Goner virus creators arrested
discogail
By LAURIE COPANS
Associated Press Writer
Published December 8, 2001, 3:58 PM CST
JERUSALEM -- Four Israeli youths in police custody have admitted to creating
and spreading the computer worm "Goner" by e-mail to attack hundreds of
users around the world, police said Saturday.
Police arrested the high school students, ages 15 and 16, from the northern
city of Nahariya on Friday, said Meir Zohar, the head of the police computer
crime squad.
The Internet worm first spread early this month to computers in Europe,
especially in France and Germany. American anti-virus companies have
reported more than 400 cases of Goner attacks worldwide. An Internet worm
can spread to other computers on its own.
The Goner worm appears as an apparently harmless e-mail, with a subject line
of "Hi" and a note asking the recipient to open an attached screen saver,
which affects the computer if downloaded. The worm then spreads to all
addresses in the computer's e-mail system and through the instant messaging
program ICQ and Internet chat tools.
Israeli police had been investigating the case for about a week, Zohar said.
One of the youths had admitted creating the worm and the other three
confessed to spreading it, he said.
Under Israeli law, the suspects could face between three and five years in
jail if convicted, Zohar said.
Copyright © 2001, The Associated Press
Frederic Bonroy
> Under Israeli law, the suspects could face between three and five
> years in jail if convicted, Zohar said.
Now that is good news. Let's hope they will end up in jail and not
simply be sent to bed without dinner as it's usually the case.
Art Kopp
wrote:
Yep. I have to say that the "kick some butt" spirit I've seen here
because of the war on terrorism is very refreshing. I have never been
able to understand why so many people allow others to trample on them
and intrude. Virus writers/releasers are criminals and I'd love to see
a war against them as well.
Art
Lee Higdon
"Art Kopp" <art...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Yep. I have to say that the "kick some butt" spirit I've seen here
> because of the war on terrorism is very refreshing. I have never been
> able to understand why so many people allow others to trample on them
> and intrude. Virus writers/releasers are criminals and I'd love to see
> a war against them as well.
>
robbery, etc.) isn't the answer. We have lots of jails and they are usually
packed to the gills; so we build more. Besides, the issue is really about
damage to property and loss of work to fix it. I'd like the idea of changing
the laws to make it exceptionally easy to collect monetary penalties against
those convicted, and if they are minors, their families. If we want to teach
them about paying the price, then we should make them pay a price. Jail time
compensates no one and penalizes those who have to pay for it (tax-payers).
You use the terrorism example. We'll see over time, the most effective way
to disarm terrorists is cutting off funding.
Peace,
Art Kopp
wrote:
>"Art Kopp" <art...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:3c1348c7...@news.epix.net...
>> Yep. I have to say that the "kick some butt" spirit I've seen here
>> because of the war on terrorism is very refreshing. I have never been
>> able to understand why so many people allow others to trample on them
>> and intrude. Virus writers/releasers are criminals and I'd love to see
>> a war against them as well.
>>
>There are lots of reasons why jail (in this case-not talking about armed
>robbery, etc.) isn't the answer. We have lots of jails and they are usually
>packed to the gills; so we build more. Besides, the issue is really about
>damage to property and loss of work to fix it.
That's the issue with writing/releasing and spreading malicious code
as well. Lousy jail and punishment systems are a separate subject. You
don't quit punishing criminals just because that. So fix the system. I
like the idea of work camps run by retired Marine Corps drill Sargents
... and the tougher the better. Have them building roads and other
infrastructure. Especially those with money who can afford fines.
>I'd like the idea of changing
>the laws to make it exceptionally easy to collect monetary penalties against
>those convicted, and if they are minors, their families. If we want to teach
>them about paying the price, then we should make them pay a price. Jail time
>compensates no one and penalizes those who have to pay for it (tax-payers).
>You use the terrorism example. We'll see over time, the most effective way
>to disarm terrorists is cutting off funding.
Now, that's just nonsense :) Cutting off their appendages is far more
appropriate!
I have no patience with anyone who talks about spreading the blame
either. So I forget to lock my house. The intruders are _entirely_ to
blame, not me. The same with malicous code. Noone who gets infected
shares in "blame" except to those who are confused :)
Art
FromTheRafters
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:52:17 GMT, "Lee Higdon" <leehi...@attbi.com>
> I have no patience with anyone who talks about spreading the blame
> either. So I forget to lock my house. The intruders are _entirely_ to
> blame, not me. The same with malicous code. Noone who gets infected
> shares in "blame" except to those who are confused :)
>
> Art
*click me* viruses wouldn't spread at all
if it weren't for blameless individuals.
Frederic Bonroy
> *click me* viruses wouldn't spread at all
> if it weren't for blameless individuals.
Also they wouldn't spread at all if they were not spread deliberately
by antisocial assholes in the first place.
Wormhole
before 911.
"Art Kopp" <art...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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FromTheRafters
"Frederic Bonroy" <yor...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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Agreed! Why anyone would do such a thing
is beyond my ability to fathom.
Lee Higdon
"FromTheRafters" <go...@nomad.net> wrote in message
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adverb. When talking about blame, it's important to understand the "who" and
the "what".
Same with responsibility; the "who" and the "what" are important. And when
we talk about assigning these things (blame and responsibility), it's
important not to confuse which "who" goes with which "what". Example: I'm
responsible for my security. No one else is. Certainly, not the police nor
the FBI. If I'm aware of a possible breach, it's my responsibility to take
reasonable action. I'm not responsible, however, for the actions of those
who would take advantage that situation, nor am I responsible for any
breaches that occur for which I reasonably should not be aware.
With respect to viruses and their spread, it's really not all that hard to
figure out who is to blame if you keep your eye on the "for what".
Peace,
Craig Kling
Kick them out to the Palestinians.
Craig Kling
"Lee Higdon" <leehi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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With the amount of intrusion by the authorities into how parents might
discipline their kids I'd oppose making the parents all that liable for some
sorts of mischief the kids might cause. I'd think that some proof of actual
neglect should be a prerequisite.
Parent beats his kids ass for some naughtiness and them Child Protection
Services are likely to haul the kids away to learn about being
institutionalized for awhile.
Lee Higdon
"Craig Kling" <sun...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> With the amount of intrusion by the authorities into how parents might
> discipline their kids I'd oppose making the parents all that liable for
some
> sorts of mischief the kids might cause. I'd think that some proof of
actual
> neglect should be a prerequisite.
> Parent beats his kids ass for some naughtiness and them Child
Protection
> Services are likely to haul the kids away to learn about being
> institutionalized for awhile.
>
It has nothing to do at all with "intrusion by authorities". It has
everything to do with "responsibility". FYI, if a minor is convicted in
juvenile court for property damage, I'll wager in every state in the US,
parents can be held financially liable and accountable, to some extent. I
know that is a certainty in the states of Illinois and Georgia. Haven't
checked Texas, yet. And I'll bet a paycheck it applies in California. In
most recent cases here, with respect to Internet Worms, the problem they
cause goes well beyond "mischief". There is loss of property (data) as well
as unlawful access to that data (without permission).
Peace,
Craig Kling
I got my opinion and you got your own. I said what I'd oppose and you
carry on about the law.
You say it has to do with responsibility and I have seen very many
instances of parents coming under heavy heel of an agency that seems to not
need to respect much of what folks might consider rights of parents and
civil rights in general.
If the state is going to interfere with parents discipline then some
amount of that responsibility starts falling toward the state.
The community - society in general - has much to do with influence in
raising a child. The responsibility is not totally the parent, and
especially when the parents rearing is interfered with.
Your backing your opinion with what is the law is a fallacious argument
in relation to what you might think and what I might think ought to be the
law.
Craig Kling
"Frog2" <ab...@rr.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3c1348c7...@news.epix.net>
> art...@nowhere.com (Art Kopp) wrote:
>
> Actually, I would like to see them out of jail and sent as
> exchange students to Palestine.
LOL - Similar to my thought.
Send them for education.
I guess one could determine if they learned their lesson if they never
did it again.
Laura Fredericks
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:49:08 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <go...@nomad.net>
wrote in post:
>...Why anyone would do such a thing is beyond my ability to fathom.
(Geesh, how many times have I said this already?)
Because they *can*. ;-)
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4Q
Fred !! What a cynic *heh*
======
And the hang'em high crowd went on to pour out their personal grievances.
*grin*
You self-righteous assholes, it's a few kids playing high jinx not a bunch
of life threatening terrorists, get a reality check will ya.
4Q ;]P
Lee Higdon
> Your backing your opinion with what is the law is a fallacious
argument
> in relation to what you might think and what I might think ought to be the
> law.
>
Ok. Explain how it's fallacious then. Can't follow the argument?
Peace,
Lee Higdon
"4Q" <Iwil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> You self-righteous assholes, it's a few kids playing high jinx not a bunch
> of life threatening terrorists, get a reality check will ya.
>
Peace,
FromTheRafters
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> On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:49:08 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <go...@nomad.net>
> wrote in post:
> >...Why anyone would do such a thing is beyond my ability to fathom.
>
> (Geesh, how many times have I said this already?)
>
> Because they *can*. ;-)
>
HaHa - I knew that was coming, Laura.
;o)
Laura Fredericks
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:04:28 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <go...@nomad.net>
wrote in post:
>HaHa - I knew that was coming, Laura.
I'm soooooo predictable. ;-)
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Frederic Bonroy
> You self-righteous assholes, it's a few kids playing high jinx not
> a bunch of life threatening terrorists, get a reality check will ya.
It's not a few "kids", it's a few criminals and they should be treated
as such.
I am really tired of the "it's just kids", "just wanted to have fun",
"didn't know what they were doing" bullshit.
4Q
Fred here is your answer http://fourq.host.sk/bonroy.htm ;]]
4Q
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"Craig Kling" <sun...@pacbell.net> writes:
>"Lee Higdon" <leehi...@attbi.com> wrote ...
>>
>> "Craig Kling" <sun...@pacbell.net> wrote ...
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