2nd RFD: comp.os.linux reorganization
Dave Sill
comp.os.linux reorganization
Summary: An extensive reorganization of the comp.os.linux hierarchy is
proposed. It includes the creation of five unmoderated
groups, the renaming of three unmoderated groups, and the
creation of one moderated group.
Proponent: Dave Sill, d...@ornl.gov
History: This proposed reorganization was prompted originally by the
excessive level of traffic in comp.os.linux.help. Following
a straw poll conducted by the proponent, an RFD was posted
for breaking comp.os.linux.help into various subgroups and
creating comp.os.linux.answers for separating the
documentation and announcements currently posted to
comp.os.linux.announce. During the discussion period, it
became evident that it would be preferable to create the
groups directly under comp.os.linux, rather than splitting
comp.os.linux.help. The previous RFD reflected that change.
This revision of the RFD incorporates several other changes
resulting from the previous 11 days of discussion.
1) Create group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
Charter: For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems.
2) Create group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, READMEs and other
documents that answer questions about Linux. This will
help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements.
C.o.l.answers will be moderated by Matt Welsh
(m...@cs.cornell.edu), the moderator of c.o.l.announce.
3) Create group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the writing of
applications for Linux and the porting of applications to
Linux.
4) Create group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion specific to a particular piece
of hardware, e.g., "can this system run Linux?", "how do I
use this disk drive with Linux?", etc.
5) Create group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to networking or
communications including Ethernet boards, serial
communications, SLIP, etc.
6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
not unique to Linux will be directed to
comp.windows.x.i386unix.
7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the development of
the Linux operating system proper: kernel, device drivers,
loadable modules.
8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux installation
and system administration.
Rationale: "setup" is clearer than "admin", and is a more obvious
place for installation questions.
9) Rename group: comp.os.linux.help (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.misc (unmoderated)
Rationale: Comp.os.linux.help is too general. It currently overlaps
comp.os.linux.admin, and if the proposed groups are
created, will overlap comp.os.linux.hardware and
comp.os.linux.networking as well as comp.os.linux.setup.
Note: The intent here is actually to remove comp.os.linux.help,
not to rename it to .misc, which already exists.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to remove it directly.
Comp.os.linux Reorganization Roadmap
Current Hierarchy Proposed Hierarchy
c.o.l.advocacy
c.o.l.announce c.o.l.announce
c.o.l.answers
c.o.l.development c.o.l.development.system
c.o.l.development.apps
c.o.l.help
c.o.l.hardware
c.o.l.misc c.o.l.misc
c.o.l.networking
c.o.l.admin c.o.l.setup
c.o.l.x
After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are not overwhelming
objections to any of the proposed groups, there will be a Call For
Votes (CFV) posted to the groups as this RFD. The voting period will
be at least 21 days. Each proposal that passes, by receiving 100 more
YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes,
will be implemented.
Thomas Koenig
article <37o5jg$e...@bronze.coil.com>:
>What about col.newbies: a "no question too stupid" group? Hopefully,
>intermediate Linux users could answer most of the questions reinforcing
>their own knowlege while they do so.
This could be taken over by the proposed automoderated
'alt.os.linux.support', in which people have stick to a certain
format to ask their questions.
I've been giving some thought to this, and I think the best way would
be to require a set of approved primary and secondary keywords in the
Subject line, for example:
Subject: net/nfs: "What does RPC: Unable to receive" mean?
People knowledgable about a certain subject could then autoselect on
these keywords.
The automoderator could then generate archive-names based on this.
What I'm still undecided about is wether there should be required
fields in the text for questions.
Version:
Program:
What should have happened:
What did happen:
Answers should also have some requirements, so that nobody just posts
a followup with 'well, I have this other problem'...
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Thomas Koenig, Thomas...@ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig...@dkauni2.bitnet.
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.
Matt Midboe
>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
> version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
> libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
> not unique to Linux will be directed to
> comp.windows.x.i386unix.
We don't really need a special group to discuss X windows on
Linux. The groups in the comp.windows.x are where X windows related
discussion should go. I don't think that there is anything very
special about running X on Linux, especially not enough to warrant a
newsgroup for it.
Matt
ma...@iquest.com
Matt Welsh
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> comp.os.linux reorganization
This is essentially my modified proposal with .programmer renamed
to .development.apps and .development renamed to .development.system.
As such I'm fairly happy with it.
I still think that we should have .programmer instead of .development.apps.
This is because not all programming is considered applications development.
For example if I have a question about GCC use under Linux .programmer
sounds like the right group, .development.apps does not.
What about .programmer and .kernel?
.x may be misleading to some; what about .x-windows or .xfree86?
mdw
Matt Welsh
> comp.os.linux reorganization
THis is essenaitllay my modificed proposal with .progrrammer renamed
to .development.apps and .development renamed to .development.system.
As such I'm fairly happy with it.
I still think that we should have .programmer instead of .development.apps.
This is because not all programming is considered applications development.
For example if I have a question about GCC use under Linux .programmer
sounds like the right group, .development.apps does not.
.x may be misleading to some; what about .x-windows or .xfree86?
mdw
Jeff Kesselman
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> comp.os.linux reorganization
>
> proposed. It includes the creation of five unmoderated
> groups, the renaming of three unmoderated groups, and the
> creation of one moderated group.
>
>Proponent: Dave Sill, d...@ornl.gov
>
>History: This proposed reorganization was prompted originally by the
> excessive level of traffic in comp.os.linux.help. Following
> a straw poll conducted by the proponent, an RFD was posted
> for breaking comp.os.linux.help into various subgroups and
> creating comp.os.linux.answers for separating the
> documentation and announcements currently posted to
> comp.os.linux.announce. During the discussion period, it
> became evident that it would be preferable to create the
> groups directly under comp.os.linux, rather than splitting
> comp.os.linux.help. The previous RFD reflected that change.
>
> This revision of the RFD incorporates several other changes
> resulting from the previous 11 days of discussion.
>
>1) Create group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
> operating systems.
I also think the 'which CD-ROM is best??' question should be sent here
since this is DEFINATELY oen of those highly opinionated topics....
Similarly the 'my such-and-such CD-ROm sucks' posts, while in general
not terribly useful, shoudl also be sent here. In general, can we make this
flame-hell?
>
>2) Create group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
>
> Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, READMEs and other
> documents that answer questions about Linux. This will
> help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
> leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements.
> C.o.l.answers will be moderated by Matt Welsh
> (m...@cs.cornell.edu), the moderator of c.o.l.announce.
>
Great! A single place for newbies to go with all the FAQ type questions.
DEFINATELY a good idea.
>3) Create group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the writing of
> applications for Linux and the porting of applications to
> Linux.
>
Yup! Great! I agree that develoment shoudl be split on kernel/app lines.
>4) Create group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion specific to a particular piece
> of hardware, e.g., "can this system run Linux?", "how do I
> use this disk drive with Linux?", etc.
>
>5) Create group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to networking or
> communications including Ethernet boards, serial
> communications, SLIP, etc.
>
>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
> version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
> libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
> not unique to Linux will be directed to
> comp.windows.x.i386unix.
>
>7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
> to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the development of
> the Linux operating system proper: kernel, device drivers,
> loadable modules.
>
>8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
> to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux installation
> and system administration.
>
> Rationale: "setup" is clearer than "admin", and is a more obvious
> place for installation questions.
What about sysops, sys-admins, or administrator? Just a thought. This
woudl make it more obviously different from .hardware...
In general, it looks great and much overdo. Thank you for taking the
time to work this all out.
Jeff kesselman
Byron A Jeff
I'm tired of fighting so I'll only make one comment.
>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
>
> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
> version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
> libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
> not unique to Linux will be directed to
> comp.windows.x.i386unix.
Dumb question. comp.windows.x.i386unix is clearly the existing group for
this discussion. The only problem is that folks can't find it. Is there any
way we can simply point this group to comp.windows.x.i386unix? That way the
users can find it and the experts of XFree86 only have one group to read?
>After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are not overwhelming
>objections to any of the proposed groups, there will be a Call For
>Votes (CFV) posted to the groups as this RFD. The voting period will
>be at least 21 days. Each proposal that passes, by receiving 100 more
>YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes,
>will be implemented.
Maybe I'm not as tired as I thought. Vote NO! Reasons posted in a couple of
dozen posts in news.groups along with Matt Welsh and Ian Jackson.
BAJ
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Peter F. Couvares
express my opinion that all but one of these groups are really bad
ideas, and briefly explain why.
Dave Sill <d...@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> writes:
>1) Create group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
Compared to other topics which have spawned .advocacy groups, I don't
think there's actually all that much "Linux vs X" discussion in the
comp.os.linux hierarchy. Furthermore, what is there tends to be
concentrated in long, single-subject threads, and is therefore
extremely simple to deal with using a killfile. I don't think this
group is needed.
>2) Create group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
Although I don't think this one is strictly necessary, I wouldn't mind
seeing it created simply because I don't look at much of the
help/howto info posted to comp.os.linux.announce (or if I do I go to
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs to get it), so it'd be nice to have an
announcements-only (i.e. _new_ info) group that was free of stuff I
already know. So although I might even vote for it, I can live
without it.
>3) Create group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
>4) Create group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
>5) Create group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
There's not much Linux-specific about most Linux applications/
hardware/networking/x, and anything about them that actually is
Linux-specific should go (appropriately) in comp.os.linux.devel --
therefore these groups don't make sense.
>7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
> to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
System? As opposed to what? Any development that is actually
specific to Linux involves the kernel, and therefore, even by your own
definition, belongs in comp.os.linux.devel. There's no other category
of Linux development out there. If it doesn't involve the kernel, or
system calls (i.e. the kernel), or device drivers (i.e. the kernel),
etc, it's not Linux-specific, and belongs in another newsgroup.
>8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
> to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
Eh, who cares. IMHO, admin is as good as setup and there's no real
reason to change it now. Who knows, you might even have had an
argument before it was created in the first place, but it's simply not
worth spending any time on it now.
>9) Rename group: comp.os.linux.help (unmoderated)
> to: comp.os.linux.misc (unmoderated)
Oy. Same argument as the last one.
>After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are not overwhelming
>objections to any of the proposed groups, there will be a Call For
>Votes (CFV) posted to the groups as this RFD.
I don't particularly care whether or not this goes to a vote b/c I'm
pretty confident it will be shot down, but I'm curious what
constitutes "overwhelming objections". There sure hasn't been much
support.
-Peter
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Dave Sill (d...@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov) wrote:
: REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
: comp.os.linux reorganization
: Proponent: Dave Sill, d...@ornl.gov
: Comp.os.linux Reorganization Roadmap
: Current Hierarchy Proposed Hierarchy
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Henry Ware
Peter F. Couvares <pfco...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:
>Dave Sill <d...@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> writes:
>
>>1) Create group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
I agree that this group is superfluous. We should just officially
take over comp.os.unix.advocacy. ;^) Seriously, I think this is a
good idea; it would give us a place to vent our "there is no OS but
Linux, and Linux is my OS" feelings without offending the nonbelievers
unduly.
>>2) Create group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
This may be the most contoversial group, but it is the the one
which will require the least adjustment (except from Mr Welsh).
>>3) Create group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
I think this would be better named c.o.l.programmer; which IMHO, is
clearer and which would allow (with c.o.l.kernel) us to keep the single
level heirarchy for the time being. Further, its clearer: especially to
newcomers.
>>4) Create group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
>>5) Create group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
>>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
A seperate Linux X group is a mistake. I've been following much of
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* lately. There really is a unity of purpose
between us and the BSD/OS2/NT folks. We all have similar desires and
constraints. Still, I support the generic Linux hardware group: setting
up a Unix system on PC hardware can be trying- Linux installation isn't
yet trouble free, and drivers are a significant constraint. Not to
mention, helping newcomers find an answer.
But a Linux X group: come on. These are xfree questions. They belong in
the group for xfree questions. I admit that I find the xfree group to be
about the dullest in netland, but there are people (saints(?)) who do
answer the sophisticated and byzantine questions placed therein. We would
be doing a disservice both to the questioners and to the answerers by
creating a seperate Linux group.
>>7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development
(unmoderated)
>> to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
I feel this should be col.kernel... which I feel suits the subject well.
If we do have have a vote including col.development.* groups, I think
.scientific and .games should at least be brought to a vote. There has
been significant support for .scientific.
>>8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
>> to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
This is a win.
What about col.newbies: a "no question too stupid" group? Hopefully,
intermediate Linux users could answer most of the questions reinforcing
their own knowlege while they do so. Some posters have suggested that
Linux newbies don't put enough effort into reading the documentation. I
think this point of view is naive- the Linux groups generally have more
sophisticated questions than the comp.os.unix.* groups (or most of the
similar hierarchies). Further, Linux does have an amazing amount of
documentation... asking newbies to read and comperhend it all without an
occasional dumb question is asking them to be superhuman. Some of you
want to make this a passive database: I think it would work better when
people are encourage to interact via answering questions they think they
know (or care to look up). This idea is not inconsistant with a database
for authoritative answers.
Your milage may vary,
hw...@bronze.coil.com
--
Will hack Linux for virtual beer.
Matt Welsh
>>3) Create group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
>>4) Create group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
>>5) Create group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
>>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
>
>There's not much Linux-specific about most Linux applications/
>hardware/networking/x, and anything about them that actually is
>Linux-specific should go (appropriately) in comp.os.linux.devel --
>therefore these groups don't make sense.
Unfortunately---and this is the entire impetus behind this discussion---
the Linux newsgroups are overrun by postings, most of which are in
.help, which doesn't distinguish between hardware questions, X questions,
networking questions, and so forth. And if you think that there's not
much Linux-specific about these topics, think again.
>>7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
>> to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
>
>System? As opposed to what?
Applications development or user-level programming.
>Any development that is actually
>specific to Linux involves the kernel, and therefore, even by your own
>definition, belongs in comp.os.linux.devel. There's no other category
>of Linux development out there. If it doesn't involve the kernel, or
>system calls (i.e. the kernel), or device drivers (i.e. the kernel),
>etc, it's not Linux-specific, and belongs in another newsgroup.
Again, unfortunately this is not the case. There is a great deal
of discussion about applications porting and development under Linux.
Even though these discussions may technically belong elsewhere,
that solution looks good only on paper and doesn't work in practice.
You have the right attitude, the same attitude which spawned the
current hierarchy. Unfortunately that approach didn't work, as
evidenced by the now almost-completely-useless Linux newsgroup
hierarchy.
>>8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
>> to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
>
>Eh, who cares. IMHO, admin is as good as setup and there's no real
>reason to change it now.
The point is to have a newsgroup for specifically installation- and
system-configuration-related qurestions. .admin doesn't seem intuitive
for this.
mdw
David Dyer-Bennet
>In article <37mn57$d...@rodan.uu.net>, Dave Sill <d...@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> wrote:
>I'm tired of fighting so I'll only make one comment.
>>6) Create group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
>>
>> Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
>> version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
>> libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
>> not unique to Linux will be directed to
>> comp.windows.x.i386unix.
>Dumb question. comp.windows.x.i386unix is clearly the existing group for
>this discussion. The only problem is that folks can't find it. Is there any
>way we can simply point this group to comp.windows.x.i386unix? That way the
>users can find it and the experts of XFree86 only have one group to read?
In both c-news and INN, I can create a group and alias it to another
existing group, but I don't know if you can send out a newgroup
message to cause this to happen.
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Jim Knoble
promote more usability and readability than the current structure. as a
linux user for over a year and a half (since comp.os.linux[.announce]),
i have observed rapid growth of traffic in all newsgroups, and i believe
the reorganization which Dave describes will benefit both the
current/veteran and new user communities.
--jim knoble
Brain...@launchpad.unc.edu
In article <37mn57$d...@rodan.uu.net>, Dave Sill <d...@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> comp.os.linux reorganization
>
>Summary: An extensive reorganization of the comp.os.linux hierarchy is
> proposed. It includes the creation of five unmoderated
> groups, the renaming of three unmoderated groups, and the
> creation of one moderated group.
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Jerry Davis
: Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, READMEs and other
: documents that answer questions about Linux. This will
: help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
: leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements.
: C.o.l.answers will be moderated by Matt Welsh
: (m...@cs.cornell.edu), the moderator of c.o.l.announce.
<begin my $.02>
When I first read the charter of this proposed group it came to mind that
it should be called c.o.l.documentation because there is more than just
answers in here. Over time, it may become THE source for documenation for
linux not just answers.
Everything else is OK IMHO.
<end my $.02>
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Dan Newcombe
>I think that the main problem at the moment is the use of c.o.l.misc
>as a ...help group. Those two groups are virtually indistinguishable.
I don't think so. Perhaps the admin and help groups are almost the same, but
lately it seems that the development and misc groups are actually serving
their functions. Of couse, you do have people that will cross-post just to
try and reach everyone. I answered a question in .devl this morning that
clearly did not belong there. Only after I pressed send did I realize I had
accidentally followed up to all the groups and not just to the original sender.
The problem is not as much of a how do we split it up, as it is a how do we
get people to post sensiably. What's the point of creating an awsome new
heirarchy if someone is gonna crospost "How do I load a GIF under X" to every
single group.
The other problem is to convince those that have been around a while that the
above question does have a place in the linux hierachy. Sure...it probably
belongs under comp.windows.x.apps, but to a new user it is very hard to tell
where Linux stops and something else picks up. We are not gonna gain a
following by being a bunch of pricks who only say "READ THE FAQ. THAT BELONGS
OVER THERE..." While it may be true, we are not born omnipitent.
Remember...Linux is just the kernel, so anything else belongs somewhere else :)
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Ian Kluft
COMP.OS.LINUX REORGANIZATION
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.advocacy
moderated group comp.os.linux.answers
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.development.apps
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.hardware
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.networking
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.x
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.development.system
- proposed to replace comp.os.linux.development
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.setup
- proposed to replace comp.os.linux.admin
removal of unmoderated group comp.os.linux.help
- proposed removal would be implemented as a rename to the existing
comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup
Newsgroups lines:
comp.os.linux.advocacy Benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems.
comp.os.linux.answers FAQs, How-To's, READMEs, etc. about Linux. (Moderated)
comp.os.linux.development.apps Writing Linux applications, porting to Linux
comp.os.linux.hardware Hardware compatibility with the Linux operating system.
comp.os.linux.networking Networking and communications under Linux.
comp.os.linux.x Linux X Window System servers, clients, libraries and fonts.
comp.os.linux.development.system Linux kernels, device drivers, modules.
comp.os.linux.setup Linux installation and system administration.
(Not shown on the newsgroups lines: removal of comp.os.linux.help.)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 12 December 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Ian Kluft (ikl...@amdahl.com). For questions about
the proposed groups contact Dave Sill (d...@ornl.gov).
This vote also has an assistant votetaker, Patrick Horgan (pat...@amdahl.com).
Note: this is the third comp.os.linux reorganization vote. Earlier ones
occurred as follows:
Nov 1992 vote-taker: i...@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
Aug 1993 vote-taker: ikl...@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft)
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups
to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the e-mail server
at linux-cf...@amdahl.com.
CHARTERS
These are the group charters as provided by the proponent.
1) Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
Charter: For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems.
2) Group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, READMEs and other
documents that answer questions about Linux. This will
help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements.
C.o.l.answers will be moderated by Matt Welsh
(m...@cs.cornell.edu), the moderator of c.o.l.announce.
Submission Address: linux-a...@tc.cornell.edu
Moderator Contact: linux-annou...@tc.cornell.edu
3) Group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the writing of
applications for Linux and the porting of applications to
Linux.
4) Group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion specific to a particular piece
of hardware, e.g., "can this system run Linux?", "how do I
use this disk drive with Linux?", etc.
5) Group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to networking or
communications including Ethernet boards, serial
communications, SLIP, etc.
6) Group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
not unique to Linux will be directed to
comp.windows.x.i386unix.
7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the development of
the Linux operating system proper: kernel, device drivers,
loadable modules.
8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux installation
and system administration.
9) Rename group: comp.os.linux.help (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.misc (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux but not
covered by a more specific Linux newsgroup.
Note: The intent here is actually to remove comp.os.linux.help,
not to rename it to .misc, which already exists.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to remove it directly.
Comp.os.linux Reorganization Roadmap
Current Hierarchy Proposed Hierarchy
c.o.l.advocacy
c.o.l.announce c.o.l.announce
c.o.l.answers
c.o.l.development c.o.l.development.system
c.o.l.development.apps
c.o.l.help
c.o.l.hardware
c.o.l.misc c.o.l.misc
c.o.l.networking
c.o.l.admin c.o.l.setup
c.o.l.x
HOW TO VOTE
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NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
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Then mail the ballot to: linux-re...@amdahl.com
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Quick voting checklist:
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[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ ] comp.os.linux.advocacy
[ ] comp.os.linux.answers
[ ] comp.os.linux.development.apps
[ ] comp.os.linux.hardware
[ ] comp.os.linux.networking
[ ] comp.os.linux.x
[ ] comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development)
[ ] comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin)
[ ] REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal)
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Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with an automated acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
WARNING: In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is
standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.
When in doubt, ask the vote-taker.
Ian Kluft
COMP.OS.LINUX REORGANIZATION
Both votetakers may be reached via the address linux-v...@amdahl.com.
This CFV contains a "bounce acknowledgement" for votes which were received
and counted but the reply to the voter was returned as undeliverable. If your
name appears on the list, you do not need to re-vote. If you voted before
06:30 November 28 GMT and have neither received a reply by e-mail nor found
your name in the bounce ack, you may assume your vote did not reach the vote-
counting machine and should try again. For votes after the bounce ack was
created, please check with the vote-taker. If you have any further problems,
ask your site's postmaster.
Note: this is the third comp.os.linux reorganization vote. Earlier votes
occurred as follows:
created Feb 1992 vote-taker: a...@sauna.cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke)
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.os.linux
1st reorg Nov 1992 vote-taker: i...@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.os.linux-reorg
2nd reorg Aug 1993 vote-taker: ikl...@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft)
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.os.linux-reorg2
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups
to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the e-mail server
at linux-cf...@amdahl.com.
CHARTERS
These are the group charters as provided by the proponent.
1) Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
Charter: For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems.
2) Group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, READMEs and other
documents that answer questions about Linux. This will
help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements.
C.o.l.answers will be moderated by Matt Welsh
(m...@cs.cornell.edu), the moderator of c.o.l.announce.
Submission Address: linux-a...@tc.cornell.edu
Moderator Contact: linux-annou...@tc.cornell.edu
3) Group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the writing of
applications for Linux and the porting of applications to
Linux.
4) Group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion specific to a particular piece
of hardware, e.g., "can this system run Linux?", "how do I
use this disk drive with Linux?", etc.
5) Group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to networking or
communications including Ethernet boards, serial
communications, SLIP, etc.
6) Group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to X Window System,
version 11, compatible software including servers, clients,
libraries, and fonts, running under Linux. XFree86 issues
not unique to Linux will be directed to
comp.windows.x.i386unix.
7) Rename group: comp.os.linux.development (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.development.system (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion regarding the development of
the Linux operating system proper: kernel, device drivers,
loadable modules.
8) Rename group: comp.os.linux.admin (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.setup (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux installation
and system administration.
9) Rename group: comp.os.linux.help (unmoderated)
to: comp.os.linux.misc (unmoderated)
Charter: For questions and discussion relating to Linux but not
covered by a more specific Linux newsgroup.
Note: The intent here is actually to remove comp.os.linux.help,
not to rename it to .misc, which already exists.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to remove it directly.
Comp.os.linux Reorganization Roadmap
Current Hierarchy Proposed Hierarchy
c.o.l.advocacy
c.o.l.announce c.o.l.announce
c.o.l.answers
c.o.l.development c.o.l.development.system
c.o.l.development.apps
c.o.l.help
c.o.l.hardware
c.o.l.misc c.o.l.misc
c.o.l.networking
c.o.l.admin c.o.l.setup
c.o.l.x
HOW TO VOTE
Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names. Basically, remove everything
except the ballot - we have to save them all on disk.
Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.
Then mail the ballot to: linux-re...@amdahl.com
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Quick voting checklist:
1) Fill in the ballot form shown below.
2) Delete the rest of the CFV from your reply.
3) Make sure your reply goes to linux-re...@amdahl.com.
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
comp.os.linux.* reorg Ballot <col-reorg3-0002> (Don't remove this marker)
comp.os.linux.* reorg Bounce List - No need to revote
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cummings@stingray Matthew P. Cummings
Daniel....@imag.fr Daniel Veillard
egbert@garfy Egbert Hinzen
ge...@casquet.equinox.gen.nz Geoff Jacobsen
g...@wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G. Woodbury
go...@owlnet.rice.edu Christopher Scott Gouge
Helge.D...@delab.sintef.no Helge Danielsen
leendert@fskljh Leendert Haasbroek
mattolin@aguirre Riccardo Mattolini
mbg...@insosf1.infonet.net Matthew B. Guest
nie...@swt.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Christoph Niemann
pbrown@kbrown Preston Brown
ss...@sncsdns3-le0.slma.com Sam Chessman
time...@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Jeffrey C. Jacobs
Wenger Wenger Hansjuerg
Ian Kluft
3rd comp.os.linux Reorganization
PART 3 OF 3
comp.os.linux.* reorg Final Vote Ack
[continued from Part 2]
REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal) -----------+
comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin) ----------+|
comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development) ---------+||
comp.os.linux.x --------+|||
comp.os.linux.networking -------+||||
comp.os.linux.hardware ------+|||||
comp.os.linux.development.apps -----+||||||
comp.os.linux.answers ----+|||||||
comp.os.linux.advocacy ---+||||||||
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whome!light-house!l...@planix.com Laszlo Herczeg NNNNNNNNN
wide...@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius YYYYYYYYY
William....@att.com Bill Roehrig YYYYYYYYY
will...@encmail.encompass.com Gary Williams YYYYYYYYY
wil...@rpi.edu Josh Wilmes YYYYYYYYY
wins...@cs.tulane.edu Teddy Winstead YYYYYYYYY
WIS...@hartwick.edu R. N. (Dick) Wisan YYYYYYYY-
w...@nova.hut.fi Mikko Hänninen YYYYYYYY-
w...@rcsg30.eld.ford.com Joseph S. Wisniewski YYYYYYYYY
wjb...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Warren Baird YYYYYNYYN
w...@acm.org William J. Evans YYYYYYYYY
w...@SSD.intel.com William Manchester Shubert YYYYYYYYY
woh...@newt.com Bill Wohler YYYYYYYNY
wo...@cabby.cabinet.sub.org Wolfgang Kohl YYYYYYYYY
Wolfgan...@physik.uni-regensburg.de Wolfgang Ratzka YYYYYYYYY
wo...@mathematik.uni-kassel.de Wolfgang Jung NYYYYNYYY
wor...@picosof.com Will Orton YYYYYYYYY
wo...@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de Olav Woelfelschneider YYYYYYYYY
wra...@cs.utk.edu YYYYYYYYY
w...@nlbbs.com William R. Smith YYYYYYYYY
w...@xivic.bo.open.de Wolfgang Schelongowski YYYYYYYYN
wste...@proteon.inet-serv.com Wayne Stenson NNNNYNNNN
w...@sepulcher.asd.sgi.com William Warner YNYYYYYYY
wund...@inf.ethz.ch YYYYYYYNY
w...@senate.be Wim Verhaest YYYYYYYYY
ww...@lostlink.alt.za Warwick Ward-Cox YYYYYYYYN
xav...@earthlink.net Xavier Stonestreet YYYYYYYYY
XMA...@cslab.felk.cvut.cz Michael Macek YYYYYYYYY
xmsb%sha...@borland.com Maurice S. Barnum NNNNNNNNN
xo...@g26.ethz.ch Anthony Uk -YYYYYYY-
xu...@csv.warwick.ac.uk Daniel Barlow Y-YYY-YYY
xy...@u.washington.edu Trent Piepho YYYYYYNNN
ya...@research.att.com Mike Yang YYYYYYYYY
ya...@ivory.cs.bgu.ac.il ya...@ivory.bgu.ac.il NYYYYYYYN
yoh...@cassandra.cair.du.edu Yasuo Ohgaki YYYYYYYY-
yu...@UUserv.Net.tw T. R. --yuan YYYYYYYYY
Yves.A...@imag.fr Yves Arrouye YYYYYYYNY
z...@crs4.it Gianluigi Zanetti YYYYYYYYY
zap...@londo.stu.rpi.edu Matthew J. Ryan -YYYYYYYY
zbr...@lynx.dac.neu.edu zachary brown YYYYYYYYN
zep...@mailhost.nmt.edu Neale Pickett YYYYYYY-Y
zim...@ba-mannheim.de Rainer Zimmermann YYYYYYYYY
zir...@volta.brooks.af.mil John Ziriax YYYYYYYYY
zun...@cc.gatech.edu Eric Z. Ayers YYYYYYYYY
Votes in error
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an...@deathstar.stortek.com Jeff Andre
! No vote statement in message
bh...@cftnet.com Brad Hull
! No ballot
Coyle_Joseph/Non-HP-Che...@om1.ch.apollo.hp.com
! No ballot
gr...@ipp179.ipp.kfa-juelich.de
! No ballot
hen...@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE Steffan Henke
! No ballot
l...@shlink.shn.com Lutz Petersen
! No ballot
mi...@manta.synapse.net Mike Dusseault
! No ballot
pet...@calvin.polyware.iaf.nl Peter Peters
! No ballot
pjam...@tiac.net Paul W Jameson
! No ballot
pj...@ix.netcom.com Patrick Kandlbinder
! No ballot
ro...@albatross.princeton.edu The Ancient Mariner
! Invalid address
ro...@belvedere.sbay.org David E. Fox
! Invalid address
ro...@fipower.pp.fi Lauri Tischler
! Invalid address
ro...@fmp.fta-berlin.de Stefan Huebel
! Invalid address
ro...@sizone.pci.on.ca Ken P Chasse
! Invalid address
ro...@zen.uwe.ac.uk Philip Copeland
! Invalid address
st...@work.bellingham.wa.us
! No vote statement in message
sysa...@pc3664.rz.uni-regensburg.de Olaf Jaeger
! Invalid address
unknow...@wet.sbi.com Robin Strong
! rejected by vote-taker: unverifiable name/address
wil...@cithara.montreal.qc.ca William Ross
! No ballot
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VOTING ANALYSIS
All dates and times in this section are in US Pacific Time.
The first vote arrived at Mon Nov 21 08:55:47 1994.
comp.os.linux.advocacy passed on Mon Nov 21 13:12:38 1994
comp.os.linux.answers passed on Mon Nov 21 12:37:50 1994
comp.os.linux.development.apps passed on Mon Nov 21 12:35:34 1994
comp.os.linux.hardware passed on Mon Nov 21 12:36:27 1994
comp.os.linux.networking passed on Mon Nov 21 12:37:50 1994
comp.os.linux.x passed on Mon Nov 21 13:53:15 1994
comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development) passed on Mon Nov 21 12:41:16 1994
comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin) passed on Mon Nov 21 13:04:32 1994
REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal) passed on Mon Nov 21 13:53:39 1994
The daily vote arrival rates are shown below with notes on factors which
could possibly or probably have affected them.
314 21 Nov 1st CFV posted
333 22 Nov
148 23 Nov day-before-Thanksgiving travel day (USA)
72 24 Nov Thanksgiving holiday (USA)
54 25 Nov
31 26 Nov weekend
34 27 Nov weekend
55 28 Nov
190 29 Nov 2nd CFV posted
158 30 Nov
72 1 Dec
49 2 Dec
19 3 Dec weekend
17 4 Dec weekend
29 5 Dec
17 6 Dec
20 7 Dec
29 8 Dec
15 9 Dec
12 10 Dec weekend
20 11 Dec weekend
10 12 Dec
This vote was handled by neutral third-party votetakers from the UseNet
Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/
Ian Kluft
3rd comp.os.linux Reorganization
Voting for the 3rd comp.os.linux reorganization proposal ended at 23:59:59
UTC, 12 December 1994. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.
For voting questions only contact ikl...@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) or
pat...@amdahl.com (Patrick Horgan), or use linux-v...@amdahl.com to
reach both. For questions about the newsgroups contact Dave Sill
(d...@ornl.gov).
There were 1619 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed
newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least
100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:
comp.os.linux.* reorg results - 1619 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
1337 167 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.advocacy
1510 79 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.answers
1516 64 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development.apps
1520 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.hardware
1518 65 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.networking
1343 209 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.x
1497 73 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development)
1404 158 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin)
1310 211 : Yes Yes : Yes : REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal)
20 invalid votes
All parts of the proposal passed, including the removal of comp.os.linux.help
by renaming it to the existing comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter.
The following newsgroups will be removed on 20 March 1995.
comp.os.linux.development (replaced by comp.os.linux.development.system)
comp.os.linux.admin (replaced by comp.os.linux.setup)
comp.os.linux.help (removed by renaming to comp.os.linux.misc)
The remainder of the results contains
Newsgroups Lines
Charters
Final Voting Acknowledgements
Voting Analysis
NEWSGROUPS LINES
comp.os.linux.advocacy Benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems.
comp.os.linux.answers FAQs, How-To's, READMEs, etc. about Linux. (Moderated)
comp.os.linux.development.apps Writing Linux applications, porting to Linux
comp.os.linux.hardware Hardware compatibility with the Linux operating system.
comp.os.linux.networking Networking and communications under Linux.
comp.os.linux.x Linux X Window System servers, clients, libraries and fonts.
comp.os.linux.development.system Linux kernels, device drivers, modules.
comp.os.linux.setup Linux installation and system administration.
CHARTERS
1) Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy (unmoderated)
2) Group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)
3) Group: comp.os.linux.development.apps (unmoderated)
4) Group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)
5) Group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)
6) Group: comp.os.linux.x (unmoderated)
Comp.os.linux Reorganization Roadmap
Current Hierarchy Proposed Hierarchy
comp.os.linux.* reorg Final Vote Ack
REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal) -----------+
comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin) ----------+|
comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development) ---------+||
comp.os.linux.x --------+|||
comp.os.linux.networking -------+||||
comp.os.linux.hardware ------+|||||
comp.os.linux.development.apps -----+||||||
comp.os.linux.answers ----+|||||||
comp.os.linux.advocacy ---+||||||||
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ano...@edishop.com.hk Li On YYYYYYYYY
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asch...@sirius.uvic.ca Andre Schoorl YYYYYYYYY
ASI...@ZAM001.ZAM.KFA-JUELICH.DE Claus Malten YYYYYYYYY
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as...@hamp.hampshire.edu Albert S. Woodhull NYYYY-Y-Y
atan...@cc.helsinki.fi Antti Juho Tanskanen YYYYYYYYY
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aug...@crhc.uiuc.edu David August YYYYYYYNY
au...@cs.albany.edu Jim Ault YYYYYYYYY
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avl...@nl.oracle.com Arrie van der Vliet, (avl...@oracle.nl) -YYYYYYYY
a...@ix.de Axel Wilzopolski YYYYY-YYY
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B.A.Mc...@bham.ac.uk YYYYYNYY-
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ba...@crl.com Todd B. SanMillan YYYYYYYY-
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bao...@srs.gov Bao Ha NNNNNNNNN
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barb...@phelpsd.com Albert A. Barbieri YYYYYYYYY
ba...@seymour.ucs.ualberta.ca Barry Ard YYYYYYYYY
ba...@pop.psu.edu David Barr YYYYYYYYY
b...@mh.nl Carel Bast YYYYYYYYY
b...@phys.uva.nl Bas de Bakker NYYYYNYNY
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bau...@mi.uni-erlangen.de Matthias Bauer NYYYYYYYY
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b...@craycom.dk Bent Bagger YYYYYYYYY
bbu...@netcom.com Brian Button YYYYYYYYY
bc...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu George Burgyan YYYYYYYYY
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b...@mda.ca Bruce Link YYYYYYYYY
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be...@netcom.com Jeffrey Kintscher YYYYYYYYY
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Beh...@tu-harburg.d400.de (Lutz Behnke HiWi) YYYYYYYYY
be...@gsf.de Herwart Behrendt YYYYYYYYY
bela...@resetu00.uqtr.uquebec.ca Pierre Belanger YYYYYYYYY
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ccnp@cacofonix Neil Lewes Parker YYYYYYY--
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c...@tph116.fkp.physik.th-darmstadt.de Claus-Dieter Bredl YYYYYYYY-
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d...@sws5.CTD.ORNL.GOV Dave Sill YYYYYYYYY
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e...@flens.syd.de Ebe Ebsen YYYYYYYYY
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ee_...@dmc428.ust.hk Michael Lo YYYYYYYYY
e...@kaolin.unice.fr Erick Gallesio YYYYYYYYY
egbert@garfy Egbert Hinzen NYYYYNYYY
egus...@vlsia.uccs.edu Eric Gustafson YYYYYYYY-
ehh...@epx.cis.umn.edu Ed H. Chi YYYYYYYYY
eh...@bsc835.bsc.edu Eric Hunt YYYYYYYYY
[continued in Part 2]
Ian Kluft
3rd comp.os.linux Reorganization
comp.os.linux.* reorg Final Vote Ack
[continued from Part 1]
REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal) -----------+
comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin) ----------+|
comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development) ---------+||
comp.os.linux.x --------+|||
comp.os.linux.networking -------+||||
comp.os.linux.hardware ------+|||||
comp.os.linux.development.apps -----+||||||
comp.os.linux.answers ----+|||||||
comp.os.linux.advocacy ---+||||||||
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mand...@abo.fi Mats Andtbacka YNYYYNYYY
map...@uxmail.ust.hk PATRICK YIP -YYYYY--N
ma...@algorithmics.com Marc Moorcroft NNNNNNNNY
ma...@mpi.nl Marc Fleischeuers -Y-YYY--Y
Marcel....@cwi.nl YYYYYYYYY
ma...@alive.ampr.ab.ca Marc Slemko YYYYYYYYY
mar...@thor.ats.qc.ca Marcus A. Freedman NYYYYYYYY
mardy.hu...@NetAxis.qc.ca Mardy Hutchinson YYYYYYYYN
Marino....@aut.alcatel.at Marino Ladavac YYYYYYYYY
mario...@mex.eng.eds.com Mario Camou YYYYYYYYN
ma...@lri.com Mark Reay YYYYYYYYY
ma...@scaredy.catt.ncsu.edu Mark Nordberg YYYYYYYYY
mar...@topaz.technion.ac.il Mark Zusman YYYYYYYYY
mar...@laitram.com Mark Sutton YYYYYYY-Y
mar...@dyob.lahn.de Markus Haendel YYYYYNYYY
mar...@hal.mitropa.com Markus Leist YYYYYY-YY
mar...@mwhh.Hanse.DE Markus Witt NYYYYNYYY
marlys....@uwrf.edu Marlys A. Nelson YYYYYYYYY
mars...@cs.uq.oz.au Marshall Harris YYYYYYYYY
marti...@student.uni-ulm.de Martin Buck YYYYYYYYY
mar...@cs.unc.edu Kevin E. Martin YYYYYYYYY
mar...@ikcbarka.kfk.de Martin Tischhaeuser YYYYYNYYY
mar...@plissken.UUCP Martin Bassner YYYYYYYYY
martin_v...@csufresno.edu Martin von Loewis YYYYYY-NN
m...@valley.muc.de Marc A. Selig YYYYYYYYY
matl...@pacific.dfas.mil Delbert Matlock YYYYYYYYY
Mats.W...@at8.abo.fi Mats Wikholm YYYYYYYYY
ma...@aodc.gov.au Matthew Hannigan YYYYYNYYY
mat...@hivnet.org Matthew Lewis YYYYYYYYY
mat...@rmc1.crocker.com Matthew S. Crocker YYYYYYYYY
Mattias....@lu.erisoft.se Mattias Lindqvist YYYYYYYYY
mattolin@aguirre Riccardo Mattolini YYYYYYYYY
mat...@peruvian.cs.utah.edu Mark Atwood YYYYYYYYY
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ma...@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mike Crowe YYYYYYYYN
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mba...@uni.uiuc.edu Matt Bandy YYYYYYYYY
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mi...@chopin.udel.edu Michael James Porter YYYYYYYYY
mi...@cosy.sbg.ac.at Michlmayr Thomas YYYYYNYYY
mi...@msc.cornell.edu Mike Heisler YYNYNYNYY
mi...@edinburgh.ac.uk YYYYYYYYY
[continued in Part 3]
Petter Reinholdtsen
> Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
> ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
> 1343 209 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.x
> All parts of the proposal passed, including the removal of
> comp.os.linux.help by renaming it to the existing comp.os.linux.misc
> newsgroup.
> There is a five day discussion period after these results are
> posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are
> raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the
> newsgroups shortly thereafter.
I think it is a major f**kup to create a duplicate group for X. The
only X available for Linux is currently XFree 86 which have their own
newsgroup called comp.windows.x.i386unix.
What new info could col.x bring in, that did not belong in cwx.i386unix?
--
##> Petter Reinholdtsen <## | pet...@stud.cs.uit.no
| Petter Reinholdtsen, studpost, IMR
"http://www.cs.uit.no/~petterr/"| University of Tromsoe, Norway
Anthony J. Stuckey
>comp.os.linux.* reorg results - 1619 valid votes
> Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
>---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
>1337 167 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.advocacy
>1510 79 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.answers
>1516 64 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development.apps
>1520 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.hardware
>1518 65 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.networking
>1343 209 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.x
>1497 73 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development.system (replaces c.o.l.development)
>1404 158 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.setup (replaces c.o.l.admin)
>1310 211 : Yes Yes : Yes : REMOVE comp.os.linux.help (see proposal)
> 20 invalid votes
>All parts of the proposal passed, including the removal of comp.os.linux.help
>by renaming it to the existing comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup.
Well -- I understand the effect of these changes, but I still don't
understand the social side. There appeared to be real opposition to 4 of
the above proposals -- .advocacy, .x, .setup, and .help.
Why anyone would be opposed to an advocacy group, I'm not sure -- it's
the perfect place to redirect the followups for most of the dorks who
wander by to pick fights. Assuming you haven't kill-filed them already.
The X stuff simply doesn't fit under Linux, the setup proposal is the
most brain-dead of them all, and the .help group proposal seemed to me to
be silly and mostly a no-op.
So I guess what I'm asking is: why were people opposed to a reasonable
newsgroup, and more people not opposed to the proposals with lesser
utility?
--
Anthony J. Stuckey stu...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
"And if you frisbee-throw a universe where does it go?" -- Steve Blunt.
GCS/S -d+@ p c(++) l u+ e+(-) m+(*) s+++/-- !n h(*) f+ g+ w+ t+@ r y?
KiboNumber == 1
Nils Nieuwejaar
>
> Ian Kluft (ikl...@amdahl.com) wrote:
> > VOTING RESULTS
> > 3rd comp.os.linux Reorganization
> > PART 1 OF 3
>
> > Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
> > ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
> > 1343 209 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.x
> I think it is a major f**kup to create a duplicate group for X.
Then perhaps you should have voted.
daniel r. reitman, attorney to be
pet...@stud.cs.uit.no (Petter Reinholdtsen) writes:
>I think it is a major f**kup to create a duplicate group for X. The
>only X available for Linux is currently XFree 86 which have their own
>newsgroup called comp.windows.x.i386unix.
>What new info could col.x bring in, that did not belong in cwx.i386unix?
I know this sounds stupid, but why didn't you say anything before the vote?
:-)
Daniel Reitman
"Prior to this marvel of nature's power, a group of people in the Polson,
Montana, area were conducting business, unsuspecting that in a few days they
would have a rendezvous with nature. . . ."
Consolidated Dairies of Lake County v. American Abstract and Title Co., 193
Mont. 1, 2, 629 P.2d 770, 771 (1981) (ellipsis original) (setting aside
foreclosure sale during Mt. St. Helens state of emergency).
John Henders
>In article <1994Dec14.1...@news.uit.no>,
> pet...@stud.cs.uit.no (Petter Reinholdtsen) writes:
>>I think it is a major f**kup to create a duplicate group for X. The
>>only X available for Linux is currently XFree 86 which have their own
>>newsgroup called comp.windows.x.i386unix.
>>What new info could col.x bring in, that did not belong in cwx.i386unix?
>I know this sounds stupid, but why didn't you say anything before the vote?
I don't know if he did, but several others did. The counter
answer was that as most posters to the linux groups were too lazy or
stupid to find the correct group, it was easier to create a group for
them than suffer the multitudes of off topic XFree postings in all the
other linux groups.
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Dave Sill
I think it is a major f**kup to create a duplicate group for X. The
only X available for Linux is currently XFree 86 which have their own
newsgroup called comp.windows.x.i386unix.
Not true. There are at least two commercial X servers for Linux:
Accelerated X from Xinside, and Metro-X from Metro Link.
What new info could col.x bring in, that did not belong in cwx.i386unix?
C.w.x.i386 is really only for XFree86. C.o.l.x is for anything to
with X under Linux including free and commercial servers, clients,
window managers, etc. People posting generic XFree86 questions will
be referred to c.w.x.i386. If it serves no other purpose than to
be a magnet for XFree86 questions, it'll be worthwhile.
--
Dave Sill (d...@ornl.gov)
Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Workstation Support
URL http://www.digital.com/info/dsill.html