TNT get rerun rights to BABYLON 5
David Bedno
- NEW YORK (Variety) - Reruns of the syndicated firstrun sci-fi action
-hour ``Babylon 5'' are going to Turner Network TV.
Hmmm...in my mind, this bodes *very well* for the future of B5. I
wonder what kind of reaction Ted Turner would have if he discovered
all of those reruns he contracted to buy aren't going to be made in
the first place, and he's stuck with a continuing story that has
no end.
I think we'll see all 5 seasons now.
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FordaT
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
By John Dempsey
NEW YORK (Variety) - Reruns of the syndicated firstrun sci-fi action
hour ``Babylon 5'' are going to Turner Network TV.
Bill Carroll, VP-director of programming for rep firm Katz TV, says
it's no surprise that Warners is selling the reruns of ``Babylon'' to
cable instead of recycling them to syndication because the series has
performed only moderately well in the Nielsens, averaging a middling 3
rating and 8 share since it began its firstrun life.
``Babylon'' is the second action hour series from Warners to go to a
Turner cable network since the merger between Time Warner and Turner
became news six weeks ago. The other is ``Lois & Clark,'' which TBS agreed
to buy early last month.
Reuters/Variety
Reut08:21 11-08-95
Jason John Seaver
>Subject: TNT get rerun rights to BABYLON 5
>Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
>
>Turner cable network since the merger between Time Warner and Turner
>became news six weeks ago. The other is ``Lois & Clark,'' which TBS agreed
>to buy early last month.
EXCUSE ME? Aren't we missing something here? Brisco County Junior,
perhaps?
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Franklin Hummel
(Ed Dravecky III) writes:
>(For reference, 100 is a perfect score. Mother Theresa is a solid 87,
>JMS is an amazing 86, and "Captain Outrageous" is now at 134. Ted [Turner]
>would have been higher except 1) the Goodwill Games were dull last
>time and 2) he did colorize "Casablanca" (though he later apologized
>for it...and then colorized a whole season of "Gilligan's Island").)
TURNER DID THAT TO "GILLIAN'S ISLAND"?!?!
Has the man NO respect for National Treasures???
Ted Turner should be shot! Or at least, forced to marry Jane Fonda!
-- Frank Hummel [ hum...@netcom.com ]
P.S. I'm in one of those moods.
IJBall
> In article <dsheldonD...@netcom.com> dshe...@netcom.com (Ed
> Dravecky III) writes:
> >(For reference, 100 is a perfect score. Mother Theresa is a solid 87,
> >JMS is an amazing 86, and "Captain Outrageous" is now at 134. Ted
> >[Turner] would have been higher except 1) the Goodwill Games were
> >dull last time and 2) he did colorize "Casablanca" (though he later
> >apologized for it...and then colorized a whole season of "Gilligan's
> >Island").)
>
> TURNER DID THAT TO "GILLIAN'S ISLAND"?!?!
> Has the man NO respect for National Treasures???
Oh yeah, he did. In fact, here in LA KCOP 13 only shows the *colorized*
versions of season #1 of GI! As a result, I won't even watch them.
At least the colorized version of "Casablanca", the best movie ever,
flopped.
> Ted Turner should be shot! Or at least, forced to marry Jane Fonda!
Whatever is done to Ted Turner, it won't be enough! (And the same goes for
Bill Gates, who bought off NBC so they'd do a hit piece on Apple last
night.)
--
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Balance7
season, we will have a chance to see the early episodes. Also, it bodes
well for completion of the 5 year run since there is now more money in the
pot and more on the horizon. Turner may have seen the cult-like following
this show has and recognized that B5, like ST-TOS before, will always have
a core TV audience.
Ed Dravecky III
>
> NEW YORK (Variety) - Reruns of the syndicated firstrun sci-fi
> action hour ``Babylon 5'' are going to Turner Network TV.
Ah, so the network that brings us unedited "Outer Limits" marathons,
really cool sci-fi movies (like "Forbidden Planet"), and all the best
of the junk sci-fi (like Zsa-Zsa Gabor's "Queen of Outer Space") has
acquired the rights to B5?
This means that 1) they'll be seen for generations to come, 2) be
seen by a large and potentially appreciative audience, 3) Ted Turner
moves up an impossible 6 more points on my personal Neat-o-Meter.
(For reference, 100 is a perfect score. Mother Theresa is a solid 87,
JMS is an amazing 86, and "Captain Outrageous" is now at 134. Ted
would have been higher except 1) the Goodwill Games were dull last
time and 2) he did colorize "Casablanca" (though he later apologized
for it...and then colorized a whole season of "Gilligan's Island").)
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Gharlane of Eddore
> (For reference, 100 is a perfect score. Mother Theresa is a solid 87,
> would have been higher except 1) the Goodwill Games were dull last
> time and 2) he did colorize "Casablanca" (though he later apologized
> for it...and then colorized a whole season of "Gilligan's Island").)
>
In <hummelDH...@netcom.com> hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) writes:
>
> TURNER DID THAT TO "GILLIAN'S ISLAND"?!?!
>
> Has the man NO respect for National Treasures???
>
> Ted Turner should be shot! Or at least, forced to marry Jane Fonda!
NOOO! Feel free to castrate him, blind him with red-hot pokers,
or even ruin his credit-card ratings, but *NO* sapient
life form has ever been evil enough to deserve being Fonda'd.
Eeeewwwwwwwww. Even the thought makes me ill.
>
> -- Frank Hummel [ hum...@netcom.com ]
>
> P.S. I'm in one of those moods.
>
In that case, KEEP YOUR DISTANCE, Sweetums.
Thomas Carstensen
drs...@crl.com (David Bedno) writes:
> - NEW YORK (Variety) - Reruns of the syndicated firstrun sci-fi action
> -hour ``Babylon 5'' are going to Turner Network TV.
Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
--
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Dale Brouwer
Ed Dravecky III <dshe...@netcom.com> wrote:
>(For reference, 100 is a perfect score. Mother Theresa is a solid 87,
>JMS is an amazing 86, and "Captain Outrageous" is now at 134. Ted
Now, this is an insult to JMS. JMS, who is a respected writer & television
producer among other things, and Mother Teresa(SP?) who is a religious
fanatic whose under the guise of caring for the sick and poor uses all
the money supposed to help lepers to build new christian missions and tells
the sick the 'God will help them'.
FYI:
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David John Patrick
On 13 Nov 1995, FordaT wrote:
> >Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
> >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
>
> Excuse me?
>
> Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
>
> Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
>
> Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
I really had to laugh at this one. Ford's flame bait is getting very lame.
I think it's sad that the only way he feels he can get attention is to
rabidly attack every aspect of B5.
David Patrick
Papa Funk
<Pine.SOL.3.91.95111...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
If that's an attack... oy vey.
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David John Patrick
On 13 Nov 1995, Papa Funk wrote:
> In article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.95111...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
> David John Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > On 13 Nov 1995, FordaT wrote:
> >
> > > >Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
> > > >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
> > >
> > > Excuse me?
> > >
> > > Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
> > >
> > > Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
> >
> > I really had to laugh at this one. Ford's flame bait is getting very lame.
> > I think it's sad that the only way he feels he can get attention is to
> > rabidly attack every aspect of B5.
>
> There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
> a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
The show is filmed in Letterbox format. Basically making it
future proof, everyone including the European Union is working towards
the next generation of TV sets, which will almost certainly be widescreen
high definition sets.
People want to see the Widescreen B5 in the same way that people
get widescreen films on video. So they can see the whole picture and the
film as was originally intended. I look forward to the day I see B5 in
widescreen, wether on a square set or a widescreen set.
> If that's an attack... oy vey.
I understand your point, normally I'm not like this. However Ford has
made a hobby of meaningless attacks againgst B5 and JMS in particular. I
don't know why he does it. Maybe this is the only way he feels he can
get attention. Ah well.
This is just the latest of Ford's generally abusive attacks on B5.
David Patrick
Yohon Lo
> In article <480hqc$d...@crl8.crl.com>
> drs...@crl.com (David Bedno) writes:
>
> > - NEW YORK (Variety) - Reruns of the syndicated firstrun sci-fi action
> > -hour ``Babylon 5'' are going to Turner Network TV.
>
> Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
> TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
probably, but we have to wait until 1997. can you wait that long?
Yohon Lo/GRA/Dept.Nuclear Engineering/UT-Knxoville
http://cobweb.utcc.utk.edu/~yolo
KROMKAMP ANDY
Papa Funk <to...@eagle.mit.edu> wrote:
>In article
><Pine.SOL.3.91.95111...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
>David John Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> writes:
>
>>
>>
>> On 13 Nov 1995, FordaT wrote:
>>
>> > >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
>> >
>> > Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
>>
>> I really had to laugh at this one. Ford's flame bait is getting very lame.
>> I think it's sad that the only way he feels he can get attention is to
>> rabidly attack every aspect of B5.
>
>There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
>a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
>
>
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JMS has stated a few times that they shoot in Letterbox (or close to) ratios,
in case HDTV catches on (There are probably more tangible reasons as well).
Based on Ford's past juvenile behavior, The Attack was probably based on a
percieved attitude that Ford was saying "How do we REALLY knwo that JMS is
filming on Letterbox. He just could be LYING, just to make is Lemmings even MORE
rabid. Can't you SEE People? YOur being tricked!!! Save yourself!!!!! JMS
is the devil.... He will have your soul for breakfast!!! ". Or something
to that effect.
Andy K.
David P Benjamin
: >Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
: >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
: Excuse me?
: Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
: Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
jms has stated that the show is shot framed for letter-box in preparation
for HDTV. (I don't believe that the cgi is done for HDTV line resolution
though.)
So unless you want to believe that the scene in Parliament of Dreams
(among others) was shot twice, that is good enough.
Besides, France has reportedly requested the full-dimensioned show
for its showing.
--
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M.A. candidate in Political Science/International Relations
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Lars Joreteg
> In article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.95111...@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
> David John Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> writes:
>
> >
> >
> > On 13 Nov 1995, FordaT wrote:
> >
> > > >Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
> > > >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
> > >
> > > Excuse me?
> > >
> > > Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
> > >
> > > Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
> >
> > I really had to laugh at this one. Ford's flame bait is getting very lame.
> > I think it's sad that the only way he feels he can get attention is to
> > rabidly attack every aspect of B5.
Agreed. Show some maturity, FordaT.
> There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
> a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
Ever heard of HDTV, Laser disc, Pal plus?
Or I can sum it up in one sentence for you. The future of television.
> If that's an attack... oy vey.
FordaT has read the FAQ (I assume) and JMS messages and continues to
claim everything out of JMS mounth is lies. Who should I believe?
________
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FordaT
lame.
>I think it's sad that the only way he feels he can get attention is to
>rabidly attack every aspect of B5.
>David Patrick
It might help if you answer my question?
Has anyone ever seen an entire episode letterboxed?
Would you care to address that issue?
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Lars Joreteg
> In article <DHzpw...@ecf.toronto.edu>
> kro...@ecf.toronto.edu (KROMKAMP ANDY) writes:
>
> > JMS has stated a few times that they shoot in Letterbox (or close to) ratios,
> > in case HDTV catches on (There are probably more tangible reasons as well).
>
> Interesting. Do HDTVs have a different height/width ratio? That would
> be neat, but seems unlikely. (Now, the fact that they're shooting them
> in high definition is pretty cool, but I don't think it has much to do
> with letterboxing.)
All versions of HDTV standards (European, US/Japanese) presently have
16:9 screen ratio. It is not likely to change. 16:9 is a more relaxing
ratio for the human eye.
> I thought the whole reason for letterboxing was that movie screens were
> much wider in proportion to their height.
Has nothing to do with that. It just is a better, more natural format.
> In order to fit them on TV,
> either the edges have to be cropped, the picture moves slowly back and
> forth (pan and scan), or black space is added to the top and bottom to
> match ratios (letterboxing).
Letterboxing refers to the actual format 16:9, not the process of adding
black lines under and above.
> Since I know of no plans to show these
> episodes in movie format, it seems like filming them and then cropping
> them to fit TV (which they must do if they film wide-screen) is a bit
> of a waste. I think there has to be another reason.
HDTV. (16:9) Whats wrong with planning for the future?
> It also begs the question as to what is happening just off to the
> side..:)
>
> > Based on Ford's past juvenile behavior, The Attack was probably based on a
> > percieved attitude that Ford was saying "How do we REALLY knwo that JMS is
> > filming on Letterbox. He just could be LYING, just to make is Lemmings even
> > rabid. Can't you SEE People? YOur being tricked!!! Save yourself!!!!! JMS
> > is the devil.... He will have your soul for breakfast!!! ". Or something
> > to that effect.
>
> Yes, but that post lacked the traditional capitalization, exclamation
> points and regular diatribe. Even the most extreme are allowed to ask a
> sensible question every once in a while...
When I was new to r.a.s.t.B5, I used to think that FordaT's questions
perhaps were justified. But experience has changed my mind...
Julie Waters
>There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
>a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
I don't know whether or not it's an attack. The tendency to regard
virtually everything stated on the internet as an attack of some sort is
something I tend to ignore. ;-)
However, regarding letterbox format, this is my own understanding:
The show is, like Star Trek, filmed first in 35mm film format (for the
crisp, clean quality, and because some of the effects are more easily
added in that format) and later transferred to video. JMS apparently is
planning to release videodisc or letterboxed versions of the episodes down
the line. Or, possibly, he'll have it letterboxed during rebroadcast on
TNT. Letterboxing, to film buffs, _does_ look a great deal better than
most square video, and I'd be thrilled to see wide-screen versions of the
show.
In essence: just because most TV shows aren't filmed in wide-screen
format, that doesn't mean that some aren't designed for it.
Babylon 5 is not a show I expected much of at first, though I was always
amazed with the visual brilliance of the show. Now that the plot, acting
and scripting (which I just really did not care for at all during the
first season) seem to have caught up with the brilliant visual technology,
it's a show I've come to regard as one of the best on television, and I am
greatly looking forward to seeing it from the beginning again in the
format and style it was originally intended. I hope it really happens
that way.
--Julie Waters
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Aaron Bergman
(Papa Funk) wrote:
:There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
:a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
:
:If that's an attack... oy vey.
Because it's cool and if HDTV ever happens, that will be a widescreen
format of some sort.
Aaron (B5 is filmed in widescreen)
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Brian Troxell
>Sounds to me like a rightfully incredulous question.
>What's the point to filimg a TV series (any series, not just B5) in
>a wide-screen aspect ratio? That's just silly.
Ignoring the bad netiquette of following up my own post...
I've since read the other posts indicating that B5 _is_ filmed in
HDTV aspect ratio. Which brings up my next question...
Is it filmed _artistically_ using the wide screen, namely using all of
the screen and then pan-and-scanned to fit the TV screen, or is it just
filmed like a regular TV show with a bigger screen?
Assuming anyone can figure out what I mean by that question (it came
out badly, but I can't think of another way to phrase it), I'm curious
to find out the answer.
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David John Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>On 13 Nov 1995, FordaT wrote:
>> Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
>> Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
Sounds to me like a rightfully incredulous question.
What's the point to filimg a TV series (any series, not just B5) in
a wide-screen aspect ratio? That's just silly.
--
Kris & J.D.
Joreteg <ljor...@puc.edu> wrote:
> ...
> All versions of HDTV standards (European, US/Japanese) presently have
> 16:9 screen ratio. It is not likely to change. 16:9 is a more relaxing
> ratio for the human eye.
>
> > I thought the whole reason for letterboxing was that movie screens were
> > much wider in proportion to their height.
>
> Has nothing to do with that. It just is a better, more natural format.
Hmmm... I think it DOES have something to do with that.
This past week while I was hunting for the Star Wars trilogy in letter box
format, I happened to pick up a video guide in the local mall. I skimmed
part of a section regarding "letterboxing".
According to this book, the increased ratio DOES have a purpose.
Originally, motion pictures were shot in a 1.37:1 ratio (or something
close). Movies were very popular and one of the primary entertainment
draws in the United States. Then, in the middle of the century, television
exploded onto the scene with its 1.33:1 image ratio. Because the
television screen was not much smaller than the movie screen, not much of
the film image was lost when re-broadcast on the televison.
In order to compete with television, studios decided to film with wider
lenses with processes such as "Cinemascope" or whatever. Some of these
used ratios as great as 2.35:1 (!?!?!). When rebroadcast on televsion,
such movies had to be severely cropped or they had to be "letterboxed".
Apparently, this wide-screen craze lasted only from about 1955-1975. Now
most movies are shout at 1.55:1 (or something close to that), meaning that
though SOME image is lost in the transfer, the loss isn't that great.
Again: this is just my best recollection from a chapter in a book that I
happened to skim. Yet, I think the information is fairly accurate.
> > In order to fit them on TV,
> > either the edges have to be cropped, the picture moves slowly back and
> > forth (pan and scan), or black space is added to the top and bottom to
> > match ratios (letterboxing).
>
> Letterboxing refers to the actual format 16:9, not the process of adding
> black lines under and above.
I don't think that "letterboxing" refers to the acutal format 16:9 (though
I will admit that I am making an educated guess here). Since wide-screen
filming can take the form of many different ratios, and since we don't
refer to a movie in a theater as being "letterboxed", I think that it can
be safely said that "letterboxing" refers to the process of transferring a
film to television format so that none of the image is lost, which
neccessarily entails the inclusion of black bars at the top and bottom of
most television screens.
As an aside: I thought that the original question which launched this
tangent was kind of bizarre (not having known that Babylon 5 is reportedly
filmed with some kind of wide-angle format). So, I wasn't shocked by this
Fordat's response. It DOES seem odd to me all of the quick and hostile
responses Fordat recevied. I guess maybe I should just lurk in this
newsgroup a while; maybe the responses are deserved. But what kind of
message do they send to new r.a.s.t.b5 readers such as myself? I'm just
coming into the Babylon 5 fold (after initially thinking that it stunk to
high heaven). Do you want to scare people off?
--j.d.
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Christopher J. Eggert
>
>It might help if you answer my question?
>
>Has anyone ever seen an entire episode letterboxed?
>
>Would you care to address that issue?
>
>Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Actually, yes, I would care to address that issue (although Beauford here
won't accept what I have to say as fact because I don't have anything to
point to but my memory). I do remember a while back, in a discussion
associated with the Europeans who watch the show, that what they see on
their PAL sets (with a 16:9 ratio) contains the entire NTSC image from the
U.S. version of the show *plus* some additional information on both sides.
Now, think about this a moment, Beauford. There's more information on the
sides, but about the same amount of information top to bottom. That means
the U.S. version of B5 is panned and scanned. That means that the aspect
ratio B5 is filmed in is something other than the NTSC standard. Could
it, maybe, be something approximating the HDTV specifications for aspect
ratio? Or at least the PAL specs?
Try something a little more consequential next time, Beauford.
=== Christopher J. Eggert (ceg...@willamette.edu) ===
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Jonathan Blum
>>Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
>>TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
>Excuse me?
>Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
JMS.
Saying no more,
Jon Blum
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>
>No, I was asking a question, that so far no one has been able or willing
>to answer which is has anyone seen (Firsthand) an entire shown in a
>wide-screen format?
No. No one has seen it yet, because the show is not currently being
broadcast anywhere in letterbox. It's filmed in wide-screen - or do you
really think JMS et al. have the time and budget to watch episodes,
pick the shote they want to put in the main titles, and then go back and
*re-film* those shots in a different aspect ratio, duplicating the shots
exactly? (Some of those shots, you'll note - though not for this season -
are chock-full of extras who are doing things in the background.)
>>BTW, Our Good and DEAR Friends will be getting the 3rd season in Letter
>>Box format. Just because it seems immplausible, doesn't mean it's
>>improbable, consequently impossible.
>
>Ok, would you tell me how and where?
Season Three (i.e., the season that's just started airing in the U.S.).
If I remember correctly, France and Germany will definitely be broadcasting
in letterbox this year (no, I have no clue when the season starts in
either of those countries). I'm sure some B5 fan there will make a gloating
post when the episodes go on the air.
There's also the possibility - though I haven't heard this confirmed yet -
that the United Kingdom will get Season Three in letterbox when it starts
broadcasting there. If that actually goes down - and word has it it will -
you'll get confirmation in spades when "Matters of Honor" airs there and
all the Brits start gloating, causing us Yank B5 fans to get exceedingly
grumpy.
Ok?
David Hines
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu
David John Patrick
Ford is replying to e-mail on ths subject, so e-mail him with the
references in various SF magazines where it states the show is in
widescreen format. I'm at work right now, so I don't have any material to
hand.
And remember when e-mailing Ford be civil.
David Patrick
FordaT
Papa Funk (to...@eagle.mit.edu) wrote:
: There's an attack here? I was asking the very same question. Why would
: a TV show film in letterbox format? Is there any point to it?
: If that's an attack... oy vey.
>If you've been around Mr. FAT long enough, you can make assumptions to
>the intent of his questions. You may fail, but more-often-than-not,
>you'll be correct.
>FAT implies someone is lying.
No, I was asking a question, that so far no one has been able or willing
to answer which is has anyone seen (Firsthand) an entire shown in a
wide-screen format?
>BTW, Our Good and DEAR Friends will be getting the 3rd season in Letter
>Box format. Just because it seems immplausible, doesn't mean it's
>improbable, consequently impossible.
>Vinay.
Ok, would you tell me how and where?
No attack,no flame, just a simple direct question?
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
David John Patrick
On 14 Nov 1995, Nickolai B. Ogurtsov wrote:
> In article <488670$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, FordaT <for...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Has anyone ever seen an entire episode letterboxed?
>
> Actually, yes. The pilot was released in Japan on laserdisk. I
> haven't seen it, but I'd be more than surprised if it turned out that
> it's not in 16:9 ratio.
Afraid not, the pilot was the only part of B5 not made in widescreen. The
series is, but the pilot sadly is not.
David Patrick
John W Kennedy
>As an aside: I thought that the original question which launched this
>tangent was kind of bizarre (not having known that Babylon 5 is reportedly
>filmed with some kind of wide-angle format). So, I wasn't shocked by this
>Fordat's response. It DOES seem odd to me all of the quick and hostile
>responses Fordat recevied.
An explanation.
1. "FordaT" has repeatedly sniped at B5, many times making direct attacks on
JMS's veracity concerning various backstage events, and claiming to have
secret informants of his own who have told him "the truth". He has never
named these informants, and none of his "truths" have ever been supported by
verifiable public evidence.
2. JMS has said from the beginning that B5 is filmed in 16/9, for the sake of
future HDTV. (In the same way, the producers of the old George Reeves
"Adventures of Superman" series had the foresight to film in color after the
first year.) All long-term fans active on the net have known about it for
years, and, of course, anyone who worked on B5 (including "FordaT"'s
mysterious sources) would know.
3. It is possible to interpret "FordaT"'s question about letterboxing B5 as
arising out of honest ignorance, but considering how much time he spends here
making a nuisance of himself, and how long he has been doing it, it is hard to
believe that he is ignorant of point (2). Therefore, most of us have jumped
to the conclusion that his question is yet another case of point (1),
although, as I say, his actual wording in this case does not unambiguously
support that interpretation.
FordaT
>Ranger" in color, back in the 50's?
>(You are _aware_ of HDTV, I trust?)
The reason those program were filmed in color were to help the sales of
Color TV.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
John W Kennedy
>Sounds to me like a rightfully incredulous question.
>What's the point to filimg a TV series (any series, not just B5) in
>a wide-screen aspect ratio? That's just silly.
What was the point of filming "The Adventures of Superman" or "The Lone
Ken Alper
<mb...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5: 14-Nov-95 Re: TNT get
> rerun rights to.. by For...@aol.com
> >
> > No, I was asking a question, that so far no one has been able or willing
> > to answer which is has anyone seen (Firsthand) an entire shown in a
> > wide-screen format?
> >
>
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Your one line answer and eight-line signature really didn't help this guy.
I presume your snappy reply means that you know exactly where that answer
is in the FAQ; it couldn't have been much more difficult to say "Yeah, at
GeekCon '93" or something like that.
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Jonathan Blum
>I've since read the other posts indicating that B5 _is_ filmed in
>HDTV aspect ratio. Which brings up my next question...
>Is it filmed _artistically_ using the wide screen, namely using all of
>the screen and then pan-and-scanned to fit the TV screen, or is it just
>filmed like a regular TV show with a bigger screen?
Like many theatrical films these days, it's filmed so that each shot will
look good (or at least decent) in both formats.
A good example of what I mean is in some of the Grey Council scenes...
there are a number of two-shots with one character in profile in the
foreground, with only the front half of their head visible, while a
character talks to them from the background near the other edge of
the screen. In standard TV aspect ratio, this is an unusual but
effective composition -- you get the important part of the foreground
character's face visible, and the only thing chopped off is the back
section of their head.
The wider shot which would be seen in a widescreen edit would be
identical, but including the full head of the foreground character.
A more standard looking movie two-head-shot.
From what I understand, a lot of film-camera viewfinders these days are
set up with masks indicating both widescreen and TV-screen dimensions,
to aid movie-makers in planning shots which will look good once their
feature film is sold to TV...
Regards,
Robert Kaiser
>You seem to forget my original question which was:
>"Has anyone seen an entire episode in a letterboxed format?"
>To date no one has said they had, why?
>Wouldn't you think by now that someone would have?
>Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Uh, Ford? In case you haven't heard, although the show is
filmed in wide screen format, it is trimmed for TV. And you
know why? Because no TV Stations in the US broadcast HDTV!
This is why no one has seen it; It has not yet been broadcast
in that form, nor for that matter should it have been.
When I had the opportunity to have lunch with JMS earlier this
year he mentioned that they hope to release the widescreen
version at some point in the future - hopefully on Laserdisc.
Of course, this all depends on Warner Brothers to actually
RELEASE the damn tapes and discs!
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> Besides, France has reportedly requested the full-dimensioned show
> for its showing.
Channel 4 over here are also `very interested' in having B5 in Widescreen
if poss, so far as I know.
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> Sounds to me like a rightfully incredulous question.
> What's the point to filimg a TV series (any series, not just B5) in
> a wide-screen aspect ratio? That's just silly.
No it is not. I for one prefer the wide screen ratios, and if there is a
possibilty of ever seeing any show in those ratios, then I would think it
would be a good idea to shoot them that way wo begin with.
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Dirk A Loedding
for...@aol.com (FordaT) wrote:
[snip]
>I was unaware that "Lois and Clark" was claiming it was being filmed in a
>wide-screen format? Where exactly do you see this reported?
JMS wrote it. Why would have have a reason to lie about another show?
[snip]
>>5. JMS has stated that B5 is filmed in letterbox format.
>Let's just say I'd like that confirmed by independent source.
Let's just say you're essentially calling JMS a liar. Why would he have
*ANY* reason whatsoever to lie about that??? He first mentioned this
fact *AGES* ago....*LONG* before Time/Warner and Turner started merger
talks...*LONG* before there was any hint anywhere that TNT would end up
buying B5 reruns.
Face it, Ford. You do not, and cannot believe anything JMS says.
Sounds like a personal problem to me. You're so paranoid and untrusting
it's not *even* funny anymore.
(And, I fully expect that the only part of this article you'll respond
to is the preceding paragraph...you'll completely fail to respond to
anything else I've written...and if you do, it'll be a meaningless
restatement of your favorite "JMS is a liar" thesis.")
[snip]
>You seem to forget my original question which was:
>"Has anyone seen an entire episode in a letterboxed format?"
Irrelevent question. Stations won't show anything in letterbox format.
Too many people out there don't like it, or worse, don't understand the
concept. They think they're losing picture information when they see
something in letterbox format, when, in reality, they're not.
>To date no one has said they had, why?
See above. TV stations don't generally broadcast *ANYTHING* in
letterbox format...even things *known* to be filmed at standard movie
screen ratios....such as theatrical releases that end up on one of the
networks.
>Wouldn't you think by now that someone would have?
No. Again, see above.
>It's a question, not an attack.
Yes, the question is indeed a question. But be honest, Ford. You also
attacked JMS. To quote, again:
>Let's just say I'd like that confirmed by independent source.
If that's not another way of saying "JMS is a liar", I don't know what
is.
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Well, since the pilot is the worst thing about the series (it almost
made me not watch the show), I don't think it's that big of a loss.
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Lee Whiteside
: >Well -- TNT often shows "letterboxed" editions of movies. Any chance
: >TNT will show reruns of B5 letterboxed? This would be great!!
: Excuse me?
: Who is saying that this show is film in wide-screen?
: Has anyone ever seen it (Other then the opening credits) letterboxed?
I have seen the film cameras they use, and they are set up for widescreen
filming. Also, Lois & Clark is being filmed the same way. Maybe TNT
does have something in mind downstream. The third season of B5 will air
in some european countries in widescreen and well as possibly in the U.K.
: Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
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B5 in letterbox or seen them filming with widescreen cameras (FYI, the
monitors for the cameras have lines on them to show what will be visible
in the standard aspect ratio so that the director can frame the shot to
not lose any vital information on screen). The reason that no one has
seen an episode in widescreen is that none exists YET. What they have to
do to generate a widescreen episode is to re-edit the footage in that
format and make a new composite. Until they actually have a market for
the widescreen format, they won't spend the extra money to make a
widescreen version. For season three, the foreign networks are putting
up the money to do this.
As for Lois & Clark, I have seen it mentioned elsewhere other than a
mention by JMS about their filming in HDTV format. There has also been a
couple of instances on the show (L&C), where we've seen a HDTV monitor with
the footage on the monitor the HDTV ratio, not just a letterbox image.
I think Warners is planning for the future and there is likely other
shows being done this way, just not mentioning it at this point.
Rebecca Drayer
Does anyone know a planned start date yet, or has it still not been
announced?
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Rebecca Drayer <radr...@panix.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know a planned start date yet, or has it still not been
>announced?
According to JMS, B5 will not begin its TNT run until it completes its
syndication run. (In other words, not until the end of season five.)
Ted
Rob McConeghy
start showing it? Only after the entire first run is done? As soon as B5 gets
cancelled (perish the thought)? Any time they want? or what?
Marty Tabnik
DA> Message-ID: <VA.000000a...@citsoft.co.uk>
DA> Well seeing that both France and Germany have bought season 3 in
DA> letterbox format, it seems likely that it is, in fact, shot in
DA> letterbox (otherwise they would have nothing to show).
I think that quite a few of us would like to see B5 in
letterbox/widescreen format. And
It would be an SF (nay, a TV!) first!!!
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FordaT
In article <489mvu$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, FordaT <for...@aol.com>
wrote:
>You seem to forget my original question which was:
>"Has anyone seen an entire episode in a letterboxed format?"
>To date no one has said they had, why?
>To respond in classic Ford style by answering a question with a question:
>Has anyone seen the new Star Wars Special Edition?
>To date no one has said they had, why?
Because it's not due to be released until (At last report) May l997.
The fact they are doing a special edition has been widely reported and
confirmed by a number of news sources.
John Williams has already agreed to composed a bit of new music for the
new scenes,also some of this lost footage (Which will have I'm told a CGI
Jabba the Hut added) was filmed back in 1976 and has been shown as part of
at least one STAR WARS special.
>Regards,
>Jon Blum
Any more questions?
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
BakingWomn
damn-I'm-embarrassed-that-he's-on-the-same-service-as-me Thaxton has a
really childish habit of questioning EVERYTHING conceivable about B5. I'm
beginning to wonder if he would challenge JMS for saying the sky is blue.
Michelle
C Taylor Sutherland III
>According to JMS, B5 will not begin its TNT run until it completes its
>syndication run. (In other words, not until the end of season five.)
This is, of course, assuming that the thing runs for all 5 seasons.
If it doesn't, we'll just have a million fan march on WB studio or
wherever.
:)
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>>
>>
This one has just got to take the cake. Mr. Thaxton is really
showing himself to be irrationally paranoid here.
1) The is just no conceivable motivation for JMS to say he is filming in
letterbox if he was not.
2) The U.K.'s ch. 4 has bought B5's season 3 in letterbox. In several
months Ford can ask the question in the U.K. B5 newsgroup.
3) Mr. Thaxton, please what the opening sequences of season 1, 2, and 3.
The new season 3 sesquence shows many season *2* clips in letterbox
and it includes both live action and CGI shots. Unless you believe
that Babylonian Productions would spend an enormous amount of money
to re-render/reshoot these scenes just for the opening sequence of
season 3, the rational conclusion is that the were orginally done
in letterbox. Plus the season 1 opening sequence showed season
1 stuff in letterbox and the season 2 opening sequence showed
season 2 stuff in letterbox.
In short, we *DON'T* have to take JMS's word on the issue what-so-ever.
Mike Hopkins
Daniel M. Silevitch
for...@aol.com (FordaT) wrote:
:bakin...@aol.com (BakingWomn)
:
:>it's not _what_ he said, but _how_ he said it. Mr.
:>damn-I'm-embarrassed-that-he's-on-the-same-service-as-me Thaxton >has a
:really childish habit of questioning EVERYTHING conceivable about >B5.
:Am I then to assume that any
:thing JMS says should be taken as "The Holy Truth" and never questioned?
No, but you seem to go too far in the opposite direction, ie you assume
that anything he says is a lie until proven otherwise. In keeping with
the judicial tradition of this country, I suggest that you try to adopt
a policy of "innocent until proven guilty." If there is evidence that
JMS is lying, then call him out for it, but don't go ballistic every time
he says something that you don't like.
JMS stated that B5 episodes are shot in widescreen. Until and unless
evidence surfaces that this is not true (for example "B5 uses the
Foo-3 film camera, and these cameras can only shoot film sized for
standard TV"), this statement should be accepted as true.
-dms
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take a thousand years, we will be free." Babylon 5, The Long Twilight Struggle
Benjamin Schultz KE3OM
doubt they'll do so any time soon...
Anybody in the DC area want to hold a "Gathering" party?
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>it's not _what_ he said, but _how_ he said it. Mr.
>damn-I'm-embarrassed-that-he's-on-the-same-service-as-me Thaxton >has a
really childish habit of questioning EVERYTHING conceivable about >B5.
Am I then to assume that any
thing JMS says should be taken as "The Holy Truth" and never questioned?
>I'm beginning to wonder if he would challenge JMS for saying the sky is
>blue.
>Michelle
To answer your question, I'd like any statement made by him to be
confirmed by one or two independent sources.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Jay Denebeim
Ken Alper <ksa...@injersey.com> wrote:
>It's not about wasted bandwidth, it's about being a decent person instead
>of a prick.
You must be really new here. FAT started the JMS is full of shit
thread only a couple of months ago. Treating an asocial prick poorly
isn't being a prick.
IF FAT's post was not a troll, it would be the first time he's ever
posted on this group in the two years he's been around here that he's
ever posted anything but a troll.
Jay
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>Well, since the pilot is the worst thing about the series (it almost
>made me not watch the show), I don't think it's that big of a loss.
I suggest you go back and watch it again. It ages VERY well. I too
hated the pilot so much I didn't start watching B5 until it had been
on the air several months.
Not too long ago I obtained a copy of the pilot. It's MUCH better
now that I know what's going on. So is the first season. In B5 the
whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.
Franklin Hummel
(Jeffrey Kaplan) writes:
>And lo, ful...@ix.netcom.com (Theron Fuller ) spake thusly:
>>If you're going to organize such a party, I'd check with the Warner
>>Bros. legal department to see if it's o.k. with them to show the
>>episode under those circumstances. The Warner Bros. legal folks might
>>still be monitoring this newsgroup and might consider you to be in
>>violation of the Baylon 5 copyright some way or other if you show it a
>>public setting.
>
>I could be wrong, but I believe that the copyright laws on that are
>only violated if admission is charged.
This is correct and something which even JMS has confirmed in the
past.
There is NO problem with group showings as long as NO admission
is charged.
-- Frank Hummel [ hum...@netcom.com ]
Michael J. King Sr.
>In <48ll7o$h...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> benj...@w3eax.umd.edu (Benjamin
>Schultz KE3OM) writes:
>>
>>About a month ago, I faxed DC-20, asking them to re-air the B5 pilot.
>>I doubt they'll do so any time soon...
>>Anybody in the DC area want to hold a "Gathering" party?
>>
>If you're going to organize such a party, I'd check with the Warner
>Bros. legal department to see if it's o.k. with them to show the
>episode under those circumstances. The Warner Bros. legal folks might
>still be monitoring this newsgroup and might consider you to be in
>violation of the Baylon 5 copyright some way or other if you show it a
>public setting.
>Better to be safe than sorry.
As long as the gathering for the 'Gathering' isn't for profit I believe
WB/PTEN can't/won't say a thing. I remember last year one of our group folks
had a get together marathon and spelled out the legal pap. I archived the post
but haven't located it as yet, but, will post it when I do. The other thing I
remember jms saying that the Gathering had reverted back to WB/PTEN so the
stations could not reshow it any longer. Maybe someone archived that message.
Later.Mike#139
Jay Denebeim
Franklin Hummel <hum...@netcom.com> wrote:
> This is correct and something which even JMS has confirmed in the
>past.
>
> There is NO problem with group showings as long as NO admission
>is charged.
That's not *quite* true as a number of con committees can tell you.
WB was VERY hard on people this summer wrt the FF. Showing it in
someone's house with friends is fine, showing it in an auditorium with
a ton of people is not, regardless of admission.
FordaT
Source: By Eric Mink, New York Daily News.
Section: WEEKEND CHICAGO
Column: Television
Parts: 30
Copyright Chicago Tribune
SOFT-CENTERED `BABYLON 5'S' WORTH A LOOK
Think of "Babylon 5" as syndicated TV's version of the Tootsie Pop: a
ball of sweet candy on the outside with a soft blob of yucky chocolate
fudge in the middle.
The show is set on the 5-mile-long Babylon 5 space station (Babylons 1
through 3 were destroyed; No. 4 simply vanished), with its bubbling
mixture of some 100 different races from all over the universe, humans
included. It's the year 2260.
The gooey soft spot at the heart of the show is baby-faced Bruce
Boxleitner, who stars as the guy running the place, Capt. John Sheridan.
Hollywood seems unshakably convinced that Boxleitner is a credible
action-adventure hero, despite the ample evidence to the contrary.
In this context, his breathy voice and bland visage are about as
authoritative as a campfire marshmallow (you'll excuse the multiple candy
metaphors). These are not exactly the qualities you look for in the
military leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much
success, a fragile intergalactic peace.
Get beyond Boxleitner, though, and you find an interesting collection
of characters, some able performers, an intriguing premise, a fair amount
of action and suspense and a reasonably entertaining show.
As a multi-species installation--although humans seem to be in
charge--Babylon 5 (8 p.m. Thursdays on WPWR-Ch. 50) is awash in political,
social and racial tensions dating back centuries. If you haven't watched
the show before, sorting through the alliances and rivalries can be
daunting:
The Earth and the Minbari Federation seem to be pretty sensible allies;
the Narn Regime and the Centauri Republic--fanatics both --are sworn
enemies. And the Shadows . . . well, you really don't talk about the
Shadows, and you certainly don't want to mess with them.
"Babylon 5" isn't what you'd call appointment TV, but it's worth a
look.
Keywords: TELEVISION REVIEW
Document ID: S532207c
Edwin Yoo
i thought the article was tasteful but i totally disagree with alot of
points. my main frustration is similar to when i see siskel and ebert try
to analyze "wayne's world". the movie was funny...you're generation just
won't get it.
: Hollywood seems unshakably convinced that Boxleitner is a credible
: action-adventure hero, despite the ample evidence to the contrary.
too bad babylon 5 is not an action-adventure show...
: These are not exactly the qualities you look for in the
: military leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much
: success, a fragile intergalactic peace.
and of course (sarcasm) the author knows the "exact qualities of a military
leader in a SPACE STATION! again...grr.. although i DO agree that sinclair
was more of an authority figure than sheridan.
: As a multi-species installation--although humans seem to be in
: charge
uhh? "humans get their butts in kicked in earth=minbari war with only 1
victory" "humans are ABOUT to get their butts kicked in shadow-vorlon war"
etc etc.. yup, they're in charge. (?)
: The Earth and the Minbari Federation seem to be pretty sensible allies;
too bad only the religious caste are really "allies"...
: "Babylon 5" isn't what you'd call appointment TV, but it's worth a
: look.
let me guess, he watches voyager by appointment...
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Wayne Throop
: leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much success,
: a fragile intergalactic peace.
An "intergalactic" peace? An "INTERGALACTIC" peace?
Rather like saying that Andy Taylor and Barney Fife were
"trying to maintain fragile international law and order".
Sigh. WattaMaroon. Stringing words together without a clue.
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Michael Hilliard
: >That's not *quite* true as a number of con committees can tell you.
: >WB was VERY hard on people this summer wrt the FF. Showing it in
: >someone's house with friends is fine, showing it in an auditorium with
: >a ton of people is not, regardless of admission.
:
: You are -paying- admission to the con, which is why showing those
: B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
: part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
:
: I remember at one point a group of students wanted to show a whole
: bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
: saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
:
: The whole thing of showing videos at convention's is somewhat of
: a gray area and one I am not totally clear on as far as the full legalities.
: The real-world results does seem to be it is illegal, but seems to escape
: action mostly because it isn't worth the studios bother (as long as you do
: not inform them of it). At least, this has been my experience from being
: on a number of convention committees over the past 15 years.
Marcon has gotten around this by letting anyone who happens to be in the
convention area into their movie rooms. I was the gopher-on-duty, way back
at Marcon 24, when it went down. First they tell me not to let anyone without
a con badge into the movie rooms, then an hour later they come back and tell
me I'm breaking the law.
I haven't gopher'd since. =)
Ffelann
FordaT
>of the show.
Your very welcome.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Jay Denebeim
>B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
>part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
That's not like it was. First off, the FF were *NOT* on the schedule.
WB legal contacted Intersection and said that they had people there
and if ANY showing of the FF happened on convention space (like, say
some fans unofficially taking over one of the video rooms, for
instance) they would come down on them like a ton of bricks. Scared
the hell out of the concom, they had quite a few notices up about it.
(of course, blockbuster's is in scotland, and they'll hapilly rent you
a VCR :-))
Anyway, they came down HARD.
> I remember at one point a group of students wanted to show a whole
>bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
>saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
This wasn't the FF.
> The whole thing of showing videos at convention's is somewhat of
>a gray area and one I am not totally clear on as far as the full legalities.
>The real-world results does seem to be it is illegal, but seems to escape
>action mostly because it isn't worth the studios bother (as long as you do
>not inform them of it). At least, this has been my experience from being
>on a number of convention committees over the past 15 years.
Personally, I think their attitude is absolutely insane. Why piss off
your core audience??? Stupid, stupid, stupid...
David Hines
ROFL!
I'm astonished. That's the best word B5 has gotten from the press in this
country in a while. At least the show is getting some notice, even if the
article has a couple of errors, and the reporter doesn't consider it an
"appointment show."
Rather than come down on the guy for the stuff he got wrong, I'm pleased
that B5 finally got a good word from somebody. Press is *good;* to get
reviewed in the mainstream press is *great,* especially since B5 1) ain't
a new show and 2) ain't Star Trek.
Excuse me, I have to go. I have 55 hrs and as many minutes before the
"A Day in the Strife" airs in my area; I need to get ready.
David Hines
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu
it's an appointment show for me, baby
Franklin Hummel
>In article <hummelDI...@netcom.com>,
>Franklin Hummel <hum...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>past.
>> There is NO problem with group showings as long as NO admission
>>is charged.
>
>WB was VERY hard on people this summer wrt the FF. Showing it in
>someone's house with friends is fine, showing it in an auditorium with
>a ton of people is not, regardless of admission.
B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
a gray area and one I am not totally clear on as far as the full legalities.
The real-world results does seem to be it is illegal, but seems to escape
action mostly because it isn't worth the studios bother (as long as you do
not inform them of it). At least, this has been my experience from being
on a number of convention committees over the past 15 years.
Gabe White
: : Hollywood seems unshakably convinced that Boxleitner is a credible
: : action-adventure hero, despite the ample evidence to the contrary.
: too bad babylon 5 is not an action-adventure show...
Watch TKO and say that again. (Actually, almost every episode has some
kind of silly brawl break out...)
: : These are not exactly the qualities you look for in the
: : military leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much
: : success, a fragile intergalactic peace.
: and of course (sarcasm) the author knows the "exact qualities of a military
: leader in a SPACE STATION! again...grr.. although i DO agree that sinclair
: was more of an authority figure than sheridan.
The author thinks Sheridan isn't a very good leader. I agree. He looks
and sounds like a wimp.
: : As a multi-species installation--although humans seem to be in
: : charge
: uhh? "humans get their butts in kicked in earth=minbari war with only 1
: victory" "humans are ABOUT to get their butts kicked in shadow-vorlon war"
: etc etc.. yup, they're in charge. (?)
He meant in charge of the station, I think.
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John Staats
post it. Ford, can I assume you are a fast at typing or did you scan
this in. Or was it electronic to begin with. I agree with another
followup-that getting non-electronic (mass market) feedback is
interesting. I am saving an old Entertainment Weekly that devoted an
entire spread for an article that panned the first season of B5. It said
that the show was utterly without concept and old trek gurus like Harlan
Ellison hired at creative consultant had better do _something_ to earn
their keep." Since then the magazine has utterly avoided acknowledging
B5's existence despite their obeisance to Berman and Co. franchise of
the Paramount marketing machine.
Boxleitner ain't great, he's good, but I definitely can see their point
of view. Also I agree with a newbee's ability to assimilate the entire
plotline. . .it's the nature of the beast when you do a weekly serial, I
suppose.
John Staats
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Crom. I've never prayed to you before, I have no time for it. No one,
not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad; why we fought,
why we died. No. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's
what is important. Battle pleases you, Crom, so grant me one request,
grant me revenge.
And if you don't listen then to hell with you.
Stew Barnes
Hummel) wrote:
> You are -paying- admission to the con, which is why showing those
> B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
> part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
>
> I remember at one point a group of students wanted to show a whole
> bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
> saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
IIRC, JMS stated that HE would have no problem with it. Technically,
large group showings of copied television shows are a violation of
copyright. Realistically, nothing is going to happen unless the event is
huge and purposefully draws attention to itself. The rights granted by
the courts to videotape tv shows for personal use are rather specific, if
rarely followed.
Stew
Ian J. Ball
McLean) wrote:
> Why, why, why? Why does everyone hate Sheridan? I like him
> and his presence on the show. I wouldn't watch the show without him.
> No way. I think people just don't like him because he is not Sinclair.
Ditto. Some (male) reviewers just seem to have it out for the guy. I say
screw 'em because I like Boxleitner, and always have.
Now if they were complaining about characters, I would have understood had
they singled out Delenn...
As for the reviewer, how could he miss mentioning what my mother
affectionately calls "The Box Guy" (i.e. Kosh)?
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Jeffrey Kaplan
>That's not *quite* true as a number of con committees can tell you.
>WB was VERY hard on people this summer wrt the FF. Showing it in
>someone's house with friends is fine, showing it in an auditorium with
>a ton of people is not, regardless of admission.
Re: the showing at cons: At a con, don't you have to pay admission to
enter the thing? Therefor, admission was charged for the showing(s)
of any show/production at the con.
Jeffrey Kaplan <http://www.tiac.net/users/gordol>
Londo:"I hate my life." G'Kar:"Me too." Londo:"Shut up."
Jack Dunn
: In article <hummelDI...@netcom.com>,
: Franklin Hummel <hum...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > You are -paying- admission to the con, which is why showing those
: >B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
: >part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
: That's not like it was. First off, the FF were *NOT* on the schedule.
: WB legal contacted Intersection and said that they had people there
: and if ANY showing of the FF happened on convention space (like, say
: some fans unofficially taking over one of the video rooms, for
: instance) they would come down on them like a ton of bricks. Scared
: the hell out of the concom, they had quite a few notices up about it.
: > I remember at one point a group of students wanted to show a whole
: >bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
: >saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
: This wasn't the FF.
We are the planetarium which had the B5 marathon and it happened last
spring before the final four. Didn't charge admission and even
directed people to where to watch the series over the air. A bunch of
us did watch the FF this summer together, but we didn't advertise it
and it was not an organized public event.
Cons charge admission and there is what I believe is the big sticking
point for someone like WB.
: Personally, I think their attitude is absolutely insane. Why piss off
: your core audience??? Stupid, stupid, stupid...
: Jay
Of course they are stupid - otherwise they'd have those tapes and
laserdisks out by now.
But they aren't as stupid as Paramount who still promotes Voyager as
the greatest thing since sliced bread.
--
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Lased But Not Confused
International Laser Display Association
Jim_...@transarc.com
ffe...@infinet.com (Michael Hilliard) writes:
> Marcon has gotten around this by letting anyone who happens to be in the
> convention area into their movie rooms. I was the gopher-on-duty, way back
> at Marcon 24, when it went down. First they tell me not to let anyone without
> a con badge into the movie rooms, then an hour later they come back and tell
> me I'm breaking the law.
>
My guess is that Marcon gets around this because nobody has decided to
stomp on them. The procedure you describe clearly violates the
law. The law only allows "personal use," not public showing of any
kind. The studios either don't know what Marcon is doing or know but
don't mind and thus don't push the issue.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
>SOFT-CENTERED `BABYLON 5'S' WORTH A LOOK
>
> Think of "Babylon 5" as syndicated TV's version of the Tootsie Pop: a
>ball of sweet candy on the outside with a soft blob of yucky chocolate
>fudge in the middle.
> The show is set on the 5-mile-long Babylon 5 space station (Babylons 1
>through 3 were destroyed; No. 4 simply vanished), with its bubbling
>mixture of some 100 different races from all over the universe, humans
>included. It's the year 2260.
Gosh... They darn it with faint praise...
Tom McLean
Why, why, why? Why does everyone hate Sheridan? I like him
and his presence on the show. I wouldn't watch the show without him.
No way. I think people just don't like him because he is not Sinclair.
-Tom
"Life is like a box of chicklets." (No surprises here)
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Marty Tabnik
FO> Message-ID: <48aoba$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
FO> References: <48aiuf$l...@mailgate.bridgewater.ne.hcc.com>
FO> >What was the point of filming "The Adventures of Superman" or
FO> > "The Lone Ranger" in color, back in the 50's?
FO> The reason those program were filmed in color were to help
FO> the sales of Color TV.
That would be true IFF the producers were owned by a company
that either BROADCAST in color or sold color TVs.
Since they weren't,
You're wrong AGAIN, Ford!
[Why do you persist in parading your ignorance here?]
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Jay Denebeim
Jeffrey Kaplan <gor...@tiac.net> wrote:
> Re: the showing at cons: At a con, don't you have to pay admission
> to enter the thing? Therefor, admission was charged for the
> showing(s) of any show/production at the con.
Generally speaking, no. You can get into the movie rooms just walking
off the street to most cons. This is to avoid copyright problems.
Stew Barnes
In article <hummelDI...@netcom.com>, hum...@netcom.com (Franklin
Hummel) wrote:
> You are -paying- admission to the con, which is why showing those
> B5 FF episodes (which was -part- of of the convention's programing and thus
> part of what you were paying for) was a problem.
>
> I remember at one point a group of students wanted to show a whole
> bunch of 1st season B5 episodes at their on-campus planetarium and JMS
> saying there was no problem as long as no admission was charged.
IIRC, JMS stated that HE would have no problem with it. Technically,
Robert Holland
>> The whole thing of showing videos at convention's is somewhat of
>>a gray area and one I am not totally clear on as far as the full legalities.
>>The real-world results does seem to be it is illegal, but seems to escape
>>action mostly because it isn't worth the studios bother (as long as you do
>>not inform them of it). At least, this has been my experience from being
>>on a number of convention committees over the past 15 years.
>
>your core audience??? Stupid, stupid, stupid...
Should a core audience deserve less restrictive copyright laws than
the rest of us? Why?
I somehow doubt the core audience is anything less than forgiving.
Warner dropped a ton of bricks on you and yet you bounced
right back. No damage done. No copyright law violated, right Jay?
As to why Warner would prevent your showing of their product is
a rather simple concept. Your business (FF con) is using the
product of another (WB) to generate revenue. That source wants their
fair share of the take. And rightly so--it is WB who is taking
the financial risk in producing Babylon 5.
Warner probably figures your convention business is making enough
money from their loyal audience already, no need to give away the
product when you can buy it on tape in stores in the UK.
--RH
Thomas m Brizendine
>
> >Excuse me, I have to go. I have 55 hrs and as many minutes before the
> >"A Day in the Strife" airs in my area; I need to get ready.
> >
> >David Hines
>
>
>
> John "waiting for Saturday" Staats
>
AH Phooey to to the both of you! Here we have to wait 'til Sunday
night at 9 o'clock. (Which is why we understand spoiler space)
TMB
Constantly dodging the spoilers
Kevin Pezzano
: AH Phooey to to the both of you! Here we have to wait 'til Sunday
: night at 9 o'clock. (Which is why we understand spoiler space)
Since your Organization is given as Huntsville, I'm assuming because of
the day and time that you watch it at the same place and time that I do
(yes, I'm trapped in this town too).
I don't mind the day and time so much as the fact that it's a Fox station
PTEN is on here...preemptions, aauuuggghhh!!!!
I feel better now...
Kevin
Robert Alpert
> to analyze "wayne's world". the movie was funny...you're generation just
Perhaps one day your generation (presumably college kids) will shift their
attention from "Wayne's World" long enough to learn how to spell... :-)
"Dood."
--
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alp...@netaxs.com
24 White Doves
throopw%sheol...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Wayne Throop) wrote:
*: Date: Saturday, November 18, 1995
*: Source: By Eric Mink, New York Daily News.
*: [...]
*: These are not exactly the qualities you look for in the military
*: leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much success,
*: a fragile intergalactic peace.
*: [...]
*
*An "intergalactic" peace? An "INTERGALACTIC" peace?
*Rather like saying that Andy Taylor and Barney Fife were
*"trying to maintain fragile international law and order".
Well.... think globally/act locally. :-)
You must have missed the episode where Aunt Bea was revealed to be an
undercover operative for Interpol gatering evidence against an
international terrorst called Floyd "The Barber."
The use of "intergalactic" for situations not involving multiple galaxies
is pretty common, especially on the news. I've head it used in reports
about NASA exploring the solar system. Look, journalists are not the
brightest people from what I saw in the two journalism courses I took in
college to fulfill a general education slot. There's a couple bright
spots, but, well....
*Sigh. WattaMaroon. Stringing words together without a clue.
You have just described the Art of Modern Journalism. :-)
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Francis A. Ney, Jr.
> *Sigh. WattaMaroon. Stringing words together without a clue.
>
> You have just described the Art of Modern Journalism. :-)
What you call the "Art of Modern Journalism" I call the reason for the
explosive growth of the internet and the reason why most, if not all,
newpapers are drowning in their own fecal waste.
End of rant.
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condition, like a milked cow, a sheared sheep, a plucked chicken, or a
slaughtered steer."
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Bob Pierce
>In article <48svim$1...@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com>,
>throopw%sheol...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>The use of "intergalactic" for situations not involving multiple galaxies
>is pretty common, especially on the news. I've head it used in reports
>about NASA exploring the solar system. Look, journalists are not the
>brightest people from what I saw in the two journalism courses I took in
>college to fulfill a general education slot. There's a couple bright
>spots, but, well....
>*Sigh. WattaMaroon. Stringing words together without a clue.
>You have just described the Art of Modern Journalism. :-)
Maybe it was a proofreading error. Is there such a thing as
intra-galactic?
(Actually, I'm just kidding. I agree with you. I heard another
review recently that described the different B5 alien races as coming
from different galaxies, rather than different parts of our own
galaxy. Oh, well....
-- Bob
The_Doge of St. Louis
(Malinda) wrote:
>for...@aol.com (FordaT) wrote:
[...]
>>The reason those program were filmed in color were to help the sales of
>>Color TV.
>
>It was also to make sales of the show easier when colour TV became
>standard.
>
>By your own argument - why isn't the filming of B5 in HDTV 16:9 format
>- in part to help sales of HDTV as well as making it future proof.
In fact, this is precisely what the show's producer, J. Michael
Straczynski, has given as one of the reasons it's being filmed in the 16:9
aspect ratio - to make it saleable in a possible HDTV and/or LaserDisk
market in the future. It may be a while before we see this here in the
USA, but in Europe and Japan it's much closer to reality.
Not that any of this matters for Mr. Thaxton, for whom the denial of
anything Straczynski says is a kind of religious obsession.
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Eric Pawtowski
>enter the thing? Therefor, admission was charged for the showing(s)
>of any show/production at the con.
>
admission to most con functions, but allowing anyone, if they've paid the
admission or not, into the video rooms. Normaly, the only people who
will know about the video rooms are people who are attending the con, but
technicaly, nobody is being charged to see the shows. This can only
be done at cons where the entrance to the video room is in an area
accessable to the public.
Eric
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Tudor Idris Lewis
> The gooey soft spot at the heart of the show is baby-faced Bruce
>Boxleitner, who stars as the guy running the place, Capt. John Sheridan.
>
> Hollywood seems unshakably convinced that Boxleitner is a credible
>action-adventure hero, despite the ample evidence to the contrary.
>
>authoritative as a campfire marshmallow (you'll excuse the multiple candy
>metaphors). These are not exactly the qualities you look for in the
>military leader of a space station trying to maintain, without much
>success, a fragile intergalactic peace.
First: Boxleitner may not be a "stereotypical" action-adventure hero. If
what you're looking for is a cookie-cutter screen hero then I can see the
point. I think Boxleitner's handling of the role goes a bit beyond,
however. The man is always smiling, but that smile hides something
deadly, someone who rarely backs down. This last weeks episode in which
Sheridan confronts the threatening man at the mass meeting he wanted so
much to avoid is a perfect example. There is something to be said about a
man who can be smiling, personable and threatening at the same time. I
think the character uses this trait to his advantage and it is an integral
part of who he is.
I think the reviewer hit on something without even knowing it :)
Cheers!
Tudor
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Patrick L. Nolan
: i thought the article was tasteful but i totally disagree with alot of
: points. my main frustration is similar to when i see siskel and ebert try
: to analyze "wayne's world". the movie was funny...you're generation just
: won't get it.
I won't criticize the spelling; someone else has dealt with that.
However, I must point out that Siskel and Ebert loved "Wayne's World."
I wouldn't have bothered to watch it if it hadn't been for their
recommendation.
Dirk A Loedding
bakin...@aol.com (BakingWomn) wrote:
[snip]
>I'm
>beginning to wonder if he would challenge JMS for saying the sky is blue.
Probably.
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Rukesh
: First: Boxleitner may not be a "stereotypical" action-adventure hero. If
: what you're looking for is a cookie-cutter screen hero then I can see the
: point. I think Boxleitner's handling of the role goes a bit beyond,
: however. The man is always smiling, but that smile hides something
: deadly, someone who rarely backs down. This last weeks episode in which
: Sheridan confronts the threatening man at the mass meeting he wanted so
: much to avoid is a perfect example. There is something to be said about a
: man who can be smiling, personable and threatening at the same time. I
: think the character uses this trait to his advantage and it is an integral
: part of who he is.
I think you're absolutely right. Boxlietner (or whatever) does a good
job of portraying a commander not wrapped up in the "I am in charge so I
must be distant and aloof from my crew" routine. The comparison to
Picard in ST:TNG is striking: it took Picard the entire length of the
series to be able to sit down and play poker with his crew. Sheridan on
the other hand manages to command respect without having to remain aloof,
and potentially threatening to his crew. I think it was the episode two
weeks ago in which he even took some ribbing from Garibaldi and Ivanova.
As cool as I think the ability to maintain that Picard-like level of
detatchment is, I think that in the end, the portray of a commanding
officer as a real person who cannot, in the end, refrain from forming
relationships/friendship with those around him is probably more realistic.
--
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Coke adds life where there isn't any...
I get my advice from the advertising world,
Treat me nice, party girl.
FordaT
In article <48j3da$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
bakin...@aol.com (BakingWomn) wrote:
[snip]
>I'm
>beginning to wonder if he would challenge JMS for saying the sky is blue.
:Probably.
I'll answer the question.
I'd want any statement he makes confirmed by at one independent sources
before I'll accept it as a fact.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
John Grosskurth
Good day
Ken King
>==========FordaT, 11/30/95==========
ignored long before now...why bother replying anymore??
Killfile, here we come...
>
>
>
>
>Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Ken King
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John Kramer
You sir are the biggest piece of SHIT the world has ever known.
It's because of the likes of you that this group will no longer have JMS
around.
Some of us liked what JMS had to say enjoyed his insite to the show &
really liked having his presence here.
Now because of you JMS has left RASTB5, I hope your happy it looks like
you have finally gotten what you wanted!
You have to be the most hated person on the Internet these days, I hope
your proud of your new title as KING ASSHOLE OF THE INTERNET along with
your friends the FULLERS!
And too quote JMS in one of his posts to you "FUCK OFF!"
Thomas m Brizendine
>
> >ju...@atl1.america.net (Dirk A Loedding)
>
> In article <48j3da$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> bakin...@aol.com (BakingWomn) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >I'm
> >beginning to wonder if he would challenge JMS for saying the sky is blue.
>
> :Probably.
>
>
> I'll answer the question.
>
> I'd want any statement he makes confirmed by at one independent sources
> before I'll accept it as a fact.
>
>
>
>
TMB
Children are better seen than heard. Too bad it doesn't apply when it's
realy needed.
John Kramer
> John Kramer <jkr...@compusci.com> rants:
>
>>Ford,
>
>>You sir are the biggest piece of SHIT the world has ever known.
>
>newsgroup,
>
>For the record I don't belong to it, I see these wonderful thrends when
>they are crossposted to rec.arts.sf.tv or one oft the trek newsgroups.
>
It's not a matter of style on the Babylon-5 Newsgroup. It's a matter of
my opinion of you and your actions. (Not to mention what you personally
have done to Usenet as a whole) So don't try to turn this into..."Oh,
he's calling me such & such how rude." because that's pure bullshit.
Yes, Ford this is a rant like you stated in your reply. As someone that
first started reading Usenet be because I liked Babylon-5 and heard that
JMS was present here I have the right to rant when the self rightous few
ruin things for the rest of us.
>
>>It's because of the likes of you that this group will no longer have JMS
>>around.
>
>Oh gee, I scared him off?
>
>That the biggest load of crap I've ever seen on the net. The only person
>responsible for him pulling this nonsense is JMS and no one else.
>
>
Yeah, like your constant flame bait had nothing to do with his decision
to leave.
>>Some of us liked what JMS had to say enjoyed his insite to the show &
>>really liked having his presence here.
>
>Like you can't reach him by E-Mail?
>
Reaching him by E-mail is not the point dumb ass, JMS I am sure doesn't
have the time to responed to indivdual email. He used to be able to
answer questions in an open forum to the benfit of all users.
>>Now because of you JMS has left RASTB5, I hope your happy it looks like
>>you have finally gotten what you wanted!
>
>>You have to be the most hated person on the Internet these days, I hope
>>your proud of your new title as KING ASSHOLE OF THE INTERNET along >with
>your friends the FULLERS!
>
>Based on what I've read in various newsgroups, Mr. Fuller seems to have an
>open and questioning mind, something you seem not to have.
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^Not to mention an all out lair.^
>
>>And too quote JMS in one of his posts to you "FUCK OFF!"
>
>
>And he accuses me and others of being abusive to him and fails to take
>notice of how his "Worshippers" conduct themselves.
>
>
>He's a class act all the way.
>
>
>
Yeah, that's right we all worship JMS mindlessly. "ALL HAIL JMS" (Yeah
Right!)
We enjoyed JMS's presence here, We enjoyed his notes about the show, but
because of you everyone on Usenet takes a loss.
You Suck Ford,
jkramer
Jay Denebeim
Ken King <Kennet...@daytonoh.attgis.com> wrote:
>YAWN...what a geek...I really can't believe this thread hasn't been
>ignored long before now...why bother replying anymore??
>
>Killfile, here we come...
Guys, just ignore them, don't even bother replying to them at all.
Just stick 'em in your killfile silently.
FordaT
without any changes or edits.
I leave it to the reader to make of it what you will.....
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
'BABYLON' DRIVE
BRUCE BOXLEITNER TRAVELS TO CYBERSPACE
Babylon 5 may not be winning television's space race, but you wouldn't
know it from its presence in the cybersphere. Besides the 27 websites
listed in Yahoo's online Internet guide (compared with Voyager's 13 and
Deep Space Nine's 17), the series--now in its third season--launched an
area on America Online in October chockful of downloadable photos, cast
bios, and bulletin boards. To try to explain, among other things, how
online support can be crucial for a struggling science-fiction show, we
spoke to Bruce Boxleitner, who stars as Babylon 5's Capt. John Sheridan.
--Erin Richter
On interacting with fans on Babylon 5's AOL site. Most of the fans seem to
be very concerned about where the story is going. We were astounded by the
numbers. I wish that we could raise the ratings, though. We need more
people writing in their views.
On how new technology has affected TV. No longer am I just reading Variety
or The Hollywood Reporter reviews. The public now gets on the Internet and
criticizes you too. It's a bit disconcerting, isn't it?
On how new technology has affected Babylon 5. We have a whole wall at our
studio devoted to [postings]. Every once in a while we get one that's a
little too critical, and we take it down. But they speak their minds, and
we're there to listen. When I replaced Michael O'Hare [Comdr. Jeffrey
Sinclair]--Omigod, there was a storm. I got mail at my home like it was my
fault, like I had personally put this man out of work.
On plans for a Babylon 5 movie. It's been rumored between the fourth and
fifth seasons. But we have to always wonder if we're going to be picked up
again. If people want to see a movie, then they better help us get better
ratings.
Transmitted: 11/27/95 6:47 PM (mm2303)
Paul S. Robin
posts under.. (sigh)
MediaWeek, Novemember 13 or 20, 1995 quotes officials from TNT, regarding
B5, as saying first season B5 episodes will begin running 1997.
This makes plenty of sense (to this media professional). This way TNT
will have a full three seasons to strip for daily syndication. (Presuming
that TNT will pick up seasons 2 and 3.) To strip a show for daily
consumption requires a minimum of 3 seasons.
This also makes it much simpler (and more likely) for TNT to pick up
productions rights for the show, should it not be re-newed for seasons 4
and 5. Turner himself has been quoted in many places saying he wants to
get into production for more weekly shows in addition to his made for TV
movies and mini-series projects.