Pledge ruling stands
JV
>Oh yes blame it on "God being removed
>from schools? as David Barton and others
>do. LOL
I have done some new work on this article regarding this subject of the
fundy view of the 60s.. Of course, it still has alot of potholes. Hell,
even whole sections of road are still out!..:-))
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Were the sixties really that special? Or was it really the 1950s that
were so different?
"We hear that the 1960s abrupty changed America from the Judeo-Christian
nation of traditions to one of sin and Godlessness. We hear that the
United States was okay until the USSC took prayer out of the schools.
"Everything has gone downhill since", say the religious conservatives.
According to them, all of today's problems supposedly flowed from the
day when prayer was taken out of the schools.
But is this really true? Was it all Mom, Apple Pie, God, and Country
before the sixties? Is this supported by American history? Of course it
isnt. Historical revisionism and naivete are easily exposed by the
record."
"The 1960s were no more than the latest chapter of a 9 century move away
from the 10 centuries of Christianity based sexual, cultural, and
intellectual repression. This began with the rebirth of humanism, both
religious and secular, in the high Medeival and the Renaissance of the
12th-14th centuries. For a great overview of the history of Western
intellectual thought check out the 90 short lectures at
http://www.historyguide.org "
"But lets look at the last couple of centuries. There is enough
information in the last 2 centuries to expose the fundamentalist myths
of the 1960s.
Almost everything that erupted in the 1960s proceeded at a slower pace
beginning in the early and middle 19th century, continued and sped up
until the stock market crashed in 1929. How similar were the past
periods regarding these issues of the sixties?"
"The social changes we see now started in the early 19th century with
suffragists and abolitionists and grew until the Crash of 1929, which
changed everyone's priorities. Both themes were revisited and expanded
themes of the late 1950s and the 1960s".
(Any input is much appreciated. This article will end up being exhaustve
and long. This is just a skeleton)
Continue at: The Myths of the 1960s---->>>>
THE MYTHS OF THE 1960s;
http://community-2.webtv.net/headbands/TheMythofthe1960s/
2 PEAS IN A POD: NAZIS & FUNDAMENTALISTS: THEIR BELIEFS ABOUT
HOMOSEXUALITY
http://community-2.webtv.net/headbands/NazisFundamentalism/
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THE MYTH-BUSTER PAGE; REFUTING COMMON BELIEFS
http://community-2.webtv.net/headbands/JVsMythBusterPage/
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The Great Constitution of the United States of America
Article. VI. Clause 3:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of
the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers,
both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by
Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test
shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust
under the United States.
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JV <head...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:15524-3E...@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net...
jal...@cox.net writes:
>Oh yes blame it on "God being removed
>from schools? as David Barton and others
>do. LOL
I have done some new work on this article regarding this subject of the
fundy view of the 60s.. Of course, it still has alot of potholes. Hell,
even whole sections of road are still out!..:-))
Go to the history of the pledge and just when the phrase "under God" was
included. This flap about the "separation of church and state" is just a
strawdog created by the lawyers and activists to support themselves. The
great number of people on either side donating time and money are just
useful idiots providing blood meals to these parasites.
jal...@cox.net
>:|Go to the history of the pledge and just when the phrase "under God" was
>:|included. This flap about the "separation of church and state" is just a
>:|strawdog created by the lawyers and activists to support themselves. The
>:|great number of people on either side donating time and money are just
>:|useful idiots providing blood meals to these parasites.
>:|
Your unsubstantiated claim is noted.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary. If you're going to
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irrefutable proof to back up such a claim. "Where's the beef?" Where's
the extraordinary proof for these extraordinary claims? If one is not
responding with extraordinary, *factual* proof, then the claim is not worth
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The Pledge of Allegiance: A Short History
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd5.htm#pledge
The Pledge
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/pledge1.htm
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PART II
[You read the following and try and tell me, with a straight face that
there was no intent to endorse religion, counter "atheism/communism" and
indoctrinate the children of American, in particular in religion. and only
one religion at that.]
APPENDIX II
SELECTED EXCERPTS FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD Circa 1954
(Abridged version of Original Complaint, Appendix B)
"Without. these words, ... the pledge ignores a definitive factor
in the American way of life and that. factor is belief in God. ,33
"An atheistic American .,. is a contradiction in terms."33
"[T]he American way of life is ... `a way of life that sees man as
a sentient being created by God and seeking to know His will, whose soul is
restless till he rests in God. "33
"[T]he fundamental basis of our Government is the recognition that
all lawful authority stems from Almighty God. "34
"The pledge of allegiance should be proclaimed in the spirit ...
reeogni[zing] God as the Creator of mankind, and the ultimate source both
of the rights of man and of the powers of government."35
"Certainly, in these days of great challenge to America, one can
hardly think of a more inspiring symbolic deed than for America to reaffirm
its faith in divine providence." 36
"What better training for our youngsters could there be than to
have them, each time they pledge allegiance to Old Glory, reassert their
belief, like that of their fathers and their fathers before them, in the
all-present, all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful Creator.36
"[l]n times like these when Godless communism is the greatest peril
this Nation faces, it becomes more necessary than ever to avow our faith in
God and to affirm the recognition that. the core of our strength comes from
Him," 37
"Hence it is fitting that those two profoundly meaningful words
"under God" should be included in the pledge of allegiance so that we and
our children, who recite the pledge far more often than adults, may be
reminded that spiritual strength derived from God is the source of all
human liberty. "37
"[The] principles of the worthwhileness of the individual human
being are meaningless unless there exists a Supreme Being."38
"He is the God, undivided by creed, to whom we look, in the final
analysis, for the well-being of our Nation. Therefore, when we make our
pledge to the flag I believe it fitting that we recognize by words what our
faith has always been. "39
[It is a] fundamental truth ... that a government deriving its
powers from the consent of the governed must look to God for divine
leadership."40
"We are asking that only two words be added to the Pledge of
Allegiance, but they are very significant words"41
[T]he Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag which stands for the United
States of America should recognize the Creator who we really believe is in
control of the destinies of this great Republic."41
"It is true that under the Constitution no power is lodged anywhere
to establish a religion. This is not an attempt to establish a religion; it
has nothing to do with anything of that kind. It relates to belief in God,
in whom we sincerely repose our trust."41
"Appropriations and expenditures for defense will be of value only
if the God under whom we live believes that we are in the right. We should
at all times recognize God's province over the lives of our people and over
this great Nation."41
"[The Pledge] is not only a pledge of words but also of belief."41
"[B]elief in God is part of our very lives. "41
"The United States is one of the outstanding nations of the world
standing foursquare on the principle that God governs the affairs of
men."42
[I]t is well that when the pledge of allegiance to the flag is made
by every loyal citizen and by the schoolchildren of America., there should
be embodied in the pledge our allegiance and faith in Almighty God. The
addition of the words `under God' will accomplish this purpose." 42
[W]hen Francis Bellamy wrote this stirring pledge, the pall of
atheism had not yet spread its hateful shadow over the world, and almost
everyone acknowledged the dominion of Almighty God."43
"Now that pagan philosophies have been introduced by the Soviet
Union, there is a necessity for reaffirming belief in God."44
"I appear here today in support of any and all bills that would
serve to recognize the power and universality of God in our pledge of
allegiance."45
"The significant. import of our action today ... is that we are
officially recognizing once again this Nation's adherence to our belief in
a. divine spirit., and that henceforth millions of our citizens will be
acknowledging this belief every time they pledge allegiance to our flag.
"46
"How fitting that we here today should take action to once more
affirm our belief in ... the guidance of a divine spirit." 46
"Once again we are proclaiming to the world that ... the flag which
flies over our land is a symbol of a nation and of a people under God. "46
"[T]his measure is more than one of passing importance. It goes to
the very fundamentals of life and creation. It recognizes that all things
which we have in the way of life, liberty, constitutional government, and
rights of man are held by us under the divine benediction of the Almighty.
There is a hope and a hereafter in these two words and they, of course,
should be included in the pledge of allegiance to Old Glory."47
"One thing separates free peoples of the Western World from the
rabid Communist, and this one thing is a belief in God. In adding this one
phrase to our pledge of allegiance to our flag, we in effect declare openly
that we denounce the pagan doctrine of communism and declare `under God' in
favor of free government and a free world."47
"Fortify our youth in their allegiance to the flag by their
dedication to `one nation under God. "48
"Regaining our reverence for God we in America in this 2(P century
can rediscover our own value and the solid basis on which it rests."49
"The first sentence of section 7 of the joint resolution (36 U.
S.C. sec. 172), as amended, `one Nation indivisible under God,' is a
realistic recognition of the theological and philosophical truth - the
existence of a Supreme Being."50
"Faith in God ... has never been misplaced. House Joint Resolution
243 is a proclamation to all the world and to ourselves, ever to keep us
mindful and prayerful, that the United States of America is in truth and in
the acknowledged fact, a 'Nation under God. "51
"[The joint resolution] seems to have struck a note of universal
approval, indicating an underlying acknowledgement of our indebtedness to
God and our dependence upon Him."52
"At this moment of our history the principles underlying our
American Government and the American way of life are under attack by a
system that does not believe in God. A system that denies the existence of
God.52
"Thus, the inclusion of God in our pledge of allegiance rightly and
most appropriately acknowledges the dependence of our people and our
Government upon that divinity that. rules over the destinies of nations as
well as individuals.52
"The God of nations who helped in bringing to a successful
conclusion the war of independence, has never ceased to control the destiny
of this great Nations, and I trust He never will."52
"[O]ne of the greatest differences between the free world and the
Communists [is] a belief in God. The spiritual bankruptcy of the Communists
is one of our strongest. weapons in the struggle for men's minds and this
resolution gives us a new means of using that weapon."52
"The use of the phrase `under God' in the pledge of allegiance to
the flag sets forth in a mere two words, but, very strong and meaningful
words, the fundamental faith and belief of America in the overruling
providence of God and our dependence at all times upon Him."52
"The recitation of this acknowledgement that God is the foundation
of our Nation will be of incalculable value, all through the years, of ever
keeping vividly before our people, including our children who from earliest
childhood, pledge their allegiance to the flag, that the real source of our
strength in the future, as in the past, is God. "52
[T]he Government and people of America have recognized the
necessity of doing the will of God as we see it, and of relying for our
strength and welfare on the protection of His divine providence."53
"[W]e wish now, with no ambiguity or reservation, to place
ourselves under the rule and care of God."53
"We Members of Congress ... felt and acted on the popular urge to
give expression to the conviction that our deliberations should be publicly
and tangibly submitted to the guidance of God."53
"[W]e do well to once more publicly and officially affirm our
faith."54
"[Q]ur citizenship is of no real value to us unless our hearts
speak in accord with our lips: and unless we can open our souls before God
and before Him conscientiously say, `I am an American."55
"The amendment to the pledge of allegiance to the flag, by
inserting the words `under God,' is a. simple device by which we can
verbally proclaim our intense desire to continue this land as `one Nation,
under God, indivrisible. "°55
"I believe it to be of great importance that we as a Nation
recognize a higher power than ourselves in the guidance of our existence.
This joint resolution recognizes that we believe there is a Divine Power,
and that we, our children, and our children's children should always
recognize it."56
"I believe we should trust in God and we should recognize that God
is guiding our destiny and the hopes and aspirations of this Nation."56
"It is so fitting that we declare to the world, in our position as
leader among the sister nations of the earth, our dependence upon Almighty
God. "57
"I am proud to have been associated with this effort that produced
this legislation which recognizes the importance of divine guidance in our
national affairs."58
"We see the pledge, as It. now stands, as a formal declaration of our duty
to serve God and our firm reliance, now as in 1776, on the protection of
divine providence. "59
"To put the words `under God' on millions of lips is like running
up the believer's flag as the witness of a great nation's faith."60
"From this day forward, the millions of our school children will
daily proclaim in every city and town, every village anal rural
schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our people to the
Almighty."61
"It is my belief that an extensive circulation of these printed
copies of the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag will imprint, indelibly,
upon the minds of those who read them, whether they be young or old, that
their great Nation, these United States, exists and endures purposefully
`Under God."62
"Today we express ... our national dependence upon almighty God by
pledging, as a nation, our allegiance to the Stars and Stripes. ''63
"[T]he need now is for the Christian ideas to neutralize the
preponderance of material know-how . ... We cannot afford to capitulate to
the atheistic philosophies of godless men - we must strive to ever remind
the world that this great Nation has been endowed by a creator."63
"If we have no rights under God, then America has noWurpose of
existence. For America is all that she is simply because she recognizes our
rights under God.64
"The further men move from God and His principles, the worse it
will be for America."64
"Our people without God would be a people reading the death warrant
to real American freedom."64
"[The] right to profess God-given principles, to practice God-given
commandments, and to live Godordered lives ... is America and will always
be America. There is no other pattern of life that can bear this
trademark."64
"It is time that we really be neighbors in the Christian sense,
that we live as neighbors, and have trust one for the other. This is the
American way; this is God's way."64
"Only God-fearing men can guarantee to America her greatness, her
survival, and her continued blessings."64
"As these words are repeated, `one Nation, under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all,' we are reminded not only of our
dependence upon God but likewise the assurance of security that can be ours
through reliance upon God."65
"These words, `under God,' ... can be taken as evidence of our
faith in that divine source of strength that has meant and always will mean
so much to us as a nation."65
"Let us never forget that recognition of God by this and the other
nations of the free world will mean victory and security against the forces
of evil that deny God. May we, as a nation under God, ever recognize Him as
the source of our refuge and strength."65
[O]n June 1 4, Flag Day, 1954, the President signed into law House
Joint Resolution 243, which added to the pledge of allegiance to the flag
of the United States the compelling and meaningful words `under God."66
"`Under God' in the pledge of allegiance to the flag expresses,
aptly and forcefully, a grateful nation's attitude of dependence upon
Almighty God. "66
"For under God this Nation lives."66
"These principles of the worthwhileness of the individual human
being are meaningless unless there exists a. Supreme Being."66
"Indeed, the one fundamental issue which is the unbridgeable gap
between America and Communist Russia is belief in Almighty God."66
"Fortify our youth in their allegiance to the flag by their
dedication to one nation under God."66
FOOTNOTES:
33. 100 Cong. Rec. 2, 1700 (Feb. 12, 1954) (Statement of Rep. Louis
C. Rabaut, sponsor of the House resolution to insert the words "under God'
into the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance)
34. 100 Cong. Rec. 17 (Appendix), A2515-A2516 (Apr. 1, 1954)
(Statement of Rep. Louis C. Rabaut, sponsor of the House resolution to
insert the words "under God" into the previously secular Pledge of
Allegiance)
35. 10)0 Cong. Rec. 4, 5069 (Apr. 13, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Peter W. Rodino, Jr. in support of the resolution to insert the words
"under God" into the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance)
36. 100 Cong. Rec. 5, 5915 (May 4, 1954) (Statement of Sen.
Alexander Wiley in support of Sen. Ferguson's resolution to insert the
words "under God" into the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance)
37. 100 Cong. Rec. 5, 5915 (May 4, 1954) (Mlilwaukee Sentinel
editorial printed in the Congressional Record - with the unanimous consent
of the Senate - as requested by Sen. Alexander Wiley in support of Sen.
Ferguson's resolution to insert the words "under God" into the previously
secular Pledge of Allegiance)
38. 100 ) Cong. Rec. 5, 6077-6078 (May 5, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Louis C. Rabaut, sponsor of the House resolution to insert the words "under
God" into the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance)
39. 100 Cong. Rec. 5, 6085 (May 5, 1954) (Statement of Rep. Francis
E. Dom, supporting passage of House Joint Resolution 502 which sought to
insert the words "under God" into the previously secular Pledge of
Allegiance)
40. S. Rep. No. 1287, 83"' Cong., 2d Sess. 2, reprinted in 100
Cong. Rec. 5, 6231 (May 10, 1954) (Letter of Sen. Homer Ferguson, sponsor
of the Senate resolution to insert the words "under God" into the
previously secular Pledge of Allegiance, to Sen. William Langer, Chairman
of the Senate Judiciary Committee, March 10, 1954)
41. 100 Cong. Rec. 5, 6348 (May 11, 1954) (Sen. Homer Ferguson's
explanation of the joint resolution to insert the words "under God" into
the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance, to Sen. William Langer,
Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, March 10, 1954
42. 100 Cong. Rec. 5, 6919 (May 20, 1954) (Rep. Homer D. Angell's
remarks on the joint resolution to insert the words "under God" into the
previously secular Pledge of Allegiance)
43. 100 Cong. Rec. 18 (Appendix), A3448 (May 11, 1954) (Letter
entered into the record by Rep. George H. Fallon. This was "[p]assed
without a single dissenting vote, and later adopted by the DAR., the Flag
House Association, the VFW, the DAV, sections of the American Legion ...
,incorporated in the pledge at the `I Am An American Day' ... etc., etc.")
44. Cong. Rec. 18 (Appendix), A4066 (May 24, 1954) (Newspaper
article from the Malden (Ivlass.) Press of May 13, 1954, entered into the
record by Rep. Angler L. Goodwin.)
45. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7590-7591 (June 2, 1954) (Rep. John R.
Pillion's statement provided on May 5, 1954 to Subcommittee No. 5 of the
House Committee on the Judiciary.)
46. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7757 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Oliver P. Bolton in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.,)
47. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7758 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Brooks in support. of the joint resolution to amend the previously secular
Pledge.)
48. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7759 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep. Louis
C. Rabaut in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.)
49. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7759 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Charles G. Oakman in support of the joint resolution to amend the
preciously secular Pledge.)
50. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7760 (June 7, 1954) (Letter written by the
Chairman of the Department of Political Science at the University of
Detroit, placed into the record by Rep. Brooks in support of the joint
resolution to amend the previously secular Pledge.)
51. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7761-7762 (June 7, 1954) (Statement. of Rep.
Barratt O'Hara in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.)
52. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7762-7763 (June 7, 195.1) (Statement. of Rep.
Wolverton in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.)
53 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7763-7764 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Peter W. Rodino, Jr. in support of the joint resolution to amend the
previously secular Pledge. Amazingly, included in this statement were the
words "I am firmly of the opinion that our Founding Fathers ... meant to
prevent . .. any provision of law that could raise one form of religion to
a position of preference over others." )
54. 100 Cong. Rec, 6, 7764 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep. Oliver
P. Bolton in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.)
55. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7765-7766 (June 7, 1954) (Statement of Rep.
Hugh J. Addonizio in support of the joint resolution to amend the
previously secular Pledge.)
56. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7833-7834 (June 8, 1954) (Statement of Sen.
Homer Ferguson in support of the joint resolution to amend the previously
secular Pledge.)
57. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7935 (June 9, 19'54) (Letter from Rep. Louis
C. Rabaut to President Eisenhower, informing him of the passage in Congress
of the joint resolution to amend the previously secular Pledge.)
58. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 7989 (June 10, 1954) (Statement. of Rep.
Charles G. Oakman recounting the passage of the joint resolution to amend
the previously secular Pledge.)
59 100 Cong. Rec. 7, 8563 (June 22, 1954) (Statement of Sen. Burke,
submitting a resolution to provide for printing of the now sectarian Pledge
as a Senate document. Sen, Burke also noted that the resolution adding
"under God" to the previously secular Pledge "had been passed by House and
Senate with no opposition.")
60. 100 Cong. Ree. 7, 8617-8618 (June 2'2, 1954) (Statement of Sen.
Homer Ferguson, reviewing the meaning of the new law that added "under God"
to the previously secular Pledge, and recapping the events of that first
Flag Day celebration with the new Pledge.)
61. 1 00 Cong. Rec. 7, 8618 (,June 22, 1954) (Statement by
President Dwight D. Eisenhower, as reported by Sen. Ferguson.)
62` 100 Cong. Rec. 7, 8893 (June 24, 1954) (Statement of Rep. Louis
C. Rabaut submitting a resolution to provide for printing of the now
sectarian Pledge as a House document.)
63. 100 Cong. Rec. 6, 8156 (June 14, 1955) (Rep. Louis C. Rabaut's
statement during the 1955 Flag Day ceremonies.)
64. 101 Cong. Rec. 18 (Appendix), A5920 A592l (Aug. 2, 1955)
(Article submitted by Rep. Louis C. Rabaut, sponsor of the House resolution
to insert the words "under God" into the previously secular Pledge.)
65. 100 Cong. Rec. 11, 14918-14919 (Aug. 17, 1954) (Remarks of Rep.
Wolverton entitled "One Nation Under God.")
66. 100 Cong. Ree. 12, 15828-158'29 (Aug. 20, 1954) (Remarks of
Rep. Louis C. Rabaut, sponsor of the House resolution placing the words
"under God" into the previously secular Pledge.)
Plaintiff/Appellant's Response to the Petitions for Rehearing and Rehearing
En Banc filled by the State and Federal Defendants, Respectfully submitted,
December 16, 2002, Michael Newdow, Plaintiff/Appellant, First Amendmist
Church of True Science, Appendix II
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