Men in Black Again? (fwd)

[Ruth Trimble]

(http://www.aloha.net/~ruth/MinB.html )
According to Hand Clow ("Heart of the Cristos") they are the reason
Atlantis fell.. and they are here 26,000 years later to try again..
Other articles at this site /~ruth/Prism.html on same topic and
/~ruth/Timeline.html
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Abridged From: "Heart of the Christos" - Barbara. Hand Clow: (p.185) Read,

The purpose of the Space Shuttle Program is to send liquid
plutonium out into space from Earth, so that we [Pleiadeans] cannot return
to Earth, and Earth people will not remember their stellar selves.
Scientists who are trying to do this are the Men in Black from Orion.
[snip].

..... The Men in Black (MB) from Orion have infiltrated Earth at this
time because of the level of technology attained. In the last Orion battle
against Earth 26,000 years ago, when Pisces last precessed in Aquarius,
the chance for the cosmic leap-- total attunement to our center, the
Pleiades--was avialable. But Earth people were still too primitive to
accomplish an evolutionary leap because they were enslaved to the will of
the gods, their teachers. The MB from Orion caused a great cataclysm--the
Fall of Atlantis--but the MB did not succeed in their ultimate goal, which
was to wrest the minds of the men from the gods. The "official courses of
information"--historians, anthropologists, archaeologists, and
psychologists--deny the history of Atlantis because, if they admitted to
it, people would remember that destruction has occured before. Then humans
would have a greater hope of identifying the way evil works to trick them
out of their freedom. 26,000 years ago Earth could have evolved into
autonomy--an evolution of conscious lifeforms freely choosing the highest
good--love.
Once love is freely chosen, control and blind obedience are
overcome. The MB once had the opportunity to become autonomous beings.
Refusing to do so with full awareness about their choice, the MB opted for
the brave path of negative polarity. For, balance can only come from
positive and negative polarity. But let us recognize their part in the
present crisis on Earth. Their ancient battle was with the Niburuans and
Sirians, and their struggle is recorded in the many legends about
fratricide; Horus and Set in Egypt, Cain and Abel in the Hebrew Bible, and
Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatzlipoca in Mesoameric. As long as one is in a
karmic cycle, one must choose a role until one's own part in the drama is
recognized. We are not free of the struggle if we believe that opposing
forces are different from our own selves. In that recognition lies the
truth.
The MB from Orion are the ones who set up the paradigm of good
against evil, of original sin against grace, of all heirarchies involving
judgment on Earth. Due to this paradigm of one part against another--the
essential flaw in human DNA, which will be repaired in 1989--Earth people
are always "against" instead of "for." That is the test of the times. That
is why the symbol for the Age of Pisces is two fish swimming in opposition
to the water, which represents the duality of the emotions. The Pleiadean
have been radiating the Earth with love energy since the incarnation of
Christos, for the Piscean Age is the time to prepare for the critical leap
into Aquarius. [snip]

The 20th century is the greatest critical leap time in the cycle, because
MB are heavily incarnated on Earth during this period. This is the same
transition time when these men cause a war on Earth before. Their
particular skill is in setting up situations which encourage evil choices
during the phases of high technology.

These covert cosmic visitors often wear dark blue suits which white shirts
and red ties. Most people on Earth remember their influence during the
Fall of Atlantis [indeed!], and this fear of ancient cataclysm causes an
almost total mental paralysis upon encountering the MB.

The MB are involved in dilemmas of moral choice at this time which are
similar to earlier periods of CHOOSING CONTROL over LOVE. Even the MB may
be capable of choosing life over war at this critical leap time, and thus
forever cease choosing to be conscious agents of evil. If they do so, then
evil will turn to light. The MB are being given this chance by being
offered conscious experiences of their own love, their own positive
energy. This is the Goddess at work. She is succeeding when you see
priests getting married and soldiers ceasing to fight because men can no
longer stand to kill innocent civilians. Since August 16th, 1987,. people
have been finding themselves in the middle of some very confusing
emotional relationships. Many individuals are realizing that souls on the
dark side are drawn to them in order to set up situations in which the
dark forces might be given their last chance to choose to cease evil
action.

Positive energy predominates over negative, but the Men from Orion have
charged the karmic memory pattern with much negative experience, which
people tend to revert to. It is important to be in the present time after
August of 1987 for by 1992, every individual with whom you have ever
experienced evil in past lives will manifest in your life. Welcome them as
your teachers. The exact moment when the MB rejected creation is the only
moment in which they can feel! So when you see sexual addiction, love of
violence, hatred of self, know that these human poisons are a desperate
cry for release by the the imprisoned soul which is seeking surrender.
Orion first learned to feel while using power and control, not by letting
go to a larger force. So, when you find yourself hating another, being
enslaved to an addiction, or enjoying the bizarre outward expressions of
the inner evil of the End Times, then go to the love, to the light
exploding within the chakras of your body. "

p. 185 -188 (Excerpts
continue.....) . ....we discovered ...that when any form initiates
harmony, form cannot be disrupted, for a form in harmony breathes with
God. We were shown a series of visions .... about how this works....that
harmony comes from seeing oneself in the essence of all that is. The
Creator showed us that this teaching is survival itself... The Men from
Orion are the agents of the big lie. In the beginning we were instructed
by the Creator about how to attain harmony, and we each selected different
teachings which are reflected in our work today. ..... The MB have held
the dominant paradigm on Earth: The belief that Earth is the only place in
the universe with conscious lifeforms and that any human who thinks there
is life anywhere else in the universe is a cuckoo brain.
Meanwhile, as the
presence of high intelligence in space has become increasingly apparent to
many intelligent humans, Orion has engaged in a program of seeding
walk-ins--Orion robots-on Earth The walk-ins, or stellar personalities in
human bodies, are attempting to end their Earth debt by releasing
themselves from previous evil acts. They do this by means of particular
learning experiences which will cause them to either again choose evil or
to surrender to the exquisite breathing with God. There is little time
left for soon, evil is to cease being an agent of evolution. The path of
negative polarity has already contributed its full teaching about choosing
love, and its agents will be sucked into negative space/time in 1992. All
must listen to the screaming of souls within--the uncleared evil
experiences--and learn to love all manifestations of the self again.
.....You can observe people at this time wrestling with the test of taking
power as if free will is a boa constrictor at their throats. Offer them
love during their terrible tests. The teachings are coming from pain and
ecstasy, and you cannot wisely choose one side or the other until you have
experienced both. That is why so many of the teachers at this time had
childhoods of great pain and suffering. They needed to totally free
themselves from emotional conflicts at an early age, so that they could
open to remember the ecstasy of being alive on Earth.

More Men in Black:) ...The men from Orion have decided to commence their
third battle, which is going on right now. [Tell me about it!] The MB are
tempted to trigger humans into a nuclear conflict in order to gain
ultimate control. The pollution of the Earth and the paralysis of
well-meaning people is a behavior pattern from the first two wars in this
solar system. For these MB who are true fallen angels, this is their third
and last knock, and could open the door to reunion. If they make the
conditions on Earth bad enough, no one but themselves will be left on
Earth for beings from Orion can tolerate high levels of radiation because
the stars there are extremely dense. Orion immune systems are very strong,
since their low level of vibration enables them to tolerate the typical
modern diet and exposure to pollution and toxic chemicals. And since,
their agenda is negative, the MB are not agonized about the genocide of
the species. In the last battle, 26,000 year ago, crystals were implanted
in the etheric bodies of people by the Orion Atlantean. The Arcturian
Atlanteans made a deal with the OA's. The Arcturians agreed to set up a
planetary stabilization program in this solar system that would culminate
in a great balance between O a.d. and 2012 a.d. The Arcturians did this
with the full agreement that Orion would not interfere with the
cosmological stabilization until 2012 a.m. The MB were allowed in return
to implant crystals in the etheric bodies of certain people which were set
to be released between August 16, 1987 and August 1992. These crystals
contain programs which trigger beings from all parts of the galaxy into
karmic experiences required by the MB to offer them ONE MORE CHANCE to
discover free choice.
To put the matter simply, players in the game were
put into process in the midst of the End Time cycle, because this is
actually a game that most people would rather sit out. The way out of this
labyrinth is the Dreamtime. ...... The people containing these crystals
have been under tremendous stress since the Harmonic Convergence. [Tell me
about it!] The only way to rebalance is to allow yourself to look at your
own dark side and to observe, very intently, the individuals who have come
into your life and triggered you into actions which you would rather
avoid. If the Nazi warriors had already faced their past participation in
evil, Hitler could not have triggered them. Orion has even programmed a
scenario in which the people who can stop the radiation on Earth and space
will cop out at the last minute. .... Now is the time for us to get to
know all the "write protected" programs in our lives. The Orion crystals
are programmed to convince you that the radiation will not really hurt
your children, your Earth. A military man on Earth, when asked about
putting liquid plutonium into space said, "It can't pollute anything up
there!" Clearly, like all of us, he has been in the other star systems and
galaxies, he knows the statement is a lie, but his crystal is programming
him to say something utterly stupid. You can see how deep seated the
problem is by considering the American election after Harmonic
Convergence, when all participants acted like robots and wore dark suits
with red ties. "END. ------------------- Some thing to sit with in
meditation folks.

[John F. Winston]

Now to comment on some information.

I must say that I am impressed by the quality and truthfullness
of the information that you posted.
Thank you,
John Winston.

[Reverend Chupacabra]

Oh, I get it. Republican/Democrat/Tory/Whigs, and
their global counterparts, in Dark Blue Suits
White Shirts And Red Power Ties... Check!
http://www.sacredwhore.com/welcome/

[Xul]

Oooootay...if you say so.

Once again we have been presented with the undeniable fact, proven by
overwhelming evidence, that imaginary reality exists.

Thank you for playing. Next...

Ruth Trimble wrote in message ...

<snapped>

[David]

Will you people get off the craper before its to late for us all, and
start doing some down to earth investigations.
My God you have people being tampered with in their homes and all you
can come up with is some bullshit about spacemen from Orion.
This shit has got to stop!!!! Stop making a mockery of this phenomenon
and start getting some facts!!! And the closest source for those facts
is history and your respected governments. You can do all the UFO
chasing and eyeballing you want, and you can metaphysically contact any
sort of demon that wants to play tricks on you, (Including some
government agency's) but until you go back to basics and start sorting
through the material and comparing time lines you really are wasting
time. And I am afraid that time is what we all do not have at this stage
of the game!!!!!

Dave F

[Xul]

David wrote in message <370C31D3...@cape.com>...

Heh. I have some facts, but nobody would believe me if I told them, so why
bother. Another thing is that if I posted it, it would most likely be
removed from this NG anyway, so again, why bother.

[Irrational Quazgaa]

David wrote:
>
> Will you people get off the craper before its to late for us all, and
> start doing some down to earth investigations.
> My God you have people being tampered with in their homes and all you
> can come up with is some bullshit about spacemen from Orion.
> This shit has got to stop!!!! Stop making a mockery of this phenomenon
> and start getting some facts!!! And the closest source for those facts
> is history and your respected governments. You can do all the UFO
> chasing and eyeballing you want, and you can metaphysically contact any
> sort of demon that wants to play tricks on you, (Including some
> government agency's) but until you go back to basics and start sorting
> through the material and comparing time lines you really are wasting
> time. And I am afraid that time is what we all do not have at this stage
> of the game!!!!!
>
> Dave F

99-01-26 14:08:47 EST
RUBIE

Making Connections: When is a 'god' not a 'god'?
When he's a "Blue Star Warrior"?

<
*Between the Sphinx and the Khefren pyramid Hawass and his staff have discovered a
hitherto unknown subterranean shaft*... *In the bottom of the shaft they found a stone
sarcophagus surrounded by water. If Hawass's theory holds, he has found the grave of
Osiris, the god of death.*>>
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Regarding the article (above) as seen on your site at: The Grave of Osiris
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/osiris.txt

MAKING CONNECTIONS!

A week *BEFORE* the Hawass article (above) appeared, I had found and sent you
the following item:
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Subj: Alien/Egyptian Connection?
Date: 99-01-16 11:34:46 EST
From: Rubie2zDay
To: Phikent

"Have you ever wondered why the Egyptians put their mummified dead into a sarcophagus
which holds a remarkable resemblance to current day gestation tubes for cloning?
Also, holds a strong resemblance to cyrogenic tubes."

"If space travellers were in suspended animation or just for argument, in the process of
gestation, and found by ancient man ... it would appear that the contents would be
dead ... but then somehow they arose. Might give ancient man the idea that life
continues after death if prepared and packaged properly."

"But, they didn't have the technology that their *gods* had. They were trying to
duplicate events that they had witnessed."
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The above was, also, forwarded here:
Re: [Illusions] Re: Fwd: Alien/Egyptian Conne...
http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg02866.shtml
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I, then, read the following on the IUFO Mailing List, regarding Hawass' article:
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:04:48 +0000
From: Ashley Rye
Subject: Re: IUFO: "Osiris's Grave" Detected Near The Sphinx By Hawass

*If this a stone sarcophagus, and a grave, as reported, then presumably there was a
human being buried there - but Osiris was a god,..unless we assume the ancient
Egyptians made a practice of impersonating their gods, or representing them symbolically
in funeral rites.*

....is there any conceivable connection here with the (as yet unproven) claims of Larry
Hunter that *a body, apparently in suspended animation*, dressed in pink robes with the
cartouche of Osiris, was removed, along with artifacts of an ancient advanced technology
which were sold to JPL for seven million dollars? Does anyone recall a long article
about a so-called Hall of Osiris removed abruptly from Amargi Hillier's web site, after
he was subjected to physical attacks and threats by three individuals, one military, in
a dark alley in Cairo?...

....the official discovery of a water shaft, and now, apparently,the so-called tomb of a
god, apparently a discovery sufficiently important to make Hawass weep, after we have been
informed that the Great Pyramid may in fact be closed to the public FOR GOOD....

And then we have the cryptic verses from the so-called Emerald Tablets, supposedly
written by *Thoth the Atlantean, who is said to lie in *suspended animation* in the
Halls of Amenti beneath the Great Pyramid?*...I don't think we're being given a true
picture of events at Giza...

Complete letter here:
Re: "Osiris's Grave" Detected Near The Sphinx...
http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg03189.shtml
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Following are items, I've read, in the past. Many of them, also, seem to make the same
connections. Words in [brackets] are mine.

"Regarding the rumors circulating [last year] about the discovery of a new waterlogged
chamber and sarcophagus down the well shaft beneath Khafra's Causeway...the sarcophagus,
found, will hold a 'warrior' in *suspended animation.* His "Blue Star" [craft] which
*was* under the "great vault" [pyramid] has long since been spirited off to a facility
north east of *Holsteinsborg, Greenland.*"

Other items I've read...

"The mathmatics derived from the dimensions of ALL three pyramids gave a tech civilization
the coordinates to the builders origins. And these same dimensions indicate a specific
location on Earth and the moon where an "ATLAS and HISTORY "of man kind's origins could
be found."
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"Recently, [last year] it was rumored, that there was some type of explosion or radiation
release in one of the underground chambers being searched, at Giza. Apparently, the
(govt/NASA) people running a piece of equipment weren't all that familiar with how to
work it, properly, and it exploded, letting radiation out, on them." [The incident,
of course, never made it to the press or TV.]

[NOTE: Maybe THAT'S the reason Hawass *CAN'T* re-open the pyramid. Radiation??!]
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"They" did not call themselves Martians, they called their race pharoh. Pharoh, spelled
that way, in the old Arabic languages, used some 10,000 years ago, means Star Child Or
Children of the Stars .. depending on how you want to translate it...The *early* pyramids
were *originally* built to house the 'Blue Stars'"
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"Mars is the first planet in our solar system to be inhabited. But, Earth was developed,
i.e. prepared for Humanoids to live here. The air, ozone, etc., were altered to fit the
needs of the "Ohrs", or roughly translated into english "The Preparers".

[Interesting, sounds *exactly* like the plans NASA has for 'terreforming' Mars!]

"The Ohrs have been involved with earth for over 72,000 years. About 34,000 years ago
they had a "change of direction" and abandoned their tech way of life. They became
more of a back to nature way of life. They took their tech, stored it away into shrines,
pyramids, etc. Some of it would be useful in future generations. They slipped into a "one
with nature" attitude and philosophy. These humanoids had an unbelieveable life span.
Disease and sickness was so uncommon, they didn't even have hospitals, as we know them.
However, their bodies once damaged, were not able to repair themselves. They had
controlled proliferation, and the populace of the planet never exceeded the normal supply
the planet provided. This is more attuned to the type of people they originated from.
The exact solar system is known to a select few."
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"a great war was fought once in our solar system. One of our planets was devastated
because of it. But by the end of it the aggressor was beat back and they were able to
rebuild here on Earth"
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"There have been 7 ships found in different stratas that would suggest that these ships
have been coming to earth somehow over the last 100,000 years...There was a tablet found
in PA over 100 years ago at about a mile below the surface in a coal mine. Before it
disintegrated, photos were taken of the writing. That tablet was deciphered and has been
used for translations...also happens to be the location of one of the crash sites...
Similar to some of our ancient languages during the time
Ur existed."
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"2 of the craft sites are definitely different from the rest...They are different in
design. There's no hierogliphics, and the biological units are noticeably different...
Suggesting different paths of evolution....The other 2 craft are definitely not of this
solar system. Propulsion system suggests that they are from another solar system...5 not
sure what's happened, the 2 alien craft and 3 of the humanoid craft have been confiscated.
One is too large to move, and the other is buried in an extremely public place and can't
be removed. The bodies themselves can withstand long term travel...bodies found in 2
craft...In the other 5, no...we do have what is similar to holograms, of what they look
like and how they talk"
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"The crash in the desert was close to Gila Bend...Part of its excavation was masked by
the mining of copper, within a mile of the site..."
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"There's a UFO in a large lake or bay up in Canada...It's watched over. Not many people
know it's there, although there were many witnesses when it crashed. Small pieces have
been brought up for dissection...It's not underground. Its at the bottom of a large
lake/bay up in Canada ... very accessible."
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"Real UFO events occur on event horizons...they repeat. An event horizon is where an
entity travelling through space arrives at a specific point at a specific time every
time, given that it originates from the same point. A ship leaving Jupiter in January ...
will arrive 8 months later on Earth at a specific point on Earth ...the same time
at the same place on Earth"
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"let's suppose ... You had an armada of crafts approaching Earth ...Using a pipelike
clear gelatinish extremely high explosive that detonates on impact & was set in close
Earth orbit, approx. 180 miles up, by the thousand .. millions. There's no way of
tracking it through radar and other type of searching devices, and you fly right into
them...Slow you down a bit....our most potent defensive screen against an outside
aggressor. Completely undetectable, and extrememly efficient. The plasma beam,
will work on heavy crafts. Specific deliberate target, but has a limited use."
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"Suppose most of our space missions were sent from other areas of the earth. Areas
where there is virtually no population or if there is they wouldn't know what they were
seeing, anyway. [these 'secret' missions being missions to the moon.] That would make
the visible missions a show for the public. Then, suppose what the Apollo astronauts saw
on the moon, was not alien. No alien ships or alien machinery but our machinery...our
base on the back side of the moon where more ships can be sent into space away from
public scrutiny...Cape Canaveral having way to much visibility."

[Could account for the alleged activity/lights etc. that have been seen around the moon,
for years?]
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[Regarding Roswell]
"...There were two small humanoid bodies just outside the ship. They appeared to have
been placed there as we would our own dead. One more close by laying against a rock
seemed to have passed away peacefully. The fourth, appearing a little larger than the
rest,was sitting up on the crest above the ship. He was holding a small black shiny box.
We came to find out later that it was a device used to create a virtual reality type
video, that placed the operator mentally into the memories of the donator. This
particular box contained memories of one of the female engineers. This being died within
the first two hours of captivity."

[Not so far fetched! I remember a recent article stating that the British, have developed
an implant that when placed behind the eye, will record a persons whole life, thoughts
etc....called the "Soul-Catcher"]
"Soul Catcher"
http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/soul.htm

"Inside the ship there was located a ball-like structure at the front that opened when
touched. Inside appeared to be a human form melted into a large chair. It wasn't until
the ship was under heavy guard that this "warrior" separated from the ship and
stepped through the large hole in its side. As he stepped out of the ship, the ship
emitted a loud vibrating sound. *At the same time, the Ft. Worth / Dallas area
experienced a total blackout. The date ... August 8, 1947.* "

Above links from:
'warrior' Blue Star
An Ancient Saga
http://www.eagle-net.org/phikent/orbit/april/ra.html
great vault
An Ancient Saga ll
http://www.eagle-net.org/phikent/orbit/april/ra2.html
space missions
Cydonia: A New Mystery
http://www.eagle-net.org/phikent/orbit/april/mystery.html
a total blackout
An Ancient Saga lll
http://www.eagle-net.org/phikent/orbit/may/ra3.html

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SKYNET-7 : When it comes to science, we're all just babes in the
cosmic playpen. http://www.linkline.com/personal/tkadams/tr-3b.htm

The F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter was in service for 6 to 8 years
before the public was informed. Inside secret military leaks tell us
the TR-3B has been in service since 1994.
Sources say witnessing this craft will do one of two things to you.
Either make you think you really are just some wayward experiment or
turn you against the governments. It's un-earthly technology and sight
will literally blow your mind.

茅he US Patriots
Welcome to the TR-3B:

It has been rumored for years that the military's black operations
has perfected incredibly advanced gravity-defying triangular supersecret
aerial platforms at least partially derived from ET technology.

Tonight, the world's most exotic and classified aerospace vehicle
could be stealthily hovering somewhere over Phoenix, Arizona,
Gulf Breeze, Florida, the country of Belgium, or your city.
It is known as the TR-3B.

Science fiction or fact, you ask? High rank military officers detail
the astounding government cover-up effected by the MJ-12 committee and
reveal for the first time ultra top secret information about alien
technology and reverse engineered technology we have developed
as a result of the recovered alien artifacts.

The TR-3B is NOT fiction and was built with technology available in the
mid-1980s or earlier. The triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace
platform was developed under the Aurora Program with SDI and black
budget monies.

The Aurora Program is a top secret development program for advanced
aerospace vehicles and has been responsible for development of the
hypersonic strategic reconnaissance SR-75 Penetrator which replaced
the SR-71 spy plane, and the SR-74 Scramp, which rides piggy-back
the SR-75.

The tactical reconnaissance TR-3B's first operational flight was in
the early 90s. Technology assuredly developed from reverse engineering
of recovered alien artifacts and programs such as the SR-74 and SR-75
was used in the TR-3B. At least three of the billion dollar plus
TR-3Bs were flying by 1994.

The TR-3B vehicle's outer coating is reactive to electrical stimulation
and can change color, reflectiveness, and radar absorptiveness, thus
making the vehicle look like a small aircraft or a flying cylinder--or
even tricking radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of
aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations.

A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the "Magnetic Field
Disrupter" surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead
of any imaginable technology. Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed
the reverse engineered MFD technology. The government will go to any
lengths to protect this technology.

The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field that disrupts or neutralizes
the effects of gravity on mass within proximity by 89 percent. This is
not antigravity. Anti-gravity provides a repulsive force that can be
used for propulsion. The MFD creates a disruption of the Earth's
gravitational field upon the mass within the circular accelerator.

The mass of the circular accelerator, and all mass within the accelerator,
such as the crew capsule and the nuclear reactor, are reduced by almost
90%. This causes the effect of making a vehicle extremely light and able
to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet constructed--except, of course,
those UFOs we did not build. The TR-3 is a reconnaissance platform with an
indefinite loiter time. "Indefinite" because it uses a nuclear reactor
for power.

Many sightings of triangular UFOs are not alien vehicles but the ultra
top secret TR-3B. The NSA, NRO, CIA, and USAF have been playing a shell
game with aircraft nomenclature - creating the TR-3, modified to the TR-3A,
the TR-3B, and the Teir 2, 3, and 4, with suffixes like 'Plus' or 'Minus'
added on to further confuse the fact that each of these designators is a
different aircraft and not the same aerospace vehicle. A TR-3B is as
different from a Teir 3B as a banana is from a grape. Some of these
vehicles are manned and others are unmanned.

The TR-3B's propulsion is provided by three multimode thrusters mounted
at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach
9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l00,000 feet--then God knows
how fast it can go!
http://www.linkline.com/personal/tkadams/tr-3b.htm

[Irrational Quazgaa]

Xul wrote:
>
> Oooootay...if you say so.
>
> Once again we have been presented with the undeniable fact, proven by
> overwhelming evidence, that imaginary reality exists.
>
> Thank you for playing. Next...
>
> Ruth Trimble wrote in message ...
> >

> <snapped>

Records of Past Civilizations - http://www.habtheory.com/111.htm

Such records have indeed been found ... in China. These were
contained in a large number of peculiar stone disks discovered
in some underground repositories in the Himalayas near the border
of Tibet.

The discovery of the disks was made in 1938 by Professor Chi Pu

Tei, an archeologist who was leading students on an expedition
into the Bayan Kara Ula Mountains in the then-disputed frontier
territory of Tibet and China. Professor Chi Pu Tei and his students
discovered what was first described as a series of caves, but
later admitted to be a complex system of artificial tunnels and
underground storerooms. These tunnels were perfectly squared and
the walls, ceilings and floors were highly glazed, as if the
passages and rooms were carved by a device emitting heat of such
intensity that it simply melted its way into the mountains.

The archeological group followed some of these passages and
encountered larger chambers in which numerous un-described
implements were discovered. The implements evidently differed from
one chamber to another, but one item was found in common in each
of the chambers -- the stone disks mentioned earlier. In each
chamber, they were found in the same position -- on a smooth
cube of rock, glazed just as the tunnels were, with anywhere
from seven to 20 of the disks neatly stacked on top.

Each disk was 22.7 cm (9 inches) in diameter and 2 cm
(3/4 inch) thick. Each disk also had a perfectly circular 2 cm hole
in the exact center. The outside edges were regularly indented all
the way around, almost like the fluting on a pie crust. Each disk
also had a twin groove which began at the center hole and gradually
moved in an expanding counterclockwise spiral to the outer rim. The
individual disks thus bore a certain similarity to the phonograph
records of today.

All of the disks -- a total of 716 -- were removed and taken for
study to the Peking Academy of Prehistory. Nothing was heard about
this discovery by Western scientists for the next 27 years.
During that period, the disks were being studied intensively
by Professor Tsum Um Nui.

The Bayan Kara Ula Mountains area is one of the most isolated and
least known areas on Earth today. The nearest city of any consequence
is Lhasa, Tibet, about 400 miles to the south through virtually
impassable terrain.

It is an area presently inhabited by two tribes of very unusual
people. The tribes call themselves Dropa and Han, and simply do
not fit into any racial category established by anthropologists.
For one thing, they are both of pygmy stature. The tallest and
shortest adults have measured 4' 7" and 3'6" respectively, but
the average height is 4'2". They are yellow-skinned. Their heads
are disproportionately large and sparsely haired, and their eyes
are large but not Oriental in aspect, with pale bluish irises.
Their features are very nicely formed, most nearly approximating
Caucasian, and their bodies are extremely thin and delicate.
Adult weight is estimated to average about 38 to 52 pounds.

The disks underwent extensive study by Professor Tsum Um Nui,
interrupted at times by war. It took him and his coworkers only
a short time to discover that the spiral grooves were not sound
tracks but, rather, an incredibly ancient writing inscribed in
some unknown way and very nearly microscopic in size. The disks
were determined to be no less than 3,000 or 4,000 years old at
the youngest, and more likely anywhere from 8,000 to 12,000
years old.

This would make them the oldest known form of writing in the world.

Deciphering was incredibly difficult. It took 24 years -- until
1962 -- before Professor Nui and a young colleague found the key
and began deciphering=2E The deciphered spiral text of the stones,
even though only a small amount was completed, was so startling
in its content that the Chinese government prohibited any
publication of the resultant papers.

The precise location of the site has never been released, and
that area has been termed 'Positively Forbidden Territory' for
the Western world since 1938.

Then, in 1965, in a mysterious manner, an article written by
the Russian philologist Vyacheslav Saizev appeared in Das
Vegetarische Universum, a German magazine, and in the Russian-
English magazine Sputnik, telling about the disks, their qualities
and composition, and a little about what had been deciphered from
them. It's rather startling. http://www.habtheory.com/111.htm
___________________________________

The alleged "Visitor" connection to
the STONE DISK STORY ---> http://www.cseti.com/crashes/130.htm

&: http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/9808/pr2_0898.htm
___________________________________

[Irrational Quazgaa]

Xul wrote:
>
> Oooootay...if you say so.
>
> Once again we have been presented with the undeniable fact, proven by
> overwhelming evidence, that imaginary reality exists.
>
> Thank you for playing. Next...
>
> Ruth Trimble wrote in message ...
> >

> >(http://www.aloha.net/~ruth/MinB.html )
> >According to Hand Clow ("Heart of the Cristos") they are the reason
> >Atlantis fell.. and they are here 26,000 years later to try again..

> <snapped>

From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:

Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
Organization: The B:.B:.

-=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-

The Horrible Truth!

-=oOo=-

(c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda

contacted and interpreted by
Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat
published by
Leading Edge International Research Group
and
presented by
Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
(Gregorian)

- Sagitarius in Libra -
[or reasonably close thereof]

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
as related by Alex Collier.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Update: [October 3, 1997]

o The use of temporal travel has been utilized by several
factions, both alien to earth in terms of location and dimension
and factions involved with earth governments.

o The use of temporal travel by these factions created a minimum
of two major parallel reality structures with respect to the
main timeline flow on earth, one involving the extension of
the paradigm of the Nazi's, and the other one involving Orion
induced bacteriological warfare on the earth. The first
skermishes between the Draconian and Orion factions, and the
Andromedan Council factions have been occuring since 1996 into
the present.

o The creation of these alternate timelines has produced event
horizons in the main timeline which involve tyranny extending
into the 28th century, although the investigations by Robert
Monroe show that tyranny does not exist in the 30th century,
meaning that something affected the main timeline flow.

o The paradigm of Bashar and the Essassani, who are a mixture of
human/grey hybrids, involves the coming back through time from
700 years in the future to state their case.

o The paradigm of several factions of Grey entities has dabbled
in the main timeline for thousands of years.

o Dimensions parallel to the current timeline are actively
interfacing with the main timeline.

o The Zenetae came back from 375 years in the future, wherein
tyranny exists, in an attempt to alter the timeline to eliminate
the tyranny which is tearing apart the universe.

o Members of the human society on earth in the 28th century, where
all humans contain microchips and are docile, are here attempting
to tweak events.

o The Zenetae, as a faction representative of an overall effort by
hundreds of worlds, have apparently managed to halt all temporal
travel, previously in some areas, but as of October 1 in all
areas and between all parallel dimensions to the current time-
line, having the effect of speeding up the current timeflow even
more as the parallel timelines have been effectively accelerated.
The overall effect is accelerating the main timeline even more,
hastening the implosion of the parallel timelines into the main
timeline.

o Recent reports indicate that the 28th century timeline, the New
World Order, is beginning to flutter, making those that have come
here from that time extremely nervous.

o The open flight of many of the triangular craft, piloted by
members of the Draconian/Orion faction and its human counter-
parts has increased between June 1997 and October 1997, as
they make efforts to grapple with control.

o The current situation with the Andromedans is such that they
are now examining the potential effect of further actions on
their part, as to the effect on their own civilization, and are
pondering the potential of interacting openly on the level and
dimension of the main timeline. (Oct 3). Further information
will be forthcoming on this.

o The timeloops created by the Phildelphia experiment have been
shut down (Oct 3).

o In deference to media and television on the concept of "time
cops", they apparently do exist, are watching, and are
concerned. Possibly more data on that forthcoming.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Attn: Intelligence Analysts
===========================

We are faced here with a bit of a dilemna in terms of this recent
batch of Andromedan Intell. On the up side, of course, we note
with great relief not only that the timeloops created by the
notorious Philadelphia/Montauk experiments have been shut down
(finally!) but also that the great dimensional merge (wherein all
maverick multiverse timelines and dimensions unite with the current
reality) is proceeding precisely as planned and the time cops are
thankfully back "on the beat."

On the down side, however, we continue to be plagued by those
pesky Draconian Orion Aliens -- Reptoids, no doubt -- and their
Sinister Triangular Crafts. (cf: "Ides of March" Phoenix flyover
event, etc.) Further, covert operatives who've recently snuck in
from the 28th century New World Order timeline have really turned
up the heat, causing their drones, the insidious little grey
aliens, to continue coring out bovine rectums and dabbling in our
primary timeline; creating renegade subspace rifts and dimensional
vorteces with reckless abandon, the spindly little bastards.

Hell, it's a goddam JUNGLE out there!

Meanwhile, talks with The Zenetae (as ambassadors representing
literally hundreds of worlds) have produced such benefits as
bringing all temporal travel to a screeching halt, the formulation
of multidimensional pre-emptive plans to abort the future tyranny
which looms some 375 years from now and threatens to tear apart
the entire Universe until well into the 28th century. To aid in
these efforts, Essassani data -- from 700 years in the future --
is currently being crunched by some of our finest minds.

As is generally the case, however, it seems to keep coming back to
Hal and the other Xenu Scientologists who got us into this mess in
the first place! Hal, we're really counting on you to come through
with that ZPE stuff in a major way here, guy -- there is a great
deal which rides upon the success or failure of your mission!

BlueBird out.

[eof]

[Irrational Quazgaa]

Reverend Chupacabra wrote:
>
> John F. Winston wrote:
> > >
> > > Now to comment on some information.
> > >
> > > I must say that I am impressed by the quality and truthfullness
> > > of the information that you posted.
> > > Thank you,
> > > John Winston.
>
> Ruth Trimble wrote:

SN-o0O0o-IP

> > ... Clearly, like all of us, he has been in the other star systems and

> > galaxies, he knows the statement is a lie, but his crystal is programming
> > him to say something utterly stupid. You can see how deep seated the
> > problem is by considering the American election after Harmonic
> > Convergence, when all participants acted like robots and wore dark suits
> > with red ties. "END. ------------------- Some thing to sit with in
> > meditation folks.
>
> Oh, I get it. Republican/Democrat/Tory/Whigs, and
> their global counterparts, in Dark Blue Suits
> White Shirts And Red Power Ties... Check!
> http://www.sacredwhore.com/welcome/

"There is one neurosis - many manifestations - and one cure... feeling".

"Feeling pain is the end of suffering".

"The number one killer in the world today is not cancer or heart disease; it is
repression. There is almost no disease, mental or physical, without repression.
Repression is the hidden force behind illness".

Dr. J

Repressed pain divides the self in two and each side wars with the other. One is the
real self, loaded with needs and pain that are submerged; the other is the unreal self
that attempts to deal with the outside world by trying to fulfill unmet needs with
neurotic habits or behavior, such as obsessions or addictions. The split of the self is
the essence of neurosis and neurosis can kill.

Pain that is the result of needs and feelings that have gone unfulfilled in early life.
Early unmet needs create what I call Primal Pain. Coming close to death at birth or
feeling unloved as a child are examples of such pain. The pain goes unfelt at the time
because the body is not equipped to experience it fully and deal with it. When the
pain is too much, it is repressed and stored away. When enough unresolved pain has
occurred, you lose access to your feelings and become neurotic.

.....

Levels of Consciousness

Primal therapy is based on the assumption that very early
trauma can and does reside (is imprinted) in brainstem
structures in conjunction with the limbic system (the
"feeling" brain). Very deep, early trauma can
therefore account for a whole host of later symptoms
emanating from these structures, including attention deficit
disorder, aggressiveness, insomnia, sexual problems,
migraine headaches, heart palpitation, high blood pressure,
shortness of breath, anxiety and short attention span.
According to Paul Maclean of the Laboratory of Brain
Evolution in Poolesville, Maryland, human beings have a
"triune brain," made of up three elements: a
reptilian brain, the (primarily) brainstem structures we share
with reptiles; the paleomammalian brain, or limbic system,
which we have in common with other mammals; and the
mammalian brain, or neocortex.

Maclean has pointed out that these three brains operate like interconnected computers,
each with its own special function and memory. To account for what we have seen in Primal
Therapy, I have taken this concept further. My discovery that Maclean's three brains are
home to three distinct levels of consciousness has become a cornerstone of Primal theory.
Diagnosis, prognosis, and access to feelings rely on this concept. I agree with McAllen
that these three levels of consciousness correspond to specific brain structures and are
intimately interconnected, though each level has different functions. What each of these
three brains does and how they interact are fundamental to understanding neurosis.
*The first brain level to evolve, which I call "first-line consciousness," is the
instinctive level. Largely located in the brainstem and hypothalamus, it regulates vital
functions.*The limbic system is the seat of the emotional "second-line consciousness,"
where our feelings reside. It is mediated by the brain's limbic system and temporal lobe.
*On the "third line" or cortical level, we reason and develop ideas, integrating the input
from the two lower levels, providing the meaning of experience. The development of each
level of consciousness mirrors the evolutionary development of our species. Just as
hundreds of millions of years elapsed between the evolution of the first line and the
arrival of the thinking cortex, a person's development of first-line consciousness far
predates the time when his neo-cortex functions. This helps explain how we can experience
trauma before we have words to describe what happened. And as I will show, it helps explain
how it's possible for us to be "unconscious" of memories which affect us for a lifetime.

Instinctual Consciousness: The first line involves the primitive nervous system.
Although its structures are competent at birth, they actually begin processing during
gestation and mediate the physiological changes in development. The first-line is the
visceral mind, the caretaker of sensations, so that vital functions are largely under
its control: breathing, cardiovascular activity, hormone output, digestion and urinary
processes, et al. First-line consciousness preserves homeostasis, meaning that it
maintains our blood pressure, heart rate, and other vital functions at appropriate
levels. Since we always respond with the highest level of neurologic functioning
available to us, traumas which occur before six months of age are likely to affect
these functions.

Hence, if a patient presents with colitis or palpitations, we may anticipate that a
first-line trauma --something which happened before the infant was six months old --
is involved. This may help to explain why some people have far lower pulse, blood
pressure, and body temperature than others. We have seen that early trauma can change
the set-point for the body's thermostat, hormones, and much of our biology, often
playing an unseen but direct role in later physical illness. Because first-line
development predates emotions, it cannot cry tears, as we see when repressed first-line
traumas rise to consciousness. Nor, of course, can it speak, as language is a higher
level function which comes later. When patients relive very early traumas, there are
never any words involved. The first-line can, however, store the cataclysmic
sensations of approaching death, the frenzied breathing and body movements, such as
those which arise when traumatic birth memories break through the repressive barriers,
as seen in the example I described in the Introduction. Moreover, these same memories,
unseen but active physiologically, tax the organism for years and decades and can play
a role in the development of cardiovascular disease and other ailments, as I shall
explain later.

First-line Pains are the least accessible; it is the level from which memories are
the most ifficult to retrieve. Perhaps because first-line feelings are so difficult
to access, when they are accessed they are the most resolving of both symptoms and
suffering and give rise to the most global insights. It is this level that is disrupted
at the beginning of life altering hormone output, such as thyroid. And it is in reliving
this level that hormone output is finally stabilized. We know that thyroxine (secreted
by the thyroid gland) begins its manufacture at about twenty weeks of fetal age. Stress
by the mother can be transmitted to the fetus making slight alterations in thyroxine set
points. Later on, in childhood or adulthood, one can see beginning tendencies to
either oversecretion or undersecretion of thryoid hormones. Patients who were
hypothyroid, listless and lacking energy, gaining weight too easily, are often no longer
hypothyroid after reliving traumas on the first-line. Although patients make progress
throughout their therapy, it is only when they access first-line that major biologic
changes take place. Without access to this level, no one can imagine or believe what
goes on here, and what an incredible impact trauma on the first-line has on later
behavior and symptom development, how it shapes who we are and what we do. I shall show
later on how we measure this level of functioning.

Emotional Consciousness: How and Where We Process Feelings, The second line -- the
"affective level" or "feeling mind" --begins to develop at about the sixth month
and continues into childhood. Over time, the infant relates to an ever-larger world
than the breast and mother's cheek, establishing emotional attachments to parents,
siblings, aunts and uncles, pets, coding feelings on the second-line. This is the
level of feeling states, emotional memories, tears, tics, and stuttering. It can be
musical, develop images, and appreciate poetry. It's also where the strange images
found in children's drawings come from and, later, in the paintings of artists.
The second-line connot do calculus, but it can dream and mix emotions with first-line
sensation to form the guts and agony of experience. It can defend consciousness
against the terror of a first-line trauma and attenuate the force of low-lying
imprinted memory by converting the terror into fearful dreams with monsters trying
to strangle us, or to a phobia of enclosed places.
The second-line encapsulates the sensations from the first-line. Under stress a
child may develop a choking sensation. It is the first-line intruding on the second.
A traumatic event such as incest which occurs at the age of four or five or six
largely involves the second line, and the suffering, feeling component of Pain is
stored on this level. When the second-line is in operation, the child has control
of the muscles of the body wall, and with that comes the ability to be tense in those
muscles to help block anxiety, which is, by and large, a first-line reaction.
To be more specific, anxiety is the result of a combination of deep bodily turbulence
with non-specific third-line cortical arousal. That means that specific deep Pain
stimulates the cortex in a diffuse way so that the person feels all activated without
knowing why. It feels bad, and we call it "anxiety". Once connected to real events
and real scenes in the past it is no longer anxiety; it is consciously integrated
deep memory. When our adult patients reliving an early second-line trauma begin to
cry like an infant, indeed as an infant -- in a way that would be impossible if they
tried to do so willfully -- it's a clear indication of the fact that memories
from different times of life reside on different levels of consciousness.

The Intellectual Level:
How Thinking Defends Us Against Feeling and Why Being Smart Has Nothing to do With
Neurosis. The third-line begins to play an active role at about age six and goes on
developing until around age 20. Mediated by the brain's frontal lobe, the third-line
organizes things intellectual. Third-line consciousness integrates the lower levels,
helps inhibit impulses and feelings, deals with the external world, and provides the
meaning of feelings. Necessity is the mother of invention, especially in terms of brain
function. A long time ago, when our ancestors had to hide from adversity, the migration
of brain cells upward and outward to form the neo-cortex gave them an evolutionary edge.
Thanks to this evolutionary development we have inherited the ability to understand
language and to speak. The neo-cortex deals in logic, rationality, concepts,
calculation, and reality testing. It can develop ambition, plan for the future, have
insights, be socially and politically aware and have a sense of time. It can be
"reasonable," forgive, pretend, develop complex philosophies. The neo-cortex or
third-line consciousness finds "reasons" to explain other people's behavior, enables
us to project motives onto others, have faulty perceptions, and bend logic into accord
with our internal truths.

Indeed, with the aid of a newly-developed cortex, we became able not only to escape
from saber-toothed tigers and figure out where to find food and warmth; we also had
a way to escape from our Pain-filled selves. With third-level consciousness we can
think and solve problems, but we cannot feel without access to the second-line. The
third-line conjures up ideas to defend against both second line and first-line trauma.
The neo-cortex's ability to inhibit feeling permits us to focus, concentrate, make
plans and set goals and follow them through, to keep functioning even though there may
be a seething cauldron of Pain below. This survival mechanism allows many people who
are very traumatized deep down to "find God" as a way to shield themselves from Pain,
not knowing that their beliefs are being generated by repressed material. It makes it
possible for the same person to juxtapose complex scientific information with the most
irrational ideas. One may be totally logical in working out a problem in differential
calculus while simultaneously believing in an all-powerful being who created the world
in six days; a brain surgeon can be a "Moonie". Because it is shielded from the feelings
stewing at a lower level of consciousness, the rational mind is useless to analyze the
contradictions involved in the belief system. In fact, whatever else the neo-cortex does
is an adjunct to this central function of repression. As we grow up, maturation of the
greater cortical organization we develop brings with it greater capacity for repression.
Thus we have three levels of consciousness, with each one separated by evolutionary time
and serving specific functions in the psychic economy. Paul Maclean puts it as follows:
"We are obliged to look at ourselves and the world through the eyes of three different
mentalities--two of which lack the power of speech. The human brain amounts to three
interconnected biological computers, each with its own special intelligence, its own
subjectrivity, its own sense of time and space, its own memory, motor and other functions."

(Maclean P.. The Triune Brain) On the first-line there are sensations but no tears or
images; on the second-line, feelings and images but no complex ideas; on the third-line,
complex thoughts but no feelings or sensations.
Damage to one level will not necessarily affect another. For example, one can have
the speech area of third-line consciousness damaged but still be fully feeling. One
can have one's motor functions impaired but retain crystal clear perception. Those
in a coma are operating on the first-line, with the two higher levels inactive.
They may continue to live for months or even years in a vegetative state. They make
no contact and behave at a rudimentary level, certainly with no concept of what is
going on -- but they are "functioning." Those who have woken from comas report that
they perceived touch and reassurance at some level. Holding the hand of someone who
is under anesthesia can help attenuate pain to some extent. The person still senses
this contact even though he is "unconscious," or residing on another level of
consciousness. We can think of the first-line as a brain stem with a slight addition,
very much like a shark brain. The brain of the turtle seems to have the first
inchoate cortex in evolution allowing for second-line dream functioning. Finally,
there is the brain of humans, combining these earlier brains with the new capacity for
ideas and consciousness, or the ability to understand what might be going on down
below. Each level of consciousness contributes to what we call "mind." In a normal,
healthy person, these three distinct minds function as a single mental apparatus,
with fluid access between the levels. They work in harmony for the good of the
organism, allowing the person to be a feeling, thinking being, with feeling and
thinking integrated, with full reactivity so that she has healthy emotional reactions
to outside stimuli and is able to think clearly about these emotions and use them as
guides for behavior. Health means optimum coherence or connectedness among levels,
harmonious functioning which serves survival. But trauma interferes with this harmony,
causing "unconsciousness." Repression interferes with integration among these three
levels and causes a global dislocation of function in both the body and mind spheres.
It makes organs over-secrete or under-secrete, warps the physical development and
alters blood vessel function. With repression and neurosis we can feel one way and
think another; behave one way and feel another; say one thing and mean another; not
know what we're feeling; react in ways which are more linked to something that
happened to us in the past than what is before us in the present. Why? We are
reacting to the present through the filter of memories which are stored. These
memories may and often do predate the words. The symptoms that we have in childhood
and later on often drive from these early imprints. Anything that works to dampen
the output of brainstem energy sources may ameliorate those symptoms. It seems to
be that if the hypothesis of lower level pain receptors proliferating as a result
of early imprinted pain is true then the tranquilizer of choice would be clonidine,
and in certain cases where cortical action needs to be stimulated in the service of
enhanced repression, ritalin might be added. Thus, lower level pain would be
diminished while the cortical forces inducing repression would be enhanced.
In Primal lingo, clonidine is a first-line blocker and ritalin a third-line enhancer.
Both aid repression. Some new research indicates that when given together the dose
needs to be reduced of each.

Deprivation of need in rats, such as malnutrition in prenatal fetus results in
increased concentration of NA in the brain at birth. The system, in short, is
activated when there is deprivation of need, as, I submit, in the case of constant
lack of parental love. This lack remains as an imprint putting the system on
constant alert for a danger that is long past but ever present in the brain.
Clonidine given to these mothers during the malnutrution period prevented the excess
secretion of NA and the symptoms ordinarily associated with malnutrition. Anxiety as
a result of imprinted fear can be attenuated with clonidine which suppresses the
terror output of the LC. Clonidine, apparently, has important presynaptic action
and inhibits the transmission of terror from the LC. It inhibits he NA transmission
at the synapse. In brief, the terror cannot escape from its lower level structures,
cannot insert itself into conscious awareness to make us overtly anxious. The human
system is exquisite in its logic. There is damage and it "grows" cells to handle it.
When the cellular reaction is too great and threatens the organism there is a
mechanism for further shut down. When that mechanism fails there are chemicals that
aid in holding down pain so that the imprinted memory of trauma no longer feeds
into the body producing heart palpitations and high blood pressure; nor does it
insinuate itself into the cortex to produce a racing mind resulting in an inability
to concentrate or sleep.

In short, there are back up systems to handle overload. We need to have an overview
of this elegant system and not hurry to tamper with it. I have used the term
"dialectic". Before we evoke a "higher intelligence" to describe the miracle of human
development we should consider how the body and brain develop in response to outside
stimuli. It constructs itself, so to speak out of the warp and woof of daily experience.
Alpha receptor proliferation is but one example of this process. I have begun clinical
trials with the clonidine patch. Results are very preliminary but the thrust of what
I am seeing is that patients sleep better and sounder, there is much less of a racing
mind (remember, that I believe that racing mind is pushed by first-line imprints), they
are not feeling overwhelmed by the least new element in their lives (particularly
when this resonates with first-line traumas that together produce the feeling of being
overwhelmed), there is "space" in the brain to allow new input, to think and reflect
and to solve problems without a whole lot of extraneous input. They claim they don't
have to deal with pain every minute of the day. Before they say that it took so much
energy to read a paragraph because they had to read it three times before it would
sink in (characteristic of the ADD syndrome). They feel more readily on the feeling
level without contamination of first-line input, and they resolve feelings during a
session without feeling rotten afterwards (due to dredging up of first-line associated
pain). Feelings are shorter and cleaner. It may well be that clonidine is used up as
patients feel deeply. That we do not know as yet. What I do know is that this drug
holds promise for those not in therapy, as well, who suffer from first-line symptoms,
anxiety, distractability, racing mind, depression, ADD, and insomnia; and we shall
soon be doing double blind studies to see what it does for depression, as well. The
hypothesis is that easing the level of repression should ease the level of depression
because what depression seems to be is the subjective sense of an enormous effort to
damp down early pain.

ON THE IMPORTANCE OF FIRST LINE PAIN

Most mock (untrained) Primal therapists are afraid of dealing with first-line Pain,
mostly because they don't know how; many say that it is disintegrating and dangerous,
and in their hands this is true. However, it is not a mystery at the International
Primal Center.

First-line Pain is from the early stages of life, birth and for some time thereafter,
and we know how powerful such life-and-death experiences can be; the valence of
first-line Pain is usually greater than any other event in life, and it lays the
foundation of the personality. To avoid it is to negate the benefits of Primal Therapy;
we may get relief from a whole host of symptoms from feeling 2nd line feelings, but we
get resolution of these symptoms from first-line feelings.

Babies do feel! In fact, they feel more than any adult because their gates and
defenses are not yet developed. We have learned that whatever the fetus does to
get born becomes the prototypic reaction to later events, as detailed in Art's books,
Imprints (T.Y. Crowell, 1986) and The New Primal Scream (Dearborn Press, 1991). In a
normal birth, the fetus may struggle and succeed, leading to a "physiology of optimism"
and a positive outlook on life.
When things go wrong there is usually some degree of oxygen lack, or anoxia; the neonate
may be forced to curtail its struggle because of this life-threatening anoxia, and this
reaction is then associated with survival, creating a life-long pattern of giving up and
despair. Later mishandling of the baby such as spanking to start breathing and
separation from the mother in a nursery typically compounds the birth trauma.

These traumatized infants first experience on this planet is that of pain, terror,
despair; not conceptualized, of course, but imprinted as a sensation(s) in their
bodies. Later, when their life experiences resonate with this near-death experience,
they will find names such as loneliness and hopelessness to describe the horrible
sensations they went through. So how can we ignore this stage of their lives in
therapy? How can we be satisfied with a therapy that does not reach the "Primal
roots" of the Pain?

Fortunately, not everybody has a bad birth. However, many babies do suffer massive
Pain at this stage of their lives. What we find fascinating is how the core of the
personality is woven around these experiences from when the baby is utterly
defenseless, helpless and in need of literally everything. The lack of warmth,
touch, reassurance, tenderness and the other aspects of essential care lay the
foundation for future mistrust, fear and despair. It is essential to address this,
the foundation of neurosis, when it is present, for if it is not felt it stops other
Pains from being felt. It is quite clear when we witness first-line Pain on the rise:
there are mid-line symptoms (breathing disturbances, anxiety, colitis) and an
unmistakable Primal language: "I'm not getting anywhere!," "There's no air in here,"
"I feel empty inside." If it is not addressed, the patient experiences confusion and
therapy slows down. This is when patients get "stuck" in therapy -- and in their lives.
They will "go nowhere" because they are not being helped to address the next Pain in
sequence; their therapy is being sidetracked. In such a case, the first-line Pain
will block access to other levels of Pain and the patient will feel hopelessness
in the present because he or she is not feeling the hopelessness in the past.

The evidence of this is seen clearly when the first-line is addressed: the moment
the first-line sensations are felt for what they are (without tears, with no words,
just profoundly uncomfortable sensations), then the tears flow again and the other
levels of Pain can be felt. If this is not done, then the patient cannot feel the
other levels. We see this frequently in patients coming to us from mock (untrained)
Primal therapists who do not address first-line Pain. In the worst cases, they
abreact: the energy of the Pain has to go somewhere if it cannot go to consciousness
for connection, reaction and resolution, so it is discharged in sterile, useless
mis-connected frenzy. The relief felt after abreaction is that of exhaustion, not
connection; and with each abreaction, the groove is worn deeper, creating a problem
increasingly difficult to resolve. The patient can actually de-compensate into
psychosis if the early trauma is great enough. In fact, that is just what psychosis
is; an overload of first-line Pain symbolized in the present, preventing the subject
from perceiving reality. Psychotic ideation seems so "far out" because it is
conceptualized sensation from the distant past: "They are all against me!" Thus,
dealing -- or not dealing -- with first-line Pain can be very dangerous. It is so
powerful that one must be trained to know exactly what to do. Maybe for those
therapists who don't know, it is better not to tackle it; but then they should not
call their therapy Primal Therapy, because it is not. This is dishonest and harmful.

What is worse than the lack of knowledge about first-line Pain is the negation of
it to fit one's ignorance. Addressing first-line is delicate but is the only way
the patient can get better in many cases. At the International Primal Center, we
constantly research the effects of first-line Pain and train our therapists in its
treatment. Our results -- especially the depth of resolution from feeling it --
testify to the essential importance of addressing the first line.

[Xul]

>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>
>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>Organization: The B:.B:.
>
>
> -=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-
>
> The Horrible Truth!
>
> -=oOo=-
>
> (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda

By whom??

> contacted and interpreted by
> Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat

Otay.

> published by
> Leading Edge International Research Group
> and
> presented by
> Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.

What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???

> On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
> In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
> (Gregorian)

Who is this Lord exactly?

>
> - Sagitarius in Libra -
> [or reasonably close thereof]
>
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>as related by Alex Collier.
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>

Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up a
story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to prove th
at there is a Tooth Fairy?

<snapped>

[thi...@anytime.net]

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:56:53 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>>
>>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>>Organization: The B:.B:.
>>
>>
>> -=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-
>>
>> The Horrible Truth!
>>
>> -=oOo=-
>>
>> (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda
>
>

>By whom??

>
>
>> contacted and interpreted by
>> Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat
>

>Otay.

>
>> published by
>> Leading Edge International Research Group
>> and
>> presented by
>> Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
>

>What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???
>

>> On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
>> In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
>> (Gregorian)
>

>Who is this Lord exactly?
>
>>

>> - Sagitarius in Libra -
>> [or reasonably close thereof]
>>
>>
>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>>permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
>>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>>this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
>>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>>as related by Alex Collier.
>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>
>

>Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up a
>story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to prove th
>at there is a Tooth Fairy?

well what if you didn't make up the story but told it as it happened
to you would you have to prove it?
>
><snapped>
>
>
>

[Xul]

That's very interesting.

However, it's still an unproven theory and I don't see how people can base
all kinds of stories on things like this. It does not prove that aliens from
Orion have all sorts of twisted plans for us, etc. What it says is that a
spaceship crashed, the beings had no way of contacting others of their
species, and they were killed.

[Xul]

Ok, just to be nice. I know of ten web sites on the internet which deals
with UFOs and aliens, and they are published by a member of the FBI.

Also, there are not only flying saucers (if any, I've never seen one
personally). There are also small black balls flying around, which are just
a few feet in diameter. I saw two of them at night, and my father saw one in
the day time.

bear wrote in message <370CC871...@tampabay.rr.com>...

Xul wrote:

David wrote in message <370C31D3...@cape.com>...

>Will you people get off the craper before its to late for us all,
and
>start doing some down to earth investigations.
>My God you have people being tampered with in their homes and all
you
>can come up with is some bullshit about spacemen from Orion.
>This shit has got to stop!!!! Stop making a mockery of this
phenomenon
>and start getting some facts!!! And the closest source for those
facts
>is history and your respected governments. You can do all the UFO
>chasing and eyeballing you want, and you can metaphysically contact
any
>sort of demon that wants to play tricks on you, (Including some
>government agency's) but until you go back to basics and start
sorting
>through the material and comparing time lines you really are
wasting
>time. And I am afraid that time is what we all do not have at this
stage
>of the game!!!!!
>
>Dave F

Heh. I have some facts,

Facts? Facts? Did you say facts? Bring 'em on, please! bear

[Xul]

thi...@anytime.net wrote in message
<370cf28a....@kctera.ispnews.com>...

>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:56:53 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>

>>>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>>>
>>>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>>>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>>>Organization: The B:.B:.
>>>
>>>
>>> -=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-
>>>
>>> The Horrible Truth!
>>>
>>> -=oOo=-
>>>
>>> (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda
>>
>>

>>By whom??

>>
>>
>>> contacted and interpreted by
>>> Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat
>>

>>Otay.

>>
>>> published by
>>> Leading Edge International Research Group
>>> and
>>> presented by
>>> Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
>>

>>What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???
>>

>>> On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
>>> In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
>>> (Gregorian)
>>

>>Who is this Lord exactly?
>>
>>>

>>> - Sagitarius in Libra -
>>> [or reasonably close thereof]
>>>
>>>
>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>>>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>>>permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
>>>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>>>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>>>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>>>this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
>>>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>>>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>>>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>>>as related by Alex Collier.
>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>
>>

>>Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up a
>>story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to prove
th
>>at there is a Tooth Fairy?
>well what if you didn't make up the story but told it as it happened
>to you would you have to prove it?

Saying that aliens from Orion are creating alternate timelines cannot happen
to me. How can Nasa sending liquid plutonium so that the Pleiadeans can't
land on Earth happen to me?

And, yes, if I wanted something to be accepted as scientific proof, then I
would have to prove it. I would also have to prove to myself that I'm not
going insane, by getting myself checked out. I would also get a blood test
to see if anything was introduced into my system which could cause
hallucinations.

[Xul]

Sorry Bear, didn't mean to shatter your hopes.

 

bear wrote in message <370CF3B5...@tampabay.rr.com>...

 

Xul wrote:

>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>
>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>Organization: The B:.B:.
>
>
>             -=:::[ T I M E  .:.  W A R S ]:::=-
>
>                     The Horrible Truth!
>
>                           -=oOo=-
>
>              (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda

By whom??

>                 contacted and interpreted by
>               Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat

Otay.

>                         published by
>           Leading Edge International Research Group
>                             and
>                         presented by
>                Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.

What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???

>    On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December

>               In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
>                         (Gregorian)

Who is this Lord exactly?

>

>                   - Sagitarius in Libra -
>                [or reasonably close thereof]
>
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Time wars.  For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>permeate both cyberspace and literature.  Certainly the structure
>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>this technology or ability.  Other than the material indicated
>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>as related by Alex Collier.
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>

Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up a

story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to prove th
at there is a Tooth Fairy?

You mean there isn't? Man, ya' can't trust anybody.           bear

 

<snapped>

[thi...@anytime.net]

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:13:25 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>thi...@anytime.net wrote in message
><370cf28a....@kctera.ispnews.com>...
>>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:56:53 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>

>>>>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>>>>
>>>>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>>>>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>>>>Organization: The B:.B:.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-
>>>>
>>>> The Horrible Truth!
>>>>
>>>> -=oOo=-
>>>>
>>>> (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda
>>>
>>>

>>>By whom??

>>>
>>>
>>>> contacted and interpreted by
>>>> Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat
>>>

>>>Otay.

>>>
>>>> published by
>>>> Leading Edge International Research Group
>>>> and
>>>> presented by
>>>> Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
>>>

>>>What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???
>>>

>>>> On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
>>>> In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
>>>> (Gregorian)
>>>

>>>Who is this Lord exactly?
>>>
>>>>

>>>> - Sagitarius in Libra -
>>>> [or reasonably close thereof]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>>>>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>>>>permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
>>>>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>>>>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>>>>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>>>>this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
>>>>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>>>>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>>>>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>>>>as related by Alex Collier.
>>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up a
>>>story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to prove
>th
>>>at there is a Tooth Fairy?

>>well what if you didn't make up the story but told it as it happened
>>to you would you have to prove it?
>
>
>Saying that aliens from Orion are creating alternate timelines cannot happen
>to me. How can Nasa sending liquid plutonium so that the Pleiadeans can't
>land on Earth happen to me?
>
>And, yes, if I wanted something to be accepted as scientific proof, then I
>would have to prove it. I would also have to prove to myself that I'm not
>going insane, by getting myself checked out. I would also get a blood test
>to see if anything was introduced into my system which could cause
>hallucinations.
>

so your ego says "i want everybody to believe me".
and if the tooth fairy visits everybody else then is it true?
and in your insanity you would rationaly go and find out your insane?
i don't know about you but if the tooth fairy pissed me off i would
slap it and go back to sleep.

[Xul]

thi...@anytime.net wrote in message
<370d00cd....@kctera.ispnews.com>...

>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:13:25 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>thi...@anytime.net wrote in message
>><370cf28a....@kctera.ispnews.com>...
>>>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:56:53 -0400, "Xul" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>>>>>From the Ancient-Mystickal-Maji-Cull BLUE FILES:
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: ::: Time Wars -- The Horrible Truth! :::
>>>>>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:00:30 GMT
>>>>>Organization: The B:.B:.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -=:::[ T I M E .:. W A R S ]:::=-
>>>>>
>>>>> The Horrible Truth!
>>>>>
>>>>> -=oOo=-
>>>>>
>>>>> (c) 1997 by Zenetae from Andromeda
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>By whom??

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> contacted and interpreted by
>>>>> Alex Collier, Andromedan Diplomat
>>>>

>>>>Otay.

>>>>
>>>>> published by
>>>>> Leading Edge International Research Group
>>>>> and
>>>>> presented by
>>>>> Rhd. Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
>>>>

>>>>What or who is a Blue Resonant Human with a Ph.D.???
>>>>

>>>>> On this, the Twenty-Second Day of the Month of December
>>>>> In the Year of Our Lord, 1997 e.v.
>>>>> (Gregorian)
>>>>

>>>>Who is this Lord exactly?
>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> - Sagitarius in Libra -
>>>>> [or reasonably close thereof]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>Time wars. For many, the very idea on its face smacks of fantasy
>>>>>and science fiction, yet various discussions about the subject
>>>>>permeate both cyberspace and literature. Certainly the structure
>>>>>of time, space, technology and reality are all mutable, and the
>>>>>evidence appears to indicate that these things have indeed been
>>>>>going on, and that several factions have had ongoing access to
>>>>>this technology or ability. Other than the material indicated
>>>>>above and the discussions involving Montauk and the Philadelphia
>>>>>experiment, the other main paradigm discussing these issues on
>>>>>an ongoing basis is the paradigm of the Zenetae from Andromeda
>>>>>as related by Alex Collier.
>>>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>Ok, again here we have theories based on....(??). Question: If I made up
a
>>>>story involving the Tooth Fairy, would I not, first of all, have to
prove
>>th
>>>>at there is a Tooth Fairy?
>>>well what if you didn't make up the story but told it as it happened
>>>to you would you have to prove it?
>>
>>
>>Saying that aliens from Orion are creating alternate timelines cannot
happen
>>to me. How can Nasa sending liquid plutonium so that the Pleiadeans can't
>>land on Earth happen to me?
>>
>>And, yes, if I wanted something to be accepted as scientific proof, then I
>>would have to prove it. I would also have to prove to myself that I'm not
>>going insane, by getting myself checked out. I would also get a blood test
>>to see if anything was introduced into my system which could cause
>>hallucinations.
>>
>
>so your ego says "i want everybody to believe me".
>and if the tooth fairy visits everybody else then is it true?
>and in your insanity you would rationaly go and find out your insane?
>i don't know about you but if the tooth fairy pissed me off i would
>slap it and go back to sleep.

Uhhh, what are you talking about??

[Xul]

Of course they can, they're there for the public, they're on a public
server, owned by a private company. This person rents them as virtual
servers and throws all this UFO nonsense on it. Of course, I'm assuming that
it's nonsense, unless he is really leaking true information, but I really
doubt that, he would be caught in a second.

bear wrote in message <370D0E3A...@tampabay.rr.com>...

Xul wrote:

Ok, just to be nice. I know of ten web sites on the internet which
deals
with UFOs and aliens, and they are published by a member of the FBI.

Can anybody access these sites? bear

[Xul]

I know what you were saying, but that's all I can say, for obvious reasons. This is a public newsgroup, and I don't know you along with everybody who reads this (no offense intended).

 

bear wrote in message <370D11D2...@tampabay.rr.com>...

I guess the subtle message I was trying to convey was, can you post the pathway to these portals of information?    bear

[Amorphous Gyroscopes]

ZOOL spake thus:

> Uhhh, what are you talking about??

Theoretical Basics of Experimental Phenomena.
Copyright©1998-99 Yu.V.Nachalov

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/tors3.html

Over the course of latter decades, tens of unexplainable
microscopic and macroscopic effects in natural sciences and
especially in physics and biology have been revealed and
investigated. It should be emphasized that a large part of
these phenomena were demonstrated by objects having spin or
angular momentum.

Probably the first researcher who experimentally detected
the unusual effects associated with torsion was a professor
of the Russian physical-chemical society, N.P.Myshkin, who
at the end of the nineteenth century conducted a series of
experiments using scales [1]. These experiments were
successfully repeated in the 1960s by professor N.A.Kozyrev
and V.V.Nasonov and later by V.S.Belyaev, S.P.Mikhailov,
A.G. Parkhomov and others.

[ ))}--- sizable snippage---{(( ]

In other series of experiments conducted in the Institute
of Material Research, the influence of the torsion radiation
on various photographs was investigated. It was established
that by the use of this method it is possible to transmit
information from one point of space to another [20]. (Probably
the first researchers to apply this method were Albert Abrams,
Curtis Upton, William Knuth, and George De La Warr.) The
experimental research conducted in the Institute of Material
research and at other scientific organizations was managed by
the Center of non-conventional technologies under the USSR
Science and Technics State Committee. These investigations were
based on the so called "Theory of physical vacuum" developed by
russian physicist G.I.Shipov.

G.I.Shipov used a geometry of absolute parallelism (A 4 ) with
an additional 6 rotational coordinates, and on the strict level
it showed that the movement of any object should be described
by 10 movement equations but not by 4 equations as it is in
Einstein's GR. From Shipov's vacuum equations, every known
fundumental physical equation (Einstein's, Young-Mills',
Heisenberg's, etc.) can be deduced in completely geometrised
form. G.I.Shipov showed that besides the two known long-range
physical fields - electromagnetic and gravitational - there
exists third long-range field possessing significantly richer
properties: the torsion field. The torsion field is an extremely
unusual entity. First of all, the upper limit for the speed of
torsion waves is estimated to be not less than 109 c, where c is
the speed of light. Secondly, torsion fields are able to propagate
in a region of space which is not limited by the light cone.
That means that torsion fields are able to propagate not only in
the future but in the past as well. Thirdly, torsion fields
transmit information without transmitting energy.
Fourth - torsion fields are not required to follow the
superposition principle [21].

Torsion fields are generated by spin (considering classical spin
[22,23]) or by angular momentum. There exist both right and left
torsion fields (depending on the spin orientation). Since all
substances (except amorphous materials) have their own
stereochemistry which determines not only the location of atoms
in molecules but also determines their mutual spin orientation,
then the superposition of torsion fields generated by the atomic
and nuclear spins of each molecule determines the intensity of
torsion field in the space surrounding each molecule. The
superposition of all these torsion fields determines the intensity
and spatial configuration of the characterist torsion field of
that substance. Thus each substance possess its own characteristic
torsion field.

The property which is open to influence by torsion fields is spin.
(We should note that the spin-torsion interaction constant is equal
to 10 -5 - 10 -6. This constant is less than the constant of
electromagnetic interactions, yet much greater than the constant of
gravitational interactions.) Thus the structure of the torsion field
of every object can be changed by the influence of an external
torsion field. As a result of such an influence, the new
configuration of the torsion field will be fixed as a metastable
state (as a polarized state) and will remain intact even after the
source of the external torsion field is moved to another area of
space. Thus torsion fields of certain spatial configuration can be
"recorded" on any physical or biological object.

Since every permanent magnet possess not only oriented magnetic
moments but also classical spins orientation as well, then every
permanent magnet possess it's own torsion field. (This fact was
first experimentally discovered by A.I.Veinik.) Understanding this
important property of magnetic fields allows us to understand a
variety of phenomena, for instance the phenomenon known as
"magnetization of water".

The following fundamentally important fact should be emphasized.
In the framework of the theory of electro-torsion interactions, it
is shown that if electrostatic or electromagnetic fields exist in
some region of space, then there always exists torsion fields in
that region of space. Electrostatic or electromagnetic fields
without a torsion component do not exist. On the strict level this
is shown by G.I.Shipov [24]. Strong torsion fields are generated by
high electrical potentials and by devices with organized circular or
spiral electromagnetic processes. (Probably the first researcher to
investigate torsion fields by this type of generators was Nikola
Tesla. In Russia, similar results were obtained by S.V.Avramenko and
others.)

Torsion fields can be generated as the result of the distortion of
geometry of the physical vacuum. Every object with a certain surface
geometry will simultaneously generate left and right torsion fields
of a certain configuration depending on the geometry of the object.
This fact can be detected by various types of physical, chemical and
biological indicators. This type of manifestation of the torsion field
was repeatedly observed by numerous researchers: A.I.Veinik, Yu.V.Tszyan
Kanchzhen, A.A.Beridze-Stakhovsky, V.S.Grebennikov, I.M.Shakhparonov and
many others in Russia and various researchers in other countries [25-31].
Later an experimental investigation of the torsion fields generated by
objects with different geometry of surface was conducted by the group of
A.E. Akimov at the Physics Institute of the Ukraine Academy of Sciences
and at Chernovitsky University [32].

Another kind of torsion generator employs a combination of the above
described principles. For instance, the combination of high-frequency
electromagnetic oscillations and topological effect ("form effect") is
used in the generators developed by Yu.V.Tszyan Kanchzhen. The combination
of high electric potential and topological effect is used in the device
made by A.I.Veinik and in the device described in the patent [27]. The
combination of magnetic fields and high-frequency electromagnetic
oscillations is used in W.Kroppa's patented generators. Rotating
magnetic fields are used in V.M.Yurovitsky's patented generators.

The extremely unusual properties and possibilities demonstrated by torsion
field generators allowed the development of new approaches to the
interpretation of various phenomena, including ESP and PK. From the late
80s till the late 90s, major experimental investigations were conducted
that confirmed the theoretical predictions. It was established that
torsion generators allow us not only to replicate all "phenomena"
demonstrated by so called "psychics," but they also are able to
demonstrate effects that were never demonstrated by any "psychic".

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10.Lavrentiev M.M., Gusev V.A., Yegonova I.A., Lutset M.K., Fominykh S.F. "O
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("Preliminary results of astronomical observations using N.A.Kozyrev's method.")

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astronomicheskimi metodami.", Moscow, 1992, CISE VENT ("MNTTs VENT" in
russian), preprint # 25. (russian) (To the question about the possibility of
detecting torsion waves by astronomical methods.")

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eksperimentalnoi i teoreticheskoi fiziki, 1964, v.47, p.1050. (russian) ("Nuclei
precession of neutrons.")

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1983, v.44, # 1, p.1.

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beams in an atomic vapor." //Phys.rev.lett., 1977, v.38, # 6, p.278-282.

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tseley svyazi.", Otchyot po NIR, Moscow, 1966, 17 p. (russian) ("The estimation
of the possibility to use gravitational waves for communication purposes.")

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torsionnyh polei na rasplav olova.", Moscow, 1994, CISE VENT, preprint # 49.
(russian) ("The influence of torsion fields on a tin melt.")

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polya. Fizicheskie modeli.", Kiev, 1989, Institut problem materialovedeniya,
preprint # 4. (russian) ("Long-range spinor fields. Physical models.")

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(russian) ("Theory of physical vacuum.")

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ser.Fizika, 1980, # 2. (russian) ("The classical theory of spin.")

23.Ternov I.M., Bordovitsyn V.A. "O sovremennoi interpretatsii klassicheskoi teorii
spina Ya.I.Frenkelya." //Uspekhi fizicheskih nauk, 1980, v.132, # 2. (russian)
("On the modern interpretation of the classical theory of spin by Ya.I.Frenkel'.")

24.Shipov G.I. "Teoriya electrotorsionnyh vzaimodeistvii.", Moscow, 1996, MITPF,
preprint # 1. (russian) ("Theory of electro-torsion interactions.")

25.Grebennikov V.S. "O fiziko-biologicheskih svoistvah gnezdovii pchyol-opylityeley."
//Sibirsky vestnik selskokhozyaistvennoy nauki, 1984, # 3. (russian) ("On the
physical-biological properties of the bee's nests.")

26.Pagot J. "Radiesthesie et emission de forme.", Paris, 1978, 277 p.

27."Appareillage d'amplification on des emission des aux formes." Patent
Republique Francaise # 2421531, 30 nov. 1979.

28."Dispositit d'application des emission denx aux formes a la matiere an
mouvement." Patent Republique Francaise # 2488096, 5 fev. 1982.

29.Schweitzer P. Patentamt # P3320518.3, 13.12.84, Bundesrepublic Deuschland.

30.Fantuzzi G. Patentamt # 250943.9, 18.09.75, Bundesrepublic Deuschland.

31.Fantuzzi G. USSR patent # 688107, 25.09.79.

32.Akimov A.E., Kurik M.V., Tarasenko V.Ya. "Vliyaniye spinornogo (torsionnogo)
polya na protsess kristallizatsii mitsellyarnyh struktur." //Biotekhnologiya,
1991, # 3. (russian) ("The influence of the spinor (torsion) field on the
process of crystallization of micellar structures.")

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/tors3.html
Copyright©1998-99 Yu.V.Nachalov mailto:new_...@usa.net

[Xul]

That's interesting, but it proves the existance of aliens how exactly?

You guys will have to make some sense here. I'm getting lost.

Amorphous Gyroscopes wrote in message <370D3D...@amorphous.spin.edu>...

[PTAAAHHH]

Xul wrote:
>
> That's interesting, but it proves the existance of aliens how exactly?
>
> You guys will have to make some sense here. I'm getting lost.
>

You need to get off this hang-up that everyone posting unusual data, per
your cognition, is attempting to prove the existence of aliens. Let the
aliens prove their own damn existence. Can you prove your existence?!!

[Xul]

PTAAAHHH wrote in message <370D47...@hahaha.hah>...

>Xul wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, but it proves the existance of aliens how exactly?
>>
>> You guys will have to make some sense here. I'm getting lost.
>>
>You need to get off this hang-up that everyone posting unusual data, per
>your cognition, is attempting to prove the existence of aliens. Let the
>aliens prove their own damn existence. Can you prove your existence?!!

Oh I see! This happens to me often. For example, just the other day I went
to the supermarket and I asked a person working there how much the 10 pound
bag of potatoes were, because the price wasn't on them. He said in reply to
my question: "Your car looks very shiny." This must be the same case here.
Forgive me, I get confused easily when this happens. It's just my illogical
mind, don't mind it a bit.

[Boopa]

Xul wrote:
>
> PTAAAHHH wrote in message <370D47...@hahaha.hah>...

> >Xul wrote:
> >>
> >> That's interesting, but it proves the existance of aliens how exactly?
> >>
> >> You guys will have to make some sense here. I'm getting lost.
> >>
> >You need to get off this hang-up that everyone posting unusual data, per
> >your cognition, is attempting to prove the existence of aliens. Let the
> >aliens prove their own damn existence. Can you prove your existence?!!
>

> Oh I see! This happens to me often. For example, just the other day I went
> to the supermarket and I asked a person working there how much the 10 pound
> bag of potatoes were, because the price wasn't on them. He said in reply to
> my question: "Your car looks very shiny." This must be the same case here.
> Forgive me, I get confused easily when this happens. It's just my illogical
> mind, don't mind it a bit.

ZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!
You are wrong! It is next Tuesday at Lunch!

-- Hope that helps

[Xul]

Boopa wrote in message <370D55...@ns.ganseki.or.jp>...

>Xul wrote:
>>
>> PTAAAHHH wrote in message <370D47...@hahaha.hah>...

>> >Xul wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's interesting, but it proves the existance of aliens how exactly?
>> >>
>> >> You guys will have to make some sense here. I'm getting lost.
>> >>
>> >You need to get off this hang-up that everyone posting unusual data, per
>> >your cognition, is attempting to prove the existence of aliens. Let the
>> >aliens prove their own damn existence. Can you prove your existence?!!
>>

>> Oh I see! This happens to me often. For example, just the other day I
went
>> to the supermarket and I asked a person working there how much the 10
pound
>> bag of potatoes were, because the price wasn't on them. He said in reply
to
>> my question: "Your car looks very shiny." This must be the same case
here.
>> Forgive me, I get confused easily when this happens. It's just my
illogical
>> mind, don't mind it a bit.
>
> ZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!
>You are wrong! It is next Tuesday at Lunch!
>
> -- Hope that helps

Darn, and I thought it was made of green cheese. Imagine my embarrassment.
Thank you for that enlightment.

[David]

Look I am sorry for going off like that. But this whole thing is so full
of all different view points that it has become a monster that just
keeps on growing.
Fact - There was alien visitation to this planet thousands of years ago,
and in some form the visitations may be still going on!
Fact- Those who created us had a war that wrecked this planet and
several others,and that war still may be going on at this time.
Fact- Through our own great war known as World War II there have been
several scientific advances that have been held from the public.
Fact- After World War II the United States secret service at the time
smuggled known Nazi war criminals and scientists into the United States
and other country's without the knowledge of Congress.
Fact- The germans had a saucer shaped machine
Fact- The germans did experiments in cloning
Fact- The germans had expeditions during the war for the sole purpose of
finding any trace of their ancestry.
Fact- Most of the Nazi SS are in positions within certain agencys within
the United States Government.
Fact - Government agencys have invested large amounts of money into Mind
Control experiments funding is hidden in the Dept. of Comers and then
distributed to Agencys involved.
FACT - ALL THIS POINTS TO A MORE EARTH BOUND EXPLANATION FOR THE UFO
PHENOMENON

Dave F

[Mujahedin]

Xul wrote:
> Boopa wrote:
> >Xul wrote:
> >> PTAAAHHH wrote:
> >> >Xul wrote:
> >> >>...
> >> >.... Can you prove your existence?!!
> >> ... I asked... how much the 10 pound bag of potatoes were...

> >> He said in reply to my question: "Your car looks very shiny."

> >You are wrong! It is next Tuesday at Lunch!

> Darn, and I thought it was made of green cheese. Imagine my embarrassment.
> Thank you for that enlightment.

=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=

Whitley Strieber - Mind Control Victim
http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm

I hate to tell you that I told you so, but, "I told you so."
The following article is from UFO Conspiracies & Cover-Ups;
Special Issue, No. 1, 1998 Edited by Timothy Beckley.

- William Cooper

"The Secret Government"

or

"The perplexing puzzle of Whitley Streiber's Secret School"

by John Chambers

Mr. Chambers interviewed Whitley Streiber in March of 1996 at the
Gulf Breeze UFO Conference at the Clarion Resort Hotel in Pensacola,
Florida.

"The goal of this telepathic rape by disinformation, according to many
in the UFO community, is to draw public attention away from what is
really taking place: The unbridled use of vastly superior, other-worldly
power by a group that has steadily become answerable to no one."

(Quoting Chambers from his article.)

"Ironically, while Strieber himself did not seem to be suggesting - or
even thinking, at least consciously - that his own writings could be
understood in terms of this conspiracy, his speculations made some who
found his latest revelations in 'The Secret School' too extraordinary
to be believed, wonder whether the Secret School was really a set of
memories implanted by the Secret Government."

". . . . learning to live outside time . . . I'm hoping the Secret School
will be a mnemonic device and enable a lot of people to remember their own
childhood experiences. I think every encounter starts in the Secret School",
stated Streiber.

Quoting Chambers: (referring to his travel back to lost civilizations)
Strieber seemed from time to time to back away from a literal interpretation
of these experiences.

Again, from Chambers: Later in the conference was when the astute researcher
hinted at this 'other meaning to this reality altogether' in statements the
implications of which he did not seem to be fully aware of himself. At this
session, Strieber spoke extensively of the Secret Government within our
government. He began by chronicling his personal experience of the CIA.
It was an organization that he hated.

"I know a lot about the CIA," he declared. I know a lot of people in the
CIA and I've been very close to the CIA at certain times in my life." But,
he went on, "I don't like the CIA. I think it's a disaster, a national
catastrophe of the first order, a satanic monstrosity."

(KK's comments: I guess Whit is not ready to reveal his knowledge of
satanic activities within the CIA.)

Continuing:

Then Strieber made the startling statement that, for some at the conference,
seemed to undermine the authenticity of the 'Secret School' and open the
discussion out to very different vistas.

"In my childhood," he said quietly, " I was tested at a university in
San Antonio, in about 1954-55, for a long time, with a lot of tests - this
was the same time I was having my encounters as a child. Intelligence tests,
I guess they were; I don't remember them very clearly. My brother was
subjected when he was the same age to the same tests at the same place by the
same doctor. We were never told what these tests were about. We were never
told by our parents why it was done."

"One of the things that I have been quietly researching over the past few
years is CIA mind control activities that took place back in the 50s, using
drugs, hypnosis, and involving children - especially bright kids. Because I
fear that I may have been part of that. I may have been simply passed over;
I hope I was. But I want to find out all about it. I want to understand it
more."

(KK's comments: Come on, Whit. We will understand the abuse that happened
to you. You know, the events you talked about; the cruel stupid things that
were done to you.)

Quoting from Chambers:

"he even-almost compulsively-returned once more to the subject of implants,
alien or otherwise, and spoke of their capability to interact with the brain
and to cause hallucinations. He had recently had a particularly powerful
experience with the visitors, he said-and, just before that experience, he
had smelled a strong, tangy odor that frequently introduced his encounters.
'They've started waking me up with smells,' he explained, 訴n order to make
this harder for me. In any case, there is a particular odor that's sort of
a combination of cigarette smoke and burning cardboard, I would say.
It wakes me up."

"And," he concluded-and to what extent was he aware of what he was implying-,
"And, I know that temporal lobe epilepsy is associated with odors."

But nothing he would say now will be as inherently mind blowing as what
he had-almost unwittingly, it seemed!-already intimated: That his own
Secret School might have been a product of the Secret Government.

Really, all that there was left for him to do now was to rhapsodize about
what all this had done for him, those years of recalling these soul-shaking
events that seemed to have dominated his entire early inner life, and
perhaps, just perhaps-might have been hallucinations so incredibly real
as to seem to be as real as life itself, because they were fashioned out of
a technology that came from a technologically higher life form than our own.

(KK's comments: or a very low form of human who is very willing to utilized
their fellow humans in any way shape or form for the "fatherland.")

(John Chambers has an M.A. in English from the University of Toronto; was
full-time instructor in English at Dawson College, Montreal, Quebec, and
a senior editor at McGraw-Hill; publishing & managing editor with
International Thomson Transport Press, both in New York; now an adjunct
professor at Florida Atlantic University - KK: is this a viable,
accredited academic institution?) -- End --
http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm
Whitley Strieber - Mind Control Victim
http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm

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http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm
Implants! Don't leave home without them!

[PTAAAHHH]

> Implants! Don't leave home without them!

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[Xul]

Mujahedin wrote in message <370DA6...@hahaha.hah.gov>...

>Xul wrote:
>> Boopa wrote:
>> >Xul wrote:
>> >> PTAAAHHH wrote:
>> >> >Xul wrote:
>> >> >>...
>> >> >.... Can you prove your existence?!!
>> >> ... I asked... how much the 10 pound bag of potatoes were...
>> >> He said in reply to my question: "Your car looks very shiny."
>> >You are wrong! It is next Tuesday at Lunch!
>> Darn, and I thought it was made of green cheese. Imagine my
embarrassment.
>> Thank you for that enlightment.
>
> =_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=
>
>Whitley Strieber - Mind Control Victim
>http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm
>
>I hate to tell you that I told you so, but, "I told you so."
>The following article is from UFO Conspiracies & Cover-Ups;
>Special Issue, No. 1, 1998 Edited by Timothy Beckley.

No, no, that's not what you told me. You told me that Atlantis was nothing
more than a rubber factory. BTW, who are you again?

> - William Cooper
>
>
>
> "The Secret Government"
>
> or
>
> "The perplexing puzzle of Whitley Streiber's Secret School"
>
> by John Chambers
>
>Mr. Chambers interviewed Whitley Streiber in March of 1996 at the
>Gulf Breeze UFO Conference at the Clarion Resort Hotel in Pensacola,
>Florida.
>
>"The goal of this telepathic rape by disinformation, according to many
>in the UFO community, is to draw public attention away from what is
>really taking place: The unbridled use of vastly superior, other-worldly
>power by a group that has steadily become answerable to no one."
>
>(Quoting Chambers from his article.)
>
>"Ironically, while Strieber himself did not seem to be suggesting - or
>even thinking, at least consciously - that his own writings could be
>understood in terms of this conspiracy, his speculations made some who
>found his latest revelations in 'The Secret School' too extraordinary
>to be believed, wonder whether the Secret School was really a set of
>memories implanted by the Secret Government."

Oh good, and interview. Given the fact that nobody ever lies and mental
disorders are just fiction, this is the whole honest truth.

<frantic snipping of a tale>

Oh darn, and I'm not a US citizen. Well, there goes my hopes and dreams.

[Jason and Medea]

Xul wrote:

> Mujahedin wrote:
> >Xul wrote:
> >> Boopa wrote:
> >> >Xul wrote:
> >> >> PTAAAHHH wrote:
> >> >> >Xul wrote:

> >> >> >>... ZZZZZzzzzzoooooooooLLLLLLL ROTE

> >> >> >.... Can you prove your existence?!!
> >> >> ... I asked... how much the 10 pound bag of potatoes were...
> >> >> He said in reply to my question: "Your car looks very shiny."
> >> >You are wrong! It is next Tuesday at Lunch!
> >> Darn, and I thought it was made of green cheese. Imagine my embarrassment.
> >> Thank you for that enlightment.
> > =_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=_|=
> >Whitley Strieber - Mind Control Victim
> >http://www.harvest-trust.org/whitley.htm

> more than a rubber factory. BTW, who are you again?

> >... wonder whether the Secret School was really a set of

> >memories implanted by the Secret Government."

ZZZZZzzzzzoooooooooLLLLLLL ROTE

> <frantic snipping of a tale>

> >======================================= J O I N !!!!!

> >Ongoing Requirements
> >Secretary

> > CIA Web site at
> >http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciahome.html

> >National Security Agency (NSA).

> >http://www.nsa.gov:8080/programs/employ/
> >NOTE: Employment is for U.S. Citizens ONLY.

> Oh darn, and I'm not a US citizen. Well, there goes my hopes and dreams.

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>WHAT IS THE PROPER AGE TO GET MARRIED? [Asked of children, ages 5 to 10]
>"Eighty-four, because at that age you don't have to work anymore, and
>you can spend all your time loving each other in your bedroom." (Judy,8)
>"Once I'm done with kindergarten, I'm going to find me a wife." (Tom,5)
>WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE?
>"On the first date they just tell each other lies, and that usually gets
>them interested enough to go for a second date." (Mike,10)
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