Expert Skiers vs. Real Skiers(tm)
Klaus Biggers
Well... the current (dying) thread on experts has got me thinking
about the differences bewteen Real Skiers (tm) and Expert Skiers.
The following are my observations....
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Expert Skier: Drives to the local resort in the Beemer with the skis
on the rack upside down, tips back, ...
Real Skier: Hasn't dug his/her 1976 Ford F150 Pickup out since the
last time he got an impound warning for impeding snow removal, walks
to the lift, never shows his pass.
Expert Skier: Got a great deal on the latest in ski gear at Sniagrab.
Real Skier: Picked up a used set at a garage sale and found his bindings
in the dumpster outside his apartment.
Expert Skier: Goes out to a fine restaurant for dinner apres ski.
Real Skier: Is his waiter.
Expert Skier: His favorite run has a name like Jaws of Death, Outer Limits,
White Heat, or some such.
Real Skier: His favorite run has no name.
Expert Skier: Counts the number of days he skied last season.
Real Skier: Counts the number of days he missed all year.
Expert Skier: Wishes the ski season was longer.
Real Skier: Didn't realize skiing was restricted to a particular season, only
that sometimes the lifts run and sometimes they don't.
Expert Skier: Calls the avalanche report before hitting the resort.
Real Skier: Calls in his observations to the Avalanche Forcast Center
when he gets back from his tour.
Expert Skier: Tells everyone that they should ski his favorite resort.
Real Skier: Tells everyone that they should ski somewhere else.
Expert Skier: Thinks the new lift is great.
Real Skier: Spent all last night loosening the bolts on pole 12 of the
new lift.
Expert Skier: Feels confident adjusting his binding.
Real Skier: Feels comfortable mounting his bindings.
Expert Skier: Thinks the female lift attendant is cute.
Real Skier: Blushes when she tells him how much she enjoyed last night.
Expert Skier: Subscribes to Powder Magazine to find out the hot places to ski.
Real Skier: Skims through the ski rags while he's at the sev' buying beer to
see how many of his favorite places they've ruined.
Expert Skier: Thinks Vail is the resort of all resorts.
Real Skier: Tells everyone that Vail is the resort of all resorts.
Expert Skier: Buys all his buddies beers at the lodge.
Real Skier: Gets all his beer free cuz he lives with the guy tending bar.
Expert Skier: Gets real pissed off when someone skis over the tops of his skis.
Real Skier: Paints his skis flat black so no one will steal them, worries
about the bottoms of his skis... not the tops.
Expert Skier: Calls the resort snow report before heading up.
Real Skier: Carries a hand held scanner so he knows when the patrol is going
to open the bowls.
Expert Skier: Thinks off-piste is when you step into the trees to
relieve yourself. (Thanx Dave!)
Real Skier: Skis home to pee.
Expert Skier: Thinks the backcountry is a bar.
Real Skier: Chuckles when some touron asks him where he can find the
Backcountry.
Expert Skier: Thinks climbing skins are made of brightly colored Lycra(tm).
Real Skier: Knows how to reglue them.
Expert Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
Real Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
Expert Skier: Has a fancy ski rack on his car.
Real Skier: Has a fancy ski rack by the front door.
Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
for Christmas in Vermont.
Expert Skier: Knows all about snow making....
Real Skier: Worked on the snowmaking crew for three years.
Expert Skier: Calls a 1-900 number to get the latest weather report.
Real Skier: Steps outside and looks up...
Expert Skier: Has a Grateful Dead sticker on his BMW.
Real Skier: Lives with four dead-heads in a one bedroom apartment.
Expert Skier: Has a gagloop of ski passes hanging all over his jacket from
places like Breckenridge and Vail and Aspen and .....
Real Skier: Forgot his season pass at home... but it doesn't really matter.
Expert skier: Narrowly avoided injury in his last fall cuz his skis came off.
Real skier: Narrowly avoided injury in his last fall cuz his skis stayed on.
Expert Skier: Wears GoreTex(tm).
Real Skier: Wears duct tape.
Expert Skier: Thinks high speed quads are a type of ski lift.
Real Skier: Thinks high speed quads are the leg muscles of the guy breaking
trail. (Again.. Thanx Dave)
Expert Skier: Gets all excited cuz it snowed 12 inches, gets up early so
he can beat the crowds.
Real Skier: Sleeps in til noon since it only snowed a foot overnight.
Expert Skier: Goes on ski vacation, flies out, rents a fancy Ford Explorer
that he parks outside the three bedroom condo he rents.
Real Skier: Comes home from skiing to find some dumbshit tourist has parked
a Ford Explorer with a Budget Rent-a-Car sticker in his spot again, pulls the
valve stem cores from three tires, and tapes them to the windshield with a
nasty note.
DISCLAIMER: Any similarity to persons living or dead, real or ficticious,
was purposefully intended, and the author assumes no responsibility for
the clue-challenged that would take offense to said similarity.... And if
that was your Ford Explorer... it wasn't me.
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-klaus kl...@ced.utah.edu
I'm not vegetarian because I like animals. I'm vegetarian because I
hate plants.
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My opinion of why you didn't quite make a 6.0. But really good!
In article <CBo8E...@ced.utah.edu> kl...@ced.utah.edu writes:
>Expert Skier: Thinks the female lift attendant is cute.
>Real Skier: Blushes when she tells him how much she enjoyed last night.
Naw. The real skier doesn't care. (not original, I got this out of a rag
one day while waiting). The real skier long ago weighed sex vs. a run
in fresh waist deep powder. He chose the powder. (Ditto male attendents
and female real skiers [does this hold for women? ....(thinking)... yes it
does (know women who would agree).
>Expert Skier: Buys all his buddies beers at the lodge.
>Real Skier: Gets all his beer free cuz he lives with the guy tending bar.
The real skier doesn't need or have time for alcohol. He might buy a buddy
beer after being pulled out of an avalanche or saved from a net post, but
he (she) cannot afford to take the edge of his (her) skiiing. Another reason
why they like Mormons so much.
Reference: see the training of the young samuari in The Seven Samuari.
Oh yes, this is the old "skiing under the influence" thread.
>Expert Skier: Thinks climbing skins are made of brightly colored Lycra(tm).
>Real Skier: Knows how to reglue them.
Regluing is pretty easy. I can't think pf a good one for this.
>Expert Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>Real Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
??
>Expert Skier: Has a fancy ski rack on his car.
>Real Skier: Has a fancy ski rack by the front door.
Rack? What rack?
>Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
>
>Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
>for Christmas in Vermont.
Vermont?
>Expert Skier: Calls a 1-900 number to get the latest weather report.
>Real Skier: Steps outside and looks up...
If you thought about it, this goes along with the rack question.
>Expert Skier: Thinks high speed quads are a type of ski lift.
>
>Real Skier: Thinks high speed quads are the leg muscles of the guy breaking
>trail. (Again.. Thanx Dave)
Extra credit points. Extra hard laugh.
>Expert Skier: Goes on ski vacation, flies out, rents a fancy Ford Explorer
>that he parks outside the three bedroom condo he rents.
>
>Real Skier: Comes home from skiing to find some dumbshit tourist has parked
>a Ford Explorer with a Budget Rent-a-Car sticker in his spot again, pulls the
>valve stem cores from three tires, and tapes them to the windshield with a
>nasty note.
Extra points. Extra hard laugh. My Directorate Chief would tell a funny
story based on something like this. He'd be the RS.
>DISCLAIMER: Any similarity to persons living or dead, real or ficticious,
>was purposefully intended, and the author assumes no responsibility for
>the clue-challenged that would take offense to said similarity.... And if
>that was your Ford Explorer... it wasn't me.
Ditto.
>I'm not vegetarian because I like animals. I'm vegetarian because I
>hate plants.
I'm omnivorous. I like plants. I eat the things which eat the plants I like.
Slurp!
Keep it up.
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>
>Expert Skier: Drives to the local resort in the Beemer with the skis
>on the rack upside down, tips back, ...
>
>Real Skier: Hasn't dug his/her 1976 Ford F150 Pickup out since the
>last time he got an impound warning for impeding snow removal, walks
>to the lift, never shows his pass.
I'd say
"Drives some ancient 4wd that will have no problems making it to
wherever the last blizzard hit hardest, even when the road is still
covered from the blizzard. The same 4wd has American V8 power (even if
the 4wd is a 1970 landcruiser) because this is the only way to shuttle
12,000 foot mountain passes at 50-60MPH (this allows for 30,000 feet of
vert in an easy day)."
"Walks to lift?"
You have a problem there. The best skiing *HAS* no lifts. If a
Real Skier(tm) doesn't want to hike, he/she shuttles a pass instead.
He/she is only seen at a lift when he/she stumbles across a free
lift ticket or he/she became a Real Skier in a season He/She had
a seasons pass.
>Expert Skier: Got a great deal on the latest in ski gear at Sniagrab.
>
>Real Skier: Picked up a used set at a garage sale and found his bindings
>in the dumpster outside his apartment.
Real Skiers appreciate good equipment too, and sometimes get their
equipment from racers who have discovered something slightly faster..
>
>
>Expert Skier: Goes out to a fine restaurant for dinner apres ski.
>
>Real Skier: Is his waiter.
>
And eats out of a brown bag, unless he/she is environmentally
concious and has a recyclable, blue, nylon lunch bag.
>Expert Skier: Gets real pissed off when someone skis over the tops of his skis.
>
>Real Skier: Paints his skis flat black so no one will steal them, worries
>about the bottoms of his skis... not the tops.
Duct Tape can also work for topskins, it's a lot less work than flat black
paint, cheaper, and it's easier to keep of the edges.
>Expert Skier: Calls the resort snow report before heading up.
>
>Real Skier: Carries a hand held scanner so he knows when the patrol is going
>to open the bowls.
Real skiers ski in the backcountry, where there are no patrols
and the bowls are always open (weather you'd want to ski them
or not is another matter).
If they happen to be inbounds at a ski area, it's because they
are patrol, or a patrol friend has given them a comp. pass, in
which case they know when the bowls open.
>Expert Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>
>Real Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
Thinks snowboards are pretty damm fun.
Real skiers realize that alpine skis aren't the ideal vehicle for
all conditions, and will be seen on teles, snowboards, 210 alpine
boards, snow shoes, or whatever the situation merits.
>Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
>
>Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
>for Christmas in Vermont.
Ensures that his/her edges are always sharp enough to shave his/her
thumbnail, even if this means using the edge tool, wetstone, and
gummi stone daily, touching up with stones after he/she hits a rock.
The Real Skier would never visit his parents during Christmas if
they lived in Vermont, since a big dump could come and he/she could
miss virgin botomless champaign powder.
The Northern-Hemisphere Bound Real Skier may visit his parents in the
middle of summer, although July would be too early, since there have been
July storms that left a foot of fresh powder on high peaks.
>Expert Skier: Knows all about snow making....
>
>Real Skier: Worked on the snowmaking crew for three years.
Real Skiers would never work at a resort where snow making was
necessary to insure coverage.
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Klaus B. Biggers
>In article <CBo8E...@ced.utah.edu> kl...@ced.utah.edu writes:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Expert Skier: Drives to the local resort in the Beemer with the skis
>>on the rack upside down, tips back, ...
>>
>>Real Skier: Hasn't dug his/her 1976 Ford F150 Pickup out since the
>>last time he got an impound warning for impeding snow removal, walks
>>to the lift, never shows his pass.
>
>I'd say
>
>"Drives some ancient 4wd that will have no problems making it to
>wherever the last blizzard hit hardest, even when the road is still
>covered from the blizzard. The same 4wd has American V8 power (even if
>the 4wd is a 1970 landcruiser) because this is the only way to shuttle
>12,000 foot mountain passes at 50-60MPH (this allows for 30,000 feet of
>vert in an easy day)."
>
Do you know what a Ford F150 is??? I myself own the cruiser of course. :-)
Oh... and you don't want to drop a V8 into an old Landcruiser.. wrong
power curve for off road. The straight six has much higher low end torque
and a much flatter torque curve. Unless of course your Landcruiser
never leaves the road....
>
>"Walks to lift?"
>
>You have a problem there. The best skiing *HAS* no lifts. If a
>Real Skier(tm) doesn't want to hike, he/she shuttles a pass instead.
>He/she is only seen at a lift when he/she stumbles across a free
>lift ticket or he/she became a Real Skier in a season He/She had
>a seasons pass.
>
Maybe in Colorado where there isn't that much snow. :-) But around
here, there are days you can't drive to a resort, much less risk your
life in the back country. Those are the days you have the pass for.
And the days you walk to the lift. Also, the lifts are a great way to
get access to the backcountry... merely ski off the back side. There
are days for the backcountry. There are days for the resort. There are
days to stay home .... and sleep.
>>
>>Expert Skier: Goes out to a fine restaurant for dinner apres ski.
>>
>>Real Skier: Is his waiter.
>>
>
>And eats out of a brown bag, unless he/she is environmentally
>concious and has a recyclable, blue, nylon lunch bag.
>
Naw.... eats leftovers at work.
>>Expert Skier: Calls the resort snow report before heading up.
>>
>>Real Skier: Carries a hand held scanner so he knows when the patrol is going
>>to open the bowls.
>
>Real skiers ski in the backcountry, where there are no patrols
>and the bowls are always open (weather you'd want to ski them
>or not is another matter).
>
Wrong. Real skiers ski everywhere.
>If they happen to be inbounds at a ski area, it's because they
>are patrol, or a patrol friend has given them a comp. pass, in
>which case they know when the bowls open.
>
Disagree here. Patroller != Real Skier. They are often on different sides of
the... er.... fence. Not to say that all patrollers are that way... why some
of my best friends are patrollers :-) But many a real skier works at a resort
doing something other than patrol and spend most of his time skiing the resort
where the skiing is paid for.... And as for going wherever the blizzard
hit the hardest.. that's why theres guys that work at Alta cleaning toilets
although they have a Ph.D. in microbiology.
>>Expert Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>>
>>Real Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>
>Thinks snowboards are pretty damm fun.
>
>Real skiers realize that alpine skis aren't the ideal vehicle for
>all conditions, and will be seen on teles, snowboards, 210 alpine
>boards, snow shoes, or whatever the situation merits.
>
Wouldn't know.. haven't owned any alpine skis in ten years. Too big
a pain in the butt to have to change shoes when you're ready to ski.
Do what feels best. Do what you can afford. Do what's challenging.
Someday snow tool preference will go the way of sexual preference.
Don't ask... Don't tell... Who cares? Long as your happy.
>>Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
>>
>>Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
>>for Christmas in Vermont.
>
>Ensures that his/her edges are always sharp enough to shave his/her
>thumbnail, even if this means using the edge tool, wetstone, and
>gummi stone daily, touching up with stones after he/she hits a rock.
>
No need for sharp edges for a majority of the season here. No need
to sharpen em... more important things to do. Maybe you should move to
somewhere where its not necessary.
>The Real Skier would never visit his parents during Christmas if
>they lived in Vermont, since a big dump could come and he/she could
>miss virgin botomless champaign powder.
>
Naw... even real skiers love their parents since their parents are the ones
that got them out there when they were two. Besides.. best to leave town
during christmas since that's when all the bozos park their ford explorers
in your driveway. And... the Real Skier doesn't care if he misses one dump.
He may get grouchy at work, but he knows there will be more of them... unless
he lives in Colorado of course where each one could be the last. :-)
>The Northern-Hemisphere Bound Real Skier may visit his parents in the
>middle of summer, although July would be too early, since there have been
>July storms that left a foot of fresh powder on high peaks.
I think you've missed the point. Real Skiers (tm) often get bored with
skiing... and if you haven't experienced that(IMESHO)... you're not a
Real Skier(tm).
>
>>Expert Skier: Knows all about snow making....
>>
>>Real Skier: Worked on the snowmaking crew for three years.
>
>Real Skiers would never work at a resort where snow making was
>necessary to insure coverage.
Wrong. Even Alta makes snow. It isn't to assure coverage but to "augment"
it. As for highest density of Real Skiers... I'd vote either Alta (on
a weekday) or Crested Butte. A real skier (as Eugene has stated before),
is not equivalent to the retrograde, gorp eating, radical backcountry
3-pinner. He's the guys that knows all the resorts, all the gear, most
of the (good) backcountry, how to route find, how to read the weather,
and snow conditions. Anyone that restricts themselves to one aspect of the
sport, looses out on the other aspects.
And no... I'm not a Real Skier(tm).... But I play one on the internet.
And everyone knows... Real Skiers(tm) don't waste their time on the
internet.
-klaus kl...@ced.tah.edu
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Klaus B. Biggers
>As a post, I had one of the best laughs in a long time.
> 5.9 (on the Baker scale).
>My opinion of why you didn't quite make a 6.0. But really good!
damn.... you mean I don't get the best post of the year award. :-(
And I already had a charity picked out... :-)
>In article <CBo8E...@ced.utah.edu> kl...@ced.utah.edu writes:
>>Expert Skier: Thinks the female lift attendant is cute.
>>Real Skier: Blushes when she tells him how much she enjoyed last night.
>Naw. The real skier doesn't care. (not original, I got this out of a rag
>one day while waiting). The real skier long ago weighed sex vs. a run
>in fresh waist deep powder. He chose the powder. (Ditto male attendents
>and female real skiers [does this hold for women? ....(thinking)... yes it
>does (know women who would agree).
Agreed.. I contemplated making this a non sex specific one but I grow tired
constantly having to defend choice of words with regards to sex. If I'd
included the male attendant/female real skier combo, I would have had to
include the male homosexual real skier/male attendant, lesbian real skier/
female attendant, and the animal lover/avalanche dog combos also... so
in the interest of bandwidth..... :-) I do most whole heartedly agree
that there are female real skiers... Also... w.r.t. sex vs. a run
in fresh powder... I-ve noticed the choice often depends on how long
its been since it snowed vs. how long its been since the RS has had sex. :-)
Of course... this is only what I've heard...
>>Expert Skier: Buys all his buddies beers at the lodge.
>>Real Skier: Gets all his beer free cuz he lives with the guy tending bar.
>The real skier doesn't need or have time for alcohol. He might buy a buddy
>beer after being pulled out of an avalanche or saved from a net post, but
>he (she) cannot afford to take the edge of his (her) skiiing. Another reason
>why they like Mormons so much. ^^^
|_ No pun intended I suppose?
>Reference: see the training of the young samuari in The Seven Samuari.
>Oh yes, this is the old "skiing under the influence" thread.
Yes it is... and we all know how I feel about that. :-) As for the beer.
I was refering to afterwards. I find many a Real Skier in the Brew Pub
after skiing... and before they go to work.... waiting tables... Why some
of them even tend bar at the Brew Pub...
>>Expert Skier: Thinks climbing skins are made of brightly colored Lycra(tm).
>>Real Skier: Knows how to reglue them.
>Regluing is pretty easy. I can't think pf a good one for this.
It is easy indeed.. I just thought the other comment about the ES was funny
since I actually heard someone say this.
>>Expert Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>>Real Skier: Thinks snowboarders are pretty damn funny.
>??
- Twas a joke... doesn't everyone think snowboarders are pretty
damn funny?? Its a joke guys.. okay....
>>Expert Skier: Has a fancy ski rack on his car.
>>Real Skier: Has a fancy ski rack by the front door.
>Rack? What rack?
The two ten penny nails driven into the sheet rock to keep the skis from
falling over.
>>Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
>>Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
>>for Christmas in Vermont.
>Vermont?
Everyone has to grow up somewhere.... Why some people even grow up
in Texas and still turn into Real Skiers.. (Granted.. very few :-)
But when they go home for christmas.. they rock climb.
>>Expert Skier: Thinks high speed quads are a type of ski lift.
>>
>>Real Skier: Thinks high speed quads are the leg muscles of the guy breaking
>>trail. (Again.. Thanx Dave)
>Extra credit points. Extra hard laugh.
Have to credit Dave Marceau (who also reads this group) on this one. An
adaptation of something he read in a ski rag.
>>Expert Skier: Goes on ski vacation, flies out, rents a fancy Ford Explorer
>>that he parks outside the three bedroom condo he rents.
>>Real Skier: Comes home from skiing to find some dumbshit tourist has parked
>>a Ford Explorer with a Budget Rent-a-Car sticker in his spot again, pulls the
>>valve stem cores from three tires, and tapes them to the windshield with a
>>nasty note.
>Extra points. Extra hard laugh. My Directorate Chief would tell a funny
>story based on something like this. He'd be the RS.
True story.... but it wasn't me.... honest.... I don't even live in a Condo.
honest.....
>>I'm not vegetarian because I like animals. I'm vegetarian because I
>>hate plants.
>I'm omnivorous. I like plants. I eat the things which eat the plants I like.
>Slurp!
Lunchtime... gotta go... Besides... I've used my quota of smileys for the
day...
-klaus kl...@ced.utah.edu
Marcus E Engdahl
>>>Expert Skier: Sharpens his edges once a week.
>>>
>>>Real Skier: Sharpens his edges when he flies home to visit his parents
>>>for Christmas in Vermont.
>>
>>Ensures that his/her edges are always sharp enough to shave his/her
>>thumbnail, even if this means using the edge tool, wetstone, and
>>gummi stone daily, touching up with stones after he/she hits a rock.
>>
>
>No need for sharp edges for a majority of the season here. No need
>to sharpen em... more important things to do. Maybe you should move to
>somewhere where its not necessary.
Hmm, where do you guys go when you want _serious_ skiing ? Powder is only
one part of the game and like one of my real die-hard friends said: Naah,
powder is too easy to be interesting, it doesn't make you better.
There is no need for sharp edges in powder but how about 45+ degree
couloir with icy snow ? Real skiers ski both stuff.
--
CHAMONIX - LE PLUS BEAU DOMAINE DU MONDE Marcus Engdahl
..route-finding errors rarely forgiven..
Lowell Skoog
Of course, a Real Skier doesn't scorn wealthy tourists for driving
BMW's and wearing new ski gear. A Real Skier figures that anyone who
takes up skiing can't be all bad. :-|
--Lowell Skoog
Seattle, Washington
Chris Webster
>>Real Skier: Knows how to reglue them.
>Regluing is pretty easy. I can't think pf a good one for this.
Get's Ramer to Hot Glue them for free.
--Chris
Klaus Biggers
>Hmm, where do you guys go when you want _serious_ skiing ? Powder is only
>one part of the game and like one of my real die-hard friends said: Naah,
>powder is too easy to be interesting, it doesn't make you better.
>There is no need for sharp edges in powder but how about 45+ degree
>couloir with icy snow ? Real skiers ski both stuff.
>
Terrible... isn't it.... to have all the good/hard skiing ruined by all that snow??
That's why I prefer that skiing out east where you can see the gum wrappers through
the ice. That's where the Real Skiers(tm) go.
---
-klaus kl...@ced.utah.edu
Patrick Jones
>That's why I prefer that skiing out east where you can see the gum wrappers
>through
>the ice. That's where the Real Skiers(tm) go.
yup.
Pat Jones, Maine skier.
Patrick McFalls
hello all, i hope this works okay, because this is the first time that
i have posted to this group. it feels good to be no longer just lurking around.
i am wondering if anyone would know where i could find the address to
pre/precision skis. three years ago, i bought these pre bump skis. i loved
them and they did me wrong. last season, while skiing what my friends and i
call ice bumps, i cracked my left ski right at the back of the binding, and
skiied it until it cracked all the way through. i thought of returning them to
the ski shop where i bought them, but because of differences with my boss
there (he wanted me to work when there was fresh snowfall, and i wanted to
ski) i had previously quit and i do not want to go back, there groveling.
so, i am hoping to send the skis to pre directly. btw, i had ski
patrol look at it and they said it was damage that would be considered covered
by the warranty. i heard that the ski company will either send you back new
skis, or give you a cheaper price on a new model. i do not know whether this
will include three year old skis, or not. i will probably just have to go out
and buy a new pair, but i figure why not ask first here, where i would get
feedback from people who know what they are talking about.
also, that expert v real thread makes me want quit school and head out
west, to spend my time cleaning toilets, becoming a backcountry local.
btw, i grew up skiing in the east, and have only been out west twice,
guess where? vail both times though it was not my choice of resorts. what can
a kid do? however, i cannot complain, because during the second trip, i was
skiing in waist high powder. 8-)
also, if i have to buy new skis, all i ask is that they do not break
while skiing bumps. one ski shop owner told me that if i broke those pre's, i
would eventually break any ski bought, if i keep sking bumps aggressively. can
anyone out there relate, or am i just some clueless one from the east.
anyway, it was great to finally communicate things that i have been
wanting to say for so long.
see everyone later,
patrick
bumps rule. ;-)
Eugene N. Miya
>>>Expert Skier: Goes out to a fine restaurant for dinner apres ski.
>>>Real Skier: Is his waiter.
>In article <1993Aug14.0...@colorado.edu>
dr...@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>>And eats out of a brown bag, unless he/she is environmentally
>>concious and has a recyclable, blue, nylon lunch bag.
>
>Naw.... eats leftovers at work.
Goldminers Daughter's leftovers?
BTW: you did get the intent of the "edge" pun. 8^)
>>The Real Skier would never visit his parents during Christmas if
>>they lived in Vermont,
>
>Naw... even real skiers love their parents since their parents are the ones
>that got them out there when they were two.
Naw, this is like the woman lift attendent, the real skier weighed
visiting his parents and skiing. Skiing wins. Unless Uncle Fred happens
to live in Cottonwood Heights. Some real tough questions (discrminatory
in the psychological parlance) could be asked like given the choice of
doing a powder run and saving say your baby daughter, which would you do?
Those are tough questions.
>Real Skiers(tm) don't waste their time on the internet.
Exactly.
Or to quote a friend:
Email is for graduate students.
--Keith Echelmeyer, Associate Professor, Univ. of Alaska
Eugene N. Miya
(Marcus E Engdahl) writes:
>Hmm, where do you guys go when you want _serious_ skiing ? Powder is only
>one part of the game and like one of my real die-hard friends said: Naah,
>powder is too easy to be interesting, it doesn't make you better.
Oh yeah? Well there is some truth to that.
>There is no need for sharp edges in powder but how about 45+ degree
>couloir with icy snow ? Real skiers ski both stuff.
Really? Wow.
--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eug...@orville.nas.nasa.gov
Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
"No longer aspires to be a real skier"
Glad the 45 deg chutes I have skied weren't icy.
Harold S. Lessure
Excerpts from netnews.rec.skiing: 16-Aug-93 Re: Expert Skiers vs. Real
.. by Eugene N. Mi...@wilbur.na
> --Keith Echelmeyer, Associate Professor, Univ. of Alaska
and ..errrr...."Retired Hackers"?
Eugene N. Miya
In article <sgQ6DS200...@andrew.cmu.edu>
"Harold S. Lessure" <hl...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>and ..errrr...."Retired Hackers"?
Nay. AI programs.
BTW: you showed scattering giving blue skies and red sunsets, but not
why objects don't appear blue. Kent had half the answer in psychophysics
(a perceptual thing).
--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eug...@orville.nas.nasa.gov
Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
We are Borg. Resistance is futile.
Harold S. Lessure
Excerpts from netnews.rec.skiing: 17-Aug-93 Re: Expert Skiers vs. Real
.. by Eugene N. Mi...@wilbur.na
> BTW: you showed scattering giving blue skies and red sunsets, but not
> why objects don't appear blue. Kent had half the answer in psychophysics
> (a perceptual thing).
Hmmm...it looks like we're getting into a gray area here....
There is the perception of color and there is the measurement of
the frequency of reflected (absorbed) radiation. Perception of
white depends on a comparison between objects and may involve
things like an expectation of whiteness...ie. I expect baseballs
to be white so if someone looks at a dirty grayish or even brownish
baseball they might say it is white when asked about it's color.
When does gray become bright enoough to be white?
On the other hand, the frequency of radiation is one of the things
that we can measure better than almost anything else. So...it
is definitely possible to look at snow for example and say that
certain frequencies are present in its reflected spectrum...In that
sense we can measure color unambiguously and very accurately.
Whether or not we want to call the result "white" depends entirely
on how we define "white". However, to go out on a limb...I was
originally thinking that snow is "white" because it reflects both
the bluish light coming indirectly from atmosperic scatterin and
the reddish light that constitutes the "unscattered" portion of
sunlight....
sun------:
\ | scattered
unscattered \ | bluish
reddish \ |
\ | * observer sees white
\ | *
_______snow______________\*|_____________
diffuse
reflector