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V3.0 Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund R_0329

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Fred Rutherford

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Mar 29, 2003, 10:49:22 PM3/29/03

REPOSTED due to article cancellation and GOOGLE nuking by dishonest people who
do not want their lies exposed. Lurkers reading the following must ask
themselves these legitimate questions:
1) If what I am posting is false then why doesn't my opposition point out where
I lied!?
2) If what I am posting has no merit then why does my opposition cancel my posts
and nuke the archives at GOOGLE.COM so only their ad hominem attack reply posts
show?
3) If what I am posting is in fact true then it is everyone's duty to file
complaints with the appropriate agencies which I list further down.

Notice in all replies my opposition is reduced to name calling and personal
attacks and they divert attention away from the topic at hand.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UPDATED March 26, 2003 with more lies exposed. Compare what Ken McVay "claims"
at the top of this post with his numerous contradictions further down! Can
anyone keep track of the lies? I lose count! :-)

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461

Everyone reading this post will be able to appreciate the numerous lies The
Nizkor Project's director Ken McVay is caught in. How can he be viewed as a
credible source of information when he is blatantly dishonest about so many
things I have caught him in and have documented in this post and the referral
archives I list to other expose' posts I have made. Everyone try to keep track
of the lies, deceptions, and flip-flops. To this very day Ken McVay has not
answered simple questions about his funding methods and his operation. He
resorts to name call, smear, and ad hominem attack. If he had nothing to hide
and if he were on the up and up then why won't he answer!?

NIZKOR.ORG web site operator, Ken McVay's, current and long running denial
quoted and all of his dishonesty exposed;

[[KEN MCVAY DENIES EVER RECEIVING ANY MONEY FROM THE SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION
(Yet further down in this set of archives he and his associates contradict Ken
McVay many times!)]]

"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)"
-Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
-Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
-From: kmc...@vex.net (Ken McVay)
-Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca>
-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=xO%25P9.1985%24C43.1...@news.nnrp.ca&lr=&hl=en

Supporting archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=9334lf%241nlt%241%40news.tht.net
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:31:43 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334lf$1nlt$1...@news.tht.net>

[...]

What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I
direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund."

That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.

The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

I expose those lies many times further down Ken McVay! BTW you are the one who
isn't too bright!

New addition February 16, 2003:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=9l2g72%2423od%2...@news.tht.net&num=20&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleTubby's Bullshit
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9l2g72$23od$1...@news.tht.net>

In article <3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:

[TubbyBlubber excised]

> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no
> endowment fund nor a trust fund.

Incorrect. The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
will fuel itself.

SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
fund.

It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth.

Duh.

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

(Everyone compare the claims made above to all that follows and ask yourselves
if Ken McVay is an honest person. Also notice all McVay can do is make ad
hominem attack when he is exposed. Honest people don't resort to immature
insults and diversions which proves I have the goods on Ken "Flim-Flam" McVay.)

Now addressed to NIZKOR operator Ken McVay:

You can laugh all you want and deny all you want but your previous postings
and what your allies have posted prove what you claim above to be bold faced
lies. Just what did you do with that $50,000 and all of the other donations
you have received from the San Antonio Area Foundation; whom you claimed as
a source of your financing and as a source of funding?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project

[...]

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

You claimed at the top of this post: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has
never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection
with the San Antonio Area Foundation" but your post above contradicts your
claim with your very own words of: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund..
The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service."

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you give thanks?

How about these posts which prove you solicited funds through the San Antonio
Area Foundation? Are you still claiming: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken
McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund" despite all the time you solicited American donations through them?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=jamie-03129...@clmx43.dial.voyager.net&lr=&hl=en
From: ja...@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
Subject: Re: the new, revised Nizkor
Date: 1996/12/03
Message-ID: <jamie-03129...@clmx43.dial.voyager.net>
references: <3298694d...@news.gte.net>
organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc.
newsgroups: alt.revisionism

NIZKOR FUNDING:
CANADA & THE UNITED STATES

CANADA

[...]

Canadian income tax receipts will be issued.

THE UNITED STATES

In the United States, donations for the project's efforts should be
made payable to:

San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

American donors may deduct contributions as provided in section 170 of
the Internal Revenue Code. Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or
gifts are deductible for federal, estate, and gift tax purposes if
they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and
2522.

We very much appreciate your donations, which assist in the
development and enhancement of The Nizkor Project website. Thank You.
--
Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
ja...@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/

Did your co-webmaster, Jamie McCarthy, lie about the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund existing? Does not the above prove that your
Nizkor Project is tied to the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund?

What have you done with all the donations you are now denying ever
receiving? You aren't guilty of tax evasion are you? It would be easy
for a Canadian citizen to sneak money from America and not report any
of it on his tax returns I'd imagine.

Here you are proclaiming the San Antonio Area Foundation handles your
American donations (which you claim now you never received);

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5n6ib9%24f3h%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: McVay Confirms Nizkor's ADL Connection: Mossad and ARA Also Allies.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5n6ib9$f3h$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
Date: 1997/06/05

In article <5n400d$s...@crack.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (William "Ian
McKinney Roger Hughes" Scott) wrote:

>McVay admits the ADL collects and disburses the money to Nizkor. Just

The ADL is an American organization. American funds donated to The
Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation, which
has no ties to the ADL. (Sorry, no banana)

Here you are again confirming the San Antonio Area Foundation handles your
American donations;

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=5m1sqg%24rse%2...@eclipse.txdirect.net&lr=&hl=en
From: Ken McVay (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Nizkor under B'nai B'rith auspices?!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>
Date: 1997/05/22

In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:

> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.

Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canadian
_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
required.

In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization....

Are you still going to insist you never "received any money from the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" in all that time?

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you list them as a source of your financing as you claimed
here?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4pvbkg%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&lr=&hl=en
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to...

[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this
open, public response will satisfy your query.

By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work... you are still
slandering Germans, and the German military, and I fail to see
how my financing changes that.

The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
[Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn

If you never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor
Fund then why did you claim they were a source of financing? Why are you
changing your tune? Have you reported those American donations on your
Canadian tax return over all these years? Hmmmh?

Did Laura Finsten lie about you getting funding from the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund as shown here?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=Pine.SOL.3.96.97060...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA&lr=&hl=en
From: Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: Re: Yet another Nazional Appliance Illiteracy Alert!
Date: 1997/06/08
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.97060...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

> All your b s aside above (as though Bnai Brith only took checks and
> gave them to Nizkor; all innocent and stuff. Ask any professional who
> deals with not-for-profits about the ease of shuffling funds.)

I have no idea how common such "shuffling [of] funds" may be. But the key
issue here is whether you have any evidence at all to support your much
repeatedly but utterly empty claim that this is the case with the
arrangement between Nizkor and B'nai Brith? I don't see any of you trying
to smear the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has probably
provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
donors to draw upon....

Laura Finsten stated: "the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has
probably provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
donors to draw upon" concerning your Nizkor Project but you still claim:
"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio
Area Foundation has never paid me, or Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has
any connection with the San Antonio Area Foundation."

Do not forget what the San Antonio Area Foundation itself shows about funding
the Nizkor Fund in the Year 2000 Report.

http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
[Link active for downloading and for verification December 19, 2002.
(I have already downloaded and archived the PDF in case it becomes
unavailable for some reason.)]

Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
Annual Report 2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
San Antonio Area Foundation
Growing to Give, Giving to Grow

Page 3
Fund Types
The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to improving the quality
of life in our community through funding that impacts vital nonprofit
organizations so they can help people in time of need.

Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These funds enable the Area Foundation to respond
flexibly to changing community needs and emergencies.
Decisions on how to most appropriately use these
funds are left to the discretion of the Area Foundation’s
Advisory Committees and Board of Directors. Any size
gift may be given as a discretionary gift.
You’ll find many reasonable options for creating your
own fund in the paragraphs that follow. However,
if you wish to contribute to the work of the Area
Foundation and do not see an option that suits your
plan for giving, we invite you to contribute to an
existing discretionary fund. One of the many advantages
of this type of giving is that there is no minimum
contribution — you may give as little or as much as
you wish, as often as you wish.

[...]

Unrestricted Net Assets
AS OF DECEMBER 31 , 2000
Discretionary (unrestricted) 20 %
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Donor Advised Funds 36 %
Designated Funds 4 %
Field of Interest Funds 23 %
Scholarship Funds 17 %

Page 4
Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alamo Fund
Phoebe P. and John H. Foster Memorial Fund
Nat and Mannie Goldsmith Memorial Trust
Ruth Lang Charitable Fund

[...]

Beulah M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust
Beta and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund
Nizkor Fund
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mary Kay Owens Memorial Fund
Gaynelle and Gene Rankin Endowment Trust

[...]

S A N A N T O N I O A R E A F O U N D A T I O N
Post Office Box 120366 I San Antonio, Texas 78212
210-225-2243 I 210-225-1980 Fax
w w w. s a a f d n . o r g

How about what a local San Antonio news paper published about the
San Antonio Area Foundation handing you a $50,000 check? Are they
lying too or does the actual evidence prove you are a tax cheater?

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.

The Nizkor project not only provides information on Hitler's
bloody pogroms but is also intended to counter the claims of
"deniers" (as McVay calls them) -- modern-day neo-Nazis and
extremists who use their own web sites to deny that the
extermination of 12 million Jews and others ever took place
during World War II.

"They (deniers) think the Holocaust is a Jewish propaganda thing,"
said McVay this week during a visit to the Jewish Federation of
San Antonio. "I have come to see Holocaust denial as a function
of racism."

McVay and a group of Holocaust experts plan a panel discussion at
7 p.m. Sunday on "Fighting Hate on the Internet" at the
federation office, 8434 Ahern Drive behind North Star Mall.

The grant will allow McVay and his associates to unveil two new,
extremely fast computers at an undisclosed location in San
Antonio -- undisclosed because of threats from extremists, he
said.

These computers will be linked to others in Germany and Canada to
provide easily accessible information about the Holocaust and
hate groups.

The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.

Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.

Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States. Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material.

While the task sounds monumental and is expected to take years to
complete, McVay is not daunted.

"Every item that appears on the net takes away another lie"
promoted by neo-Nazis, he said.

The web address for the Nizkor Project is www.nizkor.org.

The article above can be confirmed at: http://archives1.newsbank.com/
Now click San Antonio-Express News AR=rchives or:
http://archives.newsbank.com/saenews
You will be taken to a page with a very long URL and this is what
I just got:
http://archives9.newsbank.com/cgi-bin/user/home.pl/SAEC?nb_id=N61V4EQBZ2V0dGltZW9mZGF5OjE6MTQ6NjQuMTUyLjI0NS4xNjk
Once there click on the link contained within this passage:
A <search> in S.A. NewsArchives produces a list of story summaries
that include the headline, date, author, and first few sentences of
articles containing your search terms. The headline list is free. You
will be prompted to purchase a subscription to SA NewsArchives (if you
don't already have one) to view the full text of articles.

You will be taken to another page with the search engine and that
page was linked by this link:
http://archives9.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&p_theme=SAEC&p_product=SAEC

Once there set the search engine for:
Search for: Nizkor
Limit Search by Date: All documents

If you all do the above you should get this result:

1 record(s) found (Search results: 1 - 1)

August 3, 1996 San Antonio Express-News
Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten

Thomas Edwards Express-News Staff Writer

"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn
promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet
so that people will never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany. Now
his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from the
philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an
international computer web site directed by the 55-year-old McVay from
his home in Vancouver Island, Canada. The Nizkor project

[View the full-text article, 526 words]

Notice to lurkers: You will have to order a subscription to be able
to retrieve the whole article but what the excerpts shows proves McVay
lies when he claims: "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort
whatsoever within the United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken
McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund." The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me, or
Nizkor, and neither myself nor Nizkor has any connection with the San
Antonio Area Foundation."

New addition to this archive; February 16, 2003:
For a fact, your own web site quotes the above news story exactly and word for
word with no disclaimers, exceptions, or corrections by you (Ken McVay) as to
the accuracy of its content. The story as quoted at your Nizkor web site does
claim you personally got $50,000 for the San Antonio Area Foundation which you
are now denying ever receiving!!

LOOK!

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link still active February 16, 2003 and still no disclaimers made!!)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

BTW you denied being linked to two organizations but the evidence proves
otherwise. You claimed in this document from your web site;

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge. They have, however,
invested the donation as they were directed and legally bound to do.

The computers are in use to this day, confronting and refuting
Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with their operation,
maintanence or development.

You can verify their existence by visiting
http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.

I have no association with either organization, and never have...

You lied when you stated concerning "holocaust-history.org" and
"thhp.org" when you stated: "I have no association with either
organization, and never have.." (Don't forget you have been caught
lying about never getting any money from the San Antonio Area
Foundation as was proven beyond any doubt higher up in this very
post).

http://www.ghwk.de/engl/linksengl1.htm
(Link active March 26, 2003) Archived locally as: linksengl1
House of the Wannsee Conference
Memorial and Educational Site
The Mazal Library - A Holocaust Resource
c/o The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
600 Sandau, San Antonio, Tx 78216
http://www.mazal.org

You also posted this;

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9334m8%241nm1%2...@news.tht.net&lr=&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1...@news.tht.net>

Whois: mazal.org
Server: -automatic-

Registrant:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US

You verified (by not denying) the WhoIs return as being authentic yet you
stated: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor
Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

I have shown above that you are connected to the "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund" with your own writings as well with other
compelling proofs!

Compare the above info to the following which you claim:
"I have no association with either organization, and
never have" referring to "holocaust-history.org" and
"thhp.org".

Registrant:
The Holocaust History Project (HOLOCAUST-HISTORY-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US

Domain Name: HOLOCAUST-HISTORY.ORG

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hma...@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal Library
600 Sandau, Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
210-377-2742

Record expires on 18-Sep-2009.
Record created on 17-Sep-1997.
Database last updated on 2-Jan-2003 05:32:43 EST.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/donations/
Ralf P. Loserth, Treasurer
The Holocaust History Project, Inc.
600 Sandau Road
Suite 400
San Antonio, Texas 78216

THHP.ORG

Domain Name: THHP.ORG

Created on..............: Fri, Mar 17, 2000
Expires on..............: Mon, Mar 17, 2003
Record last updated on..: Wed, Dec 18, 2002

Organization:
Jamie McCarthy
Jamie McCarthy
P.O. Box 20394
Kalamazoo, MI 49019 US
Phone: 616-375-7528
Email: ja...@mccarthy.org

Jamie McCarthy was your co-webmaster (shown higher up in this post)
at one time yet you claim to have never been associated with either
org. The facts prove otherwise. You have been associated with the
people behind those organizations and those organizations are those
people such as your NIZKOR.ORG is you.

Do not forget these posts and archives which link you to the
San Antonio Area Foundation:

From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.flame.jews
Subject: Re: Lookie lookie what we got here.
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:02 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9lhffm$25ck$1...@news.tht.net>

There is no connection between Nizkor and the San Antonio Area
Foundation, period. Whatever "Nizkor Fund" exists, if indeed one does,
has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nizkor Project or with me.

If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with either The Nizkor
Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it.

As for your challenge: "If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with
either The Nizkor Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it."; I
PRESENT:

Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
[UseNet headers trimmed]

From: kmc...@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer: The Himmler tape
Date: 22 Aug 1996 14:48:35 -0700
Message-ID: <4vikjj%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

"Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release of the trust funds to the
San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a tax-exempt donation. If the
recording is determined to be fraudulent by reasonable scientific standards,
the trust funds will be returned to Mr. Giwer immediately, and the Nizkor
Project will immediately tender reasonable interest on the full amount to
Mr. Giwer..."

Looks like you are linked to that San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund
to me or else why would you be mentioning Matt Giwer making a donation?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

New addition March 26, 2003-- Here is Yale F. Edeiken caught lying again as
usual:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=d%25Md7.204%249d.39178%40newshog.newsread.com&rnum=6
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
References: <9kvqek$7t7$1...@suaar1aa.prod.compuserve.com>
<f8v6ntse5831cnd53...@4ax.com>
<3b7b7f83...@news.abccom.bc.ca>
<8bd9ntcopgajcivg5...@4ax.com>
<3b80b9d6...@news.abccom.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: A simple question for Ken McVay..
Message-ID: <d%Md7.204$9d.3...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:22:17 GMT

> <doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:34:32 GMT, <3b7b7f83...@news.abccom.bc.ca>
> >kle...@netbbistro.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

[...]

> >>No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
> >>Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
> >>in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in
> >>an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San
> >>Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never
> >>paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge. They have, however,
> >>invested the donation as they were directed and legally bound to do.
:
> ><<Doc Tavish question August 10, 2001: Was the donation invested in either the
> >NIZKOR ENDOWMENT FUND or the NIZKOR TRUST FUND? snicker snicker>>
:
> As the sniveling, cowardly Bradshit well knows, there is no endowment fund nor a
> trust fund. Scott Bradbury, a notorious bigot, has never let the truth stand in
> the way of his lies and vicious personal attacks on others.
>
> [snip remainder of this cowards post]

Actually there are both a trust fund and an endowment controlled by the
San Antonio Find. And Bradshit knows quite well they have nothing to do
with The Nizkor Project.

He knows because he contacted them and was told to fuck off.

~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~

Yale lied when he claimed I was told to "Fuck Off." The SAAF never bothered
replying to my inquiry.

Everyone must also ask themselves why a charitable organization would reply with
a "Fuck Off" when an inquiry was made merely asking if they provided funding to
Nizkor.Org via the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund. If they had not-
why would they tell me to "Fuck Off"? They wouldn't!!

If they had provided funding why would they tell me to "Fuck Off" NOT unless, of
course, they were trying to hide something in which case I would have saved the
e-mail as being another piece of condemnatory evidence!

The fact is- Yale F. Edeiken lied and the few additions I have made to this
document shows he has lied more than once too!

Yale F. Edeiken lied again when he claimed: "Actually there are both a trust
fund and an endowment controlled by the San Antonio F(u)nd. And Bradshit knows
quite well they have nothing to do with The Nizkor Project."

All the evidence I show in this very post proves Edeiken is a liar who can only
make up immature taunts smearing a person's name (I.E. Bradshit when my name is
Bradbury). Also if the "San Antonio F(u)nd... ha(s) nothing to do with The
Nizkor Project" then why did Shyster Yale F. Edeiken get involved as he did here
regarding the connection he denies having [had] an existence?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/e/edeiken.yale/1996/put-up-shut-up-giwer
Archived locally as: edeiken-yale_put-up
Shofar FTP Archive File: people/e/edeiken.yale/1996/put-up-shut-up-giwer

From ya...@enter.net Fri Aug 23 17:14:14 PDT 1996
Article: 59218 of alt.revisionism
From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer: The Himmler tape
Date: 23 Aug 1996 20:41:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4vl522$h...@news.enter.net>
References: <4vikjj$4...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

> kmc...@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

[...]

> If the recording is determined to be genuine by reasonable
> scientific standards, Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate
> release of the trust funds to the San Antonio Area Foundation
> Nizkor Fund as a tax-exempt donation. If the recording is
> determined to be fraudulent by reasonable scientific standards,
> the trust funds will be returned to Mr. Giwer immediately, and the
> Nizkor Project will immediately tender reasonable interest on
> the full amount to Mr. Giwer, and meet the cost of
> establishing and maintaining the trust account. In no event
> shall either the trust fund or either party's liability exceed
> $US10,000.00.

> Mr. Giwer is invited to have his attorney contact me to
> initiate negotiations leading to the conclusion of such an
> agreement. (For the purposes of this offer, and subsequent
> agreement, I designate Mr. Edeiken as my attorney of record,
> and hereby authorize him to negotiate this matter in my name
> and to bill me for appropriate professional fees.

Three comments seem appropriate:
[...]
Second: Price. The price I was quoted was $1,750.00. Which seems
a reasonable fee. The document analysis lab I use has a minimum fee of
$2,500.00 and goes up from there. Further the first $750.00 would be for a
preliminary analysis. If they found that a complete identification could not be
done that would be the total fee. The final $1,000.00 would include complete
analysis and a final report.

Third. Trust account. There is no need for any special account. Every
lawyer must maintain (or have access to) a trust account for the deposit of
clients funds. Withdrawals cannot be made from such an account without notice
or, depending on the agreement, permission of the client or a court. If Giwer
does not trust the account that I maintain or the one our firm maintains either
his attorney could hold it or we could name a neutral attorney to do so.

Now we can see whether Giwer really wants to examine the evidence
or is just running his mouth in high gear.

--YFE

~~End of NIZKOR Archive~~

I notice Yale did not deny a connection existed between "San Antonio F(u)nd...
[and] The Nizkor Project"!

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/
Archived locally as: people_edeiken-yale
"Put up or shut up, Mr. Michael" - Draft agreement, prepared by Mr. Edeiken and
approved by Nizkor's Director, Ken McVay, regarding the Himmler analysis. This
agreement was delivered to Mr. Michael on March 9, 1999, for his consideration."
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/draft-00.html
Archived locally as: people_edeiken-draft-00

(The above link is still more proof Yale F. Edeiken did legal work for The
Nizkor Project!)

BTW Ken you claim in that archive above: "1. The Nizkor Project (hereinafter
"Nizkor"), an unincorporated organization.." which contradicts Ken Lewis' claim
that Nizkor is NOT an organization and that Nizkor is a web site solely operated
by you! A lone individual is NOT an organization by any definition! My evidence
I have caught you Nizkooks in more lies:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34f0ab27.91705686%40news.abccom.bc.ca&rnum=6
From: elect...@nospam.bigfoot.com (Electric Zen)
Subject: Re: Anniversary of Nizkorite Caught in a Major Lie. Their Own Prove It!
Get Out From Under This Ken!! (Classic Detective Repost)
Date: 1998/02/22
Message-ID: <34f0ab27...@news.abccom.bc.ca>

"Nizkor does not exist as an organization."

<END>

So which Ken is the liar? hehehe

Look at these admissions, the dates and compare them to Ken McVay claiming as he
did (shown higher up in this post: "1. The Nizkor Project (hereinafter
"Nizkor"), an unincorporated organization.."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=9ks5as%24r19%241%40news.tht.net
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Blubberbury's Bullshit and Blather
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ks5as$r19$1...@news.tht.net>

Ken Lewis writes:

> Ken has already proven otherwise.
>
> The quote you have pasted below was simply never implemented.
> Nizkor was then as it is now - a website. Ken hoped to turn it
> into an organization such as you insist it is but that never
> worked out.

<<Tavish comment March 26, 2003: Thus we have the claim: "Ken hoped to turn
(Nizkor) into an organization such as you insist it is but that never worked
out." YET higher up McVay made this claim: "The Nizkor Project (hereinafter
"Nizkor"), an unincorporated organization.." It is easy to catch these liars in
their lies and McVay even verifies what Ken Lewis claimed about Nizkor NEVER
became an organization!!>>

> Within weeks of that post having been made the whole effort to turn it into
> an organization fell apart.

Indeed it did. Why anyone would post an article that was nearly
five years out of date as if it had relevance is beyond me, but
then, we're dealing with "revisionist scholars" here, so it isn't the
least surprising.

> Thus it remains what it always was. A website run soley by Ken.

Indeed.

<<Tavish comment March 26, 2003: Indeed? You are agreeing with Ken Lewis YET you
made this claim in a legal document you hashed out with Shyster Yale F. Edeiken:
"The Nizkor Project (hereinafter "Nizkor"), an unincorporated organization.." It
is easy to catch you liars in your lies and you even verified what Ken Lewis
claimed about Nizkor NEVER became an organization!!>>

It is also a fact that Mr. Blakely has known this since June
of last year...

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

<<END OF NEW ADDITIONS>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Back to McVay denying having any connection to the San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund:

One of your allies, Michael Ragland, posted this as late as June 27, 2002:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=14152-3D1...@storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net&lr=&hl=en
From: ragl...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Holes, Some Holocaust (Danny Keren)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <14152-3D1...@storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net>
References: <3D1BC57C...@sympatico.ca>

Veri Sign Whois
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois

Enter mazal.org and read results

You are Here:WHOIS -> Search Results
Search Results

Registrant:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
Domain Name: MAZAL.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hma...@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal
Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US
210-377-2742
Record expires on 28-Jun-2006.
Record created on 27-Jun-1997.
Database last updated on 27-Jun-2002 22:55:14 EDT.

Still want to stick with your lie which I quote again right here (and was shown
higher up in this post): "If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with either The Nizkor
Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it." I DID NUMEROUS TIMES MCVAY THUS
RESOUNDINGLY PROVING YOU TO BE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!!!

BTW McVay-- Did you pay taxes on that $50,000 (and all the other money you
received as donations) you got from the San Antonio Area Foundation which you
deny receiving though my compelling digest (this post) proves you did? I just
wonder what all the back penalties and interest plus fines would be for all you
have denied receiving!? It is obvious you did not pay any tax on any of that
money because who would pay tax on money they didn't receive? No one! You do
hang yourself with your statements and your co-horts help indict you too! You
are dishonest and you are not trustworthy and sooner or later when enough people
complain you will get audited!

Attention lurkers-- these are the contacts to report Ken McVay:

Auditor General of CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca

For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.

Everyone do your duty!

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461

also

http://webpositiongold.kenmcvay.com/contact-webpositiongold.htm
McVay Consulting Group
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
Canonical name: kenmcvay.com
Addresses: 209.151.84.95
1-250-616-9431

Also see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e0608d2_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:48:04 GMT

Is NIZKOR.ORG a communist front? Read the compelling evidence in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists and
Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600
Message-ID: <hdpn7v445bkpebmov...@4ax.com>

Tavish

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