New and trying to learn about my natal chart
Jen Gutmaker
a moment to learn something. I had my birth chart calculated, but I
don't really know what much of it 'means' beyond some generic
information. Would any of you (please) care to explain to a newbie? I
would greatly appreciate any information.
Are there any romantic partners that are better fits than others? I
know my Venus in Aquarius makes me a bit detached romantically (I seem
to find fault with many men right away) and that seems in conflict
with my Pisces sun.
Thank you in advance.
Sun Pisces 5.43 Ascendant Scorpio 18.34
Moon Capricorn 10.47 II Sagittarius 18.37
Mercury Aquarius 10.49 III Capricorn 23.07
Venus Aquarius 6.47 IV Aquarius 29.09
Mars Gemini 21.17 V Aries 1.15
Jupiter Aries 23.28 VI Aries 27.21
Saturn Cancer 26.55 R VII Taurus 18.34
Uranus Scorpio 7.02 R VIII Gemini 18.37
Neptune Sagittarius 13.52 IX Cancer 23.07
Pluto Libra 11.15 R Midheaven Leo 29.09
Lilith Aries 12.53 XI Libra 1.15
Asc node Scorpio 15.27 XII Libra 27.21
Sun in IV
Moon in II
Mercury in III
Venus in III
Mars in VIII
Jupiter in V
Saturn in IX
Uranus in XII
Neptune in Ascendant
Pluto in XI
Lilith in V
Asc node in XII
Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Trine Uranus 1.19 108
Sun Opposition Midheaven 6.34 -54
Moon Sextile Uranus 3.45 10
Moon Square Pluto 0.28 -65
Mercury Conjunction Venus 4.02 358
Mercury Square Uranus 3.46 -41
Mercury Sextile Neptune 3.03 47
Mercury Trine Pluto 0.27 85
Venus Square Uranus 0.16 -96
Venus Trine Pluto 4.28 35
Mars Sextile Jupiter 2.11 100
Mars Opposition Neptune 7.25 -28
Jupiter Square Saturn 3.27 -27
Jupiter Trine Midheaven 5.41 14
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2.37 21
778 -311 467
Signs masculine 6 Signs of fire 2
Signs feminine 4 Signs of earth 1
Signs cardinals 4 Signs of air 4
Signs fixed 3 Signs of water 3
Signs mutable 3
Chiron Aries 24.45
Ceres Gemini 5.53
Pallas Aries 10.25
Juno Virgo 13.46 R
Vesta Aries 21.07
Fortune Virgo 23.38
South node Taurus 15.27
JAGUTMAKER
>From: CFA par...@alt.not
>Date: 11/13/2003 8:32 PM Eastern
>Yeah. Ones that treat you right. Which you might actually
>resist. Or mistrust.
>
I'm drawn to air signs, but after spending close to 6 years with a Gemini, I
think I'm done with them.
>A bit? Venus makes a tight square to Uranus, which can be
>blind naked terror of commitment.
I'm certainly experiencing that now. :(
>That's Moon in Cap. The expectation of perfection...
Great.
>Moon in Cap, Scorpio rising don't help- probably the most
>skeptical signs.
So basically, I had better start naming some cats. ;)
Thanks for the help.
-Jen
JAGutmaker
Real Min
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Real Min <real...@astro.gvrv.vniuerse> wrote:
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> -adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min 14 November 2003
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F.O.A.D
Michael Rideout
> Hello. I've been lurking for a few days now and decided to delurk for
> a moment to learn something. I had my birth chart calculated, but I
> don't really know what much of it 'means' beyond some generic
> information. Would any of you (please) care to explain to a newbie? I
> would greatly appreciate any information.
>
> Are there any romantic partners that are better fits than others? I
> know my Venus in Aquarius makes me a bit detached romantically (I seem
> to find fault with many men right away) and that seems in conflict
> with my Pisces sun.
>
> Thank you in advance.
[...]
The most significant aspect configuration in your chart may be a "Fist of God"
between Venus, Uranus, and Mars. This is like a "Finger of God" or "Yod," but
it's composed of a square and two sesquisquares, rather than a sextile and two
quincunxes. The square between Venus and Uranus really accentuates the
problems that can come from Venus in Aquarius, namely a lot of friends and
lovers but difficulty finding stable long-term companionship. Mars in Gemini
at the far midpoint of Venus and Uranus adds to this; and with Uranus being in
Scorpio (traditionally ruled by Mars), I would venture to say that you don't
have much trouble finding "hot sex" whenever you want it, but your tendency to
get irritated can interfere with your relationships. You probably want an
exciting and passionate romance, but you may end up with people who make better
friends than lovers, either because you're attracted to people who love freedom
too much to let themselves be "tied down," or because you are too fond of your
own freedom to want to "give it up." Mars in Gemini may also contribute to
fickleness, so you may not be sure just what you want in a companion. Your
ideal companion might be someone who isn't afraid to let you go, and who you
aren't afraid to let go of, such that the two of you don't make "scary" demands
on each other, and allow each other enough room to be unique individuals with
separate lives, yet trust each other enough to know that the two of you will
eventually come back home to each other.
Another configuration in your chart is the Moon at the midpoint of Venus and
Neptune, with the Moon squaring Pluto, and Pluto squaring the midpoint of Venus
and Neptune. This contributes a strong element of "romantic idealism," or a
belief that your "perfect companion" or "soul mate" is out there somewhere, but
it's probably difficult for you to find anyone who measures up to your ideas of
what this "perfect companion" is like. Unfortunately, you may be rather vague
in your own mind about what this "perfect companion" is like, such that you
keep looking, but you aren't certain what you're looking for-- you just know
that you can recognize when someone *doesn't* fit this mysterious ideal. If
you're ever going to find your "dream lover," you may have to come to grips
with the fact that he's bound to have his share of "warts." As in a fairy
tale, the princess may find herself having to learn to love a frog, only to
discover that the frog is really a prince. In short, don't be too quick to
give up on someone just because he seems too far removed from your vague ideas
of what the "perfect prince" should be like.
With Pluto square the Moon and the midpoint of Venus and Neptune, you may find
yourself getting into difficulties over "control issues." Even though you
don't want to give up your own freedom, and you may be drawn to men who are
independent and freedom-loving, you may tend to want to dominate or control or
"remake" them. The trouble is, they will probably resent your attempts to
"refashion" them into your vision of what you think they *should* be like.
Likewise, they may feel that you would be a much more "ideal" lover for their
tastes if only you would be willing to change this or that about yourself.
Your best match would be someone with faults you can reasonably tolerate, with
the two of you willing to "meet halfway" without trying to give each other a
"makeover." You need to be able to agree to disagree. There will likely be
quite a few disagreements, by the way, because Mars sesquisquare Uranus can
give a quick temper-- although it may burn itself out just as quickly.
As far as signs are concerned, one idea is that the sign on the cusp of the 7th
House (or the Descendant) may be your ideal partner. You have Taurus on the
Descendant, and Taurus is sextile your Sun in Pisces and trine your Moon in
Capricorn, which suggests that a Taurean may be an ideal match for you. Your
initial reaction may be that Taurus is too "dull" or "predictable" for your
tastes, but you do need someone who is stable and steady, who can be trusted to
"be there" when you need him. The biggest problem with Taurus, from your
perspective, may be that Taurus can be possessive, and you might not like the
idea of someone who sees you as one of his "possessions." Therefore, he would
have to be a pretty "laid back" Taurean, someone who won't treat you like so
much "property," or be jealous of your bubbly friendliness. I'm not saying
that you should look for a man with the Sun in Taurus, because he might have
something else in Taurus, such as his Ascendant or Moon. Note that Taurus is
an Earth sign, which might not seem very exciting and romantic, but Taureans
can be very passionate and "earthy" lovers, and this ought to appeal to you.
Taurus is ruled by Venus, so Taureans can be very romantic when they aren't
counting their money! Taureans can also be very sexually attractive in a
"plain" or "chunky-hunky" sort of way, so don't be too quick to rule out a guy
just because you initially think he's too "lumpy" or "homely" for your tastes.
Michael Rideout
Jen Gutmaker
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[snip for brevity]
Thank you.
Jen Gutmaker
> The most significant aspect configuration in your chart may be a "Fist of God"
> between Venus, Uranus, and Mars. This is like a "Finger of God" or "Yod," but
> it's composed of a square and two sesquisquares, rather than a sextile and two
> quincunxes. The square between Venus and Uranus really accentuates the
> problems that can come from Venus in Aquarius, namely a lot of friends and
> lovers but difficulty finding stable long-term companionship. Mars in Gemini
> at the far midpoint of Venus and Uranus adds to this; and with Uranus being in
> Scorpio (traditionally ruled by Mars), I would venture to say that you don't
> have much trouble finding "hot sex" whenever you want it, but your tendency to
> get irritated can interfere with your relationships. You probably want an
> exciting and passionate romance, but you may end up with people who make better
> friends than lovers, either because you're attracted to people who love freedom
> too much to let themselves be "tied down," or because you are too fond of your
> own freedom to want to "give it up."
All true, although I think the romantic Piscean in me can't separate
sex from love, so I'm anything but promiscuous.
Mars in Gemini may also contribute to
> fickleness, so you may not be sure just what you want in a companion. Your
> ideal companion might be someone who isn't afraid to let you go, and who you
> aren't afraid to let go of, such that the two of you don't make "scary" demands
> on each other, and allow each other enough room to be unique individuals with
> separate lives, yet trust each other enough to know that the two of you will
> eventually come back home to each other.
>
Yes, that's true. My Gemini ex had a very definite idea of whom he
wanted me to be, and having tried to conform for a while in order to
save the relationship, I came to realize that I was much happier alone
than with someone who was trying to control me. He wasn't supportive
of my goals in life, couldn't figure out why I would devote so much of
my time to volunteer work and not 'enough' time pursuing a six-figure
salary. He just about flipped when I decided against law school in
favor of a graduate degree in education (to teach
history/civics/econ).
I do enjoy 'couple time' but I also value time to pursue my own
interests.
> Another configuration in your chart is the Moon at the midpoint of Venus and
> Neptune, with the Moon squaring Pluto, and Pluto squaring the midpoint of Venus
> and Neptune. This contributes a strong element of "romantic idealism," or a
> belief that your "perfect companion" or "soul mate" is out there somewhere, but
> it's probably difficult for you to find anyone who measures up to your ideas of
> what this "perfect companion" is like. Unfortunately, you may be rather vague
> in your own mind about what this "perfect companion" is like, such that you
> keep looking, but you aren't certain what you're looking for-- you just know
> that you can recognize when someone *doesn't* fit this mysterious ideal.
That has me laughing, because it is dead-on accurate. I think my
attitude is 'I'll know it when I see it' (or don't).
I don't know how anyone could possibly live up to what I want --
someone very intelligent/clever/witty (hence my attraction to air
signs) but someone earthy/secure (probably why so many of my close
friends are Taurans) and with a little sensitivity to them because I
can't deal with people who don't say what they mean (not the most
sensitive people, but I do like Scorpios for their honesty and
frankness). Integrity is important as is having some common sense.
I don't like people I find to be flaky, and a dull mind is the kiss of
death. I want security, but I don't want to be drowned.
> If
> you're ever going to find your "dream lover," you may have to come to grips
> with the fact that he's bound to have his share of "warts." As in a fairy
> tale, the princess may find herself having to learn to love a frog, only to
> discover that the frog is really a prince. In short, don't be too quick to
> give up on someone just because he seems too far removed from your vague ideas
> of what the "perfect prince" should be like.
That's how I ended up with the Gemini in the first place. He had a lot
of Tauran influences in his chart (and he was born on the cusp). On
the days when he was feeling like a Taurus we got along fine, but when
that Gemini came out...oh boy. I adored his intelligence and wit, but
he was all over the place (and expected me to stay put, twiddling my
thumbs waiting for him while he did what he wanted).
>
> With Pluto square the Moon and the midpoint of Venus and Neptune, you may find
> yourself getting into difficulties over "control issues." Even though you
> don't want to give up your own freedom, and you may be drawn to men who are
> independent and freedom-loving, you may tend to want to dominate or control or
> "remake" them. The trouble is, they will probably resent your attempts to
> "refashion" them into your vision of what you think they *should* be like.
> Likewise, they may feel that you would be a much more "ideal" lover for their
> tastes if only you would be willing to change this or that about yourself.
You just accurately described my 6-year relationship with the Gemini.
He was completely noncommital but incredibly charming and fun. He
admired my intelligence as well, but he was constantly regarding me as
if I was yet another accessory/trophy he needed to collect. I have
never met a more self-absorbed, status-obsessed person than that
Gemini and in the end, I couldn't deal with that. I tried to
understand him and bent over backwards to accommodate him, but in the
end I felt I had to let go in order to reclaim myself. I wasn't going
to tolerate being taken for granted.
The irony here is that I was with a very noncommital man, and for a
long time, I wanted that commitment and the security of a family life.
When he was finally ready to 'pop the question' a year ago, I decided
I was ready to leave. And since then, I've come to realize that I'm
terrified of commiting to the 'wrong' person so I break off with
people after a few dates (and in most cases, I don't even accept
second dates).
> Your best match would be someone with faults you can reasonably tolerate, with
> the two of you willing to "meet halfway" without trying to give each other a
> "makeover." You need to be able to agree to disagree. There will likely be
> quite a few disagreements, by the way, because Mars sesquisquare Uranus can
> give a quick temper-- although it may burn itself out just as quickly.
>
It takes a lot to tick me off, but when I do...fireworks. The good
thing, I suppose, is that I'm forgiving and don't hold grudges against
people. I blow off steam, cool down, and then get over it. I think the
Piscean in me makes me a bit careful about what I do say, even when
angered. I don't want to hurt anyone, even if they've hurt or offended
me.
> As far as signs are concerned, one idea is that the sign on the cusp of the 7th
> House (or the Descendant) may be your ideal partner. You have Taurus on the
> Descendant, and Taurus is sextile your Sun in Pisces and trine your Moon in
> Capricorn, which suggests that a Taurean may be an ideal match for you. Your
> initial reaction may be that Taurus is too "dull" or "predictable" for your
> tastes, but you do need someone who is stable and steady, who can be trusted to
> "be there" when you need him.
I have SO many Taurean friends. I actually love their stability and
genuineness. I think Taureans are wonderful people.
>The biggest problem with Taurus, from your perspective, may be that
Taurus can >be possessive, and you might not like the idea of someone
who sees you as one >of his "possessions." Therefore, he would have
to be a pretty "laid back" >Taurean, someone who won't treat you like
so much "property," or be jealous of >your bubbly friendliness.
See the above about the Gemini with all of the Taurus who thought I
was another accessory. Kind of funny if you think about it...as a
Gemini he was freedom-loving and didn't want to be tied down, but that
Taurean in him didn't want *me* to go anywhere or do anything without
his expressed approval. He was stubborn even for a Taurean.
A laid back Taurean sounds good to me. Does such a thing exist? LOL.
I generally like the Cancerian temperament in moderation. I like their
practicality and ability to be open/communicative.
>I'm not saying that you should look for a man with the Sun in Taurus,
because he might have
> something else in Taurus, such as his Ascendant or Moon. Note that Taurus is
> an Earth sign, which might not seem very exciting and romantic, but Taureans
> can be very passionate and "earthy" lovers, and this ought to appeal to you.
> Taurus is ruled by Venus, so Taureans can be very romantic when they aren't
> counting their money! Taureans can also be very sexually attractive in a
> "plain" or "chunky-hunky" sort of way, so don't be too quick to rule out a guy
> just because you initially think he's too "lumpy" or "homely" for your tastes.
>
Oh, that definitely describes the ex. I told myself not to be
superficial about looks. It took about three dates before I really
warmed up to him -- he was funny as hell and that made him attractive
even though he wasn't conventionally handsome. Unfortunately that wit
often turned to biting sarcasm, constant put-downs due to his own
insecurity, and on top of it, he had the emotional maturity of a
6-year-old. So, in the end, he became unattractive again. *shrug*
I'd venture to say that most of the men I've dated have been
conventionally handsome, but I'm not hung up on looks. I'm much more
intrigued by intelligence, practicality (must be my Capricorn coming
through), and an appreciation for art, literature, and culture.
Thank you so much for your time. I do appreciate it. It's amazing how
you nailed my personality within a matter of minutes. Rather freaky,
but very cool.
> Michael Rideout