deb marsh a molester?
No_Molesters
he still running around free? He claims that his boyfriend Harry Shuster was
sexually abused as a boy, and that it turns them on and sexually excites them.
When they are having sex they like to play that Debs is sexually abusing little
Harry all over again. That is perverted.
Debs claims he is a post-op transsexual. What proof is there of this? Has
anyone ever met him? For all we know, he could be just another crossdresser who
loves his dick like Larry Blake.
It seems to me this Deb Marsh character is nothing but a liar, cheater,
molester, fraud that cannot, should not, be trusted by anyone.
Sickos like that should not be allowed on this board.
rach...@tgforum.com
<nomol...@no.molesting.no> in
<g6iuqt06g6kjjb0spvitfuhotan3j8mfmv@xcessmailer> via
<!news.alt.net!> wrote:
<snip actionable verbiage>
Are you a registered sex offender? Just curious. :)
Rachelle
Deb Marsh
news:OUuvOz1KOiyXLV...@4ax.com...
We all know who this is though - don't we?
The sad disintegration continues - and it is sad really.
Debs
te...@softhome.net
>
> "No_Molesters" <nomol...@no.molesting.no> wrote
>
> <snip> something sick.
>
> I would suggest that everyone ignore this lowlife. there is no point in
> killfiling him because he will simply change his ID again. He wants
> responses.........please don't feed him.
Oh! Jeez, I thought it was the kick off of The Unlimited North Dakota's
new "Got Kevlar?" ad campaign.
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Willow will fill you in."
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rach...@tgforum.com
<DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> in
<9onl57$ddq$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> wrote:
*I* am now doing as Elaine suggests. There's a collective sea-change
transpiring that's more or less conscious to all of us. But here and
now the challenge of living a normal life isn't just a challenge for
us anymore. To a large extent, our experience is shared by many more
people than was the case two weeks ago.
Being normal people when faced with the inexplicably. . . vexatious is
the goal.
Howling in a typhoon, dancing in an earthquake, exposing ones naked
heart to hyperborean gales, ones brain to the baking sun. . . (and the
next time I experience a seismic event, I *will* do a little
tap-dance. I've only "been in" one. :)
But. . . connecting with natural forces arising from the depths,
rather than being buoyed and uplifted by their naturally denser and
impenetrable nature perhaps anchors us, perhaps acknowledges something
essential - but at some point humanity does distinguish itself from
its own basis, which become collective and thus impersonal.
And I see that as somehow essentially feminine, to be unabashedly
connected with the most obscure secrets of "human nature" and yet to
also be wholistically human. . . it seems to be a tension that can't
be resolved, but simply as it were cherished for what it is and
continually held in tension.
Rachelle
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"Human being is at the same time a transitive condition and static
state whose paradoxical frozen motion insists on representing the
conflicted relationship of seemingly incommensurable subjective and
objective factors. Just as the symbol-bearing qualities of language
seem sacred, so also the imagistic smearing or blending of experience
extended backward into memory and projected forward into time seems a
priori, an immutable universal precondition that purports to define
both being and humanity by excluding that which is seemingly silent,
without perceptible precedent, and lacking in relevance to the future.
Similarly, just as authority of experience is imposed upon the
subject, symbolic authority superimposes and blends the mythical and
the hypothetical with the experiential, bounding and binding subject
to object and object to subject in a relationship whose liminality is
at once made possible and limited."
---from "The Middle Book"
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Nicole Hamilton
> We all know who this is though - don't we?
If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
internet right now.
Nicki
Deb Marsh
news:9onpp...@enews2.newsguy.com...
Nicki, I wouldn't believe Diane if she said that it got dark at night.
Her history precedes her and her tactics and her targets are all too
predictable.
Debs
Nicole Hamilton
> Nicki, I wouldn't believe Diane if she said that it got dark at night.
Okay, but to make accusations on the basis of absolutely zero evidence is
hardly different than just exactly what you're complaining about. In any
event, the point is that this is Usenet. It's not like there aren't =lots=
of kooks and troublemakers to choose from at any given moment.
Nicki
Natasha Thompson
> It has been discussed here that
This is really inappropriate. Would you work out your
incest survivors trauma in a constructive way instead
of making false accusations?
> Sickos like that should not be allowed on this board.
You should get some help rather than posting such
sick garbage here. Please get some help.
Natasha
rach...@tgforum.com
in <c50vqt08obpgrgki3...@news.region.net> wrote:
>Maybe so... but now we are all thinking you are covering for
Wrong (please pardon my bluntness, Laura) - blatant energy feeding is
usually preceded by a little warm-up, a little softening-up, and
that's been absent in this case.
I feel the jury is out?
Please, please note a pattern here. *One post* has already engendered
*eight more.*
Consider staying frosty. Consider taking Nicole's words at exactly
face value, and waiting to see what develops. . . and I *know* how
that goes against the grain! :)
Rachelle
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:
> > We all know who this is though - don't we?
>
> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
> internet right now.
For what it's worth...
I suspect it isn't Diane as well. It doesn't "fit."
There are a couiple other names that come to mind, but it requires
thinking around corners, and putting aside the obvious.
Cheers,
Gwen Smith
--
. .
/\\//\ Gwendolyn Ann Smith * Community Host, Trans Gazebo
> () < Board Member, GEA * Columnist, Bay Area Reporter
\/()\/ Webmistress, SCCatl * Webmistress, Gender.org
"I want this to be a harmony of voices" - Lauren D. Wilson
**Posts may not reflect the views of the above organizations
te...@softhome.net
I'm on the Internet right now for a one dollar bill from
David's Coffehouse in Hillcrest.
Versatile thing, communication.
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Deb Marsh
news:%kMr7.28503$6c5.1...@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com...
> I'm on the Internet right now for a one dollar bill from
> David's Coffehouse in Hillcrest.
Have a cream doughnut for me whilst ya there - ok 8-)
Debs
Nicole Hamilton
> Maybe so... but now we are all thinking you are covering for Diane.
It's probably a waste of time to say this, but I am not "covering" for
Diane, merely pointing out that I have personal knowledge (in those specific
cases where I do have some) that accusations that Diane has done something
are wrong.
> You appear to have found a really convenient way of winding
> up on people's shit lists.
When merely telling the truth (including reporting that Diane has been
mugged at knifepoint) lands you on someone's shit list, I'd say that's one
shit list made up by a shithead.
Nicki
te...@softhome.net
Shroom and Onion Quiche, and the One True Drug today....
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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like pranayama, no purgative like pranayama.
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Dani
> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
> internet right now.
>
I'm sorry. I really hope she's okay.
Dani
cindY
sockpuppet on Altopia.
Diane Lask, fka Richard Elliot Lask is *not* a stand-up kinda guy. He
is however, a sour shit.
cindY
And her dog ate her microprocessor, I'll bet. Is this the best you
can do for your drug addicted mental case of a target?
Pitty Diane "Richard Elliot" Lask is not a stand up guy.
>
cindY
<gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote:
>In article <9onpp...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Nicole Hamilton
><hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:
>
>> > We all know who this is though - don't we?
>>
>> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
>> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
>> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
>> internet right now.
>
>For what it's worth...
>
>I suspect it isn't Diane as well. It doesn't "fit."
>
>There are a couiple other names that come to mind, but it requires
>thinking around corners, and putting aside the obvious.
Isn't that special.
Stephe Thayer
>
> And her dog ate her microprocessor, I'll bet.
Weirder things have happened. I had a crown fall out the other day, set it
on the table next to my computer and =My dog ate it=!!!!
I don't believe Diane could survive a DAY without being on line.
--
Stephe
Loree Thomas
It doesn't go against my grain at all. I believe Nicole completely. That
doesn't mean Diane isn't the poster in question.
It's an alt.net post and alt.net is accessible from any machine connected to
the internet. So even if she was 100% honest with Nicole, she could still
have gone to the public library, work, a friends house or an internet cafe
and posted that screed.
Is Diane devious enough to use Nicole (without her knowledge) to establish
an alibi? Of course she is... but is that what happened? I don't know and
I don't think there is any way to know.
I'm betting that whether Diane is the Author or not, she quotes or post a
Google link to that message before the end of October.
Any takers?
Hugs,
Loree
Anna
news:c2Ur7.1719$OV1.4...@news.uswest.net...
Hi,
You all forgive me if this is a dumb question. I'm new here, I've only been
lurking for a few weeks.
Some people seem to be saying that the post everyone is replying to is a
bogus post because it's from alt.net. What is alt.net? Also, how can you
tell? I looked at the headers and couldnt find any indication that that's
where the post came from. How can you all tell?
Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I thought
when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know, silly
me, please don't laugh too hard.
Anyway, thanks.
Anna
te...@softhome.net
Wombat!
Sweetie, there are more friends here than you can point a Mark VII
flamethrower at, and _many_ of us COOK. Curry is my thing, but my meat
loaf is pretty good (it's my beloved's recipe), and _all_ of the things
I do to eggs run counter the the Geneva Accords.
This group has merely been under attack by demons, and, well, if you've
ever fought demons, you know how techy it makes you.
Don't you fret, you're welcome, and your words will get read...and, if
you are engaging, your message will get replied to...or warped and the
resultant straw armadillo will be replied to.
Wombat!
Warp? Engage? Never mind.
Wombat!
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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-- B. Baggins.
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Worried
This is very serious. Have you contacted the authorities?
People like that need to be put away. We must protect our children.
Denise D
> Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I thought
> when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know, silly
> me, please don't laugh too hard.
>
> Anyway, thanks.
>
> Anna
Hi Anna,
I'm new here too and I am kind of sad to see this going on here. I need support
and I don't find all these "jokes" very funny at all. At least I see there are a
few people here who seem like they're nice. I just found this place and I have
so many questions I don't know where to start, but now I'm worried about sharing
my concerns with people who go for the throat so easily. There were more than
1500 messages waiting when I joined and after a couple hundred I was sad. If
there weren't so many nice people here I'd just leave.
Sorry to start off complaining!
Deee
Deb Marsh
news:ktUr7.4016$ev2....@www.newsranger.com...
> People like that need to be put away. >
Well, there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg,
bacon and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon, sausage and spam;
spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam, sausage, spam, spam, spam,
bacon, spam, tomato and spam; spam, spam, spam, egg and spam; (Vikings start
singing in background) spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans,
spam, spam, spam and spam.
Golly!
news:OUuvOz1KOiyXLV...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:53:14 +0200, No_Molesters
> <nomol...@no.molesting.no> in
> <g6iuqt06g6kjjb0spvitfuhotan3j8mfmv@xcessmailer> via
> <!news.alt.net!> wrote:
>
> <snip actionable verbiage>
>
> Are you a registered sex offender? Just curious. :)
>
Talking to Debs?
Golly!
news:WsUr7.29655$6c5.1...@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com...
You forgot to tell her that besides cooking you also like to impersonate a
transsexual on usenet.
And wear rubber. <g>
D a#344
wrote:
>
>"No_Molesters" <nomol...@no.molesting.no> wrote
>
><snip> something sick.
>
>I would suggest that everyone ignore this lowlife. there is no point in
>killfiling him because he will simply change his ID again. He wants
>responses.........please don't feed him.
>
ITs Brandon "Daedra"Orr again, Same posting style, same tired
attacks and same hatred of anyone who has surgery.,
Hes a sick fuck, it took forever to wash him out of our groups/
Dana
a#344
Anna
Is this a support group, or a shrink's waiting room?
"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote in message
news:he90rtstclatpn1qf...@news.region.net...
> Replying to article: <NdUr7.15495$2H2.1...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>
> Posted: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:41 -0400
> Written by: "Anna" <no-...@mail.com>
>
>
> >Some people seem to be saying that the post everyone is replying to is a
> >bogus post because it's from alt.net.
>
> Naaa, it's not about alt.net... it's about a long term abuser who just
can't
> be gotten rid of.
>
>
> >Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things.
>
> Naaa, it's not about fighting... it's about a long term abuser who just
> can't be gotten rid of.
>
>
> >I thought
> >when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's.
>
> Naaa, it's not about TSs... it's about a long term abuser who just can't
be
> gotten rid of.
>
>
> If you get my drift <G>...
>
>
>
> -----
> Laura Blake
>
> http://niagara.region.net/~ldblake
> -----
Anna
news:RI%r7.16077$Hx1.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "Denise D" <dda...@slymail.net> wrote
> > Anna wrote:
> >
> > > Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I
> thought
> > > when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know,
> silly
> > > me, please don't laugh too hard.
>
> >
> > I'm new here too and I am kind of sad to see this going on here. I need
> support
> > and I don't find all these "jokes" very funny at all. At least I see
there
> are a
> > few people here who seem like they're nice. I just found this place and
I
> have
> > so many questions I don't know where to start, but now I'm worried about
> sharing
> > my concerns with people who go for the throat so easily. There were more
> than
> > 1500 messages waiting when I joined and after a couple hundred I was
sad.
> If
> > there weren't so many nice people here I'd just leave.
> >
> > Sorry to start off complaining!
>
>
> Please try to overlook all the conflict. There really are supportive
people
> here. Just ask for help or information and see what happens. :)
Thanks Elaine. But I've been lurking here on an off for a while now and
even the people who are so called "supportive" seem to go off now and then
too. I can't understand it, but then I also don't have all day to sift
through hundreds of messages to understand what each one's psychological
kinks are and what sets each one off. Somehow my little old brain tells me
there's got to be an easier way. So off I go to find it. :)
Anna
te...@softhome.net
> even the people who are so called "supportive" seem to go off now and then
> too. I can't understand it, but then I also don't have all day to sift
> through hundreds of messages to understand what each one's psychological
> kinks are and what sets each one off. Somehow my little old brain tells me
> there's got to be an easier way. So off I go to find it. :)
>
> Anna
Good luck then, Anna. As a support group, (or any group of human beings)
we are much more like a family, albeit a sometimes subfunctional one, than
we are a Wal-Mart. "Support" isn't available off the rack here, if it
is anywhere. Rather, what _is_ available here are many willing listeners,
and a rich variety of viewpoints and life-experiences. Granted, to get
the most out of people, you kinda need to get to know them.
So, may the wind be at your back, and if you decide to hang out, while
we can't promise solutions, we can promise company of the most intriguing
and wierdest kind:).
Sometimes, making new friends can substitute for solutions, and turns
out the be better than the OEM.
Love,
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Theoni Srith is one of the Hackers in E Minor from Oh, Yeah.
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Christine Beatty
intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
leather!
Christine
--
Christine Beatty
http://www.glamazon.net
te...@softhome.net
> And let me say here and now that Theoni is one of the sweetest, most
> intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
> leather!
>
> Christine
Well...let's say that I try to maintain good intent, control my temper,
and learn from my mistakes. To date, I've occasionally achieved phase 1.
But I'm not dead yet.
But you're a love, and no mistake:).
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Use old words: feed the racial memory.
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te...@softhome.net
>
> "Christine Beatty" <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote in message
> news:3BB686C2...@glamazonrocks.com...
>> And let me say here and now that Theoni is one of the sweetest, most
>> intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
>> leather!
>
> :-P
You've had more practice, and a modicum of paranormal help, if rumor is
to be believed. Gimmie _time_, gul.
Also, you have the unnatural aid to your irrestibility of latex
clothing...how many others here can make that claime (or have the
nerve to:)?
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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"Vampires are real, a lot of them live in Sunnydale,
Willow will fill you in."
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te...@softhome.net
>
>> to be believed. Gimmie _time_, gul.
>>
>> Also, you have the unnatural aid to your irrestibility of latex
>> clothing...how many others here can make that claime (or have the
>> nerve to:)?
>
>
> meow!!
NONONO, not meow, I'm _older_ than you are, I freely admit it. Look, I'm
so old, when I was in the Army, we didn't wear cammies. I'm SOOOO old,
when I was in 5th grade, I had a bad case of the 'flu, and the doctor made
a HOUSE CALL and gave me a shot.
You've just had more experience being publicly beautiful than I have.
You are post transition, had more estrogen for longer, and have more
practice being gracious to others. I was still arresting people when
you were practicing the sidelong glance.
Credit where credit is due.
Also, you do wear latex:).
te...@softhome.net
>
>>
>> NONONO, not meow, I'm _older_ than you are, I freely admit it. Look, I'm
>> so old, when I was in the Army, we didn't wear cammies. I'm SOOOO old,
>> when I was in 5th grade, I had a bad case of the 'flu, and the doctor made
>> a HOUSE CALL and gave me a shot.
>>
>> You've just had more experience being publicly beautiful than I have.
>> You are post transition, had more estrogen for longer, and have more
>> practice being gracious to others. I was still arresting people when
>> you were practicing the sidelong glance.
>>
>> Credit where credit is due.
>>
>> Also, you do wear latex:).
>
>
> Gracious is as gracious does, dearheart.
Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
(Pout).
Theoni
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Jerri
Christine Beatty
te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]
Christine Beatty
http://www.glamazon.net
te...@softhome.net
>
> te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
>> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
>
> Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
> So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]
Can we repeat the above, oh, maybe fifty times?
Canwe pleeze? Canwe?
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Christine Beatty
te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
>
> In the parking structure soc.support.transgendered Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> whispered:
> >
> > te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
> >> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
> >
> > Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
> > So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]
>
> Can we repeat the above, oh, maybe fifty times?
>
> Canwe pleeze? Canwe?
"No, it's too perilous."
"Just a little bit of peril?"
cindY
>In alt.support.srs Nicole Hamilton <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last
>> night. She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and
>> then having her only computer crash, both the day before.
>
>Karma?
>
Instant. Better get herself together,and join the human race.
Christine Beatty
If you define humanity by frailties, then Diane is more human than many
of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing insecurity and
more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't behave the way
she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are hopelessly
mentally ill.
cindY
What on earth do you think you are?
Your a superstar
Well how right you are!
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
On and on and on
Everyone
Instant Karma's gonna get you.
Christine Beatty
Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Christine Beatty
superb poetic justice!
her-f...@aol.com wrote:
How is this for a great idea:
Killing Osama bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him
prisoner
will only inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release.
Therefore, we should do neither.
Let the Special Forces, Seals, Green Berets, etc., covertly capture
him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly
perform
a complete sex change operation. Then return "her" to Afghanistan to
live
as a woman under the Taliban.
Christine Beatty
http://www.glamazon.net
te...@softhome.net
> In article <3BBCA6BC...@glamazonrocks.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote:
>
>> If you define humanity by frailties, then Diane is more human than
>> many of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing
>> insecurity and more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't
>> behave the way she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are
>> hopelessly mentally ill.
>
> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.
>
> One of them (anathema666) was sending me hate email as well as posting
> some of it here. I blocked anathama's entire ISP from sending email to
> michelle.org and postop.org because her ISP didn't think her accusations
> of child abuse and threats to tell the authorities constituted extortion.
>
> I would bet one of my pension checks that anathema is not Diane, but
> everyone here has equated the two.
>
> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.
>
> --Michelle
I'm proceeding from the policy that Diane has made common cause with
someone I knew in the early '90's named Joanne. You're right, she is
even less educated than Diane, and a -lot- more venal and money-hungry,
among various other qualities.
But they work together, and exchanged logins to better confuse the issue.
Some of "chrysalis" was obviously Diane, and some was from a much younger
and stupider mind.
But for all diplomatic purposes they are one nation.
Theoni
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--Joan Dale, "Miss America"
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Christine Beatty
>
> In article <3BBCA6BC...@glamazonrocks.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote:
>
> > many of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing
> > insecurity and more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't
> > behave the way she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are
> > hopelessly mentally ill.
>
> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.
Excuse me, Michelle, but the targets of these messages are aimed
directly at some of Diane's most favorite targets, Debs and Theoni.
Furthermore the phrasing, tone and punctuation match missives posted
under Diane's name. Finally, it seems like evry time Diane drops off the
radar screen we start getting flooded with these infantile, vitriolic
posts that go after Diane's "enemies." Just how much circumstantial
evidence do you need? I understand that you look up to Diane, but I
believe you're in denial if you think these aren't Diane's doing.
> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.
I don't think that *anybody* could have gone "way" beyond what Diane did
to Cindy and Debs. Don't minimize what she's done; it disrespects the
pain she's caused to those two women.
Deb Marsh
news:michelle-A8673E...@enews.newsguy.com...
> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.
For what it's worth......
Whether we are talking about Diane, Diane's sock puppets or just someone who
has adopted Diane's nasty inventions, in order to pursue the same puerile
vendetta against the same targets, makes no difference to me now.
Debs
Jennifer Usher
> >Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of
> >them, for that matter) are from Diane?
>
> Because she's spent 10 years developing a net-wide reputation as a first
> class fuckwit.
Based on that logic, you head the list of prime suspects.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-A8673E...@enews.newsguy.com...
> Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of
> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.
It has become, for some here, a sort of dogma, repeated over and over.
Several of us have tried to point out that this is not Diane's style. But
it has become an accepted "truth" to some.
> One of them (anathema666) was sending me hate email as well as posting
> some of it here. I blocked anathama's entire ISP from sending email to
> michelle.org and postop.org because her ISP didn't think her accusations
> of child abuse and threats to tell the authorities constituted extortion.
>
> I would bet one of my pension checks that anathema is not Diane, but
> everyone here has equated the two.
>
> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.
I agree.
--
Jennifer Usher
te...@softhome.net
> "Deb Marsh" <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth......
>>
>> Whether we are talking about Diane, Diane's sock puppets or just
>> someone who has adopted Diane's nasty inventions, in order to pursue
>> the same puerile vendetta against the same targets, makes no
>> difference to me now.
>
>
> The reason I pointed it out is that if it is someone in that third
> category, and everyone continues to blame Diane, it lets that person
> continue unchecked. One reason I think it is someone in that third
> category is that he or she doesn't limit themself to only the same
> targets, but has targetted people who Diane didn't.
> --Michelle
As did Diane Lask when her mind fell apart here. She began shotgunning
everything that moved. When she finally realized that she had no
followers, that the majority loathed and dispised her, that she could
never be "respectable" again, it produced personal collapse. Even then,
the "tone" in many of the Chrysalis messages was identical to the
over-the-top poster here, whom I identify as Joanne. They both worked
many sock-puppet logins alternatively, thinking this was a good way to
encypher their identities. (The hallmark of the amateur's sorties into
cryptography is that simple ploys produce unbreakable codes. They never
do, and they get read in seconds. Neither Joanne nor Diane are very
bright, which has contributed to their unhappiness in their careers of
trying to lie successfully to others.)
They are both whackos in the same sense, with many of the same handicaps
mentally and emotionally. It was likely Joanne who suggested the
login "Chrysalis", for two reasons: 1. She found it being used by an
innocent third party somewhere on the Web, upon whom she could blame
her misbehavior, and whom Diane could "out" to exculpate her cabal. 2.
"Chrysalis" was the name of my gender-support subboard on Chemin de
Guerre BBS from 1990-1994, where Joanne was a member. She ran repeated
attempts to lie to and scam my users, resulting in my banning her.
The word has meaning for her in her infantile revenge-universe, since
like Lask, she cannot accept responsibility for her misdeeds, ever.
She's produced too much shame in her life this year, something had
to give. The alternative would have been to realize what she was and
what her values and methods actually were and own them or change them.
Figure the odds of that. So she stayed with denial and blaming others
for her myriad failures. But she's reached the point where she can't
keep that level of denial up and stay functionally sane, and the result
is what we witnessed here.
You could play it all back from the archives, but it's not edifying.
It's kinda like going for a Sunday walk in a large metropolitain
mausoleum. If you do it, you'll likely get a severe headache.
Theoni
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- El Mystico & Janet.
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Deb Marsh
news:85murtgnltgadp6tr...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> you're still not a woman no matter what you
> choose to say about me. That's the bottom line Tom....people like me
> were woman so we changed sex..
What! So you became a man then?
Deb Marsh
news:slmurtkiftgp6f8kl...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> Stop being part of the problem.
It's only being so cheerful that keeps you going, ain't it 8-)
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"
Cheers,
Gwen Smith
. .
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> () < Board Member, GEA * Columnist, Bay Area Reporter
\/()\/ Webmistress, Gender.org * Comm. Host, Trans Gazebo
"I want this to be a harmony of voices" - Lauren D. Wilson
Deb Marsh
news:061020011317545660%gw...@gwensmith.comatose...
> In article <9pnnuv$rr$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Deb Marsh"
> <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Diane Lask" <di...@pachell.net> wrote in message
> > news:85murtgnltgadp6tr...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> >
> > > you're still not a woman no matter what you
> > > choose to say about me. That's the bottom line Tom....people like me
> > > were woman so we changed sex..
> >
> > What! So you became a man then?
>
> A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"
All the same thing to me, Gwen, same tactics, same targets, same silly shit
8-)
Whatever happened to originality - that's wot I want to know 8-)
Debs
Diane
<gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote:
>
>A curious trolling, no?
There's nothing curious about it Gwen.
And it's not a trolling....it's a statement of what I believe with
regard to Tom Laura and Debs.
Much more importantly though the posting contained 3 simple steps to
stopping all the crap that's been going on here as of late.....the
fact that the first few responses to my post completely ignored such
points is something I find delightfully ironic.
As with most problems, if the participants would simply look to
correcting their own behaviors instead of continually bemoaning the
ravings of silly trolls then there would be no problem.
The problem is not with the trolls per se - it with the idiots who
feel compelled to respond and comment about them.
Karen
She has posted with that Email munge before.
- karen
Karen
> http://www.tsroadmap.com/early/netstealth.html
>
> As always, Andrea has put up one of the most useful pages on this
> subject that I have seen so far. Follow that advice to a ....T
And it actually contains a warning about you!!!!
Actually you have been one of the bigest polarizing factors and trouble
makers here over teh years... You personally bear major responsibility
for the state of the newsgroups.
- karen
Gwendolyn Ann Smith
kaa-...@mediaone.net (Karen) wrote:
> > A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"
>
> She has posted with that Email munge before.
Ah - thanks. :-)
Christine Beatty
> As with most problems, if the participants would simply look to
> correcting their own behaviors instead of continually bemoaning the
> ravings of silly trolls then there would be no problem.
Do you mean behaviors like outing people and involving innocent third
parties and making chickensh*t veiled accusations of child molestation
and namecalling (i.e. "Batty" and "Vampshit") and all of your other
infantile ways? Stop trying to pass off yourself as a balanced or
reasonable person, nobody who's been here for more than a few
nanoseconds buys it for one minute.
> The problem is not with the trolls per se - it with the idiots who
> feel compelled to respond and comment about them.
As you respond and comment to anyone who disagrees with you?
Christine Beatty
>
> <G>
> Thank you for making my points so self-evident :) .
>
> Those looking for places where TS/TG issues are discussed rather then
> the personal problems of a few tortured souls are well advised to look
> into the moderated lists I posted earlier.
Do you mean abandon ship, rather than fix the leaks and toss out the
sociopath who keeps poking holes in the hull? There are few souls here
as tortured as yourself, Diane. Get help, seriously. alt.support.srs was
doing pretty well as a supportive forum until you jumped back onboard.
Deb Marsh
news:3BBF6EB8...@glamazonrocks.com...
> Do you mean behaviors like outing people and involving innocent third
> parties and making chickensh*t veiled accusations of child molestation
> and namecalling (i.e. "Batty" and "Vampshit") and all of your other
> infantile ways? Stop trying to pass off yourself as a balanced or
> reasonable person, nobody who's been here for more than a few
> nanoseconds buys it for one minute.
Just like old times, Christine, the moaning, groaning and the shedding of
festering body parts all over the place 8-) Yes, it's auntie Diane warning
us all about people just like her.
Bit strange really, she outs people - publishes their personal details in
public forums and goes in for a bit of character assassination on the side.
Then she goes quiet for a bit before <poof> reappearing as some sort of
missionary warning us all about people who out people - publish their
personal details in public forums and go in for a bit of character
assassination on the side.
A variety of perpetual motion - ya think?
Debs
Christine Beatty
Deb Marsh wrote:
>
> A variety of perpetual motion - ya think?
More likely, a variety of some arcane psych disorder. It's sad, really.
Deb Marsh
> Um, I'm sure that debs knows better than you do what Cindy's marital
> status is, and she evidently is comfortable with it. And I'm sure that
> she has no problem with Cindy's drug and pysch history either, and it
> appears that Cindy's family has no problem with her relationship with
> Debs. The key word is "history." What concern is it of anyone,
> especially those of us who read these newsgroups, other than themselves
> and those closest to them what their relationship is?
Careful, Michelle, introducing common sense into this discussion - whatever
next 8-)
Of course, this is just more of the usual prodding in an attempt to provoke
a response which she will then claim as supporting her shallow arguments.
Debs
te...@softhome.net
> te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
>
>> > The reason I pointed it out is that if it is someone in that third
>> > category, and everyone continues to blame Diane, it lets that person
>> > continue unchecked. One reason I think it is someone in that third
>> > category is that he or she doesn't limit themself to only the same
>> > targets, but has targetted people who Diane didn't.
>>
>
> did. The latter two are obviously the same person, as evidenced by its
> writing style--which is not the same as Diane's--and target list.
>
> As for this person being in league with Diane, that may be so; we have
> no evidence either way.
That is a judgement call, and you're making it who weren't here then.
Everyone has their own matrix for according Benefit of the Doubt,
and yours is different from most here with regard to Diane. This is
called diversity. We disagree. Not an issue, to me. She is my enemy,
when I notice her trying to hump my leg, and to pretend impartiality
is hypocrisy, which I judge to be beneath me. If we're both lucky,
we'll never meet. If she's very lucky, she'll never meet Cinders.
But if half of her agitprop can be strained for an ounce of truth, she's
due to get herself killed by some idjit in a bar for just being her.
This is called Nature.
No blame.
And no loss.
> Anyway, the attacks seem to have abated, if not ceased outright, in the
> past few days, so maybe the best thing to do is to just get on with our
> lives.
Diane's had herself banned from all Prodigy-associated ISP's. She'll be
back, but she'll find it harder and harder to continue to play litterbug
and King of the Hill here.
> Oh, I still think you owe Nicki a big apology for calling her a Nazi.
> You were out of line with that, just as you were out of line a few years
> aog when you called Cindy a Nazi.
My remarks, as I stated them and sans third party interpretations,
stand affirmed today and for the forseeable future.
I don't like hierarchical, exclusionary, overprivilaged fascistic
pricks, whose interpretation of womanhood is to become Suzy-Q clicquing
on the plain, but who has lost her gang leader and resents her present
impotence and lost status, and the one who brought it about. The fact
that she is _incapable_ of parsing what I said for meaning, of even
_considering_ that it _might_ be true, renders this a prima facie
exchange. That she accepted Diane's assertions without proof, simply
because she hates me and it gratified her thalamics, identifies her as
pre-scientific. I owe her precisely what I owe a nail that is protruding
above the floor decking but which I am not duty-bound to drive flat.
I understand that on the Symbolics LISP box, that was a complex data type.
Your mileage may vary. But I'm not about to pollute this group with an
ongoing conflict over it. She can live with my disapproval, or ponder
it and change herself, or choose to ignore the whole thing with the same
success with which I ignore her. This is called freedom. She has chosen
so far to stay away from me altogether. If I'm indigestible to _anybody_
hereon, I recommend her strategy to them as well.
The least sensible or productive course given our present Diane-free
idyl is to try to resurrect old arguments to which one was not a party.
A word in your ear.
Theoni
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I invited him over. The venue was mine, the subject was kissaki...and,
if I had anything to do with it, some huggafuge. But he didn't get the
point, kept asking about my hamon. The evening ground on like that.
I said I doubted I could get my lips over his tsuba, anyway.
"Life on the Edge: Musashi and Me" by Theoni Kallandra
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te...@softhome.net
No one will help her.
Theoni
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"Our consciousness elevates because there is much to task it."
-- Deb Marsh
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Diane
wrote:
>
>Naaaa.... just the inevitable consequence of letting the incurably insane
>own computers.
Speaking of the incurably insane....
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+subliminal+%22laura+blake%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=24&selm=37dd8acc.8396412%40news.sprint.ca
>Laura Blake said...
>The fact that Bennett's sweet seductions work better than Arons blatent
>bigotry should surprise nobody... It's being done to you on a subliminal
>level, one where the lies are put in place without going through the normal
>filters that would be triggered by a more direct approach like that used by
>Arons. Bennett's carefully worded defamation bypasses all your normal
>safeguards and gets planted directly into your subconscious.
>
Diane
wrote:
>We had a few days of
>pleasant conversation and comfortable discussion..
Speaking of pleasant conversation
Lacy Leigh said to Laura Blake on 9/30...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fuck+%22laura+blake%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=3BB7BBAE.FAAA5716%40geocities.com
>Laura,
>I've never said this to anyone before but you so richly deserve it.
>Go fuck yourself.
Laura Blake said to Paulnine on 9/13
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fuck+%22laura+blake%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=2&selm=HqXn7.2002%24RS3.1033283%40news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com
> Do the words "Fuck Off" mean anything to you?
> Laura Blake
Laura Blake said on 10/.5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22laura+blake%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=3&selm=WOjv7.3961%243i3.500523%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
>"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote in message
>> Because... you are not outraged by the behaviour of the assholes on this
>> newsgroup.
and laura blake said on 10/2
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22laura+blake%22&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=8&selm=Fbvu7.274%24K6.26945%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
>"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote in message
>> You don't know me or my views... in the entire 6 years I've been on this
>> newsgroup I've never once had the opportunity to discuss things openly or
>> fairly. Every time I try some fuckwit, like you, pops up and screams
>> "foul!" In the entire time I've been here I've yet to have even one
>> uninhibited conversation... not one. Were I to be given the opportunity to
>> discuss how I see things without you (and your idiot friends) attacking my
>> every word, you just might discover that the image of me created by Diane,
>> Julie and a number of others is just about 180 degrees out of phase with
>> reality.
Nice pleasent conversation there Larry Dennis Blake.
Diane
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>One of them (anathema666) was sending me hate email as well as posting
>some of it here. I blocked anathama's entire ISP from sending email to
>michelle.org and postop.org because her ISP didn't think her accusations
>of child abuse and threats to tell the authorities constituted extortion.
You may be happy to know that the ISP in question, zero knowledge
systems, announced that they are going tits-up come January. Zero
knowledge systems is based in Canada by the way.....
Their only saving grace was that they did allow you to block all email
from any of their senders.
I'm by nature in favor of anonymous posting services but experience
has shown that such services are widely abused by the most unstable
members of humanity.
Diane
> know that the ISP in question, zero knowledge
>systems, announced that they are going tits-up come January. Zero
>knowledge systems is based in Canada by the way.....
Small correction there....Zerio knowledge systems will cease it's ISP
anonymity service come Oct 22...the company itself will remain in
business in other areas.
cindY
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <slmurtkiftgp6f8kl...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> Diane <di...@pachell.net> wrote:
>
>> it's why Deb's can't understand why she chooses as a "true love" a
>> person who is married and raising two children (eight and five I
>> believe) and has a horrid history of continuing drug abuse and
>> psychological damage.
>
>Um, I'm sure that debs knows better than you do what Cindy's marital
>status is, and she evidently is comfortable with it. And I'm sure that
>she has no problem with Cindy's drug and pysch history either, and it
>appears that Cindy's family has no problem with her relationship with
>Debs. The key word is "history." What concern is it of anyone,
>especially those of us who read these newsgroups, other than themselves
>and those closest to them what their relationship is?
>
>--Michelle
>
>--
There is nothing scandalous about failure, about addiction, about
mental illness, about struggle, about overcoming.
It's no crime to be in pain.
There is nothing scandalous about love.
Those who find it so ought to try it some time. If they're able to.
}8-)
te...@softhome.net
> There is nothing scandalous about failure, about addiction, about
> mental illness, about struggle, about overcoming.
>
> It's no crime to be in pain.
>
> There is nothing scandalous about love.
>
> Those who find it so ought to try it some time. If they're able to.
>
> }8-)
Swoon <THUD>.
You design the patches, I'll sew the berets.
Theoni
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One Pot to rouse them all, One Pot to wake them
One Pot to scald them all, and by the shoulder shake them
In the land named Folgers of the bloodshot eye....
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cindY
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>Oh, I still think you owe Nicki a big apology for calling her a Nazi.
>You were out of line with that, just as you were out of line a few years
>aog when you called Cindy a Nazi.
The insult to me was something you took with strong and measured
response. A friend.
Since that time I have found a friend in Theoni.
Nicki has behaved like a Quisling for Diane's inhumanities.
Duck Soup.
cindY
>In the parking structure alt.support.srs cindY <c...@dy.net> whispered:
>> There is nothing scandalous about failure, about addiction, about
>> mental illness, about struggle, about overcoming.
>>
>> It's no crime to be in pain.
>>
>> There is nothing scandalous about love.
>>
>> Those who find it so ought to try it some time. If they're able to.
>>
>> }8-)
>
>Swoon <THUD>.
>
>You design the patches, I'll sew the berets.
<snicker;->
There is a species of wild dog in Africa. The most intelligent known,
they take down much larger prey with a certitude and efficiency that
can only be equated with the mechanical frenzy of The Pirhana.
When they get back to the lair, all who could not take part, those
nursing, those infirm, too old- everyone *shares* in the hunt's
bounty. And the interaction among those of the pack are as tender,
loving, and gentle as any species capable of interacting in such ways.
Life.
te...@softhome.net
> Duck Soup.
Animal Crackers!!
Theoni
te...@SoftHome.net
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Theoni Srith is one of the Hackers in E Minor from Oh, Yeah.
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te...@softhome.net
> they take down much larger prey with a certitude and efficiency that
> can only be equated with the mechanical frenzy of The Pirhana.
>
> When they get back to the lair, all who could not take part, those
> nursing, those infirm, too old- everyone *shares* in the hunt's
> bounty. And the interaction among those of the pack are as tender,
> loving, and gentle as any species capable of interacting in such ways.
>
> Life.
I think I met one of them on the Wild Thornberrys. They make cute
characatures, too.
Theoni
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Vootie!
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Diane
<vamp...@vampiress-au.net> wrote:
>
>..... and then start with the bullshit anon posts again - in an endeavour to
>show just how unsafe it is on usenet....
>Wooooooo.... I'm scared!
As I have repeatedly pointed out....it is the people who continually
respond to troll posts...such as yourself...that are as much to blame
for the sad state of affairs here as the trolls themselves.
Of course I do not expect you to agree with that...I merely point it
out to any lurkers who may be listening as a "for what it's worth".
>See ya at the airport, Diane? I'm sure you and I have a lot to discuss.
What makes you believe that you are important enough in my life for
me to desire to meet with you in any manner?
Stephe Thayer
>
> I'm by nature in favor of anonymous posting services but experience
> has shown that such services are widely abused by the most unstable
> members of humanity.
LOL
--
Stephe
/< (
news:JhKv7.90$M96.90...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:51:33 GMT, Christine Beatty
> <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote:
>
> >Diane wrote:
> >
> >> As with most problems, if the participants would simply look to
> >> correcting their own behaviors instead of continually bemoaning the
> >> ravings of silly trolls then there would be no problem.
> >
> >Do you mean behaviors like outing people and involving innocent third
> >parties and making chickensh*t veiled accusations of child molestation
> >and namecalling (i.e. "Batty" and "Vampshit") and all of your other
> >infantile ways? Stop trying to pass off yourself as a balanced or
> >reasonable person, nobody who's been here for more than a few
> >nanoseconds buys it for one minute.
>
> Thank you for making my points so self-evident :) .
>
> Those looking for places where TS/TG issues are discussed rather then
> the personal problems of a few tortured souls are well advised to look
> into the moderated lists I posted earlier.
You should re-read what Christine wrote again. You did engage in these
behaviors. You act-out, at will. All the while holding yourself as somehow
superior.
One of the core definitions of "mental illness" involves repeating
maladaptive behaviors without learning from them. Please seek an adjustment
on your medication, your therapy regimen, or just find a good hobby besides
trolling the good folk in these newsgroups with your vitriolic hate
messages. Perhaps you could learn to grow roses. I hear that's a very
beneficial use of time.
cindY
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <3bbfcdbd....@netnews.att.net>, c...@dy.net (cindY)
>wrote:
>
>> >Oh, I still think you owe Nicki a big apology for calling her a Nazi.
>> >You were out of line with that, just as you were out of line a few years
>> >aog when you called Cindy a Nazi.
>>
>> The insult to me was something you took with strong and measured
>> response. A friend.
>
>Thanks.
De nada. What is real is ever so.
>
>> Since that time I have found a friend in Theoni.
>
>*nod* If she had not apologized to you, though, would you and she be
>friends now?
Who knows.
>
>> Nicki has behaved like a Quisling for Diane's inhumanities.
>
>I wonder how strong Nicki's support of Diane would be had Theoni not
>called Nicki a Nazi. I'm sure that Nicki would still support Diane, but
>would it be as strong as it is.
>
>I wouldn't call her a Quisling, though; Diane is her friend.
While I admire loyalty, and I can understand blind reaction as a
basis for it, Nicki has tossed the very same crap at me that Diane
has.
Acting in concert, as far as I'm concerned. In fact, all this
nonsense in an attempt to shame me about what I've been through has
eminated signifigantly from Hamilton.
It's been inspiring, but not in the way that produces civil discourse.
/< (
> Replying to article: <eWJv7.83$pT4.85...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
> Posted: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:35:22 GMT
> Written by: Diane <di...@nowhere.com>
>
>
> >Much more importantly though the posting contained 3 simple steps to
> >stopping all the crap that's been going on here as of late.
>
of
> pleasant conversation and comfortable discussion... now here you are, once
> again, trying to fix something that's only broken when you are around.
>
> FUCK OFF!
Very well said. Short, and to the point.
cindY
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>When I started lurking here again earlier this month (or late last
>month), it seemed that the flames had abated, but it looks like they're
>springing up again.
Seems mostly directed at the lovely Diane.
>
>Maybe it would be best if none of you said anything about any of the
>others, and all of you ignored the sock puppets.
It still gives one the opportunity to point out and note The
Lask-Harris-Hingle Triangle of Banal Badassdom.
>
>Interestingly, though, despite the differences you all have, you all
>seem pretty much to be on concord about Laura Blake.
>
I don't think you've been reading this newsgroup extensively enough.
The *only* one who persistently attacks Laura is Diane Lask. And
judging by the behavior of certain post-ops who drift into sst I've
come to see certain elements of truth in her commentary. I've seen
Laura adapt as I've seen Diane degenerate. It's not so simple
anymore.
Jennifer Usher
> > It has become, for some here, a sort of dogma, repeated over and
> > over. Several of us have tried to point out that this is not Diane's
> > style. But it has become an accepted "truth" to some.
>
> Y'know, even though I disagree with them, it's hard to blame them for
> believing it.
Perhaps...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> In fact, all the crap had stopped until you came back. We had a few days
of
> pleasant conversation and comfortable discussion... now here you are, once
> again, trying to fix something that's only broken when you are around.
Give it a rest Laura, you've been flaming right on along.
--
Jennifer Usher
/< (
> Interestingly, though, despite the differences you all have, you all
> seem pretty much to be on concord about Laura Blake.
Laura's Laura. She's pretty even handed in the assistance she offers
others. I admire that she speaks her mind. There's never any back handed
betrayals with Laura. You know exactly where you stand with her. sans
accord a vous?
te...@softhome.net
D'accord. A brave woman and a major curmudgeon. An example for us all
who aspire to the Cult of the Raised Eyebrow.
Grr.
Theoni
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Diane
wrote:
>
>In fact I have not turned on you. There remains no hope of any future
>friendship after the BS you've dealt me, but I hold absolutely no animosity
>toward you at all.
Poor Larry....the entire world seems to have turned on him at one time
or another....
None of us believe what you say about Michelle either....
You've spent a great deal of time trying to erase your Google history
which I am very much amused by <g!>....
But you can't erase your past.....enough if us know what you are and
we will always be here to tell everybody else.
Deb Marsh
news:uJ1x7.6626$6m.950...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> But you can't erase your past.....enough if us know what you are and
> we will always be here to tell everybody else.
Now there's an idea with multiple applications <g>
Nicole Hamilton
> c...@dy.net (cindY) wrote:
> > > Oh, I still think you owe Nicki a big apology for calling her
> > > a Nazi. You were out of line with that, just as you were out
> > > of line a few years aog when you called Cindy a Nazi.
> > Nicki has behaved like a Quisling for Diane's inhumanities.
>
> Theoni not called Nicki a Nazi. I'm sure that Nicki would still
> support Diane, but would it be as strong as it is.
I never actually voiced an opinion on the merits per se of Diane's outing of
Theoni as an occasional crossdresser named Tom. What I consistently said
was that when someone goes around violating ordinary norms of civilized
behavior, poking sticks in people's eyes, e.g., by calling people Nazis, he
should expect that sooner or later, someone will respond in kind. Anyway,
it's not as if outings are all that uncommon here. Though I've never outed
anyone myself (as a matter of personal policy), I note that sooner or later
everyone posting here seems to get outed. Matter of fact, Cindy herself has
been busy outing Diane by her old name.
Anyway, so what if the world now knows that Tom is an occasional
crossdresser? The world knows I'm a transsexual and so far as I can tell,
it hardly matters.
The new claim I'm now a quisling strikes me as bizarre at best. A quisling
is a traitor. How Cindy concludes I'm a traitor is beyond me. Does she
imagine I owed Tom some kind of "loyalty" in return for his calling me a
Nazi??? It's a strange world Cindy lives in, I guess.
Nicki
Christine Beatty
Nicole Hamilton wrote:
> I never actually voiced an opinion on the merits per se of Diane's outing of
> Theoni
> Anyway, so what if the world now knows that Tom is an occasional
> crossdresser?
I imagine that Theoni does not appreciate you calling her "Tom" any more
than you would appreciate someone calling you "sir." If we can't respect
each other's identities then we're all in trouble.
Christine
Deb Marsh
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> Anyway, so what if the world now knows that Tom is an occasional
> crossdresser? The world knows I'm a transsexual and so far as I can tell,
> it hardly matters.
Interesting what you can do with a bit of spin. One can tout an opinion as
if it were fact. One can impose one's own understanding upon another's
expression. One can hold oneself up as an example of something which others
are not. And it's all spin really. You say that you are a transsexual but
that Theoni is not - that she is a "occasional crossdresser" but that you
are not a full-time version of the same thing, only with a few extra bells
and whistles. Why should this be believed then? Cos you say it? Cos some
folk will back you up in this assertion? What about those who back up
Theoni - they are all supposed to be wrong then? It's all spin really.
Debs
Nicole Hamilton
> I imagine that Theoni does not appreciate you calling her "Tom"
> any more than you would appreciate someone calling you "sir."
> If we can't respect each other's identities then we're all in trouble.
What Tom "appreciates" isn't one of my big worries, given we're talking
about a jerk who's still unrepentant about calling me a Nazi.
But that aside, there are some obvious differences: I am no longer legally
male (both by MA court order and by change in my MI birth certificate) and
thus not plausibly a "sir" anymore. Tom, otoh, really is a male and does
legally go by that name outside this little fantasy world of his in the
newsgroups.
Nicki
Christine Beatty
Nicole Hamilton wrote:
> What Tom "appreciates" isn't one of my big worries
That is readily apparent. however, whatever your differences, it would
be rather civilized to respect each others' names in this space. Don't
you think?
> But that aside, there are some obvious differences: I am no longer legally
> male (both by MA court order and by change in my MI birth certificate) and
> thus not plausibly a "sir" anymore.
Well, then don't move to Texas, Ma'am.
Christine
Diane
<DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>"Nicole Hamilton" <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote in message
>news:9qedh...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>
>> Anyway, so what if the world now knows that Tom is an occasional
>> crossdresser? The world knows I'm a transsexual and so far as I can tell,
>> it hardly matters.
>
>Interesting what you can do with a bit of spin. One can tout an opinion as
>if it were fact.
But it *is* a fact. Tom goes to work 5x10 as a man. He is not in
transition nor has ever been in transition in the 10-12 years he has
professed (to my knowledge) to be a TS. Tom does dress up after work
and on weekends. Thus one could reliably conclude that he is an
occasional crossdresser rather then a full time TG or TS.
>One can impose one's own understanding upon another's
>expression. One can hold oneself up as an example of something which others
>are not. And it's all spin really.
No - it's a fact.
>You say that you are a transsexual but
>that Theoni is not - that she is a "occasional crossdresser" but that you
>are not a full-time version of the same thing, only with a few extra bells
>and whistles. Why should this be believed then? Cos you say it? Cos some
>folk will back you up in this assertion?
No, because Nicole actually has had SRS where Tom has not even
changed his California driver's license.
>What about those who back up
>Theoni - they are all supposed to be wrong then?
Idiots would be a more accurate description then merely "wrong".
Deb Marsh
See what I mean?
Someone who has never met the object of their hate but who manages to turn a
baleful and bloodshot eye in the direction of this virtual victim and
pronounce upon their life, insight and understanding anyway.
Why, veritably unimpeachable, ain't ya. How could any of us manage to argue
with such perspicacity cos what you don't know about someone whom you've
never met just isn't worth knowing is it?
Yer having a laff here, ain't ya Tricky?
Diane
wrote:
>
>>But it *is* a fact. Tom goes to work 5x10 as a man.
>
>The only pertinent fact here, Diane, is that you are a bigoted fuckwit who
>takes a rather perverse pleasure in harming your own peers.
>
>Nobody with a lick of sense cares if Theoni is TS or CD, male or female, man
>or woman... what matters is that she at least tries to get along with the
>rest of us and sometimes has interesting points of view.
>
>YOU on the other hand are on a jihad, against your own peers. You are a
>terrorist. Those who do not meet your impossible standards of purity are
>attacked for establishing an impure colony within the bounds of your
>imagined holy realm of transsexual perfection.
>
>YOU Diane are the problem here... not Theoni.
Just wanted it put in the archives Laura... :)