Mysterious Pine Barrens Blue Hole
Way Of The Ray
Friday, February 7, 2003
Getting to the bottom of the myths of the Blue Hole in the Pine Barrens
By DANIEL WALSH
Courier-Post Staff
MONROE
They say the Blue Hole's bottomless.
Surrounded by quicksand.
Created by a meteor crash.
Filled with water blue as the sky itself, quite unlike the murky brown
cedar water elsewhere in the Pine Barrens.
It's been called the Bottomless Pit of Beelzebub and the Jersey Devil's
Bathtub, where swimmers insisted they felt a hand come up from below and
grab their legs.
All this over a pool of water about 130 feet in diameter just south of
the Great Egg Harbor River.
Ever wonder if any of it's true?
Tony Scriviani did.
"It's not really a lake," Scriviani said. "It's a hole. It has blue
water. Here in the Pine Barrens, we usually have cedar water. They say
that this hole is deep."
Seekers of the strange here often relay a story about a group of
scientists who some years ago dropped a huge weight with a long line of
cable into the middle of the pool. Supposedly, the cable kept going down
until it was all fed out. So, they dropped more cable. Same thing
happened.
The thing is, that story's as apocryphal in 2003 as it was in 1937 when
the late South Jersey historian Henry Charlton Beck first put it into
print in More Forgotten Towns of Southern New Jersey.
Joe Gionti, 87, a member of the Williamstown Historical Society, never
took a dive into the Blue Hole, but he remembers it well.
"Children were forbidden to go into that water for two reasons," said
Gionti. "One, there was no bottom. Two, there were demons in there."
The science, however, is quite different.
According to Richland natural historian Mark Demitroff, the Blue Hole in
Monroe is one of numerous such blue holes in the Pine Barrens. There are
also blue holes in Newtonville and Egg Harbor Township, each with its
own folklore. The science is something unique to the Pine Barrens.
"Blue holes are places in or near streams where large amounts of water
under pressure upwell," Demitroff said. " They shoot up like a geyser.
They're large springs."
Most water in the Pine Barrens, at least when the weather' s warm,
appears brown and murky and is called "cedar water" locally. Bacteria
take iron from marl, a type of heavy soil, near Marlton and turn it to
rust, Demitroff explained. The warmer the temperature, the more active
the bacteria will be, and the rust color will be produced in the water.
Because blue holes' water comes from so far below ground, the water
temperature stays relatively constant, about 55 degrees year-round,
Demitroff said. The bacteria is less active in cooler water and doesn't
turn the water brown. As a result, the clear water reflects the sky.
And what swimmers thought was the Jersey Devil grabbing them from
beneath the surface was really just the frigid water.
"You were always told never to swim there because you would cramp up and
sink like a stone," Demitroff said. " Suckholes would come up and grab
you."
These days, the only thing close to the Blue Hole is a shooting range
off Piney Hollow Road. The remnants of a bridge over the Egg Harbor
remain, about 50 feet from the Blue Hole.
The best way in is a dirt road off Piney Hollow Road, leading northwest
into the Winslow Wildlife Management Area. Hike in three-fifths of a
mile and follow blue trail markers, and you'll eventually come to the
Blue Hole.
A crew from the Courier-Post made the pilgrimage Jan. 29 amid a drifting
snowfall. Elsewhere, the Delaware and Schuylkill rivers froze over in
spots. Children played hockey on ponds in Medford. Temperatures had been
below freezing for days.
The Blue Hole had no ice on it. Neither did the Egg Harbor.
The hole wasn't blue this day. But it wasn't brown. Rather, it appeared
crystalline green at many parts. You could see the bottom, where odd
vegetation grew.
Measured at several spots from a canoe in the center of the lake, the
Blue Hole rang up at no more than seven feet deep. Demitroff blames
urbanization and agriculture for this, saying the Pine Barrens have been
drying up for years.
As for the quicksand, Bill Witcraft, who runs the Auto Express shop on
Piney Hollow Road, said he has towed many cars from the side of the Egg
Harbor opposite the Blue Hole. They all sink in the sand.
But no, it's not quicksand, he says.
And no, there's no Jersey Devil around here.
At least not that anybody's seen lately.
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frigid.
I decided not to take a swim when I saw a couple of water moccasins swimming about.
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Aw C'mon... It's just a little poisonous snake. Sheesh.... :)
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> Sounds like it would be really pretty. :)
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> > We've got blue holes here too. They're just springs and very pretty
too.
Wonder what the authorities and tree huggers would do to you if you put a
bunch of cherry-kool aid into one? :-/
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it would take to sufficiently flavor the water hole...
I remember the Kool Aid Man from the 70's when it was played by a real
guy and they had to use animators to draw the facial features on.
>
thumper
What I wanna know is how much sugar (cause it takes around three rounded
cupfulls just to to flavor a pitcher)? :-). Of course in the Piney Barrens
in NJ all you have to do is wait for a train carrying corn syrup to de-rail,
and you should be okay. As a kid, I always wanted to know how the Kool-Aid
dude was able to break thru a brick wall basically just being a big glass
pitcher and all. And how come none of the kids in the commercial ever got
hit by a flying cinder block when he did that? Seems like a lawsuit waiting
to happen in today's litigationous society. :-(
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>
Gordon Lee
> The cramping that is mentioned in the article might be true as the
> spring water is really frigid.
>
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Greetings Katie.
.
When he turns his head back again the girl is struggling to stand up, one
hand waving in the air and the other pushing down on the side [of the
canoe]. The shadow of her cuts against the dim sky, looking down at him
with both recognition and horror. Then, in the same moment -- in the same
half moment -- that she gets to her feet the canoe moves into a fluid spin
that pushes them both below the water.
.
It's the cold that shocks the blood in their hearts and craps their muscles
as soon as they begin thrashing for the surface. The boy keeps his eyes
closed but reaches up, searching for the overturned canoe and soon finding
it. With a single pull his head breaks through into the air and he takes in
a hungry gasp. How long had he been down there? Five seconds? Long enough
to make his chest ache. For a time he holds his arms over the slippery hull
and simply breathes. Then he remembers the girl.
.
Calls her name once, but doesn't shout it. Nothing.
.
No sound but the lapping of water against his shoulders. Where was she?
Both of them good swimmers but she better than he, faster and with far
greater endurance. She should have been beside him, spitting water in his
face, or a hundred yards off kicking her way to shore. But she wasn't. The
boy knows he has to go under to find her, but it feels so cold down there.
A difference of several degrees between armpits and toes. It's the cold
that frightens him.
.
The first time he goes down only a few feet before twisting back up, eyes
closed against the imagined sight of bug-eyed snakes and glowing, tentacled
jellyfish. [He] gnashes at the air.
.
On the second dive he take as large a breath as his lungs will allow and
flutters down against his own buoyancy, eyes still closed, hands reaching
before him. Then he feels her. Not any actual part of her body, but the
vibrations of her struggle radiating out through the water. Down, farther
down. When he begins to feel the muscles in his jaw ache to pull his mouth
open he tells himself to turn back but nothing obeys an he goes two strokes
further yet.
.
And [he] finds her arm. [He] slides his hand up and bracelets her wrist
with his fingers. Then he kicks like hell.
.
But the girl feels heavy, heavier than she should, as though attached to a
sack of wet sand. A dozen sacks of wet sand. The pain that comes with the
lack of oxygen now a bell tolling in the boy's head but he doesn't let her
go, pushing against the weight with the last of his strength until his free
arm knocks against the underside of the canoe.
.
Even with the leverage of his fingers locked around the hull's edge the girl
is still too heavy to bring up with him. His shoulder strains, his toes
brush through her hair but she moves no further. Then he feels a tug. A
sharp force from below her that nearly takes him down too. Then another.
.
It's not that the girl is too heavy for him to pull up. Something else is
pulling the other way.
.
With the third tug she's gone.
.
The boy pulls his head through to the light, counts to two, and goes under
once more. This time, when he's down as far as he can go and moves his arms
out to feel for her, there is nothing there.
.
He tells himself not to do it, that it will be too horrible and do no good,
but he does anyway. He looks.
.
What he notices first is that the opening of his eyes also opens his ears,
because it is only then that he hears his cousin's scream. Then he sees her
scream, her gaping mouth blowing a diminishing stream of bubbles up toward
him before breaking soundlessly at the surface. But as she runs out of air
her scream becomes something worse, a moaning inhalation of the lake's
purple weight. Eyes a wild white, blond hair now black as oil, writhing out
from her head like eels. Fingers grasping up toward the light, at him, at
anything, but when they stop they are frozen into gnarled fists.
.
She goes down fast, but he remembers all of this.
.
Not sinking but pulled. That's what he sees. His cousin pulled down from
the last snaking shafts of sunlight into the black, into the blind, cold
depths.
.
This is an excerpt from the prologue of "Lost Girls", a novel written by
Andrew Pyper, 1999, Bantam Dell Publishing, New York. Somewhat on topic
that this thread just reminded me. The novel incorporates "a lady of the
lake" storyline and is quite scary for a courtroom thriller.
.
Even though I don't work for Dell, nor know Andrew Pyper, I recommend the
book for a good read.
.
Respectfully,
Gordon Lee
Great Fritain Royal Memorabilia & Soggy Soda Crackers Emporium
I'm writing a 500-page book. So far I've only have the pages numbered.
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too?). :-(
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I do not know, I don't think the cynderblocks woulda hurt since they're
foam. But Kool Aid Man is imbued with super natural powers so he won't
shatter when he impacts a foam wall. :)
Zaltor
> Or threaten to kill me like PETA (aren't human beings technically animals
> too?). :-(
>
Threaten to kill? Would PETA do that? I just love people who kill
people in the name of protecting life. :/
thumper
What super natural powers? You mean the crack man for kids (with all that
sugar and food color he has)?
thumper
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> > Or threaten to kill me like PETA (aren't human beings technically
animals
> > too?). :-(
> >
>
> Threaten to kill? Would PETA do that? I just love people who kill
> people in the name of protecting life. :/
>
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> > > Or threaten to kill me like PETA (aren't human beings technically
> animals
> > > too?). :-(
> > >
> >
> > Threaten to kill? Would PETA do that? I just love people who kill
> > people in the name of protecting life. :/
> >
> Yeah, somehow doesn't the word "bunch of hypocrites" spring to mind? :-)
We all have acted counter to what we say we believe - and most of
us will kick ourselves for doing it. I was wondering about the incident
itself. Is there anyplace I can read up on this? Did PETA threaten you?
I hope not. If they did that then anybody who was anything somewhat
tied to them will come under suspicion if an incident happens. :/
thumper
No, I have never been threatened by any member of PETA to the best of my
knowledge. I guess I shouldn't push it though by walking into their
corporate headquarters in my full length mink coat and alligator cowboy
boots :-). I was just responding to something what Katie wrote and (I
think?) the guy who advocated I try having sex with a cougar.
Zaltor
Don 't forget the baby seal underwear that gets worn for a day and then
discarded. :p~~ ~
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unfortunate souls wander the earth sans baby seal underwear. :)
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care for one.... if it meant he'd quit using the kittens...... ;-)
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> Please, won't you donate to the Club-a Seal Foundation? Many
thumper
But of course. It's the only thing that seems to fit well enough with my
dead kitten skin tank top. That, along with the preserved mounted bald
eagle head that's mounted on the front of my hat is a killer combination.
:-)
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So! Are you saying that PETA is a PITA?
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typical, dumb-ass liberal feel good club. Most of the supporters of it
don't realize that they probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their
grandfathers years back bagging a deer once in awhile, and I'm getting sick
of seeing the typical liberal twit animal rights nazi screaming about fur
wearing and how cruel slaughterhouses are, and then in the next scene
jumping in her environment ruining SUV's to take her snottly little brats
for a hamburger at McDonalds to shut them up. And if that wasn't bad
enough, look who they have as a spokesperson, that dumb slut Pamela Anderson
who probably has more leather garments in her closet than are found on the
floor of a San Francisco bathhouse. She probably saw the word PETA
somewhere (and since she's probably too dumb to read with all the brain
cells she's killed dumping the bleach in her hair), she probably just
figured it was another photo shoot for her and her hubby Tommy Lee (or Brett
Michaels, Kid Rock, or whomever's PETA she's posing with in her new "stolen"
(yeah, right!) sex tape). :-(
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When hubby uses kitten does he have the fur in or out?
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> Thanks! :-). No, I'm just saying that PETER (as in big, hary one) is a
> typical, dumb-ass liberal feel good club. Most of the supporters of it
Hmmmm.... I am more liberal myself, but I don't go around crying
about animal right ,cause they essentailly have none - animals are not
people - I am disturbed when some people act as if they are (I'm talking
those who actually think animals as people and have people emotions
with human thought process). I think we shouldn't let wildlife go extinct,
I have no moral problems with hunting - in fact and animal people ignore
or flat out refuse to believe - people who wanted to hunt exotic animals
made (and still make) great efforts to protect them, to keep thier numbers
up, so they can shoot a few of them now and then. And then you got those
people who say well you eat cows but you won't eat you dog - your
being a hypocrite - thats bullshit. I like so many other creatures have
taste preferences. Plus my dog is cut and fuzzy, cows are nasty mean and
smelly, so which is it? Eat the one who is enjoyable to keep around and
would only yeild a few pounds of meat, or the nasty mean smelly one
that can yeild hundreds of pounds of meat? Hmmm tough choice... Then
they might say you're a specieist - well I'll say, "Yes I am! Not all
animals
were created equal, for one I'll throw a ball and it will go get it and
bring
it back, the other I draw a chalk X on its head and hit it with a sledge
hammer!" Also for those that think animals are completely equal to
humans, "When was the last time you played a great game of fetch the stick
with another person?" Ok so this was really excessive, but my alignment
is as follows - Keep church outta state, Don't mess with the constitution
and my rights - I want to be able to burn a flag and buy a firearm in the
same afternoon. I think alot of people are getting shafted and I know
we have the resources to help them. I do not want my tax dollars sponsering
religious programs, I do not want to force any one set of morals on
people, I would like to see more sex and less violence on TV, Seek
alternative energy, pro space exploration, not to hot on the idea
of war with IRAQ - the issue is too complicated to explain this early
in the morning, I want people to take responsibility for thier actions and
stop blaming every other goddamned thing on this planet for thier stupid
actions - I hate hearing them say, "It not my fault.. it was the (enter
barley tangible half assed excuse/medical condition here)", and most
importantly technology - invention and innovation.
:p~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~
> don't realize that they probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their
> grandfathers years back bagging a deer once in awhile, and I'm getting
sick
> of seeing the typical liberal twit animal rights nazi screaming about fur
> wearing and how cruel slaughterhouses are, and then in the next scene
> jumping in her environment ruining SUV's to take her snottly little brats
> for a hamburger at McDonalds to shut them up. And if that wasn't bad
> enough, look who they have as a spokesperson, that dumb slut Pamela
Anderson
> who probably has more leather garments in her closet than are found on the
> floor of a San Francisco bathhouse. She probably saw the word PETA
> somewhere (and since she's probably too dumb to read with all the brain
> cells she's killed dumping the bleach in her hair), she probably just
> figured it was another photo shoot for her and her hubby Tommy Lee (or
Brett
> Michaels, Kid Rock, or whomever's PETA she's posing with in her new
"stolen"
> (yeah, right!) sex tape). :-(
>
Gotta love our country don't you? Actually I do on many points, we
got alot to be proud of. :)
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chickens we raise and butcher ourselves..... Reminds me of the time I had a friend over
and was making salad with lettuse from the garden. She couldn't figure out why there was
dirt on it. HELLLLOOOoooooo!!!!!!
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Ummm... Well... Nn... Ok sure... :)
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on some tangent. :) It can be asking for punishment to state ones
opinions or beliefs.
I got the chagling from amazon - gonna watch it tonight - that
movie used to scare me as a kid. Also expecting "The Blind Dead"
I'm on a quest to get a good collection of ghost/ghoul movies. :)
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Zaltor
> Oh lordy, then I best watch out coz we eat venison that, yep, hubby
shoots, and hogs and
> chickens we raise and butcher ourselves..... Reminds me of the time I had
a friend over
> and was making salad with lettuse from the garden. She couldn't figure
out why there was
> dirt on it. HELLLLOOOoooooo!!!!!!
:) I have come to find there are some people who had never really
thought about where food comes from. :) It's funny when we have
people who have never seen a scrap of country in thier life, they decide
they want to get a hunting license, they come up here - see something
with 4 legs (usually a cow) and shoot it. :) Stories like that are not too
rare up here.
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> > > Nothings like the real thing baby... :)
> > >
> > > When hubby uses kitten does he have the fur in or out?
> > >
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> > > > How about a faux seal undie? An imitation faux seal cock sock? I
> wonder
> > > if hubby would
> > > > care for one.... if it meant he'd quit using the kittens...... ;-)
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What? They saw here arms up and thought they were antlers? D'oh! I do like the extra
vittles for the freezer though. A lot of hunters don't even like the meat which I think
is really retarded. If you're going to spend money, kill something, you ought to be damn
well using it. What we don't eat goes into cat and dog food. We get a lot of meat from
those hunters who don't like it though. I can't tell the difference between it and beef.
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> "Helena Handbasket" <gingerr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Oh lordy, then I best watch out coz we eat venison that, yep, hubby
> shoots, and hogs and
> > chickens we raise and butcher ourselves..... Reminds me of the time I had
> a friend over
> > and was making salad with lettuse from the garden. She couldn't figure
> out why there was
> > dirt on it. HELLLLOOOoooooo!!!!!!
>
> :) I have come to find there are some people who had never really
> thought about where food comes from. :) It's funny when we have
> people who have never seen a scrap of country in thier life, they decide
> they want to get a hunting license, they come up here - see something
> with 4 legs (usually a cow) and shoot it. :) Stories like that are not too
> rare up here.
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ธ..ท ดจจ)) -:ฆ:-
> > ธ.ทด .ทดจจ)) katie
> > ((ธธ.ทด ..ทด -:ฆ:-
> > > > ธ..ท ดจจ)) -:ฆ:-
> > > > ธ.ทด .ทดจจ)) katie
> > > > ((ธธ.ทด ..ทด -:ฆ:-
Zaltor
"Helena Handbasket" <gingerr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Zaltor
Strange!? I'm normal! Normal! Normal... Normal... Normal.... Can't
sleep clowns will eat me....
(squating rocking back and forth in a dark corner hugging a bologna
sandwich)
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