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Janelle

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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Managing Senior Programmers is like herding cats.
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++++++++=======+++++++++++++++++++++ Dave Platt+++++


dss...@unl.ac.uk

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Iris M. Gray

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Janelle (ja...@enter.net) wrote:
: Managing Senior Programmers is like herding cats.
: ======================================================
: ++++++++=======+++++++++++++++++++++ Dave Platt+++++
:
There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast.

--
Iris Gray and Puff and Callisto
Email: wy...@victoria.tc.ca
Web Page:http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wy236
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Janelle

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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Good Morning!
----------
> HOW TO GIVE YOUR CAT A PILL >>>>From Humor Digest
>
> 1. Grasp cat firmly in your arms. Cradle its head on your elbow,
> just as if you were giving a baby a bottle. Coo confidently,
> "That's a nice kitty".
> Drop pill into it's mouth.
>
> 2. Retrieve cat from top of lamp & pill from under sofa.
>
> 3. Follow same procedure as in #1, but hold cats front
> paws down with left hand & back paws down with elbow
> of right arm. Poke pill into it's mouth with right forefinger.
>
> 4. Retrieve cat from under bed. Get new pill from bottle.
> (Resist impulse to get new cat.)
>
> 5. Again proceed as in #1, except when you have cat firmly
cradled
> in
> bottle-feeding position, sit down on edge of chair,
> fold your torso over cat, bring your right hand up over your
> left elbow,
> open cat's mouth by lifting the uper jaw & pop the pill
> in quickly. Since your head is down by your knees, you
won't
> be able to see what you are doing. That's just as well.
>
> 6. Leave cat hanging on drapes. Leave pill in your hair.
>
> 7. If your'e a woman, have a good cry.
> If your'e a man, have a good cry.
>
> 8. Now pull yourself together. Who's the boss here anyway?
> Retrieve cat & pill. Assuming position #1, say sternly:
> "Who's the boss here anyway?? Open cat's mouth & oops..
>
> 9. Crawl to closet. Drag back large beach towel. Spread
> towel on floor.
>
> 10. Retrieve cat from kitchen counter & pill from plant.
>
> 11. Spread cat on towel with it's head over long edge.
>
> 12. Flatten cat's front & back legs over it's stomach.
> (Resist impulse to flatten cat)
>
> 13. Roll cat in towel. Work fast; time & cats wait for no man.
>
> 14. Resume position #1. Rotate your left hand to cat's head.
> Press it's mouth at the jaw hinges like opening the petals
> of a snapdragon.
>
> 15. Drop pill into cat's mouth & poke gently.
> *Finally*, it's done!
>
> 16. Vacuum up loose fur (cat's).
> Apply band-aids to wounds (yours).
>
> 17. Take 2 aspirin & lie down.
>
> _________ ________Peace, Jane from PA____ ______________
> _______________ ___________ ______________
>
>


Iris M. Gray <wy...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote in article
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dss...@unl.ac.uk

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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I really enjoyed your posting concerning how to get your cat to take their
pill(s)
I found the best way to stop getting
a scratched
bbad vibes from the moggy
c unconditional love and affection
is to crush the said pill and put it in his or her food - end of problem
hopefully
I've got some articles on cat 'stuff'
send me an e and we can chat
my name is derek i live in london i'm 36 male - straight with
no major vices or hang-ups
am house trained and am in a relationship with my cat - er, platonic of course
anyway greetings from north londonyarticle <01bd9f89$b03d8680$a747aacc@ibm>, "Janelle" <ja...@enter.net>
writes:

Phil White

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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Well,

I AM a Sr. Programmer and have no idea whatever you could mean.

The whole myth of management is that it exists. Good programmers will always
come through. Salespeople and managers simply have no idea what is necessary
to do a job properly and want everything yesterday.

As for your statement about cats; I resent that one too. My cat is friendly,
cooperative, well behaved and eager to please. Like computers, the only
secret is having patience and getting the message across in a form the
cat/computer can understand.

sincerely yours,

Phil White and Al E. Katz


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Janelle

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Jun 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/25/98
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ROFLMAO!!! So the idea is "that I should *talk* to my cat in
maybe HTML???"
And then she'll respond??
Peace, Janelle
+++++Give me ambiguity, or give me something else...+++++


Phil White <pdw...@email.msn.com> wrote in article
> >>>>snips<<<<<
>
>
>

Phil White

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Jun 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/25/98
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When you speak to a computer you must use a language the computer
understands. In order to prevent unforseen errors, you must be careful to
correct possible misinterpretations.

Of course you speak a different language to cats, but it is a language. It
is emotional, gestural and some of it is gained by watching cats with other
cats. For example, a mother cat doesn't hit her kittens to repremand them
when they do something wrong, but they do tap them lightly on the ear to get
their attention and then illustrate correct behavior. You can do that too!

Cats and programmers are usually very intellegent and definately have minds
of their own. You get much better results if you don't alienate them. If you
win their trust and loyalty you can get them to do most anything.

Oh yes, one other thing.... Ambiguity is not bliss.

Janelle wrote in message <01bd9fcd$968ee0a0$6147aacc@ibm>...

Janelle

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Jun 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/25/98
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Hi Phil!
My 1st cat trained me very well in the nuances of *cat*
communication; he was so special! Very patient with me.
People still puzzle me at times. Yes, ambiguity is not bliss,
but it sounds fairly pain-free to me at the moment.
Peace, Janelle (legacy-lady)

+++++It hurts to be on the cutting edge++++++++++++++

Phil White <pdw...@email.msn.com> wrote in article

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> When you speak to a computer you must use a language the computer
> understands. In order to prevent unforseen errors, you must be careful to
> correct possible misinterpretations.
>
> Of course you speak a different language to cats, but it is a language.
It
> is emotional, gestural and some of it is gained by watching cats with
other
> cats. For example, a mother cat doesn't hit her kittens to repremand them
> when they do something wrong, but they do tap them lightly on the ear to
get
> their attention and then illustrate correct behavior. You can do that
too!
>
> Cats and programmers are usually very intellegent and definately have
minds
> of their own. You get much better results if you don't alienate them. If
you
> win their trust and loyalty you can get them to do most anything.
>
> Oh yes, one other thing.... Ambiguity is not bliss.
>

>>>snip<<<<
>


Dave Platt

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Jun 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/26/98
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In article <01bd9f20$d2243500$a047aacc@ibm>, Janelle <ja...@enter.net> wrote:

> Managing Senior Programmers is like herding cats.
> ======================================================
> ++++++++=======+++++++++++++++++++++ Dave Platt+++++

As much as I'd like to, I can't claim to be the originator of this
particular idiom. It's one I ran into years ago - I think I _may_
have first heard it from Dale Luck (a guy I worked with at NTG and 3DO),
and I have a vague memory of hearing it originally ascribed to John
Dijkstra (but I could well be wrong about this). I do remember
stating it in the succinct fashion given above, a few years ago,
in a USENET post or some email... but I did not come up the
original analogy.

The earliest version I've run across in a cursory Web search is:

"At Group L, Stoffel oversees six first-rate programmers, a managerial
challenge roughly comparable to herding cats.-- The Washington Post
Magazine, June 9, 1985"

If anyone happens to know an earlier source for this analogy, I'd
be very interested in knowing it - please reply via email.

A Web search on "herding cats" turns up a really fascinating number of
situations which are of comparable difficulty... the concept seems to
be a very useful one.

Just wanted to set the historical record straight...

--
Dave Platt dpl...@feghoot.ml.org
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Mike Dickson

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Jun 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/26/98
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In article <enURKnEo9GA.280@upnetnews05> pdw...@email.msn.com wrote...

> It is emotional, gestural and some of it is gained by watching cats
> with other cats.

Quite right. One other good tip is never to look a cat that isn't *well*
used to you, straight in the eye for very long, otherwise they take that
as a direct challenge.

> Cats and programmers are usually very intellegent

I like that. :-)

Mike Dickson, Black Cat Software Factory, Edinburgh, Scotland

Janelle

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Jun 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/26/98
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Hi Mike! That's what I love so much about my Annie (cat):
when she feels I'm not giving her enough eye contact, she
pulls my glasses off my face!! She loves eye-contact!!!
But they're all so different...makes it more fun!

Peace, Janelle (Jane in PA)

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