Bruni Finally Begins to "Get It"
Gandalf Grey
June 18, 2001
News Analysis: Bush's Easygoing Words and Hard Line Actions
By FRANK BRUNI
BLED, Slovenia, June 17 - Over the last week, as President Bush pinged from
country to country and prime minister to president, he was in some senses
the epitome of diplomatic etiquette.
Always, he told the European leaders he met on his first overseas trip as
president that he was eager and delighted to hear from them. Always, he
stressed his desire to cooperate with them, to learn more about them, to
come to a point where they could work blissfully together.
It was, in Mr. Bush's stated view, a transcontinental listening tour, the
beginning of "consultations" - a word he used time and again - that would
embrace all the important issues and carry through the duration of his
presidency.
And yet he had abandoned the Kyoto accord on global warming - and offered no
apologies for it. He was launching into more intensive research for, and
development of, a missile defense shield - and demonstrated no equivocation
or willingness to turn back in the face of profound reservations from
important allies.
Over the course of five European countries and five frenetic days, Mr. Bush
established an approach to foreign policy much like his approach to domestic
affairs: occasionally humble remarks matched by largely unswerving
positions, sweet words coupled with hard-line actions.
"I look forward to consulting," he said at the first news conference of his
trip in Madrid on Tuesday, adding that he was eager to "continue the
consultations that have already begun."
"I realize it's going to require a lot of consultation, but I'm willing to
listen," he said.
But by Saturday evening, when he left this country in the northwest corner
of what was Yugoslavia under Communism, it was not all that much clearer
than it had been at the start what he meant by consulting, or what the
fruits of that consultation would be.
Compromise certainly did not appear to be one of them. Mr. Bush had come to
Europe with several hot- button issues - global warming and missile defense
being the two most prominent ones - dividing him and his European
counterparts, or at least rendering their relations somewhat tense.
He left with many of them agreeing to disagree with him, and with Mr. Bush
in particular expressing a strong resolve to continue on the path he had
already chosen.
"It was striking," said Ivo Daalder, a senior fellow at the Brookings
Institution in Washington, who worked as a European specialist on the
National Security Council during the Clinton administration.
"Consultation really implies, to many other people, a give-and-take, putting
one view on the table, hearing the other view and seeing if what emerges
from the disagreement a way forward that satisfies both sides," Mr. Daalder
said. "That's not what Bush is about. There's no sense from this trip that
he has changed one iota on his views."
Administration officials see it differently. They say that Mr. Bush's
concern for conciliation was apparent in his repeatedly stated desire to
spend money and lead research on technologies to cut emissions of greenhouse
gases and his expressed interest in having European allies, and even Russia,
help determine the specific architecture of a missile shield.
In regard to the missile shield, Condeleezza Rice, Mr. Bush's national
security adviser, said, "The idea here is that we should have a new security
framework. Now, we are open as to what form that takes."
She and other administration officials added that a reason Mr. Bush was
trying to bring other countries on board early was so that they could have a
say in that form.
But those officials never publicly entertained the notion during Mr. Bush's
European trip that missile defense itself was up for negotiation, just as
they never invited a fresh discussion on the administration's abandoning of
the Kyoto accord.
Foreign policy experts suggested that part of that seeming intransigence may
be attributable to the kinds of bluffs involved in international poker - to
the idea that if you proclaim a willingness to budge before you have to, you
may end up budging more than you want. That was Mr. Bush's method as he
sought to drive his tax cut through Congress, and he ended up signing a bill
very much like the one he proposed.
Besides, Mr. Bush was speaking during his travels not just to a European
audience but also to Americans, and many of them support American
unilateralism and believe that the United States should have its way and
exert its will abroad.
But the line between insistence and arrogance can be a fine one, and the
principal evidence of the humility that Mr. Bush has long said should be a
part of American foreign policy existed mostly in the politeness of his
speech and the frequency of his smiles, not in concessions.
He talked one way and walked another, using symbols (in this case, meeting
dissenting leaders on their turf or in neutral places) and language to send
a message at odds with the substance of his plans.
This, too, was reminiscent of his political style at home, of the way in
which the decorations adorning his policies sometimes obscure their actual
effect.
When he was selling his tax cut to Americans, he stood beside middle- class
families and talked about waitresses raising children on their own, but the
wealthy were by far the biggest beneficiaries in dollars and cents. And he
was making superficially nice and jocular with Democrats, just as he did
with European leaders last week, without bending all that much to their
wishes.
It was unclear, after it was all said and done, what exactly Europeans could
expect to negotiate with Mr. Bush. When one of the president's foreign
policy advisers was asked during the trip about the impact Europeans had
made thus far on Mr. Bush's plans for missile defense, his answer concerned
the nomenclature of the project.
For a long while, Mr. Bush's advisers referred to the project as national
missile defense, which implied that it was designed to protect only the
United States, rather than Europe as well.
"Europeans came to us," the adviser said, referring to the first months of
the administration, "and the first thing they argued was, `How can you tell
us this isn't de-coupling when you use `national?"
"And it sort of stopped the conversation," he continued, "and, frankly, none
of us had a really good answer. So we dropped `national,' because they had a
point."
Whether that simple editing will be enough remains to be seen, and some
foreign policy experts contend that if Mr. Bush does not do more, he may
wind up estranging Europe at a time when its growing unity makes the United
States less important to it.
"The notion that you can just act in the way you did 25 years ago - which is
that we'll assert our leadership and expect others to follow - doesn't play
anymore," Mr. Daalder said. "Unilateralism has nothing to do with whether
you're willing to talk to people. It's whether you're willing to take their
views into account."
--
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush, Televised Newsconference
December 18, 2000
SikofLibs
sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
So what are you going to do now? Go to Disneyland? While you are there are
you going to figure out the ratio of how many blacks and whites are employed
there so you can give us the liberal scoop on how racist and unfair it is
there, here on alt.politics? We'll be looking fwd to that one, no doubt.
Keep us updated bud.
Sikoflibs
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
news:9gmtaa$5iv$1...@slb5.atl.mindspring.net...
spamm...@sucks.com
>So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
>sit in front of your computer .....To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
>book of records or something?
No, to beat fuckwit right wingers who have done the same for the last 5 years.
> I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
>most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
Combatting right wing ignorance and stupidity is a long process, fuckwit.
Originally, the tons of unproven allegation, insinuation, innuendo, conjecture
theory, rumor, stories and lies being spammed day in and day out required
constant ridicule. That hasn't changed.
>you going to figure out the ratio of how many blacks and whites are employed
>there so you can give us the liberal scoop on how racist and unfair it is
>there, here on alt.politics? We'll be looking fwd to that one, no doubt.
>Keep us updated bud.
The "ratio" of blacks and whites has always been unfair, has always been the
result of white's having the power to manipulate the ratios, and a function of
racism.
Best thing that could ever happen to a racist scumbag like you would be to be
forced to depend on blacks for employment, benefits, and anything you'd get
in your miserable life.
SikofLibs
Oh well, anyway what you said might be legit if libs based anything they
post on facts, but unfortunately that never happens. Nice try though!
SikofLibs
Steven Litvintchouk
>
> So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
> sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
> day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
> book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
> most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
"I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in
English class, but it all worked out OK. I'm gainfully employed."
-- President George W. Bush
Steven Litvintchouk
>
> The New York Times
>
> June 18, 2001
> News Analysis: Bush's Easygoing Words and Hard Line Actions
> By FRANK BRUNI
>
> BLED, Slovenia, June 17 - Over the last week, as President Bush pinged from
> country to country and prime minister to president, he was in some senses
> the epitome of diplomatic etiquette.
> And yet he had abandoned the Kyoto accord on global warming - and offered no
> apologies for it. He was launching into more intensive research for, and
> development of, a missile defense shield - and demonstrated no equivocation
> or willingness to turn back in the face of profound reservations from
> important allies.
Only Gandalf Grey and his fellow left-wingers would consider "no
apologies," "no equivocation," and "no willingness to turn back" as
negatives.
Because the left-wing prefers American officials who equivocate,
apologize, and turn back in the face of foreign threats. After all,
they got used to having a president like that from 1993-2000.
> Foreign policy experts suggested that part of that seeming intransigence may
> be attributable to the kinds of bluffs involved in international poker - to
> the idea that if you proclaim a willingness to budge before you have to, you
> may end up budging more than you want. That was Mr. Bush's method as he
> sought to drive his tax cut through Congress, and he ended up signing a bill
> very much like the one he proposed.
Exactly so.
There is no reason to believe that the French and other European
policies are non-negotiable either.
They may well end up compromising with us, rather than the other way
around.
> But the line between insistence and arrogance can be a fine one, and the
> principal evidence of the humility that Mr. Bush has long said should be a
> part of American foreign policy existed mostly in the politeness of his
> speech and the frequency of his smiles, not in concessions.
Teddy Roosevelt put it this way: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
Today, the "big stick" is missile defense.
> "The notion that you can just act in the way you did 25 years ago - which is
> that we'll assert our leadership and expect others to follow - doesn't play
> anymore," Mr. Daalder said. "Unilateralism has nothing to do with whether
> you're willing to talk to people. It's whether you're willing to take their
> views into account."
Actually, it's whether EACH side will be willing to take the other
side's views into account.
Europe has engaged in unilateralism of its own.
They demanded that the U.S. intervene militarily in the Balkans, without
ever committing to spend more money on their own defense. (You can
thank the left-wing filth in Europe for scotching that one.)
They turned a blind eye toward Russian technological assistance to Iran,
and the arms race between India and Pakistan.
And they have openly opposed U.S. policy in the Middle East, cozying up
to Yassir Arafat.
Europe NEVER asked the U.S. for our opinions on any of this.
It's Europe that should be doing the apologizing.
Carr Klub of America
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
::SikofLibs wrote:
::>
::> So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
::> sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
::> day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
::> book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
::> most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
::
::If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
::that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
::of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
::
::This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
::conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
No, Steve. Only takes about half a guy to handle you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Judged by any reasonably unbiased criteria, including
the administration's own forecast, the [Reagan economic program]
as actually implemented was an egregious failure. When Wall Street
heard the news of the tax cut, the stock market plunged
almost 20 percent in a two-month period, and the economy
promptly entered a recession which was to send unemployment
soaring to postwar highs and profit margins and capacity
utilization to postwar lows. Whereas the rate of inflation
was indeed cut in half, interest rates initially failed
to decline; and some yields, particularly mortgage rates
moved to new alltime peaks. The so-called real rate of
interest--the nominal rate less the rate of inflation--
reached levels unmatched since the early 1930s. The financial
position of the federal government made a hollow mockery of
the claim to return to a balanced budget as the deficit
soared from $60 billion in fiscal tear (FY) 1981 to $110
billion in FY 1982 and appeared headed toward $180 billion
in FY 1983."
----------Michael K. Evans, The Truth About Supply Side Economics, p.4
King Pineapple
Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3B2F8816...@earthlink.net...
> SikofLibs wrote:
> >
> > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do
you
> > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn)
per
> > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
Guiness
> > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
the
> > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
day.
>
> If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
>
> This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
Note the initials. GG. Now look at the next letter in the alphabet and
double that. "HH", as in "Harry Hope".
Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
to these parts.
Kurt Nicklas
HH is in NYC, GG is in Portland,Oregon.
'nuff said.
--
Kurt Nicklas
Weasel Quotes:
'Strange fucking morals you got. Your parents disgraced
themselves by not strangling you.'
-- Bryan Z. Jamieson(ze...@snowcrest.net)
Who gives a shit what these nuts like or don't like.
Koresh them all.
--Gary Roselles(rose...@idt.net)
Face it, I know this stuff better than you. You just can't
stand that, can you?
--Scott Erb(scot...@maine.maine.edu)
http://home.sprynet.com/~tiberias/leftwinghate.htm
johnz~
Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> SikofLibs wrote:
> >
> > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
> > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
> > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
> > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
> > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
>
> If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
>
> This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
"Gandalf Grey" is Rick Hanson. Since elsewhere in his posts he refers to
some sort of newspaper position, he could eaily post from work,come
home, and keep posting untilhe gets some sleep.
Then again,based on facts in his "Hanson" posts, he could easily be at
home all the time, on SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
I killfiled him, so I have no idea how much he's posting these days.
JS
--
A Short History Of The United States of America:
"Laugh all you want...I'm the one goin' down in history
as the Thomas Jefferson of squirrels."
Martin McPhillips
Harry Hope is Herbert Rubens, an apparently mostly out of work actor
who lives in Manhattan (which is where I live as well)--I might have
added an "s" to his last name. I'd have to check the exact spelling.
He began posting back in '96 as WellWell and "hiriser," and when it
was pointed out to him that the pre-packaged hit pieces he was posting
on Lauch Fairclosh (a designated Clinton enemy at the time) might very
well contain information gleaned from FBI files, he got spooked
and had his *entire* record of posts deleted from dejanews aka deja.com.
I get a strong feeling that Herbert is an old-time New York Commie,
not just a run of the mill liberal. He's very disciplined, don't
you think?
Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own admission,
is suicidal by his own admission, and what you're seeing now is
basically a re-enactment of an effort that began on or about
January 1, 1996, when he went from having posted about 90 some
times in all of 1995, to posting about 25-50 times a day. He
claims to be a personal friend of Senator Ron Wyden's, which is
probably one of the reasons he's trying to hide behind a pseudo
this time around in addition to all the admissions that I found
about his lifelong depression and suicidal impulses (I figured
out that he was suicidal before I found him admitting it).
Hanson is also into the occult, being a devotee of the Tarot
and similar systems of divination. I didn't really understand
Hanson the way I do now until I followed his posts in the
tarot newsgroup. He acted out the same way there, as he had
in the political groups in '96 and as he does here now--same
endless hate, which he then projects onto anyone who challenges
him. Seeing him act like that outside of the context of the
contentious political groups, I amended my original "suicidal"
determination (which he had confirmed in another newsgroup
devoted to depression) to include borderline personality disorder,
and he's never done a single thing to dissuade me from
that opinion.
Richard/Gandalf has always done something in a rather unique
way. For him, "right wing" is a hate trigger phrase. Once he can
append it to someone it sets off his fusillades of hate. That's
something I pointed out to him in '96 (and why I gave him the
name "Hater Hanson"), and partly the means by which I was able
to recognize him after he returned in December as Gandalf (although
I didn't recognize him for a couple of months, because I wasn't
reading his posts--and I mostly do not read them now, who could?).
And, I would be remiss if I failed to mention this, in '96 the
pattern of Hanson's posts, the way they seemed to be meeting
monthly quotas that would rise and fall rather symmetrically,
the sheer volume, led to a general consensus that he was being
paid for his work. But that question, as it is with Roselles
(who I regard as a fourth generation copy of the original Hanson),
presents something of a double-bind. Hanson would have to be
crazy to post the way he did in '96 and now if he were not being
paid for it, but then it is pretty clear that he is crazy--insofar
as his admitted depression, suicidalness, and his apparent borderline
personality disorder as evidenced by his ranting behavior sustains
that conclusion.
It's certainly not out of the question, of course, that he is both
crazy and getting paid.
Further, these tactics are a hallmark of the Left, and are identical
to the disciplined obstructive behavior of Communist activists.
A certain automatic pilot takes over on behalf of the cause. Note that
just beneath the surface of all of Hanson's posts (and Erb's, for that
matter) is an unrelenting anti-Americanism--not just dissent, but
unending representation of everything Bush does as an offense to
Europeans, or Russians, or Chinese--this is also typical Marxist/
Communist behavior.
Nowadays Hanson is calling himself a liberal, but he has also called
himself a Progressive--a nice word for being a socialist or Marxist--and
a "Communitarian." In his return last December he called for all
"Progressives, socialists, Greens, liberals, etc." to unite in the Great
Cause against the evil Bush. More typical Radical Leftist/Marxist/Communist
behavior.
Hanson is of course now denying he is Hanson, and if you really peer
down into his whole mess, you can certainly understand why, and why
that denial is par for the course.
Gandalf Grey
Carr Klub of America <bro...@leftjab.com> wrote in message
news:7f3vitctlt6pf2ctl...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:14:19 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> ::SikofLibs wrote:
> ::>
> ::> So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day
do you
> ::> sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen
porn) per
> ::> day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
Guiness
> ::> book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
the
> ::> most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
day.
> ::
> ::If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> ::that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> ::of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
> ::
> ::This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> ::conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
>
> No, Steve. Only takes about half a guy to handle you.
LOL!!
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kurt Nicklas
>
>
>Carr Klub of America <bro...@leftjab.com> wrote in message
>news:7f3vitctlt6pf2ctl...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:14:19 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
>> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> ::SikofLibs wrote:
>> ::>
>> ::> So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day
>do you
>> ::> sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen
>porn) per
>> ::> day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
>Guiness
>> ::> book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
>the
>> ::> most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
>day.
>> ::
>> ::If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
>> ::that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
>> ::of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
>> ::
>> ::This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
>> ::conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
>>
>> No, Steve. Only takes about half a guy to handle you.
>
>LOL!!
If in fact it DOES take only half a man to handle him, Dick then you're in luck.
You fill the bill EXACTLY.
Gandalf Grey
King Pineapple <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JbMX6.20179$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
But also note that the previous letter in the alphabet is FF which stands
for Ford Fairlane. The possibilities for conspiracy loons such as the right
wingers found here are "practically limitless."
>
> Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no
stranger
> to these parts.
While others indicate that King Pineapple is actually one Barney Fife, thus
explaining his adroit handling of numbers and arguments.
>
>
Gandalf Grey
Kurt Nicklas <tibe...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:9go399$g2m$2...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
Prove it.
'nuff said.
Gandalf Grey
johnz~ <johns...@removethishome.net> wrote in message
news:johnsabotta-AD42...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
> In article <3B2F8816...@earthlink.net>,
> Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > SikofLibs wrote:
> > >
> > > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day
do you
> > > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen
porn) per
> > > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
Guiness
> > > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
the
> > > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
day.
> >
> > If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> > that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> > of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
> >
> > This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> > conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
>
Suicide Sabotta wrote:
> "Gandalf Grey" is Rick Hanson.
There is no Rick Hanson.
> Since elsewhere in his posts he refers to
> some sort of newspaper position, he could eaily post from work,come
> home, and keep posting untilhe gets some sleep.
Or I could just be posting from under your bed like the boogeyman, John.
>
> I killfiled him, so I have no idea how much he's posting these days.
John got a little nervous being reminded of his necrophilia habits. Even
though his showing up at jumper parties and asking the nice people at the
morgue for samples is well know to the Seattle Police, it wasn't generally
spread around the internet until recently. Nowdays, John just stays in the
closet, dreaming of all those Kangacides that slipped through his fingers.
His violent and threatening posts are much missed by Billy Beck who often
spends some of the money he's earned dodging taxes on blood candles and
myrrh incense burned in memory of the many happy and peaceful hours he once
spent with Sabotta threatening to assassinate liberal posters to this group.
Gandalf Grey
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
> > The New York Times
> >
> > June 18, 2001
> > News Analysis: Bush's Easygoing Words and Hard Line Actions
> > By FRANK BRUNI
> >
> > BLED, Slovenia, June 17 - Over the last week, as President Bush pinged
from
> > country to country and prime minister to president, he was in some
senses
> > the epitome of diplomatic etiquette.
> > . . . .
> > And yet he had abandoned the Kyoto accord on global warming - and
offered no
> > apologies for it. He was launching into more intensive research for, and
> > development of, a missile defense shield - and demonstrated no
equivocation
> > or willingness to turn back in the face of profound reservations from
> > important allies.
>
> Only Gandalf Grey and his fellow left-wingers would consider "no
> apologies," "no equivocation," and "no willingness to turn back" as
> negatives.
Yeah, just us and most of Europe and Asia.
Go back to speculating on how many people I am, Steven. Your political
arguments aren't going anywhere.
Kurt Nicklas
From the header of your post:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.15.c9.86
'nuff said, Dick.
Steven Litvintchouk
>
> In article <JbMX6.20179$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, saddl...@earthlink.net opined...
> >
> >
> >double that. "HH", as in "Harry Hope".
> >
> >Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
> >to these parts.
Never heard of him.
> HH is in NYC, GG is in Portland,Oregon.
>
> 'nuff said.
Huh??
Is this a brilliant deduction on your part ("Elementary, my dear
Steven") that has totally eluded me?
What does NYC have to do with Portland Oregon?
Steven Litvintchouk
> . . . .
> Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
substantiate everything you wrote there?
la...@snickkkers.com
clue:
>This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
>conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
As usual, you powers of deduction are as fucked as your politics.
>--
>Steven D. Litvintchouk
>Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
>
>"I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in
>English class, but it all worked out OK. I'm gainfully employed."
> -- President George W. Bush
D.G. Porter
>
>
> Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
> to these parts.
Can you LOONIES please explain, if you can, what the fuck you have about
this Hanson guy?? I'll admit I must have come in after the game
started, but what the fuck IS IT with your obsession with the guy???
"Ooooooo!! It's Rick Hansen!!! Ooooooo!!!"
The only Rick Hansen I know is an old guy in Fullerton who thought he
could write songs...
la...@snickkkers.com
>>Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
>>to these parts.
>
>HH is in NYC, GG is in Portland,Oregon.
Why didn't you mention his halfwitted conclusion, SnicKKKers?
That's the issue here.
>
>'nuff said.
Ain't heard nothing from you about IDT, snicKKKers
Why is that?'
********************************************************
IMPEACHMENT IS A SHAM
That's why poor, dumb fujifart keeps mentioning it
(say it often enough, it becomes truth)
Gandalf Grey
Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3B2F9A3A...@nyc.rr.com...
My name isn't Richard Hanson, but of course, in your mind, he or I or
everyone else is responsible for all your mental problems, Martin, just like
so many before me have been. I'm the projection of your clinical depression
and I'm the projection of your suicidal obsession. How could it be
otherwise? How many times have we seen you pull that same sick trick on
others?
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"As it turns out, however, the Lisa persona (separate or not) does not
suffer
from an as advanced form of the mental defect exhibited by Leon. However,
recent sightings of Pease in the jfk group do indicate that her condition is
deteriorating as well. So saying that Lisa and Garby are one and the same is
not as much a slur on Lisa as it once was. She's advancing in her decline.
Garby's use of the word "delusion" in reference to another is, well, just
one
more instance in which she points out her condition by accusing others of
it.
Garby is sick. That much is clear. How she has been dealt with in this group
I
think serves as a model of how a serious newsgroup "community" can and
should deal with a aggressive disruptive mentally ill individual."
_____________________________________________
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"The thing I like about you, Jimmy, is that you're so perfect. You really
are. There's not a single imperfection in your entire system, and there
probably never will be until you just stop all that pain with one swift
blow.
Horrible time for you, the holidays, Jimmy. Just so awful to remember
what it is to grow up Jimmy Kennemur, gettin' all them beatin's.
Go play your organ, Jimmy. And remember that nobody cares, and
even fewer listen. Pull that cover up over your head and cry just like
it was old times."
___________________________________________
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"Nah. I'm talkin' right to the very core of you, Jimmy: Those beatin's
you got as a kid will never go away. But you know how to turn them
off for a few hours. Go do it. Stop botherin' the world with your
misery."
_________________________________________
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"It's great that you're a Democrat, Carl.
Because you're a bigot, a slob, a mental case, and a dope,
and a proud wearer of the Clinton-Carville blazer, and
you prove it all with your own words------"
__________________________________________
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"Your irrational fury and hatred? Interlaced with your suicidal
nature? Your projective identification of your own horrible
traits onto others so that you can openly loath that which
is you and pretend it's someone else? Your compulsive
character? All of those things wrapped into one make you
quite a package. Why would anyone not view you as violent
and threatening in nature? What else happens with a set
of disturbed qualities like that? Relaxed moments in heavy
traffic? Quiet reflection in public places?"
_________________________________________
Martin McPhillips wrote:
"I cite your entire record of posts. They are endless testimony
to your effort to give insincerity a bad name. They are an endless
oily testimony to precisely your lack of genuine thoughts.
They are full of disease and corruption."
You're one sick puppy, Martin. Oh, but that's MY fault, isn't it.
LOL!!
Gandalf Grey
D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3B2FA7...@pacbell.net...
You Fucker! Those were great songs!!!
Martin McPhillips
>
> >
> > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> > mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own admission,
> > is suicidal by his own admission
>
> My name isn't Richard Hanson,
Yes, it is. If it's not, you should get out of Richard Hanson's
body, his house, and his swimming pool.
And thanks for retrieving these posts. Most people have forgotten
about Garby Leon, a crank of a magnitude close to yours (but
not the same person as Lisa Pease, who was just a soppy Leftist trying
to tie everything from the beginning of time into the JFK
assassination). "Carl" is Carl Hudacek, the Democratic bigot
who said about Clarence Thomas: "The nigger doesn't even know
watermelon." "Jimmy" is, of course, the demented bigot Kennemur,
well known hater of Christians -- like yourself, Richard -- who
said that the Pope was a child molester. He tried to deny it
because by that time he wasn't allowing his bigoted rants to
be archived--but there it was in replies (tough luck for Jimmy,
wasn't it?).
I see you include one of my responses to you, Richard, and
I stand by every word of it.
You're a hater of the first order, just like Carl Hudacek and
Jim Kennemur, a crank perhaps an order of magnitude larger
than Garby Leon, but as a liar you don't quite cut it with
the likes of Tyrebiter. Oh, yes, you lie in virtually every
moment of every day -- witness your thousands of posts now
with headlines that are combinations of hate and lies about
Bush -- but Tyrebiter is a few yards down the road in the
aspect of remorselessness.
And your borderline personality disorder diverts some valuable
energy away from your lie-making. In fact, it diverts most
of your mental energies into your projective identification
of your own quite loathsome character traits onto others,
so that you can make your traits theirs, and then loath them
in others.
But, you've got to deny you are you. Don't want any of this
winding back up in Ron Wyden's Senate office. That would
be a no-no. I wonder if he still cares, Dick?
Gandalf Grey
Seriously, let me see if I can explain it. If you look into Google, you'll
find a pattern repeated in this group by Beck, McPhillips, John Sabotta and
Robertson with lesser roles played by John D, Ultra Z, Wayne Mann and a few
others.
The core group of nutballs in this group have circle-jerked themselves into
believing that they are the sole arbiters of truth in the Usenet universe.
Additionally, you'll find a strong thread of Bircherite secret society
feeling among the thugs. They are an elite group fighting the enemies of
democracy and anyone who doesn't agree COULD be a plant, a disinformation
artist, a paid mole, placed in the very heart of this terribly important
newsgroup to disrupt and report on the workings of the Beckians. Add one
more thing to this: a streak of pure unadulterated cruelty most strongly
found in the Sick Four: Beck, McPhillips, Sabotta and Robertson. These are
people who really LIKE to cause pain and fear in anyone they consider their
enemy. And people who don't agree with them are THE enemy.
Now, there's only so much these keyboard toughguys can do on a newsgroup.
They can use vulgarity, they can call their enemies names and they can
threaten. But most of the threats are necessarily vain. Beyond getting
people kicked off their ISPs there's not much that either side can
physically do to the other.
That's the origin of what I call the "outing game." The big four have been
into it for as far back as the archives currently go and probably farther.
Many people post under psuedonyms and when you look at the activities of the
Freepers for one example, you can readily see why. Unlike the left, the
right is heavily into harassment and it's hard to harass someone when you
don't know who they are or where they live. That's why so many liberals and
progressives choose to post under false names and nicknames.
And that's also why "outing" is so favored by the Gang of Four. It's
something REAL they can do. It looks tough, it looks intimidating and even
when they're wrong, they can always pretend they're right. It gives them
the self masturbatory jollies of thinking that they've really nailed someone
in the only way they really can. Oh, you'll see threats from Beck to
"visit" his enemies and Martin has threatened the same thing, but these guys
are utter cowards and other than looking up names in phone books, they're
paper tigers.
As for me, Martin and Beck both go blood simple whenever anyone challenges
them and so an attack is to be expected. I imagine this Hanson must have
been fairly successful at kicking these boys around so there's a bit of
transference going on. Undoubtedly they never succeeded in proving who he
was or exactly where he lived or where he was coming from so he made it to
the land of myth in the extremist conservative mentality you find here.
As for Martin's psychobabble. One thing is extremely clear from the
archives. Martin reaches for the psychologizing like a baby goes for candy.
Anyone he dislikes has got some dread mental disease and his technique has
rubbed off on lesser toads such as John D. Beck. Reading through nearly
any of MsPhillip's replies in the archives is like watching Sigmund Freud on
bad acid.
The bottom line on all these guys is simple. They're just a group of aging
punks who, if they ever had something to say, stopped being able to say it
long ago. Now, they're reduced to attempts at intimidation that are so
ingrained in them that they can't see they've become jokes.
D.G. Porter
>
> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
You are a mother-fucking asshole.
Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI. Their sanity is not
in question.
I volunteer my time several hours a month (newsletter ed.) for a group
of people with these disabilties. It's bad enough that they can't see
or get around without a guide dog or a motorized device or a docent,
they also have to put up with fuckwit scum like you.
As one of them told me, "It sucks being blind." You should try it for a
while, asshole.
Harold
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>> In article <JbMX6.20179$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, saddl...@earthlink.net opined...
>> >
>> >
>> >Note the initials. GG. Now look at the next letter in the alphabet and
>> >double that. "HH", as in "Harry Hope".
>> >
>> >Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
>> >to these parts.
>
>Never heard of him.
>
>> HH is in NYC, GG is in Portland,Oregon.
>>
>> 'nuff said.
>
>Huh??
>Is this a brilliant deduction on your part ("Elementary, my dear
>Steven") that has totally eluded me?
>What does NYC have to do with Portland Oregon?
Look at the headers. For example, your host is in Boston, I believe.
Regards, Harold
-------
"Green politics at its worst amounts to a sort of Zen fascism; less
extreme, it denounces growth and seeks to stop the world so that we can
all get off."
---Chris Patten, Independent (London, 19 April 1989).
Gandalf Grey
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> > > mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own admission,
> > > is suicidal by his own admission
> >
> > My name isn't Richard Hanson,
>
> Yes, it is.
No it's not.
>If it's not, you should get out of Richard Hanson's
> body, his house, and his swimming pool.
Yeah, pretty funny. I'm not Richard Hanson
>
> And thanks for retrieving these posts.
You're welcome, Martin. I'm going to be posting more of them. I intend to
shove one or two of them right up your ass from time to time. Whenever you
decide to hit someone else over the head with your own mental illness. It's
a good thing that other posters here see that you're a liar and a cheap con.
Depend on it.
King Pineapple
> Harry Hope is Herbert Rubens, an apparently mostly out of work actor
> who lives in Manhattan (
Wonder if he's any relation to Paul Reubens (AKA Pee Wee Herman)?
D.G. Porter
>
> King Pineapple <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:JbMX6.20179$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> stranger
> > to these parts.
>
> While others indicate that King Pineapple is actually one Barney Fife, thus
> explaining his adroit handling of numbers and arguments.
"Oh-ho, Aindee!!!!"
"Andy, why is Barney doing all this!??" "'Cuz he's a nut..."
D.G. Porter
>
> From the header of your post:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.15.c9.86
"Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me," but WHAT does
that MEAN???
Some of us pore users jest ain't as enlightened about numbers as you is.
Martin McPhillips
>
> Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3B2FAE81...@nyc.rr.com...
> > Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> > > > mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own admission,
> > > > is suicidal by his own admission
> > >
> > > My name isn't Richard Hanson,
> >
> > Yes, it is.
>
> No it's not.
It sure is. Unless Richard Hanson wasn't Richard Hanson.
>
> >If it's not, you should get out of Richard Hanson's
> > body, his house, and his swimming pool.
>
> Yeah, pretty funny. I'm not Richard Hanson
Sure you are. You don't want any of your current sickness
to wind back up in Ron Wyden's office with a Post-It on
it that says: "Is this person a friend of yours?"
>
> >
> > And thanks for retrieving these posts.
>
> You're welcome, Martin. I'm going to be posting more of them.
Fine with me. In your case, all I had to do was just post
one long list of the headers you created attacking Dana. Didn't
even have to go into the bodies of the messages, which were
filled with the usual ranting hatred.
> I intend to
> shove one or two of them right up your ass from time to time.
You'd love to do that, wouldn't you?
> Whenever you
> decide to hit someone else over the head with your own mental illness. It's
> a good thing that other posters here see that you're a liar and a cheap con.
Well, Richard, there's never going to be a day when you're not mentally
ill, not for the rest of your life, and you'll never stop lying, and
you'll never stop trying to make all the mental illness, the hate, and
the lying someone else's. So, who is it really, Richard, who has the
tough row to hoe?
> Depend on it.
I'm just shaking at the prospect, as if anything I ever wrote could
get halfway to what you write and condone in the writing of your
chums every day. I'm just terrified.
la...@snickkkers.com
>If in fact it DOES take only half a man to handle him, Dick then you're in luck.
Having effectively had your dumb racist, homophobic, antigovernment ass shut
down,
you'd have a tough time convincing anyone that your abilities to make that
judgement were credible.
>
>You fill the bill EXACTLY.
Your ability to get your ass kicked is unsurpassed, SnicKKKers
Hows the IDT "booted" thing coming along, McSnicKKKers?
I'm still laughing at your dumb ass.
D.G. Porter
>
> Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > . . . .
> > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> > [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
>
> Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
> I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
> substantiate everything you wrote there?
I wish some "Martin-type" would tell everyone about my career and work.
I can use the free publicity.
"A Portrait of Charles Ives" -- EMI Classics
"When the Moon" -- Decca
"Ives Plays Ives" -- Composers Recordings Inc.
"Definitely Maybe" -- The Musical Times, July 1997
Gandalf Grey
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
> > Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3B2FAE81...@nyc.rr.com...
> > > Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> > > > > mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own
admission,
> > > > > is suicidal by his own admission
> > > >
> > > > My name isn't Richard Hanson,
> > >
> > > Yes, it is.
> >
> > No it's not.
>
> It sure is. Unless Richard Hanson wasn't Richard Hanson.
My name is not Richard Hanson and it just fucks your pin brain knowing you
can't prove who I am.
>
> >
> > >If it's not, you should get out of Richard Hanson's
> > > body, his house, and his swimming pool.
> >
> > Yeah, pretty funny. I'm not Richard Hanson
>
> Sure you are.
No I'm not. You're still brain fucked, Martin.
> >
> > >
> > > And thanks for retrieving these posts.
> >
> > You're welcome, Martin. I'm going to be posting more of them.
>
> Fine with me. In your case, all I had to do was just post
> one long list of the headers you created attacking Dana. Didn't
> even have to go into the bodies of the messages, which were
> filled with the usual ranting hatred.
Poor baby. Too bad you didn't spend the time trying to expunge your own
record. It's a lot longer and a lot more damning.
>
> > I intend to
> > shove one or two of them right up your ass from time to time.
>
> You'd love to do that, wouldn't you?
I already am, Martin.
>
> > Whenever you
> > decide to hit someone else over the head with your own mental illness.
It's
> > a good thing that other posters here see that you're a liar and a cheap
con.
>
> Well, Richard, there's never going to be a day when you're not mentally
> ill, not for the rest of your life,
Of course, Martin. All of your mental problems are really me. We're the
sick ones. You're the only one who's sane.
>and you'll never stop lying,
Sure, Martin. We're all liars. You're the only one who knows the truth.
>and
> you'll never stop trying to make all the mental illness, the hate, and
> the lying someone else's.
I'm not the one with the mile long archive of Psychology Today rant posts,
Martin. That's you. I'm not the one who introduced the whole "projection"
threadline to this group. That was you. If it's biting you on the balls
now, it's no one's fault but yours. Oh that's right. I forgot. It's
Everyone's fault but yours.
> So, who is it really, Richard, who has the
> tough row to hoe?
You, Martin. You have to make the case that your psychotic ravings over the
last decade are correct and that all the people YOU accused of mental
illness are really mentally ill. You're the one who's going to have to
demonstrate that your venomous posts are the sweet ramblings of a reasonable
man and that actually it was ALL those other people who were sick.
That's going to be tough one, Martin.
>
> > Depend on it.
>
> I'm just shaking at the prospect, as if anything I ever wrote could
> get halfway to what you write and condone in the writing of your
> chums every day. I'm just terrified.
I know you are, Martin.
D.G. Porter
Here we come now!
Hear our thunder!
Lightning fast, and we don't blunder!
This is Ram country!
This is our country!
We are the Rams!
The opponents on the field
Will bend, break and yield
To the Bam Bam Bams
Of the Rams Rams Rams!
This is Ram country!
This is our country!
We are the Rams!
We cannot hide our pride!
Our loyalty we won't divide!
For we live in fame,
And we'll win this game!
We are the Rams!
Here we come now!
Strong and steady!
We are the Angels
And are we ready!
From the infield to the outfield
And all around the bases,
They're covered by our aces!
We throw the fast ball fast,
The slow ball down the middle,
Hit the long ball far,
The short ball just a little.
We makea double play
Or make a double steal.
Stretch a single to a double if that's the way we feel.
We are the California Angels, our team by choice!
Stand with us and raise your voice!
"Yes you can, yes you can, yes you can!"
Hey, with words like these, the march-tunes I wrote were lucky to be as
good as they were! I sold 'em to Albert Harclerode's "Tubadours"
quartet (check out their two LPs) after the Fullerton "RH" rejected them
as "tennis club" songs!
Oh yes, this Fullerton Hanson guy also wrote a couple of "Bonanza"
scripts, or so he claimed...
D.G. Porter
>
> "Carl" is Carl Hudacek, the Democratic bigot
> who said about Clarence Thomas: "The nigger doesn't even know
> watermelon."
Hey, that IS pretty funny!—altho' spoilt by the N word... But he
(Clarence the Oreo'ed One, also known to his friends as "Bigger" Thomas)
"knows" this one white woman offen enuff, at least I hear that...
> "Jimmy" is, of course, the demented bigot Kennemur,
> well known hater of Christians -- like yourself, Richard -- who
> said that the Pope was a child molester.
"Hello there, little Bambino, want a little piece of Vatican candy??"
"I have a firm 'staff,' and I'll stick it out!"
Scott Erb
> >
> > Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > > . . . .
> > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> > > [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
> >
> > Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
> > I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
> > substantiate everything you wrote there?
I'm never sure if Martin really believes what he posts, or if he
simply tries to figure out the most effective personal
attack/insult he can and hope to get on peoples' nerves.
I'm also a bit uncertain what is meant by the charge of
"anti-Americanism." As an American, I do find myself opposed to
a lot of American foreign policy. But I see myself in the
tradition of men like Maine Republican Thomas Reed of the late
19th century who opposed American imperialism and believed that
the US was sacrificing its values in its attempt to become a
world power. I believe strongly that the US constitution and
the American experiment in democracy is a noble effort and
represents an example of how identity need not be tied to blood
(as too often is done still in Europe) and can encompass various
ethnic groups, religions and philosophies while still promoting
cooperation and dynamism. When I criticize American policy it
is not out of anti-Americanism, but a desire to see my country
live up to the values I believe reflect the best of what America
stands for.
Does disagreeing with policy, be it Kosovo or Cold War support
for dictators, equal anti-Americanism? More ominiously, can't
one see the potential danger of equating lack of support for
government policies with charges that sound like accusations
that someone is a traitor (such as during the McCarthy era).
Gandalf Grey
Okay, so maybe they weren't THAT good.
I finally sent in that one script which revealed that Hoss was really a
serial Longhorn rapist but the network thugs rejected it.
Philistines!
johnz~
Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > . . . .
> > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> > [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
>
> Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
> I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
> substantiate everything you wrote there?
Mr. Hanson's mental problems and his amateur Tarot-dabbling are all
documented in the posts written under the name of "Hanson".
It was obvious then that he was trying to disrupt the newsgroups, just
as it's obvious now that he's trying to do so.
There are many reasons to believe that "Gandalf" is Hanson: one of the
most conclusive surfaced recently, when nutball weasel "Sherwood Ensey"
posted this:
_______________________________________________________________________
Path:
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-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail
From: ensey_...@yahoo.com (Sherwood)
Newsgroups:
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.impeach.bush,alt.politics,alt.p
olitics.bush,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Sherwood Ensey Condemns "Gandalf Grey"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 20:56:18 -0700
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johnz~ <johns...@removethishome.net> wrote in message
news:<johnsabotta-4C03...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>...
(snip abusive, lunatic ranting)
The reference was made to you and about you Sabotta; it was not made
about Richard Hanson, aka Gandalf Grey. I already know him, and I know
what his real mail address and ISP is, because he was glad to provide
me with it, as are most decent folk on any of the NG's.
(snip more abusive, lunatic ranting)
_________________________________________________________________________
(Complete Ensey post available elsewhere on newsgroup for those who want
to read the entire tedious rant.)
Mr. Ensey backpedalled furiously when it was pointed out that he'd
unveiled Hanson, and is now pretending that it was all some kind of
trick. Judge for yourself.
Of course, evidence that Hanson = Gandalf has been piling up for some
time now. He gives himself away quite often.
JS
--
A Short History Of The United States of America:
"Laugh all you want...I'm the one goin' down in history
as the Thomas Jefferson of squirrels."
Kurt Nicklas
First say, 'Pretty please.', DG.
<snickers>
Martin McPhillips
>
> Steven Litvintchouk wrote:
> > >
> > > Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > > > . . . .
> > > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> > > > [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
Extremely serious charges? I just described what Richard Hanson
has done and what he has admitted about himself. I've posted
his posts. Now, if you're talking about borderline personality
disorder, that's my opinion, but it's a very sound opinion.
> > > Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
> > > I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
> > > substantiate everything you wrote there?
>
> I'm never sure if Martin really believes what he posts, or if he
> simply tries to figure out the most effective personal
> attack/insult he can and hope to get on peoples' nerves.
Please, Erb. I pay very close attention to what is going on
and what people say and what they do. And everything I've
ever said about you I absolutely believe to be true--and
I don't think that there are too many people who don't
call themselves Weasels who would disagree with me.
D.G. Porter
>
> D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3B2FA7...@pacbell.net...
> > King Pineapple wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no
> stranger
> > > to these parts.
> >
> > Can you LOONIES please explain, if you can, what the fuck you have about
> > this Hanson guy?? I'll admit I must have come in after the game
> > started, but what the fuck IS IT with your obsession with the guy???
> > "Ooooooo!! It's Rick Hansen!!! Ooooooo!!!"
> > The only Rick Hansen I know is an old guy in Fullerton who thought he
> > could write songs...
>
> Seriously, let me see if I can explain it. If you look into Google, you'll
> find a pattern repeated in this group by Beck, McPhillips, John Sabotta and
> Robertson with lesser roles played by John D, Ultra Z, Wayne Mann and a few
> others.
>
> The core group of nutballs in this group have circle-jerked themselves into
> believing that they are the sole arbiters of truth in the Usenet universe.
M-yes, I figured that one out... they aren't the only members of the
cabal, but they are omnipresent...
> Additionally, you'll find a strong thread of Bircherite secret society
> feeling among the thugs. They are an elite group fighting the enemies of
> democracy
This is Bircher country where I live. I know these types purty well.
Everything is a commie plot...
> and anyone who doesn't agree COULD be a plant,
Maybe a hemp plant...? Gotta light, anyone?? This-here's some o' that
stuff newt used to fire up afore he wrote an OpEd...
> a disinformation
> artist, a paid mole, placed in the very heart of this terribly important
> newsgroup to disrupt and report on the workings of the Beckians. Add one
> more thing to this: a streak of pure unadulterated cruelty most strongly
> found in the Sick Four: Beck, McPhillips, Sabotta and Robertson. These are
> people who really LIKE to cause pain and fear in anyone they consider their
> enemy. And people who don't agree with them are THE enemy.
Yeah, been there, dealt with 'em...
How do I get these guys to publicize me and my work for me? I'm too
poor to afford personal stalkers...
johnz~
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> johnz~ wrote:
> >
> > SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
>
> You are a mother-fucking asshole.
And you're a Nazi-sympathizing piece of shit, Porter. Ooh, did I
*offend* you? I'm *so* sorry.
> Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
Not all of them.
> Their sanity is not
> in question.
> I volunteer my time several hours a month (newsletter ed.) for a group
> of people with these disabilties. It's bad enough that they can't see
> or get around without a guide dog or a motorized device or a docent,
...they also have to put up with being "helped" by self-righteous creeps
like you, Porter, vultures who prey on their misfortune for your own
self-aggrandizing political and personal agenda.
> they also have to put up with fuckwit scum like you.
> As one of them told me, "It sucks being blind." You should try it for a
> while, asshole.
You should try shooting up Drano for a while, Porter. Clean your whole
system right out.
Martin McPhillips
>
> Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3B2FB67B...@nyc.rr.com...
> > Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > >
> > > Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3B2FAE81...@nyc.rr.com...
> > > > Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> > > > > > mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own
> admission,
> > > > > > is suicidal by his own admission
> > > > >
> > > > > My name isn't Richard Hanson,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is.
> > >
> > > No it's not.
> >
> > It sure is. Unless Richard Hanson wasn't Richard Hanson.
>
> My name is not Richard Hanson and it just fucks your pin brain knowing you
> can't prove who I am.
I don't need to prove who you are, Richard.
I know who your are.
> > > >If it's not, you should get out of Richard Hanson's
> > > > body, his house, and his swimming pool.
> > >
> > > Yeah, pretty funny. I'm not Richard Hanson
> >
> > Sure you are.
>
> No I'm not. You're still brain fucked, Martin.
But of course you are you, Richard. You are
*unmistakeably* you. I've dealt with you and
observed you on your visits here over the years.
> > > > And thanks for retrieving these posts.
> > >
> > > You're welcome, Martin. I'm going to be posting more of them.
> >
> > Fine with me. In your case, all I had to do was just post
> > one long list of the headers you created attacking Dana. Didn't
> > even have to go into the bodies of the messages, which were
> > filled with the usual ranting hatred.
>
> Poor baby. Too bad you didn't spend the time trying to expunge your own
> record. It's a lot longer and a lot more damning.
You damn yourself with every post, Richard. But, of course, you're
not afraid because you're pretending to be a character
from a fantasy novel. Your lunatic rants don't have to be searched
for in the archives, they show up fresh, hourly.
> > > I intend to
> > > shove one or two of them right up your ass from time to time.
> >
> > You'd love to do that, wouldn't you?
>
> I already am, Martin.
Oh, is that what you think, Richard?
> > > Whenever you
> > > decide to hit someone else over the head with your own mental illness.
> It's
> > > a good thing that other posters here see that you're a liar and a cheap
> con.
> >
> > Well, Richard, there's never going to be a day when you're not mentally
> > ill, not for the rest of your life,
>
> Of course, Martin. All of your mental problems are really me. We're the
> sick ones. You're the only one who's sane.
Well, yes, I am quite sane. And I enjoy being sane. I don't particularly
enjoy having to tell you that you're a borderline personality disorder,
but then I'm probably one of the few people around here who recognizes
and has had experience with people who share that terrible mental
condition. I only point it out when I do because I know of the difficulty
people have in understanding why someone acts out the way you do--most
people don't get it. So I explain it as best I can (but, of course, I
know almost nothing about psychology).
> >and you'll never stop lying,
>
> Sure, Martin. We're all liars. You're the only one who knows the truth.
Who is "we," Richard? Are you the spokesman for a group now?
Are you speaking for a group that is currently your all-good object?
That's nice.
Gandalf Grey
Scott Erb <scot...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3B2FC0E2...@verizon.net...
Of course there's a strong strong thread of McCarthyism that runs through
this group. Everything from Steven Litvintchouk's charges of SEDITION and
TREASON to worse. Martin, however, is really the mad word bomber of the
group and his inability to deal with most posters without dragging in
charges of mental illness is not only his signature problem but a habit that
has rubbed off on his cohorts.
It wasn't that long ago that lengthy psuedo-reports by psychologists made
the rounds of the internet purporting to back-analysize Bill Clinton as a
social psychopath. Shortly after she was elected to the Senate, the same
kind of 'reports' circulated on Hillary Clinton. I suspect it was from
these pseudo-psychological propaganda works that Martin first got the idea
of tarring his worst enemies with the stain of psychosis. Wherever he got
the idea, it certainly gripped him firmly enough to leave Martin largely
incapable of responding to posts without it.
To the bigger and more ominous question of tainting in general, it's to be
presumed that when one's opponents in the political realms fail in their
arguments they will reach for other weapons. There's the old lawyer joke
that goes: "if you can't argue the facts, argue the law. If you can't argue
the law, argue the facts. If you can't argue the facts or the law, call the
other lawyer names."
Here on thugnet, allegations, innuendo, argument and law all failed the
right wing. Clinton got through two terms and was largely popular to the
American People. Failing all of these, McCarthyism aimed at liberals and
progressives was a predictable if deplorable outcome. When you add to that
the fact that the oldest, tone-setting members of this group are a small
band of horribly unhappy and angry social malcontents with a deep
persecution complex, you get all the fixings for many happy hours of
kangaroo courting and character assassination with a few choice physical
threats thrown in just for spice.
Gandalf Grey
> In article <3B2FA626...@earthlink.net>,
> Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > > . . . .
> > > Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been. . . .
> > > [EXTREMELY serious charges against Grey deleted for brevity]
> >
> > Now these are VERY serious charges you are making, sir.
> > I'm going to ask you this just once: If needed, are you prepared to
> > substantiate everything you wrote there?
>
> Mr. Hanson's mental problems and his amateur Tarot-dabbling are all
> documented in the posts written under the name of "Hanson".
Which I suppose would prove that someone named Hanson wrote the posts you're
referring to. As to what else it proves. Well, not much else, John.
>
> It was obvious then that he was trying to disrupt the newsgroups, just
> as it's obvious now that he's trying to do so.
I always have to smile when I hear the phrase "disrupt the newsgroups" from
someone like Sabotta. For John, posting personal information without
permission isn't 'disruption,' nor is posting threats of violence against
others. Something that he and his mentor, Billy Beck are both fond of
doing. I suspect strongly that what John means by 'disrupt the newsgroups'
is that more liberal posters are weighing in on things in this group lately,
and as more and more liberal voices are heard, violent thugs like John are
posting less as they apparently no longer like the odds.
>
> There are many reasons to believe that "Gandalf" is Hanson: one of the
> most conclusive surfaced recently, when nutball weasel "Sherwood Ensey"
> posted this:
It's an interesting post which I note that Ensey backed away from. In point
of fact, the only dealings I've had with Ensey are right in this group and
it's not possible for him to have my home email address because no one in
these groups does.
Gandalf Grey
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > Of course, Martin. All of your mental problems are really me. We're
the
> > sick ones. You're the only one who's sane.
>
> Well, yes, I am quite sane. And I enjoy being sane.
Martin McPhillips wrote:
Gandalf Grey
Go after Martin or Sabotta, possibly Beck. They've stalked in the past and
I'm sure if properly motivated they'd be happy to oblige.
At least that's what they SAY. It's always hard to tell with these guys.
Their priorities are so turned around that skulking around in the dark,
sneaking and looking up phone numbers are considered proud accomplishments.
So I wouldn't put it passed any of them to cop to something like that just
for the circle-jerk adulation of their sycophants like Dana and John D.
By the way, where is John D? That little ebola virus was doing this sleazy
Martin McPhillips imitation on me and then he just popped like swamp bubble
and disappeared.
D.G. Porter
Well, I learned that in the "Bonanza 'Bible,'" the background for the
series (every series has a "Bible" for the writers to fall back on), it
was Little Joe who was the Longhorn serial rapist. He was "the cute
one," like Paul McCartney and Davey Jones, so naturally he had teh
hankering for beef... boy and girl cow too, any port in a storm.
"Michael Landon's hair looks swell, 'cause it's 'Christmas Time in
Hell'!"
I also heard Adam left the series because he was so upset about the
sexual abuse problem -- that Pa refused to molest him -- all the times
Pa C. went up to bed after getting drunk and not stopping in to schtupp
him. "Wasn't I good enough for you, Pa???" Adam wailed.
And then there was that classic and touchingconfrontation between Hoss
and Pa...
"Pa, all the men in town say I'm fat!"
"You're not fat, you're big-boned!"
"That's what I said!"
"How 'bout a nice 17-course beef sandwich dinner, with all the fixins'?"
Gandalf Grey
will be on the first Greyhound with a genuine Radio Shack spy periscope and
his own autographed copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
johnz~ <johns...@removethishome.net> wrote in message
news:johnsabotta-B54F...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
Gandalf Grey
D.G. Porter
johnz~ wrote:
>
> In article <3B2FB1...@pacbell.net>,
> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > johnz~ wrote:
> > >
> > > SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
> >
> > You are a mother-fucking asshole.
> > Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> > similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
> > Their sanity is not
> > in question.
> > I volunteer my time several hours a month (newsletter ed.) for a group
> > of people with these disabilties. It's bad enough that they can't see
> > or get around without a guide dog or a motorized device or a docent,
>
> ...they also have to put up with being "helped" by self-righteous creeps
> like you, Porter, vultures who prey on their misfortune
Because I, fortunately, am not blind or physically handicapped, and have
a computer, they ask me to help them with the newsletter. Their company
over lunch is excellent, unlike shit-fucks like you.
> for your own
> self-aggrandizing political and personal agenda.
Yeah, suuuuuure, my whole life revolves around "using" people afflicted
with handicaps so's I can feels goodsy about myself.
You little Nazi scum-sucking turd. Now I DO wish you lose your sight or
a leg or two...
D.G. Porter
>
> See? I told you, D.G. Now drop some personal information and Suicide John
> will be on the first Greyhound with a genuine Radio Shack spy periscope and
> his own autographed copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
Hey, he's got to EARN the right to be my stalker! Like Harold Gray
would opine in "Little Orphan Crackwhore," he doesn't have any RIGHT to
be my stalker, he has to EARN it! Nobody gets anything for free here!
He can find me, if he wants to, or anything else that he wants to. "And
so the use of dope, uh, sexual promiscuity, stealing, thieving, killing
... you ain't seen nothing yet!" (Oh wait, that's LAPD Chief Ed Davis
talkin'...)
So Sabottafuck, suuuuuure, my wife would loooooooove to be your special,
um, "friend" ... just be sure to show up an night, late, unannounced ...
got jest the thing here fer ya! Try the back door, or the bathroom
winder, make it even more special....
Dusty Rhodes
news:3B2F8816...@earthlink.net...
> SikofLibs wrote:
> >
> > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do
you
> > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn)
per
> > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
Guiness
> > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
the
> > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
day.
>
> If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
>
> This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
Actually, it indicates that you're too damn stupid to read a header.
Otherwise you'd know all of his posts come from the same Mindspring dial-up.
Cheers,
Dusty
Natty Bumppo
> SikofLibs wrote:
> >
> > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
> > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
> > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
> > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
> > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
>
> If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
>
> This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
The "break" is only so the custodian can sweep the floors in the
library where these losers post from.I think it's a group of people Al
Gore,Joe Lieberman,Tommy Daschle and lil' Davey Bonior.
Natty Bumppo
> King Pineapple wrote:
> >
> > Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B2F8816...@earthlink.net...
> > > SikofLibs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do
> you
> > > > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn)
> per
> > > > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
> Guiness
> > > > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
> the
> > > > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
> day.
> > >
> > > If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> > > that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> > > of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
> > >
> > > This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> > > conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
> >
> > double that. "HH", as in "Harry Hope".
> >
> > Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
> > to these parts.
>
> who lives in Manhattan (which is where I live as well)--I might have
> added an "s" to his last name. I'd have to check the exact spelling.
> He began posting back in '96 as WellWell and "hiriser," and when it
> was pointed out to him that the pre-packaged hit pieces he was posting
> on Lauch Fairclosh (a designated Clinton enemy at the time) might very
> well contain information gleaned from FBI files, he got spooked
> and had his *entire* record of posts deleted from dejanews aka deja.com.
>
> I get a strong feeling that Herbert is an old-time New York Commie,
> not just a run of the mill liberal. He's very disciplined, don't
> you think?
>
> Gandalf Grey is Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon. He's been
> mentally ill with depression for forty years, by his own admission,
> basically a re-enactment of an effort that began on or about
> January 1, 1996, when he went from having posted about 90 some
> times in all of 1995, to posting about 25-50 times a day. He
> claims to be a personal friend of Senator Ron Wyden's, which is
> probably one of the reasons he's trying to hide behind a pseudo
> this time around in addition to all the admissions that I found
> about his lifelong depression and suicidal impulses (I figured
> out that he was suicidal before I found him admitting it).
>
> Hanson is also into the occult, being a devotee of the Tarot
> and similar systems of divination. I didn't really understand
> Hanson the way I do now until I followed his posts in the
> tarot newsgroup. He acted out the same way there, as he had
> in the political groups in '96 and as he does here now--same
> endless hate, which he then projects onto anyone who challenges
> him. Seeing him act like that outside of the context of the
> contentious political groups, I amended my original "suicidal"
> determination (which he had confirmed in another newsgroup
> devoted to depression) to include borderline personality disorder,
> and he's never done a single thing to dissuade me from
> that opinion.
>
> Richard/Gandalf has always done something in a rather unique
> way. For him, "right wing" is a hate trigger phrase. Once he can
> append it to someone it sets off his fusillades of hate. That's
> something I pointed out to him in '96 (and why I gave him the
> name "Hater Hanson"), and partly the means by which I was able
> to recognize him after he returned in December as Gandalf (although
> I didn't recognize him for a couple of months, because I wasn't
> reading his posts--and I mostly do not read them now, who could?).
>
> And, I would be remiss if I failed to mention this, in '96 the
> pattern of Hanson's posts, the way they seemed to be meeting
> monthly quotas that would rise and fall rather symmetrically,
> the sheer volume, led to a general consensus that he was being
> paid for his work. But that question, as it is with Roselles
> (who I regard as a fourth generation copy of the original Hanson),
> presents something of a double-bind. Hanson would have to be
> crazy to post the way he did in '96 and now if he were not being
> paid for it, but then it is pretty clear that he is crazy--insofar
> as his admitted depression, suicidalness, and his apparent borderline
> personality disorder as evidenced by his ranting behavior sustains
> that conclusion.
>
> It's certainly not out of the question, of course, that he is both
> crazy and getting paid.
>
> Further, these tactics are a hallmark of the Left, and are identical
> to the disciplined obstructive behavior of Communist activists.
> A certain automatic pilot takes over on behalf of the cause. Note that
> just beneath the surface of all of Hanson's posts (and Erb's, for that
> matter) is an unrelenting anti-Americanism--not just dissent, but
> unending representation of everything Bush does as an offense to
> Europeans, or Russians, or Chinese--this is also typical Marxist/
> Communist behavior.
>
> Nowadays Hanson is calling himself a liberal, but he has also called
> himself a Progressive--a nice word for being a socialist or Marxist--and
> a "Communitarian." In his return last December he called for all
> "Progressives, socialists, Greens, liberals, etc." to unite in the Great
> Cause against the evil Bush. More typical Radical Leftist/Marxist/Communist
> behavior.
>
> Hanson is of course now denying he is Hanson, and if you really peer
> down into his whole mess, you can certainly understand why, and why
> that denial is par for the course.
Isn't Herbert Ruben's the little geek movie actor that got busted
for chokin' his chicken in a porno movie someplace in Florida a while
back?
Natty Bumppo
> King Pineapple <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:JbMX6.20179$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > Steven Litvintchouk <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B2F8816...@earthlink.net...
> > > SikofLibs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day
> do
> you
> > > > sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen
> porn)
> per
> > > > day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the
> Guiness
> > > > book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for
> the
> > > > most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one
> day.
> > >
> > > If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
> > > that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
> > > of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
> > >
> > > This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
> > > conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
> >
> > Note the initials. GG. Now look at the next letter in the alphabet and
> > double that. "HH", as in "Harry Hope".
>
> for Ford Fairlane. The possibilities for conspiracy loons such as the right
> wingers found here are "practically limitless."
>
> >
> > Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no
> stranger
> > to these parts.
>
> explaining his adroit handling of numbers and arguments.
> >
> >
WRONG!!!That friggin' loser "Nightstalker" is really Barney "donuts" Fife!!
Yez
>
> King Pineapple wrote:
> >
> >
> > Others here indicate that GG is actually one Rick Hanson, who is no stranger
> > to these parts.
>
> this Hanson guy?? I'll admit I must have come in after the game
> started, but what the fuck IS IT with your obsession with the guy???
> "Ooooooo!! It's Rick Hansen!!! Ooooooo!!!"
> The only Rick Hansen I know is an old guy in Fullerton who thought he
> could write songs...
A guy named Richard Hanson got my cherry in high school, we called him Dickie :o
'rena
Billy Beck
Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>And, I would be remiss if I failed to mention this, in '96 the
>pattern of Hanson's posts, the way they seemed to be meeting
>monthly quotas that would rise and fall rather symmetrically,
>the sheer volume, led to a general consensus that he was being
>paid for his work.
And he went out like a light the week after the election.
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/
Gandalf Grey
Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3b2fd9e7...@news.mindspring.com...
>
> Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >And, I would be remiss if I failed to mention this, in '96 the
> >pattern of Hanson's posts, the way they seemed to be meeting
> >monthly quotas that would rise and fall rather symmetrically,
> >the sheer volume, led to a general consensus that he was being
> >paid for his work.
>
> And he went out like a light the week after the election.
Wow. Maybe they forgot to change the poor schmuck's batteries.
Gandalf Grey
Yez <yez...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:3B2FCA41...@newsguy.com...
LOL!
There was never anyone after you, 'rena.
Billy Beck
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>johnz~ wrote:
>>
>> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
>
>You are a mother-fucking asshole.
>Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
>similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
Yeah, well, as long as your government is unilaterally
threatening me if I don't pay for it, I say they can all eat shit and
drop dead, and so can you, too.
And if you have a problem with my "violent tendencies", you
should stop and reflect on the fact that I didn't start this fight.
Your government did. If you want to live in a peaceful culture, the
very first move you need to make is to get behind putting these
monsters out of business, because it'll never stop, otherwise.
This really is a war, whether you like it or not.
Gandalf Grey
>
> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >johnz~ wrote:
> >>
> >> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
> >
> >You are a mother-fucking asshole.
> >Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> >similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
>
> Yeah, well, as long as your government is unilaterally
> threatening me if I don't pay for it, I say they can all eat shit and
> drop dead, and so can you, too.
But since Billy Beck is a lying governmental parasite who admittedly doesn't
pay taxes, his comments kind of come out sort of hypocritical and
superfluous-like.
Right, "Good Stick?" Or was that "Shit Stick?"
Billy Beck
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote...
>>
>> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >johnz~ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
>> >
>> >You are a mother-fucking asshole.
>> >Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
>> >similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
>>
>> Yeah, well, as long as your government is unilaterally
>> threatening me if I don't pay for it, I say they can all eat shit and
>> drop dead, and so can you, too.
>
>But since Billy Beck is a lying governmental parasite who admittedly doesn't
>pay taxes,...
But that's where the "threat" part comes from, !Dick.
Even you could figure that out, but you'd rather lie about it.
King Pineapple
news:981356c9.01061...@posting.google.com...
\> Isn't Herbert Ruben's the little geek movie actor that got busted
> for chokin' his chicken in a porno movie someplace in Florida a while
> back?
That's Paul Reubens (also known as Pee-Wee Herman).
Remember "Pee Wee's Playhouse" back in the late 1980's? He had a black
cowboy, Cowboy Curtis (played by a pre-pubescent Lawrence Fishburne), as
well as a weird sea captain, Captain Carl (played by the equally young Phil
Hartman).
BitHead
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>SikofLibs wrote:
>>
>> So tell me, Harry Hope...I mean... Gandalf Grey. How many hours a day do you
>> sit in front of your computer (not including downloading pre-teen porn) per
>> day? Is this your mission in life? To copy/paste your way into the Guiness
>> book of records or something? I'm sure you deserve a world record for the
>> most left-wing socialist liberal media posts on one newsgroup in one day.
>
>If you check the posting times of "Gandalf Grey" posts, you will see
>that "he" practically posts 24 hours a day (interrupted only by a break
>of a few hours). I don't think any one human being could do this.
Not one with a real job, anyway.
>
>This indicates that "Gandalf Grey" is actually a group of people
>conducting a 24-hour spam operation.
>
>
>--
>Steven D. Litvintchouk
>Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
>
>"I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in
>English class, but it all worked out OK. I'm gainfully employed."
> -- President George W. Bush
johnz~
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
> > See? I told you, D.G. Now drop some personal information and Suicide John
> > will be on the first Greyhound with a genuine Radio Shack spy periscope and
> > his own autographed copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
>
> Hey, he's got to EARN the right to be my stalker! Like Harold Gray
> would opine in "Little Orphan Crackwhore," he doesn't have any RIGHT to
> be my stalker, he has to EARN it! Nobody gets anything for free here!
> He can find me, if he wants to, or anything else that he wants to. "And
> so the use of dope, uh, sexual promiscuity, stealing, thieving, killing
> ... you ain't seen nothing yet!" (Oh wait, that's LAPD Chief Ed Davis
> talkin'...)
>
> So Sabottafuck, suuuuuure, my wife would loooooooove to be your special,
> um, "friend" ... just be sure to show up an night, late, unannounced ...
> got jest the thing here fer ya! Try the back door, or the bathroom
> winder, make it even more special....
Since your wife's "close friends" seem to have an unfortunate habit of
being blown up - like the unfortunate Mr. Odeh - it seems like a mixed
package, to say the least.
JS
And just to remind our audience of just what a anti-Semitic,
Nazi-cheerleading son-of-a-bitch David G. Porter really is...
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Steven Litvintchouk wrote:
>
> Alan McIntire wrote:
> >
> > So Germany is opposed to both Nuclear energy and fossil fuel energy.
> > They'd better hope there's a lot more global warming in the near
> > future, else they'll
> > wind up freezing to death in the dark.
>
> Or they can massacre people and burn their bodies for fuel, like they
> did to my ancestors back in the mid 1940's.
Mm, too bad they missed one in partickyoular...
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johnz~
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
(nothing at all)
Just to remind our audience of just what a anti-Semitic,
johnz~
Steven Litvintchouk
Billy Beck wrote:
>
> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >johnz~ wrote:
> >>
> >> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
> >
> >You are a mother-fucking asshole.
> >Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> >similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
My mom used to work as a service representative for the Social Security
Administration in New York City. She told me that many of the folks on
SSI were drug addicts who were able to manipulate the system to get
themselves listed as "disabled" and hence qualify for SSI.
Other SSI claimants of hers included sociopaths and schizophrenics who
always showed up at the SS office perpetually stoned on thorazine and
haloperidol and other neuroleptic drugs.
All in all, I got the impression that (in New York anyway), the majority
of SSI claimants were human trash, and all the Social Security staffers
were totally disgusted with them (although they kept their feelings to
themselves of course). Human trash that is unfit to hold down a job,
unfit to even care for themselves in society, able to survive only by
being swacked out on psychotherapeutic drugs. The truly physically
disabled that D.G. Porter speaks of, were only a minority of SSI
claimants.
Gandalf Grey
GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote in message
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> be done with the blind, people in wheelchairs or the severely
> retarded?
Yeah. I particularly like Steven's comments on schizophrenics. Considering
the fact that being "stoned" on neuroleptics is often the only way these
individuals can make it from one place to another, it's a particularly good
example of how Steven is the human trash in this instance.
Billy Beck
GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
>What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
>wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
will not be stopped.
You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
D.G. Porter
>
> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
>
> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
>
> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
> will not be stopped.
>
> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
Sorry, that's just the way it is. We decided that everyone is going to
pitch in to aid the disabled. Your individual contribution to this is
miniscule. Stop bitching and grow up, act like a man.
Rick Pasotto
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, D.G. Porter wrote:
> Billy Beck wrote:
> >
> > GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
> >
> > >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
> > >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
> >
> > In a free culture, if you want to do something about them,
> > you will not be stopped.
> >
> > You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
>
> Yes you can,
No you can't.
> and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
Try it.
> Sorry, that's just the way it is.
No it's not.
> We decided that everyone is going to pitch in to aid the disabled.
Who's "we"?
> Your individual contribution to this is miniscule.
Contributions are not forced.
> Stop bitching and grow up, act like a man.
Real men don't coerce other men.
--
If you wish to prosper, let your customer prosper. This is a
lesson it has taken you a very long time to learn.
When people have learned this lesson, everyone will seek his
individual welfare in the general welfare. Then jealousies between
man and man, city and city, province and province, nation and
nation, will no longer trouble the world.
-- Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
Rick Pasotto ri...@telocity.com http://www.niof.net
D.G. Porter
>
> Billy Beck wrote:
> >
> > "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >johnz~ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
> > >
> > >You are a mother-fucking asshole.
> > >Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> > >similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
>
> My mom used to work as a service representative for the Social Security
> Other SSI claimants of hers included sociopaths and schizophrenics who
> always showed up at the SS office perpetually stoned on thorazine and
> haloperidol and other neuroleptic drugs.
"Stoned"??? Jeez, you're ignorant.
I know a guy who has been on those for over a decade. He is not on SSI
but you can tell he's "on something" and it is how he can function. (At
least he CAN function -- his brother who does receive assisance is even
farther gone than he is and practically needs a "keeper.")
> All in all, I got the impression that (in New York anyway), the majority
> of SSI claimants were human trash, and all the Social Security staffers
> were totally disgusted with them (although they kept their feelings to
> themselves of course). Human trash that is unfit to hold down a job,
> unfit to even care for themselves in society, able to survive only by
> being swacked out on psychotherapeutic drugs. The truly physically
> disabled that D.G. Porter speaks of, were only a minority of SSI
> claimants.
They are the majority of the disabled on SSI that I personally know.
And your opinion on the truly mentall ill shows you to be a shallow,
sorry excuse for a human being. Just fuck off and die, and do it sooner
than later, for the good of the gene pool.
I know another peson with a lot of mental problems. She drives everyone
crazy. But she is truly "mental" and nothing can be done other than
medicate her.
What would you do, gas her in a concentration camp?
Gandalf Grey
worse than any of the so called social service cheats that he rants about.
Every word that comes out of his mouth is an attempt to justify his own
parasitism.
Don't confuse principles with attempts at personal excuse making.
Rick Pasotto <ri...@telocity.com> wrote in message
news:slrn9j1pd...@tc.niof.net...
Scott D. Erb
Gandalf Grey wrote:
> Of course there's a strong strong thread of McCarthyism that runs through
> this group. Everything from Steven Litvintchouk's charges of SEDITION and
> TREASON to worse. Martin, however, is really the mad word bomber of the
> group and his inability to deal with most posters without dragging in
> charges of mental illness is not only his signature problem but a habit >that has rubbed off on his cohorts.
In 1994 and 1995, in the throes of the Gingrich
revolution and the early days of the internet, the
shock value of that kind of approach was rather
effective. People like me who never encountered such
hostility didn't know how to respond, I got defensive,
tried hitting back and fighting fire with fire, and
couldn't believe how absolutely mean spirited some
could be. Others finally just decided to insult back,
with the two sides canceling out. Over time, that
shock value has diminished, and the flamers have
started to look more like a caricature than anything
really shocking or effective. Steven L.'s posts are
for the most part interesting, though I do remember
responding to his bizarre and dangerous charges of
sedition and treason. Martin has some good ideas, but
I don't know why he feels a need to go the insult route
in trying to talk them over. Is it a habit, or does he
just want to get under people's skin? Some, like Aaron
Kulkis, Rob Robertson, Wayne Mann, and Eagle Eye I've
just given up on. They have the hard core insults, but
lack the ability to actually debate and discuss that
Martin often exhibits.
> It wasn't that long ago that lengthy psuedo-reports by psychologists made
> the rounds of the internet purporting to back-analysize Bill Clinton as a
> social psychopath. Shortly after she was elected to the Senate, the same
> kind of 'reports' circulated on Hillary Clinton. I suspect it was from
> these pseudo-psychological propaganda works that Martin first got the idea
> of tarring his worst enemies with the stain of psychosis. Wherever he got
> the idea, it certainly gripped him firmly enough to leave Martin largely
> incapable of responding to posts without it.
That was how the Soviet Union dealt with dissidents
too.
> To the bigger and more ominous question of tainting in general, it's to be
> presumed that when one's opponents in the political realms fail in their
> arguments they will reach for other weapons. There's the old lawyer joke
> that goes: "if you can't argue the facts, argue the law. If you can't argue
> the law, argue the facts. If you can't argue the facts or the law, call the
> other lawyer names."
Yes, and that seems the case with a lot of people here.
> Here on thugnet, allegations, innuendo, argument and law all failed the
> right wing. Clinton got through two terms and was largely popular to the
> American People. Failing all of these, McCarthyism aimed at liberals and
> progressives was a predictable if deplorable outcome. When you add to that
> the fact that the oldest, tone-setting members of this group are a small
> band of horribly unhappy and angry social malcontents with a deep
> persecution complex, you get all the fixings for many happy hours of
> kangaroo courting and character assassination with a few choice physical
> threats thrown in just for spice.
A lot of physical threats seem designed to intimidate,
but still they are really pathetic and sick. But that
is one thing about the internet -- it lets one know
what kind of people are out there that one doesn't
usually get to interact with.
Gandalf Grey
D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3B30EE...@pacbell.net...
Steven is utter scum. I've been inclined at times to cut him some slack,
but that last remark about schizophrenia and human trash took the cake as
far as I'm concerned. That one remark generated anough negative karma to
keep him in the lower realms for the next forty kalpas. A just god would
strike the fucker with full-bore schizophrenia and then we'll see what his
attitude is toward medication.
Scott D. Erb
Martin McPhillips wrote:
> Please, Erb. I pay very close attention to what is going on
> and what people say and what they do. And everything I've
> ever said about you I absolutely believe to be true--and
> I don't think that there are too many people who don't
> call themselves Weasels who would disagree with me.
Actually, Martin, in the real world of friends,
colleagues, and family, I never encounter anything but
mutual respect, warmness, and trust. The fact is that
the insults you and the other flamemeisters post are
believed only by a small group of you who while you may
disagree amongst yourself, are united by a hatred for
all things "leftist." So forgive me, but if I have to
choose whether or not to take the irrelevant world of
internet flames seriously, or my day to day life with
colleagues, friends and family, I'll choose the latter
:)
Your problem, and the reason the flamemeisters have
lost relevance after an initial bout of influence from
the shock factor, is that you go too far. When a group
of people constantly insult others, it ends up hurting
the credibility more of the insulters (whether Left or
Right) than the person being insulted. I just don't
think some of you guys get that yet.
Lynette Warren
>> I suspect it was from these pseudo-psychological propaganda
>> works that Martin first got the idea of tarring his worst enemies
>> with the stain of psychosis.
>
Except that you're an apologist for government atrocities, not a
dissident.
I don't think you have a mental illness, even considering your foray
into thugnet as your alter ego, MH, last year about this time. It's
probably just because you suppress normal natural aggression and it
builds up making you harbor a vile resentment for those who you
consider freer and more honest than you. MH could have served as a vent
for that. It didn't work out because you and MH didn't cover your
tracks. It was child's play, really, to finger you as MH.
But that's hardly the stuff of mental illness, rather your MH episode
more defined a profound problem with honesty. Even faced with the
proof of your masquerade, you, to this day, won't admit it. That is
most telling, not so much of a mental illness because you're problem is
hardly that complex.
You can weasel. You can couch with faux circumspection. You can talk
in circles, but you've rarely demonstrated the ability tell the truth.
Lynette
Billy Beck
"D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Billy Beck wrote:
>>
>> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
>>
>> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
>> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
>>
>> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
>> will not be stopped.
>>
>> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
>
>Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
Try it, Porter, and I'll simply kill you.
Nobody should ever be in doubt about my "death threats".
I would not have things this way, and I didn't start this.
Billy Beck
"Scott D. Erb" <scot...@maine.edu> wrote:
>Your problem, and the reason the flamemeisters have
>lost relevance after an initial bout of influence from
>the shock factor, is that you go too far. When a group
>of people constantly insult others, it ends up hurting
>the credibility more of the insulters (whether Left or
>Right) than the person being insulted. I just don't
>think some of you guys get that yet.
Scotti, you will never be able to lie enough to make anyone else
"too far" about anything at all.
Billy Beck
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>Rick Pasotto <ri...@telocity.com> wrote...
>> D.G. Porter wrote:
>> > Billy Beck wrote:
>> > >
>> > > GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
>> > > >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
>> > >
>> > > In a free culture, if you want to do something about them,
>> > > you will not be stopped.
>> > >
>> > > You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
>> >
>> > Yes you can,
>>
>> No you can't.
>>
>> > and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
>>
>> Try it.
>>
>> > Sorry, that's just the way it is.
>>
>> No it's not.
>>
>> > We decided that everyone is going to pitch in to aid the disabled.
>>
>> Who's "we"?
>>
>> > Your individual contribution to this is miniscule.
>>
>> Contributions are not forced.
>>
>> > Stop bitching and grow up, act like a man.
>>
>> Real men don't coerce other men.
>The whole points, moot. Beck doesn't pay taxes. He's a social parasite far
>worse than any of the so called social service cheats that he rants about.
...because I won't agree to your unilateral threats, *I'm* the
"social parasite". I'm the one whose property is threatened with
this, and I'm the "social parasite" when I refuse to give it up to
your demands.
>Every word that comes out of his mouth is an attempt to justify his own
>parasitism.
That's not true, Hanson. The truth is exactly opposite of what
you say. What is true is that my life, and everything that I produce
with it, is mine, and you cannot have it without my permission.
>Don't confuse principles with attempts at personal excuse making.
The principle is private property, resting ultimately on the fact
of my exclusive right to my life.
Gandalf Grey
What property, shitstick? My guess is you don't pay property tax either.
The only thing threatening you is wasting the mortgage payments on drugs.
Taxes may 'threaten' the property of others, but not a social liver fluke
like you. You don't work to change what you don't believe in, you just
skulk off and hide from what everyone else has to face up to.
>
> >Every word that comes out of his mouth is an attempt to justify his own
> >parasitism.
>
> That's not true, Hanson. The truth is exactly opposite of what
> you say. What is true is that my life, and everything that I produce
> with it, is mine, and you cannot have it without my permission.
Sell it to the government, you yellow rat-bastard. Don't come around here
trying to sell anyone on your principles. The only principle you live by is
run and hide while the rest of the country is either facing up to its
obligations or trying to change the law. But that's not Beck. No. He runs
off and parks his yellow ass in a cockpit and thinks about what a 'good
stick' he is and what a first rate thinker he is. I got news for you, Beck.
You're a first rate punk coward.
Parasites like you are the scum of society, Beck, and every last one of you
has got some personal sob sister story to justify the fact that they don't
have the balls to try to change the law or take the consequences. When I
think of all the posts in those archives with you ranting about how Clinton
was a criminal I could YAK! If there was a God, he'd have offed your skunk
ass when you quoted Solzhenitsyn.
Christ, you disgust me!!
Gandalf Grey
>
> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Billy Beck wrote:
> >>
> >> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
> >> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
> >>
> >> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
> >> will not be stopped.
> >>
> >> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
> >
> >Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
>
> Try it, Porter, and I'll simply kill you.
More of Beck's 'First Rate Thoughts."
>
>
> Nobody should ever be in doubt about my "death threats".
What no one's in doubt about is the fact that you're a societal liver fluke
with a yellow streak a mile long.
D.G. Porter
Beck, you and your death threats are going to look awful funny when a
mob of well-armed professionals storms your little barricado and snuffs
you out like a skunk who has lost his sense of self-control...
The die is cast -- the disabled are going to receive assistance and you
will contribute to it like everyone else, like any MAN would stand up
and do, whether or not your like it. HA HA HA.
Billy Beck
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote...
>> >Rick Pasotto <ri...@telocity.com> wrote...
This is a handy example of why it was perfectly ridiculous for
you to refer to "concepts" last night, Flackson.
If we're even only talking about the last dime in my pocket, or a
pencil on my desk, it's *mine*, and all the principles apply.
But anything like a "principle" is something that you simply
cannot bear to address, which is exactly how you scrape up the nerve
to come around here moaning about "social parasites" not coughing up
what your government demands by force and its immediate threat.
>You don't work to change what you don't believe in, you just
>skulk off and hide from what everyone else has to face up to.
How others deal with this problem is something for them to
decide. I'm not here to save the world, or come up with plans for
other peoples' lives. I leave that sort of thing to socialists. And
I am not here to supplicate government any more than it is here to
supplicate *me*. Of course, I will not vote, for the same reason why
I would never vote on, for instance, a question of whether of not to
gas Jews: the question is closed -- beyond the opinion of any
majority, as an authentic matter of principle -- and so is the matter
of private property. Now, all of this is available to reason.
However, being *true*, it is not available to "negotiation" or any of
the rest of it. The only alternative to reason will be *force*
(something your government knows all about), which is exactly the
alternative that I always present to creeps like you, Roselles, and
Porter, but which none of you have to ordinary spine to take up.
And I haven't "skulk[ed] off [to] hide", Flackson. Anybody and
evereybody can know who and where I am, which is a lot more than
anyone can say about *you* and about half the screeching assholes who
pitched a fit when I let 'em know where that shit-filled rat is, in
South Dakota.
>> >Every word that comes out of his mouth is an attempt to justify his own
>> >parasitism.
>>
>> That's not true, Hanson. The truth is exactly opposite of what
>> you say. What is true is that my life, and everything that I produce
>> with it, is mine, and you cannot have it without my permission.
>
>Sell it to the government, you yellow rat-bastard.
They're no more interested in it than you are. I know because I
told 'em so, and they still want over a hundred thousand dollars from
me.
I will say this about 'em: you and Porter are getting ripped-off
on your tax money: these bitches can't seem to make good on their
threats to put me in prison.
>Don't come around here trying to sell anyone on your principles.
Like private property, for example.
Billy Beck
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote...
>>
>> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Billy Beck wrote:
>> >>
>> >> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
>> >> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
>> >>
>> >> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
>> >> will not be stopped.
>> >>
>> >> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
>> >
>> >Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
>>
>> Try it, Porter, and I'll simply kill you.
>
>More of Beck's 'First Rate Thoughts."
That's exactly correct, Flackson. Look around you: you never see
anyone addressing this matter in the straight-up no-dancing way that I
do.
Martin McPhillips
>
> Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > Please, Erb. I pay very close attention to what is going on
> > and what people say and what they do. And everything I've
> > ever said about you I absolutely believe to be true--and
> > I don't think that there are too many people who don't
> > call themselves Weasels who would disagree with me.
>
> Actually, Martin, in the real world of friends,
> colleagues, and family, I never encounter anything but
> mutual respect, warmness, and trust.
Then they've never met the real you, I would assume.
> The fact is that
> the insults you and the other flamemeisters post are
> believed only by a small group of you who while you may
> disagree amongst yourself, are united by a hatred for
> all things "leftist."
Oh, gosh, you know, I can set my watch by the progress of
your discussions about issues with people. It's the same
thing over and over again, and when you hit bottom, you
push the reset button and pop right back up, like nothing
happened. You raise the question, implicitly, do I hate
the Left? I would say that I hate the deception, the constant
lying. Like the story told by Ronald Radosh about his visit
to Cuba with a group of fellow Leftists, when they were
given a tour of one of Fidel's gleaming psychiatric hospitals
and met all these lobotomized patients. He and one other
in the group of 15 were appalled, but one woman in the
group (someone well known on the Left, but whose name
I can't recall) turned and said to them, "But you must
understand, Socialist lobotomies are different from
capitalist lobotomies." When they got back and Radosh
wrote an article describing what he saw, he was shunned
by his friends on the Left--for all the usual reasons--
including all of the people on the trip who saw what
he saw, including the other person who was appalled
at the time.
So, I understand your fear, Scott, when it came to the
Clintons, and many of the matters surrounding them. I think
you know very well what actual criminals they are.
Steven Litvintchouk
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:30:00 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >johnz~ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> SSI. (or, to use the vulgar phrase, "crazy money")
> >> >
> >> >You are a mother-fucking asshole.
> >> >Do you know anyone who is blind, in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy, or
> >> >similarly disabled? Those are the people on SSI.
> >
> >My mom used to work as a service representative for the Social Security
> >Administration in New York City. She told me that many of the folks on
> >SSI were drug addicts who were able to manipulate the system to get
> >themselves listed as "disabled" and hence qualify for SSI.
> >
> >Other SSI claimants of hers included sociopaths and schizophrenics who
> >always showed up at the SS office perpetually stoned on thorazine and
> >haloperidol and other neuroleptic drugs.
> >
> >All in all, I got the impression that (in New York anyway), the majority
> >of SSI claimants were human trash, and all the Social Security staffers
> >were totally disgusted with them (although they kept their feelings to
> >themselves of course). Human trash that is unfit to hold down a job,
> >unfit to even care for themselves in society, able to survive only by
> >being swacked out on psychotherapeutic drugs. The truly physically
> >disabled that D.G. Porter speaks of, were only a minority of SSI
> >claimants.
>
> be done with the blind, people in wheelchairs or the severely
> retarded?
Well, I believe that people who are truly physically disabled thru no
fault of their own are deserving of assistance.
But SSI, like just about every other social-welfare program, is shot
thru with abuse and outright fraud.
Because the guidelines are drawn so broadly that it's fairly simple to
get yourself listed as "disabled" if you find a sympathetic (or corrupt)
psychiatric social worker willing to do it.
The problem we've always faced, is that the politicians advocating these
programs--and the bureaucrats who then administer them--wrap themselves
in a cloak of "compassion" which makes it nearly impossible to screen
out this waste, fraud and abuse. If you start questioning whether
ANYONE can be considered unqualified, you are labeled as "uncaring,
mean, vicious, etc." So these programs easily devolve into a gravy
train for the corrupt.
Steven Litvintchouk
Billy Beck wrote:
>
> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Billy Beck wrote:
> >>
> >> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
> >> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
> >>
> >> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them, you
> >> will not be stopped.
> >>
> >> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
> >
> >Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
>
> Try it, Porter, and I'll simply kill you.
I don't think that will be necessary.
D.G. Porter is a constant source of proof that socialism cannot work
without brute force. You and I knew that, but that wasn't so clear 100
years ago.
And that is a major sea-change from the New Deal days of the 1930's,
when liberals hoped for DEMOCRATIC assent to social and economic
planning. Now that they have resorted to force (forced busing,
affirmative action, and D.G. Porter's embrace of soviet-style
brutality), they have largely discredited themselves.
"Enforced humanitarianism. Enforced compassion." What a concept.
D.G. Porter
>
> and D.G. Porter's embrace of soviet-style
> brutality),
R E A L L Y . . . ?
BTW, Steve, you missed some right-wing cum in the corner of your
mouth...
Gandalf Grey
Shut the fuck up, parasite.
Kurt Nicklas
Davie, you still using that Stalin statue as a dildo?
For shame!
<snicker>
--
Kurt Nicklas
Weasel Quotes:
'Strange fucking morals you got. Your parents disgraced
themselves by not strangling you.'
-- Bryan Z. Jamieson(ze...@snowcrest.net)
Who gives a shit what these nuts like or don't like.
Koresh them all.
--Gary Roselles(rose...@idt.net)
Face it, I know this stuff better than you. You just can't
stand that, can you?
--Scott Erb(scot...@maine.maine.edu)
http://home.sprynet.com/~tiberias/leftwinghate.htm
D.G. Porter
You know, one of the "screens" is the requirement that every disabled
person be re-evaluated no matter how permanent their disability is.
"Mr. Rose, are you still blind?" "Yes, I am." "Would you like to see
an Opthamologist?" "Heck, I'd like to see anything!!" (REAL
EXCHANGE!! REALLY TOOK PLACE!!! Rose is permanently blind.)
"Mr. Neal, are you still missing your right arm?" "Yes." (He doesn't
expect it to grow back.)
Jeez Louise, is this stupid or what?? I can see re-evaluation for some,
but for everyone?? What a waste oftime!!
Gandalf Grey
>
> "Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote...
> >>
> >> "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Billy Beck wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> GS Glendenny <pi...@microsof.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >What do you think should be done with the blind, people in
> >> >> >wheelchairs or the severely retarded?
> >> >>
> >> >> In a free culture, if you want to do something about them,
you
> >> >> will not be stopped.
> >> >>
> >> >> You cannot, with moral probity, force others to assist you.
> >> >
> >> >Yes you can, and I guess with ass-holios like you, we will have to.
> >>
> >> Try it, Porter, and I'll simply kill you.
> >
> >More of Beck's 'First Rate Thoughts."
>
> That's exactly correct, Flackson.
No, it's not, parasite. You're a coward AND a moron and you pull those two
blankets more tightly around you with every word you type.
Kurt Nicklas
>Shut the fuck up, parasite.
Calm down, Dicky.
Must be in one of your manic phases.....