The Female Principle
The Sanity Inspector
-- James Thurber
Well, you can't make women happy, that's a kind of fundamental
law of the universe. You try and make them happy and they'll never
forgive you for revealing to them that they can't be.
-- Len Deighton, _Spy Story_
Two different things wanteth the true man: danger and
diversion. Therefore wanteth he woman, as the most dangerous
plaything.
-- Nietzsche, _Thus Spake Zarathustra_
There is no doubt that the world is kept young by women of all
ages. They mitigate the incurable solemnity of men.
-- James Douglas, _Down Shoe Lane_
Women in bulk are chastening. Great droves of the most
enticing beings in the world do not entice.
-- Frank Moore Colby, _The Colby Essays_, v. 1
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
--The Jam
The Sanity Inspector
is a slave. In the dark ages of Christianity she is a toy and a
sentimental goddess. With increasing moral light, and greater liberty,
and more universal justice, she begins to develop as an equal human
being.
-- George William Curtis, 19thC
The Sanity Inspector
clothing, flirt more outrageously, have more orgasms, and get on top
more often. In short, anything that's taboo to the islamofascists.
-- "shell", via http://armedndangerous.blogspot.com/2002_06_02_armedndangerous_archive.html#77315850
Dora M.
clingier clothing, flirt more outrageously, have more orgasms, and get
on top
> more often. In short, anything that's taboo to the islamofascists.
> -- "shell",
Back in the United States, "Victory Girls" gave free sex to soldiers
as their "patriotic duty." A 1942 conference of the American Social
Hygiene Association concluded that these promiscuous adolescents (most
were under 21 and many under 19) practiced "sexual delinquency of a
non-commercial character.[seeking] adventure and sociability." An Army
doctor blamed these young women for troops' high VD rates: "While
mothers are winning the war in the factories, their daughters are
losing it on the streets." The ill-defined "'victory girl' was usually
assumed to be a woman who pursued sexual relations with servicemen out
of a misplaced patriotism or a desire for excitement.
~ Joshua S. Goldstein, War and Gender: How Gender Shapes the War
System and Vice Versa (2001)
Dora M.
The Sanity Inspector
-- Erich Fromm
--
bruce
The dignfied don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam
tmw
> -- Erich Fromm
Mere feminine, delicate, Dresden china type of women get nowhere in business or
professional life. They marry millionaires, if they are lucky.
But if a woman is to make headway with men, she must be truly masculine.
~Jessie Tarbox Beals 1870-1942 -First woman news photographer, in Women On Top
(1978)
tmw
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The Sanity Inspector
were demeaning to women. A man who thus sniveled would be disciplined,
ridiculed, and perhaps thumped. Yet the military fell over itself to
apologize and investigate. Again, men are held accountable for their
indiscipline, but women are not. Men expect to adapt themselves to the
Army, but women expect the Army to adapt to them. And it does. The
male instinct is to keep women happy.
-- Fred Reed, http://www.fredoneverything.net/Accountability.html
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam
Frank Lynch
Inspector) wrote:
>Consider the female Marine officer who complained that morning runs
>were demeaning to women. A man who thus sniveled would be disciplined,
>ridiculed, and perhaps thumped. Yet the military fell over itself to
>apologize and investigate. Again, men are held accountable for their
>indiscipline, but women are not. Men expect to adapt themselves to the
>Army, but women expect the Army to adapt to them. And it does. The
>male instinct is to keep women happy.
>-- Fred Reed, http://www.fredoneverything.net/Accountability.html
Of -course- my wife and I talk. Here's how my part goes:
You're right.
I'm sorry.
Ebery once in awhile, just to keep her honest, I'll say, "I love you."
-- Blake Clark (from memory only)
Frank Lynch
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
http://www.samueljohnson.com/
Tom
> Of -course- my wife and I talk. Here's how my part goes:
> You're right.
> I'm sorry.
> Ebery once in awhile, just to keep her honest, I'll say, "I love you."
> -- Blake Clark (from memory only)
T-shirt I saw in a catalog just to-day:
BECAUSE I'M THE BOSS
...right, honey?
Tom Parsons
--
--
t...@panix.com | The greater the power,
| the more dangerous the abuse.
http://www.panix.com/~twp | --Edmund Burke
tmw
> were demeaning to women.
Mmmm!
Maybe there were photographers lurking trying to capture a picture of an exposed (or
erect) nipple / flopping boob ??? Or just a few young soldiers ogling and passing
*pointed* comments.....
>A man who thus sniveled would be disciplined,
> ridiculed, and perhaps thumped.
Or given a few thousand dollars drape the offending sight?
Different rules for different folks?
>Yet the military fell over itself to apologize and investigate.
So, do we prefer the military directives of the late sixties?
To enlist native help......treat natives like human beings..Respect personal
property, especially their women.
~1969 U.S. Army Field Manual.
tmw
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The Sanity Inspector
> > Consider the female Marine officer who complained that morning runs
> > were demeaning to women.
>
> Mmmm!
> Maybe there were photographers lurking trying to capture a picture of an exposed (or
> erect) nipple / flopping boob ??? Or just a few young soldiers ogling and passing
> *pointed* comments.....
>
> >A man who thus sniveled would be disciplined,
> > ridiculed, and perhaps thumped.
>
> Or given a few thousand dollars drape the offending sight?
> Different rules for different folks?
>
> >Yet the military fell over itself to apologize and investigate.
>
> So, do we prefer the military directives of the late sixties?
As a long-time collector of idiotic statements I've noticed that where
race once inspired the most sublime idiocies, today's Best Of are
inspired by women in the military. They are also much easier to find.
Key phrases fairly leap off the page: ``pregnant sailors . . .Army
called too aggressive . . . lighter and less dangerous hand grenades .
. . stepladders added to obstacle courses . . . a training program to
stamp out profanity at Fort Hood . . . the possibility of
single mothers taking babies to war . . . ''
These are statements to read through spread fingers, the way
jurors look at autopsy photos. Morning papers are especially dangerous
because sudden movements can make you spill hot coffee in your lap.
--Florence King
Pseudofeminists talk aggressiveness but practice timidity.
Take sexual harassment. Every time I turn on the news some woman is
describing, with murky insouciance, that terrible day ten years ago
when her self-esteem was shattered because her male boss kept looking
at her "body parts" instead of her face. A real feminist would say,
"I'm up here, Mr. Crabtree," and that would be the end of it. If you
say it right, you only have to say it once.
-- ibid
Grace McGarvie
Charlotte Bunch
Feminism's agenda is basic: it asks that women not be forced to "choose" between public justice
and private happiness. It asks that women be free to define themselves - instead of having their
identity defined for them, time and again, by their culture and their men. Susan Faludi
I became a feminist as an alternative to becoming a masochist. Sally Kempton
I am a feminist because I feel endangered, psychically and physically, by this society and
because I believe that the women's movement is saying that we have come to an edge of history
when men - insofar as they are embodiments of the patriarchical idea - have become dangerous to
children and other living things, themselves included. Adrienne Rich
I 'll be post-feminist in the post-patriarchy. Meg Sullivan
Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler
The feminist movement has helped open minds and kitchens to the notion that men can be at home on
the range. Rene Veaux
I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is. I only know that people call me a
feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat. Rebecca West
The Sanity Inspector wrote:
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"The language and concepts contained herein are guaranteed not to cause eternal torment in the
place where the guy with the horns and pointed stick conducts his business." Frank Zappa
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Ted Clayton
practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
--Pat Robertson at the 1992 Republican National Convention
"Most of these feminists are radical, frustrated lesbians,
many of them, and man-haters, and failures in their
relationships with men, and who have declared war on
the male gender. The Biblical condemnation of feminism
has to do with its radical philosophy and goals. That's the
bottom line."
--Jerry Falwell
They apparently believed this as recently as September of last year,
when the feminists got included in the list of people who pissed God off
and allowed Sept. 11 to happen.
Of course it looks like it's "forgive and forget" about Sept. 11 for the
radical so-called "Christian" right:
Islamic Bloc, Christian Right Team Up to Lobby U.N.
By Colum Lynch
Special to The Washington Post
Monday, June 17, 2002; Page A01
UNITED NATIONS -- Conservative U.S. Christian organizations have joined
forces with Islamic governments to halt the expansion of sexual and
political protections and rights for gays, women and children at United
Nations conferences.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html
This is shameful, but not surprising.
ObQuote, from the same story:
"This alliance shows the depths of perversity of the [U.S.] position,"
said Adrienne Germaine, president of the International Women's Health
Coalition. "On the one hand we're presumably blaming these countries for
unspeakable acts of terrorism, and at the same time we are allying
ourselves with them in the oppression of women."
Ted
H. E. Taylor
<clay...@cmich.edu> Ted Clayton wrote:
>[re feminism]
> Islamic Bloc, Christian Right Team Up to Lobby U.N.
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html
> [..]
> This is shameful, but not surprising.
>
> ObQuote, from the same story:
>
> "This alliance shows the depths of perversity of the [U.S.] position,"
> said Adrienne Germaine, president of the International Women's Health
> Coalition. "On the one hand we're presumably blaming these countries for
> unspeakable acts of terrorism, and at the same time we are allying
> ourselves with them in the oppression of women."
>
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20020620/cartoon20020620.gif
>[...]
>
<andiamo>
-het
--
"Challenge your preconceptions, or they will challenge you."
-olde Vulcan saying
Terror War News: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/terror_war/twartn.html
H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/
Elan Pavlov
So, you're a feminist. Isn't that cute.~T-shirt
The husband was prohibited to use any violence to his wife, aliter quam ad
virum, ex causa regiminis et castigationis uxoris suae, licited et
rationabiliter pertinet [other than what is reasonably necessary to the
discipline and correction of the wife]. The civil law gave the husband the same,
or a larger, authority over his wife; allowing him, for some misdemeanors,
flagellis et fustibus acriter verbare uxorem [to wound his wife severely with
whips and fists]; for others, only modicam castigationem adhibere [to apply
modest corrective punishment.
- Blackstone
His Honor was of the opinion that the defendant had a right to whip his wife
with a switch no larger than his thumb [and found the defendant not guilty]."
- State v. A.B. Rhodes_ (61 N.C. 453)
Animal rights activists gives disillusioned feminists an excuse to go
back to being women protecting wee creatures without compromising
their radical credentials.
--Florence King
If you want a high performance woman, I can go from zero to bitch in less than
2.1 seconds.
- Krystal Ann Kraus
And behind every man who's a failure there's a woman, too!
- John Ruge
The way to fight a woman is with your hat. Grab it and run.
- John Barrymore
When women kiss it always reminds one of prize fighters shaking hands.
- H.L. Mencken
Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same."
- Oscar Wilde
Women have a wonderful instinct about things. They can discover everything
except the obvious.
- Oscar Wilde
Elan
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All men are feminists now.
It's the only way to pull chicks.
- Rik Mayall
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>Feminism is an entire world view or gestalt, not just a laundry list of women's issues.
>Charlotte Bunch
>
>Feminism's agenda is basic: it asks that women not be forced to "choose" between public justice
>and private happiness. It asks that women be free to define themselves - instead of having their
>identity defined for them, time and again, by their culture and their men. Susan Faludi
Academic feminists have yet to adequately [...] reach
politically conservative yet "liberated" women, many of whom testify,
"I'm not a feminist, but ..." Some of those women may be feminists
without knowing it, although putting it that way implies a certain
condescension. Others are openly hostile to feminism. [...]
They will never take a women's-studies course, or read a
feminist book or magazine. If asked why, they will assure you it's
because feminism has nothing to say to them. More often than not, they
are right.
For all the time, energy, and ink we academic feminists have
expended on categorizing oppressions and defining what a woman (or a
feminist) is or isn't, exploring sex and gender, and delineating
distinct cultural perspectives, we have an alarming tendency to evade
one obvious fact. Feminists are a minority who speak for a majority of
women who cannot or will not hear us. It is as if we lack a common
language.
-- Mary Zeiss Stange, "The Political Intolerance of Academic
Feminism", _The Chronicle of Higher Education_, June 21, 2002,
http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i41/41b01601.htm
*amity*
.Army called too aggressive . . . lighter and less dangerous hand grenades .. .
stepladders added to obstacle courses . . . a training program to
stamp out profanity at Fort Hood . . . the possibility of single mothers taking
babies to war . . . ''
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
"I should like balls infinitely better," she said, "if they were carried on in a
different manner.... It would be surely be more rational if conversation instead of
dancing made the order of the day." To which her brother replied, "Much more
rational, I dare say, but it would not be near so much like a ball."
~Jane Austen, Caroline Bingley in Pride and Prejudice
amity
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
tmw
> They will never take a women's-studies course, or read a feminist book or magazine.
If asked why, they will assure you it's because feminism has nothing to say to them.
More often than not, they are right.
Having achieved (enough) equality they [the sell-out power feminists] declare the
battle won.... The overt rejection of feminism is akin to the denouement in Animal
Farm when the pigs move into the farmhouse; all women are equal but some are more
equal than others ..............only a minority of middle-class women come anywhere
near to 'having it all' and for women without partners, or whose partners are without
decent incomes, 'choice' or individual fulfilment is a fallacy
~ Aminatta Forna, in Natasha Walter (ed), On the Move: Feminism for a New
Generation (1999)
tmw
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David C Kifer
>
> Having achieved (enough) equality they [the sell-out power feminists] declare the
> battle won.... The overt rejection of feminism is akin to the denouement in Animal
> Farm when the pigs move into the farmhouse; all women are equal but some are more
> equal than others ..............only a minority of middle-class women come anywhere
> near to 'having it all' and for women without partners, or whose partners are without
> decent incomes, 'choice' or individual fulfilment is a fallacy
> ~ Aminatta Forna, in Natasha Walter (ed), On the Move: Feminism for a New
> Generation (1999)
All men or equal, but some are more equal than others... only a minority of
middle-class men come anywhere near to 'having it all' and for men without
partners, or whose partners are without decent incomes, 'choice' or
individual fulfillment is a fallacy.
That works just as well in both directions, it has to do with human nature
and economics, nothing to do with feminism and the war between the sexes,
except as it has been wrongly used as a [bad] example of male suppression
of females.
ObQ:
And behind every man who's a failure there's a woman, too!
--John Ruge
[p&e]
--
Dave
"Tam multi libri, tam breve tempus!"
(Et brevis pecunia.) [Et breve spatium.]
Ted Clayton
>>>. Others are openly hostile to feminism. [...]
>>>
>>They will never take a women's-studies course, or read a feminist book or magazine.
>>
> If asked why, they will assure you it's because feminism has nothing to say to them.
> More often than not, they are right.
There are none so deaf as those who will not hear. -- Mathew Henry
Ted
Graham Weeks
Ted Clayton wrote:
>
> There are none so deaf as those who will not hear. -- Mathew Henry
The previous time I posted this I was in hot water, but now i do not mind a good bath.
They say one tongue is enough for a woman.-- Matthew Henry, on hearing his sister was to
learn French
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tmw
> middle-class men come anywhere near to 'having it all' and for men without
> partners, or whose partners are without decent incomes, 'choice' or
> individual fulfillment is a fallacy.
> That works just as well in both directions, it has to do with human nature
> and economics, nothing to do with feminism and the war between the sexes, except as
it has been wrongly used as a [bad] example of male suppression of females
>.And behind every man who's a failure there's a woman, too!
--John Ruge
=========
Mere rhetoric as long as the economic st*tistics show such a disparity in
male/female average incomes in your country, my country and indeed world-wide.
However, I draw your attention to the fact that the quote in question was directed
towards feminists by feminists - the affluent power feminists who have *made it*
forgetting about the less fortunate of the sister-hood.
I posted it as a follow-up to Bruce's quote alluding to division in the feminist
ranks and NOT as an example of male suppression.
Mr Kifer, you are not trying to en-gender a flame war are you?
OBQ
Behind every successful man is a woman with a brush and shovel cleaning up the shit
he's too full of himself to notice
~Isla Dewar
:-)
tmw
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Elan Pavlov
David C Kifer <dki...@sky-access.com> writes:
>tmw wrote:
<snip>
>
>All men or equal, but some are more equal than others...
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
- Orwell
"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally."
- W.C. Fields
I refuse to consign the whole male sex to the nursery. I insist on
believing that some men are my equals.
- Brigid Brophy
Elan
---
A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.
- Gloria Steinem
David C Kifer
>
> > All men or equal, but some are more equal than others... only a minority of
> > middle-class men come anywhere near to 'having it all' and for men without
> > partners, or whose partners are without decent incomes, 'choice' or
> > individual fulfillment is a fallacy.
> > That works just as well in both directions, it has to do with human nature
> > and economics, nothing to do with feminism and the war between the sexes, except as
> it has been wrongly used as a [bad] example of male suppression of females
>
> >.And behind every man who's a failure there's a woman, too!
> --John Ruge
>
> =========
> Mere rhetoric as long as the economic st*tistics show such a disparity in
> male/female average incomes in your country, my country and indeed world-wide.
> However, I draw your attention to the fact that the quote in question was directed
> towards feminists by feminists - the affluent power feminists who have *made it*
> forgetting about the less fortunate of the sister-hood.
> I posted it as a follow-up to Bruce's quote alluding to division in the feminist
> ranks and NOT as an example of male suppression.
> Mr Kifer, you are not trying to en-gender a flame war are you?
888888888888
Naw, not me! I won't mention my well known dislike and disbelief of anything
related to human life that is said to be proven by "statistics". Aside from
the small detail that 99.99% of all statistics I have seen that aren't
completely invented are poorly collected, strangely manipulated, wrongly
interpreted, and very carefully selected to prove a predetermined point,
statistics are just one more attempt by collectivists to treat us all as
identical units, which we are not, and as a collected group instead of
individuals. But I digress...
Yes, I knew it was one feminist ranting at another, but her statement still
works just as well reversed as it did the way she wrote it.
> OBQ
> Behind every successful man is a woman with a brush and shovel cleaning up the shit
> he's too full of himself to notice
> ~Isla Dewar
>
> :-)
LOL!
At the moment, there is a large group of men trying to follow Martha
Stewart around with a brush and shovel, as she digs herself ever deeper
in the "pack reporting" mosh pit, because she picked the wrong time to
sell some stock!
ObQs:
Propaganda replaces moral philosophy.
--Hans J. Morgenthau
A propagandist is a specialist in selling attitudes and opinions.
--Hans Speier
tmw
>related to human life that is said to be proven by "statistics". Aside from
>the small detail that 99.99% of all statistics I have seen that aren't
>completely invented are poorly collected, strangely manipulated, wrongly
>interpreted, and very carefully selected to prove a predetermined point,
>statistics
I can agree with you re statistics to a point -especially when you are talking about
*proving* a pet theory with statistics.
As long as there are entrenched social and political distinctions between sexes,
races or classes there will be forms of science whose main function is to rationalise
and legitimise these distinctions.
~ Elizabeth Fee, Nineteenth Century Craniology: The Study of the Female Skull (1979)
>are just one more attempt by collectivists to treat us all as
>identical units, which we are not, and as a collected group instead of
>individuals.
While careless/biased sampling can be used to support any hypothesis, Census data
attempts to collate data not to push any barrow , but rather to stream-line
Government/private enterprise decision-making in areas such as education, health care
and employment. (And whether or not a Government, for example, should have that role
is irrelevant to a discussion on the efficacy of statistics!)
A Census does attempt a very comprehensive *sample*
Data! Data! Data! I can't make bricks without clay!
~ Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
AQ Survey
1. Census results which indicate the female average income is less than the male
average income are
a. invented b. incorrectly obtained c.distorted d. wrongly interpreted
Circle one or more (If you circled all choices - go to 2.)
2. I am a. paranoid. b. idealistic c. male (If you circled all - go to 3)
3. I have a moustache True/False
tmw
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shared with usenet this thought:
>AQ Survey
>1. Census results which indicate the female average income is less than the male
>average income are
>a. invented b. incorrectly obtained c.distorted d. wrongly interpreted
>Circle one or more (If you circled all choices - go to 2.)
>2. I am a. paranoid. b. idealistic c. male (If you circled all - go to 3)
>3. I have a moustache True/False
There were a number of assaults on the Painfully Obvious this
year. Among them was a study which found that women who take time off
from their careers to raise families, take time off from their
careers.
-- P. J. O'Rourke, _Rolling Stone_ year-end issue, 1986 or 7.
Wording's slightly approx.
David C Kifer
>
> >I won't mention my well known dislike and disbelief of anything
> >related to human life that is said to be proven by "statistics". Aside from
> >the small detail that 99.99% of all statistics I have seen that aren't
> >completely invented are poorly collected, strangely manipulated, wrongly
> >interpreted, and very carefully selected to prove a predetermined point,
> >statistics
>
> I can agree with you re statistics to a point -especially when you are
> talking about *proving* a pet theory with statistics.
Anyone using statistics to prove a point is doing just that.
> As long as there are entrenched social and political distinctions between
> sexes, races or classes there will be forms of science whose main function
> is to rationalise and legitimise these distinctions.
> ~ Elizabeth Fee, Nineteenth Century Craniology: The Study of the Female Skull (1979)
And there will always be distinctions between people of both sexes, all races
and classes, until and unless the human race becomes mongrel hermaphrodites,
but there will still be a class difference, between the peasants and the
aristocrats. Until humans become identical robots, there will be social and
political differences, because individual people want different things.
> >are just one more attempt by collectivists to treat us all as
> >identical units, which we are not, and as a collected group instead of
> >individuals.
>
> While careless/biased sampling can be used to support any hypothesis, Census data
> attempts to collate data not to push any barrow , but rather to stream-line
> Government/private enterprise decision-making in areas such as education, health care
> and employment. (And whether or not a Government, for example, should have that role
> is irrelevant to a discussion on the efficacy of statistics!)
> A Census does attempt a very comprehensive *sample*
Census data is not statistics until it is sorted, manipulated, compared,
and massaged. Some of it is invented, by people who were afraid to just
leave the questions blank, but didn't want to put the real answers down.
Others do leave the questions blank. Statistical methods are used to try
to correct for both of those events, changing the data, but not making it
any more true.
Once all that questionable data is massaged by the Census statisticians,
and various and sundry bits and pieces and this number and that is pulled
out to illustrate [prove] a point, it is no different than any other set of
statistics in its misuse and abuse.
The government [is] extremely fond of amassing great quantities of statistics.
These are raised to the nth degree, the cube roots are extracted, and the
results are arranged into elaborate and impressive displays. What must be
kept ever in mind, however, is that in every case, the figures are first put
down by a village watchman, and he puts down anything he damn well pleases.
-- Sir Josiah Stamp
> Data! Data! Data! I can't make bricks without clay!
> ~ Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
Sherlock did not use statistical analysis.
> AQ Survey
> 1. Census results which indicate the female average income is less than the male
> average income are
> a. invented b. incorrectly obtained c.distorted d. wrongly interpreted
> Circle one or more (If you circled all choices - go to 2.)
> 2. I am a. paranoid. b. idealistic c. male (If you circled all - go to 3)
> 3. I have a moustache True/False
LOL!
That's a good one!
Try an Alternate Survey:
1. People who believe statistics that support their pet ideology are
a. strange b. believe figures don't lie c. think everything they learned in
college is true d. blonde [if you circled any of these - go to 2]
2. I am a. paranoid b. idealistic c. female [if you circled any - go to 3]
3. I have a moustache T/F
:-)>
[p&e]
tmw
Distinctions are fine..using the distinction for unfair discrimination and/or abuses
is a different matter. When stats are manipulated to do that I have more objections
> > Data! Data! Data! I can't make bricks without clay!
> > ~ Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
> Sherlock did not use statistical analysis.
By whose definition?
I believe the quote stands as relevant.
Detailed studies on cheese and human behaviour show that there are different
approaches to finding mould spots on cheese in the refrigerator.
Some threw out the whole packet of cheese immediately, while others sliced off the
offensive parts and re-used the rest in a recipe.
A small number actually ate the cheese mould and all (with no obvious ill-effects)
Research also indicated that there were a few who threw out the whole contents of
their fridge and turned off the power to avoid any contamination ever re-occurring.
OBQ
You may not call me naive.
If you must label me, you may call me "not cynical"
~Molly Brodsky
tmw
> year. Among them was a study which found that women who take time off
> from their careers to raise families, take time off from their
> careers.
> -- P. J. O'Rourke, _Rolling Stone_ year-end issue, 1986 or 7.
> Wording's slightly approx.
Love it!
Mr Kifer, for one, would be very impressed to know that, long long ago, I received a
Distinction in Statistics and that my forte was unbiased survey design.
We amused ourselves designing questionnaires for our researchers to produce exactly
the results they wanted.
( I still can't help pulling to pieces any survey I am required to complete)
OBQ
Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary a qualification for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write.
~H.G. Wells
tmw
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David C Kifer
>
> > And there will always be distinctions between people of both sexes, all
> > races and classes, until and unless the human race becomes mongrel <snip>
>
> Distinctions are fine..using the distinction for unfair discrimination
> and/or abuses is a different matter. When stats are manipulated to do
> that I have more objections
Since there will always be those who believe, or claim to believe, that any
distinction is automatically unfair discrimination, there is no different
matter.
> > > Data! Data! Data! I can't make bricks without clay!
> > > ~ Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
> > Sherlock did not use statistical analysis.
>
> By whose definition?
> I believe the quote stands as relevant.
By my definition, of course! :-)>
Isn't that what this thread is all about? Differences in definitions?
Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else.
--Ambrose Bierce, _Devil's Dictionary_
> Detailed studies on cheese and human behaviour show that there are different
> approaches to finding mould spots on cheese in the refrigerator.
> Some threw out the whole packet of cheese immediately, while others sliced
> off the offensive parts and re-used the rest in a recipe.
> A small number actually ate the cheese mould and all (with no obvious
> ill-effects)
> Research also indicated that there were a few who threw out the whole
> contents of their fridge and turned off the power to avoid any contamination
> ever re-occurring.
Still others simply refused to ever buy cheese! :-)>
And who cares, how many did which?
> OBQ
> You may not call me naive.
> If you must label me, you may call me "not cynical"
> ~Molly Brodsky
CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as
they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a
cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
--Ambrose Bierce, Devil's Dictionary
tmw
> distinction is automatically unfair discrimination, there is no different
> matter
What a cop-out! <LOL>
One need not take responsibility for any actions or behaviour holding that
premise... nor does one have to bother actually debating issues.
OBQ
I believe comic book heroes walk the earth, I believe you are one of those
individuals. It's time for someone like you.
~ M Night Shyamalan, script, Unbreakable (2000) -Samuel L. Jackson to Bruce Willis
tmw
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The Fantasy Contessa
bath.
> They say one tongue is enough for a woman.-- Matthew Henry, on hearing his sister
was to learn French
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Women whose tongues won't stay in their mouths are the sexiest.
~ John Updike, Couples
but then again,
His tongue is well-hung
~English saying
The Fantasy Contessa
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> -- Fred Reed, http://www.fredoneverything.net/Accountability.html
More from "Right-wing Fred Said," or whatever :
-----
Men of today's older generation grew up in the chivalric miasma of
their time, which held that women were morally superior to men, and
that civilized men protected women against any available vicissitude.
A corollary was that women needed protecting. So common has this
understanding been throughout history that one may suspect it of being
based in ancient instinct: In a less hospitable world, if men didn't
protect women, something disagreeable would eat them, and then there
would be no more people. So men did. And do.
--Fred Reed
And today, Fred, your worst nightmare has been realized: some of
them dang women are just eatin' _themselves_!
Instincts have consequences, particularly when the circumstances
requiring them cease to exist.
Because women were until recently subordinate, and in large part
played the role of gentility assigned to them, men didn't recognize
that they could be dangerous, selfish, or sometimes outright vipers.
They were no worse than men, but neither were they better. Men
believed, as did women, that women were tender creatures, caring,
kind, and suited to be mothers. Males deferred to women in many
things, which didn't matter because the things women wanted were not
important.
--ibid
Hey Fred, ever read the Bible?
When women came into a degree of power, it turned out that they were
as immoral, or amoral, as men, probably more self-centered, and out
for what they could get. Not all were, of course, as neither were all
men, but suddenly this became the central current. This too followed
lines of instinctual plausibility: Women took care of children and
themselves, and men took care of women. It made sense that they should
be self-centered.
--ibid
_ Now_ I understand Ayn Rand.
These newly empowered women knew, as women have always known, how to
wield charm, and they quickly learned to enjoy power. The men of the
old school didn't notice in time. They deferred, and they were
blind-sided. They gave gentlemanly agreement to one-sided laws hostile
to men.
--ibid
So in one generation women went from barefoot and pregnant,
helpless babymakers to dangerous, selfish, power-drunk, mostly immoral
yet always charming political activists, who took advantage of those
poor anachronistic slobs stuck in the age of chivalry and prehistoric
behavior, i.e. the Conservatives.
Political deference became a pattern. It remains a pattern. It
probably springs in part from the male's instinctive recognition that,
by giving women what they want, he gets laid. Between individuals this
worked tolerably well, but less so when applied to abstract groups.
--ibid
Fortunately in prehistoric times women only wanted babies. And
maybe a fur coat. Group orgies were in the distant future.
When women said they wanted protection against dead-beat dads, the old
school fell for it. They were attuned to saving maidens and the
sheltering from life's storms of white Christian motherhood.
"Dead-beat dads" was of course that sure-fire political winner -- an
alliterative slogan of few words that embodied a conclusion but no
analysis. So sure were men that women were the kinder gentler sex that
they never bothered to look at the statistics on abuse of children,
or the track records of the sexes in raising children.
--ibid
Did he say _STATISTICS_ ? Well, dey's good statistics, and
dey's bad statistics.
-----
--Flash
Graham Weeks
Flash wrote:
>
> > -- Fred Reed, http://www.fredoneverything.net/Accountability.html
>
> More from "Right-wing Fred Said," or whatever :
> -----
> Men of today's older generation grew up in the chivalric miasma of
> their time, which held that women were morally superior to men, and
> that civilized men protected women against any available vicissitude.
> A corollary was that women needed protecting. So common has this
> understanding been throughout history that one may suspect it of being
> based in ancient instinct: In a less hospitable world, if men didn't
> protect women, something disagreeable would eat them, and then there
> would be no more people. So men did. And do.
> --Fred Reed
I can identify with that. It is why some of us do not want females in the
military front line .
>
> Instincts have consequences, particularly when the circumstances
> requiring them cease to exist.
>
> Because women were until recently subordinate, and in large part
> played the role of gentility assigned to them, men didn't recognize
> that they could be dangerous, selfish, or sometimes outright vipers.
> They were no worse than men, but neither were they better. Men
> believed, as did women, that women were tender creatures, caring,
> kind, and suited to be mothers. Males deferred to women in many
> things, which didn't matter because the things women wanted were not
> important.
> --ibid
>
> Hey Fred, ever read the Bible?
>
He was not thinking about Jezebel or Delilah, nor one of my favorite
ladies.
Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, "Come, my lord, come right
in. Don't be afraid." So he entered her tent, and she put a covering over
him. "I'm thirsty," he said. "Please give me some water." She opened a
skin of milk, gave him a drink, and covered him up. "Stand in the doorway
of the tent," he told her. "If someone comes by and asks you, `Is anyone
here?' say `No.'" But Jael, Heber's wife, picked up a tent peg and a
hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She
drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died. Judg.
4:18-21 NIV
The KJV is better with, "She brought him butter in a lordly dish".
You see why we do not want women in the front line? They fight dirty.
--
Graham J Weeks M.R.Pharm.S.
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Graham Weeks
Flash wrote:
>
>
> > -- Fred Reed, http://www.fredoneverything.net/Accountability.html
>
You missed out his perceptive conclusions.
Today men are accountable
for their behavior. Women are not. The lack of
accountability, seldom
clearly recognized, is the bedrock of much of today's
feminist misbehavior,
influence, and politics. Its pervasiveness is worth
pondering.
A man who sires children and
leaves is called a dead-beat dad, and
persecuted. A woman who has
seven children out of wedlock and no capacity
to raise them is not a
criminal, but a victim. He is accountable for his
misbehavior, but she is not
for hers. It is often thus.
Consider the female Marine
officer who complained that morning runs were
demeaning to women. A man
who thus sniveled would be disciplined,
ridiculed, and perhaps
thumped. Yet the military fell over itself to apologize
and investigate. Again, men
are held accountable for their indiscipline, but
women are not. Men expect to
adapt themselves to the Army, but women
expect the Army to adapt to
them. And it does. The male instinct is to keep
women happy.
Note that a woman who brings
charges of sexual harassment against a man
suffers no, or minor,
consequences if the charges are found to be unfounded --
i.e., made up. A man who
lied about a woman's misbehavior would be sacked.
He is accountable. She
isn't.
Yes, large numbers of women
are responsible, competent, and agreeable. Few
engage in the worst abuses,
as for example the fabrication of sexual
harassment. Yet they can do
these things. A man cannot throw a fit and get
his way. A woman can. Only a
few need misbehave to poison the air and set
society on edge. And the
many profit by the misbehavior of the few.
People will do what they can
get away with. Men assuredly will, and so are
restrained by law. Women are
not. Here is the root of much evil, for society,
children, men and, yes,
women.
William C Waterhouse
> > > > ~ Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
> > > Sherlock did not use statistical analysis.
There is one place where Holmes clearly uses the results
of a statistical study, in "Adventure of the Dancing Men":
"...As you are aware, E is the most common
letter in the English alphabet, and it predominates to so marked
an extent that even in a short sentence one would expect to find
it most often. Out of fifteen symbols in the first message, four
were the same, so it was reasonable to set this down as E. It is
true that in some cases the figure was bearing a flag, and in some
cases not, but it was probable, from the way in which the flags
were distributed, that they were used to break the sentence up
into words. I accepted this as a hypothesis, and noted that E was
represented by ~.
"But now came the real difficulty of the inquiry. The order of
the English letters after E is by no means well marked, and any
preponderance which may be shown in an average of a printed
sheet may be reversed in a single short sentence. Speaking
roughly, T, A, 0, I, N, S, H, R, D, and L are the numerical
order in which letters occur; but T, A, 0, and I are very nearly
abreast of each other, and it would be an endless task to try each
combination until a meaning was arrived at. I therefore waited
for fresh material."
William C. Waterhouse
Penn State
The Sanity Inspector
Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
-- Florence King, http://www.nationalreview.com/king/king.asp
Frank Lynch
Sanity Inspector) wrote:
> Why there is no lesbian equivalent of the female impersonator:
>Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
>you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
>instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
> -- Florence King, http://www.nationalreview.com/king/king.asp
Let's rent her the Steve Martin-Lily Tomlin flick "All of Me" - - that
scene in court where Martin acts like a woman impersonating a man
still cracks me up!
ObQuote:
A man should be careful never to tell tales of himself to his own
disadvantage. People may be amused and laugh at the time, but they
will be remembered, and brought out against him upon some subsequent
occasion.
-- Samuel Johnson (Boswell: Life of Johnson)
Frank Lynch
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
http://www.samueljohnson.com/
Andrew Chaplin
news:3d2d7903...@news.mindspring.com...
> Why there is no lesbian equivalent of the female impersonator:
> Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
> you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
> instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
> -- Florence King, http://www.nationalreview.com/king/king.asp
Hmm, Ms. King has never seen "Dakey Dunn" on _This Hour has 22 Minutes_.[1]
'Could a news editorial get away with a rant like that of Dakey Dunn (Mary
Walsh), who sarcastically protests the innocence of the libidinous Frank
Moores in the Airbus Affair? "As parasitic multimillionaires go, you could
not find one better. And now they say that fearless fornicator is just
another Ottawa swindler." Nay, sez Dakey, "he's been very busy answering the
siren song that sings in the blood consciousness of every man. Boom, boom,
boom let's go up to my room!"'
-- Toronto _Sun_ television critic Jim Slotek, 16 March 1998
[1] _This Hour has 22 Minutes_ is a satirical look at current events dreamt
up by four Newfoundlanders working out of Halifax and is run on the CBC.
They use tabloid ambush tactics and have skewered the PM, provincial
premiers and federal ministers live and in public. If they would only
publish their scripts there would be some very good fodder for this
newsgroup.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out, and
change "home" to "rogers".)
tmw
> Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
> you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
> instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
I am mildly curious about the use of *lesbian* here rather than *female*.
Would a female performer who chose to mimic a male necessarily need to be
homosexual?
OBQ
If I saw Barry Humphries, I'd think of him as Edna in male drag.
~?
tmw
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Elan Pavlov
choll...@mindspring.com (The Sanity Inspector) writes:
> Why there is no lesbian equivalent of the female impersonator:
>Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
>you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
>instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
> -- Florence King, http://www.nationalreview.com/king/king.asp
>
A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's. She changes it more often.
- Oliver Herford
A woman will lie about anything, just to stay in practice.
- Phillip Marlowe
Behind every great man, there is a surprised woman.
- Maryon Pearson
Elan
---
The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words the male
is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient,
emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional
cripples.
- Valerie Solanos
Dora M
> - Phillip Marlowe
A woman will almost never tell you the truth, while most men defendants
will. Women have a furtive concealing nature, and to some extent they're
pathological liars who can conceive of situations that never existed.
~James D.C. Murray in NY World Telegram & Sun (Sept 8 1956)
Regards
Dora M
William C Waterhouse
choll...@mindspring.com (The Sanity Inspector) writes:
> Because there's nothing to do. If you want to impersonate a man, all
> you have to do is sit still, stick to the subject, and say things once
> instead of three times. This lacks entertainment value.
> -- Florence King, http://www.nationalreview.com/king/king.asp
Apparently one of the gaps in Ms. King's knowledge is
opera, in which adolescent boys are regularly portrayed by
adult women (who often find they need a good deal of rehearsal time
to make the portrayal realistic). In Strauss's _Der Rosenkavalier_, in
fact, the mezzo playing the adolescent Octavian must spend the first
half of the last act showing Octavian pretending to be a girl.
Cherubino, in Mozart's _Marriage of Figaro_, also does that
for a short time. And of course, in almost all stagings of
Shakespeare after 1660, roles like Rosalind and Viola are performed
by women who pretend to be men for much of the play.
I echo the comment by tmw that this has nothing much to do with lesbians.
William C. Waterhouse
Penn State
ObQuote:
Cherubin. This role can only be played, as it has been, by a
very pretty young woman. We have no boy actors on our stages
young enough for the part and sufficiently mature to handle
its subtleties.
--- Beaumarchais, description of the characters in the
original play _Le Mariage de Figaro_
Graham J Weeks
tmw wrote:
>
> If I saw Barry Humphries, I'd think of him as Edna in male drag.
> ~?
He bears little resemblance to her save for his outrageous humour. I had a
customer who had acted with him on stage in Oliver. When the lady who
chaperoned the boys in the play was leaving they had a farewell party at
which BH said he was glad she was going as now he could molest the boys.
Sheila Dundee
> customer who had acted with him on stage in Oliver. When the lady who
> chaperoned the boys in the play was leaving they had a farewell party at
> which BH said he was glad she was going as now he could molest the boys.
At night, dead on eight, as I tapped away at my typewriter, I was
interrupted by a curious humming noise. It was me singing under my breath,
the overture to *Oliver!* a tune which has never completely flushed from the
uttermost ventricle of my memory. Today, every time I do a new show it
returns to me just before the curtain rises, like a virus. It is in my
system like herpes.
~ Barry Humphries, More Please: An Autobiography (1992)
Having men impersonate women doesn't disturb people as much as it does here.
Fortunately, they sent the convicts to Australia and the Puritans to
America.
~ Barry Humphries, interview, Harvard Gazette
Sheila Dundee
***********************
The Sanity Inspector
growing strength of that people ought mainly to be attributed, I
should reply: To the superiority of their women.
-- Alexis de Tocqueville, _Democracy in America_
tmw
> growing strength of that people ought mainly to be attributed, I
> should reply: To the superiority of their women.
> -- Alexis de Tocqueville, _Democracy in America_
American women are charming - but American men -alas!
~Oscar Wilde (1882) quoted in Hesketh Pearson, The Life of Oscar Wilde
(1946)
tmw
=====================
Tom
> A woman will lie about anything, just to stay in practice.
> - Phillip Marlowe
Oh, oh, Kinsey Millhone! There's your exemplar!!
(For the benefit of the mystery-story-deprived, Kinsey Millhone is the
female detective in Sue Grafton's crimis. She (Kinsey) lies all the time,
frequently just for the fun of it, frequently to stay in practice.)
> The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words the
> male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be
> deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males
> are emotional cripples.
> - Valerie Solanos
I suppose I should dismiss this as feminist ranting, but...I don't know...I
sort of think she may be right. Or at any rate not entirely wrong. I've
seen so many males like this.
Tom Parsons
--
-- The unconscious mind of man sees
t...@panix.com | correctly even when conscious
| reason is blind & impotent.
http://www.panix.com/~twp | --Carl Gustav Jung
Penelope A. Sykes
be
> > deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and
males
> > are emotional cripples.
> > - Valerie Solanos
>
> I suppose I should dismiss this as feminist ranting, but...I don't
know...I
> sort of think she may be right. Or at any rate not entirely wrong. I've
> seen so many males like this.
Perhaps it would be more correct to recognise hormones play crucial role in
determining the sex of the child, otherwise in humans the natural default is
female. Your observations may be reflecting a situation mentioned in the
second quote listed.
OBQs
If the embryo is genetically female, nothing very drastic happens to the
basic pattern of the brain. In broad terms, the natural template of the
brain seems to be female. In normal girls it will develop naturally along
female lines.In boys it is different. Just as male gender depended on the
presence of male hormone, so a radical intervention is needed to change that
naturally female brain structure into a male pattern. This literally
mind-altering process is the result of the same process that determined
those other physical changes - the intervention of the hormones.
~ Moir and Jessell, Brain Sex; The Real Difference between Men and Women
(1992)
A male foetus may have enough male hormones to trigger the development of
male sex organs, but these may not be able to produce the additional male
hormones to push the brain into the male pattern.
~ibid
You should bear in mind that some day all our provisional formulations in
psychology will have to be based on a organic foundation ... It will then
probably be seen that it is special chemical substances and processed which
achieve the effects of sexuality ...
~Sigmund Freud
---Penelope A. Sykes
Graham J Weeks
Tom wrote:
> Elan Pavlov <el...@spammenotkanga.cs.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
> > The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words the
> > male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be
> > deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males
> > are emotional cripples.
> > - Valerie Solanos
>
> I suppose I should dismiss this as feminist ranting, but...I don't know...I
> sort of think she may be right. Or at any rate not entirely wrong. I've
> seen so many males like this.
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a
helper suitable for him." - Gen. 2:18
On Monday my wife and younger daughter go away on holiday together. I look
forward to finding out how crippled I am. Katy insists on leaving me
instructions as to how to operate the washing machine. Why would I want to?
There will also be a detailed schedule of plant care. Now to that I will agree
,as happiness is sitting in the garden with pipe and pint looking at my wife's
work with the flowers. She has a stone plaque in the garden given by our
sister in law, On top of it, looking over to the reader is a pig with the
inscription beneath, "My husband is a male chauvinist pig".
Honk, honk!
Moi? I am merely a cuddly chivalrous patriarchalist. looking forward to the
unaccustomed liberty of pipe smoking in both house and garden.
Dora M
> work with the flowers. She has a stone plaque in the garden given by our
> sister in law, On top of it, looking over to the reader is a pig with the
> inscription beneath, "My husband is a male chauvinist pig".
A self-identified beer- swigging, pipe- chomping male chauvinist pig Pom.
This may explain why Sheila Dundee stated she couldn't live with you in a
*pink fit*.
Some women just can't accept their role :-(
OBQ
Boys are sent out into the world to buffet with its temptations, to mingle
with bad and good, to govern and direct..girls are to dwell in quite homes
among few friends, to exercise a noiseless influence.
~Elizabeth Missing Sewell
Regards
Dora M
Graham J Weeks
Dora M wrote:
>
> A self-identified beer- swigging, pipe- chomping male chauvinist pig Pom.
> This may explain why Sheila Dundee stated she couldn't live with you in a
> *pink fit*.
> Some women just can't accept their role :-(
>
> OBQ
> Boys are sent out into the world to buffet with its temptations, to mingle
> with bad and good, to govern and direct..girls are to dwell in quite homes
> among few friends, to exercise a noiseless influence.
> ~Elizabeth Missing Sewell
>
I am very fond of the company of ladies. I like their beauty, I like their
delicacy, I like their vivacity, and I like their silence. Samuel Johnson
In the garden this morning, Katy was picking flowers for church tomorrow I was
enjoying a pipe while reading "The Reformation in England". I felt sympathy
for Queen Catherine but did not help Kathryn. She went off in a huff.
Elan Pavlov
"Dora M" <Do...@chariotXCAPS.net.au> writes:
>> happiness is sitting in the garden with pipe and pint looking at my wife's
>> work with the flowers. She has a stone plaque in the garden given by our
>> sister in law, On top of it, looking over to the reader is a pig with the
>> inscription beneath, "My husband is a male chauvinist pig".
>..................................
The average woman must inevitably view her actual husband with a certain
disdain; he is anything but her ideal. In consequence, she cannot help
feeling that her children are cruelly handicapped by the fact that he is
their father.
- H.L. Mencken
>A self-identified beer- swigging, pipe- chomping male chauvinist pig Pom.
>This may explain why Sheila Dundee stated she couldn't live with you in a
>*pink fit*.
>Some women just can't accept their role :-(
>
>OBQ
>Boys are sent out into the world to buffet with its temptations, to mingle
>with bad and good, to govern and direct..girls are to dwell in quite homes
>among few friends, to exercise a noiseless influence.
>~Elizabeth Missing Sewell
When God saw how faulty was man He tried again and made woman. As to
why he then stopped there are two opinions. One of them is woman's.
- DeGourmont
Elan
---
To be considered successful, a woman must be much better at her job
than a man would have to be. Fortunately, this isn't difficult.
David C Kifer
Where did Sewell go, that Elizabeth is Missing him?
:-)>
Absence diminishes little passions and increases great ones, as wind
extinguishes candles and fans a fire.
--François de la Rochefoucauld
Daniel P. B. Smith
> > The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words the
> > male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be
> > deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males
> > are emotional cripples.
> > - Valerie Solanos
>
> I suppose I should dismiss this as feminist ranting, but...I don't know...I
> sort of think she may be right. Or at any rate not entirely wrong. I've
> seen so many males like this.
I think it's biologically correct... certainly the first sentence is
correct, and from that one might infer that the female is the "normal"
exemplar of the species and the male is sort of aberrant.
I think "walking abortion" and "deficient, emotionally limited" is going
a bit too far, though...
I'm trying to remember what I've read about it... it's been a long
time... but think there was some fairly solid evidence that almost every
measure of _variability_ is higher for men then for women. The
biological demands on men are lower then on women--there's a lot more
tolerance for error--and selection therefore doesn't act as strongly.
--
Daniel P. B. Smith
dpbs...@theworld.com
Tom
> In article <ahso47$9rf$7...@reader3.panix.com>, Tom <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>> > The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words
>> > the male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male
>> > is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency
>> > disease and males are emotional cripples.
>> > - Valerie Solanos
>>
>> I suppose I should dismiss this as feminist ranting, but...I don't
>> know...I sort of think she may be right. Or at any rate not entirely
>> wrong. I've seen so many males like this.
> I think it's biologically correct... certainly the first sentence is
> correct, and from that one might infer that the female is the "normal"
> exemplar of the species and the male is sort of aberrant.
I think a publication proposing this theory is cited in Gide's _Corydon_.
> ...I'm trying to remember what I've read about it... it's been a long
> time... but think there was some fairly solid evidence that almost every
> measure of _variability_ is higher for men then for women. The
> biological demands on men are lower then on women--there's a lot more
> tolerance for error--and selection therefore doesn't act as strongly.
Well, at the risk of stating the obvious, two X chromosomes provide
redundancey that an XY pair lacks. There's a whole bunch of sex-linked
recessive traits in which the probability of the woman's possessing one is
the square of the probability of a man's possessing it. Color blindness
is one well-known example.
The biological demands are indeed lower, which is why we are the risk-taking
sex: once we've performed our little biological trick, the species doesn't
need us. Or not nearly as urgently as it needs the female.
Tom
Elan Pavlov
"Daniel P. B. Smith" <dpbs...@bellatlantic.net> writes:
>In article <ahso47$9rf$7...@reader3.panix.com>, Tom <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>I'm trying to remember what I've read about it... it's been a long
>time... but think there was some fairly solid evidence that almost every
>measure of _variability_ is higher for men then for women. The
>biological demands on men are lower then on women--there's a lot more
>tolerance for error--and selection therefore doesn't act as strongly.
Arthur C . Clarke - Dragons of Eden?
It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable
for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing,
and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn
itself into anything.
- G K Chesterton
Elan
---
Reading computer manuals without the hardware is as frustrating as reading sex
manuals with out the software"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Elan Pavlov
Tom <t...@panix.com> writes:
>Daniel P. B. Smith <dpbs...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>> In article <ahso47$9rf$7...@reader3.panix.com>, Tom <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>The biological demands are indeed lower, which is why we are the risk-taking
>sex: once we've performed our little biological trick, the species doesn't
>need us. Or not nearly as urgently as it needs the female.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
- Kipling (The full version can be found e.g.
http://www.dvmen.org/dv-61.htm#pgfId-997347)
Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet. Then all things
are at risk . . . The very hope of man, the thoughts of his heart, the religion
of nations, the manners and morals of mankind are all at the mercy of a new
generalization.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Elan
---
The soldier is not a man of violence. He carries arms and risks his life for
mistakes not of his making. He has the merit of being unflinchingly true to his
word to the end, while knowing that he will be forgotten.
- Antoine de Saint-Expury
Nathanael Thompson
<dpbsmith-E32914...@news.fu-berlin.de>, Daniel P. B. Smith posted
this to a.q.:
>> > The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words the
>> > male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be
>> > deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males
>> > are emotional cripples.
>> > - Valerie Solanos
Former fetus and infanticide escapee, here. :-P
>I'm trying to remember what I've read about it... it's been a long
>time... but think there was some fairly solid evidence that almost every
>measure of _variability_ is higher for men then for women. The
>biological demands on men are lower then on women--there's a lot more
>tolerance for error--and selection therefore doesn't act as strongly.
IIRC, this was mentioned in _The Bell Curve_ written by Herrnstein and Murray.
ObQuote:
"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another."
--H. L. Mencken
_A Mencken Chrestomathy_ (1949)
-+-
Nate Thompson
"The Indian knew how to live without wants, to suffer without complaint, and to
die singing."
--Tocqueville
First there is no Colonel, then there is
> Dora M wrote:
> >
> > ~Elizabeth Missing Sewell
>
> Where did Sewell go, that Elizabeth is Missing him?
He was looking for Curtis Hidden Page (1870-1946).
-:-
"To what do I owe the honor of this unexpected visit, Lord
Ruthven . . . alias Lyford Pemberton!"
H. C. Artmann, "Tom Parker, International Detective"
--
Col. G. L. Sicherman
col...@mail.monmouth.com
Tom
> Apparently one of the gaps in Ms. King's knowledge is opera, in which
> adolescent boys are regularly portrayed by adult women (who often find
> they need a good deal of rehearsal time to make the portrayal realistic).
> In Strauss's _Der Rosenkavalier_, in fact, the mezzo playing the
> adolescent Octavian must spend the first half of the last act showing
> Octavian pretending to be a girl. Cherubino, in Mozart's _Marriage of
> Figaro_, also does that for a short time.
During the primacy of the ballerina in the 19th century, women frequently
danced male roles, simply because they could draw audiences as male dancers
couldn't. This kind of dancing was termed, not surprisingly, *en travesti.*
I have, somewhere, a funny looking picture of a 19th-century French star
dressed as an Arab, with an absurd little grease-pencil moustache & goatee
on her obvioiusly feminine face.
> And of course, in almost all stagings of Shakespeare after 1660, roles
> like Rosalind and Viola are performed by women who pretend to be men for
> much of the play.
...which was a twist, because before that time, female roles were per-
formed by boys. (Robertson Davies's master's thesis at Oxford was titled,
"Shakespeare's Boy Actors." It was published in book form just before
the outbreak of WW II. The books were pulped because of a paper shortage,
& copies are rare in consequence & command premium prices.)
Tom Parsons
Tom
> deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.
> - Valerie Solanos
My wife's comment, upon reading this: In that case, males should be
entitled to protection under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
Graham J Weeks
Tom wrote:
> > To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a
> > deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.
> > - Valerie Solanos
>
> My wife's comment, upon reading this: In that case, males should be
> entitled to protection under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
Would it matter if the man was disabled with or without a wife?
The Sanity Inspector
<wee...@REMOVEdircon.co.uk> just wrote!
>
>
>Tom wrote:
>
>> > To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a
>> > deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.
>> > - Valerie Solanos
>>
>> My wife's comment, upon reading this: In that case, males should be
>> entitled to protection under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
>
>Would it matter if the man was disabled with or without a wife?
A crippled cartoonist named Jack
Had in his love life a big lack
but the feds sent some sluts
that he gratefully ruts
Thanks to the Americans With Disabilities Act
-- Yr Obt Svt, in honor of quadruplegic cartoonist John Callahan
Daniel P. B. Smith
Nathanael Thompson<amer...@VnewsVrangerV.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:00:42 -0400, in article
> <dpbsmith-E32914...@news.fu-berlin.de>, Daniel P. B. Smith posted
> this to a.q.:
>
> >> > The male chromosome is an incomplete female chromosome. In other words
> >> > the
> >> > male is a walking abortion; aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to
> >> > be
> >> > deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and
> >> > males
> >> > are emotional cripples.
> >> > - Valerie Solanos
>
> Former fetus and infanticide escapee, here. :-P
>
> >I'm trying to remember what I've read about it... it's been a long
> >time... but think there was some fairly solid evidence that almost every
> >measure of _variability_ is higher for men then for women. The
> >biological demands on men are lower then on women--there's a lot more
> >tolerance for error--and selection therefore doesn't act as strongly.
>
> IIRC, this was mentioned in _The Bell Curve_ written by Herrnstein and
> Murray.
I certainly didn't read it there... and if it's in there, I take it back.
The Sanity Inspector
possibly the most wound-up people on the planet. They don't believe in
laughing: instead, they would go to ‘laugh class' to find out how,
then solemnly say it had changed their life.
-- London bachelor Oliver Bennett,
http://www.msnbc.com/news/799211.asp
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defenseless creatures they would be.
-- Douglas Jerrold
The Sanity Inspector
right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization.
Recent events remind us that this civilization is fragile and that its
enemies are hostile to freedom for anyone—but especially women.
Feminists, perhaps more than anyone else, should realize that the West
is worth defending.
-- Cathy Young, "Feminism's Slide Since September 11"
http://www.reason.com/cy/cy091702.shtml
tmw
> right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization.
> Recent events remind us that this civilization is fragile and that its
> Feminists, perhaps more than anyone else, should realize that the West
> is worth defending.
> -- Cathy Young, "Feminism's Slide Since September 11"
========================
We are told for instance, that feminism is a Western - and recent novelty.
That this overlooks such phenomena as the twelfth -century Turkish harem
revolts, the forty 'women's rights' armies of China's 1851 Taiping
Rebellion, the founding of Indonesia's Women's Movement in 1904, the
activism of the Argentian national Feminist Party in 1918, and the
contemporary Worldwide Women's Movement, seems of little consequence.
~Robin Morgan, The Word of a Woman: Selected Prose 1968-1992 (1993)
Russian -born journo Ms Young ( in US since 1980, US citizen since 1987),
may rightly feel the *West* is worth defending... she, after all , has made
a choice....but most feminists, I think, would say *Feminism* is worth
defending........whatever the compass direction - and despite difficult
odds in some areas.
tmw
======================
The Sanity Inspector
-- Sylvia Plath
tmw
> -- Sylvia Plath
Three men are my friends - he that loves me, he that hates me, and he that
is indifferent to me. Who loves me, teaches me tenderness; who hates me,
teaches me caution; who is indifferent to me, teaches me self-reliance.
~J. E. Dinger
tmw
===================
Reginleif the Valkyrie
Inspector at syna...@hotmail.com wrote on 9/18/02 5:31 PM:
> What does one woman see in another than a man cannot see? Tenderness.
> -- Sylvia Plath
I have been told by several women that I am "the most sensitive person" they
have ever met. Even after I told them it was only to get into their pants.
‹ Captain Sarcastic, in alt.tasteless
-- Reginleif
Reginleif the Valkyrie
Inspector at syna...@hotmail.com wrote on 9/17/02 4:59 PM:
> However much we would like to see women's liberation as a natural
> right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization.
> Recent events remind us that this civilization is fragile and that its
> enemies are hostile to freedom for anyone—but especially women.
> Feminists, perhaps more than anyone else, should realize that the West
> is worth defending.
> -- Cathy Young, "Feminism's Slide Since September 11"
> http://www.reason.com/cy/cy091702.shtml
And on a serious note, liberalism now equals pacifism. Iąve only heard of
one radical feminist group, for example, that is willing to block the
entrances to churches where the Operation Rescue folks hold meetings, yet
until recently there was no shortage of right-wing nuts who would lock
themselves to equipment in abortion clinics to save the unborn childrun.
The numbers just don't match anymore. Now, if youąre liberal and youąre
pissed off, sometimes you picket, often you do letter writing campaigns, but
you donąt gas Southern Baptist congregations or toss bombs at the offices of
the [Manchester, NH] Union Leader or your local right wing rag. No more
bringing a baseball bat to demonstrations; now we sing łWe Shall Overcome˛
and go on Take Back the Night! marches, as if rapists really give a s---
about forty feminists marching down the street at 8 f---ing p.m. with
candles. Iąd like to see a Take Back the Night march at 3 a.m. through a
neighborhood full of crackhouses.
‹ Jessica Lavarnway, ranting on alt.tasteless (bowdlerized)
-- Reginleif
The Sanity Inspector
[ http://unmedia.blogspot.com/2002_09_23_unmedia_archive.html#85480963
]
that "Actually, the bikini is as much a tool of female oppression as
the Saudi burka," which is, much as [I admire] Aziz, nevertheless a
crock.
1) This would be a shade closer to true if western women who ever
tried to wear something other than bikinis - like, say, a business
suit - GOT THE S@#% KICKED OUT OF THEM FOR DOING SO. But there's more:
2) We may feel very ambivalent about it, but women's sexual power is
real. In a REAL patriarchy, as opposed to a half-assed one, it's
practically the only power women have available. Afghanistan is a real
patriarchy for sure, and the burkha robs women of their sexual power
by design. That is its function. But we're still not done. 3) A
bikini-clad woman has a face. Men can see when she is happy, when she
is sad, when she is cogitating, when she is pissed off and,
especially, when she suffers. There are some sick bastards who get off
on visible evidence of female suffering. But even most squishy sexists
are as squeamish as the rest of us about seeing torment play across
the face of another human being. This too is what the burkha takes
away by design. There is simply no comparison that is not invidious.
-- Jim Henley, http://www.highclearing.com/uoarchives/week_2002_09_22.html#003598
tmw
> tried to wear something other than bikinis - like, say, a business
> suit - GOT THE S@#% KICKED OUT OF THEM FOR DOING SO.
We probably need to be as careful ascribing ill to veiling as we do to
saying Western women *ask for* rape by the wearing of bikinis...and we need
also to distinguish between oppressive regimes and Muslim countries like
Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Indonesia that have elected women leaders.
It has always been a central issue of Feminism that women have Choice and
many educated Muslim women, understanding its historical and sociological
background, are choosing to *veil*
OBQs
The idea behind that was that the sexuality of one didn't influence the
other, so that men and women would treat each other like equal human beings.
~ Zieba Shorish-Shamley ( anthropologist and Muslim feminist who heads the
Washington, D.C.-based Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in
Afghanistan)
I look at wearing a hijab as liberating. It protects my dignity. I don't
have to worry about looking good and doing my hair all up just to impress
others.
~Jennifer Fadel (an American who converted to Islam 10 years ago and who is
married to a native of Lebanon)
[ Much the same argument is promoted for the compulsory wearing of school
uniforms in Western schools]
I think that for many young women, it's a symbol they are attached to their
culture, they're proud of their religion, and they see it as part of their
identity as separate from this globalise McDonald's world.....For many
Americans, cultural restraints on individual behaviour automatically look
like oppression. I think that's a very American look at the world. For lots
of cultures, communal standards aren't seen as inhibiting individual
freedoms. They're seen as part of belonging to a group whose cultures and
values are important to those individuals.
~ Christina Michelmore
Muslim women fighting for equal rights are fighting oppressive governments,
not Islam itself.
~Aaisha Haque
tmw
================
Microbes
Inspector) wrote:
>Otherwise-reasonable Aziz Poonawalla averred today
>
>[ http://unmedia.blogspot.com/2002_09_23_unmedia_archive.html#85480963
>]
>
>that "Actually, the bikini is as much a tool of female oppression as
>the Saudi burka," which is, much as [I admire] Aziz, nevertheless a
>crock.
"Most of us women like men, you know; it's just that we find them a
constant disappointment." ~ Clare Short, Labour MP
ObQ
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
~ Alebert EINSTEIN
Microbes@Home
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than the statistically average American woman cited in the press as
oppressed by standards for beauty because, yeah, I do maintain a
constant vigilance over my diet. I guess I was brainwashed by male
standards of beauty at a young age. Gee, it's rough. I'll take
constant dieting over genuine starving in a third-world country any
day of the week.
-- Diane E.,
http://letterfromgotham.blogspot.com/2002_09_22_letterfromgotham_archive.html#82047200
The Sanity Inspector
-- Boethius
The Sanity Inspector
a woman has a premonition that Tuesday will be a disaster, to which a
man pays no heed, he will very likely lose his fortune then. This is
not meant to be an occult or mystic remark. The female body is a
vessel, and the universe drops its secrets into her far more quickly
than it communicates them to the male.
-- Edward Dahlberg
What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than
man's transparency.
-- George Jean Nathan
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the function of woman as inspiration, stimulant and _agente
provocateuse_ to the creative artist. I incline to think that there
is lttle if any basis of fact in the theory. [...]
Sentimentalists always bring up the case of Schumann and his
Clara in rebuttal. But does it actually rebut? I doubt it. Clara,
too, perpetrated her _attentat_ against art. Her fair white arms,
lifting hime from the keyboard to encircle Robert's neck, squeezed
more out of hime than mere fatuous smirks. He had the best head on
him that music had seen since Beethoven's day; he was, on the cerebral
side, a colossus; he might have written music of the very first order.
Well, what he _did_ write was piano music--some of it imperfectly
arranged for orchestra. The sad eyes of Clara were always upon him.
He kept within the limits of her intelligence, her prejudices, her
wifely love. No grand experiments with the orchestra. No superb
leapings and cavortings. No rubbing of sandpaper over critical ears.
Robert lived and died a respectable musical _Hausvater_. He was a man
of genuine genius--but he didn't leave ten lines that might not have
been passed by old Prof. Jadassohn.
-- H. L. Mencken, _Prejudices: Second Series_, 1920
Vincent Kreutz
"Glod knew a guitar when he saw one. They were supposed to be shaped
like a woman, but this was only the case if you thought women had no
legs, a long neck and too many ears." --Terry Pratchett, Soul Music
SteveMR200
(The Sanity Inspector) wrote:
>However much we would like to see women's liberation as a natural
>right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization. [snip]
>-- Cathy Young, "Feminism's Slide Since September 11"
A bevy of Tesla's young women friends arrived [at
the Chicago World's fair of 1893] under firm escort
from New York City. They flirted with him, rode on
the Ferris wheel, and visited the Woman's Building
to hear Mrs. Potter Palmer (Chicago's retort to Mrs.
Astor) declare that the model kitchen, which boasted
an electric stove, electric fans, and even an automatic
dishwasher, heralded the liberation of the female.
--Margaret Cheney
_Tesla: Man Out of Time_ [1981], "Radio"
--
Steve
Flash
Gas and electricity have killed the magic of fire, but in the
country many women still know the joy of kindling live flames
from inert wood. With her fire going, woman becomes a
sorceress; by a simple movement, as in beating eggs, or
through the magic of fire, she effects the transmutation of
substances: matter becomes food. There is enchantment in
these alchemies, there is poetry in making preserves; the
housewife has caught duration in the snare of sugar, she has
enclosed life in jars. Cooking is revelation and creation; and
a woman can find special satisfaction in a successful cake or
a flaky pastry, for not everyone can do it: one must have the
gift.
--Simone de Beauvoir (_The Second Sex_)
-----
--Flash
Steve B
Sanity Inspector) wrote:
> Woman is the most superstitious animal beneath the moon. When
>a woman has a premonition that Tuesday will be a disaster, to which a
>man pays no heed, he will very likely lose his fortune then. This is
>not meant to be an occult or mystic remark. The female body is a
>vessel, and the universe drops its secrets into her far more quickly
>than it communicates them to the male.
> -- Edward Dahlberg
Women speak a language devoid of nouns. If two men are helping each
other in the kitchen, one will say to the other 'put this bowl inside
the bigger bowl, which you'll find in the green cupboard.' The Female
for this is: "put that in the other one in there."
CS Lewis "That Hideous Strength"
Frank Lynch
given them little.
-- Samuel Johnson: Letter to Dr. Taylor
http://www.samueljohnson.com/battle.html#1570
And oh, what a mercy it is that these women do not exercise their
powers oftener! We can't resist them, if they do. Let them show ever
so little inclination, and men go down on their knees at once; old or
ugly, it is all the same. And this I set down as a positive truth. A
woman with fair opportunities, and without an absolute hump, may marry
WHOM SHE LIKES. Only let us be thankful that the darlings are like
the beasts of the field, and don't know their own power. They would
overcome us entirely if they did.
-- Narrator, "Vanity Fair," by William Makepeace Thackeray
Frank Lynch
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
http://www.samueljohnson.com/
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nowhere, nor has it evaporated overnight. This is an apartheid
society, a bifurcated human race where one half has been
systematically excised: mothers, wives, daughters are only empty
vessels, the regrettable and disgusting physical function through
which men must deign to be born.
-- Polly Toynbee, "Was It Worth It",
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,838892,00.html?=rss
Ted Clayton
ObQuote:
Women need to know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and be under
His Lordship. They need a man who knows Jesus Christ as his Lord and
Savior, and they need to be part of a home where their husband is a
godly leader and where there is a Christian family.
The Equal Rights Amendment strikes at the foundation of our entire
social structure....ERA is not merely a political issue, but a moral
issue as well. A definite violation of holy Scripture, ERA defies the
mandate that "the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the
head of the church" (Ep. 5:23). In I Peter 3:7 we read that husbands are
to give their wives honor as unto the weaker vessel, that they are both
heirs together of the grace of life. -- Jerry Falwell, available online
at http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfib/courses/Falwell.htm
Ted