Beethoven Compleat
Astronomer
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Ludwig van Beethoven was born to Johann van & Maria Magdalena
Keverich (Leym)- Beethoven at their house,--now a museum--the
Beethoven-Haus, Bonngasse 20, D- 53111 Bonn, Koln, Nordrhein-
Westfalen, Deutschland (exact coordinates 007E06:03 50N44:13)
Sun's day December 16th anno Domini 1770, near h.I m.XXX post
meridiem horologii mathematici; he was baptised the following
day as recorded on Monday morning the 17th. Note that Neptune
transits the cusp less than five minutes prior to calculation.
The competition between Mercury and Jupiter tricked Zeus into
submission (the untamed Locrian modality of shrewd and crafty
Hermes often steals from the gods), and so thank goodness for
Poseidon's transit to wisdom's resuscitation on the octave of
Mercury with Saturn second house of the horoscope at 13:24:05
LAT (13:20:18 LMT, i.e. within five minutes before birth time).
In approaching superior conjunction, Mercury TAKES to rule in
the sixth house of the horoscope, with the Sun & Moon therein,
thus the Sagittarian falls to the house of Mercurial servants.
Venus superior rules nearest-by in the first house of evening,
i.e. seventh house of the horoscope, of marriage, tail of the
dragon therewith is for Pluton-souljourn by or before transit
on the local meridian, that is necessarily after 13:20:18 LMT
but before 13:31:04 LMT: the judicial window of rectification
since souljourns occur at, or within hours after, the time of
birth as in this case after Neptune's transit at 13:20:18 LMT
(which is 13:24:05 LAT or 12:51:54 UT). Remember, that Pluton
is the center of human hearing, who is on the resonant Ionian
octave of Aphrodite (Venus). Mercury's theft of the horoscope
from Mars forces the Pluton souljourn--under Aphrodite's rule.
Thus, the percussive meter of father time, Kronus, there with
earthquaking Poseidon in the second house of morning, that of
riches, Saturn & Neptune are together ruled by Venus inferior,
Lucificus who is our fiery passion for life, or living in sin.
On account of latitudinal ascendant (50N44:13) first house of
morning (i.e. of terrestrial zodiac), thus part of fortune is
therealoft in tenth house of the horoscope which is the house
of society, Ouranos is yet a quarter-hour below the ascendant
with the part of spirit--a very strong influence in the chart,
but not strong enough to dethrone Hermes from the sixth house.
Thus Mars at opposition to Mercury is in the twelfth house of
the horoscope, of indebtedness to Neptune, & Jupiter inferior,
and head of the dragon falls in the fifth house, that of sons.
Mars, Saturn, Uranus & Neptune are retrograde, the Sun, Venus,
Saturn & Neptune are closing benefic by radial velocity, with
Venus the nearest planet at 0.337 AU and closing the distance.
Cardinal Day: 09:24.42:37
Tropical Day: 09:24:43:08
Julian Day: 2367889.03931
LAT: 13:28:47 16-Dec-1770
LMT: 13:25:00 16-Dec-1770
UTC: 12:56:36 16-Dec-1770
TDT-UT: +16.0 sec
Sidereal Time: 19h 05m 45s
Metonic calendar: 29 Kislev 5531
Islamic calendar: yawm al-'ahad
27 Sha`ban 1184 (1948439.17=1AH)
Mayan Long count: 12.7.14.8.6
(baktun.katun.tun.uinal.kin)
Haab: 19 Yax
Tzolkin: 10 Cimi
Sun 16-Dec-1770 1:25 PM LMT +0:28:24 07E06:03 50N44:13
Body Caelestial Latitude r Hs RUL. Velocity
Antemidhea: 23Gem32'34" + 0:00'00" 1 | __________
Wasat : 23Gem44'05" - 0:12'18" 1 | deGem
Saturn : 24Can12'04" + 0:53'16" F 2 [-] -0.0355277
Merak : 24Can37'10" +45:06'27" 2 | beUMa
Mizar : 20Leo51'16" +56:21'54" 2 | zeUMa
/Neptune : 22Leo23'37" + 0:58'44" - 2 [-] -0.0002224
\6th Cusp : 23Leo39'55" + 0:00'00" 3 | __________
Vertex : 21Vir36'44" __________ d 3 [-] __________
Descendant: 14Lib10'56" __________ 4 | __________
True Node : 4Sco54'01" + 0:00'00" - 5 [F] -0.0432663
/9th Cusp : 25Sco55'22" + 0:00'00" 6 | __________
\Moon : 26Sco23'44" + 1:55'01" d 6 [-] +12.220225
Mercury : 1Sag00'32" - 1:12'59" F 6 [R] +1.5760049
Gal.Center: 2Sag03'12" - 5:34'40" 6 | SgrA*
Sun : 3Sag07'16" - 0:00'00" - 6 [-] +1.0188727
Eltanin : 3Sag09'41" +74:57'12" 6 | gaDra
Barnard's : 4Sag38'44" +27:29'19" 6 | V799 Oph
Sinistra : 4Sag57'24" +13:42'10" 6 | nuOph
Kaus Austr: 10Sag16'58" -11:00'53" 6 | epSgr
Jupiter : 11Sag38'29" + 0:03'47" R 6 [F] +0.2299043
/Midheaven : 23Sag32'34" __________ 7 | __________
*Pluto : 24Sag57'25" + 0:00'36" - 7 [-] +0.0319349
Venus : 5Cap10'16" - 0:32'25" - 7 [R] +0.1376402
Lilith : 12Cap03'31" + 4:47'44" - 7 [-] +0.1119266
V.Equinoct: 8Pis24'08" + 0:00'00" 9 | -0.0000385
East Point: 26Pis13'45" + 0:00'00" - 10 [e] __________
Fortune : 7Ari27'23" __________ - 10 [-] __________
Sheratan : 9Ari10'55" + 8:28'41" 10 | beAri
Hamal : 12Ari52'13" + 9:57'32" 10 | alAri
Ascendant : 14Ari10'56" __________ 10 | __________
Uranus : 20Ari32'09" - 0:23'11" - 10 [-] -0.0272934
Spirit : 20Ari54'28" __________ - 10 [-] __________
Aldebaran : 15Tau00'00" - 5:29'02" 11 | alTau
Mars : 0Gem54'39" + 2:56'03" - 12 [-] -0.3889445
Saiph : 1Gem36'51" -33:06'02" 12 | kaOri
Radial Distance/v
Earth: 00.0000000~
Pluto: 34.5712237-
Neptune: 29.9928352+
Uranus: 18.9085958-
Saturn: 08.4785687+
Jupiter: 06.1853794-
Mars: 00.5822229-
Sun: 00.9837156+
Venus: 00.3369469+
Mercury: 01.4472653-
Moon: 00.0026699-
Node: 00.0026336+
Lilith: 00.0027106~
Fundamental Aspects
1: Sun (Sag) Con (Sag) Mercury - orb: a2:06'
2: Moon (Sco) Con (Sco) 9th Cusp - orb: a0:28'
3: Sun (Sag) Opp [Gem] Mars - orb: s2:12'
4: Mercury (Sag) Opp [Gem] Mars - orb: s0:05'
5: Sun (Sag) Con (Sco) Moon - orb: a6:43'
6: Pluto (Sag) Con (Sag) Midheaven- orb: a1:24'
7: Moon (Sco) Con (Sag) Mercury - orb: a4:36'
8: Neptune [Leo] Tri (Sag) Pluto - orb: s2:33'
9: Uranus [Ari] Tri [Leo] Neptune - orb: s1:51'
10: Moon (Sco) Tri [Can] Saturn - orb: s2:11'
11: Venus (Cap) Sex [Sco] Node - orb: s0:16'
12: Moon (Sco) Opp [Gem] Mars - orb: a4:30'
13: Moon (Sco) Squ [Leo] Neptune - orb: s4:00'
14: Uranus [Ari] Tri (Sag) Pluto - orb: s4:25'
15: Neptune [Leo] Con (Leo) 6th Cusp - orb: s1:16'
16: Saturn [Can] Squ [Ari] Uranus - orb: a3:39'
17: Venus (Cap) Squ (Ari) Fortune - orb: s2:17'
Fiducial Aspects
18: Sun (Sag) Con (Sag) Eltanin - orb: a0:02'
19: Saturn [Can] Con (Can) Merak - orb: s0:25'
20: Mars [Gem] Con (Gem) Saiph - orb: s0:42'
21: Antemid (Gem) Con (Gem) Wasat - orb: a0:11'
-adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min 7 February 2002
POLARIS
Ludwig van Beethoven died about three-quarters of an hour
before sunset, yet Moon's day 26 March 1827, near 5:30:00
PM (GMT +1:05:26) on account of Polaris Souljourn ignitus
intense! on the zenith out of pluton pebblewhite oblivion
Sol completed as Piscean Moon ingresses to fourth of horo-
scope--sixth of zodiac, pluton perfectly invisible behind
Piscean Sun fifth of horoscope debilitates mercury Pisces
seventh of zodiac, Arian Mars sixth of horoscope eight of
zodiac, tail of the dragon Taurus seventh of horoscope of
zodiac nine, Kronus lifts the caelestial veil in angle to
midheaven Gemini eighth of horoscope tenth of zodiac, Leo
fortune aloft east point tenth of horoscope twelve of zod-
iac, ascendant Virgo Jupiter spirit eleventh of horoscope
first of zodiac, dragon's head Libra twelfth of horoscope
debilitates, second of zodiac; Neptune Sagittarius second
of horoscope which is fourth of zodiac, Uranus with Venus
yet Capricorn third of horoscope fifth of zodiac; Jupiter
is the only planet that is retrograde, Jupiter Uranus and
Neptune are closing benefic, Mercury 0.719 Venus 0.846 AU.
'adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min this September 4th 2001
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Astronomer
Astronomer <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote:
>
>
> 'adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min this September 4th 2001
>
>
The Collected Buffoonery of Daniel J. Min - Usenet's most failed prophet.
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Who is Danny Min?
What does he post?
Examples of failed prophecies
What you should do
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Who is Daniel J. Min?
Daniel J. Min is a denizen of Usenet newsgroups. He posts using various variations on his name, including using asterisks or underlines in place of letters. Often he will post as "Nomen Nescio" or Anonymous, and he used to post as GOD>.
The reason for this is to get around peoples "kill files" or "bozo filters"
However, he consistently posts through anonymous "remailers" in order to disguise his true identity
He posts to various newsgroups, including alt.astrology, alt.astronomy, and alt.prophecies.nostradamus. He posts in any inappropriate newsgroup he deems neccessary.
Additionally Danny has been known to directly email people, once again, using his anonymous remailer service.
What does he post?
Danny posts various garbage claims about astrological influences, and birthdata, which he generally makes up as he goes along. Outstanding amongst his posts include claims to know exactly the birthdata of Jesus Christ, Johannes Kepler, Ptolemy, and vario
us other historical characters.
He posts silly prophecies and claims, and even at times posts his own "kill file list" which has become so large that it's unlikely he even *sees* anyone else s posts anymore.
Some Classic examples of Danny's failed prophecies
(Danny's "prophetic" words are italicized)
Danny predicts the "Great Khan of Terror":
On 15 Nov 1999 22:34:03 -0600, GOD wrote in these newsgroups:
The king of terror will come some time around the month of May in 2000.
At this time, the inner planets will all be lined up on one side of the sun with the exception of the Earth which will be directly at the opposite side.
The increased gravitational effects of the sun combined with the added pull from the other planets will have a devastating effect on the earth.
At this time, all major fault lines will rupture. California will experience the big one at this time.
Volcanic activity will increase and it is very likely that the Long Valley Caulderra will explode cataclysmicly. These types of events will be occurring at roughly the same time throughout the entire planet.
To top it off, the suns corona will be nudged away from the earth...towards the grouped inner planets, effectively creating a massive coronal hole (I.E." the "three days of darkness").
When the pull of the alignment comes to pass, the corona will snap back to the earth facing side thereby releasing a CME of massive proportions....aimed directly at planet Earth.
Believe me, there will be terror at this time.
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Danny moves "The Great Kahn of Terror" by yet another 7 months:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:59:25 -0500, No User wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, bo...@vornet.com (BobO fficer) wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:37:04 -0500, to alt.astrology et al I wrote
>>>Enjoy 1999 seventh month. It is Ethanim 2000.
>>you said it was last September or October,
Yes, the seventh month 1999 in the revised Roman calendar was from sunset September 10th to sunset October 10th but the first month 1999 was in the spring of 1762 BC, sunset Saturday March 24th to sunset April 22nd proleptic Julian. The seventh month Eth
anim was therefore 2000, not of 1999 but FROM the first month in the YEAR 1999 of the passover. Hence, the YEAR 1999 seventh month AND seven months. See?
>>I let you take every day of the year 1999
>The LORD granted the centuries and you did not repent. He giveth and He taketh away. You Robert, speak blasphemy of the LORD.
>>and you were wrong.
>I am corrected by scripture--and Nostradamus was likewise.
>>there was no terror from the skies, no killer asteroid.
>And yet again must that universal ruler of infernal hades be raised up as it is written. Beware the star in fortune opposing, in the rule of night from heaven it advances to WINNOW, "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and
gather his wheat into the garner but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire" [Mat 3:12]
>>Daniel
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Daniel Expects half the world's population destroyed in October 2000
On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:00:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, "Douglas Deaton" wrote:
>>I am new here and somewhat ignorant.
>>Doug
That makes two of us, or 6 billion of us if I'm not entirely mistaken.
At October much will be made clear
by ways and means of the elements.
I expect half the population gone,
global equalisation of temperature
and pressure, the time, a new race,
His perpetual age the moment where,
or at the place when, smoke clears.
Enjoy the fireworks!
Daniel Joseph Min- >
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Daniel predicts the US presidential election for 2000
On 12 Nov 2000 23:44:00 -0000, Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
The 42nd President of the United States is the very
last of all the American Presidents to hold office.
He will announce our *National Emergency* shortly,
thus will continue in the office of the President,
having already been inaugurated in due diligence
when he was elected President. Gore is still VP.
&There is no reason to repeal the 22nd amendment,
given that Mr. President William Jefferson Clinton
has been elected twice only, and no more, thus the
amendment does not apply. Neither does a term limit
apply in his case, given that this is indeed a true
state of emergency with bloody violence seen to be
escalating in the State of Florida and elsewhere,
spreading like wildfire as it is in the mid east.
Get to higher ground if you can (look at England!)
Daniel Joseph Min
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So what should you do about him?
Well, first of all, you can be pretty sure based on his success rate that anything he has to say is wrong.
Someone once said, rather well, that "there is too much Min, and not enough Nostradamus" in what he posts.
Complaining won't do much, because he's they type of individual that doesn't feel the need to explain himself.
Asking him to stop only feeds him.
complaining to his anonymous remailer service results in nothing.
About the best thing to be said, is just be aware of what a buffoon he is.
Watcher
See why the Min signed up with pgp software, cause you try to forge
his news so much. Too bad you can't forge the pgp. I bet you
trolls hate that a lot. This astrology dude has got you pegged.
Sounds like you're trying awfully hard to make sure that nobody
listens to what he has to say. What is it that you're afraid people
will hear?
You should be more careful. Your troll record shows up all over
the place. Over 12-thousand times you posted as " spamster."
Who is pulling your strings?
--
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:spamster&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22+Collected+Buffoonery&hl=en
Cujo
news:QL6ASBLC3729...@frog.gilgamesh.org:
>
> See why the Min signed up with pgp software, cause you try to forge
> his news so much. Too bad you can't forge the pgp. I bet you
> trolls hate that a lot. This astrology dude has got you pegged.
Knockoff the sockpuppet, Min. You aren't fooling anyone.
> Sounds like you're trying awfully hard to make sure that nobody
> listens to what he has to say. What is it that you're afraid people
> will hear?
Yawn.
> You should be more careful. Your troll record shows up all over
> the place. Over 12-thousand times you posted as " spamster."
>
> Who is pulling your strings?
PKB, kook.
--
"How does it serve you to waste your life in fruitless efforts and
ad hominems, only to harass an asshole and delusional kook?"
Edmo admits his true nature while backpedaling furiously.
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych
http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/cujcert.jpg
Fanatic Legion # 555-PLNTY
Rank: Colonel
Motto: "ABUNDANCE!"
Title: Czar of Intelligence
Watcher
Careful, your troll record is showing.
Sounds like you're trying awfully hard to make sure that no one
listens to what this " astro guru " has to say. Looks like
you go after some guys like your life depends on it. Wonder why?
Wonder who pulls your strings? Wonder who's behind your " curtain? "
--
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.astrology&as_uauthors=cujo&hl=en
Cujo
news:XYHG00UK3729...@frog.gilgamesh.org:
>
> Careful, your troll record is showing.
>
> Sounds like you're trying awfully hard to make sure that no one
> listens to what this " astro guru " has to say.
He's just an annoying kook that's no worth bothering with.
> Looks like
> you go after some guys like your life depends on it. Wonder why?
I wonder why you seem to think so, troll.
> Wonder who pulls your strings? Wonder who's behind your " curtain? "
Wonder away, asshole.
Emperor 'Klimenti Voroshilov-1s' Norton III
>Careful, your troll record is showing.
EAT SHIT AND DIE, O Daniel Joseph Pinhead suckpoppet.
>Sounds like you're trying awfully hard to make sure that no one
>listens to what this " astro guru " has to say.
Nobody has to try very hard.
Damn, as an accidental byproduct of going ot giganews, I get to see
your bilge again!
Which is good, because I just like saying 'Daniel Joseph Pinhead'.
>Looks like you go after some guys like your life depends on it.
Dude - are you trying to fake California-speak or are you just a
fuckhead stoner?
>Wonder why?
They always picked you last for the baseball team, didn't they?
>Wonder who pulls your strings? Wonder who's behind your " curtain? "
Cool! Paranoia!
ash
['Don't forget the speed! I want to see you froth like an electrocute
monkey!']
--
"I feel like a fugitive from th' law of averages."
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radiationman
in any of Beethoven's music, you'll find some powerful things.
Since we know he was mostly deaf to high end frequencies, it's reasonable to
conclude he could still "feel" bass.
Bass vibrates the body more than high end frequencies.
He was one to build compacted chords in the bass, a practice other composers
generally try to stay away from. Compacted chords in the bass can create
dissonances and sometimes jarring overtones that sound mottled to people who
can hear higher end frequencies well, especially when there's just one note
in a chord that doesn't blend well with the other frequencies.
The only reason I'm even going off about this here (beside the fact that
someone else brought it up here and I'm up all night bored silly with a
cloudy sky and a dead internet) is because, as the string theorists have
said, the universe is built on frequencies. We remember Beethoven as a
composer of frequencies.
A butterfly gently flutters its wings in China causing...
How you doing, Dan?
"Astronomer" <astro...@olympvs.mons> wrote in message
news:OH7A7OS437294.9127199074@frog.gilgamesh.org...
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> Ludwig van Beethoven was born to Johann van & Maria Magdalena
> Keverich (Leym)- Beethoven at their house,--now a museum--the
> Beethoven-Haus, Bonngasse 20, D- 53111 Bonn, Koln, Nordrhein-
> Westfalen, Deutschland (exact coordinates 007E06:03 50N44:13)
> Sun's day December 16th anno Domini 1770, near h.I m.XXX post
> meridiem horologii mathematici; he was baptised the following
> day as recorded on Monday morning the 17th. Note that Neptune
> transits the cusp less than five minutes prior to calculation
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Astronomer
>Okay, well I don't know about all that stuff, but if you listen to the bass
>in any of Beethoven's music, you'll find some powerful things.
>
Exceedingly so! The power is in the broad spectrum,
with his outer planets trine & Ouranos (Uranus) in
ascendancy tenth house, Neptune with Saturn second
house, and Pluton at the center in the first house
of evening resonant with ruling Venus (on Pluton's
sidereal Ionian octave). Pluton-Hades is the tonic,
thus Beethoven had plenty to work with, his ensign
the white pebble at the geocenter of human hearing.
But that's just the deduction of astro-observation
in summary. There's so much more which can be said.
>
>Since we know he was mostly deaf to high end frequencies, it's reasonable to
>conclude he could still "feel" bass.
>Bass vibrates the body more than high end frequencies.
>
And yet beautiful trills are Venus & Pluto singing
like cherubim in the heavens, with thundering bass
Neptune's subsonic dominance below brother Jupiter
who yields to servitude under the Mercurian genius,
Apollon (who holds the whole in place) at his side.
>
>He was one to build compacted chords in the bass, a practice other composers
>generally try to stay away from. Compacted chords in the bass can create
>dissonances and sometimes jarring overtones that sound mottled to people who
>can hear higher end frequencies well, especially when there's just one note
>in a chord that doesn't blend well with the other frequencies.
>
That's interesting. This reminds me of the bassist
Noel Redding (of "Experience" fame) who transposed
his guitar licks -- and chords -- onto the bass as
few other bassists do. Out of "ignorance", Redding
brought added depth to the bottom-end of the music,
which is most prevalent in the early recordings as
their live BBC shows and record albums demonstrate,
a lot of "1-5-1" going on, that Redding later lost.
I would guess that playing with Jimi Hendrix would
have been like sparring with Bruce Lee. It was the
freshness of Redding's ignorance that made it work,
like a fool waving a sword is bloody unpredictable.
That's the stuff of raw power, the freshness of it,
unrestrained, unmoderated, un-leashed on the world.
It seems the human body forgives what the delicate
ear can not so easily forgive. It's not surprising
that the 3 B's are most popular among rock&rollers,
particularly Beethoven, but whether bass or treble
in his music be responsible for this, who can say?
There's something universal about universal music.
>
>The only reason I'm even going off about this here (beside the fact that
>someone else brought it up here and I'm up all night bored silly with a
>cloudy sky and a dead internet) is because, as the string theorists have
>said, the universe is built on frequencies. We remember Beethoven as a
>composer of frequencies.
>
If I didn't know better I'd think you're Brand New
to judicial astrology. That's meant as a compliment.
>
>A butterfly gently flutters its wings in China causing...
>
>How you doing, Dan?
>
I'm all aflutter!
Enjoy!
Daniel
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R. Spanjaard
news:D46IEE7T37297.7753240741@frog.gilgamesh.org...
> If I didn't know better I'd think you're Brand New
> to judicial astrology. That's meant as a compliment.
Ah! So you do know that you're talking about astrology! Then why do keep
crossposting to alt.astronomy?
--
Regards,
Robert
radiationman
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, "radiationman" <bun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Okay, well I don't know about all that stuff
> That's interesting. This reminds me of the bassist
> Noel Redding (of "Experience" fame) who transposed
> his guitar licks -- and chords -- onto the bass as
> few other bassists do. Out of "ignorance", Redding
> brought added depth to the bottom-end of the music,
> which is most prevalent in the early recordings as
> their live BBC shows and record albums demonstrate,
> a lot of "1-5-1" going on, that Redding later lost.
>
> I would guess that playing with Jimi Hendrix would
> have been like sparring with Bruce Lee. It was the
> freshness of Redding's ignorance that made it work,
> like a fool waving a sword is bloody unpredictable.
> That's the stuff of raw power, the freshness of it,
> unrestrained, unmoderated, un-leashed on the world.
>
> It seems the human body forgives what the delicate
> ear can not so easily forgive. It's not surprising
> that the 3 B's are most popular among rock&rollers,
> particularly Beethoven, but whether bass or treble
> in his music be responsible for this, who can say?
> There's something universal about universal music.
[snip]
> If I didn't know better I'd think you're Brand New
> to judicial astrology. That's meant as a compliment.
[snip]
Actually, yah, that's not my field. I wonder about it sometimes, gazing out
at the ring of the solar system around us, and I've seen tidbits of
intriguing data in the past, but a series of impact studies I did a few
years back led me to believe that forces immediately influencing the
behavior of things (for example the velocity of an object or group of
objects impacting a surface, the shape of the object(s), the density,
texture and angle of the surface they impact, etc.) dominate the impact
scenario and the outcome, while the position of the galaxies, the sun and
planets have little to no affect on the outcome. The same is true with
human behavior.
You're assigning tremendous amounts of value to influences very, very subtle
and practically negligible.
You were saying all this stuff about the alignments of the planets and
Beethoven's chords, but it's Greek to me as I'm not Greek, and it's probably
going to remain that way for the most part.
I'm pretty sure Beethoven didn't pay much attention to this stuff when he
wrote since his students were interrupting his concentration at writing when
the orchestra expected the new score on time, his rent was overdue and he
had to move his piano again this year, and in spite of the beautiful
courtship music he'd written for Alise, he hadn't been laid for a long, long
time.
Did these planetary alignments affect whether he chose one note over
another, one instrument instead of another, or whether he worked on this
piece or that piece? I doubt it. He was bull headed, stubborn and did what
he wanted. I don't think he cared much about the night sky or drew much
inspiration from it either, or he probably would have written more about it.
Listen to The Planets by Holst. This collection of scores seems more along
the lines of what you're talking about, and Holst might even have given some
thought to alignments while writing the scores. I don't think so though.
Each piece reflects some of the mythological characteristics of the planets
as individual entities.
But then you've probably already studied this. My attendence here is
spotty, inconsistent.
Seriously, if you want to convince me otherwise, or at least try, take me up
on that offer for a beer sometime. Until then we're just electrons
bombarding each other's brains at high speeds, fixed in our different
schools of thought.
Astronomer
>if you want to convince me otherwise
>
Sounds like you are doing a great job of this all by
yourself. I did not solicit your reply to me; rather,
it seems you're a bit equivocal about your own ideas
on astrology--doubtless because you have not studied
astronomy & astrology & mythology & the S scriptures
whilst I have. Thus, I leave you to your own devices.
Enjoy that icy cold beer "in heaven there is no beer
that is why we drink it here" foresooth! I'm too old
to drink--not like the old days, but then I am sober.
Daniel Joseph Min
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Alice K. Turner
"R. Spanjaard" <rev...@ln.tenkciuqTAdraajnaps.r> wrote in message
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And to alt. mythology. Can't you cut back the crossposting?
Alice
radiationman
I did say I've seen some intriguing astrological data in the past, which got
me asking questions about the influences of the planets and stars on things,
enough to try some experiments of my own and record still more data. Can
never have enough data.
The language you speak as an astrologer *is* foreign to me.
Yah, my offer to meet up and have a beer those months ago was abrasive and
belligerent. Sorry about that, man. I was drinking Jagermeister at the
time. Look out!
Though it may appear so sometimes, I'm not violent, just extreemly
argumentative. I'm a pacivist actually.
I'd be curious to see what you came up with for my bday, but I don't know
that I'd be able to make any sense out of it.
Cross posting astrology stuff to alt.astronomy is setting yourself up for
this kind of thing. We all know I'm not the only one giving you shit.
radiationman
Astronomer
>giving you shit.
>
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Qui aliter facit, is rite sacer esto.
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
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indigocoatl
<bun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Okay, well I don't know about all that stuff, but if you listen to the bass
>in any of Beethoven's music, you'll find some powerful things.
Hell, if you just listen to BEETHOVEN you'll find powerful things.
>Since we know he was mostly deaf to high end frequencies, it's reasonable to
>conclude he could still "feel" bass.
Not necessary. Any great musician can look at a score and hear the
whole thing in their head. Ludwig didn't need to "feel" the bass like
a person born deaf! He could hear the score without auditory input.
>Bass vibrates the body more than high end frequencies.
>
>He was one to build compacted chords in the bass, a practice other composers
>generally try to stay away from. Compacted chords in the bass can create
>dissonances and sometimes jarring overtones that sound mottled to people who
>can hear higher end frequencies well, especially when there's just one note
>in a chord that doesn't blend well with the other frequencies.
Ya know, I've been a professional classical musician for nearly 30
years. I've played all of Beethoven's symphonies several times over
the years.
While what you are saying about the overtones makes sense, in the REAL
world, it's not an issue... unless it simply contributes to
Beethoven's "sound".
BTW - I think you mean muddled - mottled is what the wings of most
moths are.
>The only reason I'm even going off about this here (beside the fact that
you're an idiot.
>someone else brought it up here and I'm up all night bored silly with a
>cloudy sky and a dead internet) is because, as the string theorists have
>said, the universe is built on frequencies. We remember Beethoven as a
>composer of frequencies.
Oh what a load of hooey.
Each and every creature that makes ANY music (including birds,
Basenjis, and Humpback whales) is a "composer of frequencies".
>A butterfly gently flutters its wings in China causing...
You to crap in your pants?
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Sean
traits than the sign they were and asked them if they saw themselves
in there.
I forget the % rate, but it was very high, no matter which one they
gave them, almost all thought it was theirs, or saw lots of
similarities.
So, just how much is wishful thinking and actual influences. Quite
possibly on of the oldest scams in history.
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:43:57 -0600, "radiationman"
<bun...@hotmail.com> scratched their head and muttered:
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd
have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but
for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
--Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate
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radiationman
"indigocoatl" <Indig...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> you're an idiot.
[RADIATIONMAN TAKES A BOW]
That's one point I *won't* argue.
> >A butterfly gently flutters its wings in China causing...
>
> You to crap in your pants?
>
Something like that.
Muddled...
yup
Bad day at the office?