Part 80: Barbara Schwarz reveals shocking news!
BarbaraSchwarz
"Parent-Initiative-Day, in German town Ingolfing, on December 8, 1984.
Those Scientology attackers with their German propaganda tricks tried
always to paint the wrongful picture that Scientologists were
juveniles, and that it would be alright by the parents to disturb
their right as legal adults by attacking and stealing their religious
belief. I was a legal adult, but through that German Anti-Scientology
hate propaganda, RB was so influenced and mindcontrolled that in her
eyes, I was still in diapers or something like it, and I should be
home with her playing with dolls and nothing else.
I remember a big event by Scientology attackers in Munich, organized
by them to make the lives of legal adult Scientologists a living hell
by injecting lies and fears in the minds of their relatives, which
were no Scientologists. One day, Charlotte Propach was tired of
hearing that she is a juvenile, and that her parents should get her
out of Scientology, because she was able to think for herself.
Charlotte was a doctor of Botanic and became a staffmember of the
Munich Scientology org. She was 80 years old and held a speech on this
event, but with no result. The Germans and the anti-Scientologists
don't respect any rights of Scientologists, and if Charlottes parents
would have been still alive, the Scientology attackers would have
asked her parents to kidnap their 80 year old "child" to deprogram her
from Scientology.
Back to the other event in Ingolfing: RB wrote that she was charged
150 Marks for membership and lunch. Can you believe that? 150 Marks
just to hear hate speeches and for a sandwich? The Scientology
attackers are hypocrites by attacking Scientology on it's prices by
being themselves masters of overcharging. - That is also why I am
convinced that the prices of Scientology are not made by L. Ron
Hubbard or real Scientologists, but the Scientology infiltrators, the
agents of the Scientology attackers. They make the high prices to have
something they can attack Scientology on. Ron rather would have more
Scientologists on earth than orgs that charge that high.
RB wrote that Friedrich Willhelm Haack ordered RB's friend Josef
Beneken and apparently others to conceal everything that was done to
me by the German government and it's psychs. My treatment is Germany's
dirty little secret and everything that could shed light on it, must
be prevented. Haack was like Saddam Hussein, a dictator, apparently
nobody had the right of freedom of speech.
RB revealed now to me that Peter Gauweiler was also sceduled to be a
main speaker of this event, in other words, to spread more hatred
against Scientologists and more lies against Scientology in German
Nazi style. But when Gauweiler heard that RB was in the audience,
ready to question him why he blackmailed, pressured, intimidated,
harassed and threatened me earlier that year, he suddenly declined to
speak and just sat quiety in Haack's group without saying a word. -
What a slimy coward Peter Gauweiler is.
RB also wrote that Peter Gauweiler visited Iraq, Baghdad, Saddam
Hussein's government only a few years ago and beamed on German TV how
he enjoyed having been pampered by Saddam's government. He stressed
how well he felt as a German in Saddam's Iraq.
I woudn't be surprised to hear that Gauweiler and Saddam tortured some
people together, after all I can say about Gauweiler, he surely knew
how to torture me. That is why Germany protected Saddam as long as
possible: they are so much alike.
(I bet that Germany also has a lot to do with that Bin Laden and
Saddam came away and that they know where they are hiding. Saddam's
Bunker was build by a German. Saddam's top science advisor, Amer
al-Saadi is married to Helga, a German national. Looks to me that
Germans told al-Saadi to give himself up to the USA to mislead the USA
to believe that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, since the
Germans made more money than any other country with making arms deal
with Iraq. Another scientists said that Iraq had the WMD but destroyed
them just before the USA marched in Iraq, so that USA would not find
them.)
Anyway, RB wrote that Bavarian Senator Burnhauser spoke also on that
December 8, 1994 event, promoting illegal steps by individuals against
Scientology. (Mr. Burnhauser, if you are still alive, how assisting me
to sue the German government and their psychs for everthing they did
to me? My life in the Scientology orgs was a walk in the park compared
to what the Anti-Scientology hate campaign, the German authorities and
the psychs did to me.)
Otherwise, RB mentioned that high powered German politicans (Nazis in
my language) participated in that event, as Geisler from the political
party CDU, and others as von Gienanth, a fanatical professor with name
Gerke and his wife Gerda, some other fanatical from Leverkusen with
name Zoebel, and many more. (I'll bet they still weep in their pillows
that Hitler is gone and they can't use the gas oven on the
Scientologists anymore.) The hatred that those people spread against
the Scientologists is really the same kind that lead to the murder of
millions of Jews in Germany. There were Scientologists which digged
out statements that the Nazis made against the Jews and compared them
with the statements against Scientology: And what a "surprise", the
statements were very much the same.
RB wrote that Gauweiler got old and fat before his time. I will ask RB
if he still has that nasty little Hitler moustache. Hey, Gauweiler,
evil deeds aren't so good for the looks, aren't they? You should see
how well preserved I still look, because I don't belong to any axis of
evil.
There will be another installment in this series.
Barbara Schwarz,
April 21, 2003
PSn
Have you LIVED in Germany? Odds are, you haven't. I can tell in one easy
way. You toss the word "Nazi" around for anything that contradicts your
other-worldly point of view. I dare you to go to Germany and use that word.
Please do.
In Germany, it's a cultural thing (at least outside of the actual neo-Nazi
skinhead groups) to NOT use the word Nazi, or do anything with Nazis or
handle anything resembling Nazism. To call someone in Germany is not only
insulting, it's a crime. To call someone a Nazi in Germany is much like
calling someone a "Nigger" in the U.S.; degrading of the person down to a
mere label as well as insulting their culture and background.
Every time I see your posts here, I usually read them because they are
mildly entertaining (so insane) and because I know others will bring them
up. However, every time I get started, I get that shudder down my spine.
That brief shudder that I get when people use other racial slurs. While
you're calling Germans "Nazis", you might as well wave around terms in the
same league. I'd never bring friends to see you. I'd be afraid you'd call
them "Kikes", "Spics", and "Chinks".
You are a racist woman who hates a country for not wanting to get taken over
by the most insidious organization known to man. An organization that has
done dirty tricks so harsh, it'd make the CIA blush.
In addition, comparing the plight of the Jewish people during the holocaust
to preventing a greedy company from infecting their government with
mind-control propaganda (or "technology", if you prefer) is an insult to the
Jewish people, which I suppose is normal for you.
Move your racist comments elsewhere; usenet has plently of places out there
for someone so hateful of the rest of the world, someone such as yourself.
PSn
"BarbaraSchwarz" <BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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BarbaraSchwarz
> Here's a question for you. And I honestly want you to answer this.
>
> Have you LIVED in Germany? Odds are, you haven't. I can tell in one easy
> way. You toss the word "Nazi" around for anything that contradicts your
> other-worldly point of view. I dare you to go to Germany and use that word.
> Please do.
Listen, you anonymous coward with a German Nazi mind controller: Read
the former installments of this series, and you will see how much I
have to suffer under the Germans. Is this is not Nazi-Germany anymore,
what is it then?
Before you post uninformed about me, you should educate yourself
first. I posted so much about my life in Germany, that just an
ignorant fool would say that I did not live there.
I will not go to Germany? Do you think I am suicidal? The Germans have
exchanged the Scientologists with the Jews. Yes, I said in Germany
that the Germans are still Nazis, and I almost did not get out of
Germany alive.
They are still Nazis, but when you say the truth, they come after you.
They are just was worse as the Taliban, Hussein's Iraq and other
suppressive governments.
Don't try to educate me about Germany, because you did not live there,
but I was kidnapped in that freaking God-forsaken Country and I don't
want to be burried there.
Yes, the Germans cover up that they are still Nazis, that is why I had
no freedom of speech in Germany. Your comparison with the "N" word is
competely out of line. Many Germans are still Nazis. I heard it so
often from a German (not a skin head) that Hitler was a good man with
great ideas, and that long long after Hitler was defeated.
Germans are still Nazis, but black people were never "N.....". That is
typically German, to compare them with that race that they also
suppressed here in the USA by running secretly the Klu Klux Klan.
> In Germany, it's a cultural thing (at least outside of the actual neo-Nazi
> skinhead groups) to NOT use the word Nazi, or do anything with Nazis or
> handle anything resembling Nazism. To call someone in Germany is not only
> insulting, it's a crime. To call someone a Nazi in Germany is much like
> calling someone a "Nigger" in the U.S.; degrading of the person down to a
> mere label as well as insulting their culture and background.
You are the kind of guy, the German still active Nazis love. A guy so
blind to what they still do, that they can come away with their
ongoing atrocities.You have a German mindcontroller. He made you write
that. You probably were a German in your past life, that is why you
shudder.
Scientology doesn't want to take Germany over. You suffer from
persecution mania, my friend. Scientologists in Germanty just want to
live in peace. You are so uneducated about what happened the
Scientologists in Germany, that it really hurts.
You are the racist, because you cover actively German Nazi activities
up.
If something is foul in Scientology, then because the German still
active Nazi secret service infiltrated the orgs re-wrote policies and
created problems on the inside to give the ourside Nazis a
justification to attack from the outside. Those are the people that
have their hats full with dirty tricks.
I am not only a Scio, I am also a Jew. I suffered in Germany terribly.
They abused me and ruined my health, just in the Concentration Camps.
All I can say to you: Heil Hitler, because that is your midncontroller
and your posting really insulted me and all I had to suffer in
Germany.
Barbara Schwarz
Pedro Freudenberg
> Listen, you anonymous coward with a German Nazi mind controller: Read
> the former installments of this series, and you will see how much I
> have to suffer under the Germans. Is this is not Nazi-Germany anymore,
> what is it then?
The only folks who suffer in this game are those whose bandwith you are
wasting with your insane Hitler-propaganda-style hate articles. The
ridiculous thing is that while you are an active member of a
Nazi-organisation you constantly accuse others of being just that.
In fact, you are the prototype of a German, Ma'am. "Eva Braun" would be more
of an appropriate name for you than "Barbara Schwarz".
BarbaraSchwarz
I honestly ask you, what is your name? Why do you post anonymously?
You want me to answer you honestly if I ever LIVED in Germany? You
posted that you would read my postings, how come you missed the
foregoing 79 installments of this series? Your question is answered
right in those sequels. I urge you to read this series in full,
because you postings about the Germans are very very unqualified.
But I will also answer that question here. Did I ever live in Germany?
The answer is: no. I SUFFERED for approximately 30 years in Germany!
And that thanks to the still active German NAZIs, which are not just
skin heads, the next door neighbors, but the German government and
it's psychiatrists, and also other people in all levels of the German
society.
I was there. Who in the world channelled in your ear drums that the
Germans are so innocent now, just because they lost WW II. What do you
think made that brutal folk to saints? The loss of a war? It made them
just more covertly hateful. The Germans should have needed education
to evolve from the mean beast in humans. They did not get that. They
are still the beast.
Barbara Schwarz
PSn
>
Those who are trustworthy enough to know my name know it. People who I can
trust not to sell me out to Scientology, Inc. can know my name. You can't.
I post anonymously for the same reasons that many others have wrote
anonymous works while in fear of their livelihoods from oppressive groups.
I fear Scientology, Inc., mainly because it spends more in one year on their
lawyers than my entire family has made in the past ten years. I fear
Scientology because I barely make enough money as a student, to pay for my
car, let alone enough money to fight a multinational corporate entity that
has no sympathy even for its own members.
> You want me to answer you honestly if I ever LIVED in Germany? You
> posted that you would read my postings, how come you missed the
> foregoing 79 installments of this series?
Well, you also claim to live in a dust-free dome and think Xenu is still in
a electronic fortress in a mountain.
>Your question is answered
> right in those sequels. I urge you to read this series in full,
> because you postings about the Germans are very very unqualified.
>
My postings are quite qualified. I lived there for several years, and all I
found were a friendly people. It's odd that only Scientologists seem to
believe that Germany is a Nazi-controlled state.
> But I will also answer that question here. Did I ever live in Germany?
> The answer is: no. I SUFFERED for approximately 30 years in Germany!
30 years? How old are you?
> And that thanks to the still active German NAZIs, which are not just
> skin heads, the next door neighbors, but the German government and
> it's psychiatrists, and also other people in all levels of the German
> society.
>
Name names and give proof. List sources other than yourself. When you make
a claim that radical, you should give some evidence. Accusations with no
substance is slander/libel.
> I was there. Who in the world channelled in your ear drums that the
> Germans are so innocent now, just because they lost WW II. What do you
> think made that brutal folk to saints? The loss of a war? It made them
> just more covertly hateful. The Germans should have needed education
> to evolve from the mean beast in humans. They did not get that. They
> are still the beast.
>
Well, there were also several decades of foreign control/occupation. In
addition, our culture lost Vietnam. Trace back from the 50's and you'll see
how quickly a culture can turn around.
It also doesn't help to prove that you're not racist by referring to an
entire group of people as animals, or as you put it, "beast".
> Barbara Schwarz
PSn
BarbaraSchwarz
I have no time and also don't see the need to respond to each Nazi
heckler that replies to my postings, so I just concentrate briefly on
you, cowardly and anyonymous PSn.
The only reason you post anonymous is, because you, like other
anonymous posters, feel easier spreading your lies and hatred around.
If you have no dirty hands, no crimes to hide, why would you be afraid
if Scientologist knows your name? You fear Scientology, because your
accussations and attacks against Scientology are unbased, are
criminal, and you know that.
I am not afraid of Scientology at all. Not of any Scientologist there
is. And I even claim that the orgs are illegally infiltrated by
non-Scientologists, people of your kind, PSn. You are afraid that
Scientology sues you for money? If you would not lie and spread hate
about Scientology, they could not do anything to you. A judge would
simply rule that you committed no crime and that the orgs have to pay
the bills. But you know you are lying and spreading falsehoods, that
is why you are afraid.
You post like a student, a guy who still thinks like a stupid child
and not like an adult. How old I am? Not as old as Barb Graham, but
with a lot more life experience as you.
You lived in Germany for several years? Where exactly? As you are so
young, if you ever were over there, how little were you? What does a
kid as you know about the Nazis, except finding them chic and finding
it cool to defend them? I don't know what nationality you have, but
your own country has no reason to be proud of you. Don't claim you are
an American. You are a traitor. Why did you not stay in still existing
Nazi Germany? They like corrupt fools as you are, that is why they
treated you well. (They probably gave you lollipops to make your teeth
fall out, that is what you call good treatment?)
How can an American "feel shudders" by Nazi critic, if not a secret
Nazi himself?
That of all the people in the world it is you, who claims that
accusations without no substance is libel and slander, is
unbelieveable. You are using libel and slander against me, Scientology
and also other Scientologists. You should first proof that your
accussations against me and Scientology are the truth, before you ask
me for proof.
You apparently have a problem duplicating. I wrote you before that you
should read the former 79 installments in this series. The proof, that
Germany has still a Nazi government is right in there.
Note also, that I don't want to meet you nor any of your friends. If
they are like you, they are like German GESTAPO anyway. What did the
still existing German Nazi secret service offer you in exchange for
defending their Nazi honor? Help with your car payments?
The USA started and lost the Vietnam war, because the United States
was already secretly German infiltrated. It's their product. It's also
possible that we lost the war, because Barb Graham made the
translations.
The world is infiltrated since a very long time, and just because the
Germans lost WW II doesn't mean that they gave up their criminal
infiltration positions in other governments or any of their sick
ideas. (You still have not studied what was going on in Operation
Paperclip and why that the Gehlen Nazy Spy Ring was never dismantled,
don't you?) What do you learn in your college anyway, except the false
information, that the culture (do you mean the Germans?) turned
around?
It's a lie. I heard it so often from Germans that Hitler was a good
man and his ideas were wonderful, the Jews and the Scientologists are
the bad people, and that they deserved what ever is done against them.
I have to end this now. I have no time nor agenda to try to convince a
retarded guy like you or the other hecklers from the truth.
You are trying to grow a small Hitler moustache yourself?
Just a final word: You posted yourself that saying in Germany that
Germans are still Nazis will get you arrested. From my former
installments you know that the Germans did any rotten thing to me
there is, also shorten my lifespan, the only thing they did not yet,
is murdering me.
You wrote, that I should go to Germany and say that they are still
Nazis. (I did that, and that is why I had to flee.) By trying to lure
me to Germany, you are trying to be an accomplish in my murder. You
are one "fine" person. I bet you were a German in your pastlife. You
are everything else than an American in your attitude. The Germans
steal real Americans and give them out as their own. How about we
giving you back to the Germans (still existing Nazis) and get the true
Americans back in exchange?
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSchwarz
That is typically German Nazi strategy. They simply twist everything
all the facts around, just as they did claiming that the American Jews
are responsible for the Holocaust and not the German Nazis.
Barbara Schwarz
Pedro Freudenberg
> That is typically German Nazi strategy. They simply twist everything
> all the facts around, just as they did claiming that the American Jews
> are responsible for the Holocaust and not the German Nazis.
That's been a self description of Eva Braun a.k.a. Barbara Schwarz, right?
PSn
"BarbaraSchwarz" <BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I know that when I was with a group of picketers near a Scientology Org, the
Scientologist handlers resorted to nearly every technique except direct
physical assault to drive them away. The tactics I saw in use were
extremely similar to the tactics used on Civil Rights protestors of the
1950's-1960's.
I also know that Scientology has no explanation for many of the unexplained
deaths that have taken place around their organization.
> I am not afraid of Scientology at all. Not of any Scientologist there
> is.
Of course you're not. As long as you parrot their propaganda, you'll never
have to fear anything from them...unless you try to marry someone close to
L. Ron or decide that the Truman Show isn't what you like.
>And I even claim that the orgs are illegally infiltrated by
> non-Scientologists, people of your kind, PSn.
Do you even know "my kind"? Do you even know why I'm here? Where I come
from? What I do? What exactly do you think you know about me?
>You are afraid that
> Scientology sues you for money? If you would not lie and spread hate
> about Scientology, they could not do anything to you. A judge would
> simply rule that you committed no crime and that the orgs have to pay
> the bills. But you know you are lying and spreading falsehoods, that
> is why you are afraid.
No, check out RTC vs. Lerma sometime. Scientology lost the case, but it
still cost Mr. Lerma a ton of cash. You see, in court, well-trained lawyers
know tons of neat little tricks and games they can play that can easily cost
you a case, if you yourself do not have a lawyer. Lawyers cost money.
Money I don't have.
>
> You post like a student, a guy who still thinks like a stupid child
> and not like an adult. How old I am? Not as old as Barb Graham, but
> with a lot more life experience as you.
>
Yes, yes, it's an insult to call oneself a student. That's why your beloved
L. Ron referred to himself as a student of humanity. But again, your own
anonymous attitude comes forward. I should note that student can reference
any age group. Just so you know.
> You lived in Germany for several years? Where exactly? As you are so
> young, if you ever were over there, how little were you?
I lived in Frankfurt. And since you will not give me the courtesy of your
age, why should I extend the same courtesy to you?
>What does a
> kid as you know about the Nazis, except finding them chic and finding
> it cool to defend them? I don't know what nationality you have, but
> your own country has no reason to be proud of you.
Rom have no country, but I do live in America.
>Don't claim you are
> an American. You are a traitor.
Give a specific example where you have seen me give aid and comfort to the
enemy? I forgot, you're the Anti-Social Personality that Hubbard discussed.
Speaking in generalities and never giving specifics.
>Why did you not stay in still existing
> Nazi Germany? They like corrupt fools as you are, that is why they
> treated you well. (They probably gave you lollipops to make your teeth
> fall out, that is what you call good treatment?)
> How can an American "feel shudders" by Nazi critic, if not a secret
> Nazi himself?
I left Germany because I decided to live closer to my mother. I feel
shudders when I see that you declare anyone contrary to you as a Nazi
sympathizer. It's like the McCarthy era in your mind, except you see Nazis
around ever corner rather than Communists.
>
> That of all the people in the world it is you, who claims that
> accusations without no substance is libel and slander, is
> unbelieveable.
The evidence that Scientology has at the very least murdered Susan Meister
is out there. Look at the evidence and tell me she wasn't murdered without
lying.
>You are using libel and slander against me, Scientology
> and also other Scientologists. You should first proof that your
> accussations against me and Scientology are the truth, before you ask
> me for proof.
Is it untrue that you accuse the entire nation of Germany of being
lower-than-human ("Beast" as you put it)? Is it untrue that you are
leveling an accusation at an entire nation based on their ethnicity? Is it
untrue that Scientology has sued countless people for the simple reason that
they are critical of the organization, rather than the claims of "Copyright
Infringement"? Is it untrue the Scientology not only suppresses free
speech, but takes it further by financially and socially crippling those who
practice it against their company?
>
> You apparently have a problem duplicating. I wrote you before that you
> should read the former 79 installments in this series. The proof, that
> Germany has still a Nazi government is right in there.
>
> Note also, that I don't want to meet you nor any of your friends. If
> they are like you, they are like German GESTAPO anyway. What did the
> still existing German Nazi secret service offer you in exchange for
> defending their Nazi honor? Help with your car payments?
I find that unfunny, dear.
>
> The USA started and lost the Vietnam war, because the United States
> was already secretly German infiltrated. It's their product. It's also
> possible that we lost the war, because Barb Graham made the
> translations.
Why would we LOSE a war against the Nazi's sworn enemy (Communists) because
of Nazi infiltration? You seem to make much of the power of these so-called
Nazi's, but you claim we lost a war because of them (something that harkens
back to Hitler's claim that Germany lost WWI because of Jews).
>
> The world is infiltrated since a very long time, and just because the
> Germans lost WW II doesn't mean that they gave up their criminal
> infiltration positions in other governments or any of their sick
> ideas. (You still have not studied what was going on in Operation
> Paperclip and why that the Gehlen Nazy Spy Ring was never dismantled,
> don't you?)
Oh, I know a ton about Paperclip and MK-ULTRA and such. Of course, you'll
believe it's because of my Gestapo connections and some other bullshit
nonsense. You won't even consider it as part of my own personal studies or
anything in any shape or form related to 20th Century History classes I
take.
>What do you learn in your college anyway, except the false
> information, that the culture (do you mean the Germans?) turned
> around?
I learn that an organization that claims scientific basis for its processes
with no scientific proof, that supresses any negative speech, kills its own
members and destroys families for its own profit, whose motto is "Make
Money, Make More Money", and whose own texts instruct them on how to inject
themselves into organization and spread Scientology through "management
technology" has got to have something wrong.
If you'll notice, I don't toss around labels like "Nazi" or "Gestapo" in
that above statement. That up there is the sum of my whole platform in
dealing with Scientology. I don't have conspiracy theories with
Scientology. I don't have wacky underground beliefs about how the
Scientology is an extension of the Nazi party, or L. Ron was a Freemason, or
Miscavaige is a member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission or the Illuminati.
I don't play in those games, dear. I don't look for boogeymen around every
corner. I live my life and I stand against those who wish to do bad things.
Prove to me that Scientology is anything more than a crock shop with a good
legal department and that it doesn't suppress free speech and kill people
and you'll never hear a word from me again on this newsgroup. Hell, I'd
even give auditing a shot. But until then, I have to be where I am now. My
broke-ass car with loose oil gaskets, a broken windshield and a XENU.NET
bumpersticker in the back window.
> It's a lie. I heard it so often from Germans that Hitler was a good
> man and his ideas were wonderful, the Jews and the Scientologists are
> the bad people, and that they deserved what ever is done against them.
>
> I have to end this now. I have no time nor agenda to try to convince a
> retarded guy like you or the other hecklers from the truth.
>
If you have no time, then why do you write long, drawn out posts about the
Nazi conspiracy?
> You are trying to grow a small Hitler moustache yourself?
>
> Just a final word: You posted yourself that saying in Germany that
> Germans are still Nazis will get you arrested. From my former
> installments you know that the Germans did any rotten thing to me
> there is, also shorten my lifespan, the only thing they did not yet,
> is murdering me.
>
> You wrote, that I should go to Germany and say that they are still
> Nazis. (I did that, and that is why I had to flee.) By trying to lure
> me to Germany, you are trying to be an accomplish in my murder.
So you are admitting to a criminal background? Pretty big step for a
Scientologist.
>You
> are one "fine" person. I bet you were a German in your pastlife. You
> are everything else than an American in your attitude. The Germans
> steal real Americans and give them out as their own. How about we
> giving you back to the Germans (still existing Nazis) and get the true
> Americans back in exchange?
>
I love that. What exactly do you do for the US? I'd honestly like to know.
I'm joining the military soon myself, but I'd like to know what you do for
the US?
> Barbara Schwarz
You know you'd got the perfect con, when you can scam people into giving you
massive amounts of money in exchange for little substance and convince them
that anyone critical of it is the criminal (Or a Nazi).
PSn
BarbaraSchwarz
You have no right to disturb a religious community with your German
originated and controlled hate campaign near the orgs. You are lucky
that I am not more staff in the orgs, because I would have hosed you
with a river of water back in your own neighborhood. You were not even
in this body, not born, in the 1950s and 60s. What do you know about
that time, except, nothing? You are denying the civil rights of
Scientologists, by closing in on their religious communities.
>
> I also know that Scientology has no explanation for many of the unexplained
> deaths that have taken place around their organization.
You couldn't be more unspecific here, couldn't you? I wrote before
over and over that the Scientology orgs are infiltrated by people or
your kind, PNs. Criminal infiltrators and non-Sciedntologists. I run
in them myself, complete and very rotten wogs. They are capable of
anything, but they are no Scio's. They just lie and say they are to
not lose their position to infiltrate and destroy from the inside out.
>
> > I am not afraid of Scientology at all. Not of any Scientologist there
> > is.
>
> Of course you're not. As long as you parrot their propaganda, you'll never
> have to fear anything from them...unless you try to marry someone close to
> L. Ron or decide that the Truman Show isn't what you like.
I claim that Scientology is infiltrated. I claim that David Miscavige
took Scientology over with a forged affidavit of L. Ron Hubbard. I
claim that the man who died 1986 wasn't L. Ron Hubbard, that his
murder was covered up. That is not exactly what D. Miscavige, the
leader of SCN want me to say, isn't it?
> >And I even claim that the orgs are illegally infiltrated by
> > non-Scientologists, people of your kind, PSn.
>
> Do you even know "my kind"? Do you even know why I'm here? Where I come
> from? What I do? What exactly do you think you know about me?
Well, you are not very open with any information, aren't you? You try
to conceal even what your name is. What I do from you is that you are
apprently very young, very stupid, very German mindcontrolled. I know
you from your postings. It's all in there.
>
> >You are afraid that
> > Scientology sues you for money? If you would not lie and spread hate
> > about Scientology, they could not do anything to you. A judge would
> > simply rule that you committed no crime and that the orgs have to pay
> > the bills. But you know you are lying and spreading falsehoods, that
> > is why you are afraid.
>
> No, check out RTC vs. Lerma sometime. Scientology lost the case, but it
> still cost Mr. Lerma a ton of cash. You see, in court, well-trained lawyers
> know tons of neat little tricks and games they can play that can easily cost
> you a case, if you yourself do not have a lawyer. Lawyers cost money.
> Money I don't have.
I don't have the money either. I surely know that lawyers are using
dirty tricks, but if you don't lie about others, if you don't deny
others their religious freedom, if you don't commit other crimes, it
is really hard on them to pin you down with something. You also don't
need lawyers to defend yourself. You can defend yourself in court. Law
is not that difficult to understand.
>
> >
> > You post like a student, a guy who still thinks like a stupid child
> > and not like an adult. How old I am? Not as old as Barb Graham, but
> > with a lot more life experience as you.
> >
>
> Yes, yes, it's an insult to call oneself a student. That's why your beloved
> L. Ron referred to himself as a student of humanity. But again, your own
> anonymous attitude comes forward. I should note that student can reference
> any age group. Just so you know.
Ron did not belittle himself and called him a "student of humanity".
Scientology infiltrators made that statement up as so many, to make
him look smaller than he is.
I have nothing against students, but I have something against socalled
American students that kiss German Nazi behinds by working secretly
for them.
What do you study? Did you get false good grade through the help of
your case officer, who channelled you what to say and write through
exams and tests? What part in the American society do you plan to
occupy with your missing IQ?
>
> > You lived in Germany for several years? Where exactly? As you are so
> > young, if you ever were over there, how little were you?
>
> I lived in Frankfurt. And since you will not give me the courtesy of your
> age, why should I extend the same courtesy to you?
My age is posted in my former installments in this series. I don't
know my actual age. I was kidnapped from the USA and was given the
identity of another girl, remember? Have you ever heard that it is
unpolite to ask a lady for her age? I am not wrinkled yet, and I bet I
am a lot prettier than you with your acne sprinkled teenager face. I
also don't smoke my beauty away as Barb Graham. Is she ever was pretty
on the outside, she surely wasn't ever on the inside.
You lived in Frankfurt? In an American Army Unit where you just saw
the Germans a few times on the outside?
>
> >What does a
> > kid as you know about the Nazis, except finding them chic and finding
> > it cool to defend them? I don't know what nationality you have, but
> > your own country has no reason to be proud of you.
>
> Rom have no country, but I do live in America.
You claim to be a Roma? I gypsy? And you say you were welcome in
Germany? I can't believe it? Did you ever mention that you were a
gypsy or did you hide that from them? You are really traitor of your
own race, if you claim that Germany is not more Anti-gypsy in these
days.
>
> >Don't claim you are
> > an American. You are a traitor.
>
> Give a specific example where you have seen me give aid and comfort to the
> enemy? I forgot, you're the Anti-Social Personality that Hubbard discussed.
> Speaking in generalities and never giving specifics.
All your very own postings in this thread are examples how you comfort
the Germans, which are still very much the enemies of not only the
Jews and the Scio's, but also other Americans.
Suddenly you believe L. Ron Hubbard?
You are the one who is not specific and speaks in generalities.
You remind me to the American Taiban kid Walker Lind. When he got that
the USA would bust Taliban, Al Queda and Bin Laden, he surely also
must have felt shudders down his spine, just as you do, when I claim
that the current German government is still a Nazi government.
>
> >Why did you not stay in still existing
> > Nazi Germany? They like corrupt fools as you are, that is why they
> > treated you well. (They probably gave you lollipops to make your teeth
> > fall out, that is what you call good treatment?)
> > How can an American "feel shudders" by Nazi critic, if not a secret
> > Nazi himself?
>
> I left Germany because I decided to live closer to my mother. I feel
> shudders when I see that you declare anyone contrary to you as a Nazi
> sympathizer. It's like the McCarthy era in your mind, except you see Nazis
> around ever corner rather than Communists.
McCarthy was a German Nazi agent, put up by the Germans to make the
communists get the rap, and to conceal that the Germans are those that
infiltrate the government. He behaved like a bully on German secret
service orders to take the appetite of the Americans and congress to
go after the real infiltrators of the USA, the Germans.
I don't declare people which are no Nazi sympathizer as such. But you
are one, you wrote it yourself. You declare me to be a racist, just by
writing my story about the abuse I suffered in the hands of the
Germans.
>
> >
> > That of all the people in the world it is you, who claims that
> > accusations without no substance is libel and slander, is
> > unbelieveable.
>
> The evidence that Scientology has at the very least murdered Susan Meister
> is out there. Look at the evidence and tell me she wasn't murdered without
> lying.
I have not studied her case. But as I told, Scientology orgs are
gardens of good and evil. There are the Scientologists, which are
lawful and grant anybody else their rights and just want to live in
peace, and there are the criminal international infiltrators, sent in
by the German still existing Nazi secret service to destroy and
provoke, to create problems. It is not beyond that secret service to
also send murderers in the orgs.
>
> >You are using libel and slander against me, Scientology
> > and also other Scientologists. You should first proof that your
> > accussations against me and Scientology are the truth, before you ask
> > me for proof.
>
> Is it untrue that you accuse the entire nation of Germany of being
> lower-than-human ("Beast" as you put it)? Is it untrue that you are
> leveling an accusation at an entire nation based on their ethnicity? Is it
> untrue that Scientology has sued countless people for the simple reason that
> they are critical of the organization, rather than the claims of "Copyright
> Infringement"? Is it untrue the Scientology not only suppresses free
> speech, but takes it further by financially and socially crippling those who
> practice it against their company?
I posted before, that if I would be German, I would rather find my
Jewish roots than howling with the still existing Nazi beast. If you
read my postings, I was rather talking about the German government and
psychs while I was referring to still existing Nazis. I was not
speaking about everybody in the population. Many of those must be
re-incarnated Jews, people that were killed in the Concentration
Camps. Many of the Germans come out of Jewish roots, they probably
don't even know it, because their ancestors changed their religion and
rase out of fear before the Nazis.
It is true that the German government of our days, and many other
Germans still are Nazis. I know that because they came after me and
they revealed that either openly or covertly to me.
Don't blame me for what Scientology infiltrators do in the orgs. I
never wanted them there. However, as far as suing innocent people. If
they are so innocent as you are, they are not innocent.
I know the current finance policies are not from Ron.
As far as free speech is concerned. They are not posting that I should
shut up, and that despite that I claim that they are infiltrated and
therefore not only a garden of good but also one of evil.
I noticed that ARS, the Scientology attackers try to deny my right of
freedom of speech by campaigning against me.
> >
> > You apparently have a problem duplicating. I wrote you before that you
> > should read the former 79 installments in this series. The proof, that
> > Germany has still a Nazi government is right in there.
> >
> > Note also, that I don't want to meet you nor any of your friends. If
> > they are like you, they are like German GESTAPO anyway. What did the
> > still existing German Nazi secret service offer you in exchange for
> > defending their Nazi honor? Help with your car payments?
>
> I find that unfunny, dear.
Me too, it is very not funny to work secretly for the Germans. They
have access to your ear implants, and that is how they get you to work
for them.
>
> >
> > The USA started and lost the Vietnam war, because the United States
> > was already secretly German infiltrated. It's their product. It's also
> > possible that we lost the war, because Barb Graham made the
> > translations.
>
> Why would we LOSE a war against the Nazi's sworn enemy (Communists) because
> of Nazi infiltration? You seem to make much of the power of these so-called
> Nazi's, but you claim we lost a war because of them (something that harkens
> back to Hitler's claim that Germany lost WWI because of Jews).
The communists were no Nazi sworn enemies. That was just a spectacle.
Communism is a German invention. Remember, the Communist Manifesto was
written by Marx and Engels, two GERMANS!
The Germans walk any secret path there is to get back at the USA and
to secretly attack it, with any nation there is.
As long a people are so blind as you, PSn, the Germans will have a lot
of power, because people just don't see them where they are and what
atrocities they continue to commit.
Germany lost the war, because they have a way to make their own agents
feel bad, by gassing so many people and provoking the rest of the
world with their inhumanities.
But they still run those other nations, the many people know that they
are runned by them, others think they are not runned by them. But they
are too.
> >
> > The world is infiltrated since a very long time, and just because the
> > Germans lost WW II doesn't mean that they gave up their criminal
> > infiltration positions in other governments or any of their sick
> > ideas. (You still have not studied what was going on in Operation
> > Paperclip and why that the Gehlen Nazy Spy Ring was never dismantled,
> > don't you?)
>
> Oh, I know a ton about Paperclip and MK-ULTRA and such. Of course, you'll
> believe it's because of my Gestapo connections and some other bullshit
> nonsense. You won't even consider it as part of my own personal studies or
> anything in any shape or form related to 20th Century History classes I
> take.
But you don't seem to have understood what you allegedly studied.
>
> >What do you learn in your college anyway, except the false
> > information, that the culture (do you mean the Germans?) turned
> > around?
>
> I learn that an organization that claims scientific basis for its processes
> with no scientific proof, that supresses any negative speech, kills its own
> members and destroys families for its own profit, whose motto is "Make
> Money, Make More Money", and whose own texts instruct them on how to inject
> themselves into organization and spread Scientology through "management
> technology" has got to have something wrong.
I answered that already before. You blame secret German Nazi
infiltration of an American religion, Scientology, that was very good
and still could be very good. The scientific proof also existed, but
was stolen by the infiltrators.
>
> If you'll notice, I don't toss around labels like "Nazi" or "Gestapo" in
> that above statement. That up there is the sum of my whole platform in
> dealing with Scientology. I don't have conspiracy theories with
> Scientology. I don't have wacky underground beliefs about how the
> Scientology is an extension of the Nazi party, or L. Ron was a Freemason, or
> Miscavaige is a member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission or the Illuminati.
> I don't play in those games, dear. I don't look for boogeymen around every
> corner. I live my life and I stand against those who wish to do bad things.
> Prove to me that Scientology is anything more than a crock shop with a good
> legal department and that it doesn't suppress free speech and kill people
> and you'll never hear a word from me again on this newsgroup. Hell, I'd
> even give auditing a shot. But until then, I have to be where I am now. My
> broke-ass car with loose oil gaskets, a broken windshield and a XENU.NET
> bumpersticker in the back window.
You mix a lot up there. It's your non-developed IQ that make you not
see the infiltration of SCN. Scientology is no extension of the Nazi
party, but your mindcontroller system, the system that runs you though
ear implants is.
L. Ron Hubbard was no freemason. He was/is a Scientologist.
I don't have to prove anything to you, PSn. I just tell you to get
smarter on your own.
>
> > It's a lie. I heard it so often from Germans that Hitler was a good
> > man and his ideas were wonderful, the Jews and the Scientologists are
> > the bad people, and that they deserved what ever is done against them.
> >
> > I have to end this now. I have no time nor agenda to try to convince a
> > retarded guy like you or the other hecklers from the truth.
> >
>
> If you have no time, then why do you write long, drawn out posts about the
> Nazi conspiracy?
I wrote about my life, and some peoples lives were negatively
influenced by RB's and others Germans and the Germans governments
outrageous criminal activities. They have a right to know. You choose
to reply insulting, I replied, but I sure hope you get another hobby,
because I have other things to do.
>
> > You are trying to grow a small Hitler moustache yourself?
> >
> > Just a final word: You posted yourself that saying in Germany that
> > Germans are still Nazis will get you arrested. From my former
> > installments you know that the Germans did any rotten thing to me
> > there is, also shorten my lifespan, the only thing they did not yet,
> > is murdering me.
> >
> > You wrote, that I should go to Germany and say that they are still
> > Nazis. (I did that, and that is why I had to flee.) By trying to lure
> > me to Germany, you are trying to be an accomplish in my murder.
>
> So you are admitting to a criminal background? Pretty big step for a
> Scientologist.
You twisting everything around, just as the Nazis do. What is criminal
about my background? That I had to flee from Germany to save my life
because I am a Scientologist?
>
> >You
> > are one "fine" person. I bet you were a German in your pastlife. You
> > are everything else than an American in your attitude. The Germans
> > steal real Americans and give them out as their own. How about we
> > giving you back to the Germans (still existing Nazis) and get the true
> > Americans back in exchange?
> >
>
> I love that. What exactly do you do for the US? I'd honestly like to know.
> I'm joining the military soon myself, but I'd like to know what you do for
> the US?
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> You know you'd got the perfect con, when you can scam people into giving you
> massive amounts of money in exchange for little substance and convince them
> that anyone critical of it is the criminal (Or a Nazi).
>
> PSn
I have to go. Get an IQ, PNs. That you are missing.
Barbara Schwarz
Snidely F Whiplash
"BarbaraSchwarz" spewed...
| ...I have no time and also don't see
| the need to respond to each Nazi
| heckler that replies to my postings,
| so I just concentrate briefly on
| you, cowardly and anyonymous PSn...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You have no TIME !??? Shit, woman, you
apparently have nothing BUT time. By
your own admission you've posted 79
installments (huge ones at that).
And it's all unadulterated horsecrap!
Your posts are such an endless froth of
florid nonsense that response is hard to
resist. We heckle you because you're
one of the biggest, fattest, easiest
targets on the net.
"Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt."
Don't know who first said it but it
sure as hell applies to you.
Regards,
Snidely
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Snidely F Whiplash" <us...@doghouse.com> wrote in message
news:b89akp$d11$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> "BarbaraSchwarz" spewed...
>
> | ...I have no time and also don't see
> | the need to respond to each Nazi
> | heckler that replies to my postings,
> | so I just concentrate briefly on
> | you, cowardly and anyonymous PSn...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> You have no TIME !??? Shit, woman, you
> apparently have nothing BUT time. By
> your own admission you've posted 79
> installments (huge ones at that).
> And it's all unadulterated horsecrap!
Just like the claim to being "at cause over Matter Energy, Space and Time
(Hubbard gave it the idiot-box term 'MEST' as if to make it more
technical-sounding).
It would seem that, if BS has "no time" then she's obviously not "at cause
over MEST" at all. Or perhaps this "ability" just doesn't exist, does it
Babs?
> Your posts are such an endless froth of
> florid nonsense that response is hard to
> resist. We heckle you because you're
> one of the biggest, fattest, easiest
> targets on the net.
I don't know about her weight, but if Kirstie Alley's lack of being "at
cause" over the Matter of her expanding body that requires more Energy to
maintain, while taking up increasing amounts of Space (and Time to consume
all those sweets when $cientology's not looking), it might be a possibility
that Babs never gets up out of that chair at the "library" much. Except to
go home to her little hovel and sit in another chair, figuring out how to
use her OatTee Powerz to make all the critics disappear.
> "Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt."
Hell, the Minister of Information in Iraq showed us THAT, and did it with
supreme comedy. Babs, alas, isn't allowed to have a sense of humor.
--
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* Insert Xenu pamphlets into $cientology
* books in stores! It's fun and worthwhile!
> Don't know who first said it but it
> sure as hell applies to you.
>
> Regards,
> Snidely
PS - Shouldn't you have put a "NYA, AH, AH..." at the end just to be in
character? :)
PSn
its beliefs a bit goofy, but that's Scientology's stuff, let you guys deal
with it. If you believe it's full of infiltrators, then you should stand
with me in the call for those responsible to be punished, rather than
arguing over your conspiracy theories. You add no content to the fight by
labeling anyone who does not consent to your alternate reality as a Nazi. I
don't see Nazis around every corner, probably because I generally accept the
reality that most of humanity shares, rather than what you choose.
If you are against the infiltrators, join the fight against the criminals,
rather than the fight against those who fight against the criminals. Most
people "against Scientology" really aren't against the religion itself. I
myself couldn't give a wooden nickel about what Scientologists do inside
their org. The moment they try to do stuff relating to altering public
policy or other things, it begins to bother me. But if a group of people
believe in paying $360,000 to find out about the Space Opera of Xenu, that's
fine with me.
I'm here because Scientology decided to mess with Google. They decided that
Google shouldn't be an accurate search engine anymore and decided to
threaten it. I'd have never even HEARD of Scientology, if it hadn't been
for that. If you could go back and check the ARS archive, you'd notice I
made my first appearance as "PresiaSan" very shortly after the Google
debacle.
Do what you want, Barbara. See ya down the road.
PSn
BarbaraSchwarz
According to your attacks against me, your above posting is not the
truth.
I can't stand with you, because you bother also those Scientologists
that just want to live in peace and are not criminal at all.
You are also deaf to the argument that Scientology material was
re-written by the infiltrators. That is why some of it sounds "goofy",
also to me, but I know it wasn't L. Ron Hubbard who wrote it.
The Germans did not just infiltrate Scientology. They infiltrated also
governments, including the U.S. government. By not speaking that out,
nobody will ever investigate that, and this is also why I don't follow
you advise to bury my speech about infiltration and conspiracies,
because they really exist.
I don't label anybody who doesn't agree with me a Nazi, only those
that want to shut my free speech down, those that lie about me, to
cover the still existing Nazi infiltrations and conspiracies up. Not
seeing that is a case of servere blindness and ignorance.
What do you mean in Scientology is altering "public policy"? You
really should be specific by making such an allegation.
Scientology has to get their infiltrators out and to go back to L. Ron
Hubbard's original Scientology. He would have not cut off anybody's
freedom of speech. He would also considered trying to close a
newsgroup stupid, because as soon you close one, another one opens.
So, what good should it do? If Scientology get the infiltrators out
and goes back to it's basics, the attackers would run out of steam,
because there is nothing to attack.
However, the problem that you cited, denial of free speech is what I
have to battle in this newsgroup. There is Barb Graham, the cheap and
fanatical "chaplain" of ARS, who threatens me and who calls the
library in which I post to deny me access to the Internet. - There is
Pedro Freudenberg, who calls me Eva Braun, despite I posted against
the Nazis and wants me committed. There is Dave Shy and Norle, and
others, which are just like them.
They have no right to use critic on Scientology for trying to shut
them up, by being themselves not a shred better.
This is also evidence that Scientology is infiltrated by the same kind
of people that attack them. They are inside and outside of the orgs,
and one of their tools is to deny freedom of speech with their
criminal campaigns.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSchwarz
I run out of time yesterday, but I want to answer to your last
questions, PNs:
you posted you want to join the Army. I would not want to fight with
you in one in the same war, because you are so German friendly, that
if we would have to fight them, you would let them come away.
I also would not want to fight with you in the same war, because if
somebody whispers you that the American soldier in front of you is a
Scientologist, he might die in a "friendly fire".
What I do for the USA? I am working on convicting the secret German
Nazi infiltration of the U.S. government (and other governments),
their waste of tax payers money, their activities to endanger National
Security. I am working to get them out of science, so that people have
better lives and and a longer lifespan. I am working opening the eyes
of people how illnesses and death are being ordered through ear
implants. If you read my former postings, if you google my name, you
will read more details hereto. I am working at it to end the
hostilities against the USA, by pointing that they are German Nazi
secret service ordered and organized. So, if I succeed, you perhaps
don't ever have to fire a gun, and no wars will ever been necessary,
because those will be convicted that provoke the wars or start the
wars against peaceful people.
And once again: I had to flee Germany because I am a Scientologist,
and I had the guts to speak out that they still have a Nazi goverment
over there.
That is my "crime". They threatened to get me committed, just because
I dared to speak that out. This is the Germany that you defend. No
freedom of speech whatsoever. You appear to know that, otherwise you
would have not mention that saying the word "Nazi" in Germany gets you
in hot water. In other words: They are still the Nazis, but nobody is
allowed to say it, so that they are not discovered.
Barbara Schwarz
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"BarbaraSchwarz" <BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a6bc00a0.03042...@posting.google.com...
<snip>
> Scientology has to get their infiltrators out and to go back to L. Ron
> Hubbard's original Scientology.
Even if $cientology has been changed as you continually insist (though not
surprisingly without the slightest shred of proof, a very Hubbardian way of
pseudo-reasoning), sculpturing a turd into a statue of Hubbard wouldn't make
it much more than a turd, now would it?
--
Revd. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
- Review of "Dianetics", Scientific American, 1951
jane
has kirstie always been so large in the bust area? lol i know shes
always been a bigger woman but she seems to be getting bigger by the
second
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"jane" <kittie...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:819ee5a.03042...@posting.google.com...
If she keeps up the pseudo-medical quack stuff that $cientology hands out
like Hubbard's Manna, hopefully they'll be finding pieces of her all over
the CC.
--
Revd. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* You can write that down in your book in great big letters.
* The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.
* - L.Ron Hubbard, "Overts, Motivators and Deds", 1952
mephisto56
They're full of interesting details and cross-connections.
Martin A. Lee & Bruce Shlain: Acid Dreams - The Complete Social
History of LSD, the Sixties and Beyond.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802130623
Josef Dvorak: Satanismus. Geschichte und Gegenwart.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3453172582
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&selm=Gb5r9.63649%24oq6.15181%40sccrnsc01
is also very interesting.
It's a strange amalgam of trying to find ways of influencing and
controlling the minds of [groups of] people, dating back all the way
to the fifties and early sixties of the last century.
Keywords: MK-Ultra, Ewen Cameron, etc.
M.