Part 82: Barbara Schwarz reveals shocking news!
BarbaraSchwarz
Never Sundays, and otherwise only 1-2 hours the day. The other 22
remaining hours, I do something completely different. 1-2 hours is all
the time I want to spend in that snakepit. How I manage to write long
essays in that short time period and even have the time to slap Nazi
hecklers on their wrists? I am very fast and very organized. That is
my secret.
RB wrote again to me. She wrote, that Douglas Reynolds was the
"traitor" in the deprogrammer group.
Fact is: Reynolds is a guilty as the others, Cyril Vosper and John
Matheson or Mathewson of kidnapping and degrogramming, because he was
the one that lead my sister to the house, with me in the car, thinking
that RB needed her Asthma medicine to not suffocate. He should have
told me that I am lead in a trap. He was the one that closed the door
behind me. He pysically restrained me and assaulted me just as
Matheson did, by grabbing me and closing my mouth with their hands so
that I could not scream for help.
Reynolds took money from the Scientology orgs to prevent
deprogramming, but he actively worked to deprogram. He just got afraid
during that ordeal, because I had slammed with my fists in the windows
to escape, had deep cuts in my hands and everywhere was blood.
They started to deprogram me at noon, at approx. three o'clock
Reynolds decided it became too bloody to come away for him, the man,
who was paid to prevent such matters, so he told me in the brief
moment we were alone, that he would inform Scientology as to what they
do to me. At four o'clock Vosper arrived. He said, he thinks they owe
me an apology, but he did not let me out either. Nobody called a
doctor to see to my wounds, they just let me sit there bleeding and
continued to "deprogram" me, telling me what a terrible thing
Scientology is, by being the most terrible people there could be
themselves.
The guy next door was a doctor. His house was just five foot away from
the deprogramming house. He heard me scream for help, he heard the
glass splitter, but he left the house with his family. He thought,
it's just a Jew and a Scientologist getting what she "deserved". The
person that rented the deprogramming house was also informed and a
co-conspirator of the deprogramming, so was Haack, Heinemann, Rohmann,
Gerke, Beneken and so many more. The German police, the court, the
district attorney allowed the co-conspirator all to come away. No Nazi
Germany anymore, yeah right!
John Matheson was the most dumb of all. He is the guy you normally
find on death row. Reynolds came back in the evening and tried to get
in the house. Matheson, the superfool, told him that he should not
come in because they would progress in my "deprogramming". He was such
an idiot. He did not progress. I just stopped screaming, because I was
hoarse and noticed that the Nazi neighbors would not help me anyway. I
also became calmer, because Reynolds said he would alarm the SCN orgs.
I was basically sitting in there, waiting for my rescue, that is what
Matheson took as "progress".
He blamed me on that blood got over his jeans. He looked me up,
assaulted me, I tried to escape, got hurt, he blames me that blood
stained his jeans. This guy is beyond belief. He had manners like an
ape. His mother has no reason to be proud of this animal. Did she
raise him in a pigstable?
He was an ex-Hare Krishna. Those Hare Krishna's which I met on the air
port were a lot nicer and easier to take than what Matheson turned
into: a violent, dangerous, lawless deprogrammer. They should have let
him with the Hare Krishna's.
Pfarrer Friedrich Wilhelm Haack, whom RB called later, "the priest of
lies", wrote an "expert statement" to the judge Gertrude Krautloher in
Germany, the court in Starnberg. RB mailed me a copy of that
statement. The weird judge asked him to write a statement, despite it
was him, who told RB the first time about deprogramming. It was him
who gave her that idea.
Haack wrote in that statement, that he participated in a conference in
Barcelona, Spain, and asked the international participants if they
believe that Reynolds had Scientology connections, and that they said,
they assume he had.
Fact is: He indeed had SCN connections, he was paid to prevent
deprogramming, but was a traitor for Scientology and participated as
long as he could. He just gave up, when he noticed that I rather would
fight to my death, before I would accept their criminal methods to cut
SCN out of me.
Haack mentioned in that statement that he is aware that the Munchner
Abendzeitung, (one of Munich biggest papers) reported about that
deprogramming attempt on November 19, 1987, page 39.
Haack wrote that a deprogramming takes between two days and almost a
week.
Fact is: How did the criminal Nazi pig knew that, if not involved in
numerous such criminal activities?
Haack mentioned correspondence between RB and Vosper, Vosper and
Matheson on me, but RB had not yet mailed me this correspondence.
Haack wrote, the mother of Matheson contacted him, to help his son,
that his son was deprogrammed himself from the Hare Krishnas and then
decided himself to become a deprogrammer.
Fact is: Oh, my God. This is how it works. Deprogramming makes other
deprogrammers. Deprogramming makes criminals.
(Hey, thanks, Ms. Matheson for creating that deprogrammed monster,
your son, and letting him lose to continue that crime spree and to get
to me. I still suffer from the scars of this deprogramming attempt.
What a luck, that this did not work on me, Ms. Matheson, otherwise I
would be a criminal today,just like your son, and would kidnap and
abuse and assault people of religions, that I just happen to dislike
and would try to make money with that inhumane criminal activity.)
Haack wrote that Lady Daphne Vane and the MDE Cotell or Cotrell group
(Haack typed as unclean as a gorilla) also contacted him on behalf of
Matheson.
("Lady" Vane and you Cotrell or Cotell criminals: If you are still
alive and did not die on result of your evil deed by contracting a
deadly disease as Haack did, don't you ever develop something like a
conscience? How far are you going to support criminal activities of
Scientology attackers? How many new monsters do you want to create
with your hatred? Matheson was outrageously gruesome, he assaulted me,
he physically violated me, he took my liberty, he did not call a
doctor to see to my wounds, he let the glass splinters in my hands and
wrists, I was stitting there suffering and bleeding, and you decide
that somebody should help that poor Matheson. You people are so
twisted, it is the absolute shame!)
RB wrote with hands on that statement: "Crucifiction, crucifiction!".
That was what the deprogramming was, but she failed to mentioned to
write on it, how much she contributed to that crucifiction.
By the way, when the German police came finally at midnight, I had to
tell the two officers several times to take me with them, despite that
they saw that the house was a crime scene and that there was blood
everywhere. At the police station every traffic violation had priority
before my case. They did not drive me to a doctor either. At four
o'clock in the morning, I could not stand the pain any longer. I
demanded to see a doctor. They finally drove to an emergency room. The
doctors removed the glass splinters, put something on my hands, which
did not feel like medicine at all, rather like cream with new glass
dust, and bandaged my hands and wrists.
They returned me to the police station, and did not arrest RB. She
followed me immediately to the train station and continued with her
deprogramming ideas right on that train ride. The police knew that we
lived in the same flat and that I had no other place to go. I had to
flee Germany, to get away from RB, because she just would not let me
live me in peace. I had no way to relax. But this was the idea of the
German Nazi secret service, who was in on that and helped to organize
that. They wanted me out of the country, to let the criminals go. Just
another set up. But anyway, there is no justice for Scientologists in
Germany.
I hid in the USA, on the East Coast. Everybody knew I was not missing
but hiding, but despite everything criminal RB did, Interpol Wiesbaden
helped RB. I-Pol Wiesbaden told USCB Interpol (a German poodle) in
D.C. to track me down in the USA to return me to her, because I would
be a missing person.
After all, it's still a German Nazi world!
Barbara Schwarz,
April 25, 2003
Stacy.Brooks-Rinder
Boobara... you should be the poster child for family planning.
BarbaraSchwarz
I am not Boobara. That is the name you used to try to copy me, by
posting insane stuff, "StacyBrooksRinder". You are Steven Goodman, a
Canadian, who lives now in England, and his fellow Canadians seem not
to miss him, and I am not surprised why. But poor England.
Steven Goodman, were you wanted in Canada? What did you do, that you
had to flee?
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>
>I am not Boobara. That is the name you used to try to copy me, by
>posting insane stuff, "StacyBrooksRinder". You are Steven Goodman, a
>Canadian, who lives now in England, and his fellow Canadians seem not
>to miss him, and I am not surprised why. But poor England.
>Steven Goodman, were you wanted in Canada? What did you do, that you
>had to flee?
>
Steven Goodman? Who's that?
"StacyBrooksRinder" is Gary Scarff as far as I know.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Stacy.Brooks-Rinder
Then, you don't know much.
Steven Goodman
Rasta Robert
(Stacy.Brooks-Rinder) wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ead671a...@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 28 Apr 2003 09:25:00 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>
>> >
>> >I am not Boobara. That is the name you used to try to copy me, by
>> >posting insane stuff, "StacyBrooksRinder". You are Steven Goodman, a
>>
>> Steven Goodman? Who's that?
>> "StacyBrooksRinder" is Gary Scarff as far as I know.
>
>Then, you don't know much.
>
>Steven Goodman
LOL
Yeah, right ;)
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
Yes, Robert, and Gary Scarff is Steven Goodman, a Canadian. Do your
research and you will find out.
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eadbd32....@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 28 Apr 2003 14:32:02 -0700, StacyBro...@hotmail.com
>> (Stacy.Brooks-Rinder) wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>
>> >r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ead671a...@news.cistron.nl>...
>> >> On 28 Apr 2003 09:25:00 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> >> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I am not Boobara. That is the name you used to try to copy me, by
>> >> >posting insane stuff, "StacyBrooksRinder". You are Steven Goodman, a
>> >>
>> >> Steven Goodman? Who's that?
>> >> "StacyBrooksRinder" is Gary Scarff as far as I know.
>> >
>> >Then, you don't know much.
>> >
>> >Steven Goodman
>>
>> LOL
>> Yeah, right ;)
>>
>> Rasta Robert
>> --//->
>
>
>Yes, Robert, and Gary Scarff is Steven Goodman, a Canadian. Do your
>research and you will find out.
>
>Barbara Schwarz
Never heard of the guy, I think you are mistaken.
not many Steven Goodmans from Canada to be found,
can you give a hint which one you think is it?
http://www.ciis.edu/faculty/goodman.html
Steven D. Goodman, co-director of Asian and Comparative Studies
his picture doesn't look like Gary Scarff at all...
Perhaps this one, manager of a jeans company, (can't find a picture
of this Steven Goodman)?
http://www.frenchdressingjeans.com/english/news_goodman.html
Steve Goodman Joins French Dressing
Jeanswear as Midwest Regional Manager
Yoooohooooo... is that you Gary ;)
Are you shure you don't mean Steven Birdman or Batman or Fishman
or Spiderman or Goodboy?
Rasta Robert
--//->
Stacy.Brooks-Rinder
> r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eadbd32....@news.cistron.nl>...
> > On 28 Apr 2003 14:32:02 -0700, StacyBro...@hotmail.com
> > (Stacy.Brooks-Rinder) wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
> >
> > >r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ead671a...@news.cistron.nl>...
> > >> On 28 Apr 2003 09:25:00 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
> > >> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >I am not Boobara. That is the name you used to try to copy me, by
> > >> >posting insane stuff, "StacyBrooksRinder". You are Steven Goodman, a
> > >>
> > >> Steven Goodman? Who's that?
> > >> "StacyBrooksRinder" is Gary Scarff as far as I know.
> > >
> > >Then, you don't know much.
> > >
> > >Steven Goodman
> >
> > LOL
> > Yeah, right ;)
>
> Yes, Robert, and Gary Scarff is Steven Goodman, a Canadian. Do your
> research and you will find out.
But, then a little research will show that Rasta Robert is really Gary
Scarff, a Pollack.
BarbaraSchwarz
This here is for Robert Rasta: I noticed that you indeed made some
research on Steven Goodman. He is quite elusive, isn't he?
Anyway, I don't want you to waste any more time, that is why I am not
kidding in this posting. I want to straighten the records up, so that
you have time to go over to the "Warning to all Germans" thread, where
some Nazi (Neptune 3, who could be Mark Weber) try to re-write history
by claiming the Holocaust never happened.
I am quite certain that Norle Enturbulata is Stephen Goodman, who
posts from some hell hole in London, UK.
Garry Scarff, who is known of stealing other people's identity, who
posted also with Barboora Schwanz and currently with
StaceyBrooks-Rinder, posted that he would be Steven Goodman, but he
isn't. He although would not want to be Stephen Goodman for some
reasons.
Don't waste anymore time with those guys, Robert, they are not worth
it. The confusion just comes when people don't post with their real
names, so we have to deal with hundreds of their split personalities.
By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
>Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
You're turning the sequence around, it is Rasta Robert,
not Robert Rasta. And whatever name Gary posts under,
I have never found it difficult to spot his style.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Rasta Robert" <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs> wrote in message
news:3eb8f9ba...@news.cistron.nl...
Whew! She just won't let go of that bone, despite being wrong three times
in this one, will she?
Hell, I've got no reason to masquerade as you, Rasta-man, and I SURE AS HELL
wouldn't ever want to be confused with a loser like Scarff. While such an
idiot tactic might raise Scarff's status a notch, it wouldn't do anyone else
any good, would it? :)
--
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
- LRH's "Creation of Human Ability" p251
BarbaraSchwarz
Sorry, Rasta, I never heard that first name before. Are you a lady or
a gentlemen?
I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
thought, it is fashion in Europe.
In Bavaria, people often just call themselves with the last name.
"Hey, Mueller, bring noch'n Mass Bier, ich hab noch'n Paar
Gehirnzellen, die leben, die will ich nun auch noch toeten!"
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eb8f9ba...@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 2 May 2003 11:12:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>
>> >By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
>> >Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
>>
>> You're turning the sequence around, it is Rasta Robert,
>> not Robert Rasta. And whatever name Gary posts under,
>> I have never found it difficult to spot his style.
>>
>> Rasta Robert
>> --//->
>
>
>Sorry, Rasta, I never heard that first name before. Are you a lady or
>a gentlemen?
I-man am a man, ma'am. My given first name is Robert, Rasta is a
spiritual name I took when I started growing my locks, and stopped
eating meat.
Rasta is a shortened form of Rastafari, which is the name of a
syncretic religion that originated in the West Indies, on the
former slave plantation island Jamaica.
The name comes from the name of the former Ethiopian emperor Haile
Selassie, whose mane before he was crowned as emperor was Ras Tafar I
Makonnen. 'Ras' means 'head' or 'prince/chief', and allegedly 'Tafar'
means 'creator'. The 'I' is the Roman numeral 1, but Rastafarians
pronounce it as "I/Eye".
In the earley days of the Rastafarian religion, Rastas believed
that Haile Selassie was God and/or Christ returned a the Conquering
Lion as prophesized in the Book of Revelations.
Nowadays the tendency among Rasta people is to accept the
interpretation of the Ethiopian Coptic Church, that Haile Selassie,
as emperor of Ethiopia from the lineage of Menelik I, son of
King Solomon and the queen of Sheba, was a living icon of Christ
during his life.
>I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
>thought, it is fashion in Europe.
No it isn't, is is in China and perhaps other Asian countries and some
African countries.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Stacy.Brooks-Rinder
> "Rasta Robert" <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs> wrote in message
> news:3eb8f9ba...@news.cistron.nl...
> > On 2 May 2003 11:12:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com
> (BarbaraSchwarz)
> > wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
> >
> > >By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
> > >Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
> >
> > You're turning the sequence around, it is Rasta Robert,
> > not Robert Rasta. And whatever name Gary posts under,
> > I have never found it difficult to spot his style.
>
> Whew! She just won't let go of that bone, despite being wrong three times
> in this one, will she?
>
> Hell, I've got no reason to masquerade as you, Rasta-man, and I SURE AS HELL
> wouldn't ever want to be confused with a loser like Scarff.
<yawn> Same old crap posted by the immature, whining loser who never
had the guts to post under his real name...
REPOST: From: GarryS (garr...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Why doesn't Rev. Norle Enturbulata post openly as Stephen P.
Goodman (spgo...@earthlight.net)??
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-07-26 21:55:17 PST
Even his posted e-mail address on ARS is phony:
A Google search on Rev.Norle.Enturbulata reveals that his real name is
Stephen P. Goodman, owner of a music firm called Earthlight
Productions and Earthlight Studios.
His website - http://www.earthlight.net/About.html has this to say:
Founded in 1986, EarthLight Productions exists as an organizational
hub for a variety of activities, pursuits and projects on the part of
Stephen Goodman, and others. These are especially of a business
nature, and designed from the project level to adhere to a set of
criteria (under constant development, in the spirit of the Appropriate
Structure).
These are the EarthLight Criteria for doing business:
The result must in some way improve the quality or nature of human
life;
The result should encourage the investigation of alternate but valid
viewpoints;
The process or result should spawn another project (profit being what
it is).
The products emanating from EarthLight Productions are not restricted
to one avenue of expression, and range from artistic and musical
pursuits (like graphics, cartoons, and The Loop Of The Week), to
studies on the effects of technology on us (and vice versa). As these
become more existent they shall appear here.
Stephen P. Goodman is an individual, currently living in the London,
UK area with his wife Sarah, who joined him in marriage in August
2000. Presently he can be seen about town, either consulting at homes
and office in the PC or 'multimedia' realm, producing cartoons and
illustrations (see the new Gallery!), or performing live ambient music
(some of which may be found at the EarthLight Studios page, one of
which you're listening to now!). Stephen has transformed the
traditional role of MIS Director into a consulting position, and
performs this service for large and small businesses, as well as home
computer users.
He has been working in and around the computer / software industry
since 1980, and sports an appropriately extensive resume. In an
industry steeped in snake oil he persists in the practice of making
information accessible to people for the purposes of education and
personal growth, and the rejection of proprietarian design. (If you
want to know what this means, ask him!)
He is also one of the first 1000 members of the Electronic Freedom
Foundation. One of his favorite phrases is still...
"The only 'stupid questions' are the ones never asked."
Amongst his many, varied talents are an eye for details; holistic
detection- determination and troubleshooting; a comforting and
informed support / teaching manner; and an active visual cortex, with
emphasis on conceptual origination and translation. His abilities in
text-to-image conversion can be demonstrated swiftly (Go ahead! Try
him!), and in terms of graphics, speed is an obvious asset when
combined with quality. All of the graphics on these pages - with the
exception of the externalized banners and logos - were produced by
Stephen.
He's been drawing since age 4, and has been bringing a PC up to
'snuff' enough to be able to integrate his ability with technology
without perverting its quality. Stephen still prefers ink on paper,
and while he uses a pen/tablet (thanks, Len!), it is more than just a
touch-up method at this time.
Presently he has a single-panel cartoon in Reproduction Medialine News
named "Hidden Track", and hopes for more cartooning work in the coming
year (Go see the online Gallery - click on the eye above - when you're
finished here!). He believes that there is a melding point between
Art and Business, where both are satisfied, and pursues this through
EarthLight Productions, under the role of Artrepreneur.
Having worked in and around the PC business since 1980, he has a
profound faith in the mind-expanding capabilities of the PC,
especially with respect to both education and entertainment; Stephen
is a field-seasoned expert in the areas of networks, configuration,
implementation, and training, in both the corporate and home
environments, and does his best to retain the information gained on
the floor, while migrating towards the ceiling, so to speak. For
several years he's been experimenting with probable and plausible
integrations of the PC and the Home Entertainment System. If you can't
see the connection between the two, drop him a line - you might be
able to use his assistance! As a validation of this pursuit it can be
seen that the computer and home entertainment system continue to grow
closer together daily, both in reality, and in the public eye.
Again, if you'd like to discuss this, or invite him to write or
otherwise pontificate about integration in the 21st Century, get in
touch!
Stephen P. Goodman
137 Chatsworth Court
Pembroke Road, London, England W8 6DN
Tel: 020 7602 2243
E-Mail: spgo...@earthlight.net
BarbaraSchwarz
> On 7 May 2003 09:43:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>
> >r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eb8f9ba...@news.cistron.nl>...
> >> On 2 May 2003 11:12:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
> >> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
> >>
> >> >By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
> >> >Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
> >>
> >> You're turning the sequence around, it is Rasta Robert,
> >> not Robert Rasta. And whatever name Gary posts under,
> >> I have never found it difficult to spot his style.
> >>
> >> Rasta Robert
> >> --//->
> >
> >
> >Sorry, Rasta, I never heard that first name before. Are you a lady or
> >a gentlemen?
>
> I-man am a man, ma'am. My given first name is Robert, Rasta is a
> spiritual name I took when I started growing my locks, and stopped
> eating meat.
> Rasta is a shortened form of Rastafari, which is the name of a
> syncretic religion that originated in the West Indies, on the
> former slave plantation island Jamaica.
I thought Rasta don't sound very dutch to me. I don't like to eat meat
either. How do you get get your protein?
How long are your locks?
> The name comes from the name of the former Ethiopian emperor Haile
> Selassie, whose mane before he was crowned as emperor was Ras Tafar I
> Makonnen. 'Ras' means 'head' or 'prince/chief', and allegedly 'Tafar'
> means 'creator'. The 'I' is the Roman numeral 1, but Rastafarians
> pronounce it as "I/Eye".
>
> In the earley days of the Rastafarian religion, Rastas believed
> that Haile Selassie was God and/or Christ returned a the Conquering
> Lion as prophesized in the Book of Revelations.
> Nowadays the tendency among Rasta people is to accept the
> interpretation of the Ethiopian Coptic Church, that Haile Selassie,
> as emperor of Ethiopia from the lineage of Menelik I, son of
> King Solomon and the queen of Sheba, was a living icon of Christ
> during his life.
Is there any organized Rastafarian religion in Holland? Or are you
sort of on yourself, just living after the principles? Do you believe
in the old or new version of the Rastafarians?
>
> >I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
> >thought, it is fashion in Europe.
>
> No it isn't, is is in China and perhaps other Asian countries and some
> African countries.
>
> Rasta Robert
> --//->
What does this arrow mean? Has this a significance?
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eb943e1...@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 7 May 2003 09:43:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>
>> >r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3eb8f9ba...@news.cistron.nl>...
>> >> On 2 May 2003 11:12:01 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> >> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>> >>
>> >> >By the way, are you the real Robert Rasta? You should watch Garry
>> >> >Scarff, he probably posts soon as StaceyScarfRasta-Goodman.
>> >>
>> >> You're turning the sequence around, it is Rasta Robert,
>> >> not Robert Rasta. And whatever name Gary posts under,
>> >> I have never found it difficult to spot his style.
>> >>
>> >> Rasta Robert
>> >> --//->
>> >
>> >
>> >Sorry, Rasta, I never heard that first name before. Are you a lady or
>> >a gentlemen?
>>
>> I-man am a man, ma'am. My given first name is Robert, Rasta is a
>> spiritual name I took when I started growing my locks, and stopped
>> eating meat.
>> Rasta is a shortened form of Rastafari, which is the name of a
>> syncretic religion that originated in the West Indies, on the
>> former slave plantation island Jamaica.
>
>I thought Rasta don't sound very dutch to me. I don't like to eat meat
>either. How do you get get your protein?
>
All plants contain proteins, and especially rich in proteins are nuts,
beans, soybean products (tofu, soy-milk) and mushrooms.
I also do eat cheese. Proteins is hardly ever a problem when
not eating meat. The thing to be careful about is vitamin B12,
which can be a problem with a very strict vegan diet.
We only need about 6 microgram B12 a day if I remember correctly,
and eating a small amount of cheese or yoghurt will take care
of that. For strict vegans it may be necessary to take B12 as
a supplement (in pill form).
>How long are your locks?
The longest ones a little over 1 meter.
>> The name comes from the name of the former Ethiopian emperor Haile
>> Selassie, whose mane before he was crowned as emperor was Ras Tafar I
>> Makonnen. 'Ras' means 'head' or 'prince/chief', and allegedly 'Tafar'
>> means 'creator'. The 'I' is the Roman numeral 1, but Rastafarians
>> pronounce it as "I/Eye".
>>
>> In the earley days of the Rastafarian religion, Rastas believed
>> that Haile Selassie was God and/or Christ returned a the Conquering
>> Lion as prophesized in the Book of Revelations.
>> Nowadays the tendency among Rasta people is to accept the
>> interpretation of the Ethiopian Coptic Church, that Haile Selassie,
>> as emperor of Ethiopia from the lineage of Menelik I, son of
>> King Solomon and the queen of Sheba, was a living icon of Christ
>> during his life.
>
>Is there any organized Rastafarian religion in Holland? Or are you
>sort of on yourself, just living after the principles? Do you believe
>in the old or new version of the Rastafarians?
>
While there are some organized Rastafarian groups, of which
the most well known is the 12 Tribes of Israel, but there
are many groups and many more not strictly organized Rastafarians
all over the world. The early Rastafarians needed to recognize God
in the image of Haile Selassie, but also said that God is love, that
when love is in man, God is in the heart of man, and when man is
in love, man is within God. So the Rastafari conception is
that God is in man and that man is within God.
I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
songs and rhythms toghether.
>> >I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
>> >thought, it is fashion in Europe.
>>
>> No it isn't, is is in China and perhaps other Asian countries and some
>> African countries.
>>
>> Rasta Robert
>> --//->
>
>What does this arrow mean? Has this a significance?
>
The arrow is the sign of the Archer, the constellation
Sagitarius, which is in the direction of the galactic core,
the centre of our galaxy the Milky Way.
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
But you mix your beans with rice? I heard that beans only may not be a
complete protein. I think that you know your nutrition well enough to
keep functioning. You surely must have low cholesterol level, if you
don't overdo the cheese and the dairy products. I think I have that
too, because I also don't like stuff from the butcher.
>
> >How long are your locks?
>
> The longest ones a little over 1 meter.
Then your locks are longer than mine. Is it hard to get them dry after
a hair wash?
>
> >> The name comes from the name of the former Ethiopian emperor Haile
> >> Selassie, whose mane before he was crowned as emperor was Ras Tafar I
> >> Makonnen. 'Ras' means 'head' or 'prince/chief', and allegedly 'Tafar'
> >> means 'creator'. The 'I' is the Roman numeral 1, but Rastafarians
> >> pronounce it as "I/Eye".
> >>
> >> In the earley days of the Rastafarian religion, Rastas believed
> >> that Haile Selassie was God and/or Christ returned a the Conquering
> >> Lion as prophesized in the Book of Revelations.
> >> Nowadays the tendency among Rasta people is to accept the
> >> interpretation of the Ethiopian Coptic Church, that Haile Selassie,
> >> as emperor of Ethiopia from the lineage of Menelik I, son of
> >> King Solomon and the queen of Sheba, was a living icon of Christ
> >> during his life.
> >
> >Is there any organized Rastafarian religion in Holland? Or are you
> >sort of on yourself, just living after the principles? Do you believe
> >in the old or new version of the Rastafarians?
> >
>
> While there are some organized Rastafarian groups, of which
> the most well known is the 12 Tribes of Israel, but there
> are many groups and many more not strictly organized Rastafarians
> all over the world. The early Rastafarians needed to recognize God
> in the image of Haile Selassie, but also said that God is love, that
> when love is in man, God is in the heart of man, and when man is
> in love, man is within God. So the Rastafari conception is
> that God is in man and that man is within God.
That is interesting.
> I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
> and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
> songs and rhythms toghether.
I saw some in my life, in public places, but you are the first I
corresponded with.
>
> >> >I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
> >> >thought, it is fashion in Europe.
> >>
> >> No it isn't, is is in China and perhaps other Asian countries and some
> >> African countries.
> >>
> >> Rasta Robert
> >> --//->
> >
> >What does this arrow mean? Has this a significance?
> >
>
> The arrow is the sign of the Archer, the constellation
> Sagitarius, which is in the direction of the galactic core,
> the centre of our galaxy the Milky Way.
>
> Rasta Robert
> --//->
And what is the religious significance of that? Why do you or others
should know the direction of the galactic core, the centre of our
galaxy, the Milky Way?
Barbara Schwarz
Stacy.Brooks-Rinder
Careful, Barbara. Rasta Robert is an OSA spy with a faulty implant
made by Mattel. On Friday nights, he turns into the buxom brunette,
Rasty Roberta.
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ebab2c7....@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 8 May 2003 11:54:33 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>
>But you mix your beans with rice? I heard that beans only may not be a
>complete protein. I think that you know your nutrition well enough to
>keep functioning. You surely must have low cholesterol level, if you
>don't overdo the cheese and the dairy products. I think I have that
>too, because I also don't like stuff from the butcher.
>
Yes, best to eat beans together with rice, millet or another grain
to get the full spectrum of amino-acids.
>>
>> >How long are your locks?
>>
>> The longest ones a little over 1 meter.
>
>Then your locks are longer than mine. Is it hard to get them dry after
>a hair wash?
No that's no problem.
>> >Is there any organized Rastafarian religion in Holland? Or are you
>> >sort of on yourself, just living after the principles? Do you believe
>> >in the old or new version of the Rastafarians?
>> >
>>
>> While there are some organized Rastafarian groups, of which
>> the most well known is the 12 Tribes of Israel, but there
>> are many groups and many more not strictly organized Rastafarians
>> all over the world. The early Rastafarians needed to recognize God
>> in the image of Haile Selassie, but also said that God is love, that
>> when love is in man, God is in the heart of man, and when man is
>> in love, man is within God. So the Rastafari conception is
>> that God is in man and that man is within God.
>
>That is interesting.
>
I can, from a Rastafarian perspective be seen as
an unconventional individual, but I feel there is room
for that within Rastafarianism, and every Rastaman and
Rastawoman can have his or her own reasoning and this
is respected. From the beginning Rastafarianism has been
a combination of original interpretations of the Bible,
and of ancient African and Indian religious traditions,
it is a relatively young and new religion, but its
roots run very deep and old.
>> I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
>> and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
>> songs and rhythms toghether.
>
>I saw some in my life, in public places, but you are the first I
>corresponded with.
>
There's a first time for everything.
>> >> --//->
>> >
>> >What does this arrow mean? Has this a significance?
>> >
>>
>> The arrow is the sign of the Archer, the constellation
>> Sagitarius, which is in the direction of the galactic core,
>> the centre of our galaxy the Milky Way.
>>
>> Rasta Robert
>> --//->
>
>And what is the religious significance of that? Why do you or others
>should know the direction of the galactic core, the centre of our
>galaxy, the Milky Way?
>
As the word 'religion' literally means 'reconnecting with the origin'
there is a relevance indeed. In our body (which in the Rastafari
perspective is 'the Church'), to find got, we look within our heart,
the centre of the body. Within the body the heart is the holiest
of holy. If we look at planet Earth, mother Earth, the living Gaia,
her heart is the liquid crystal iron core. In the solar system,
the sun is the heart, the Sun/Son of God. On the scale of the Milky
Way, our spiral galaxy, the galactic core is the heart.
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
I remember that original L. Ron Hubbard Scientology was also teaching
vegan diet. That environmental closed protected village, had no
butcher store. The Scientologists, Mormons and people of other
religion, all would not eat meat. They refused the meat for health
reasons, and some for religious reasons. They cooked so delicious,
that nobody missed meat.
I think that animals are thetans, in other words, spiritual beings,
and eating them is kind of canibalism. Just take a whole chicken out
of a package, it just looks like a naked baby, without a head.
Actually, there are some links to Scientology, if you study the
Scientology religious basics. The Mormons also believe that they are
Gods, and I trust some other religious do that too.
> >
> > > I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
> > > and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
> > > songs and rhythms toghether.
> >
> > I saw some in my life, in public places, but you are the first I
> > corresponded with.
What are you getting out of the chanting and drumming? It is like
prayers or sort of therapy?
> >
> > >
> > > >> >I wondered briefly, why you would put your last name first, but I
> > > >> >thought, it is fashion in Europe.
> > > >>
> > > >> No it isn't, is is in China and perhaps other Asian countries and some
> > > >> African countries.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rasta Robert
> > > >> --//->
> > > >
> > > >What does this arrow mean? Has this a significance?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The arrow is the sign of the Archer, the constellation
> > > Sagitarius, which is in the direction of the galactic core,
> > > the centre of our galaxy the Milky Way.
> > >
> > > Rasta Robert
> > > --//->
>
> Careful, Barbara. Rasta Robert is an OSA spy with a faulty implant
> made by Mattel. On Friday nights, he turns into the buxom brunette,
> Rasty Roberta.
There is of course one big question: How come that a nice, educated
Rastafarian like you, posts in a hostile, mean, ignorant and slimy
snake pit as ARS? How did you fall in there? Not by accident, it
appears to me, because you know much about even the worst rattle
snakes and king kobras of this newsgroup on their posting styles, and
soon they will post that you locks are fake.
(I am here for defense reasons only. Some animals of this newsgroup
found out about my legal cases and they "diagnosed" me with probably
359 and 3/4 mental illnesses. I ignored them for years, but at a
certain time, I have had it, and I hit back.)
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSchwarz
I noticed that you don't poison yourself with hatred against other
religions or races, so, it seems that your religion works for you.
Can't say that much about the some of the socalled Christians that
post here, or of the socalled Muslims that kill with Jihad.
I understand you don't want to eat meat, but what is that with the
locks? Why do you keep them growing? And what do you do when they hit
the ground and sweep the floor behind you?
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>> BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz) wrote in message news:<a6bc00a0.03050...@posting.google.com>...
>>> r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ebab2c7....@news.cistron.nl>...
>I remember that original L. Ron Hubbard Scientology was also teaching
>vegan diet. That environmental closed protected village, had no
>butcher store. The Scientologists, Mormons and people of other
>religion, all would not eat meat. They refused the meat for health
>reasons, and some for religious reasons. They cooked so delicious,
>that nobody missed meat.
That sounds like a more ideal form of scientology, which must
exist/have existed in some alternative parallel universe.
Your memories sound like you get them from outside the common
agreed on reality, from a parallel reality where things went/go
slightly different from this one.
>I think that animals are thetans, in other words, spiritual beings,
>and eating them is kind of canibalism. Just take a whole chicken out
>of a package, it just looks like a naked baby, without a head.
I think that animals are essentially spirits and plants too.
Canibalism is defined as eating the flesh of its own species.
By their nature, plants are less attached to their bodies and
experience less struggle in giving their body in the service
of other beings than animals. To get an animal to give up
its body, takes more violence.
Plants are in a sense more independent, they don't have
to eat the body of another living being to live, but can
get their essential energy directly out of the light of the
sun. All living beings that are not able to do photosynthesis,
are dependent on the plants to convert sunlight, water, air
and minerals from the soil to energy-rich food (carbon hydrates/
sugars).
>>>> While there are some organized Rastafarian groups, of which
>>>> the most well known is the 12 Tribes of Israel, but there
>>>> are many groups and many more not strictly organized Rastafarians
>>>> all over the world. The early Rastafarians needed to recognize God
>>>> in the image of Haile Selassie, but also said that God is love, that
>>>> when love is in man, God is in the heart of man, and when man is
>>>> in love, man is within God. So the Rastafari conception is
>>>> that God is in man and that man is within God.
>>>
>>> That is interesting.
>
>Actually, there are some links to Scientology, if you study the
>Scientology religious basics. The Mormons also believe that they are
>Gods, and I trust some other religious do that too.
Scientology probably also got those ideas from ancient religious
teachings from India (a-dvaita/non-duality: tat tvam asi/thou art that).
>>>> I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
>>>> and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
>>>> songs and rhythms toghether.
>What are you getting out of the chanting and drumming? It is like
>prayers or sort of therapy?
Yes, it is like prayer and meditation. The heartbeat of the drums
bring the people dem together in one heart, one love, one Inity.
The Ancient Chinese people knew this too, in the I Ching it is written:
Thunder comes resounding out of the earth:
The image of ENTHUSIASM.
Thus the ancient kings made music.
In order to honor merit,
And offered it with splendor
To the Supreme Deity,
Inviting their ancestors to be present.
>There is of course one big question: How come that a nice, educated
>Rastafarian like you, posts in a hostile, mean, ignorant and slimy
>snake pit as ARS? How did you fall in there? Not by accident, it
>appears to me, because you know much about even the worst rattle
>snakes and king kobras of this newsgroup on their posting styles, and
>soon they will post that you locks are fake.
That I started reading and posting in ARS was the result of the
result of the CoS/RTC attacked a whole bunch of Dutch internet
providers and the writer Karin Spaink for putting citations
from material CoS/RTC claimed was copyrighted secret esotheric
scientology writings. I also learned then about how Helena Kobrin
had tried to rmgroup (remove from all newsservers worldwide) this
newsgroup. This got my interest: what is this organisation that
is trying to remove and censor any kind of criticism on them?
I don't judge people posting as animals, because I know that
one is judged like how one judges others. But there's something
very suspicious about an organisation that will go to great
length to stifle any kind of criticism (while listening to
serious criticism can only lead to betterment of things that
are wrong).
>(I am here for defense reasons only. Some animals of this newsgroup
>found out about my legal cases and they "diagnosed" me with probably
>359 and 3/4 mental illnesses. I ignored them for years, but at a
>certain time, I have had it, and I hit back.)
When I look into the ideas of scientology and what it ideally is trying
to achieve, is to become free of automatic reactions. To not have
your 'buttons' pushed against your will. Not to ignore things, but
to accept them as they are, not to react to being 'bullbaited',
but while staying balanced, accept whatever is in front of you
as it is, not be bothered by it, and keep in the flow of doing
your own original things.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>I noticed that you don't poison yourself with hatred against other
>religions or races, so, it seems that your religion works for you.
Hatred brings much pain and distress on all sides. Criticism
can be confronting, but if it is taken seriously and not as
an attack, but as a helpful lesson, and openness to criticism
is a way to (self-)improvement.
>Can't say that much about the some of the socalled Christians that
>post here, or of the socalled Muslims that kill with Jihad.
It's a complicated world out there...
>I understand you don't want to eat meat, but what is that with the
>locks? Why do you keep them growing? And what do you do when they hit
>the ground and sweep the floor behind you?
For the origin of dreadlocks different stories are told.
One of the roots of dreadlocks are the djatta of Indian saddhus,
who worship God in the name and form of Shiva, who is pictured
with djatta/dreadlocks himself. The saddhu tradition was also
an origin of the sacramental use of ganja (which is the Indian
name for cannabis flowering tops) among the Rastafari brethren.
Another story tells how early Rastas had seen pictures in
the National Geographics magazine of Ethiopian priests who
had dreadlocks. Looking in their bibles, they found the
concept of the nazarene vow, which allowed people who were
not of the priest trib of Levi to become a priest, someone
who seperates himself to be dedicated to God. No razor
shall touch his head, and he shall not cut the sides of his
beard. Samson was a nazarene from birth, and lost his
strength after his locks were cut off. Dreadlocks are seen
as a natural crown, as the mane of the conquering lion and
the locks of the lamb.
In many tribal cultures you sometimes find that shamans and/or
elders of the tribe wear their hair in dreadlocks.
I do know someone whose dreads are that long that the sweep the
floor when he has them loose, and he usually wraps them on his
head like a turban and wears a tam over them.
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
You know what, Rasta Robert? There may be red necks, Nazis and other
fanaticals, which discriminate against you, attacking your looks and
perhaps also religion, but it is very hard to find a nice and well
balanced person as you in the newsgroups, esp. ARS. The attacks the
others come up with, shows mainly their own shortcommings,
uncertainty, fears, bias and lack of education. You don't seem to have
a problem with it, and it is rare. The only other rather balanced
person, which I discovered in this newsgroup, is Andrew Robertson.
As your locks are just one meter, you have still years ahead of
thinking about a turban.
But watch some of the posters. They perhaps plot to come with the
scissors after you.
How many Rasta-men and Rasta-women do you estimate are there
worldwide? Do you have an international headquarter?
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSchwarz
> On 10 May 2003 09:38:14 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>
> >> BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz) wrote in message news:<a6bc00a0.03050...@posting.google.com>...
> >>> r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ebab2c7....@news.cistron.nl>...
>
> >I remember that original L. Ron Hubbard Scientology was also teaching
> >vegan diet. That environmental closed protected village, had no
> >butcher store. The Scientologists, Mormons and people of other
> >religion, all would not eat meat. They refused the meat for health
> >reasons, and some for religious reasons. They cooked so delicious,
> >that nobody missed meat.
>
> That sounds like a more ideal form of scientology, which must
> exist/have existed in some alternative parallel universe.
> Your memories sound like you get them from outside the common
> agreed on reality, from a parallel reality where things went/go
> slightly different from this one.
I am not making that up, saying that Scientology got very altered by
infiltrators. I bet that if L. Ron Hubbard would go in an org today,
he would say: "What did you snakes do to my philosphy?"
I think my memories are real. I checked them often. I don not make
them up.
> >I think that animals are thetans, in other words, spiritual beings,
> >and eating them is kind of canibalism. Just take a whole chicken out
> >of a package, it just looks like a naked baby, without a head.
>
> I think that animals are essentially spirits and plants too.
> Canibalism is defined as eating the flesh of its own species.
> By their nature, plants are less attached to their bodies and
> experience less struggle in giving their body in the service
> of other beings than animals. To get an animal to give up
> its body, takes more violence.
> Plants are in a sense more independent, they don't have
> to eat the body of another living being to live, but can
> get their essential energy directly out of the light of the
> sun. All living beings that are not able to do photosynthesis,
> are dependent on the plants to convert sunlight, water, air
> and minerals from the soil to energy-rich food (carbon hydrates/
> sugars).
I think if people had to slaughter their animals themselves, there
would be many more vegetarians. L. Ron Hubbard made experiences in
which he proved that plants feel pain, so there must be a spirit, a
thetan, otherwise it would not feel any.
But we have to eat something. So, I eat vegetables and fruits and hope
they don't suffer too much, if I bite into them.
>
> >>>> While there are some organized Rastafarian groups, of which
> >>>> the most well known is the 12 Tribes of Israel, but there
> >>>> are many groups and many more not strictly organized Rastafarians
> >>>> all over the world. The early Rastafarians needed to recognize God
> >>>> in the image of Haile Selassie, but also said that God is love, that
> >>>> when love is in man, God is in the heart of man, and when man is
> >>>> in love, man is within God. So the Rastafari conception is
> >>>> that God is in man and that man is within God.
> >>>
> >>> That is interesting.
> >
> >Actually, there are some links to Scientology, if you study the
> >Scientology religious basics. The Mormons also believe that they are
> >Gods, and I trust some other religious do that too.
>
> Scientology probably also got those ideas from ancient religious
> teachings from India (a-dvaita/non-duality: tat tvam asi/thou art that).
I rather think that L. Ron Hubbard questioned everything there is and
wrote up what he observed from scratch.
>
> >>>> I am part of an informal group of Rastafarians in my town,
> >>>> and we have weekly meetings where we chant and drum Nyahbinghi
> >>>> songs and rhythms toghether.
>
> >What are you getting out of the chanting and drumming? It is like
> >prayers or sort of therapy?
>
> Yes, it is like prayer and meditation. The heartbeat of the drums
> bring the people dem together in one heart, one love, one Inity.
>
> The Ancient Chinese people knew this too, in the I Ching it is written:
>
> Thunder comes resounding out of the earth:
> The image of ENTHUSIASM.
> Thus the ancient kings made music.
> In order to honor merit,
> And offered it with splendor
> To the Supreme Deity,
> Inviting their ancestors to be present.
But I still have not understood following: Do you believe in one
single able God overlooking the universe, or do you think that God is
spreaded out in the humans only?
>
> >There is of course one big question: How come that a nice, educated
> >Rastafarian like you, posts in a hostile, mean, ignorant and slimy
> >snake pit as ARS? How did you fall in there? Not by accident, it
> >appears to me, because you know much about even the worst rattle
> >snakes and king kobras of this newsgroup on their posting styles, and
> >soon they will post that you locks are fake.
>
> That I started reading and posting in ARS was the result of the
> result of the CoS/RTC attacked a whole bunch of Dutch internet
> providers and the writer Karin Spaink for putting citations
> from material CoS/RTC claimed was copyrighted secret esotheric
> scientology writings. I also learned then about how Helena Kobrin
> had tried to rmgroup (remove from all newsservers worldwide) this
> newsgroup. This got my interest: what is this organisation that
> is trying to remove and censor any kind of criticism on them?
> I don't judge people posting as animals, because I know that
> one is judged like how one judges others. But there's something
> very suspicious about an organisation that will go to great
> length to stifle any kind of criticism (while listening to
> serious criticism can only lead to betterment of things that
> are wrong).
L. Ron Hubbard would have not handled the situation as the RTC and
Kobrin.
Neihter would have I. There are enough data in SCN that says you can't
and should not suppress free speech. He would have rather kicked out
the criminal infiltrators within SCN, that alter SCN, to give it a bad
reputation, and provide fuel to attack.
It's true that good people and good organizations are also attacked by
evil. The Jews surely did not deserve what the Nazis said about them
and did to them. There are enough people that attack SCN, because they
know it is good in its basics and could very well peacefully change
the world to the better. But those attackers got a lot more fuel to
attack by the infiltrators that create bad situations in the orgs. I
know that they exist, I run in them.
>
> >(I am here for defense reasons only. Some animals of this newsgroup
> >found out about my legal cases and they "diagnosed" me with probably
> >359 and 3/4 mental illnesses. I ignored them for years, but at a
> >certain time, I have had it, and I hit back.)
>
> When I look into the ideas of scientology and what it ideally is trying
> to achieve, is to become free of automatic reactions. To not have
> your 'buttons' pushed against your will. Not to ignore things, but
> to accept them as they are, not to react to being 'bullbaited',
> but while staying balanced, accept whatever is in front of you
> as it is, not be bothered by it, and keep in the flow of doing
> your own original things.
>
> Rasta Robert
> --//->
Yes, but there is much more to it. You should read the axioms of SCN.
You have the mind to actually understand them. I hope they are not
altered in meantime. But they helped me to better understand the
universe, the very basic questions about being. And you always should
keep in mind, that L. Ron Hubbard wanted everyone to observe the data
himself, not just believe.
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ec0d569....@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 10 May 2003 09:38:14 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>
>> >> BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz) wrote in message news:<a6bc00a0.03050...@posting.google.com>...
>> >>> r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ebab2c7....@news.cistron.nl>...
>>
>> >I remember that original L. Ron Hubbard Scientology was also teaching
>> >vegan diet. That environmental closed protected village, had no
>> >butcher store. The Scientologists, Mormons and people of other
>> >religion, all would not eat meat. They refused the meat for health
>> >reasons, and some for religious reasons. They cooked so delicious,
>> >that nobody missed meat.
>>
>> That sounds like a more ideal form of scientology, which must
>> exist/have existed in some alternative parallel universe.
>> Your memories sound like you get them from outside the common
>> agreed on reality, from a parallel reality where things went/go
>> slightly different from this one.
>
>I am not making that up, saying that Scientology got very altered by
>infiltrators. I bet that if L. Ron Hubbard would go in an org today,
>he would say: "What did you snakes do to my philosphy?"
>I think my memories are real. I checked them often. I don not make
>them up.
>
I believe you when you say that the memories are real to you.
But i do find it hard to believe that almost all of the
writings of L Ron Hubbard would be completely altered and
substituted with squirrel tech, and that all the recorded
lectures are all faked too.
I don't think you consciouscly made up your memories,
but they may have been made by your subconscious, the same
way it makes dreams at night. I think that maybe the practice
of auditing, which is a kind of regression therapy, may
have 'helped' producing what seem to be genuine memories,
but might be productions of your subconscious creative mind
(that's the 'third mind' that Hubbard forgot to identify
besides the 'analytic mind' and the 'reactive mind', I
think there might be a fourth one, the 'intuitive mind' as
well.
It has been shown in practice that the kind of regression
to past memories like it is also done during auditing, can
very easily lead to 'memories' that seem completely like
genuine remembered memories to the person experiencing
them, but can be proven to have never possibly happened.
Believe me, this is not uncommon, and our minds can
fool us in what are real memories and what are not.
>
>> >I think that animals are thetans, in other words, spiritual beings,
>> >and eating them is kind of canibalism. Just take a whole chicken out
>> >of a package, it just looks like a naked baby, without a head.
>>
>> I think that animals are essentially spirits and plants too.
>> Canibalism is defined as eating the flesh of its own species.
>> By their nature, plants are less attached to their bodies and
>> experience less struggle in giving their body in the service
>> of other beings than animals. To get an animal to give up
>> its body, takes more violence.
>> Plants are in a sense more independent, they don't have
>> to eat the body of another living being to live, but can
>> get their essential energy directly out of the light of the
>> sun. All living beings that are not able to do photosynthesis,
>> are dependent on the plants to convert sunlight, water, air
>> and minerals from the soil to energy-rich food (carbon hydrates/
>> sugars).
>
>I think if people had to slaughter their animals themselves, there
>would be many more vegetarians. L. Ron Hubbard made experiences in
>which he proved that plants feel pain, so there must be a spirit, a
>thetan, otherwise it would not feel any.
Yes, I think too, that if one wants too eat meat, one should be
prepared to hunt or butcher it oneself. I don't have an issue
with traditional hunter/gatherer peoples who usually have much
knowledge and respect for the animals they hunt, and who honor the
principle that before you can hunt an animal, you must get to know
it so well that you can almost be that animal, and so there is
the respect and spiritual awareness of the relation between the
hunter and the prey. In modern days the responsibilty of killing
and butchering the animals is left to others and kept out of sight.
If the meat-eaters would all get a tour through a slaughterhouse,
I bet 2/3 of them would stop eating meat there and then.
Plants do register threatening situations like fire and insects
that eat them, and communicate whith each other with chemical
signals, plants that are attacked by insects for example send
out a signal so that other plants around are warned and start
to produce toxins against the insects if that is withing their
genetic programming.
>But we have to eat something. So, I eat vegetables and fruits and hope
>they don't suffer too much, if I bite into them.
>
Yes we're all addicted to the essential amino-acids, carbo-hydrates,
vitamins etc, so best to find a way that is more or less non-violent,
based on learning to feel what your body really needs.
I have sometimes since I stopped eating meat, eaten some fish
when I felt my body was realy asking for it, and one time when
I was in Australia with some Aboriginal people who had just caught
a fish from the sea and cooked it in hot ashes on the beach.
When one poses limitations upon oneself it is also sometimes good
to limit the limitation, and not be absolutely dogmatic and 'principled'.
>> >
>> >Actually, there are some links to Scientology, if you study the
>> >Scientology religious basics. The Mormons also believe that they are
>> >Gods, and I trust some other religious do that too.
>>
>> Scientology probably also got those ideas from ancient religious
>> teachings from India (a-dvaita/non-duality: tat tvam asi/thou art that).
>
>I rather think that L. Ron Hubbard questioned everything there is and
>wrote up what he observed from scratch.
>
On this we have to differ in opinion then, I guess.
I don't tend to idealise LR Hubbard as it looks to me
you do, but in your version I think that you can take
my comments on Hubbard to be on the infiltrator double
of Hubbard and the infiltrators who substituted fake
writings.
>>
>> >What are you getting out of the chanting and drumming? It is like
>> >prayers or sort of therapy?
>>
>> Yes, it is like prayer and meditation. The heartbeat of the drums
>> bring the people dem together in one heart, one love, one Inity.
>>
>> The Ancient Chinese people knew this too, in the I Ching it is written:
>>
>> Thunder comes resounding out of the earth:
>> The image of ENTHUSIASM.
>> Thus the ancient kings made music.
>> In order to honor merit,
>> And offered it with splendor
>> To the Supreme Deity,
>> Inviting their ancestors to be present.
>
>But I still have not understood following: Do you believe in one
>single able God overlooking the universe, or do you think that God is
>spreaded out in the humans only?
>
Is there a single love in the universe or is love spread out
in the humans only? Different way of wording the same question.
God is the unity of unities, and trancends the paradoxical
illusions of polarity and sepration/duality, which are more
a function of how our mind and senses work.
>>
>> >There is of course one big question: How come that a nice, educated
>> >Rastafarian like you, posts in a hostile, mean, ignorant and slimy
>> >snake pit as ARS? How did you fall in there? Not by accident, it
>> >appears to me, because you know much about even the worst rattle
>> >snakes and king kobras of this newsgroup on their posting styles, and
>> >soon they will post that you locks are fake.
>>
>> That I started reading and posting in ARS was the result of the
>> result of the CoS/RTC attacked a whole bunch of Dutch internet
>> providers and the writer Karin Spaink for putting citations
>> from material CoS/RTC claimed was copyrighted secret esotheric
>> scientology writings. I also learned then about how Helena Kobrin
>> had tried to rmgroup (remove from all newsservers worldwide) this
>> newsgroup. This got my interest: what is this organisation that
>> is trying to remove and censor any kind of criticism on them?
>> I don't judge people posting as animals, because I know that
>> one is judged like how one judges others. But there's something
>> very suspicious about an organisation that will go to great
>> length to stifle any kind of criticism (while listening to
>> serious criticism can only lead to betterment of things that
>> are wrong).
>
>L. Ron Hubbard would have not handled the situation as the RTC and
>Kobrin.
This might have been, but because RTC/COS are not not adapting
to the changes of the times and new developements, but still apply
organisational procedures that haven't been changed in decennia.
>Neihter would have I. There are enough data in SCN that says you can't
>and should not suppress free speech. He would have rather kicked out
>the criminal infiltrators within SCN, that alter SCN, to give it a bad
>reputation, and provide fuel to attack.
If Scientology would have developed as you picture your ideal
of it, I think most of even the fanatical anti-scientologists
here would have no fight with it, and would not attack it like
is done now. Many/most of the critics of scientology have
a lot less problems with freezoners who just practice the 'tech'
amongst themselves, and who don't use the dirty legal tactics
of RTC to scare off criticism.
>It's true that good people and good organizations are also attacked by
>evil. The Jews surely did not deserve what the Nazis said about them
>and did to them. There are enough people that attack SCN, because they
>know it is good in its basics and could very well peacefully change
>the world to the better. But those attackers got a lot more fuel to
>attack by the infiltrators that create bad situations in the orgs. I
>know that they exist, I run in them.
>
Of course there are people who would attack good people or organisations,
but with the church of scientology it unfortunately seems that
they abuse the idea that any criticism or perceived 'attack'
is done by a criminal who is against people getting better.
it is shortsighted that they don't take criticism seriously and look
if there might be a real reason for the criticism, and if thing
can be improved.
>> >(I am here for defense reasons only. Some animals of this newsgroup
>> >found out about my legal cases and they "diagnosed" me with probably
>> >359 and 3/4 mental illnesses. I ignored them for years, but at a
>> >certain time, I have had it, and I hit back.)
>>
>> When I look into the ideas of scientology and what it ideally is trying
>> to achieve, is to become free of automatic reactions. To not have
>> your 'buttons' pushed against your will. Not to ignore things, but
>> to accept them as they are, not to react to being 'bullbaited',
>> but while staying balanced, accept whatever is in front of you
>> as it is, not be bothered by it, and keep in the flow of doing
>> your own original things.
>>
>> Rasta Robert
>> --//->
>
>Yes, but there is much more to it. You should read the axioms of SCN.
>You have the mind to actually understand them. I hope they are not
>altered in meantime. But they helped me to better understand the
>universe, the very basic questions about being. And you always should
>keep in mind, that L. Ron Hubbard wanted everyone to observe the data
>himself, not just believe.
I think they must be altered them then, because what the CoS
presents as the Scientology axioms, is a bunch of
statements that are pretty hard to accept as axiomatic.
Some of it lookes slightly like it might be derived from
Aleister Crowley's Qabalistic 'Naples Arrangement',
three levels of 'nothing' (abstract condition), and
ten successive ideas/dimensions/emanations (described
in "the Book of Thoth" and probably also in "Liber 777".
Rasta Robert
--//->
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>
>You know what, Rasta Robert? There may be red necks, Nazis and other
>fanaticals, which discriminate against you, attacking your looks and
>perhaps also religion, but it is very hard to find a nice and well
>balanced person as you in the newsgroups, esp. ARS. The attacks the
>others come up with, shows mainly their own shortcommings,
>uncertainty, fears, bias and lack of education. You don't seem to have
>a problem with it, and it is rare. The only other rather balanced
>person, which I discovered in this newsgroup, is Andrew Robertson.
>
>As your locks are just one meter, you have still years ahead of
>thinking about a turban.
>
True.
>But watch some of the posters. They perhaps plot to come with the
>scissors after you.
>
I'm not afraid of it.
>How many Rasta-men and Rasta-women do you estimate are there
>worldwide? Do you have an international headquarter?
>
My rough estimate is between 144.000 and 1440.000
Rastafarians worldwide, but remember that it's just
a wild guess ;)
Because Rastafarians are not organised into a formal
Church or organisation there is not an international
headquarter as such. The church of a Rastafarian is
his/her own human body.
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
Not everything is altered, but most. Data are taken out, twisted, and
information is added. If you have personally an idea how L. Ron
Hubbard was really like, you can sort it out, however. It's easy to
fake taped lectures and to cut text out and copy other text in.
>
> I don't think you consciouscly made up your memories,
> but they may have been made by your subconscious, the same
> way it makes dreams at night. I think that maybe the practice
> of auditing, which is a kind of regression therapy, may
> have 'helped' producing what seem to be genuine memories,
> but might be productions of your subconscious creative mind
> (that's the 'third mind' that Hubbard forgot to identify
> besides the 'analytic mind' and the 'reactive mind', I
> think there might be a fourth one, the 'intuitive mind' as
> well.
I did not get much auditing in the orgs. I just came till life repair
and objectives. It seems nobody wanted to audit me, everyone was
afraid that I could find out about my past. I did not run anything I
remembered later in auditing sessions. Actually, most memory came when
one of my wild neighbors in Germany kicked me down a stairwell. I
fell, and suddenly I remembered.
But yes, I am working also with intuition, and mostly, it works.
>
> It has been shown in practice that the kind of regression
> to past memories like it is also done during auditing, can
> very easily lead to 'memories' that seem completely like
> genuine remembered memories to the person experiencing
> them, but can be proven to have never possibly happened.
> Believe me, this is not uncommon, and our minds can
> fool us in what are real memories and what are not.
Yes, but my memory are very three dimentional. They not just shades. I
can describe situations very exactly. I even have the smell of those
places in my noise. And again, I did not any memory in an auditing
session. I had once an auditor, and I saw her breathing relief, when I
did not remember. That made me think too.
I don't know what kind of axioms you read, but those that I have
studied many years back, explained the start of the universe
perfectly, and they had nothing to do with what you mentioned above. I
recently read a complaint by another Scientologist. He compared
earlier and current Scientology material and said it is being changed,
changed, and changed from what it was in original.
I have not much time today, Rasta Robert, I hope I have time to come
back to this thread later, I have to go to my "How the reporter lied
to me" threads.
Barbara Schwarz
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ec22e90....@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 13 May 2003 10:02:11 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>>Yes, but there is much more to it. You should read the axioms of SCN.
>>>You have the mind to actually understand them. I hope they are not
>>>altered in meantime. But they helped me to better understand the
>>>universe, the very basic questions about being. And you always should
>>>keep in mind, that L. Ron Hubbard wanted everyone to observe the data
>>>himself, not just believe.
>>
>> I think they must be altered them then, because what the CoS
>> presents as the Scientology axioms, is a bunch of
>> statements that are pretty hard to accept as axiomatic.
>> Some of it lookes slightly like it might be derived from
>> Aleister Crowley's Qabalistic 'Naples Arrangement',
>> three levels of 'nothing' (abstract condition), and
>> ten successive ideas/dimensions/emanations (described
>> in "the Book of Thoth" and probably also in "Liber 777".
>
>I don't know what kind of axioms you read, but those that I have
>studied many years back, explained the start of the universe
>perfectly, and they had nothing to do with what you mentioned above.
I was mistaken with this, it is actually the 'factors' that
look as if they are derived from the Naples Arrangement.
>I recently read a complaint by another Scientologist. He compared
>earlier and current Scientology material and said it is being changed,
>changed, and changed from what it was in original.
I've read some of these comparisons too, and it looks like
some sentences and paragraphs are removed in newer versions
of books and tape tanscripts. Not so much that it totally
alters the meaning however, as you seem to claim. Of that I
have not seen convincing evidence yet.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<3ec22e90....@news.cistron.nl>...
>> On 13 May 2003 10:02:11 -0700, BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com (BarbaraSchwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>>I am not making that up, saying that Scientology got very altered by
>>>infiltrators. I bet that if L. Ron Hubbard would go in an org today,
>>>he would say: "What did you snakes do to my philosphy?"
>>>I think my memories are real. I checked them often. I don not make
>>>them up.
>>>
>>
>> I believe you when you say that the memories are real to you.
>> But i do find it hard to believe that almost all of the
>> writings of L Ron Hubbard would be completely altered and
>> substituted with squirrel tech, and that all the recorded
>> lectures are all faked too.
>
>Not everything is altered, but most. Data are taken out, twisted, and
>information is added. If you have personally an idea how L. Ron
>Hubbard was really like, you can sort it out, however. It's easy to
>fake taped lectures and to cut text out and copy other text in.
>
I still find it very hard to believe that some much got altered so
radically, and that this was already taking place when L Ron Hubbard
was alive, and he never noticed that the books that were published
were different from what he wrote, and that the tapes of his lectures
were heavily edited and altered, and he never noticed it.
My idea of how L Ron Hubbard was is not as ideal and positive
as you express your idea about him.
>>
>> I don't think you consciouscly made up your memories,
>> but they may have been made by your subconscious, the same
>> way it makes dreams at night. I think that maybe the practice
>> of auditing, which is a kind of regression therapy, may
>> have 'helped' producing what seem to be genuine memories,
>> but might be productions of your subconscious creative mind
>> (that's the 'third mind' that Hubbard forgot to identify
>> besides the 'analytic mind' and the 'reactive mind', I
>> think there might be a fourth one, the 'intuitive mind' as
>> well.
>
>I did not get much auditing in the orgs. I just came till life repair
>and objectives.
What did this involve? Did you do TR's? Follow courses/workshops?
It is peculiar that you tell you didn't get much auditing, I
thought auditing was more or less the core practice of a scientologist,
attempting to clear the reactive mind and transfer traumatic memories
from being engrans to conscious memories stored in the analytic part of
the mind.
>It seems nobody wanted to audit me, everyone was
>afraid that I could find out about my past. I did not run anything I
>remembered later in auditing sessions. Actually, most memory came when
>one of my wild neighbors in Germany kicked me down a stairwell. I
>fell, and suddenly I remembered.
That's quite an remarkable story. I think that false memories
can also be caused by very stressful situations like you describe
when you suddenly got this (maybe false) memory.
>But yes, I am working also with intuition, and mostly, it works.
Yes it goes a long way when you are an intuitive person.
>> It has been shown in practice that the kind of regression
>> to past memories like it is also done during auditing, can
>> very easily lead to 'memories' that seem completely like
>> genuine remembered memories to the person experiencing
>> them, but can be proven to have never possibly happened.
>> Believe me, this is not uncommon, and our minds can
>> fool us in what are real memories and what are not.
>
>Yes, but my memory are very three dimentional. They not just shades. I
>can describe situations very exactly. I even have the smell of those
>places in my noise. And again, I did not any memory in an auditing
>session. I had once an auditor, and I saw her breathing relief, when I
>did not remember. That made me think too.
What you describe, the memories having smells etc. is in fact a quality
'false memories' have more often that 'real memories'.
You could have interpreted the sigh of the auditer as a sigh of relief
for not remembering, but maybe she sighed for a completely different
reason. You may be drawing a conclusion that is not really warranted.
Rasta Robert
--//->
BarbaraSchwarz
You are entitled to your opinion, Rasta Robert, but I knew L. Ron
Hubbard. He is very very different from what the people say about him
in this newsgroup and also very different from how the Church of
Scientology describes him today.
The Scientology orgs were infiltrated pretty much from the start. He
could not go in the orgs himself to see what is on the bookshelfs and
what they study, because the German still active Nazi secret service
had snipers that waited outside to shot him. He also did not want to
risk the life of any Scientologist or anybody else by going in the
orgs. They used the snipers to disconnect him from Scientology.
>
> >>
> >> I don't think you consciouscly made up your memories,
> >> but they may have been made by your subconscious, the same
> >> way it makes dreams at night. I think that maybe the practice
> >> of auditing, which is a kind of regression therapy, may
> >> have 'helped' producing what seem to be genuine memories,
> >> but might be productions of your subconscious creative mind
> >> (that's the 'third mind' that Hubbard forgot to identify
> >> besides the 'analytic mind' and the 'reactive mind', I
> >> think there might be a fourth one, the 'intuitive mind' as
> >> well.
> >
> >I did not get much auditing in the orgs. I just came till life repair
> >and objectives.
>
> What did this involve? Did you do TR's? Follow courses/workshops?
> It is peculiar that you tell you didn't get much auditing, I
> thought auditing was more or less the core practice of a scientologist,
> attempting to clear the reactive mind and transfer traumatic memories
> from being engrans to conscious memories stored in the analytic part of
> the mind.
Yes, of course, I did the communication course. I went exterior during
the time of the communication course, which is an incredible feeling,
and you become even more aware that you are a spirit and not your
body, that you have a body, but that you are a thetan, a soul. I also
studied a number of other courses, but I studied more, than I received
auditing. I recalled that Ron himself had audited me. I also found out
that I was a past life clear in the few auditing sessions that I
received in the Munich org. But I did not get much auditing in the
Munich org, or in other orgs after I was seperated from Ron and Marty,
because apparently, everybody knew that I had an altered memory, that
psychs had gotten their dirty hands on me, that I could not remember a
past of my life anymore, and those Scientologists did not want to
touch the subject. I found out myself a while later, and puzzled the
things together. - And somebody stole my PC folders. I was told in
1986 or so, that they had disappeared from the orgs.
>
> >It seems nobody wanted to audit me, everyone was
> >afraid that I could find out about my past. I did not run anything I
> >remembered later in auditing sessions. Actually, most memory came when
> >one of my wild neighbors in Germany kicked me down a stairwell. I
> >fell, and suddenly I remembered.
>
> That's quite an remarkable story. I think that false memories
> can also be caused by very stressful situations like you describe
> when you suddenly got this (maybe false) memory.
I know that violence (and not by Scientologists) took my memory, and
violence (also not by Scio's) recovered the memory again. Some of what
I know today I had recovered before the neighbor pushed me down the
stairs, but this kind of memory was also set lose during a string of
events in which people tried to pull the rugs underneath my feets, as
described in former installments of this series. - With professional
auditing, that memory could have restored without violence, but it
happened that in my case, violence sort of set the information free.
There is indeed such a thing as false memories, but my memories are so
detailed, with all kinds of perceptions, that I think it is impossible
to forge those. They are more than just water colored picture, they
are as real as my computer screen in front of me right now.
> >But yes, I am working also with intuition, and mostly, it works.
>
> Yes it goes a long way when you are an intuitive person.
Correct. I am also operating with the SCN data that thetan basically
knows, even if the is not being told. We are all sort of connected,
that is why we often can tell what happens elsewhere, because we can
become aware of that.
>
> >> It has been shown in practice that the kind of regression
> >> to past memories like it is also done during auditing, can
> >> very easily lead to 'memories' that seem completely like
> >> genuine remembered memories to the person experiencing
> >> them, but can be proven to have never possibly happened.
> >> Believe me, this is not uncommon, and our minds can
> >> fool us in what are real memories and what are not.
> >
> >Yes, but my memory are very three dimentional. They not just shades. I
> >can describe situations very exactly. I even have the smell of those
> >places in my noise. And again, I did not any memory in an auditing
> >session. I had once an auditor, and I saw her breathing relief, when I
> >did not remember. That made me think too.
>
> What you describe, the memories having smells etc. is in fact a quality
> 'false memories' have more often that 'real memories'.
> You could have interpreted the sigh of the auditer as a sigh of relief
> for not remembering, but maybe she sighed for a completely different
> reason. You may be drawing a conclusion that is not really warranted.
>
> Rasta Robert
> --//->
We can discuss that for ages. I don't want and don't have to convince
you or others that my memories are real. I just know for myself that
they are real. It is also not only the smell, it is also the three
dimentional pictures that I have from a time, of which others try to
convince me did not happen.
And trust me, the auditor in Munich, she was actually a friendly
woman, despite being once married to a psychiatrist, did breath relief
that I did not go deeper in my past. She knew what had happened to me
and was glad that I did not run it in her session.
I also remember that we did a Book one workshop in Munich, with book
one auditing. It ended up that I was audited by a guy in front of many
people for just s short time. The Div 6 hall was suddenly filled with
people comming everywhere from other Divisions of the orgs. They
wanted to know what I am running, because everybody knew that it could
be the sort of things, people ususally don't remember. But I did not
run much, so the crowd went away, but I have never seen so much fuzz
about a person that was book one audited for just a couple of minutes.
Barbara Schwarz