The Cave
Edmond Wollmann
In one of his most famous writings, The Republic, Plato warns the
people of his time, and all future generations, that a true seeker of
the truth must deal with the fact that new discoveries will always
conflict uncomfortably with common sense. In what has come to be
called the "Allegory of the Cave" he asks us to imagine a race of
people imprisoned deep in a dark cave, all chained
together facing a wall of the cave. Behind them is a large fire and
another race of people moving about, such that shadows are cast on the
cave's walls.
The chained people do not realize that they are captives of the other
race. The only reality they have ever experienced is the shadows on
the wall. By observing the shadows carefully, they have been able to
recognize generalities in the movements of the shadows and have been
able to develop a practical science: They can predict what shadows
will appear at different times and
when food and water will become available, for example. Because their
science works; because there is a regularity to their experience,
there is little reason for them to believe that this science is false,
that what they are seeing is an illusion, an appearance only,
reflected from a more fundamental reality.
Suppose now that by accident one person escapes from the grip of his
chains enough to turn around and see for the first time what is
actually causing the shadows. His first reaction is uncertainty,
confusion, and fear. He quickly turns back to what is familiar. All
his life he has known only the shadows as real. He must be going
crazy. It must be a bad dream. He concludes that he must never turn
around again. Eventually though his natural curiosity becomes too much
to suppress and he turns around once more. This time, because he is
more familiar with the sight, he does not quickly turn back to the
shadows. He realizes that he has made a great discovery. With great
excitement he turns back to his companions, announces his discovery,
and attempts to get them to turn around. At first they laugh at him.
Then they reason with him, pointing out that the shadows are what
everyone knows to be real and practical. As he persists, they ignore
him, concluding that he has lost his mind. At first the force of this
community rejection causes him to doubt what he has experienced. Maybe
he is crazy But it seemed so real.
Eventually though he turns for the final time, and with the resolve of
an explorer, he frees himself completely from his chains and leaves
his people to investigate this new reality. He discovers that he is in
a cave, finds the passage out of the cave, and slowly and tentatively
makes his way out, eventually reaching the outside world. At first it
is too much to bear--so many new things, and the light of the Sun
blinds him. When he finally adjusts, he is overjoyed by this simple,
clear, beautiful new reality compared to the dim, confining reality of
the cave's shadows. He must share this discovery. So back into the
cave he goes to try once more to convince his former companions, most
likely to no avail.
"If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to
man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up till he sees all
things through the narrow chinks of his cavern."
William Blake
"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'universe,' limited
in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings
as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of
his consciousness. This delusion is a prison, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons close to us. Our
task must be to free ourselves from our
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all humanity
and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Cujo
news:de874437.03100...@posting.google.com:
> The Allegory of the Cave
Kudos to Edmo for coming up with the oldest screed I've seen on AA. Lack of
any original thought noted.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"I can see why you have difficulty understanding why I am a babe
magnet" - Edmo understates the facts.
a
Edmond Wollmann <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip garbage]
Edmond and the Metapsych Tree
Once upon a time there lived a mean, angry crow named Edmond.
One day, while flying in a new part of the forest, Edmond found
a tree he liked. Edmond named the tree the Metapsych tree.
Edmond decided that any birds perching in his Metapsych tree
would only be allowed to sing songs that Edmond liked.
Soon the other birds found Edmond's Metapsych tree, perched on
its branches, and began to sing songs. Edmond did not like the
other birds' songs. He tried to push the other birds out of the
Metapsych tree. But Edmond was not a very strong bird and even
the young, female sparrows easily resisted Edmond's pushing and
shoving.
Edmond began to sing his own songs as loudly as he could. He
sang his songs over and over. But the songs of the other birds
were much more interesting and pretty, so Edmond's songs were
ignored and mocked.
One day Edmond told the other birds that he was leaving the
forest forever. He hid under a pile of leaves at the edge of
the forest, close enough to the Metapsych tree to hear the other
birds' songs. But Edmond eventually flew back to the Metapsych
tree to try to silence the other birds.
Edmond became very angry. He began to hit his head on a rock.
"I will hit my head on this rock until you stop singing those
songs," Edmond warned the other birds. Some of the other birds
told Edmond that hitting his head on the rock would not stop the
birds from singing. But Edmond did not listen.
"I <bonk> WILL NEVER <ow> STOP!!!" crowed Edmond.
That was many years ago. Today, the birds still sing any song
they want to sing in the Metapsych tree. Edmond may still be
hitting his head against the rock, but none of the other birds
care.
--
"Yes, I am wise, and its wisdom born from my superior brain!"
-- Edmond Wollmann <Z1Qq6.120355$GV2.26...@typhoon.san.rr.com>
Richard Nolle
Thanks so much for re-posting this wonderful old fable!
-- Richard
Mr. 4X
news:de874437.03100...@posting.google.com:
> The Allegory of the Cave
>
> In one of his most famous writings, The Republic, Plato warns the
> people of his time, and all future generations, that a true seeker of
> the truth must deal with the fact that new discoveries will always
> conflict uncomfortably with common sense. In what haSLAP!
Your stuff is superstition, not new discovery.
Mr. 4X
Newsgroups:
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:56:15 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <Xns9409E9...@195.228.240.20>
References: <de874437.03100...@posting.google.com>
Azim...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message
news:de874437.03100...@posting.google.com:
> The Allegory of the Cave
>
> In one of his most famous writings, The Republic, Plato warns the
> people of his time, and all future generations, that a true seeker of
> the truth must deal with the fact that new discoveries will always
> conflict uncomfortably with common sense. In what haSLAP!
Your stuff is old superstition, not new discovery.
Mr. 4X
> The Allegory of the Cave
>
> In one of his most famous writings, The Republic, Plato warns the
> people of his time, and all future generations, that a true seeker of
> the truth must deal with the fact that new discoveries will always
Flash Bazbo
> The Allegory of the Cave
<snip>
The Allegory of the Panty
In one of his most famous escapades, The Panty, Wollmann warns the
people of his time, and all future generations, that a true seeker of
the truth must deal with the fact that kook behaviour will always
conflict uncomfortably with common sense. In what has come to be
called the "Allegory of the Panty" he asks us to imagine a race of
people living deep in a dark cave, all living together facing a wall of the
cave. Behind them is a large fire such that shadows are cast on the cave's
walls.
Suppose now that by drugs and a tragic auto accident as a teenager one
person escapes from the grip of his
sanity enough to grab a pair of Tweety Bird panties. His first reaction is
uncertainty, confusion, and fear. He quickly turns back to what is familiar.
All his life he has known only resentment towards women. He must be going
crazy. It must be a bad dream. He concludes that he must never touch panties
again. Eventually though his natural curiosity becomes too much to suppress
and he holds the panties once more. This time, because he is
overcome with Oedipal desires he places the panties on his head. He believes
that he has made a great discovery and will be lauded by his companions in
the cave. With great excitement he turns back to his companions, announces
his discovery, and attempts to get the positive reinforcment he has never
known. He does a little dance, then huffs himself up like a pidgeon in full
courtship display. At first they laugh at him. Then they reason with him,
pointing out that the shadows are what everyone knows to be more intelligent
and relevant than he. As he persists, they ignore him, concluding that he
has lost his mind. At first the force of this community rejection causes him
to doubt the value of what he has done. Maybe he is crazy But it seemed so
cool.
Eventually though he dons the panties for the final time and, with the
resolve of an idiot, he frees himself completely from his chains of sanity
and leaves his people to build a castle in the desert wastelands of New
Mexico. He discovers that without neighbors to point out his erratic
behavior he can indulge his adolescent fantasies and feverish mysogyny far
from prying eyes. At first it is too much to bear--so many new thongs, and
the heat of the Sun baking his already clam-like brain. When he finally
adjusts, he is overjoyed by this simple, dusty, kooky new reality compared
to sanity. He must share this discovery. Others must agree that he is a
Christ figure to be adored and obeyed. So back into the cave he goes to try
once more to convert his former companions and this time they will
pay....oh, yes...THE BITCHES WILL PAY!
Cujo
Wollmann's shameless in defeat
His accounts are all dead meat
And the books of the powerless have been trashed
And the kook that we laugh at
Has been beaten with a bat
We deride and the Kook's complaints are smashed
He'll tip food stamps to all the parking valets
Get laughed at for the rest of his days
Let's all ignore as the sad fucking clown
Picks up his food stamps and brays
Out-of-integrity!
We should get on our knees and pray
Ed never posts again
Ed's strange, he has no guts
Thinks women are all sluts
He is liberated from a job, that's all
And his world looks just the same
His reality ain't changed
'Cause the complaints, they are sent reapeatedly
He'll tip food stamps to all the parking valets
Get laughed at for the rest of his days
Let's all ignore as the sad fucking clown
Picks up his food stamps and brays
Out-of-integrity!
We should get on our knees and pray
Ed never posts again
Dodo!
He'll write reviews, post with fake names
People laugh at it, it's just too lame
He'll respond with lawsuits, what a dickbag guy
We all know that the self-realized never lie
Does he?
Nope!
There's keyboards in the air
Get a new one, he don't care
He can always use a sock, anytime
And Ed's sock from one account
Agrees with Eddie everytime
Is it any wonder we all think Ed is slime
He'll tip food stamps to all the parking valets
Get laughed at for the rest of his days
Let's all ignore as the sad fucking clown
Picks up his food stamps and brays
Out-of-integrity!
We should get on our knees and pray
Ed never posts again
Please never post again, no, no !
Yeah
Meet the new Kook
Farts like the old Kook
------------------------
And the flip side of the next chart smasher!
------------------------
(to the tune of...Gad! Figure it out already, dammit.)
I am Wollmann, hear me whine
Though I've always lacked a spine
I'm powerless and out of integrity
‘Cause I’ve been a goddam boor
And all you spinics are such whores
No one’s ever gonna take me serious again
Whoa, yes, I can whine
But it’s whining so insane
Yes, I’ve mooched for things
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I will do anything (Anything)
I am weak, (Weak!), I am ineffectual (Ineffectual!), I am Wollmann
You can bend and it will break me
And it only serves to make me
More determined to hide my bankruptcies
And I come back even weaker
And my prospects so much bleaker
‘Cause you’ve described the convictions in my past
Whoa, yes, I can whine
But it’s whining so insane
Yes, I’ve mooched for things
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I will do anything (Anything)
I am weak, (Weak!), I am ineffectual (Ineffectual!), I am Wollmann
I am Wollmann, and it blows
See me crying, but you know
I'm filtered from abuse desks 'cross the land
But I’m still an fucking schmo
With a long, long way to go
Until my accounts are completely banned
Whoa, yes, I can whine
But it’s whining so insane
Yes, I’ve mooched for things
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I will do anything (Anything)
I am weak, (Weak!), I am ineffectual (Ineffectual!), I am Wollmann
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"Supernews is going to lose their posting priviledges if I have
anything to do with it." - Ed the Powerless.
Spámster
Cujo wrote:
Sub-freakin-scribe!
Wally Anglesea™
<paran...@flagship1.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>Thank you for the repost, Ed. It has been interesting.
Do your parents know they brought up an idiot?
--
Lt. General, Fanatic Legions.
Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
Admiral & Mrs Flagship of the Paranormal
"Wally AngleseaT" <wang...@spbigpondammersareparasites.net.au> wrote in
message news:8vhunvoe3rkujk797...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:10:31 -0400, Flagship1 of the Paranormal
> <paran...@flagship1.com> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >
> >Thank you for the repost, Ed. It has been interesting.
>
> Do your parents know they brought up an idiot?
We just think of him as our "special" little boy. We do wish he'd get a
girlfriend, though. We've had to cut off access to our computer when he
visits home because between the paranormal and porn sites and that horrid
Kettler individual, the keyboard is getting just too hard to keep clean.
Mom
Somewhere in the Sea of Tranquility
Wally Anglesea™
Paranormal" <twor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" <wang...@spbigpondammersareparasites.net.au> wrote in
>message news:8vhunvoe3rkujk797...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:10:31 -0400, Flagship1 of the Paranormal
>> <paran...@flagship1.com> wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> >
>> >Thank you for the repost, Ed. It has been interesting.
>>
>> Do your parents know they brought up an idiot?
>
>We just think of him as our "special" little boy. We do wish he'd get a
>girlfriend, though. We've had to cut off access to our computer when he
>visits home because between the paranormal and porn sites and that horrid
>Kettler individual, the keyboard is getting just too hard to keep clean.
>
>Mom
>Somewhere in the Sea of Tranquility
ROFL
Larry Huntley
alt.paranormal:
>
> "Wally AngleseaT" <wang...@spbigpondammersareparasites.net.au> wrote in
> message news:8vhunvoe3rkujk797...@4ax.com...
>>
>
> We just think of him as our "special" little boy. We do wish he'd get a
> girlfriend, though. We've had to cut off access to our computer when he
> visits home because between the paranormal and porn sites and that horrid
> Kettler individual, the keyboard is getting just too hard to keep clean.
Wait just a minute there, "Mrs Flagship of the Paranormal". Seems to
me you should be "Mrs Flagship1 of the Paranormal". I suspect a hoax.
I'll have to do more research concerning this. Then I'll post my con-
clusions to the group.
Bate your breaths in anticipation now.
- L
--
Larry Huntley Beaverton, Oregon
Skep-Ti-Cult® Member #130-978649-969 http://www.skepticult.org/
"Skepticult subculture -- the dark underbelly of Usenet" (Jade_Dragon)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Thomas Edison inventor of direct currant"
- Flagship1 of the Paranormal, 9 Sep 2003
Pedantus
"Flagship1 of the Paranormal" <paran...@flagship1.com> wrote in message
news:3F7F4557...@flagship1.com...
> Re: The Cave
>
> Flagship1 of the Paranormal - Posting to Usenet since July-15-1997.
>
> "Sometimes trolls take writings out of context or write pure lies
> about people just to get them baited into flame-wars. You do not
> have to address each and every lie that they make. Don't feed them!"
>
Anything can be negotiated...:)
"[..] 12 You shall eat it as a barley-cake, baking it in their sight on
human dung.
13 The LORD said, "Thus shall the people of Israel eat their bread, unclean,
among the nations to which I will drive them."
14 Then I said, "Ah Lord God! I have never defiled myself; from my youth up
until now I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by animals, nor
has carrion flesh come into my mouth."
15 Then he said to me, "See, I will let you have cow's dung instead of human
dung, on which you may prepare your bread." [..]"
Dan Pressnell
http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
Dan
"Edmond Wollmann" <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:de874437.03100...@posting.google.com...
Jefrey Jupiter
<dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>
>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>
>Dan
SPANK!!!1!!!
>
>"Edmond Wollmann" <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:de874437.03100...@posting.google.com...
>> The Allegory of the Cave
>>
>> In one of his most famous writings, The Republic, Plato warns the
Snip plagarism.
>> Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
>> © 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
>> Astrological Consulting http://www.astrsultoconing.com/
>> Articles http://www.astrnfoocong.com/FAsultinQs/i.htm
>> Artworks http://www.e-wnnht.com/TOollmaC.m
>
You are completely without integrity.
Wally Anglesea™
<dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>
>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
Oh, don't tell me Ed is plagiarising AGAIN????
--
Kali
posted Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:27:32 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
says...
:On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:41:23 GMT, "Dan Pressnell"
:<dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
:>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
:>
:>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
:
:Oh, don't tell me Ed is plagiarising AGAIN????
What a shocker, eh?
Kali
--
Ed Multimeta lie:
"I have never lied on usenet."
<bee40070.03092...@posting.google.com>
Wally Anglesea™
<bobofficers...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:41:23 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Dan Pressnell"
><dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>>
>>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>
>Oh, My gosh....
>
>Find for "Common Sense and Reality: the Allegory of the Cave"
>
>Surprise, Eddy theft is discovered again....
>
>Cujo, order up some Crab Wontons for Dan Presnell
>
>Eddy has been caught again....
>
>Cakewalk time, Eh Eddy?
Ya know what's funny? Ed doesn't know how easy it is to discover
plagiarism, and HE JUST WON'T LEARN.
>And Eddy has the nerve to copyright?
>
>
>
>What a Maroon!
>
>
>Spank!
Cujo
news:MPG.19ea63269...@news.west.earthlink.net:
> In article <9l61ovo3ocdpdh9di...@4ax.com>,
> posted Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:27:32 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
> says...
>
>:On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:41:23 GMT, "Dan Pressnell"
>:<dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:
>:>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>:>
>:>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>:
>:Oh, don't tell me Ed is plagiarising AGAIN????
>
> What a shocker, eh?
What a thieving scumbag. Maybe he'll claim he found it in a dumpster.
"The dump is a good place too." -Edmond Wollmann, keeping his options
open for a future place for storing his unsold books.
Wally Anglesea™
<bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>Did Eddy turn this in as work toward his degrees?
He wouldn't be that stupid.
(sigh) Yes he would. KInd of like Turdi, another plagiarist. Where is
he by the way?
Mithrandir
seem to be unable to combine the formulas we derive from our observations of
the universe into one single image. Experimenting with the shadows on the
wall, we fail to realise that what lies beneath (or behind) may be something
completly different....
-----------------------------------------------------------
"I've been waiting, I've been watching, in the shadows....." - The Rasmus
;-)
John Ingram
> Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
Professor Pine is the original creator of the text below.
Mr. Wollmann is the thieving dumbfuck asshole who illegally slapped his
own copyright notice on it!
HTH!
el...@no.spam
Bob Officer <Ihat...@no-domain.no.mail@no-net> wrote:
>The question is did he turn this in for "school work?"
Would you be surprised if he did?
Dan Pressnell
reason you haven't responded to this is simply that you didn't see it.
Because you missed the question, I'll ask it again.
What is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
Thank you for explaining this very weird occurrance in these groups,
which are concerned with weird things.
Dan
"Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<7e0gb.71565$eS5....@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
Kali
posted 09 Oct 2003 17:32:07 GMT, House Widdershins says...
:X-No-Archive: Yes.
:On 9 Oct 2003 09:52:53 -0700, dan_pr...@yahoo.com (Dan Pressnell)
:wrote:
:
:>Mr. Wollman, since you write so much of integrity, I'm sure that the
:>reason you haven't responded to this is simply that you didn't see it.
:>
:>Because you missed the question, I'll ask it again.
:>
:>What is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
:>
:>Thank you for explaining this very weird occurrance in these groups,
:>which are concerned with weird things.
:>
:>Dan
:>
:>
:>"Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<7e0gb.71565$eS5....@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
:>> Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
:>>
:>> http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
:>>
:>> Dan
:
:A Prediction. Eddieeeeeee will do one of the following:
:
:He will ignore your request.
:
:He will answer with a non-sequitur rant which will contain
:the word "integrity", but will not truly answer your question.
:
:He will send a powerless complaint to the Usenet admins, along
:with a copy to your ISP (as if that's going to do anything).
:
:He will have a glorious meltdown.
:
:Remember, you read it here first.
:
:
:
:
:Widdershins
:
:Post Scriptum. Wouldn't it be fun to have professor Pine's comments?
:
:
:I have not lied on usenet at all.
:
:
:Eddieeeeeee, liar.
I agree with your predictions. But any bets on which
copy/pasted quotations he'll use in place of original
thought?
Kali
--
The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier
to write with. - Marty Feldman
Jefrey Jupiter
wrote:
>The Allegory of the Cave
>
>In one of his most famous writings,
Snip plagarism. Why do you run away to your hovel when your lack of
integrity is demonstrated? Have you run out of devastating
rejoinders, such as in <3435A1...@aznet.net>...
>You haven't posted anything but bullshit-the difference between me and
>you idiots is that I can get in a bar brawl (I was a hoodlum biker for
>years) down a 5th of Tequlia, kick the fuck out of you, talk like
>this-AND STILL post something of value, counsel persons and meditate on
>nature, and do a piece of art to find center. You see I've been there
>done that-I CHOOSE to do this now.
>Why not take a shot at the intellectual side once in a while-we've the
>seen the ignoramus part?
C'mon, Edmo. We're anxiously awaiting more kookfarts like this. Why
must you run away like a frightened little dog when your obvious lack
of integrity is exposed?
>Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.G.
>© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
>Astrological Consulting http://www.astroc.con/
>Articles http://www.astr.con/FUQs/info.htm
>Fartworks http://www.e-.con/TIC.htm
Edmond Wollmann
> http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
> Dan
Sorry it took so long to answer the infants, but _*I*_ actually have a
life. To answer you spinic--
None. I got my version from a professor at SDSU, so either HE
plagiarized it, or it is so well copied in the email exchanges that he
forgot where he got it not unlike I almost did. I went and looked at
it, it is the same version. I never did know where mine came from,
because it was sent to me without a reference, or else was forwarded
and someone else cut out the original author. I never claimed this was
my writing. But I still have the email from the professor at SDSU who
sent it to me for a course in education in Greek philosophy.
Guess you'll have to chastise them:-))) and Kali abd Bob officer will
have to call the authorities on Noel Tyl too, because he has been
professing to be a counselor and psychological astrologer for 35 years
now.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You spinics, never ending OCD with spinning others, and all it gets
you is wasted time and your own defective and negative thinking
exposed.
"I came into this world for judgment so that those who do not see may
see, and those who do see may become blind.
The Pharisees near him heard this and said to him, "Surely we are not
blind are we?" And he said to them, "If you were blind, you would have
no sin. But now that you say, 'We see,'your sin remains." John 39-41
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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Edmond Wollmann
> http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
> Dan
Sorry it took so long to answer the infants, but _*I*_ actually have a
life. To answer you spinic--
None. I got my version from a professor at SDSU, so either HE
plagiarized it, or it is so well copied in the email exchanges that he
forgot where he got it not unlike I almost did. I went and looked at
it, it is the same version. I never did know where mine came from,
because it was sent to me without a reference, or else was forwarded
and someone else cut out the original author. I never claimed this was
my writing. But I still have the email from the professor at SDSU who
sent it to me for a course in education in Greek philosophy.
Guess you'll have to chastise them:-))) and Kali abd Bob officer will
have to call the authorities on Noel Tyl too, because he has been
professing to be a counselor and psychological astrologer for 35 years
now.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You spinics, never ending OCD with spinning others, and all it gets
you is wasted time and your own defective and negative thinking
exposed.
"I came into this world for judgment so that those who do not see may
see, and those who do see may become blind.
The Pharisees near him heard this and said to him, "Surely we are not
blind are we?" And he said to them, "If you were blind, you would have
no sin. But now that you say, 'We see,'your sin remains." John 39-41
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
> "Edmond Wollmann" <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>None. I got my version from a professor at SDSU,
Admission of plagiarism noted. Gawd, you as so fuckin'
stupid, Wollmann.
el...@no.spam
Phoenix <eat....@be.merry> wrote:
>> None. I got my version from a professor at SDSU, so either HE
>> plagiarized it, or it is so well copied in the email exchanges that he
>> forgot where he got it not unlike I almost did. I went and looked at
>> it, it is the same version. I never did know where mine came from,
>> because it was sent to me without a reference, or else was forwarded
>> and someone else cut out the original author. I never claimed this was
>> my writing. But I still have the email from the professor at SDSU who
>> sent it to me for a course in education in Greek philosophy.
>> Guess you'll have to chastise them:-)))
>You sure you want to say that? Impugning the reputation of an
>academic institution is legally actionable.
Either way Eddy is still a plagiarist even with his "I never
claimed this was my writing" bullshit. Wollmann always has a
stupid excuse for his lack of integrity; he's an asshole.
Edmond H. Wollmann
> "Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<7e0gb.71565$eS5....@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
>>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>
>
>
>>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>
>
>
>>Dan
>
>
> Sorry it took so long to answer the infants, but _*I*_ actually have a
> life.
No you don't. You went to the ISAR convention and got booted for trying
to sell your book.
Edmond H. Wollmann
> "Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<7e0gb.71565$eS5....@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
>>Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>
>
>
>>http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>
>
>
>>Dan
>
>
> Sorry it tookSLAP!
Why do you feel the need to post your lame, inadequate reply three
separate times, OCD boy?
Dan Pressnell
"EHWollmann" <ehwol...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031012235636...@mb-m22.aol.com...
> "Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<7e0gb.71565$eS5....@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> > Mr. Wollmann, what is your relationship to professor Ron Pine?
>
> > http://www.hcc.hawaii.edu/~pine/Chapter4.htm
>
> > Dan
>
> answer you spinic--
> None. I got my version from a professor at SDSU, so either HE plagiarized
it,
> or it is so well copied in the email exchanges that he forgot where he got
it
> not unlike I almost did. I went and looked at it, it is the same version.
I
> never did know where mine came from, because it was sent to me without a
> reference, or else was forwarded and someone else cut out the original
author.
> I never claimed this was my writing. But I still have the email from the
> professor at SDSU who sent it to me for a course in education in Greek
> philosophy.
So you plagiarized a professor who sent it to you in email?
Dan