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Jeff La Grua

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Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
villian... hopefully they will get better.
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Jeffrey D. Schultz

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In article <323AA4...@sat.net> Jeff La Grua, sni...@sat.net writes:
>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

I thought it was great! Definitely a step above the 2nd season's
lackluster showing, but not quite on the level of season 1. Slightly
different opening theme music and sequence. The continuity is still
strong: part of the moon missing, the smashed up bridge, even
Dinosaur Neil and the Civic Minded 5! I'm looking forward to the next
few Saturday's!

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Matt Lynch

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Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> wrote:

>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

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I must disagree. I haven't watched for a while but now that I have
the time I wanted to get back into it. This ep was hilarious. If I
wasn't hooked before, I'm sure as hell hooked now. I think I must
have laughed for a solid minute at "No, please, stop! I can't read
your crazy moon language!" Hysterical. The ending was a little weak,
but overall a great start to the new season.


Michael Vezie

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In article <323AA4...@sat.net>, Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> wrote:
>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

I liked Taft... that wasn't bad.

Unfortunatelly, I think that was all I really liked. I agree with
someone else that the fight scenes (and Arthur's obtuseness) were way
overdone (someone should tell the editor of that show the purpose for
editing). Also, the villan -- a moustache. It might have possibilities
(anyone remember the Amazing Stories episode, "Hell Toupe"?), but really
didn't work (maybe with better editing again).

Also, it shows a definite change from the way the series has been.
up until now, there have always been clearly-defined areas of good
and evil. You know where you stand. Evil is evil, and good is good,
and never the twain shall blur. But here, we have a moustache that
is the designated Bad Guy for the episode. Okay so far, but what
happens? It turns out to be just looking for it's long lost love,
so is it good? I'm confused, and I shouldn't be confused about good
vs evil where the Tick is concerned. What's next? Is the Bearded
and Mostachioed Man going to start hanging out at the Diner, fighting
evil?

And what's-his-face in the van? I was hoping that he might be another
Angus Mc??? (guy in the comics who (with the Tick's help) nabs Chairface
(great quote: "One of my teeth is a cyanide capsule, but I forget which
one -- I tend to avoid hard foods")), which would be really cool. But
he turned out to be a bad guy. *sigh*

The other disturbing thing was some image-shattering on the part
of the Big Blue Guy himself. The major charm of the tick for me
is that he is innocent. Yes, he's really big and nigh-invulnerable,
but he's basically a little kid when it comes right down to it.
And that's the charm of it. We look at the tick and see the kid
in ourselves in him. Seeing him (even in his mustachioed fantasies)
strutting down the street and acting somewhat like an adult threatened
to shatter that image. Maybe I'm just having an alergic reaction to
the disco music, and I should stop worrying. I'm not sure.

As for the new opening, the main difference is that it seems faster
(musically, edits, etc) than the old one. I expect that's so that
nintendo-addled kiddies can follow it without getting bored when
it stays on the same shot for more than 2 seconds. But it is harder
to follow, I think, which again points to bad editing.

(perspective note -- I have not seen any new episode since The Tick
Loves Santa (Multiple Santa, Yule Tide!), so if what I mentioned above
has been a trend since then, I wouldn't know it. I'm really hoping
that Comedy Central will show some of those episodes (and some of the
first season that I missed)).

In any event, I pray that this season is better than the opener.
I rarely pan shows, but feel I must in this case (this is the first
episode I've seen that I can really say that I didn't like).

With Love in Christ, our Saviour,
Michael, a sinner

Colleen Reeks

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well, the whole point is that the Tick feels grown up once he grows a
mustache......

> As for the new opening, the main difference is that it seems faster
> (musically, edits, etc) than the old one. I expect that's so that
> nintendo-addled kiddies can follow it without getting bored when
> it stays on the same shot for more than 2 seconds. But it is harder
> to follow, I think, which again points to bad editing.
>

personally, I don't care about the opening sequence


>
> With Love in Christ, our Saviour,
> Michael, a sinner

well, I just really liked all the 70's references, Charlie's Angels,
Taft, the funky music....
I also loved it when the mustache dragged Sewer Urchin down the street...

the only problem I had with it is that they could've added some more to
the plot, it was kinda simple.... I think they used this episode as a way
of introducing what's new on the 3rd season, like Dot's engagement.

probably the main problem is that we had all built up this expectation,
remembering only the super-duper-good episodes, which is what really
leaves a mark on you.... I guess this episode was just a matter of taste

Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon

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Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> wrote:

>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

You kidding? The whole Moustache Dance sequence was hilarious.


Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon


Greg Bentley

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d...@best.com (Michael Vezie) writes:

>Also, it shows a definite change from the way the series has been.
>up until now, there have always been clearly-defined areas of good
>and evil. You know where you stand. Evil is evil, and good is good,
>and never the twain shall blur. But here, we have a moustache that
>is the designated Bad Guy for the episode. Okay so far, but what
>happens? It turns out to be just looking for it's long lost love,
>so is it good? I'm confused, and I shouldn't be confused about good
>vs evil where the Tick is concerned. What's next? Is the Bearded
>and Mostachioed Man going to start hanging out at the Diner, fighting
>evil?

What abot Dinosaur Neil? He wasn't evil.

I liked the episode. It's not my favorite, but I loved the seventies jokes.
The Tick walking down the street like John Travolta; Taft; the Charlie's
Angels-like trio.

I agree, however, that the fighting was a bit overdone. I had to laugh at
"Arthur, my mustache is touching my brain!" though.


Hoping for a good season.

-Greg

Hobbes

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d...@best.com (Michael Vezie) writes:

>Also, it shows a definite change from the way the series has been.
>up until now, there have always been clearly-defined areas of good
>and evil. You know where you stand. Evil is evil, and good is good,
>and never the twain shall blur. But here, we have a moustache that
>is the designated Bad Guy for the episode. Okay so far, but what
>happens? It turns out to be just looking for it's long lost love,
>so is it good? I'm confused, and I shouldn't be confused about good
>vs evil where the Tick is concerned. What's next? Is the Bearded
>and Mostachioed Man going to start hanging out at the Diner, fighting
>evil?

Heh. You and I got two different things out of it. For me, Jim Rage,
agent of S.H.A.V.E. was the true villain. Remember the moustache's
comment in the letter--that it picked Tick because it was confident
that Tick would survive S.H.A.V.E.'s assault. Kinda suggested to me
that the moustache hadn't really done any damage, and that it was
the trio of explosives experts that Fury had along with him who were
likely responsible for a good deal of wanton destruction, even if they
thought they were doing the right thing.

>As for the new opening, the main difference is that it seems faster
>(musically, edits, etc) than the old one. I expect that's so that
>nintendo-addled kiddies can follow it without getting bored when
>it stays on the same shot for more than 2 seconds. But it is harder
>to follow, I think, which again points to bad editing.

Yeah, and the music--which *was* great--got butchered by the cheap
edits.

Spoon!

Hobbes
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Matthew Hubbard

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In article <323AA4...@sat.net>, Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> wrote:
>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

The thing I noticed was that the animations were always moving,
even when their was not much reason for them to move; I hope this isn't
the new and improved animation technique.

I think Jim Rage could qualify as a new and improved villian, and Mr.
Beard and Moustache could become this season's Plungerman. I was
disappointed that Arthur was not paying attention to the Tick's real
problem; it's in character that The Tick might not notice the dfferences
between Arthur and his clone, for example, but Arthur is usually more
observant and wary; maybe it's Dot's upcoming marriage that distracted
him. (Obviously, we now have a desperate need for a Dot action figure.)

Overall, I would rank it third best of the three season openers
(Tick vs. Idea Men, Little Wooden Boy in the Belly of Love, That
Moustache Feeling), but I would have to say that *any* new Tick after
such a long drought is a welcome change, especially a new one written by
Ben Edlund. It will also be nice to see the old episodes on a regular
basis on Comedy Central on Sunday nights.

I liked American Maid slugging old Bat Boy, The Tick not knowing
any Spanish, the whole government conspiracy angle with Jim Rage from
Project S.H.A.V.E., but in general there were too many battle scenes of
The Tick vs. The Moustache; with a few exceptions, battle scenes are
usually the weakest part of a Tick episode.

Life has meaning again,
MattH

Hobbes

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Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> writes:

>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I
>feel they could have done much better. The whoel moustache concept was
>kinda lame. I figured they'd at least come up with a "new & improved"
>villian... hopefully they will get better.

I was not disappointed. To be certain, it wasn't the best show ever,
but it had a lot of clever things going on throughout the piece, from
the Nick Fury take-off to the return of the Shaft character. I still
laughed out loud repeatedly, which is more than I can say for other
comedies on TV.

John Vivian Matthews

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Thus Spake Michael Vezie (d...@best.com):
: (anyone remember the Amazing Stories episode, "Hell Toupe"?), but really

And off on a tangent we go...

Wasn't that the new Twilight Zone instead of Amazing Stories? Hmmm....

matt

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I think it showed previews for the new episode , it had Dean and El Seed


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David Foss

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In article <sullivan....@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>, sull...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Hobbes) writes:
>
>
>I was not disappointed. To be certain, it wasn't the best show ever,
>but it had a lot of clever things going on throughout the piece, from
>the Nick Fury take-off to the return of the Shaft character. I still
>laughed out loud repeatedly, which is more than I can say for other
>comedies on TV.
>

Could someone educate us younger folk here about Nick Fury?

dave


kl...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

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In article <51fpbj$l...@shellx.best.com> d...@best.com (Michael Vezie) writes:
>
>Also, it shows a definite change from the way the series has been.
>up until now, there have always been clearly-defined areas of good
>and evil. You know where you stand. Evil is evil, and good is good,
>and never the twain shall blur. But here, we have a moustache that
>is the designated Bad Guy for the episode. Okay so far, but what
>happens? It turns out to be just looking for it's long lost love,
>so is it good? I'm confused, and I shouldn't be confused about good
>vs evil where the Tick is concerned.

I don't know...the Tick parodies a lot of superhero media...how many
old Superfriends cartoons portrayed the villain as "not really evil,
just misunderstood"?

>
>The other disturbing thing was some image-shattering on the part
>of the Big Blue Guy himself. The major charm of the tick for me
>is that he is innocent. Yes, he's really big and nigh-invulnerable,
>but he's basically a little kid when it comes right down to it.
>And that's the charm of it. We look at the tick and see the kid
>in ourselves in him. Seeing him (even in his mustachioed fantasies)
>strutting down the street and acting somewhat like an adult threatened
>to shatter that image. Maybe I'm just having an alergic reaction to
>the disco music, and I should stop worrying. I'm not sure.
>

Well, how many kids act-out adult fantasies and think about how cool
it is to be grown-up? I think that that really showed the Tick's
innocence.

Jim, who really didn't mean to critique the show...heck, I just
enjoyed it...

--
Jim Manchester, Tick FAQ maintainer
che...@ren.psy.jhu.edu
"Rugged, self-assured, adult...these are the words that
describe the man who wears a moustache." -The Tick

Hobbes

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fo...@cco.caltech.edu (David Foss) writes:

>Could someone educate us younger folk here about Nick Fury?

Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., is a comic book character. Jim Rage
is to Nick Fury what Big Shot is to The Punisher. I don't know how
long Fury's been around, but I didn't think he'd been "retired" yet,
either. Anyone else know more?

Sam Spectre

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: Could someone educate us younger folk here about Nick Fury?

Not much to say other than he work a jumpsuit, an eye-patch, carried guns
and had a "secret-op" army that flew around in a giant helicopter-type
air-craft carrier thing... They were kinda silly, IMO. I think Iron Man,
and probably Spider Man either teamed-up with or went up against
(conflicting goals) each other... *shrug* Marvel Comics tried to put
SHIELD out as its own comic in a couple runs, but I don't think they ever
amounted to much... I'm sure I have a few in plastic acid-board backed
comic bags, secured somewhere at the back of my closet; I dare not venture
in there though...

I thought the newest episode was KEEN!

- Sam


DanWi1sn

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Nick Fury is a Marvel Comics character who is the leader of the government
secret (?) ops group known as S.H.I.E.L.D.

He suppossedly died in a showdown with the Punisher recently, but since
when is death ever permanent in the comics world??

Dan

Gregory Loren Hansen

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In article <51fpbj$l...@shellx.best.com>, Michael Vezie <d...@best.com> wrote:
>In article <323AA4...@sat.net>, Jeff La Grua <sni...@sat.net> wrote:
>>Saw the 1st episode of the new season... some good one-liners like Die's
>>"Chick Magnet..." remark and the 'Shaft' wanna-be (complete with
>>background singers- "good neighbor..." & "Feed those cats...") but I

Taft is great! I'd like to see more of him.

>Also, it shows a definite change from the way the series has been.
>up until now, there have always been clearly-defined areas of good
>and evil. You know where you stand. Evil is evil, and good is good,
>and never the twain shall blur. But here, we have a moustache that
>is the designated Bad Guy for the episode. Okay so far, but what
>happens? It turns out to be just looking for it's long lost love,
>so is it good? I'm confused, and I shouldn't be confused about good

>vs evil where the Tick is concerned. What's next? Is the Bearded

But is that so bad? The Moustache was something of a mystery, and that
was the whole point of the character.

>And what's-his-face in the van? I was hoping that he might be another
>Angus Mc??? (guy in the comics who (with the Tick's help) nabs Chairface
>(great quote: "One of my teeth is a cyanide capsule, but I forget which
>one -- I tend to avoid hard foods")), which would be really cool. But
>he turned out to be a bad guy. *sigh*

"Hey, that's not a real eye patch! You're not a real secret agent!" What
can I say?

>The other disturbing thing was some image-shattering on the part
>of the Big Blue Guy himself. The major charm of the tick for me
>is that he is innocent. Yes, he's really big and nigh-invulnerable,
>but he's basically a little kid when it comes right down to it.
>And that's the charm of it. We look at the tick and see the kid
>in ourselves in him. Seeing him (even in his mustachioed fantasies)
>strutting down the street and acting somewhat like an adult threatened
>to shatter that image. Maybe I'm just having an alergic reaction to

What do you think little kids dream about? His fixation with the
moustache was childish. A man like Taft might think a moustache is pretty
cool, but all things considered it's a small part of his life, and Taft
knows it takes more than a moustache to make a man hip.

>As for the new opening, the main difference is that it seems faster
>(musically, edits, etc) than the old one. I expect that's so that

I like the old opening better. I think I always like the old opening
better.


Michael Vezie

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I've read several voices of reason on this, and last night watched
it again, and I've changed my mind on this episode.

The point of the bad guy not being really bad, and a "good guy"
really being the bad guy is fine... I'mmm not sure why it
bothered me the other night. As for the Tick's fixation, of
course he's like a kid pretending to be an adult. I should have
realized that.

I still think the "fight scene" with the Tick and the moustache
were a bit overdone, as was Arthur's reaction (or lack thereof).

But otherwise, I now think it was an okay episode. There were some
very funny parts (the whole dialog between the Tick and Taft ("does
your moustache ever ... hurt you?"), the personals, the charlie's
angels spoof).

And one line I missed the first time I saw it:

"Et tu Chrystal?"

(Jim Rage after Chrystal (that her name? Or Christina?) says,
"You mean we don't have to live in this stupid RV any more?"
(in his intro, he said that he loved her, but wouldn't tell her
until he found the moustache)).

I guess the disco did bother me... I'm of the generation that
rebelled against disco, and it sounds like fingernails on a
blackboard to me.

So anyway, forgive me Ben, I liked it.

In Christ's Love,
Michael, a sinner

Admiral Burlap

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Sep 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/27/96
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On 17 Sep 1996 02:55:50 GMT, glha...@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory

Loren Hansen) wrote:
>In article <51fpbj$l...@shellx.best.com>, Michael Vezie <d...@best.com> wrote:

>>And what's-his-face in the van? I was hoping that he might be another
>>Angus Mc??? (guy in the comics who (with the Tick's help) nabs Chairface
>>(great quote: "One of my teeth is a cyanide capsule, but I forget which
>>one -- I tend to avoid hard foods")), which would be really cool. But
>>he turned out to be a bad guy. *sigh*
>
>"Hey, that's not a real eye patch! You're not a real secret agent!" What
>can I say?

A Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.E.I.L.D parody, for those that didn't read
much Marvel. :) Very cool.

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