OT,"Hotel California" Creepy.
AJ
share with this NG. I'm sure some of you will not appreciate this post,
but I hope some of you do find it interesting as much as I did. I did
not write the following, but I think it is a neat story and I think it
adds to the mystery of the song. I don't know if any of it is true or
not.
Captain Kundalini wrote,
I can't believe all the stuff I am finding about the
Hotel California. According to my contact in LA, such a place really did
exist! As you entered the town of El Centro, California from "a dark,
desert highway" it was one of the first things that you saw. While
closed to the public, it burned to the ground in February of 1969 ("We
haven't had that spirit here since 1969.") after some homeless people
had accidentally set fire to it while taking shelter from the elements.
Trapped inside, ("We are all just prisoners here of our own device.")
all eight of them burned to death. Emergency personnel tried in vain to
put out the fire with the water from the fire hoses ("They stab it with
their steely knives but they just can't kill the Beast.") So, if you are
ever traveling down a certain "dark, desert highway" and you see "a
shimmering light" coming from where this hotel once stood.....well, you
know what to do.
Re: "Hotel California"
Captain Kundalini wrote,
I got my info from a lady who lives in a suburb of LA
so as to be close to her only son. Her son is interred over at Hollywood
Forever. I was chatting with her earlier this week about The Eagles
going on tour again and mentioned "Hotel California". She told me that
the real hotel used to be in El Centro, California and gave me a short
history of it. I cannot give out her name to you because she is rather
well known in the Hollywood community...and wishes to remain anonymous.
Okay, this is really starting to get creepy. One of
the items that was salvaged from the ruins of the hotel was the
Guestbook. One of the last entries in the book read in part, ".....such
a lovely place." Regrettably, since the old hotel burned up so long ago,
I don't think any pictures of the place still exist. However, that isn't
going to stop me from looking. Wish me luck.
Peace,
Captain Kundalini
Tattoo Vampire
> Below are two different post I found interesting and thought I would
> share with this NG. I'm sure some of you will not appreciate this post,
> but I hope some of you do find it interesting as much as I did. I did
> not write the following, but I think it is a neat story and I think it
> adds to the mystery of the song. I don't know if any of it is true or
> not.
[snip]
Nice stories, but that's all they are. The real Hotel California is located
in the town of Todos Santos in Baja California. It's been closed since
1998.
There were many rumors about Don Henley's involvement with the hotel. Some
said he had a part-ownership in the hotel, others said he and the other
Eagles actually stayed there and this was what inspired the song and album.
Henley ultimately issued a statement saying "neither myself nor anyone in
the Eagles has ever had any association, either business or pleasure, with
the Hotel California in Todos Santos".
The song has nothing to do with the hotel. It's merely an allegorical
statement about 1970s Los Angeles.
--
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DRSMITH666
Francisco.
"Bite it, you scum - I'm never gonna run, bite it, you scum!" - GG ALLIN
GotPlan
> Below are two different post I found interesting and thought I would
>share with this NG. I'm sure some of you will not appreciate this post,
>but I hope some of you do find it interesting as much as I did. I did
>not write the following, but I think it is a neat story and I think it
>adds to the mystery of the song. I don't know if any of it is true or
>not.
THIS SHIT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS GROUP, YOU DICKLESS FUCKER!
IF YOU LIKE THAT GODDAMN GROUP, POST TO THAT FUCKING GROUP!
I HATE YOU, YOU RAPIST!
______________________
"IT REALLY HITS HOME WHEN SOMEONE YOU LOVE IS MURDERED"
-- STEVIE HALL
"we are known for wearing mens clothing."
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"I take great pride in my gas" -- JOHNF...@AOL.COM
AJ
located in the town of Todos Santos in Baja California. It's been closed
since
1998.
There were many rumors about Don Henley's involvement with the hotel.
Some said he had a part-ownership in the hotel, others said he and the
other Eagles actually stayed there and this was what inspired the song
and album.
Henley ultimately issued a statement saying "neither myself nor anyone
in the Eagles has ever had any association, either business or pleasure,
with the Hotel California in Todos Santos".
The song has nothing to do with the hotel. It's merely an allegorical
statement about 1970s Los Angeles.
*I've also heard rumors that the house on the album cover is actually
Anton Levay's house AKA the church of Satan, and some people believe you
can see him in one of the windows standing there. Many believe that the
Eagles are singing about their experience at the church of Satan.
_________________________________________
"If you love us or hate us, God bless you. If you are somewhere in the
middle, get out."
*Paul Stanley*
The fans wanted us to play, We hear and we obey.
*GENE $IMMONS*
Gotplan_2
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> THIS SHIT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS GROUP, YOU DICKLESS FUCKER!
>
> IF YOU LIKE THAT GODDAMN GROUP, POST TO THAT FUCKING GROUP!
>
> I HATE YOU, YOU RAPIST!
I HATE YOU YOU ANIMAL RAPIST!
Gotplan_2
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> My friend James used to say that it was about the Church of Satan in San
> Francisco.
>
> "Bite it, you scum - I'm never gonna run, bite it, you scum!" - GG ALLIN
YOU ARE VERY VERY WEIRD. YOU SEX YOUR MOM UP DON'T YOU!
Tattoo Vampire
> *I've also heard rumors that the house on the album cover is actually
> Anton Levay's house AKA the church of Satan, and some people believe
> you can see him in one of the windows standing there. Many believe
> that the Eagles are singing about their experience at the church of
> Satan.
>
This rumor began because the Church of Satan building was located on
California Street in San Francisco.
Peter H. Gilmore, who is currently High Priest of the Church of Satan,
has called the story about the connection between the Eagles song and
the Church of Satan "a pleasant legend" in an interview posted here:
http://www.satanosphere.com/story/2001/9/7/121041/3661
I find the whole subject of the Church of Satan interesting. LaVey was a
charismatic individual and natural showman, and his goal was to
capitalize on the "free love" and permissiveness of the era when he
founded the Church in 1966. He also manufactured large elements of his
life story. Here's a few tidbits:
LaVey claimed he was introduced to the "dark side" by his Transylvanian
Gypsy grandmother. The grandmother in question was actually of Ukranian
origin.
LaVey said he was exposed to the savagery of human nature during his
stint as a San Francisco Police photographer in the early 1950s. San
Francisco Police Department past employment records include no "Howard
Levey" nor "Anton LaVey".
Speaking of his name, he claimed that "Anton Szandor LaVey" was his
genuine birth name, when in fact he was born "Howard Stanton Levey".
LaVey claimed that on the night of April 30, 1966 (the German Satanic
festival of Walpurgisnacht), "in a blinding flash" he declared himself
the High Priest of Satan, proclaimed that the Age of Satan had begun,
and founded the Church of Satan as a religious institution.
Here are the facts about the Church's founding: In 1966 LaVey made a
living by presenting weekend lectures on exotic and occult topics, and
by conducting "Witches' Workshops". He charged $2 a head and established
a local reputation as an eccentric. Professional publicist Edward Webber
suggested to LaVey that he "would never make any money by lecturing on
Friday nights for donations ... it would be better to form some sort of
church and get a charter from the State of California ... I told Anton
at the time that the press was going to flip out over all this and that
we would get a lot of notoriety". In the summer of 1966, long after the
fictional founding-date invented later, a newspaper article about
LaVey's lectures offhandedly referred to him as "priest of the Devil's
church". This mixture of Webber's idea and the newspaper's
characterization resulted in the creation of the Church of Satan as a
business and publicity vehicle.
LaVey and his Church both went bankrupt. In his last years he existed
with the help of California state aid. Assessors declared his house, the
Church of Satan building on California Street, to be in such poor repair
as to be nearly worthless on the real estate market. BTW, the house
originally belonged to LaVey's parents; it was given to LaVey and his
then-wife Diane. Family members have attested to the fact that by the
mid-1970s the LaVeys lived in near-poverty.
The COS is still around, though, and has a nice site:
www.churchofsatan.com. --
[tv]
...The more things change, the more they stay insane.
AJ
*That was a intresting read, but kind of creepy that you knew all that
and posted all this information this quickly. It kind of makes me
wonder about you. :-)
Tattoo Vampire
> *That was a intresting read, but kind of creepy that you knew all that
> and posted all this information this quickly. It kind of makes me
> wonder about you. :-)
LOL... actually my son had shown some interest in the subject, and I had
looked that stuff up months ago to show him that LaVey was little better
than some of the figures of organized religion he used to criticize.
--
[tv]
...Thank you for not breathing while I smoke.
GotPlan
>From: "Gotplan_2" GOT...@YOUSUCKME.COM
>Date: 5/28/02 6:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3cf38731$0$21003$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
>
>FAG.
LOSER
GotPlan
FUCK YOU
DRSMITH666
I didn't have you pegged as the type of guy who would know such things. If your
facts are correct, I learned many things that I hadn't previously known - and I
am affiliated with the Church of Satan!
"The supercomputer's microchip has become independent and is out of control.
THEY now control US!" - Cyber Lip arcade game.
DRSMITH666
>looked that stuff up months ago to show him that LaVey was little better
>than some of the figures of organized religion he used to criticize.
Reguardless, did you do this as a way of dissuading him from reading the
Satanic Bible?? I think he would need to read BOTH to make an informed
decision. But I like this "Mike Brady" style of parenting you display though.
Bravo. But let him read the book - anyway.
Tattoo Vampire
> Reguardless, did you do this as a way of dissuading him from reading
> the Satanic Bible?? I think he would need to read BOTH to make an
> informed decision. But I like this "Mike Brady" style of parenting you
> display though. Bravo. But let him read the book - anyway.
I didn't stop him from reading the book; I don't censor anything my kids
read at their ages. I just wanted him to see that LaVey was really no
better than some of the people in the organized religions he was so
against. Like many evangelists and faith healers, LaVey used his church as
a vehicle for fame and financial gain.
--
[tv]
...Oh yea? If you're so smart, why don't I understand you?
Tattoo Vampire
> Hey thanks Tattoo, (or "Tats" as Miss Dumpster 'effectionately' refers
> to you). I didn't have you pegged as the type of guy who would know
> such things. If your facts are correct, I learned many things that I
> hadn't previously known - and I am affiliated with the Church of
> Satan!
Much of the information I posted came from LaVey's own family, most notably
his daughters Zeena and Karla and his ex-wife Diane.
How are you affiliated with LaVey's "church"?
--
[tv]
...We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse.
DRSMITH666
>a vehicle for fame and financial gain.
And he made no apologies for this. Here lies the BIG difference.
Tattoo Vampire
> And he made no apologies for this. Here lies the BIG difference.
The problem is not that he used the church for personal gain, the problem
is he did not actually believe what he himself preached. His Satanic Bible
was conceived by Avon Books, who approached LaVey with the idea; their
intention being to cash in on the Satanism and witchraft craze of the 60s.
Pressed for material to meet Avon's deadline, LaVey resorted to plagiarism,
assembling extracts from an obscure 1896 tract, "Might is Right" by Ragnar
Redbeard.
Another third of the Satanic Bible consists of John Dee's "Enochian Keys",
taken directly from Aleister Crowley's "Equinox". One of the Church of
Satan's central doctrines, "Nine Satanic Statements", is a paraphrase of
passages from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".
Ever wonder what the words "Yankee Rose" at the end of the Satanic Bible
mean? It's the title of an old song LaVey performed during his days as a
nightclub entertainer.
The guy was as phony as a 3-dollar bill... and his church, even at its
height of popularity, never had the hundreds of thousands of members he
claimed. His family, along with former associates of the church, place its
peak membership at around 300 people.
It was ALL phony, Doc. Why would you associate with such an obviously
fraudulent organization?
--
[tv]
...Just an amoeba in the Petri dish of life...
DRSMITH666
>his daughters Zeena and Karla and his ex-wife Diane.
I believe Zeena actually broke away from COS and joined the Temple of Set.
>How are you affiliated with LaVey's "church"?
I'm a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan.
DRSMITH666
>fraudulent organization?
>
>
Because the spells WORK.
Tattoo Vampire
> I'm a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan.
Really? What are you and the other ten members up to these days?
It was all LIES, Doc. LaVey was nothing but P.T. Barnum with a shaved head
and a Devil goatee. Even the Baphomet emblem LaVey supposedly created and
owned the rights to was stolen, from a 1931 book by Oswald Wirth.
--
[tv]
...Those who speak only to save face end up falling on it.
Ribs
Is "cabbage" an acceptable substitute for the ritualistic
sheep?
Seriously though... did you just print of a web graphic and
laminate as per the instructions on the site or do you go to
some Black Mass on Thursdays?
I have a recording of LaVey's "Satanic Mass". My cat started
projectile vomiting 8 seconds into it so I turned it off.
lol... ok, that last bit wasn't so serious... I actually
turned the volume up.
Ribs
Sorry for being so sarcastic in my last post! If you don't want
to forgive me, I'd prefer a third arm please.
Johnfwolfe
>I'm a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan.
-------------------------------------------
I'm not surprised. What do you sacrifice, a head of lettuce?
DRSMITH666
>It was all LIES, Doc. LaVey was nothing but P.T. Barnum with a shaved head
>and a Devil goatee. Even the Baphomet emblem LaVey supposedly created and
>owned the rights to was stolen, from a 1931 book by Oswald Wirth.
>
I'm not really concerned with the specifics concerning the compilation of the
Satanic Bible. The book is a masterpiece, both in content and philosophy. I
have a good friend who was a fellow Satanist who actually went off and formed
his own "church" (with my help) because he felt that LaVey's Satanism was "too
limiting". I was instrumental in this organization as sort of a "silent
partner", that is he did all of the legwork, printed up the newsletters,
printed up the cards, and promoted the organization, while I actually came up
with the name (Knights of the Infernal Alter), as well as the name of the
publication (The Devil's Workshop - his original idea was "Flashdark", and when
I proposed The Devil's Workshop he immediately said, "Yes, that's the name!),
and some other ideas. I was always a "behind the scenes" kind of guy as far as
these organizations would go. That is to say that I could have a tremendous
amount of influence on content, ideas, I would write articles, conduct
ceremonies, etc. - But I would remain pretty much in the background, and just
let the vehicle take it's course We even came up with a lot of innovative
ideas, theories and philosophies that I still go by today. George later changed
the name of the organization to "Aliance of the Infernal Alter" and I believe
took it into some new directions as well (On his own now - at this point I was
no longer contributing - this was something that **I** basically started and
organized in the beginning, and it kept going for years after I was no longer
involved). But anyway, George was a true genius (in the most literal sense of
the word), a visionary, and he had an attention span that wouldn't quit.
DRSMITH666
>laminate as per the instructions on the site or do you go to
>some Black Mass on Thursdays?
I do not know about this "web graphic" you speak of, nor have I been to the web
site for years. I became a member back in 1989 before any of that, and it
involved a FEE, questionaires, correspondance with the Church and some other
things which I cannot talk about.
DRSMITH666
>I'm not surprised. What do you sacrifice, a head of lettuce?
>
I sacrifice "Psychic Vampires". I pound the stake through thier hearts every
single time.
GotPlan
> Below are two different post I found interesting and thought I would
>share with this NG. I'm sure some of you will not appreciate this post,
DUDE THIS IS SO CREEPY!
YOU PROBABLY BELIEVED THAT SHIT ABOUT NOSTRADAMUS PREDICTING SEPT 11 TOO!
YOU COCKSUCKER!
GotPlan
>
>On 28 May 2002, DRSMITH666 took a pretty crayon and scrawled :
>
>> Reguardless, did you do this as a way of dissuading him from reading
>> the Satanic Bible?? I think he would need to read BOTH to make an
>> informed decision. But I like this "Mike Brady" style of parenting you
>> display though. Bravo. But let him read the book - anyway.
>
>I didn't stop him from reading the book; I don't censor anything my kids
>read at their ages.
DUDE THAT'S LIKE HANDING THEM ANIMAL PORN
IF THEY CAN READ WHATEVER THEY WANT, YOU KNOW THEY HAVE "WOMEN FUCKING HORSES"
STUFFED UNDER THEIR PILLOWS
I just wanted him to see that LaVey was really no
>better than some of the people in the organized religions he was so
>against. Like many evangelists and faith healers, LaVey used his church as
>a vehicle for fame and financial gain.
>
>--
>[tv]
>
>...Oh yea? If you're so smart, why don't I understand you?
>
>Note antispam measures in address if replying via email
>
>
>
>
>
>
______________________
GotPlan
>It was ALL phony, Doc. Why would you associate with such an obviously
>fraudulent organization?
DUDE THIS IS THE KISS NEWSGROUP, SO WE ALL DO
AJ
problem is he did not actually believe what he himself preached. His
Satanic Bible was conceived by Avon Books, who approached LaVey with the
idea; their intention being to cash in on the Satanism and witchraft
craze of the 60s. Pressed for material to meet Avon's deadline, LaVey
resorted to plagiarism, assembling extracts from an obscure 1896 tract,
"Might is Right" by Ragnar Redbeard.
Another third of the Satanic Bible consists of John Dee's "Enochian
Keys", taken directly from Aleister Crowley's "Equinox". One of the
Church of Satan's central doctrines, "Nine Satanic Statements", is a
paraphrase of passages from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".
Ever wonder what the words "Yankee Rose" at the end of the Satanic Bible
mean? It's the title of an old song LaVey performed during his days as a
nightclub entertainer.
The guy was as phony as a 3-dollar bill... and his church, even at its
height of popularity, never had the hundreds of thousands of members he
claimed. His family, along with former associates of the church, place
its peak membership at around 300 people.
*Wow, you just confirmed everything I always suspected about Anton
LaVey. I did read the Satanic Bible and I must admit that I agree a lot
with some of the teachings in the book, for example, putting your needs
first and standing up for yourself and striving for your goals. But I
always felt that the book was somewhat fake and whenever I saw LaVey on
TV giving a interview, I always felt like he was not being truthful and
just putting on a show.
Tattoo Vampire
> I'm not really concerned with the specifics concerning the compilation
The Satanic Bible is a masterpiece of copy-and-paste. There's nothing
original in the entire book; LaVey's "if it feels good and doesn't hurt
others, do it" spiel was merely an echo of the sentiment of the times.
How can the Satanic Bible imbue any relevant philosophy when it's merely
a compilation of others' ideas? LaVey's followers can best be described
as pop Satanists... they were into it for the trappings and the
permissiveness of lifestyle, not because of a genuine belief in the
existence or power of Satan.
--
[tv]
...All answers questioned here.
Tattoo Vampire
> *Wow, you just confirmed everything I always suspected about Anton
> LaVey. I did read the Satanic Bible and I must admit that I agree a lot
> with some of the teachings in the book, for example, putting your needs
> first and standing up for yourself and striving for your goals. But I
> always felt that the book was somewhat fake and whenever I saw LaVey on
> TV giving a interview, I always felt like he was not being truthful and
> just putting on a show.
Exactly. He had charisma and people naturally wanted to follow him and be
like him. But his brand of easy Satanism is merely hedonism mixed with
black magic.
--
[tv]
...Never stand between a fire hydrant and a dog.
Killer Rabbit
"Tattoo Vampire" <DVKQZS...@spammotel.commm> wrote in message
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I just have to interject something here....How come when I mentioned that I
don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to treat others
with the same respect in which I want to receive, I got slammed and put down
for it (coerced to show justification for my belief). But the idea of
Satanism is socially acceptable? I mean, to each his own and all, but I
don't get it. Buddhism is slammed as being "crap", but a huckster like
LaVey is revered as innovative? Weird.
Lori =^.^=
--
"Yeah, just keep on thinking it's my fault, and stay an inch or two out of
kicking distance!"
( Megadeth - "Sweating Bullets" )
AJ
that I don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to
treat others with the same respect in which I want to receive,
*That is word for word what the Satanic bible teaches.
I got slammed and put down for it (coerced to show justification for my
belief). But the idea of Satanism is socially acceptable?
*No not really, it might be tolerated but I don't think America will
ever accept Satanism socially.
Killer Rabbit
"AJ" <KISS...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9791-3CF...@storefull-2275.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Killer Rabbit wrote,
I just have to interject something here....How come when I mentioned
that I don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to
treat others with the same respect in which I want to receive,
*That is word for word what the Satanic bible teaches.
--------------------
Not quite...My husband has read it (when he was a teenager) and that is
still a much more negetive veiw than what we believe. We avoid negativity
to the best of our ability. It clouds us and stops us from progressing
forward.
I got slammed and put down for it (coerced to show justification for my
belief). But the idea of Satanism is socially acceptable?
*No not really, it might be tolerated but I don't think America will
ever accept Satanism socially.
----------------
AJ, not trying to beat a dead horse, but it *was* you who had attacked my
belief and suggested that it was "wrong" thinking and here you are saying
that you pretty much agree with something that I feel is quite extreme and
negative. I don't know...I took to be quite an irony. This is all I'm
going to say regarding this (I am not going to go back on the religion
issue!!)
BTW, yes, I did see Episode 2 on Monday. ;-)
Lori =^.^=
DRSMITH666
>*Wow, you just confirmed everything I always suspected about Anton
>LaVey.
No, he didn't really "confirm" anything. It's funny how all of this stuff is
being said when Mr. LaVey is no longer here to defend himself. It says right in
the Satanic Bible that the rituals were based upon the teachings of Aleister
Crowley. And it's never been a secret that the Enochian Calls were published in
the equinox - indeed they were around LONG BEFORE CROWLEY. The Enochian Keys in
the satanic bible ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT CROWLEY PRINTED. Read them for
yourself, both Enochian and English translations and you'll see.
While your post was informative and interesting to read, it in no way detracts
from the value of the Satanic Bible. You seemed to have made your mind up in
the beginning, and sought out those who would verify your suspicions
DRSMITH666
>like him. But his brand of easy Satanism is merely hedonism mixed with
>black magic.
He explores the question in the Satanic Bible (if you would even bother reading
the book rather than all of the people trying to prove something about LaVey) -
why not just call this "Humanism" instead of "Satanism"? I won't give you the
answer.
Wesley
> I just have to interject something here....How come when I mentioned that
I
> don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to treat
others
> with the same respect in which I want to receive, I got slammed and put
down
> for it (coerced to show justification for my belief). But the idea of
> Satanism is socially acceptable? I mean, to each his own and all, but I
> don't get it. Buddhism is slammed as being "crap", but a huckster like
> LaVey is revered as innovative? Weird.
YES. Weird. I think Buddhism is better because it has peaceful. I don't like
satan? the man with red face and 2 horn and fork tail?
Johnfwolfe
>reading the book rather than all of the people trying to prove something about
LaVey)
>answer.
---------------------------------------------
If the book is anything like that terrible movie where
Schwarzenegger battled Satan, I ain't interested.
Tattoo Vampire
> I just have to interject something here....How come when I mentioned
> that I don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to
> treat others with the same respect in which I want to receive, I got
> slammed and put down for it (coerced to show justification for my
> belief). But the idea of Satanism is socially acceptable? I mean, to
> each his own and all, but I don't get it. Buddhism is slammed as
> being "crap", but a huckster like LaVey is revered as innovative?
> Weird.
It's because it's the <gasp> the Prince of Darkness we're talking about
(no, not Ozzy)... People who desire to make the ultimate statement against
God find Satanism attractive. What better way to thumb your nose at the
world than to embrace a religion that enshrines someone who so many see as
the embodiment of evil? I'd guess that of those who actually joined LaVey's
group, many joined out of the excitement of doing something forbidden, and
not because they actually swallowed LaVey's claptrap.
--
[tv]
...We die only once, and for such a long time.
Tattoo Vampire
> If the book is anything like that terrible movie where
> Schwarzenegger battled Satan, I ain't interested.
The movie is better than LaVey's book. ;-) I read through the copy of
LaVey's book that my son had brought home and sorry, it just doesn't grab
me. In fact, people looking for anything shocking or truly relevant will be
disappointed. The Satanic Bible is basically nothing more than a guide to
living a life of self-indulgence. LaVey threw in the Satanic trappings to
sell books, recruit members and obtain publicity.
--
[tv]
...Math illiteracy affects eight of every five people.
Johnfwolfe
>
>It's because it's the <gasp> the Prince of Darkness we're talking about
>(no, not Ozzy)... People who desire to make the ultimate statement against
>God find Satanism attractive.
What better way to thumb your nose at the
>world than to embrace a religion that enshrines someone who so many see as
>the embodiment of evil?
------------------------------------------------
Those goofs worship John Tesh?
Tattoo Vampire
> He explores the question in the Satanic Bible (if you would even
> bother reading the book rather than all of the people trying to prove
> something about LaVey) - why not just call this "Humanism" instead of
> "Satanism"? I won't give you the answer.
Humanists and Satanists share many of the same beliefs. However:
Humanists value reason over faith, and knowledge based on evidence rather
than simple belief. They reject the concept of God or other similar
supernatural guiding intelligence, and regard man as supreme. From this
belief naturally follows a rejection of a created universe in favor of the
theory of evolution, and a universe that obeys natural laws. They reject
divinely inspired ethical and moral codes in favor of codes derived by
human reason.
Satanists believe that Satan is unrelated to the modern concept of the
Christian devil. They look upon Satan as a God who represents the carnal
and earthly aspects of life. He is not a being but rather a force of
nature. Among other things they believe in indulgence, not abstinence;
vengeance, not turning the other cheek; that man as just another animal and
the most vicious of all; and gratification of all one's desires.
Because they do not believe in an afterlife or a heaven, Humanists tend to
attempt to make a difference for the good. Essentially, this life is your
one shot, and there's nothing after you die, so do all the good you can
while you're alive. The thoughts and feelings of others are just as
important as your own.
LaVey's Satanism is at its core a selfish ideology. Its followers are less
concerned with mankind as a whole than they are with what the INDIVIDUAL
thinks is good for him or her. Practice the Christian seven deadly sins
with enthusiasm. It's the "me first" religion.
--
[tv]
...The individual is the smallest minority.
Killer Rabbit
"Tattoo Vampire" <DVKQZS...@spammotel.commm> wrote in message
Bravo on your post! You've nailed down the differences very well. The
"individual" aspect is very negative to me. While I believe in karma and a
balance of nature, I am also a *huge* believer in evolution. My husband and
I have discussed the evolution of man and Earth at great lengths. What we
believe boils down to one thing...nature evolves out of necessity (because
it has to), not by design or a "master plan". But I digress...sorry, should
be evolving at the moment. ;-)
Hidell
Exactly. Do unto others as you would have done to you. A simple
philosophy made really cool by somehow tying it to a an all powerful goat-man
who posesses a South American nun every couple hundred years.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tell all the truth but tell it slant
Hidell
It's not unlike the KISS Army really. Both cults are led by bald guys
wearing capes.
Hidell
>single time.
Hey Dolt. Did they make you paint a fingernail red and drink blood out of
a golden goblet?
I mean, if Sammy Davis Jr. did it, there's no reason why you shouldn't
have.
Hidell
>mean? It's the title of an old song LaVey performed during his days as a
>nightclub entertainer.
Now I know why whenever I play my copy of 'Eat 'em and Smile' backwards, I
hear David Lee Roth telling me to go dissect my grandmother with a spork.
Tattoo Vampire
> It's not unlike the KISS Army really. Both cults are led by bald
> guys
> wearing capes.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
--
[tv]
...A single fact can spoil a good argument.
Tattoo Vampire
> Bravo on your post! You've nailed down the differences very well.
> The "individual" aspect is very negative to me. While I believe in
> karma and a balance of nature, I am also a *huge* believer in
> evolution. My husband and I have discussed the evolution of man and
> Earth at great lengths. What we believe boils down to one
> thing...nature evolves out of necessity (because it has to), not by
> design or a "master plan". But I digress...sorry, should be evolving
> at the moment. ;-)
I'd have to classify myself as an Agnostic... there's the possibility of a
deity of some type existing in this universe. But this being, if it does
exist, is likely something we could not even understand, and the chance of
ever being able to comprehend or understand it is remote. We will likely
never know with certainty that this deity exists, and I believe such an
entity would have no impact on human affairs or natural events.
--
[tv]
...There's at least one fool in every married couple.
Tattoo Vampire
> No, he didn't really "confirm" anything. It's funny how all of this
> stuff is being said when Mr. LaVey is no longer here to defend
> himself. It says right in the Satanic Bible that the rituals were
> based upon the teachings of Aleister Crowley. And it's never been a
> secret that the Enochian Calls were published in the equinox - indeed
> they were around LONG BEFORE CROWLEY. The Enochian Keys in the satanic
> bible ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT CROWLEY PRINTED. Read them for
> yourself, both Enochian and English translations and you'll see.
Friend, LaVey had plenty of detractors while he was still alive, and many
of them were quite vocal while he was still alive.
He was a con man,plain and simple, and his church was founded on lies. He
fed his followers lies to make them believers. They even claimed he died on
Halloween, 1997, when he actually died on October 29. I cannot understand
anyone who would subscribe to a religion founded by a flim-flam artist.
(And there are many other religions that fall in this category as well!)
> While your post was informative and interesting to read, it in no way
> detracts from the value of the Satanic Bible. You seemed to have made
> your mind up in the beginning, and sought out those who would verify
> your suspicions
I made my mind up after reading some of his book and doing a little
research on Mr. Anton LaVey. He even lied about Anton Szandor LaVey being
his birth name; his real name was Howard Stanton Levey.
GotPlan
>I just have to interject something here....How come when I mentioned that I
>don't believe in God, believe in a peaceful co-existence and to treat others
>with the same respect in which I want to receive, I got slammed and put down
>for it (coerced to show justification for my belief). But the idea of
>Satanism is socially acceptable? I mean, to each his own and all, but I
>don't get it. Buddhism is slammed as being "crap", but a huckster like
>LaVey is revered as innovative? Weird.
>
LORI CAT
THE PEOPLE WHO SLAMMED YOU ARE GUTLESS COCKSUCKERS AND I CAN KICK THEIR ASSES
GotPlan
>Killer=A0Rabbit wrote,
THANKS FOR MISSING THE POINT, BJ,
GO FUCK BECKY
AJ
You seemed to have made your mind up in the beginning, and sought out
those who would verify your suspicions
*Don't get me wrong. I thought the book was indeed a good book. I was
talking about Anton LaVey himself. I thought he was more of a showman
than a priest. For example if you ever get the chance to read Long road
out of Hell, by Marilyn Manson, he talks about how Anton made this
elaborate entrance into the room when he invited MM to his house for the
first time. I still think that his teachings were good for some people,
but he really didn't need to use the devil as an icon in his religion.
Most of his beliefs were about self improvement, and you really don't
need any God or idol to that that for yourself. You know what I mean?
I'm not saying the man was a fake, because I think he really did believe
most of the things he said, but I feel that he tried to hype it up more
than what it really was. I do find his teachings interesting.
AJ
*What did you think about the movie?
Killer Rabbit
> Lori wrote,
> BTW, yes, I did see Episode 2 on Monday. ;-)
>
> *What did you think about the movie?
>
I thought it was a 100% better than Episode 1! I really enjoyed it and
can't wait for the DVD release (another year, perhaps?). You were right
about the romance part...as much as I thought they were pushing it a bit, it
was integral to the whole storyline. I think I'm going to read the
unabridged version to see if there was anything they omitted from the movie
(The book for Ep.1 had more details, less holes in the storyline.) The fight
scene between Anakin and Dooku was quite intense and reminded me of the
fight scene in Episode 6 with Vader and Luke. The Yoda/Dooku scene cracked
my son up! The only thing about watching Ep.1 and 2 (and eventually 3) is
that they are a bit depressing. You *know* how it's going to be and who
will die, etc. Did you
catch all the subtle references to Ep. 4,5 and 6? Most of them my husband
and son missed and I had to tell him where they were in the movie! ;-)
Killer Rabbit
"Carcamannu" <fun.f...@inwind.it> wrote in message
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> Lori , is the seat of the cinema big enough for you ?
> or you take 2 seats ?
> your baby jump when ear the explosions in the movie ? LOL!
>
> aLEx
>
I'm pregnant, not fat!! I'm having a boy, so it's all in the front. I
haven't gotten any wider. The baby did move quite a bit during the movie,
but I think it was the popcorn and skittles making him do that. ;-)
Lori =^.^=
Carcamannu
or you take 2 seats ?
your baby jump when ear the explosions in the movie ? LOL!
aLEx
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GotPlan
>Message-id: <9790-3CF...@storefull-2275.public.lawson.webtv.net>
>
>Lori wrote,
>BTW, yes, I did see Episode 2 on Monday. ;-)
>
>*What did you think about the movie?
>
>
>
LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE, YOU ASSHOLE!
REMEMBER, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR GODDAMN PHONY WIFE!
FUCK YOU
Carcamannu
Lucky you , my wife gone wide ( i have 2 daughters ) and when i hold her i
always say : " Silvia when i married you , you were in 4:3 , now you are in
16:9 " LOL!!!!!
I remember when my wife was pregnant that the baby start jumpin' when the
music start - looks great !!
aLEx
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Killer Rabbit
"Carcamannu" <fun.f...@inwind.it> wrote in message
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> oh i see !
> Lucky you , my wife gone wide ( i have 2 daughters ) and when i hold her i
> always say : " Silvia when i married you , you were in 4:3 , now you are
in
> 16:9 " LOL!!!!!
> I remember when my wife was pregnant that the baby start jumpin' when the
> music start - looks great !!
>
> aLEx
>
LOL! I've noticed that when a women carries a girl, they get wide (butt and
stomach!). When you carry a boy, you stick straight out! This is my second
boy, and it has been true so far. I've been lucky this time around, I've
only gained 20 pounds (I only have about 3 weeks left, too). With my first
one I gained 64 pounds! I eat better now (lots more vegetables and less
junk food) so it will be easier to lose the weight after I have the baby.
Lori =^.^=
DRSMITH666
>concerned with mankind as a whole than they are with what the INDIVIDUAL
>thinks is good for him or her. Practice the Christian seven deadly sins
>with enthusiasm. It's the "me first" religion.
Who do you think you are fooling? YOU, SIR are a Satanist!!!! :)
DRSMITH666
>deity of some type existing in this universe. But this being, if it does
>exist, is likely something we could not even understand, and the chance of
>ever being able to comprehend or understand it is remote. We will likely
>never know with certainty that this deity exists, and I believe such an
>entity would have no impact on human affairs or natural events.
This is EXACTLY what LaVey says. You sir, are a Satanist!
DRSMITH666
>those who would verify your suspicions
AJ, for the record the above was directed at "Tats", but I will comment on what
you said anyway:
>I still think that his teachings were good for some people,
>but he really didn't need to use the devil as an icon in his religion.
There was a very very good reason for this.
DRSMITH666
>living a life of self-indulgence.
You say this like it's a bad thing.
Killer Rabbit
If only it was that easy!!! ;-)
Lori =^.^=
Tattoo Vampire
> This is EXACTLY what LaVey says. You sir, are a Satanist!
Hardly. Read what I wrote again, the read what LaVey wrote again.
--
[tv]
...He said: Smile, things could be worse! I did! They were!
Tattoo Vampire
> Who do you think you are fooling? YOU, SIR are a Satanist!!!! :)
Hush, Devil Boy. :-P
--
[tv]
...He said: Smile, things could be worse! I did! They were!
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Carcamannu
I bet it's not easy !!
aLex
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AJ
*Agreed.
I really enjoyed it and can't wait for the DVD release (another year,
perhaps?).
*I can't wait either. I think it will come out around Jan/Feb 03. (I
hope.)
You were right about the romance part...as much as I thought they were
pushing it a bit, it was integral to the whole storyline. I think I'm
going to read the unabridged version to see if there was anything they
omitted from the movie (The book for Ep.1 had more details, less holes
in the storyline.) The fight scene between Anakin and Dooku was quite
intense and reminded me of the fight scene in Episode 6 with Vader and
Luke.
*Well, now you know how he lost it the first time.
The Yoda/Dooku scene cracked my son up! The only thing about watching
Ep.1 and 2 (and eventually 3) is that they are a bit depressing. You
*know* how it's going to be and who will die, etc. Did you
catch all the subtle references to Ep. 4,5 and 6?
*Yes. Rumor has it that George Lucas is thinking about doing 7,8, and 9
after he gets finished filming episode 3. I hope he does.
AJ
haven't gotten any wider. The baby did move quite a bit during the
movie, but I think it was the popcorn and skittles making him do that.
;-)
*Maybe the force is stong with that one. :-)
Mick
Actually, I think I could write a better script.
Mick
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Bone Machine
>*I've also heard rumors that the house on the album cover is actually
>Anton Levay's house AKA the church of Satan, and some people believe you
>can see him in one of the windows standing there. Many believe that the
>Eagles are singing about their experience at the church of Satan.
>
This confirms my theory that The Eagles are actually in league with
Satan.
"There's one thing you can say about mankind,
there's nothing kind about man."
--Tom Waits
Bone Machine
>>It's because it's the <gasp> the Prince of Darkness we're talking about
>>(no, not Ozzy)... People who desire to make the ultimate statement against
>>God find Satanism attractive.
>What better way to thumb your nose at the
>>world than to embrace a religion that enshrines someone who so many see as
>>the embodiment of evil?
>------------------------------------------------
>
>Those goofs worship John Tesh?
Tesh was recently demoted to status of "Annoying little shit." The
true prince of darkness is actually David Hasselhoff.
GotPlan
YOU FUCKING NERD LOSER, AJ
GotPlan
>*Yes. Rumor has it that George Lucas is thinking about doing 7,8, and 9
>after he gets finished filming episode 3. I hope he does.
>
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
HE HAS SAID ALL FUCKING YEAR THAT HE IS DONE AFTER EPISODE 3!
FUCK YOU