Druid Days...
Mark
After just joining this newsgroup and observing the posts, I have come
to the following conclusions:
1. Whoever Druid Days is, he/she is extremely ignorant and is clearly
jealous of WmWallace as he obviously made the cut, did the job and
survived to tell about it.
2. Druid Days' time is now left to create meaningless web pages and to
harass knowledgeable people for lack of better things to do .
To summarize my thoughts regarding this newsgroups and the many
worthless posts and personal attacks carried out, I think it is at
best entertaining. Would I bet on any of the information posted, hell
no. Will I ever read another one of Druid Days worthless posts?
I doubt it. Do I think she needs to get back into AA/NA and possibly
get his/her ass locked back up in jail where it belongs? Most
definetly!
Kenneth C Stahl
Part of the problem is that except for Ralph McGhee, I am the only other former CIA officer
who is posting here. I imagine that there are a lot of Agency lurkers, but they have been
informed that they are not supposed to get involved with discussions here. There are also a
lot of Agency wannabes who express a lot of opinions regarding the workings of the Agency,
but when it comes down to it the only information they have ever had access to is that which
is published in newspapers, magazines and my web pages.
I spent most of my 11 years in the Office of Communication and as a result I had access to
the electronic communications between Langley and field sites. I was also involved in covert
ops and actually served at the Mogadishu, Addis Ababa, N'djamena and Lubumbashi stations
where I hand-carried message traffic to the COS. I have also visited the Farm on two
seperate occasions for seminars (I even know all about the deer that proliferate on that
site).
The Agency considers me to be a "hostile" these days. A "disgruntled former employee" as
they put it. But considering that they are 100% responsible for the reasons that I am
disgruntled they cannot expect me to just be silent and accept what they did.
A Corbett wrote:
> May I add a #3 sir?
> Most of the posts on this ng are self-serving and pointless. Very little that has to do
> with the CIA and, as a rule, more about politics and religion. Guess we can't get away
> from those subjects even if we try!
> A Corbett
DeadCosmonautJim
Who gives a rat's ass about your opinion? Druid days is operating under
alternate routes than you and not only do you attack such ideals but then
go one to call Druid "ignorant". How do you figure? Ignorant is reserved
for narrow mind and the undereducated and people who see only a limites
spectrum of the universe. Druid does not classify any of the above. If
you're intersted in posting opinions, then perhaps you can take one: leave
Druid alone. Live and let live.
--
"If we shadows have offended think but this and all is mended that you
have but slumb'red here while these visions did appear." - A Midsummer
Night's Dream
"A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday, does not
know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do. We are trying
to do a futile thing if we do not know where we came from or what
we have been about."
-Woodrow Wilson
Mark <surf...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<3592F641...@earthlink.net>...
> After just joining this newsgroup and observing the posts, I have come
> to the following conclusions:
>
> 1. Whoever Druid Days is, he/she is extremely ignorant and is clearly
> jealous of WmWallace as he obviously made the cut, did the job and
> survived to tell about it.
>
> 2. Druid Days' time is now left to create meaningless web pages and to
> harass knowledgeable people for lack of better things to do .
>
formerCAG
>Who gives a rat's ass about your opinion?
Who gives a rats' ass about yours or Druids for that matter?
>Druid days is operating under alternate routes than you and not only >do
you attack such ideals but then go one to call Druid "ignorant".
>How do you figure? Ignorant is reserved for narrow mind and the
>undereducated and people who see only a limites spectrum of the >universe.
Alternate routes?? That's a nice way to say she is clueless...
No Jim, ignorant is reserved for idiots like you who defend other idiots.
And while we're talking about IGNORANT people, you could probably qualify as
a rather ignorant person in regards to spelling and grammar. Do you ever
run spell checker on your posts Jim? I could hardly read the crap. See
above.. limites, and below, intersted. So Jim, piss off!
>Druid does not classify any of the above. If you're intersted in >posting
opinions, then perhaps you can take one: leave Druid >alone. Live and let
live.
I beg to differ! Let me also classify you as a complete idiot. By the
way... My spectrum of my universe is as wide as a crack hoe's bootie hole...
Whatever the hell that means.. maybe you can tell me. You're about as far
out as they come DeadCosmonautJim!
Edward
"..crack hoe's botie hole" that sounds like a crack whore's body hole. Yes!
That should about sum up the total intellect on this NG, including mine
because I take the time to actually read this stuff.
...............
formerCAG wrote in message <6n3btl$7kv$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
boydman
A bit of banter here, so go to the bottom
formerCAG wrote:
>
> >Who gives a rat's ass about your opinion?
> Who gives a rats' ass about yours or Druids for that matter?
>
> >Druid days is operating under alternate routes than you and not only
>do
> you attack such ideals but then go one to call Druid "ignorant".
> >How do you figure? Ignorant is reserved for narrow mind and the
> >undereducated and people who see only a limites spectrum of the
>universe.
> Alternate routes?? That's a nice way to say she is clueless...
> No Jim, ignorant is reserved for idiots like you who defend other idiots.
> And while we're talking about IGNORANT people, you could probably qualify as
> a rather ignorant person in regards to spelling and grammar. Do you ever
> run spell checker on your posts Jim? I could hardly read the crap. See
> above.. limites, and below, intersted. So Jim, piss off!
>
> >Druid does not classify any of the above. If you're intersted in
>posting
> opinions, then perhaps you can take one: leave Druid >alone. Live and let
> live.
>
> I beg to differ! Let me also classify you as a complete idiot. By the
> way... My spectrum of my universe is as wide as a crack hoe's bootie hole...
> Whatever the hell that means.. maybe you can tell me. You're about as far
> out as they come DeadCosmonautJim!
I agree with you here on people calling other ignorant, but as for
spelling, i know its easy to do spell checker, but sometimes it just
doesn't matter- correct spelling is courteous but a little bit pedantic.
The message is more important
XYZ
I have never been in the agency & never said that I was. I did spend over
21yrs in the mil (specops) & received a med retirement (100% SC). I did,
however, work with agency people, usually contractors. This was in
central/south america, Lebanon, etc.......
I didn't want there to be any confusion about this.
J.A.
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <3593D475...@Unforgettable.com>...
WmWallace!
Yeah, so there's no confusion on me, let me say that I DID work at the
agency (that's the C fucking IA). Worked under Dept of State cover as
foreign affairs officer for awhile as well as Army. Enjoyed myself
immensely! AO was--the world. Lebanon, Iraq, Israel, Sudan, Yemen,
India (lots of shit there), Iran, numerous islands in Persian Gulf,
Mexico, Ireland, Britain, Germany and Bosnia. There may have been
others that slip my mind at the moment.
To be abudantly clear, let me repost something I posted back on
28Jun98 in response to Stahl's post.
REPOST DATE: 28Jun98
To: Ken Stahl
You are arrogant to claim that you (and Ralph) are the only former CIA
officer to post here.
Your opinion is based upon what evidence? In addition, what evidence
do you offer which supports your claim to have been an Officer? Deer
lurking around the Farm? Give me a break!
I too know about the deer "lurking" at the Farm; I also know about the
railway depot (down the main road, take a left after the big left hand
turn by the chapel) where trainees receive issued items like BDUs,
boots, etc. I also know about the great milk machine in the cafeteria
(yeah, the same cafeteria that you walk up four steps to enter...the
one who's food line starts on the right with seating to the left as
you enter...the same cafeteria with the expandable room dividers which
keep language classes from hearing the rest of the room speaking in
English, etc), the same cafeteria which is just down the street from
the new barracks (yeah, the same ones that put two trainees in a room
and you share a bathroom with two other trainees next door).
All of these buildings are on the same side of the fucking street as
the gym (do you know about the gym Ken? The rope climb hanging in back
left corner? The free weight room on your immediate left as you enter?
The one with the punching bag across basketball court.) How about the
pool (the one in the screened room...not the outdoor pool up near the
conference center. According to Druid, you probably don't know about
the gym...
You carried shit to the COS as a comm weenie--good for you. I'm not a
disgruntled former employee, as you are. My boys and I weren't
"posted" anywhere for any length of time. We were "dispatched" to
areas needing "attention," however. I think you probably ran into
some of us from time to time, Ken. We were referred to as "knuckle
dragging cave dwellers" from the third floor. We trained others and
if not doing that we operated anywhere in the world in crisis
situations at any time of the day/night when "suits" could not get the
job done. Other than the Farm, Harvey or on campus (No LIBERALS, HQ
is referred to as the Campus--I'm not talking about a university) we
were living in the fucking FIELD. You've been to the farm twice? I
fucking lived at the Farm and Harvey Point--ever been to the latter?
Symbolically, the message traffic you (and other comm guys) hand
carried to the COS was most likely CRITIC shit fired in from my boys
in the field who were actually COLLECTING the trash or if not it was
traffic from us REQUESTING an E&E plan to be executed because we were
in the hopper and needed a bird NOW!
You have made a name here by slamming out cheap, anti-cia stories with
Ralph--feeding into the anti-govt frenzy these morons in here love to
write about. You couldn't or weren't allowed to cut it in the group
and apparently are trying to make up for it here.
So write your shit, I don't care. But DO NOT speak when you do NOT
know. In this case you do NOT.
Should you have any UNCLASS questions about STC for your memory-book
(I'm sure you know what that is) fire them at me...I was there a
helluva a lot more than twice. Although my time was spent at the
FAB--not the cafeteria. If you took posts to the places you claimed,
then you probably took CTTC--if you took CTTC then you qual'd w/the
Hi-pwr, Winchester 1200, .38 and drove a little. FAB boys taught you
that shit. Knock, knock.
WmWallace!
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message
<3593D475...@Unforgettable.com>...
>Part of the problem is that except for Ralph McGhee, I am the only
other former CIA officer
Kenneth C Stahl
I didn't particularly read many of your previous posts, so I missed out
on seeing references to your association with the Agency. It was an
oversight rather than an intentional slight.
I started out with DOD cover (an USAF element out of Bolling AFB which I
never actually visited) and switched to integrated State cover before
heading off to Mogadishu. Later when I had domestic assignments I was
switched to nominal cover and then eventually had my cover lifted and
rolled back to day 1. Remember 6BOO?
STC - You mean "Special Training Center"?
Yes I ate in the cafeteria. For some reason I remember two dining rooms
with a central walkway where there were some coat hooks.
I only stuck my head in the gym once. I do remember seeing the swimming
pool in the basement through some windows along the sidewalk in front of
the building.
The first time I was down there I stayed in one of the barracks close to
the cafeteria. That time I was attending a seminar on the Kraft system
(known domestically as the WANG OIS system). The second time I stayed at a
different barracks which was about a mile from the cafeteria. I don't
remember the name of that building. That time I was attending a
"leadership" class for individuals in the GS11-GS14 range. I used to take
one of the many bicycles in order to get to the cafeteria. After hours I
would have a beer in the student bar which was across the street from the
barracks I was staying at and next to the barracks with the CT types
stayed. One night we even had a served sit-down meal in the "Officers
Club" complete with those funny metal lids that they put over plates to
keep the food warm. It was far enough from the barracks that they took us
over there by bus.
It doesn't bother me that I wasn't an actual spook type. I was a technical
specialist. I enjoyed my work. I just didn't like the way I was treated as
a person in my last few years. You guys had your own world. I don't
particularly approve of the assassinations and mercenary activities, but
that is just my opinion. If you believe that the Agency would be better
off without the technical weenies which made all other jobs possible, then
be my guest. Through the comm circuitry I could have a message sitting on
the President's desk within 10 minutes of the time that I transmitted it.
Snail mail still tends to take longer than that and doesn't tend to
produce action in terms of minutes rather than weeks.
I was never to Harvey Point so I know nothing of that facility. I did,
however, visit CPIC/East which was a focal point of activity for the
Continuity of Government project that was organized by the Agency. Also, I
was not a Career Trainee. Virtually no one in OC were unless they were
detailed to the DO.. Most of us were former military personnel who had
worked with communications or electronics and had held clearances before.
We were basically exempt from the training down at the farm (although
there were a few who went to bloc assignments who had to take the "Crash
and Bang" training down there - I wasn't one of them, but some of my
co-workers had been through that). The majority of my training took place
up at WTC Station B and I would spend evenings in the Manor House if I had
nothing else to do.
UNCLAS is spelled with one S, not two. We basically had to UNCLAS material
in comm channels unless it was ACP124 or JANAP-128 format. The Agency used
a modified form of ACP124 with a different format line 4 (ZNY XXXXX) then
genser formats which had a ZNY line based on classification or ZNR UUUUU
if unclassified. I was also familiar with the ZZH in format line four if
it was an ACP124 message produced by the DOS. I also knew of the ZZK for
NIACT. Back then there were 25 lines feeds from the end of the header to
the classification line of the messages themselves and 30 line feeds from
the end of the message
to the trailing BT. The AXENET routing indicator for headquarters was
RUEIQC. Your "CRITICS" had just a single destination routing indicator.
Format line two of those messages was "WW YEKAAH"
Are those sufficient bona fides?
OO RUQMBI RUDKND
DE RUEIQC #1111 0011234
ZNY XXXXX
O 011234Z JAN 85 ZZK ZFF4
BT
ZNY XXXXX
BEIR 005 LOND 135
If that isn't familiar to you, I at least caused a few hearts to leap into
throats with that one.
I am disgruntled because of what happened to me. If, in your opinion I
didn't "make the cut" because I didn't tolerate a drunken manager and
couldn't use sex to get an assignment, then you have a different view of
reality then I do. If I had been transferred into a job that had at least
the same amount of responsibility and prestige and had it been in keeping
with my GS-13 grade, then I wouldn't have had a complaint. Instead,
because I had used the grievance system, I was given less responsibility
than GS-7s and was told that I was not considered worthy to sit at the
same table with other departmental personnel when staff meetings were
held. You have no idea of what I went through and therefore you have no
understanding of why I am disgruntled. The Agency could have shut me up
long ago if they would have acknowledged that what they did was wrong and
that I had been discriminated against for being a single, white male.
The Agency was wrong for the way it treated me. I would have no beef
against them if I had been treated fairly and in accordance with my
professional skills. Ultimately I wasn't. I did nothing wrong back then.
But the agency ultimately felt it was more important to back a lieing SOB
manager who drank beer as a matter of habit while he was at work.
Again, my ommission of you was an oversight. Nothing more.
Kenneth C Stahl
After I sent my last reponse I remembered something that I had omitted and
it has to do with the gym. I remember now that the first time I was down
on the farm (for the Kraft training) the teachers organized a
student-teacher basketball game one evening and I watched it a couple
minutes but left before the game was over - basketball is basically a
silly boring game and I don't enjoy it very much. This was approximately
February 1987 if I remember right. The gym had just gotten some new
equipment like exercise bikes, weight machines, etc. - so new in fact that
it wasn't all assembled yet and there were signs on it saying not to use
it. They were sitting on one end of the gym awaiting final installation.
Still, I don't know of any rope - probably wasn't paying attention to any
detail like that.
So anyhow, I was wrong in saying that I had just stuck my head in once. I
was actually in there for probably a half an hour before I headed back to
my room.
Just as an interesting side note however, during WWII Camp Peary was used
by the Navy to train some of their SeaBees. I always have to get this
straight from my father, but it goes along the line that he went to Boot
Camp somewhere in either New Jersey or Maryland and was then sent down to
Camp Peary with his unit to get some more training and then he went down
to Shreveport, LA to get on a troop carrier that took him over to the
South Pacific. It was only well after the war that the property was turned
over to the Agency.
Druid days
Whoa, slow down there Dough Boy! Yes, you were at one time employed by the
C.I.A., but it has already been proven what you said happened during that
employment is bogus. A Judge threw the case out. It was invalid and did not
hold up in a court of law.
The C.I.A. is NOT in anyway responsible for events that did *NOT* happen.
***************************
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Kenneth C Stahl
thrown out because the Agency "bought" their justice. They asked the judge to
throw it out because they did not want the case to go to trial. They had already
tacitly admited that the case itself had merit - they just didn't want to deal
with the matter.
If my legal representation had been greater or if a few other things had been
different my case would have either been settled or it would have gone to a jury.
Unfortunately I did not have sufficient money to overcome the government's bribes
that were given to court officials.
I do wish you would do your homework better. It is so boring for a teacher to
have a student who will not learn.
This will also be the last time I warn you about using the moniker "Dough Boy".
That is considered a personal attack and probably will not be tolerated by the
net.abuse folks. You may refer to me by name, but you shall not make up
disparaging nicknames for me.
Edward
Should that be; "...up on the Farm for Craft Training."? Of course one never
knows the Agency now may have a dairy Farm making Kraft Cheese.<G>
......................
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <359934A5...@Unforgettable.com>...
Kenneth C Stahl
I knew there was never any real difference betweent the version which was used
at HQ and that which was used in the field. Both were tempested. Once a year the
DO entity (I no longer remember its designation) would hold a "conference" for
system administrators down at the Farm. It was basically assumed that all
attendees had done at least some system administration,but the thngs taught at
the seminar were meant to augment their skills.
It was during the conference that I attended that I pointed out a serious
security flaw in the system. At first they just dismissed it as a meaningless
fluke but after further examination they did an "oh shit". They quickly coded a
fix for the login security and then hand-carried it to every site over a
two-week period. The weakness was serious enough that it could have resulted in
a major compromise. It was so serious that they didn't even permit any message
traffic regarding the problem and the COS of each effected station was only
brief when the team arrived at his location. They did have instructions on how
it could be detected if anyone had actually gained access to the system, but in
the long run if they were cleaver enough to exploit that particular weakness
then they were also smart enough to cover their trail. For discovering this flaw
I was awarded $1500 - which seemed like a lot of money at the time. It also
helped me get my GS13 quite a bit faster then normal. Within the DA it was
considered very abnormal for someone to reach the GS13 level before having 10
years with the agency. My promotion date was 1 December 1989 and my EOD had been
12 January 1981.
What made it worse, however, is that Wang had actually discovered the flaw
shortly before I did but they had opted to just slip the code changes into the
next version without saying exactly what they were for. When the Agency
confronted them with the problem they admitted that they had discovered it.
WmWallace!
Good, very good. 6B00, end of the main hall, take left, go to the
end, have a seat after signing name at register, read boring ass
magazine and wait on someone to "hook you up." Or you could drop
down three floors to the same area, and instead of going straight down
the hall you could hook a right at the end and enter the DOMAIN OF
PARAMILITARY! HOOORAH!!
STC, yes you are correct Special Training Center.
I always wanted to round up those bikes and hide them...make the
students jog a little more. Many of them who came to us were fatter
than shit.
Yeah the O club was near the water, also by the pool. It was a great
place to cut up. Had a seminar on NOCs there once, too. NOC-dom
sucked. Scary shit--didn't like it, wouldn't do it again. Give me a
weapon, no cover other than darkness and no business to conduct with
another human being other than blowing up their structures or firing
lead at them and I'll be fine. Extract me ON TIME, at the correct
LatLon OR whenever I send my request and I'll be even BETTER.
Regarding the spelling of UNCLASS as UNCLAS let's just add to the list
for the newbies and wannabe's
U.S. Security Classifications
TOP SECRET (TS)
[Markings shown in parentheses are accepted abbreviations. For
example, you could just put (TS) on a document, instead of top secret]
SECRET (S)
CONFIDENTIAL
SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION (SCI)
[Very secret intelligence information, access to which requires
background and lifestyle polygraph]
DISSEMINATION AND EXTRACTION OF INFORMATION CONTROLLED BY ORIGINATOR
(ORCON)
[This marking, also written as ORCON, is used on information that
clearly identifies a US intelligence source or method]
WARNING NOTICE - INTELLIGENCE SOURCES OR METHODS INVOLVED (WNINTEL)
[This marking is used on information that could identify an
intelligence source or method]
EYES ONLY - Sensitive items that are not to be filed.
SINGLE INTEGRATED OPERATIONAL PLAN - EXTREMELY SENSITIVE INFORMATION
(SIOP-ESI)
[US nuclear war fighting plans]
CRITICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON DESIGN INFORMATION (CNWDI)
RESTRICTED DATA - This material contains RESTRICTED DATA as defined in
the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Unauthorized disclosure subject to
administrative and criminal sanctions.
[Used for nuclear secrets that are below CNWDI]
FORMERLY RESTRICTED DATA - Unauthorized disclosure subject to
administrative and criminal sanctions. Handle as RESTRICTED DATA in
foreign dissemination. Section 144b, AEC 1954. [This label applies to
nuclear secrets that have been transferred to a military agency from
the Department of Energy or its predecessor, the Atomic Energy
Commission]
LIMITED DISSEMINATION (LIMDIS)
[Used on information in Special Access Programs]
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INFORMATION (FGI)
[Classified material that originated with a US ally]
COSMIC TOP SECRET
[NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) document that is classified
TOP SECRET]
NATO SECRET
NATO CONFIDENTIAL
NATO RESTRICTED
ATOMAL
[NATO nuclear secrets]
NOT RELEASABLE TO CONTRACTORS/CONSULTANTS (NOCONTRACT)
[This might be used if the powers-that-be should happen to be
discussing canceling a contract with an aerospace company...]
CAUTION - PROPRIETARY INFORMATION INVOLVED (PROPIN)
[This marking is used on documents that would prove harmful to a
company. For example, it could be marked on Motorola, Inc. documents
that were not supposed to go to Martin Marietta Co.]
REPRODUCTION REQUIRES APPROVAL OF ORIGINATOR OR HIGHER GOVERNMENT
AUTHORITY.
NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS (NOFORN)
[Under no circumstances can this data be released, even to a US ally]
WmWallace!
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message
<35992F7F...@Unforgettable.com>...
WmWallace!
Then we started dumping WANG about 90-91.
WmWallace!
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <3599932F...@nr.infi.net>...
>> >After I sent my last reponse I remembered something that I had
omitted and
was down
Eric Chomko
WmWallace! <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Then we started dumping WANG about 90-91.
I bet you were grabbing WANG a lot sooner than that!
Eric
WmWallace!
I think you're letting your homo tendancies get the better of you...I
grabbed POON-TANG a lot sonner than that, yes. I think you mixed up
your activity (grabbing WANG, which I think you mean as dick) with
something that sounded similar.
Try again, Chumpko. Maybe if you take that dildo pecker out of your
ass you could think better?
WmWallace!
Got anything useful to post regarding the NG topic? No? That's what I
thought. That explains your lame ass comment.
Sorry, didn't mean to mention ass--are you all horny again?
Eric Chomko wrote in message <6ncb2v$9...@nnrp1.farm.idt.net>...
Kenneth C Stahl
Those are some good ones. Here are some more to try out:
MHCURB
RYBAT
RUFF
UMBRA
SPOKE
MORAY
DEACON
PNRADIUS
PNWORLD
LCLUNA
LCLODE
CHALLIS
FESTIVE
FENCER
FEDDER
ZEUS
PLYQTWIGA
The one thing that used to bother me about the NOFORN designation is that
I had a COS who used to show this stuff to liaison all the time. The only
thing he did was cut off the classification at the top and bottom and
redact classification markings on the paragraphs.
Kenneth C Stahl
For a period at least they did go to WANG VS, but it was starting to
become apparent very quickly that PCs and Macs would start becoming the
system of choice and they started to put in lans. In places where
emanations were still a big deal they stuck with Tempested equipment, but
they basically decided that in controlled-access domestic facilities they
didn't have to worry about it as much.
WmWallace! wrote:
> Then we started dumping WANG about 90-91.
> WmWallace!
Eric Chomko
WmWallace! <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I think you're letting your homo tendancies get the better of you...I
: grabbed POON-TANG a lot sonner than that, yes. I think you mixed up
I bet this little slip is an admission to an illegitimite child.
: your activity (grabbing WANG, which I think you mean as dick) with
: something that sounded similar.
Man, it's so funny to watch you explain the obvious.
: Try again, Chumpko. Maybe if you take that dildo pecker out of your
: ass you could think better?
Geez, exactly how old are you kid?
: WmWallace!
: Got anything useful to post regarding the NG topic? No? That's what I
: thought. That explains your lame ass comment.
: Sorry, didn't mean to mention ass--are you all horny again?
No, dumbass.
Eric
WmWallace!
Yeah, I had a couple of supers who would approach classification in a
rather cavalier manner. They would grab something from the vault that
they needed on a training op (manual or something) and then just slice
off the class marking, photocopy it and walk out the door. That would
prevent problems if/when they did the spot inspections at the exit
turnstiles if they were stopped.
Take it easy Ken.
WmWallace!
Say Druid, could you tell me what the NIE is? Or better yet, how about
explaining to me the procedure for conducting an SDR (define it first
please).
Thanks...I'm sooo ingnorant on these subjects and was just hoping
someone as knowledgeable as yourself would come along with years of
background and experience to help me understand life.
(not)
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message
WmWallace!
Illegitimate child--yes, ask you mom about that later on this evening
son.
WmWallace!
Eric Chomko wrote in message <6ndm2p$a...@nnrp4.farm.idt.net>...
XYZ
Ken: the "techs" made things work.......And in ref to the "100%SC", the "SC
= Service Connected disability"....
My time at Camp Peary was for the Target Interdiction Course. Then off to
IndianHead, Maryland, Naval Ord Academy..
A lot of time in the mil was spent with an INSCOM unit doing direct action
ops...
J.A.
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <35992F7F...@Unforgettable.com>...
Eric Chomko
WmWallace! <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Illegitimate child--yes, ask you mom about that later on this evening
: son.
Yeah, you admit to being a real MF. But somehow even with viagra I'd
believe you have problems.
: WmWallace!
...the jack ass
Eric
Kenneth C Stahl
times I did have to see a PDB (Presidential Daily Brief) when high
government officials were in the area. One mistake though - RUFF and UMBRA
would never be included in the same document since RUFF was more
specialized then UMBRA and thus overroad it. The same goes for ZARF except
that it is even higher than RUFF since it refers to ELINT rather than
imagery from overhead platforms.
The rest of them I never saw. Probably they were unrelated to the
activities I was a part of.
BTW - Just in case you are trying to trip me up with phoney ones, save your
breath. The only projects I'll ever mention or acknowledge were ones that I
had access to and still remember.
XYZ wrote:
> Wallace & Ken: And I thought "DRUID" were third-party SIGINT
> intercepts!!!.....lol.......live & learn!!!
>
> Ken:
> were you involved in TS RUFF ZARF UMBRA??
> Any friends with GRANTOR SHADOW/ROYAL CAPE??
> lIKE THE OCEAN, BRO'??....WANT SOME sEASPRAY..?.....LOL
> Are you familiar with GREAT FALCON & QUEENS HUNTER???
> A lot of my work came under ARs 381-100 & 10-53
> (Btw, I signed my DD 1847-1....rotfl)
>
> WmWallace! wrote in message ...
> >Say Druid, could you tell me what the NIE is? Or better yet, how about
>
> Wallace:
> NIE....hmmmm???.....National Idiots Estimate?...:))
Kenneth C Stahl
never heard of. I've had things like that happen in the past by people who
glean a word here and then and then string them together. If he is a good
guy then helpfully we can work together to shut down Druid and get on with
the business of discussing the Agency rather than having a lot of
bickering.
WmWallace! wrote:
> Easy Ken, XYZ's a good guy. He's busting on Druid, not you.
> WmWallace!
> Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <359ABF39...@nr.infi.net>...
WmWallace!
Easy Ken, XYZ's a good guy. He's busting on Druid, not you.
Kenneth C Stahl wrote in message <359ABF39...@nr.infi.net>...
>The mail TS RUFF stuff I saw was in the DEACON NID - although a
couple
>times I did have to see a PDB (Presidential Daily Brief) when high
>government officials were in the area. One mistake though - RUFF and
UMBRA
>would never be included in the same document since RUFF was more
>specialized then UMBRA and thus overroad it. The same goes for ZARF
except
>that it is even higher than RUFF since it refers to ELINT rather than
>imagery from overhead platforms.
>
>The rest of them I never saw. Probably they were unrelated to the
>activities I was a part of.
>
>BTW - Just in case you are trying to trip me up with phoney ones,
save your
>breath. The only projects I'll ever mention or acknowledge were ones
that I
>had access to and still remember.
>
WmWallace!
There is NO doubt that I'm a MF. You throw a piece of poon-tang in
front of me and I'll wear it out. As for viagra--what's that? Seems
like you're pretty familiar with it...wonder why? Freudian thing
again? Subconscious fixation with your own problem surfacing here?
Have a good evening...son.
WmWallace!
P.S. when you get finished playing "tit-for-tat" school yard games and
decide to contribute something other than your personal attacks on me,
let me know.
WmWallace!
Eric Chomko wrote in message <6ne772$1...@nnrp3.farm.idt.net>...
Druid days
:::::::Stroking the head of her ChowChow with a sinister smirk in the glow of
her computer::::::::::
WmWallace!
as she pops another pill, inserts another battery in her dildo and
begins another session with her "lover'...
Druid days wrote in message
<199807020437...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
XYZ
Ken; as Wallace said, I had no desire to "trip-you-up", GRANTOR SHADOW &
ROYAL CAPE were a DoD/INSCOM unit. (Same as FOG & QUASAR TALENT). Btw,
Seaspray, Great Falcon & Queens Hunter are/were legit DoD projects; or in
the case of Seaspray a compartmented unit. No reason to harrass you, man.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!! Your "bona fides" are not in question,
atleast not with me. (any "odd" sequence of names was directed to
another!).
Sine Pari,
J.A.
XYZ
Wallace; thanks bro'.......you nailed it!!! They deffinately weren't
directed to Ken...glad you saw that.
luv & bullets,
J.A.
WmWallace! wrote in message ...
Eric Chomko
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Distribution:
XYZ <X...@nh.ultranet.com> wrote:
: WALLACE: He's WANG-Less.......lol
But is that better than being Ball-less, what do you think Wall-less?
Eric
: Eric Chomko wrote in message <6ncb2v$9...@nnrp1.farm.idt.net>...
: >WmWallace! <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >: Then we started dumping WANG about 90-91.
: >
: >I bet you were grabbing WANG a lot sooner than that!
: >
: >Eric
: >
DeadCosmonautJim
formerCAG <sa...@hell.com> wrote in article
<6n3btl$7kv$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
> >Who gives a rat's ass about your opinion?
> Who gives a rats' ass about yours or Druids for that matter?
>
> >Druid days is operating under alternate routes than you and not only >do
> you attack such ideals but then go one to call Druid "ignorant".
> >How do you figure? Ignorant is reserved for narrow mind and the
> >undereducated and people who see only a limites spectrum of the
>universe.
> Alternate routes?? That's a nice way to say she is clueless...
> No Jim, ignorant is reserved for idiots like you who defend other idiots.
> And while we're talking about IGNORANT people, you could probably qualify
as
> a rather ignorant person in regards to spelling and grammar. Do you ever
> run spell checker on your posts Jim? I could hardly read the crap. See
> above.. limites, and below, intersted. So Jim, piss off!
Lets take this one down a little bit further: you tell me to piss off? If
it weren't for the idealistic fool that defends ideas that are not widely
accepted the majority of your civilization wouldn't even exist. In this
newsgroup, certain factions seem to dominate. Domination is a good setting
for debate and allows the underdog to fight the good fight while the
dominant revel in their mock glory. But neither are you able to allow
debate of subjects that you clearly dismiss as "idiotic" or otherwise not
to your liking but as to also demand my leave? I ask but that some offer
respect, as should be given to all to an extent, and I am told that I am
being an idiot? What utter mockery is this? Great poets and stronger
writers aswell as thousands and thousands would look upon your words with
great spectacle. Such words as "idiot" should never be uttered for unless
I am mistaken, there are no people in this room that defy all standards of
intelligence and sentience. We all live and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to obstruct.
I cannot ask for you to agree with me as I will probably never agree with
you but even if you don't agree at least you can do is let them go on
ranting or whatever it is they do. Only if it truly attacks your nature
should you feel it necessary to set an offensive against their very
presence. Please, if you cannot respect the power of debate and politics,
please leave for you have no right being here if what you wrote is the
premise from which all following comments, of yours, are to be based off
of.
Good day.
>
> >Druid does not classify any of the above. If you're intersted in
>posting
> opinions, then perhaps you can take one: leave Druid >alone. Live and
let
> live.
>
> I beg to differ! Let me also classify you as a complete idiot. By the
> way... My spectrum of my universe is as wide as a crack hoe's bootie
hole...
> Whatever the hell that means.. maybe you can tell me. You're about as
far
> out as they come DeadCosmonautJim!
I love the insane and the root of all insanity for I can look upon thee and
see but a shadow of your existance and see you not as the warhound that you
insist upon being. "Attack our words and you are but attacking paper and
ink but attack our hearts and you must first tear through flesh and blood."
I'm sure you're intent upon stomping my words into the dust and prove to
all that I am nothing more than a raving lunatic. I love the lunatic for
the lunatic can at least admit he knows not where the sun do shine or fade
or what color the stars are or what the wind can sing. I would rather
stand with one thousand "lunatics", "idiots" and whatever you call your
opposition, then stand with one, who sees all that are not to his wishes or
idealogy, of but a pure derivitive of total stupidity.
>
>
>
>
WmWallace!
Wall-less, yes I'd agree with that. No walls can contain me.
WmWallace!
Eric Chomko wrote in message <6ngqdg$s...@nnrp3.farm.idt.net>...