here, all I have under "Placement" is "left", "right",
> "floating", and "off" is greyed out when the start panel is showing.
> When I visit a web page, I can choose "off", and it works as I want it
> to until I restart Opera. Then the "panel selector" is back.
>
> If I choose "floating", the whole screen goes grey.
Go to Customize toolbars. Use the 'Placement' THERE.
As has been posted only about 20 times now.
--
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Opera config files: <URL:http://members.chello.nl/b.kroonspecker/opera/>
Jor
wrote:
> _Please_ tell me how! If you mean right-clicking in the panel selector
> bar and choosing "customize toolbars", what shall I then do? Can't see
> anything to do with panels here.
Step-by-step:
1) Right-click the panel selector
2) Choose 'customize toolbars'
3) On the default 'Properties' page, choose 'Off' from the (top)
'Placement' dropdown.
4) Click 'Close'.
Harald Arnesen
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:32:12 +0100, Harald Arnesen
> <har...@skogtun.org> wrote:
>
>> _Please_ tell me how! If you mean right-clicking in the panel selector
>> bar and choosing "customize toolbars", what shall I then do? Can't see
>> anything to do with panels here.
>
> Step-by-step:
>
> 1) Right-click the panel selector
> 2) Choose 'customize toolbars'
> 3) On the default 'Properties' page, choose 'Off' from the (top)
> 'Placement' dropdown.
> 4) Click 'Close'.
Okay, I thought it worked. Now I only get the "start panel" no matter
which web page I visit. The title bar gets updated, but only the
snow-covered "O" is shown.
Glad I have a backup of my ~/.opera directory!
--
Hilsen Harald.
Jor
wrote:
> Okay, I thought it worked. Now I only get the "start panel" no matter
> which web page I visit. The title bar gets updated, but only the
> snow-covered "O" is shown.
>
> Glad I have a backup of my ~/.opera directory!
Try Prefs - Windows - Allow empty work space
It's also possible your pages are outside the viewport, try to 'Maximize'
them from the pagebar or windows panel context menus.
fuxs
<rot13...@tneyvafbsgjner.pbz> wrote:
> TheTokenLady wrote:
>
>> I'd like to say THANKYOU THANKYOU!
>> for the ability to put my proxy server settings on a toolbar.
>
> where? how?
>
Customize toolbars -> Quick preferences. Drag things to any bar you like.
--
fuxs
Tim Altman
It's not a bug. Right click on the panel selector, choose
Customize toolbars, set Placement to Top.
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Tim Altman
Customer Service
Opera Software
roy...@myrealSP-AMbox.com
No SP-AM is good spam.
Tim Altman
BTW, it isn't only useful when you close all your pages.
Tim Altman
<news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
[...]
>ok other stuff. i have a total back up from my 7.23 opera (2 rar files
> from progam and documents). as a proper tester i was then ready for the
>wast case cenario, a upgrade 7.23->7.5. first i had do a seperate install
>in a 75 folder like suggestet. after i installed the prview over my good
>hard working 7.23 version.
>the upgrade process has take around 30 minutes. this was the time for
>reindex ca.25.000 mail and news messages (is a 600mhz pz). after all i can
>say i have found no differences between my two 7.5 versions. the upgrade
>version works verry well and i had no probs with cluttering, crashs or
>broken mail bases/ interfaces (3xIMAP, 3xPOP3, 2xNews). also my old
>favorit busol skin is usable to 95%. i have here a menu button (i has
>disabled the menu over the .ini) and all new settings are included like in
>the *original* menu. this shows a good kind of work at last.
Glad to hear the new M2 is working well for you!
Kevin W.
>> were left with a blank, grey screen with no address bar.
>
> File -> New, or choose from their bookmarks?
No, I asked what would a *newbie* do. Anyway, it doesn't matter if you
don't see my point, but the thing is, it doesn't hurt you and it's useful
for others.
Kevin W.
> which web page I visit. The title bar gets updated, but only the
> snow-covered "O" is shown.
That's a temporary bug. Press Ctrl-2, then F4.
Ralph Friedman
> BTW, it isn't only useful when you close all your pages.
The way it stands now, it doesn't do anything for me. You or other folks from
Opera have indicated that it will be expanded, so I suspend judgement.
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Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Friedman
> Customize toolbars -> Quick preferences. Drag things to any bar you like.
thanks.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Holger Dors
Which, IMHO, shows that there seems to be some fundamental UI problem here.
Holger
Spartanicus
>It would be interesting to force people to change their habits, just
>to show them that it might pay off :) You should at least give it a
>chance before writing it off an asking for the old functionality back.
>Remember, we don't need to know what you think about Opera 7.2x. We
>need to know what you think about the preview. Forget Opera 7.2x.
>
>You can already go back to the way it is in earlier versions, though.
Personally I don't mind the start panel appearing maximized when there
are no windows open, but I didn't like it appearing as a selection in
the panel as it's something I would not manually activate, so I removed
it as a selectable option in the panel.
Problem with doing that is that when there are no windows open I now get
my bookmarks maximized (or whatever panel selection is active I
imagine), this I find irritating.
--
Spartanicus
Dave A
<news.op...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>in the *current* form the start panel is quiet useless. i would never use
>it and of course ned it. why i not like and/ or not use it? for me is this
>a aol-like design and this i never accept for princip. but i do not know
>what your guys would also put in the panel so i will be open for test
>future functions.
Even in the current form, the start screen gives a new and quicker way
to get to web and mail database searches from an empty workspace.
That's not something I need, either, but it doesn't make it useless
for others (not just newbies) even with its present functions.
--
Dave A
José Jeria
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC), "Ralph Friedman"
> <rot13...@tneyvafbsgjner.pbz> wrote:
>
>
>>Håvard Kvam Moen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It gives you a starting point - somewhere to start when all pages are
>>>closed. And it will get more functionality, as it will take over from
>>>the startup dialog. You will manage your sessions in the start panel.
>>
>>I don't like that idea at all.
>
>
> Why is that?
>
>
>>Will it be possible to revert to the 7.2 look and feel?
>
>
> It would be interesting to force people to change their habits, just
> to show them that it might pay off :) You should at least give it a
> chance before writing it off an asking for the old functionality back.
> Remember, we don't need to know what you think about Opera 7.2x. We
> need to know what you think about the preview. Forget Opera 7.2x.
>
> You can already go back to the way it is in earlier versions, though.
About this panel being shown as default, I dont think that the average user(then
I mean, not us geeks), ever changes things in the preferences. The average user
usually use the browser with the default settings.
So for example, my father, 65, uses IE 6, if he swithces to for example Opera,
he will never figure out how to turn off this panel. Then you might think, yeah,
that is good, cause the panel is very useful, but I dont see how "history",
"links" (on a page) , "Notes", "contacts", "mail" would be useful for him, when
he only wants to read his news on sites. The buttons are nice features, but
nothing that an average user will touch.
Therefore I think that this panel should be off by default.
My 2 cents (€)
/José Jeria
José Jeria
Ah, answering my own post.. :-)
Still, is so much better than Opera 7.23, I just re-installed it, and it was
kind of a chock with all the toolbars that are default, my god! Looked like a
christmas tree.
/José Jeria