Kronus (Saturn)
Astronomikon
>5/8/37 in MS at 7 a.m.
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Edmond Wollmann
IS the manifestation of the "All That Is" (God or whatever you wish to
term it) as polarity pairs and functions as the polarization of the
unbroken wholeness of "All That Is."(that's what the horoscopic template
REFLECTS). We chose to experience that idea by being born. So although
the unbroken wholeness (Neptune=spirit) is the "real" or primary reality
base and physicality an illusion (Saturn=physicality)-either is real
while you are in it, and valid, none-the-less.
Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice
in the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
reflection (Venus).
By the same token physicality is real while you are in it, but an
illusion none-the-less. As long as we ARE physical we ARE by definition
going to experience THIS reality in polarized terms. The entire template
of the Natural Zodiac is an EFFECT of that "splaying" of mind into
matter-like the refracted light of white light through a prism. This is
neither "good or bad"-it is simply one of the ways (in terms of worlds)
that we as co-creators along with "All That Is" creates in the
exploration of itself. For this reason the negative/positive definitions
WILL APPLY AS LONG AS YOU ARE PHYSICAL. When you die and re-merge with
the unbroken wholeness-of course they won't any longer.
Positive is simply integrative, unifying, expansive, inclusive-INTEGRAL.
Negative is separative, segregative, limited, conflicted functions in
PARTS.
And this energy can be felt as anxiety (negative) or excitement and
inspiration (positive) it is simply a matter of ATTITUDE.
When applied as anxiety to ANY PLANET OR HOUSE OR ASPECT or aspect of
life-that effect is extracted. Vice versa for positive-it is not a
"deficient attitude" to cognize and apply these functions in
physicality, it is an ASSET to recognize them while you are physical.
Heaven and hell are states of being, and you can be in a positive
(heaven) or negative (hell) one anywhere-anytime. It is approach that
determines this.
But to say one is NOT subject to them is to say one is not physical and
did not choose to be so. Which if you are living, breathing and writing
responses is not possible.
Responsibility is the ability to respond to the environment
(it's reality creation). To not respond to our physical reality with the
recognition that it is us, and that we have created it, is to exercise
the judgment of it and need to escape it (Neptunian).
To believe that the reflection of physicality is the SOURCE of reality
is to deny the validity of the unbroken wholeness of "All That Is,"
invalidate spiritual reality, and judge IT and seek to escape THAT
reality by denial of the source and is an illusion as well (Saturnine).
Saturn represents the illusion of the material world within a spiritual
manifestation, and Neptune reflects the illusion of spirit within the
material world. Where Saturn is found, the material world deceives, and
where Neptune is found spirit is sacrificed as an illusion,
unobtainable. They are both real, and both illusions. Whether you
extract a positive or negative effect from EITHER depends upon the
energy they are approached with-period. It has nothing to do with
duality (the illusion of unbroken wholeness manifesting as polarity
pairs-another "spiritual experience") or non-duality, and has to do with
the APPROACH to either of these spiritual experiences.
Time and space are illusions (Saturn), real while you experience them,
but illusions none the less. Realism and idealism are not diametrically
opposed, a realistic manifestation of the ideal is the issue. By giving
our power away to physicality we sacrifice a part of our spirit to the
material world (Saturn), this is where we over-strategize and
overindulge without regard for spirit. By giving our power away to the
ideal (Neptune) we lose sight of practical requirements necessary to
functioning in physical reality to manifest the "All That Is" IN THIS
WAY.
Both planets reflect the illusion of dis-empowerment, or empowerment,
which is not the effect of either planet or world but instead the
approach to either.
For to be balanced in our approach and view is to be positive in and of
itself.
"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." Albert Einstein
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. arctur...@earthlink.net (remove-)
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Edvins Augusts
Edmond Wollmann, a remorseless and confessed child killer, wrote:
>
> Saturn reflects the experience of the physical world.
That's a load of horseshit, and you know it, you lying fucking scumbag.
Spâmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> Saturn reflects
Light from the sun.
Bill Foley
Kahn Karhne
Edmond Wollmann <Arctu...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Saturn reflects the experience of the physical world.
Hi. I'm a newbie and interested in this. How did you determine that
Saturn reflects the physical world, as opposed to Uranus? Also, I
notice this is being posted in a nostradamus and mythology group.
What's the relationship to nostradamus or mythology? Thank you for
your time.
Kahn
Edmond Wollmann
Because Saturn's rings are symbolically the "end of the line" so to
speak, the limitations imposed by the material world. For most of our
history, this planet was the "end" of the solar system, until Uranus
(heavens) broke that limitation and started the accelaration age of
flight, space exploration, television....etc.
Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice in
the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
reflection (Venus).
--
Edmond Wollmann
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> Kahn Karhne wrote:
> >
> > The date and time were Wed, 15 May 2002 05:23:01 GMT, when suddenly
> > Edmond Wollmann <Arctu...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Saturn reflects the experience of the physical world.
> >
> > Hi. I'm a newbie and interested in this. How did you determine that
> > Saturn reflects the physical world, as opposed to Uranus? Also, I
> > notice this is being posted in a nostradamus and mythology group.
> > What's the relationship to nostradamus or mythology? Thank you for
> > your time.
> > Kahn
>
> Because Saturn's rings are symbolically the "end of the line" so to
> speak,
What horsecrap. Since they are circular, they are symbolic of unending
repetition, you fucking moron.
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <Arctu...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Because Saturn's rings are symbolically the "end of the line"
What a crock. If you don't know anything useful, why do you feel
you have to post anyway?
--
"...if the son of a bitch was in front of me he'd have some bones
crushed in his skull as well"
"Germany was trying to get rid of the Jews after they did the same crap to
them, trying to take over Germany, then England had to step in, when
Hitler started kicking their ass, then the US had to step in."
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convicted criminal, asshole, bully, Kook of the Year 1998,
the Ted Kennedy of astrologers, Village Idiot Award winner,
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Spâmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice in
> the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
> castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
> reflection (Venus).
Translation please.
Cujo
news:3CE5DE...@spamcop.net:
> Kahn Karhne wrote:
>>
>> The date and time were Wed, 15 May 2002 05:23:01 GMT, when suddenly
>> Edmond Wollmann <Arctu...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Saturn reflects the experience of the physical world.
>>
>> Hi. I'm a newbie and interested in this. How did you determine that
>> Saturn reflects the physical world, as opposed to Uranus? Also, I
>> notice this is being posted in a nostradamus and mythology group.
>> What's the relationship to nostradamus or mythology? Thank you for
>> your time.
>> Kahn
>
> Because Saturn's rings are symbolically the "end of the line" so to
> speak, the limitations imposed by the material world. For most of our
> history, this planet was the "end" of the solar system, until Uranus
> (heavens) broke that limitation and started the accelaration age of
> flight, space exploration, television....etc.
Edmo, this is more of your ridiculous assertions that have no proof
backing it up. Nobody is going to buy into it.
> Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice
> in the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
> castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
> reflection (Venus).
But you just claimed Uranus was unknown through most of our history. How
the fuck does Uranus exist in mythology when it was unknown until
relatively recently, you stupid, stupid kook?
--
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Richard Eney
Golly, you mean you don't believe that Greek mythology explains everything
in the Universe? Skepticism is the curse of modern life, as PT Barnum
said. Anhyway, when Night and Chaos mixed it up -- 'way back at the
Beginning of Happenings -- Their offspring were Uranus and Gaia. Those
happen to be the Greek words for "heaven" and "earth", but that's
probably a coincidence. Uranus and Gaia made love and the first of their
children were the ancient Titans, the first race of gods. Unfortunately,
that was luck -- their next children were the monstrous Cyclopes and the
hundred-armed Hekatoncheires. Uranus buried these in Tartarus, below the
Earth. Gaia, however, was fond of _all_ her children. (And a good thing
for us, too, if you'll forgive a philosophic aside.) To revenge the poor
monsters she had borne, she armed Kronos, the eldest Titan, with a sickle
of adamant. (Kronus was later called Saturn by the Romans, which is why
the slowest-moving of the classical planets is named for him.) Kronos, or
Saturn if you prefer, castrated Uranus and flung the severed organ into
the sea. But wait, there's more! Being immortals, the gods can't die,
though they can be wounded. The seed remaining in Uranus' generative
equipment fertilized the Sea, and from the foam of the sea was born
Aphrodite (Venus to the Romans). Thus the goddess of Love is in a sense
the "reflection" of Uranus, heaven. As those who have had the fortune to
come under her spell should know. Like her putative "father", too, she
can plunge people into Tartarus; but let's not go into that.
Now, that's not really a perversely complicated view of things, is it?
-- Dick Eney
Spâmster
Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <3CE66A5A...@email.com>, Spāmster <don...@email.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >
> >> Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice in
> >> the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
> >> castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
> >> reflection (Venus).
> >
> >Translation please.
>
> Golly, you mean you don't believe that Greek mythology explains everything
> in the Universe?
No.
digger
Besides, Jupiter has rings too, and it's not the end of the line.
Edmoid's astrology is just as false as his astronomy.
Thrimblekeen
>Because Saturn's rings are symbolically the "end of the line" so to
>speak, the limitations imposed by the material world. For most of our
>history, this planet was the "end" of the solar system, until Uranus
>(heavens) broke that limitation and started the accelaration age of
>flight, space exploration, television....etc.
>
>Fear, the effect of negative ego, strangles our recognition of choice in
>the creation of reality (Uranus). This is why in mythology Saturn
>castrates (renders impotent) Uranus. This power then rises up again in
>reflection (Venus).
I have laughed again and again at how many threads are dedicated to slamming
you, sir, but I must say that once I took the time to actually read one of your
posts, I can safely say that you are completely -- and unquestionably --
totally full of shit.