@Urban Survival Rifle
Glen
is needed. What I want in a Urban Survival Weapon is either a
12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck or any of the so-called assault
weapons. If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
will most likely be charged with murder. 2-3 inch group at 25
yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
b4ed...@smtp.mvk.usace.army.mil
rgs...@hiwaay.net (Glen) wrote:
> I'm reading posts here that say a rifle that is accurate to 300+ yards
> is needed. What I want in a Urban Survival Weapon is either a
> 12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck or any of the so-called assault
> weapons.
I agree that a shotgun is a good choice in an urban situation.
But I wouldn't want to remain in the city. A rifle that will hit a
pie plate at 300 yards would be my choice in the country
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> If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
> enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
> will most likely be charged with murder. 2-3 inch group at 25
> yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
> be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
>
A 10 yard group? I don't think I want to be there. Killing
innocent bystanders is frowned on. And bystanders, innocent or not,
are liable to become irate and shoot back.
Russ
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> > If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
> > enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
> > will most likely be charged with murder. 2-3 inch group at 25
> > yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
> > be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
> >
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> A 10 yard group? I don't think I want to be there. Killing
> innocent bystanders is frowned on. And bystanders, innocent or not,
> are liable to become irate and shoot back.
a 2-3 inch group at 25 yards? You can't get any tighter than that? at 25
yards, the group should be very tight. I shoot a 2-3 inch group at 250 yards
with my scoped rifle. And NO ONE should ever be happy with a 10 yard group at
25 yards. That's simply preposterous!
Jeff Williams
>
> I'm reading posts here that say a rifle that is accurate to 300+ yards
> is needed. What I want in a Urban Survival Weapon is either a
> 12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck or any of the so-called assault
> enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
So long as you only ever need to work close; my back fence is 87
yards away. You might want to reconsider if it is feasible that you
might have to shoot at someone sheltered by a car; you have those
in your town, do you not?
> will most likely be charged with murder. 2-3 inch group at 25
> yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
> be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I got better groups with hand grenades. :)
Seriously, I like a 12 gauge, but you must consider its limitations.
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You live and learn, or you don't live long.
RolfN
texas_...@rocketmail.com wrote in article
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> > If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
> > enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
> > yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
> > be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
> >
> > innocent bystanders is frowned on. And bystanders, innocent or not,
> > are liable to become irate and shoot back.
>
> a 2-3 inch group at 25 yards? You can't get any tighter than that? at 25
> yards, the group should be very tight. I shoot a 2-3 inch group at 250
yards
group at
> 25 yards. That's simply preposterous!
[snip]
I think he meant a 10 INCH group at 25 yards. I hope so, anyway. A 10"
group at 25 yards? With a good rest, scoped rifle, no time constraints, and
good conditions, yah, that'd suck pretty bad. OTOH, I'd be quite happy with
that if shooting off-handed, moving, while getting shot at, without the
morning cup'a java, and in my skivvies. Yes, I'd be happy indeed. Context
makes all the difference, doesn't it?
Just my two cents worth.
Glen
>
>
>> > If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
>> > enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
>> > will most likely be charged with murder. 2-3 inch group at 25
>> > yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
>> > be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
>> >
>> A 10 yard group? I don't think I want to be there. Killing
>> innocent bystanders is frowned on. And bystanders, innocent or not,
>> are liable to become irate and shoot back.
>
>a 2-3 inch group at 25 yards? You can't get any tighter than that? at 25
>yards, the group should be very tight. I shoot a 2-3 inch group at 250 yards
>with my scoped rifle. And NO ONE should ever be happy with a 10 yard group at
>25 yards. That's simply preposterous!
Boing,missed point.
Point = in the heat of battle most people are going to make inaccurate shots.
The heat of battle, your nerves are no what they used to be.
Glen
>Glen wrote:
>>
>> I'm reading posts here that say a rifle that is accurate to 300+ yards
>> is needed. What I want in a Urban Survival Weapon is either a
>> 12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck or any of the so-called assault
>> enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
>
>yards away. You might want to reconsider if it is feasible that you
>might have to shoot at someone sheltered by a car; you have those
>in your town, do you not?
>
>> yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
>> be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
>I got better groups with hand grenades. :)
>
>Seriously, I like a 12 gauge, but you must consider its limitations.
>
about. Arm chair quarter backs can tell it like it is. LOL
If you do your practicing from a bench rest shooting 1 hole
groups, you are doing it wrong. When TSHTF you won't be at a
bench rest and you won't be shooting 1 hole groups.
Jeff Williams
I spent several years playing laser tag courtesy of Uncle Sam; I
understand the
principle. Bench rest shooting is valuable, as is snap/point shooting.
I would
argue that any form of shooting where you are concentrating and
practicing good
techniques is useful. If the only way you can shoot is fully prepared,
from a
bench, then you are lacking some skills. If you are unable to use the
sights
to engage a target that is farther than you can urinate you are also
lacking
skills.
Make your own assessment.
GP40X
>If you do your practicing from a bench rest shooting 1 hole
>groups, you are doing it wrong. When TSHTF you won't be at a
>bench rest and you won't be shooting 1 hole groups.
I tried a little experiment with my "Sport Utility Rifle" at the range about
two weeks ago. Shooting from a standing position with a "Hasty sling" to hold
the rifle a little tighter, I dumped 60 rounds at a man sized silhouette target
at 65 yards {indoor range} & 53 of the rounds hit in the black. It looked more
like a shotgun pattern than a rifle group but there were a lot of hole in that
target {frest target no holes covered by markers}. I fired the rounds in
approxamately 105 seconds {including the magazine change}. Basicly I was
trying to see how fast my trigger finger worked. Weapon was a Colt "Sporter"
R6601 HBAR grandfathered rifle in "Roots-Rossi" configuration {POST-Bush-ban
Pre 94 ban, A2 sights, 1 in 7 chrome lined barrel, A2 flash hider, pistol grip,
NO bayo lug, sear block & non standard Colt .170 diameter triger & hammer
pins}. The barrel was literally smoking at the end of the test. While the
owner thought it was funny {and knew I was going to do it}, some of the patrons
at the pistol range thought it was automatic fire {I got a real fast trigger
finger}. The point being while I use a bench rest to sight my rifle in, I
generally try to practice hitting the target using prone, kneeling & standing
positions {both supported & unsupported} for a better mark of what I can do in
a "Real World" situation. ****NOTE**** This test was with elcheepo Gun Show 55
grain reloads. So in a survival situation @ approxamately 50 yards, my wife
AND I both firing AR-15 at a target like that AND my 13 year old son firing
Federal "Tactical" 00 buck out of te Moosburg 590 w/ Ghost Ring Sights AND my 9
year old daughter firing her 10/22 as fast as she can, there is a LOT of
supressive fire being laid out & NO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS NECESSARY. {Urban
scenario, not able to run for the hills} Now if I need to reach out & touch
someone, grab the Mauser or Remington in .308 with the scope, two entirely
different situtions.
Bill Belsher
NRA
TSRA
Christian, American, heterosexual, PRO-GUN, conservative. Any Questions?
P.S. If I mispelled anything, "fumble fingers again". I'm a mechanic, NOT a
typissttt {opps}.
don
: In article <6rcvp2$brm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, texas_...@rocketmail.com wrote:
: >
: >
: >> > If they arew reasonably accurate at 25 yards it's good
: >> > enough. In the U.S. if you shoot someone at 300+ yeard you
: >> > yards is good enough for me. In the heat of battle you should
: >> > be happy with a 10 yard group at 25 yards.
: >> ========================================================================
: >> A 10 yard group? I don't think I want to be there. Killing
: >> innocent bystanders is frowned on. And bystanders, innocent or not,
: >> are liable to become irate and shoot back.
: >
: >yards, the group should be very tight. I shoot a 2-3 inch group at 250 yards
: >25 yards. That's simply preposterous!
: Boing,missed point.
: Point = in the heat of battle most people are going to make inaccurate shots.
: The heat of battle, your nerves are no what they used to be.
Most people, not ALL people. If you want to be able to survive a gun
battle, you need to learn how to shoot fast and accurate under pressure.
If you notice, the people who were good at this kind of thing practiced
a lot. Hathcock, Brown (of Resolution Island), York, etc. Notice that almost all of
them grew up hunting . . .
Don