Dan Kauffman replies to the Fraud comments
Joe Petrow
You know, I can't tell if you're working me or not here Dan. So if
you are, it's damn good stuff.
On 26 Jan 1998, Dan Kauffman wrote:
~ You know, I've always had a lot of respect for you, Joe. I thought your
~ character was (and for that fact, still is) one of the most inventive,
~ creative, personable characters ever created. I have a lot of respect for
~ what you've accomplished. But when you take one little thing I said, and
~ try to take all my credibility away because of that one thing... That
~ pisses me off.
I said one little thing was just a sample of all the things that make
you a fraud. I'll elobarate on one more, but that's it, because this
is boring me.
When you decided to leave the IIWF, you did so while saying you were
getting out of e-wrestling altogether. Said you wanted to concentrate
on your sports journalism career, or something like that, I don't
remember the exact words, and don't feel like going to DejaNews to dig
it up. Anyway, the match two weeks before Ring Wars III between
Kauffman and Petrow was, under those circumstances, going to be the
only possible encounter those two would have ever had. Had I known
that Kauffman would be sticking around for the long haul, even coming
back to the IIWF for a brief time to resume his jobber glory, I would
have approached that match much differently. But, as Kauffman had
"promised" everyone he was going to retire (I don't know if that was a
work, or if you were genuinely serious at the time, and I really don't
care...), Sychosys worked the match as squeaky-clean scientific style,
in the hopes of getting a "definitive" match that unfortunately never
happened (probably because I was only a low-level IIWF dreg at the
time)
That was why I flashed saying that your return to the IIWF had "ruined
the spirit of Kauffman vs Petrow"
But I grow tired of this. I'll let other people explain to you
further why you are a fraud.
~ I've worked too hard for too long to put up with this little thread of
~ whether or not I or my character is a fraud. Dan kauffman wrestle Joe
~ Petrow?
~
~ I would have. I honestly would. But right now, I'm real close to retiring
~ thanks to this little outrage perpetrated by you, Joe. And if I decide I
~ want to wrestle Petrow, it will be a long time down the road.
Of course you won't. Because even though I've managed to generate a
great deal of interest in this potential match in a short period of
time, you only wrestle matches where you and your opponent have
thoroughly worked out every twist and turn of the match beforehand
(like Brody Thunder, but that's a whole other can of worms that
deserves its own post someday) And as people are beginning to find
out, Sychosys doesn't lay down for anybody.
~ As for you personally, Joe... If you seriously think my character is
~ unorigional, a waste to e-wrestling, and a general negative influence, you
~ either can't see things straight, or you don't want to. Well Joe, I used to
~ have respect for you.
~
~ Not anymore.
Since I'm plagerizing people left and right lately...
Ooh, I so scared, mang.
LOCO
> As for you personally, Joe... If you seriously think my character is
>
> Not anymore.
>
> - Dan Kauffman
Dan you still all that. Don't let the *man* bring you down. You know
some people have this sickness it's called "Runithofthemouth" and it
simply happens for no reason. People build you up when your a
nobody....and they tear you down when your a somebody. I never liked
that much. Dan obviously from talking to you a little bit you seem very
smart and nice and I have complete respect for you and your character.
There's always going to be the "Joe Petrow's" of the world trying to
tear us down. Just move on and forget them because they are not worth
our time.
LOCO
Kent Kronenberg
Dan & Joe,
I know Dan on a small level, and I don't know you, Joe, at all. But, I have read
your two latest posts and I must say that you two are acting absurd. This is a
game, it is meant to have be FUN. A quarrel that has really worked Dan's nerves,
and apparently not done a world of good for Joe, is not helping anyone, nor
yourselves. So, I ask that you either stop posting your messages on RSPWF, i.e.
do it to one another, or you just stop this right here, right now. Dan can do
what he wants with his character. Joe can do what he wants with his character.
To coin a cliche: Can't we all just get along?
- Kent
jim jividen
A left to the head and a right to the jaw!
Never, in all my years in this business, from Willie Pep...to Jake
LaMotta...to Rocky Graziano...to the tragic '72 games in Munich...to the
abysmal display of one Jimmy Young when he...RIGHT THERE!...RIGHT THERE!
with yet another unanswered right hand from the Champion! This is not
fortitude...this is not bravery...we have reduced this once proud sport
to a mere mockery of its former self..and this official sits idly by, as
did Nero during the Fall of Rome...a Fall not unlike that taken by
Danny "Little Red" Lopez in the 9th Round of his 1979 Flyweight Title
Defense against a man from a little town called Bethlehem....
Jim Jividen
-------------
"I think God has a plan for me....and that it involves puppets."
- LuAnn, "King of the Hill
Joe Petrow
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Kent Kronenberg wrote:
~ Dan & Joe,
~
~ I know Dan on a small level, and I don't know you, Joe, at all. But, I have read
~ your two latest posts and I must say that you two are acting absurd. This is a
~ game, it is meant to have be FUN.
Hey, I'm having fun!
Joe Petrow
On 26 Jan 1998, Ronnie Deschenes wrote:
~ Joe Petrow (joe...@server.berkeley.edu) writes:
~ > You know, I can't tell if you're working me or not here Dan. So if
~ > you are, it's damn good stuff.
~
~ The question is: Were you working him? I believe you did what you did
~ half-in-character, but it could have been whole-hearted...
Everything I post is a work. Including this post.
Gerry Saracco
Joe Petrow wrote:
\> Of course you won't. Because even though I've managed to generate a
> great deal of interest in this potential match in a short period of
> time, you only wrestle matches where you and your opponent have
> thoroughly worked out every twist and turn of the match beforehand
> (like Brody Thunder, but that's a whole other can of worms that
> deserves its own post someday) And as people are beginning to find
> out, Sychosys doesn't lay down for anybody.
Joe,
Here's where I prove you wrong :) Since day one in SJPW, Dan has worked
for every match he's wrestled in to date. The only 'twist and turn' he
did at all was to discuss via email a feud with Survival. They didn't
plan any matches, just that they would feud. Every match Dan has had so
far have been his wrestler vs the other handlers wrestler. No pre-planned
finish. I should know, since not only did I book all the matches, but I
wrote them as well. Except for his first match against Kyu Kabuki, every
wrestler in SJPW Dan has faced were wrestlers who sent me a challenge for
him. The reason why they challenged him? Because a) They respect him,
and b) feel that a win over Dan Kauffman will add to their reputations
[which even Dan has stated as very debatable]
Next time you insinuate something like this, be sure to have your facts
straight, work or not :)
Gerry
SJPW
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/sjpw
Dan Kauffman
: ~ You know, I've always had a lot of respect for you, Joe. I thought your
: ~ character was (and for that fact, still is) one of the most inventive,
: ~ creative, personable characters ever created. I have a lot of respect
for
: ~ what you've accomplished. But when you take one little thing I said,
and
: ~ try to take all my credibility away because of that one thing... That
: ~ pisses me off.
:
: I said one little thing was just a sample of all the things that make
: you a fraud. I'll elobarate on one more, but that's it, because this
: is boring me.
Well, this one "last" little thing that suppousedly makes the real me a
fruad ought to be interesting... it may be better for me to just get off of
here now and avoid the trouble, but I feel like defending myself, so...
: When you decided to leave the IIWF, you did so while saying you were
: getting out of e-wrestling altogether. Said you wanted to concentrate
: on your sports journalism career, or something like that, I don't
: remember the exact words, and don't feel like going to DejaNews to dig
: it up.
You hit one of the two reasons. The other was that I had a lot of
school-related stuff, and I just wasn't going to have the time or the
ability to give my all in e-wrestling at that time, so I got out.
: Anyway, the match two weeks before Ring Wars III between
: Kauffman and Petrow was, under those circumstances, going to be the
: only possible encounter those two would have ever had. Had I known
: that Kauffman would be sticking around for the long haul, even coming
: back to the IIWF for a brief time to resume his jobber glory,
I wasn't a jobber. I was a glorified respectful "let's push all the other
guys" wrestler :)
: I would
: have approached that match much differently. But, as Kauffman had
: "promised" everyone he was going to retire (I don't know if that was a
: work, or if you were genuinely serious at the time, and I really don't
: care...),
I honestly thought at the time I'd stay out, but I think I just loved
e-wrestling too much, and it was probably a mistake coming back, but hey,
I'm having fun, too.
: Sychosys worked the match as squeaky-clean scientific style,
: in the hopes of getting a "definitive" match that unfortunately never
: happened (probably because I was only a low-level IIWF dreg at the
: time)
A low-level drag? You were two weeks from the greatest IIWF match in
history (IMODO) in the seven tables of fear match!
: That was why I flashed saying that your return to the IIWF had "ruined
: the spirit of Kauffman vs Petrow"
Okay, I can see that... though IMO< that match will still have a unique
place in history, seeing as how I doubt I'll ever seriously return. That
return was a big mistake.
: But I grow tired of this. I'll let other people explain to you
: further why you are a fraud.
So me deciding (badly) on a return back to the IIWF makes me a fraud? You
know, you act as if people make mistakes, they are instantly frauds in life
or in e-wrestling. Joe, I'm human. That doesn't mean I'm a fraud, pal.
: ~ I've worked too hard for too long to put up with this little thread of
: ~ whether or not I or my character is a fraud. Dan kauffman wrestle Joe
: ~ Petrow?
: ~
: ~ I would have. I honestly would. But right now, I'm real close to
retiring
: ~ thanks to this little outrage perpetrated by you, Joe. And if I decide
I
: ~ want to wrestle Petrow, it will be a long time down the road.
:
: Of course you won't. Because even though I've managed to generate a
: great deal of interest in this potential match in a short period of
: time, you only wrestle matches where you and your opponent have
: thoroughly worked out every twist and turn of the match beforehand
: (like Brody Thunder, but that's a whole other can of worms that
: deserves its own post someday)
That's NOT true, and you know it. Yes, Ron D. and I are working something
out, but most of the time, I had NO clue as to what will happen. None.
Playboy is the ONLY character in the last 6 months that I've laid out the
ideas for the matches themselves. I would GLADLY wrestle Petrow in fair
terms, because I don't care if I lose or win, and really never have, save
for a little bit this summer when I wasn't doing well at all, and was
frustrated.
: And as people are beginning to find
: out, Sychosys doesn't lay down for anybody.
He wouldn't have to. What makes you think the only way I'd wrestle Petrow
if Petrow agreed to the job?
: ~ As for you personally, Joe... If you seriously think my character is
: ~ unorigional, a waste to e-wrestling, and a general negative influence,
you
: ~ either can't see things straight, or you don't want to. Well Joe, I
used to
: ~ have respect for you.
: ~
: ~ Not anymore.
:
: Since I'm plagerizing people left and right lately...
: Ooh, I so scared, mang.
You aren't suppoused to be scared. I'm just trying to get my points across,
and I feel better than I did last night. I went a lil' far in my first post
(which was entirely shootish), and I still do respect Joe, but that post
did tick me off.
Oh well, Kent is right, this is e-wrestling, and there is much more stuff
to be pissed off at (like, where the hell is the SNOW, huh!?!) then some
game and its players.
- Dan K.
Ronnie Deschenes
Joe Petrow (joe...@server.berkeley.edu) writes:
> You know, I can't tell if you're working me or not here Dan. So if
> you are, it's damn good stuff.
The question is: Were you working him? I believe you did what you did
half-in-character, but it could have been whole-hearted...
>
> On 26 Jan 1998, Dan Kauffman wrote:
>
> ~ You know, I've always had a lot of respect for you, Joe. I thought your
> ~ character was (and for that fact, still is) one of the most inventive,
> ~ creative, personable characters ever created. I have a lot of respect for
> ~ what you've accomplished. But when you take one little thing I said, and
> ~ try to take all my credibility away because of that one thing... That
> ~ pisses me off.
>
<Great deal of stuff snippety-dippetied...>
>
> Of course you won't. Because even though I've managed to generate a
> great deal of interest in this potential match in a short period of
> time, you only wrestle matches where you and your opponent have
> thoroughly worked out every twist and turn of the match beforehand
> (like Brody Thunder, but that's a whole other can of worms that
> deserves its own post someday) And as people are beginning to find
> out, Sychosys doesn't lay down for anybody.
>
Oooh! Are you going to add, "Except if you're a hot mama, and that you
ain't, Dan!"
> ~ As for you personally, Joe... If you seriously think my character is
> ~ unorigional, a waste to e-wrestling, and a general negative influence, you
> ~ either can't see things straight, or you don't want to. Well Joe, I used to
> ~ have respect for you.
> ~
> ~ Not anymore.
>
> Since I'm plagerizing people left and right lately...
>
> Ooh, I so scared, mang.
>
And don't forget, "Bring it on!"
> Joe Petrow
> joe...@server.berkeley.edu
> http://www.pikachu.com
>
>
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Ronnie Deschenes
Kent Kronenberg (phil...@erols.com) writes:
> Dan & Joe,
>
> I know Dan on a small level, and I don't know you, Joe, at all. But, I have read
Speaking as someone who knows both on a minimal level, let RSPWF's god
( :) ) pipe in.
> your two latest posts and I must say that you two are acting absurd. This is a
> game, it is meant to have be FUN. A quarrel that has really worked Dan's nerves,
> and apparently not done a world of good for Joe, is not helping anyone, nor
> yourselves. So, I ask that you either stop posting your messages on RSPWF, i.e.
> do it to one another, or you just stop this right here, right now. Dan can do
> what he wants with his character. Joe can do what he wants with his character.
>
> To coin a cliche: Can't we all just get along?
>
Kent, one thing taht we must learn is that not everyone is meant to get
along. Now, I know, most of you think that I just don't want these two to
get along for a big match, but there are some people that I, like all
others, find very hard to deal with. Some people aren't meant to get
along. (That's why I want them to get it on...)
Dan and Joe are two different types of people: Dan, the thoughtful and
relaxed one, whilst Joe is very spontaneous and off-the-wall. Two
opposites, and in human nature, opposites don't always attract.
If Dan and Joe aren't going to actually have their characters get in the
ring, yes, they should take it to e-mail, but if they're going to get it
on, I think a little heat-drawing never hurts, and that's what Joe is
doing. Joe and Dan don't, IMHO, have a genuine dislike for each other, but
they don't go together. You can't expect them to share the same crawl
space peacefully, now can you?
> - Kent
Ronnie Deschenes
Joe Petrow (joe...@server.berkeley.edu) writes:
> On 26 Jan 1998, Ronnie Deschenes wrote:
>
> ~ Joe Petrow (joe...@server.berkeley.edu) writes:
> ~ > You know, I can't tell if you're working me or not here Dan. So if
> ~ > you are, it's damn good stuff.
> ~
> ~ The question is: Were you working him? I believe you did what you did
> ~ half-in-character, but it could have been whole-hearted...
>
> Everything I post is a work. Including this post.
To analyze this, Joe says, "Everything he posts is a work." Which would
mean, "Everything I post is NOT a work." Then, he adds, "Including this
post." Which would translate to, "This post is not a work." Just like when
your big brother used to say, "Do you want me to punch you? Yes means no
and no means yes. You have two seconds, loser."
From this, we can draw that Joe can render anything logically impossible
to think about and that he must be a philosopher...
>
> Joe Petrow
> joe...@server.berkeley.edu
> http://www.pikachu.com
>
Iain Neil Macnair
Ronnie Deschenes writes:
>Speaking as someone who knows both on a minimal level, let RSPWF's god
>( :) ) pipe in.
Didn't I already tell you you weren't a net-god?-)
>If Dan and Joe aren't going to actually have their characters get in the
>ring, yes, they should take it to e-mail, but if they're going to get it
>on, I think a little heat-drawing never hurts, and that's what Joe is
>doing. Joe and Dan don't, IMHO, have a genuine dislike for each other, but
>they don't go together. You can't expect them to share the same crawl
>space peacefully, now can you?
Well, I *do* know that in the last... oh... 14 hours, my newsreader
received about 30+ messages on the topic. While there's heat-mongering,
I think *maybe* they're goin' a little overboard :-)
Iain
--
University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
"See what a devious lad with atrophied scruples can accomplish?"
- _McNally's Secret_, Lawrence Sanders
Ronnie Deschenes
Iain Neil Macnair (umma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) writes:
> Ronnie Deschenes writes:
>
>>Speaking as someone who knows both on a minimal level, let RSPWF's god
>>( :) ) pipe in.
>
> Didn't I already tell you you weren't a net-god?-)
>
Yeah... Didn't I already tell you I wasn't listening? :)
>>If Dan and Joe aren't going to actually have their characters get in the
>>ring, yes, they should take it to e-mail, but if they're going to get it
>>on, I think a little heat-drawing never hurts, and that's what Joe is
>>doing. Joe and Dan don't, IMHO, have a genuine dislike for each other, but
>>they don't go together. You can't expect them to share the same crawl
>>space peacefully, now can you?
>
> Well, I *do* know that in the last... oh... 14 hours, my newsreader
> received about 30+ messages on the topic. While there's heat-mongering,
> I think *maybe* they're goin' a little overboard :-)
>
LOL... Man, this is heat-mongering at it's best... I don't know if even
*I* could do better. Dan, Joe, I beg of you to sign this match!!!
> Iain
>
>
> --
> University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
> "See what a devious lad with atrophied scruples can accomplish?"
> - _McNally's Secret_, Lawrence Sanders
Mr. Matt H. Annis
Speaking on behalf of Dan, I feel that those comments were absurd. I
don't know Dan any further than an associate level, but the feud
between Kauffman and Survival in the SJPW was not worked out by Dan and
by me.
I don't know if my posting is any more help to the situation, but I
think that both parties have overreacted. Personally, I thought the
whole SJPW feud was one of the best I've ever worked with, and
furthermore, I respect Kauffman and his abilities. It was an honor
losing to Kauffman...although in the same respect it'll be that much
sweeter when Survival pins him the next time around! <Sorry,
Dan...just had to add that! :P>
Matt
Dan Kauffman
: I don't know if my posting is any more help to the situation, but I
: think that both parties have overreacted. Personally, I thought the
: whole SJPW feud was one of the best I've ever worked with, and
: furthermore, I respect Kauffman and his abilities. It was an honor
: losing to Kauffman...although in the same respect it'll be that much
: sweeter when Survival pins him the next time around! <Sorry,
: Dan...just had to add that! :P>
Don't worry, "big man", there will be a next time after that attack. :)
Yeah, I overreacted a bit, but everyone knows I'm a reactionary person
anyways. I'm somewhat back to normal (Me??? NEVER!!!), and I'll be all
right. I'm certainly not retiring again, I've got WAY too much planned for
that.
- Dan K.