PAD: Original Star Wars Infinities: A New Hope script?
Phillip Salomon
I've been reading that you contibuted an intitial proposal for the
Dark Horse mini-series Star Wars Infinities: A New Hope, which took a
What If? approach to the first Star Wars movie, and that it was rejected
by Lucasfilm as being too dark. After reading the 4 issues that DH
eventually published, is there any chance you could print your proposal
in your But I Digress column as a Useless Story? Was it a full script
or just a treatment?
Phil Salomon
Padguy
It was just a treatment. I doubt that, for legal reasons, CBG would want it to
appear in print since they'd be concerned about Lucasfilm coming after them.
I gotta say, I was furious when Lucasfilm kicked it back. The whole reason I'd
taken on the assignment was because I'd been told that Lucasfilm had
effectively given us carte blanche. But then, after I drafted the outline,
they turned around and said that the story had to end with Luke, Leia and Han
triumphing over evil. In other words, it had to have the same exact ending as
"Star Wars."
It's a crying shame. The cover image to issue #2, with a close shot of
Princess Leia in the Darth Maul face make-up glaring out at the reader,
would've been killer.
PAD
Phillip Salomon
Any chance it could be printed with the names changed? That's OK if it
couldn't be published like that. I'll just have to hope that a copy
falls through an interdimensional portal from a reality where it saw the
light of day. It just seems that there's tons of fan fiction out
there. Why not one by a professional fan?
Yeah, it was a shame that it was required to have a happy ending.
What's the point of having a What If? story if it doesn't end on a down
note? Those were always my favorite ones. I guess they're thinking a
negative story could scare away the causual fan. Actually, even though
the good guys win, there is a bit of darkness in the defeat of the
Empire.
(SPOILER
WARNING
for
Star
Wars
Infinities:
A
New
Hope
#4)
In the last part, Yoda uses the Death Star to first destroy the Imperial
fleet, then steers it down into Coruscant, killing untold trillions of
lives in the destruction of both the battle station and the planet.
Phil Salomon
James Takayama
characters become exactly who they were anyway.
Remember that WHAT IF punishers family was never killed? Later in the story
they got killed and he became the punisher....
My favorite What If was an Inferno one where at the end the world was all
but destroyed and Dr. Strange married the Excalibur Racheal Phoenix and
lived in a cave. Now that was a what if.
Thank god you didn't publish that crap.
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HPunster
>note? Those were always my favorite ones.
I really miss the original What If? idea, where one thing is changed, and you
see the dominoe effect. I like the Elseworlds concept, but I think it's been
beaten into the ground, at least as far as Superman, and especially Batman, are
concerned.
Hey PAD, do you have a fav What If story, or Elseworlds story? Any others in
your own head you know will never see print?
H.Punster
"I don't give people hell, I just tell them the truth and they think it's
hell."
Brian Doyle
"HPunster" <hpun...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >What's the point of having a What If? story if it doesn't end on a down
> >note? Those were always my favorite ones.
>
> I really miss the original What If? idea, where one thing is changed, and you
> see the dominoe effect. I like the Elseworlds concept, but I think it's been
> beaten into the ground, at least as far as Superman, and especially Batman, are
> concerned.
> Hey PAD, do you have a fav What If story, or Elseworlds story? Any others in
> your own head you know will never see print?
Well, I always liked PAD's own "Rahne of Terra" a medaevil reworking of <<shudder>.
X-Force. Sir Samuel in his seven league boots carrying a firearm called Cannonball,
Richard with his Quake Hammer etc etc
Karthik Sheka
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>>>What's the point of having a What If? story if it doesn't end on a down
>>>note? Those were always my favorite ones.
>>
>
> I really miss the original What If? idea, where one thing is changed, and you
> see the dominoe effect. I like the Elseworlds concept, but I think it's been
> beaten into the ground, at least as far as Superman, and especially Batman, are
> concerned.
> Hey PAD, do you have a fav What If story, or Elseworlds story? Any others in
> your own head you know will never see print?
I don't think the Superman/Justice League ones have all been done yet.
My favorites so far include "The Nail", in which the fact that Ma and Pa
Kent's truck had a nail stuck in the tire, so they never went to town
that fateful day they say the meteor/ship from Krypton.
Charles T. Biggs
Phillip Salomon wrote in message <3C0986F1...@worldnet.att.net>...
>
>Yeah, it was a shame that it was required to have a happy ending.
>What's the point of having a What If? story if it doesn't end on a down
>note? Those were always my favorite ones.
That depends on how it's handled. Way too many of those downer What
If's? were downers because the writers thought 'Hey! We can kill everyone
off because we can and there'd be no repercussions in the mainstream
universe! YEEEAAAHHH!!' . Downer stories that want to be downers I have
no problem with. Happy ending stories that want to have happy endings on
them I have no problem with. Happy ending stories that have a downer ending
forced on them so they'll be received by readers as 'more realistic and true
to life', or downer stories that have happy endings tacked on so the readers
aren't forced to see that sometimes bad things can happen to good people for
no apparent reason at all, I have a problem with.
The major problem the What If? stories suffered from was a plague of
writers who clearly Did Not Think Things Through, at least all the way. The
best example that comes to my mind of this was the What If? story 'What If
Professor X became the Juggernaut?' While the premise to this one was one
of the more logical ones that the series saw the writer blew it in the
execution of it. Charles and his step-brother Cain enter the Cave of
Cytorrak (sp?) but Charlie is the one who grabs the jewel instead of Cain.
Tons of debris fall on Charlie. So far so good. But the story lost me when
it had the world conquered by the villainous Magneto while the newly
augmented Xavier was unburying himself. This bugged me because anyone who
had actually read Uncanny X-Men #161, the issue where Xavier and Magnus have
their first meeting would be left wondering if Magnus hadn't met Xavier then
would he still have become a supervillian at all, or at least a less
dangerous one? But once it became clear to me that the writer Didn't Think
Things Through and was using Magneto as a villain in the story solely
because 'if he's a villain in one universe then he'd be the same kind of
villain in all the other universes out there too', well. . . . . I mean,
the Handbook of the Marvel Universe was still around back then and still
pretty much up-to-date overall, how hard would it have been to have used it
to do a little research on these characters and avoid that kind of error
before writing the story?
Chris
Banzai88
In article <3c0ef332$0$35613$272e...@news.execpc.com>, "Charles T. Biggs"
<cbi...@hsonline.net> writes:
> The major problem the What If? stories suffered from was a plague of
>writers who clearly Did Not Think Things Through, at least all the way.
I remember a What If The Fantastic Four had Different Powers? which
I thought was kind-of a waste of the concept. If they had different powers,
it would be a different team book. Big deal.
Chris
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"Banzai88" <banz...@aol.com77> a écrit dans le message news:
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> I remember a What If The Fantastic Four had Different Powers? which
> I thought was kind-of a waste of the concept. If they had different
powers,
> it would be a different team book. Big deal.
>
>
> Chris
>
For me, the worst was What if the Punisher's family hadn't been killed?
Well, the Punisher's family would have been killed anyway. I'm not kidding,
they are killed in the book. Not in the park, but at home, and Frank Castle
becomes the Punisher anyway. What's the point then?
Gérard Morvan
Spooon
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>"Banzai88" <banz...@aol.com77> a ecrit dans le message news:
Actually, the premise of the book was "What if the Punisher's
family hadn't been killed in Central Park?" It got shortened to
"What if the Punisher's family hadn't been killed?" on the cover
only.
>
>Gerard Morvan
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