Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) R_0425
Juergen Giebel
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Post-Soviet Religion
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Religion was highly persecuted under communism. Churches were stripped of their
valuables and then destroyed or converted to government purposes. There are many
reports of priests being crucified in their own churches, along with the
banishment of the faithful to the gulag. Even though religion existed in the
Soviet Union, it was often only a show put on by the communists to pacify the
complaints of the rest of the world. As a result, religion in contemporary
Russia faces many obstacles.
Many surviving church buildings have been returned to their original owners,
although many are little more than four walls. Of the religious icons available
in 1913, 80% were smuggled out of the country. This devastation of historical
relics, an aspect important to the Russian Orthodox Church, has taken much of
the flavor out of Russian religion. Others, however, have it worse. For example,
the Lutheran church in St. Petersburg was converted into a swimming pool by the
communists and parishioners are working hard to return the building to its
original state.
The years of persecution and the changes in Russian culture have left the
elderly as the strongest bastion of religion. Church service audiences consist
largely of babushki, old ladies, who never gave up the faith.
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Related articles:
Lutherans work to turn swimming pool back into a church
http://www.spb.su/lifestyl/136/lutheran.html
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Bolsheviks turned priests into columns of ice (December 1995)
MOSCOW (Reuter) - A Russian presidential commission has announced that 200,000
clergy were systematically murdered under Soviet rule in a horrific cycle of
crucifixions, scalpings and "bestial tortures." Commission chairman Alexander
Yakovlev, presenting the report at a news conference, seemed unconcerned that it
might deter electors from voting communist or nationalist in parliamentary
elections on December 17.
"If it has an influence, I will be very satisfied," he said.
The report by the Commission for the Rehabilitation of the Victims of Political
Repression also found that another 500,000 religious figures suffered
persecution in the decades after Vladimir lenin's Bolsheviks seized power.
"documents relate how clergymen, monks, nuns were crucified on royal gates and
shot in the basements of the Cheka (secret police), scalped, strangled, drowned
and submitted to other bestial tortures," he said.
...I was especially shocked by accounts of priest turned into columns of ice in
winter...But that's not all, there were crucifixions...It was total cruelty.
He said hundreds of people were shot for not giving up church property, and only
a fraction of the proceeds were spent on the poor as the authorities had
promised.
...He said that of the 48,000 churches in Russia before the 1917 revolution,
only 7000 remained by 1969, with destruction of Islamic and Jewish religious
buildings in similar proportion.
"It's a tragic story which has not provoked repentance and which has not been
properly heard," said Mr. Yakovlev.
<END>
Compare the above to what follows:
http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/haskala.cfm
(Link active January 20, 2003)
"A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel their
energy into creating a home land of their own. Some Haskala Jews turn to
political revolution. The Russian Revolution of the early 20th century will
overthrow the Czarist government and it will be led by a disproportionate
number of Jews. "
The same text is mirrored at this Jewish web site as well:
http://www.yahrzeit.org/text_link/temple_text4/textpage119.htm
http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/desteeur.cfm
"A disproportionate number within the revolutionary movements are Jewish...
Russian Revolutionary movement and it finally succeeds in overthrowing the Czar.
However, it subsequently brings the country into a bitter civil war. The
Communists emerge victorious. Within their ranks are a disproportionate number
of Jews..."
<<The above is from Jewish web sites and they are brave enough to tell truths
many Jews don't want to face. Germans will admit Nazism sprang from among
themselves BUT how many Jews will admit the forefathers and leaders of the
Bolshevik Revolution were primarily Jews? Tavish>>
More in a similar vein:
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:TXMgsmiZUM4C:sunsite.berkeley.edu:2020/dynaweb/teiproj/oh/jcomm/raabearl/%40Generic__BookTextView/4774+disproportionate+number+of+Jews&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
"..On the Berkeley campus, when everything broke in the sixties and counts were
made there was a highly disproportionate number of Jews involved in those
radical groups. There are a highly disproportionate number of Jews in San
Francisco involved in the gay groups that have come out of the closet..."
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.asp
(Link active January 21, 2003)
Press Release Anti-Semitism-International
"...The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director." <END>
What is Abe Foxman suggesting? Is he suggesting communism was a guardian
of Jews?
Another "confession" from ADL indicating Communism protected Jews:
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/russia_politics.asp
(Link active January 21, 2003)
"Anti-Semitism in Political Life
In recent years anti-Semitism has become an obvious weapon in the political life
of Russia.
The fact is that anti-Semitism remains an underlying theme in many major
political and public debates in Russia.
Anti-Semitism is so ingrained in public discourse that many Russians are not
even able to recognize anti-Jewish bias
One example is the standoff between President Putin and the oligarchs. While the
public largely welcomes Putin’s battle against the business moguls, some sectors
of the population make no clear distinction between the class of rich and
influential tycoons and the Jewish people in general. Broad public approval of
the government’s actions against the oligarchs, who many see as exploiting the
Russian people, coincides with an undercurrent of resentment against Jews in
powerful positions that has become widespread in Russia since the collapse of
Communism in 1991..."
The bottom line is: "..resentment against Jews in powerful positions that has
become widespread in Russia since the collapse of Communism in 1991.."
Looks to me as if the ADL is saying Jews did better under communism and as the
snippets above show concerning Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution
then it is easy to see why-- the Jews were the masters.
Here is B'nai Brith making a shocking revelation:
www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link was active December 2001. Now expired)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/lillithsrealm/myhomepage/Humanity/HumanRights/Genocide/CounteringAntisemitism.htm
(Link active 12-11-2002 and the "unesco.html" web page was cached at this
site.)
Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94
Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94
The period of 1991-'94 was marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism,
resulting mainly from the collapse of the communist block in Europe and the
reunification of Germany."
The original link above came from a GOOGLE search as detailed in this link:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=tbdc1u0ikubfkl0qp77dn140tqhoim43h6%404ax.com&rnum=1
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Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists and
Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600
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Tavish
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>I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>which existed before Stalin took control?
"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&selm=3A6F230F.3AFF4272%40his.com
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"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist regime...
Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how communism came about."
Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hqrh6tgi85n5s5610q2rt9nji2tpmsnhho%404ax.com&rnum=3&filter=0
Message-ID: <hqrh6tgi85n5s5610...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=vspm6tkah5kefclt1ahut3l61rcfnnb3sl%404ax.com&rnum=2&filter=0
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