the Matrix
Jonathan Jones
Go here to see.
http://www.geocities.com/eye_onus/MatrixRebellion/index.htm
Go now, read later, tell me what you think- or else.
-Jon
Or else what? Well, nothing, really- I'll just cry myself to sleep
knowing that no one cares.... Not really, but I willbe disappointed.
J. H. Frank
> Matrix is now Table-Top game in the World of Darkness.
>
> Go here to see.
> http://www.geocities.com/eye_onus/MatrixRebellion/index.htm
>
> Go now, read later, tell me what you think- or else.
A) Hasn't that been up for a while?
B) In my mind, it would be better served by using Exalted instead of Mage as
a baseline.
C) Other than that, it's pretty neat.
--
J. H. Frank
np: Still listening to Collide
"Manifesting organizational skills, 'cause organizational skills kills more
devils than bullets."
--Jeru the Damaja
Domon
<frankj...@BLOKpilot.msu.edu> ha scritto:
>A) Hasn't that been up for a while?
>
>B) In my mind, it would be better served by using Exalted instead of Mage as
>a baseline.
sorry to interlude: Domon, italian roleplayer, lurking for about a
month
i like exalted but i think the true power of matrix hackers is belief
thus i think mage is more appropiate, at least in mood...
you don't do a stunt because it's cool, but because you morph the
reality around you to make it happen. and when you do paradox (the
agents) come at you.
heck, i even played mage in such a way for some weeks :)
sorry for my english :)
--
Angst. Fear.
Rage. Tears.
Domon
Shane Graves
> "J. H. Frank"
> >A) Hasn't that been up for a while?
> >B) In my mind, it would be better served by using Exalted instead of Mage
as
> >a baseline.
> sorry to interlude: Domon, italian roleplayer, lurking for about a
> month
> i like exalted but i think the true power of matrix hackers is belief
> thus i think mage is more appropiate, at least in mood...
In mood, yes. Mechanic, no. The Mage mechanics are really best suited for
Mage. The Matrix is more kung fu-like in form. Exalted is rather kung fu.
The stunts and abilities of a Solar Exalted, when you strip away the anima
flare, replace a daiklave with a B. F'in' gun and turn the armor into a
trench coat, is the Matrix.
> you don't do a stunt because it's cool, but because you morph the
> reality around you to make it happen. and when you do paradox (the
> agents) come at you.
> heck, i even played mage in such a way for some weeks :)
True, you can play a Mage who does what they do in the Matrix. However, the
way Arete and Paradox work would have to be gutted and re-written from the
ground up to accomodate the Matrix. You should be able to do stunts with
one roll, not sit around for four turns trying to get enough successes to do
the hang in mid-air super-kick of death which is what you'd have to do with
the Mage. Cause Mage isn't meant for you to do flying kung fu. Exalted is.
Just my observations.
Domon
<lobst...@earthlink.net> ha scritto:
>In mood, yes. Mechanic, no. The Mage mechanics are really best suited for
>Mage. The Matrix is more kung fu-like in form. Exalted is rather kung fu.
>The stunts and abilities of a Solar Exalted, when you strip away the anima
>flare, replace a daiklave with a B. F'in' gun and turn the armor into a
>trench coat, is the Matrix.
then again, i would rather be using feng shui than exalted :)
>> you don't do a stunt because it's cool, but because you morph the
>> reality around you to make it happen. and when you do paradox (the
>> agents) come at you.
>
>> heck, i even played mage in such a way for some weeks :)
>
>True, you can play a Mage who does what they do in the Matrix. However, the
>way Arete and Paradox work would have to be gutted and re-written from the
>ground up to accomodate the Matrix. You should be able to do stunts with
>one roll, not sit around for four turns trying to get enough successes to do
>the hang in mid-air super-kick of death which is what you'd have to do with
>the Mage.
>
>Just my observations.
to tell the truth mine was more a mage/matrix crossover than a matrix
game. you see, things like by opening your eyes to the truth you can
do the things a mage do in mage, but instead of paradox, you get the
agents...
yeah, i was thinking more of this kind of things than a pure matrix
game...
>Cause Mage isn't meant for you to do flying kung fu. Exalted is.
well, exalted in not made to do it. it simply doesen't bother,
machanically, to make things harder when you do it... and tries to
compel player to do it with the stunt bonuses :)
Stayka deyAvemta
: Cause Mage isn't meant for you to do flying kung fu. Exalted is.
*g* Tell that to the Akashic Brotherhood ^_^ Especially their Do
stuff with the supporting Rotes is very much this wild flying
kung fu...
Clear Ether!
Stayka
Domon
<sta...@saint-seiya.de> ha scritto:
>*g* Tell that to the Akashic Brotherhood ^_^ Especially their Do
>stuff with the supporting Rotes is very much this wild flying
>kung fu...
i do see shane point, though: mage's kung fu, even Do, is not "fast &
furious" like exalted's or feng shui's (or honk kong action movie's)
Stephenls
> well, exalted in not made to do it. it simply doesen't bother,
> machanically, to make things harder when you do it... and tries to
> compel player to do it with the stunt bonuses :)
How is that "not made to do [flying kung-fu]"? Explain your logic.
--
Stephenls
Geek
Jonathan Jones
> Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > Matrix is now Table-Top game in the World of Darkness.
> >
> > Go here to see.
> > http://www.geocities.com/eye_onus/MatrixRebellion/index.htm
> >
> > Go now, read later, tell me what you think- or else.
>
> A) Hasn't that been up for a while?
>
> B) In my mind, it would be better served by using Exalted instead of Mage as
> a baseline.
>
> C) Other than that, it's pretty neat.
A- No, it hasn't been up for very long at all. there is an old (and
pretty crappy, IMO) version that has, and which the above is based on,
though.
B- I chose Mage because the characters of the Matrix most resemble
Akashic/VA mages to me- and are nothing like an Exalted, Aberrant,
Trinity, Vampire, D&D, etc. character that I persoanllay have ever
seen.
C- Thanks. I plan on making the Matrix thing a full fledged game,
instead of just an unofficial supplement to Mage, but I want to see if
people think it's worth it before I go through all that effort...
-Jon
Domon
scritto:
well, it may be that my logic is flawed.
but i think the stunt system is made to compel players to describe
their actions, being them kung-fu hypermoves, speech to the crowd or
even book research. the system is made to ignore the relevant
difficulties of combining action to make a cool move (like throwing a
carpet in the opponent face and then kicking). but i think this is a
consequence of permitting and encouraging to describe actions.
if you confront exalted "engine" with feng shui's or honk kong action
movie's you'll se what i mean: those "engines" ar built ONLY to make a
good cinematic combat. exalted goes beyond that, but is less focused.
it let you do it. it makes your action better if you do it. but maybe
it all those dice. it's simply too slow :)
again i apologize for my english :(
Domon
scritto:
>C- Thanks. I plan on making the Matrix thing a full fledged game,
>instead of just an unofficial supplement to Mage, but I want to see if
>people think it's worth it before I go through all that effort...
i think it's worth, but remember never to put phylosophy and belief
under the neat martial arts moves
Shane Graves
> "Stephenls"
> >> well, exalted in not made to do it. it simply doesen't bother,
> >> machanically, to make things harder when you do it... and tries to
> >> compel player to do it with the stunt bonuses :)
> >
> >How is that "not made to do [flying kung-fu]"? Explain your logic.
> well, it may be that my logic is flawed.
> but i think the stunt system is made to compel players to describe
> their actions, being them kung-fu hypermoves, speech to the crowd or
> even book research.
The stunt system is in place to keep people from saying "I roll Dex+Martial
Arts to attack the creature". It's made to put more emphasis on telling the
story of you kicking the creature's ass instead of JUST making the game
about dice rolling. To cooler you are at telling the tale, the better you
are at it.
You still need to have the ability in question (if you have no Martial Arts,
you can't possibly expect to do the flying kung-fu stuff). The stunt system
only adds flavor, and even at that, you can disregard it if you feel it
takes too much away.
Domon
<lobst...@earthlink.net> ha scritto:
>You still need to have the ability in question (if you have no Martial Arts,
>you can't possibly expect to do the flying kung-fu stuff). The stunt system
>only adds flavor, and even at that, you can disregard it if you feel it
>takes too much away.
well, i like it very much, and exalted is one of my favourite rpgs...
i just think i'd use mage to recreate matrix :)
btw, mage is not even clos to my favourite games. Uknown Armies beats
it every day of the week :)
Joel
"Shane Graves" <lobst...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5jH9a.5384$gF3.5...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Domon"
> > "J. H. Frank"
<snip>
> True, you can play a Mage who does what they do in the Matrix.
However, the
> way Arete and Paradox work would have to be gutted and re-written from
the
> ground up to accomodate the Matrix. You should be able to do stunts
with
> one roll, not sit around for four turns trying to get enough successes
to do
> the hang in mid-air super-kick of death which is what you'd have to do
with
> the Mage. Cause Mage isn't meant for you to do flying kung fu.
Exalted is.
>
> Just my observations.
Nah - Arete works just fine as-is; Neo would have a big honkin' Arete
rating, while whats-her-name would have a piddly one. You might want to
cut down the difficulties for Effects, though, since the metaphysic is
all wrong for coincidental/vulgarness. Personally, I'd drop all vulgar
w/ witnesses to vulgar w/o ('cause of the wonky metaphysics - the
Sleepers don't quite count the same way in the Matrix) and reduce the
difficulties for most Arete rolls by a couple - you're hooked up to a
mostrous Focus after all, and you are using the dominant Paradigm to
Work with. Instead of Paradox burns, large backlashes would call in the
Matrixly equivalent of Paradox Spirits - Agents, or some other
appropriate nastinesses, because your fiddling has alerted the system to
your location.
Add in Do, and you're good to go.
--
Joel Morton
National Board Certified Teacher
Shane Graves
> "Shane Graves"
> > Just my observations.
I guess. I would have done things a bit differently, just to avoid the
redundant Spheres and lower and higher levels of Spheres you couldn't really
use. It really seems to hinge more on a few Time effects, plus some Forces
and Correspondence. I just think it could have gone better with Exalted, is
all.
But hey...if it works, it works. You know?
> Add in Do, and you're good to go.
I will never go where there is Do. Oh ho no...no more Do. Woe to the world
that makes me use Do! If you do, you are my foe. Only men named Tso should
Do, but I will not be in tow. I bet you wish you could watch me glow, using
you precious Do. Even so, put your ego in stow, while I fix the pizza dough
with Joe. But the day I play an Akashic, I'm sure I will wander to and fro,
trying to not use Do, but shortly thereafter, see myself eating crow, as I
will simply throw myself into the eb and flow. The horror I feel could only
be recounted by the words of Edgar Allen Poe, or the painting styles of
Vincent Van Gogh, or in the eyes of a dying doe. All this pain I owe to
your mention of "Do" and "go".
So...is that all you wanted to know? I'm gonna go read some Sandra Tsing
Loh and hope in the morning, all is status quo.
============
Shane Graves
Author of the most painful 175 words on Usenet!
James Stein
<snips the 175 painful words>
*Groan*
Jonathan Jones
> "Shane Graves" <lobst...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5jH9a.5384$gF3.5...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > "Domon"
> > > "J. H. Frank"
>
> <snip>
>
> > True, you can play a Mage who does what they do in the Matrix.
> However, the
> > way Arete and Paradox work would have to be gutted and re-written from
> the
> > ground up to accomodate the Matrix.
They were. Hence why I said 'check it out' and /then/ said 'tell me
what you think'.
>> You should be able to do stunts
> with
> > one roll, not sit around for four turns trying to get enough successes
> to do
> > the hang in mid-air super-kick of death which is what you'd have to do
> with
> > the Mage. Cause Mage isn't meant for you to do flying kung fu.
If you'll remember correctly, the 'hang in mid-air super-kick of
death', by which I assume you are referring to Trinity's kicking the
cop in the condemmed hotel at the beginning of the Matrix, was epicted
in what is known as 'bullet time'. In other words, she didn't hang in
the air, she just kicked the dude. The filmmakers slowed time down
enough that it /looked like/ she was hanging, that is all.
Now, when Neo dodges the agents bullets on the rooftop, that requires
a lot of sux., purely because he's using a Time Effect to speed
himself up- I would guess to the equivalent speed of a vamp Celerity 5
or 6.
> Exalted is.
I don't know much about Exalted, but I know a lot about Mage and it's
mechanics. Plus, I love Mage, and the core book just /happens/ to use
the Matrix as an idea reference. You look at the Neb crew, they're all
something like Akashic/VA hybrids, with Mind as the primary sphere.
> >
> > Just my observations.
Thanks for your input- I'll check out Exalted one of these days, and
if I like it, I revamp the Matrix sup. to it's system. Don't hold your
breath though, I consider Exalted to be like D&D: an overly hyped up
game that everyone plays because everyone else plays it, which in
reality isn't really all that great. Good, yes, but not great.
>
> Nah - Arete works just fine as-is; Neo would have a big honkin' Arete
> rating, while whats-her-name would have a piddly one. You might want to
> cut down the difficulties for Effects, though, since the metaphysic is
> all wrong for coincidental/vulgarness. Personally, I'd drop all vulgar
> w/ witnesses to vulgar w/o ('cause of the wonky metaphysics - the
> Sleepers don't quite count the same way in the Matrix) and reduce the
> difficulties for most Arete rolls by a couple - you're hooked up to a
> mostrous Focus after all, and you are using the dominant Paradigm to
> Work with. Instead of Paradox burns, large backlashes would call in the
> Matrixly equivalent of Paradox Spirits - Agents, or some other
> appropriate nastinesses, because your fiddling has alerted the system to
> your location.
I decided not to mess with Arete diffs. much, but I removed all
benefits/flaws that deal w/ foci- Matrix don't have Mage-esque foci.
Coincidental, Vulgar, and Vulgar w/ Witnessess is treated the same, as
per Rev rules, but 'Dox backlash is handled completely differently-
about how you described it. Basically every point of 'lashed 'Dox is a
calling card you leave to the Machine saying 'I'm over here, look at
me!' Needless to say, you 'lash a bunch of points, you'll have about
fifty Agents and a couple of squiddies on your tail (in the Matrix and
the Real World) in next to no time flat.
>
> Add in Do, and you're good to go.
No Do, sorry. Do is the Akashics thing, and this is the Matrix.
Martial arts, sure, go for it, they're a bunch of WW books that
describe martial arts mechanics for WoD games, go ahead and use them.
There's also an Appendix in the Matrix supp. describing a very basic
set of maneuvers, use them too, that's what they are there for. But Do
is the Akashic's art/focus, and is exclusive to Akashics, plus there's
no foci in the Matrix.
-Jon, that guy that wrote the supplement.
James Kendall
"Joel" <joelwmor...@insightBB.com> wrote in message
news:rXlaa.8702$S_4.5715@rwcrnsc53...
> Nah - Arete works just fine as-is; Neo would have a big honkin' Arete
> rating, while whats-her-name would have a piddly one. You might want to
> cut down the difficulties for Effects, though, since the metaphysic is
> all wrong for coincidental/vulgarness. Personally, I'd drop all vulgar
> w/ witnesses to vulgar w/o ('cause of the wonky metaphysics - the
> Sleepers don't quite count the same way in the Matrix) and reduce the
> difficulties for most Arete rolls by a couple - you're hooked up to a
> mostrous Focus after all, and you are using the dominant Paradigm to
> Work with. Instead of Paradox burns, large backlashes would call in the
> Matrixly equivalent of Paradox Spirits - Agents, or some other
> appropriate nastinesses, because your fiddling has alerted the system to
> your location.
>
> Add in Do, and you're good to go.
I'd actually suggest that Neo is the only Awakened character in the movie.
Everyone else is just strolling along with some pretty high Sorcery Path
ratings waiting for the day when someone comes along who can do more then
just bend the rules of the Matrix. After all, doesn't all of Neo's power
come from the fact that he doesn't twist the rules like everyone else, but
rewrites them from the ground up? That sounds pretty Sorcerer/Mage
divisionline to me. Just a personal take on the whole issue. :)
Would have to come up with some new Sorcery Paths to properly portray the
rest of the rebellion, but hey.
-JamesK
Joel
> "Joel"
> > "Shane Graves"
<snip>
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. I giggled like a maniac. Thank you.
Joel
"Jonathan Jones" <eye_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> > Add in Do, and you're good to go.
>
> No Do, sorry. Do is the Akashics thing, and this is the Matrix.
> Martial arts, sure, go for it, they're a bunch of WW books that
> describe martial arts mechanics for WoD games, go ahead and use them.
> There's also an Appendix in the Matrix supp. describing a very basic
> set of maneuvers, use them too, that's what they are there for. But Do
> is the Akashic's art/focus, and is exclusive to Akashics, plus there's
> no foci in the Matrix.
>
> -Jon, that guy that wrote the supplement.
I wasn't thinking Do as a formal focus/art/whatever, but rather the
nifty stunts and all. Of course, I'm working on a vague memory so my
thoughts may not be applicable.
Jonathan Jones
> "Joel" <joelwmor...@insightBB.com> wrote in message
> news:rXlaa.8702$S_4.5715@rwcrnsc53...
>
>
> I'd actually suggest that Neo is the only Awakened character in the movie.
> Everyone else is just strolling along with some pretty high Sorcery Path
> ratings waiting for the day when someone comes along who can do more then
> just bend the rules of the Matrix. After all, doesn't all of Neo's power
> come from the fact that he doesn't twist the rules like everyone else, but
> rewrites them from the ground up? That sounds pretty Sorcerer/Mage
> divisionline to me. Just a personal take on the whole issue. :)
>
> Would have to come up with some new Sorcery Paths to properly portray the
> rest of the rebellion, but hey.
>
> -JamesK
Why do none of you read the thing before you comment on it? The above
paragraph would not have been posted if the poster had RTFM. Anyone
wanna comment on the thing? READ IT FIRST.
-Jon
J. H. Frank
> Thanks for your input- I'll check out Exalted one of these days, and
> if I like it, I revamp the Matrix sup. to it's system. Don't hold your
> breath though, I consider Exalted to be like D&D: an overly hyped up
> game that everyone plays because everyone else plays it, which in
> reality isn't really all that great. Good, yes, but not great.
Taking a leak all over a great game is not a good way to entreat others for
constructive criticism of your own game.
> Why do none of you read the thing before you comment on it? The above
> paragraph would not have been posted if the poster had RTFM. Anyone
> wanna comment on the thing? READ IT FIRST.
Welcome to Usenet. You've been here long enough to know better than to rail
against the inevitable.
--
J. H. Frank
np: nothing
Jonathan Jones
> Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > Thanks for your input- I'll check out Exalted one of these days, and
> > if I like it, I revamp the Matrix sup. to it's system. Don't hold your
> > breath though, I consider Exalted to be like D&D: an overly hyped up
> > game that everyone plays because everyone else plays it, which in
> > reality isn't really all that great. Good, yes, but not great.
>
> Taking a leak all over a great game is not a good way to entreat others for
> constructive criticism of your own game.
I know nothing about Exalted except what I hear, and what I hear is a
bunch of hype from Exalted players that sounds the same as the hype I
hear from D&D players. I play D&D occasionally. I consider it a good
game. Not great, but good. I think D&D gets too much hype for the
quality of game it is. That is what I am saying.
>
> > Why do none of you read the thing before you comment on it? The above
> > paragraph would not have been posted if the poster had RTFM. Anyone
> > wanna comment on the thing? READ IT FIRST.
>
> Welcome to Usenet. You've been here long enough to know better than to rail
> against the inevitable.
Actually, I've only been on Usenet for about a month and this is my
first encounter with the in-evitable. Thus the railing. My
expectations of the members were not met, obviously I had thought too
highly. Then again, I would prefer to think of people as intelligent,
civilised people with a basic common sense and be proven wrong, then
to think everyone's a stupid ill mannered pig and be proven right. I
think I'll keep with the hinking too highly thing, maybe if I believe
it long enough, other people will start to believe it, and then more,
until eventually the Consensus of Usenet believes it- and lo! It's
true!
-Jon
-Jon
Shane Graves
> "J. H. Frank"
> > Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > Thanks for your input- I'll check out Exalted one of these days, and
> > > if I like it, I revamp the Matrix sup. to it's system. Don't hold your
> > > breath though, I consider Exalted to be like D&D: an overly hyped up
> > > game that everyone plays because everyone else plays it, which in
> > > reality isn't really all that great. Good, yes, but not great.
> > Taking a leak all over a great game is not a good way to entreat others
for
> > constructive criticism of your own game.
> I know nothing about Exalted except what I hear, and what I hear is a
> bunch of hype from Exalted players that sounds the same as the hype I
> hear from D&D players. I play D&D occasionally. I consider it a good
> game. Not great, but good. I think D&D gets too much hype for the
> quality of game it is. That is what I am saying.
I know what you're saying. But still, you should check it out.
I dislike DnD. And at first I didn't give Exalted a chance at all and
judged it as being retarded.
Then I got the main book. There is a LOT to be excited about and inspired
by.
> > > Why do none of you read the thing before you comment on it? The above
> > > paragraph would not have been posted if the poster had RTFM. Anyone
> > > wanna comment on the thing? READ IT FIRST.
> > Welcome to Usenet. You've been here long enough to know better than to
rail
> > against the inevitable.
> Actually, I've only been on Usenet for about a month and this is my
> first encounter with the in-evitable. Thus the railing. My
> expectations of the members were not met, obviously I had thought too
> highly.
I'm sorry to say that high expectations and the internet really won't ever
meet in any pleasant way.
> Then again, I would prefer to think of people as intelligent,
> civilised people with a basic common sense and be proven wrong, then
> to think everyone's a stupid ill mannered pig and be proven right.
Unfortunately, this is Usenet. It's the beer chaser to the tequilla shot of
intelligence we get from the civilized world.
> I
> think I'll keep with the hinking too highly thing, maybe if I believe
> it long enough, other people will start to believe it, and then more,
> until eventually the Consensus of Usenet believes it- and lo! It's
> true!
Actually, I have to say AGWW is probably more civilized than a LOT of other
newsgroups out there. You have your work cut out for you, but I wish you
all the best.
James Kendall
????
My apologies, but I'm not quite sure just what I did wrong, here. I don't
believe anyone else suggested making Trinity/Morphios, et al into Sorcerers
instead of Mages, or did I miss something?
If it was something else, please let me know so I can avoid repeating my
mistake in the future.
-JamesK
Very confused.
cd skogsberg
>> > Welcome to Usenet. You've been here long enough to know better
>> > than to rail against the inevitable.
>> Actually, I've only been on Usenet for about a month and this is my
>> first encounter with the in-evitable. Thus the railing. My
>> expectations of the members were not met, obviously I had thought
>> too highly.
> I'm sorry to say that high expectations and the internet really
> won't ever meet in any pleasant way.
I claim this .sig quote in the name of Canada -- no, wait, in the name
of my quotefile.
>> Then again, I would prefer to think of people as intelligent,
>> civilised people with a basic common sense and be proven wrong,
>> then to think everyone's a stupid ill mannered pig and be proven
>> right.
> Unfortunately, this is Usenet. It's the beer chaser to the tequilla
> shot of intelligence we get from the civilized world.
And this one, too. Damn, Shane, you sure have a way with your mouth.
As it were.
/cd
--
Good .sig file quotes are like buses. You go ages without seeing any,
then a whole bunch show up at once. -- Lara Beaton
Shane Graves
> Shane Graves
> > "Jonathan Jones"
> >> "J. H. Frank"
> >> > Welcome to Usenet. You've been here long enough to know better
> >> > than to rail against the inevitable.
> >> Actually, I've only been on Usenet for about a month and this is my
> >> first encounter with the in-evitable. Thus the railing. My
> >> expectations of the members were not met, obviously I had thought
> >> too highly.
> > I'm sorry to say that high expectations and the internet really
> > won't ever meet in any pleasant way.
> I claim this .sig quote in the name of Canada -- no, wait, in the name
> of my quotefile.
Heh.
> >> Then again, I would prefer to think of people as intelligent,
> >> civilised people with a basic common sense and be proven wrong,
> >> then to think everyone's a stupid ill mannered pig and be proven
> >> right.
> > Unfortunately, this is Usenet. It's the beer chaser to the tequilla
> > shot of intelligence we get from the civilized world.
> And this one, too. Damn, Shane, you sure have a way with your mouth.
> As it were.
LOL...I abstain from making saying the first comment that entered my mind.
And actually, I'd use that one as my own sig file, however I dislike using
my own throughts for those. It seems pretentious. But you're more than
welcome to feel free to use them.
Stephenls
> And actually, I'd use that one as my own sig file, however I dislike using
> my own throughts for those. It seems pretentious.
The above needs to be your .sig.
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Stephenls
Geek
J. H. Frank
Richard Clayton already did something very, very similar to that.
Stephenls
> Richard Clayton already did something very, very similar to that.
I know that.
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Stephenls
Geek
J. H. Frank
> J. H. Frank wrote:
>
> > Richard Clayton already did something very, very similar to that.
>
> I know that.
I know you know that.
Jonathan Jones
> ????
>
> My apologies, but I'm not quite sure just what I did wrong, here. I don't
> believe anyone else suggested making Trinity/Morphios, et al into Sorcerers
> instead of Mages, or did I miss something?
>
> If it was something else, please let me know so I can avoid repeating my
> mistake in the future.
>
> -JamesK
> Very confused.
Sorry about the last post, I got pissed. But to answer your question,
I did just that. Every character from the Matrix except Neo, Tank, and
Dozer and Sorcerors. If you did miss anything, it was that I asked the
people here to look at the work I did before commenting on it.
BTW, the reason Tank and Dozer aren't sorcerors is becuase they are
operators- they never go into the Matrix, but they can code it as well
as Neo can, as long as they have a keyboard, a monitor, and a
connection to the Matrix.
Anyway, go check out my work so you'll understand what I'm talking
about. It's at http://www.geocities.com/eye_onus/MatrixRebellion/ .
-Jon
James Kendall
> Sorry about the last post, I got pissed. But to answer your question,
> I did just that. Every character from the Matrix except Neo, Tank, and
> Dozer and Sorcerors. If you did miss anything, it was that I asked the
> people here to look at the work I did before commenting on it.
Ah, somehow I missed the original post it seems. Must've browsed it
half-asleep and forgotten about it by the time the rest of the thread
started to evolve. My apologies. Reading through the website now. Some
pretty neat stuff in there, I have to admit. Much better thought out then
most Highlander pages I've seen. :) Muuuuuch better.
> BTW, the reason Tank and Dozer aren't sorcerers is because they are
> operators- they never go into the Matrix, but they can code it as well
> as Neo can, as long as they have a keyboard, a monitor, and a
> connection to the Matrix.
I'd quibble on that one, but only because I'm difficult. I'd say that they
counted as sorcerers in the Matrix, but in premade programs, they count as
Awakened. You'll note that they had to boot up a special Weapon Rack From
Hell program on it's own to suit them up, they couldn't just 'port the
weapons in right before they entered the building.
Just a quibble, though. :)
-JamesK
Jonathan Jones
> counted as sorcerers in the Matrix, but in premade programs, they count as
> Awakened. You'll note that they had to boot up a special Weapon Rack From
> Hell program on it's own to suit them up, they couldn't just 'port the
> weapons in right before they entered the building.
They can't possible count as anything in the Matrix- they got no
plugs- they can't get into the Matrix in the first place. So all they
have is pre-made proggies and 'real-time' hacking. Although certainly
difficult, it /is/ possible to do something like "'port the weapons in
right before they entered the building", it's just a helluva lot
easier- and safer- to use the load program instead.
>
> Just a quibble, though. :)
>
> -JamesK
I take quibbles seriously. That is why i offered my work for all of
agww to laugh at.
-Jon
James Kendall
they
> > counted as sorcerers in the Matrix, but in premade programs, they count
as
> > Awakened. You'll note that they had to boot up a special Weapon Rack
From
> > Hell program on it's own to suit them up, they couldn't just 'port the
> > weapons in right before they entered the building.
>
> They can't possible count as anything in the Matrix- they got no
> plugs- they can't get into the Matrix in the first place. So all they
> have is pre-made proggies and 'real-time' hacking. Although certainly
> difficult, it /is/ possible to do something like "'port the weapons in
> right before they entered the building", it's just a helluva lot
> easier- and safer- to use the load program instead.
In this case, I would view the load programs as sort of like Horizon Realms.
The "reality" of the Matrix is heavily guarded and monitored by the sentinel
programs. To be able to hack into the code from outside and change it as it
goes on anything resembling a large scale is just about impossible. But if
you make your own mini-Matrix, you can do -whatever- you want. And while
doing those heavy modifications to the ever streaming, complex and monitored
code of the 'real world' is nearon impossible, it's downright easy in your
own personal world, and then all you have to do is simply port the new
object/concept/whatever over and there you go!
My other thought on how to portray how I view it all working is to say that
Willworkers can only use the first level of any Sphere they might possess if
they're dealing with the Matrix from the outside. Anything else has to be
managed through sorcery, if at all. I could just be blanking, but I can't
remember any of the monitors doing anything more then calling out
information and updates while people were actually in the Matrix proper.
But I also recognize that enjoyable gameplay outweighs cannon any day of the
week. ;)
> I take quibbles seriously. That is why i offered my work for all of
> agww to laugh at.
Yeah, but I do annoying pointless quibbles. ;)
> -Jon
-JamesK
Malcolm Sheppard
> "Joel"
> > Add in Do, and you're good to go.
>
> I will never go where there is Do. Oh ho no...no more Do. Woe to the world
> that makes me use Do! If you do, you are my foe. Only men named Tso should
> Do, but I will not be in tow. I bet you wish you could watch me glow, using
> you precious Do. Even so, put your ego in stow, while I fix the pizza dough
> with Joe. But the day I play an Akashic, I'm sure I will wander to and fro,
> trying to not use Do, but shortly thereafter, see myself eating crow, as I
> will simply throw myself into the eb and flow. The horror I feel could only
> be recounted by the words of Edgar Allen Poe, or the painting styles of
> Vincent Van Gogh, or in the eyes of a dying doe. All this pain I owe to
> your mention of "Do" and "go".
>
> So...is that all you wanted to know? I'm gonna go read some Sandra Tsing
> Loh and hope in the morning, all is status quo.
>
> ============
> Shane Graves
> Author of the most painful 175 words on Usenet!
Best. Post. Evar.
Shane Graves
> "Shane Graves"
> > "Joel"
> Best. Post. Evar.
Heh. Dad always said "If you're going to be an ass, be an ass with style".
He never said "good" style.
Jonathan Jones
That's exactly how they are implemented- see the description of how
the Spirit sphere is affected in Chapter 4 (Or is it C3? I'll have to
check.)
>
> My other thought on how to portray how I view it all working is to say that
> Willworkers can only use the first level of any Sphere they might possess if
> they're dealing with the Matrix from the outside. Anything else has to be
> managed through sorcery, if at all. I could just be blanking, but I can't
> remember any of the monitors doing anything more then calling out
> information and updates while people were actually in the Matrix proper.
> But I also recognize that enjoyable gameplay outweighs cannon any day of the
> week. ;)
I decided based on the to do a compromise- allow Operators to use
above spheres above level 1 but with a threshhold of 2. That is, when
trying to affect the Matrix from without, the threshhold is two higher
than the exact same Effect when done from within- if using above level
1 spheres.
>
> > I take quibbles seriously. That is why i offered my work for all of
> > agww to laugh at.
>
> Yeah, but I do annoying pointless quibbles. ;)
I don't find them annoying at all, and in actuality, I love seeing
that most of the quibbles you have and your suggestion for dealing
with them are almost always the same as how I dealt with the same
thing. It shows me I did it right.
-Jon
James Kendall
> the Spirit sphere is affected in Chapter 4 (Or is it C3? I'll have to
> check.)
I think I misread some of the details. My net-reading skills aren't the
best, I'm afraid.
> I decided based on the to do a compromise- allow Operators to use
> above spheres above level 1 but with a threshold of 2. That is, when
> trying to affect the Matrix from without, the threshold is two higher
> than the exact same Effect when done from within- if using above level
> 1 spheres.
My other thought would be to reduce the effective Sphere level they possess
by two levels to a minimum of one, perhaps. To represent that there are
some things you just can't do to the Matrix from the outside. But I think
you're approach works just as well.
> I don't find them annoying at all, and in actuality, I love seeing
> that most of the quibbles you have and your suggestion for dealing
> with them are almost always the same as how I dealt with the same
> thing. It shows me I did it right.
And that I can't read at all. :) But hey, good stuff all around, so no
worries.
-JamesK
Lee Deity
> Stephenls wrote:
> > J. H. Frank wrote:
> >
> > > Richard Clayton already did something very, very similar to that.
> >
> > I know that.
>
> I know you know that.
But does he know that you know, that he knows what you know, that he knows
that?
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