Murder of Dr. Daniel Jordan in 1982
BelindaCarlyle
murder of Dr. Jordan. He was such a great Baha'i speaker back in
Southern California in 1981-1982.
Susan Maneck- Alivine and others: Are you sure of his double life
dealings? Was Dr. Jordan involved with the underworld of illegal drug
trafficking? If so, why didn't the National Spiritual Assembly of USA
ever ask him to step down from his membership at the US NSA level?
Is the information available to us regarding the murder? If so, where
can I find it? I feel really cheated if in fact Dr. jordan was
involved in drug deals while preaching the Baha'i Faith to all the
seekers.
With Baha'i loving greetings
BelindaCarlyle
Susan Maneck
>murder of Dr. Jordan. He was such a great Baha'i speaker back in
>Southern California in 1981-1982.
>Susan Maneck- Alivine and others: Are you sure of his double life
>dealings? Was Dr. Jordan involved with the underworld of illegal drug
>trafficking?
Dear Belinda,
As far as I know Dan Jordan was not involved in any drug trafficiking
operation, nor is that what got him killed. He was not killed by Muslim
extermist, either. I think the reason this latter rumor got started is because
of the manner in which Dan Jordan's throat was slit. It fits the profile for
every dastardly Arab assasin that ever appeared in an Israeli spy novel.
However, I won't discuss what I do know aobut the circumstances surrounding his
murder in a public forum.
> I feel really cheated if in fact Dr. jordan was
>involved in drug deals while preaching the Baha'i Faith to all the
>seekers.
I don't think you need to worry about that. Dan Jordan was human and he had his
problems, but as far as I know, drug trafficking wasn't one of them.
warmest, Susan
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
Baha'i Studies is available through the following:
http://list.jccc.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=bahai-st
Paul Hammond
> >I feel so sad for the unresolved
> >murder of Dr. Jordan. He was such a great Baha'i speaker back in
> >Southern California in 1981-1982.
> >Susan Maneck- Alivine and others: Are you sure of his double life
> >dealings? Was Dr. Jordan involved with the underworld of illegal drug
> >trafficking?
>
> Dear Belinda,
>
Dear Susan,
I hope you noticed that Tad was posting under this handle in
another thread?
Seems he finally managed to fix his caps lock key!
Paul
Susan Maneck
>Seems he finally managed to fix his caps lock key!
>
Dear Paul,
No, I read that letter but missed Belinda's name entirely since it was so
obviously Henry's style. The questions Belinda was raising in this post seemed
so intelligent and reasonable I never in my wildest imagination would have
thought of it as coming from Henry.
A pity he can't use such skills when he isn't hiding behind another persona. It
might actually make him someone worth talking to.
Mr. Bad Judgement
BelindaCarlyle wrote:
> I am fascinated with Alivine's info.
Yes, it is like reading Tolkien, or some other fantasy.
> I feel so sad for the unresolved
> murder of Dr. Jordan. He was such a great Baha'i speaker back in
> Southern California in 1981-1982.
> Susan Maneck- Alivine and others: Are you sure of his double life
> dealings? Was Dr. Jordan involved with the underworld of illegal drug
> trafficking?
Lately, it has become fashionable to cast aspersions on deceased
Baha'is, w/ no evidence. Is there any evidence that he had been
associated with drug traficking?
> (snip)
- Mr. Bad
Freethought110
then went solo?
Nima
rn199...@yahoo.com (BelindaCarlyle) wrote in message news:<3f077792.0403...@posting.google.com>...
Rod
Mr. Bad Judgement <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
news:c2fbga$1rjva2$1...@ID-75487.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Lately, it has become fashionable to cast aspersions on deceased
> Baha'is, w/ no evidence.
Yea....It took you dickheads a while to work out that the live ones
fight back.
alivine
And I love her curiosity of the Beha'i evil machinery. She thinks that
Susan Maneck- Paul- Koss kesh Kohli -- are out to get her now. Well, I
wish she had used her own laptop at her parents' instead of mine.
Hey Nima, do you recall the evidences regarding the "double " life
that Dr. Jordan lead? My reliable sources (close to the infallible
members of Universal House of Justice) did confide about Dr. Jordan's
double dealings. Thus he was not just murdered during the act of
robbery but rather to settle scores regarding some FAILED DRUG deals.
ANOTHER example IS Hand of the Cause Olinga who was murdered in
Uganda. I was quite baffled by his murder until I was able to uncover
the SAD truth. Mr. Olinga was about to divorce his wife- who hired a
hit man, and gunned him down.
The history of the Beha'i Cult is rife with lies-cover up-violence.
Belinda is now concerned for my safety- since she learned of the
murder of AZALIS in Palestine by the family of Baha'u'llah.
If the Baha'i prophet could murder his own family, then Paul- Koss
Kesh kohli- and maneck would not be far behind in terms of WILLINGLY
harming others.
Dr. Browne wrote in his book regarding the murder of the Azalis.
Baha'is told him in words that " the killings were necessary as is an
amputation of a gangrenous leg". Thereby, those Baha'i murderers could
justify openly the killings of innocent Azalis.
Hope the Fast is going well for you.
Take care.
A>E>
Sfreeth...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.04030...@posting.google.com>...
Susan Maneck
>robbery but rather to settle scores regarding some FAILED DRUG deals.
>
If they had that kind of information they would have had enough to arrest the
suspect. They didn't. This had nothing to do with drugs. Most of the dissidents
know the circumstances behind Dan Jordan's murder and they are not saying.
Clearly, *you* do not know.
>I was quite baffled by his murder until I was able to uncover
>the SAD truth. Mr. Olinga was about to divorce his wife- who hired a
>hit man, and gunned him down.
Try again. Enoch Olina was murdered *along* with his wife and children. He was
a victim of the attacks on numerous members of the Ugandan upper and middle
classes which occured in the chaos following the fall of the regime.
Just can't get anything right, can you?
>Belinda is now concerned for my safety- since she learned of the
>murder of AZALIS in Palestine by the family of Baha'u'llah.
Oh my, here we go again. In the first place, none of the members of
Baha'u'llah's family were involved in those murders. Second, Belinda was here
earlier posing as a Baha'i. Third do you really expect us to believe that if
she was an Azali she would not know about this incident?
>If the Baha'i prophet could murder his own family,
Uh, what member of His family is He supposed to have murdered? Azal outlived
Him by quite a few years.
>Dr. Browne wrote in his book regarding the murder of the Azalis.
>Baha'is told him in words that " the killings were necessary as is an
>amputation of a gangrenous leg".
Garbeled it again! The phrase referring to the amputation of a gangerous leg is
taken from a conversation recorded in Year Amongs the Persians. It was in
reference to Muhammad having executed some of His enemies and had nothing to do
with the assasination of the Azalis. Indeed, the Baha'i in question went on to
say that such things were prohibited in this Day. He was simply not willing to
judge Muhammad by today's standards.
Paul Hammond
> Yes- yes.
>
> And I love her curiosity of the Beha'i evil machinery. She thinks that
> Susan Maneck- Paul- Koss kesh Kohli -- are out to get her now. Well, I
> wish she had used her own laptop at her parents' instead of mine.
The problem is that you posted under her ID, not that she
posted under yours.
Whether you are two people, or just one, the fact that a
Miss Carlisle posts that she finds your messages "interesting"
seems a little fishy when it turns out that you two are
somehow intimately related in real life - such that you
would even post from each other's email accounts.
She is certainly more interesting than you. Can you
go away while we talk to her please?
Paul
Mr. Bad Judgement
alivine wrote:
> Yes- yes.
>
No? No? If you are saying that BelindaCarlyle who recently posted
here, was once lead singer of the Go-Gos, then there are three possible
explanations. First, though, you need to understand that the lead
singer of the "Go Gos" was Belinda Carlisle. Note the spelling of the
last name, "Carlisle". Here is a link to a fan club, or some such
related thing:
http://www.belinda-carlisle.com/
For BelindaCarlyle to be Belinda Carlisle, she might have eloped with a
fellow with the family name "Carlyle" and spared the fans the confusion.
Another expanation is that she just can't spell her own name
properly. Yet another explanation, far more likely, is that, once again,
you are patently wrong.
> (some recent boo boos snipped)
- Mr. Bad
Freethought110
You are a gem amongst men! May the Lord Yehoshua Meschiach (Jesus
Christ) bless you and always look over you.
The Fast is going great :) Thanks for asking.
Nima
avicenn...@yahoo.com (alivine) wrote in message news:<77dd8f00.04030...@posting.google.com>...
Susan Maneck
>She is certainly more interesting than you. Can you
>go away while we talk to her please?
Indeed. And in the absence of further evidence all ignore the fact that Tad
claims she is an Azali.
I don't think there are any Azalis named Belinda anyhow.
Steve Marshall
>ANOTHER example IS Hand of the Cause Olinga who was murdered in
>Uganda. I was quite baffled by his murder until I was able to uncover
>the SAD truth. Mr. Olinga was about to divorce his wife- who hired a
>hit man, and gunned him down.
And she had Elizabeth, Tahirih, Lennie and Badí gunned down as well
because she was tired of being their mother?
ka kite
Steve
Steve Marshall
death:
Check out the assertions made in the footnotes.
http://www.bci.org/reno/olinga.htm
The page is part of the "official website of the Bahá'í Faith, Reno,
Nevada, sponsored by the Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Reno,
Nevada."
The site is hosted by BCI. BCI is sponsored by the Spiritual Assembly
of the Bahá'ís of Danville, California, and is managed through a
Steering Committee appointed by the Spiritual Assembly.
ka kite
Steve
alivine
I need to provide further info. Enoch Olinga was married to his second
wife when he was murdered by HIS FIRST WIFE.
This is why the entire family of his second wife was murdered.
Hope this clarifies your question.
By the way, I was fascinated to read how the Baha'is mistreated you
after the removal of your wife's Baha'i membership.
I do not see how the Baha'i machinery has any real JUSTICE in its
veins.
Mate,
A>E>
Steve Marshall <asm...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<jsdq409jbb4ncupke...@4ax.com>...
alivine
It is true that Enoch Olinga was gunned down by several soldiers-
along with his second wife and their children.
Later, evidence surfaced that his FIRST WIFE had hired gunmen to muder
her ex-husband Olinga.
A>E>
Steve Marshall <asm...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<t0gq40hq6bfqak1gf...@4ax.com>...
Susan Maneck
>her ex-husband Olinga.
Present your evidence Tad. Did you hear it from Cal's pixies?
Susan Maneck
>wife when he was murdered by HIS FIRST WIFE.
That is certainly not what you said the first time, Tad. You said she killed
Enoch Olinga because he was going to divorce him. Killing him years, presumably
decades down the road simply doesn't make any sense.
>I do not see how the Baha'i machinery has any real JUSTICE in its
>veins.
The real question is, is there any truth in your veins?
Paul Hammond
> >
> >She is certainly more interesting than you. Can you
> >go away while we talk to her please?
>
> Indeed. And in the absence of further evidence all ignore the fact that Tad
> claims she is an Azali.
>
Did he actually claim this? I couldn't get anything that
clear out of it, apart from his claim that this Belinda
Carlyle is actually the famous singer, Belinda Carlisle
(I think we'd have known if she was Azali, or Baha'i),
and also his attempt to claim that she was round his house
using his computer (even the excuses get it the wrong
way around - he must have been at her place using her
computer - but apparently, all the messages from both
handles are coming from the *same* computer)
> I don't think there are any Azalis named Belinda anyhow.
>
At the moment, we are not even sure that there is a
seperate person named Belinda!
Paul
Cal E. Rollins
Cal doesn't have pixies. I just have the same gossip and rumor-mongers
as you've got in your ABM informant. Why have pixies when you can get
your info from the horses' mouths directly from the Caramel Mountain?
--Cal
Cal E. Rollins
I thought we heard years ago that Mr. Olinga and his family were chopped
up by machete-carrying Africans. Now they're saying he was shot by his
wife? Where's the truth? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Thanks for that interesting footnote on Mr. Olinga. Did he have two
wives as per the Aqdas, Muslim, or tribal custom? --Cal
Susan Maneck
>wives as per the Aqdas, Muslim, or tribal custom? --Cal
He had two wives American style, consequetively, not concurrently.
Susan Maneck
>> claims she is an Azali.
>>
>
>Did he actually claim this?
Dear Paul,
I think that is what he said.
> I couldn't get anything that
>clear out of it, apart from his claim that this Belinda
>Carlyle is actually the famous singer, Belinda Carlisle
I don't think he had the foggiest idea who she was.
>(I think we'd have known if she was Azali, or Baha'i),
She was pretending to be Baha'i, but then Tad said she was an Azali who we
might kill. >and also his attempt to claim that she was round his house
>using his computer (even the excuses get it the wrong
>way around - he must have been at her place using her
>computer
Yeah, he has real problems keeping his story straight. He attempts afterwards
to cover his steps are even more pathetic, like trying to get around the fact
he claimed that Enoch Olinga wife killed him because he was going to get a
divorce, then changing the story when it became evident the wife and kids were
themselves shot!
>At the moment, we are not even sure that there is a
>seperate person named Belinda!
Oh, I'm sure there isn't. But still, Tad's imaginary friend is nicer than Tad,
so let's pretend she's there.
warmest, Susan
Susan Maneck
>Cal doesn't have pixies. I just have the same gossip and rumor-mongers
>as you've got in your ABM informant.
Ah, see. You do have pixies because I haven't got an ABM informant. Why would I
bother with ABMs?
>Why have pixies when you can get
>your info from the horses' mouths directly from the Caramel Mountain?
Because it gets stuck in your teeth?
Susan Maneck
>up by machete-carrying Africans.
I never heard of any machetes being involved.
Steve Marshall
>It is true that Enoch Olinga was gunned down by several soldiers-
>along with his second wife and their children.
Some of their children. Grace, for example, lives here in Dunedin, NZ.
>Later, evidence surfaced that his FIRST WIFE had hired gunmen to muder
>her ex-husband Olinga.
Ah yes, the old "evidence surfaced". We're waiting...
ka kite
Steve
Steve Marshall
wrote:
>KA KITE Steve:
>I need to provide further info. Enoch Olinga was married to his second
>wife when he was murdered by HIS FIRST WIFE.
He was married to both wives concurrently for a while, but he was
killed about 16 years after he was divorced from wife no 1.
Waiting for that newly-surfaced evidence....
Mr. Bad Judgement
Paul Hammond wrote:
> sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20040308204650...@mb-m16.aol.com>...
>
>>>She is certainly more interesting than you. Can you
>>>go away while we talk to her please?
>>
>>Indeed. And in the absence of further evidence all ignore the fact that Tad
>>claims she is an Azali.
>>
>
>
> Did he actually claim this?
I thought AE said that BC was the Azali, which they normally do not
claim to be, and that AE was a Christian. I think "Azali" is a Baha'i term.
> I couldn't get anything that
> clear out of it, apart from his claim that this Belinda
> Carlyle is actually the famous singer, Belinda Carlisle
> (I think we'd have known if she was Azali, or Baha'i),
> and also his attempt to claim that she was round his house
> using his computer (even the excuses get it the wrong
> way around - he must have been at her place using her
> computer - but apparently, all the messages from both
> handles are coming from the *same* computer)
>
>
>>I don't think there are any Azalis named Belinda anyhow.
>>
Maybe there are Babis, or Bayanis named "Belynda"; why not?
>
> At the moment, we are not even sure that there is a
> seperate person named Belinda!
>
- Mr. Bad
Cal E. Rollins
Haven't you been saying ABM Gadirian or whatever gives you insider
information? Why are so many people annoyed at you and use his (or her)
name in relationship to you? One poster here just did it today. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
American style? In America you can't have two wives. You've got to
divorce one to marry another one. Then the first one is not your wife
any longer. So Olinga divorced the first wife and married the second
one? So what's the problem? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Wrong. Susan said Olinga married his wives one after the other,
"American style." That means he divorced his first, then married
another woman. Right? Not that it matters, I guess, but to clear up
the confusion on what Baha'i Hands of the Cause can and cannot do....
--Cal
Susan Maneck
>He was married to both wives concurrently for a while
Oh, that I didn't know.
Susan Maneck
>Haven't you been saying ABM Gadirian or whatever gives you insider
>information?
LOL, first off Dr. Ghadirian is a Counsellor not an ABM. And it is other people
such as yourself who have been saying he gives me inside information.
>Why are so many people annoyed at you and use his (or her)
>name in relationship to you?
Why? Because more than anyone else it was Dr. Ghadirian who was responsible for
restoring my confidence in the Universal House of Justice and bringing me out
of the dissident camp. No one is going to forgive him for that.
Steve Marshall
>Thanks for that interesting footnote on Mr. Olinga. Did he have two
>wives as per the Aqdas, Muslim, or tribal custom? --Cal
And does having two wives automatically make you a slave, or, worse, a
slave-owner? :-)
The article http://www.bci.org/reno/olinga.htm strongly indicates he
had two wives concurrently, as allowed for culturally (and,
presumably, in civil law). It's not something I've asked Grace. I
don't even know which of Enoch's wives is Grace's natural mother.
But why not email the guy who wrote the article, N. Richard Francis -
ric...@fmexploration.reno.nv.us
He'll be fascinated to know about the "recently unearthed" new
evidence on the killings, I'm sure. :-)
ka kite
Seve
Steve Marshall
>directly from the Caramel Mountain?
Is that next door to the Big Rock Candy Mountain?
http://ingeb.org/songs/onasumme.html
...and close to Mount Arrowroot?
Sorry, I blame the Fast.
ka kite
Steve
Steve Marshall
>>I thought we heard years ago that Mr. Olinga and his family were chopped
>>up by machete-carrying Africans.
>
>I never heard of any machetes being involved.
True.
But Susan, you have to admit that there were a lot of Africans where
he lived, so that part of the assertion is tenable.
ka kite
Steve
Susan Maneck
>But Susan, you have to admit that there were a lot of Africans where
>he lived, so that part of the assertion is tenable.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Africans did it. ;-}
Susan Maneck
>The article http://www.bci.org/reno/olinga.htm strongly indicates he
>had two wives concurrently, as allowed for culturally (and,
>presumably, in civil law). It's not something I've asked Grace. I
>don't even know which of Enoch's wives is Grace's natural mother.
Dear Steve,
According to Baha'i law if he was married to these wives before he became a
Baha'i he was allowed to keep them, but he couldn't add any subsequently.
warmest, Susan
Freethought110
> alivine wrote:
> >ANOTHER example IS Hand of the Cause Olinga who was murdered in
> >Uganda. I was quite baffled by his murder until I was able to uncover
> >the SAD truth. Mr. Olinga was about to divorce his wife- who hired a
> >hit man, and gunned him down.
>
> And she had Elizabeth, Tahirih, Lennie and Badí gunned down as well
> because she was tired of being their mother?
Is that what they told you when they bumped off Hedi Ma'ani as well?
Maybe you were involved in that one yourself. How do we know? Perhaps
the Dunedin police ought to be contacted to question Steve Marshall
regarding information on the true culprits behind that man's murder.
Susan Maneck
>The article http://www.bci.org/reno/olinga.htm strongly indicates he
>had two wives concurrently, as allowed for culturally
I just reread that. It is worded pretty ambiquously. We might ask the author if
this is what he meant to say.
Baldrick
at sma...@aol.com wrote on 10/3/04 1:20 am:
>>
>> Haven't you been saying ABM Gadirian or whatever gives you insider
>> information?
>
> LOL, first off Dr. Ghadirian is a Counsellor not an ABM. And it is other
> people
> such as yourself who have been saying he gives me inside information.
>
>> Why are so many people annoyed at you and use his (or her)
>> name in relationship to you?
>
> Why? Because more than anyone else it was Dr. Ghadirian who was
> responsible for restoring my confidence in the Universal House of
> Justice and bringing me out of the dissident camp. No one is going to
> forgive him for that.
>
Susan, any chance of telling us why you became a dissident and how
long you were a dissident, and what did Dr. Ghadirian tell you that
you did not already know about the writings or the workings of the
Bahai Administration?
Baldrick
Steve Marshall
>Baha'i he was allowed to keep them, but he couldn't add any subsequently.
Sure thing. The same with people in a same-sex marriage who join up,
right?
Steve
(Who is having a Cal moment)
Steve Marshall
>Is that what they told you when they bumped off Hedi Ma'ani as well?
>Maybe you were involved in that one yourself. How do we know?
Indeed, how do we know?
You mean Hedi Moani, I assume. You gotta admit that it was pretty
clever of me to frame the guy who was staying at Hedi's place, then
persuade him to steal Hedi's car, drive down to Wanganui and later to
convince the mdical profession and judiciary that he was a nutter. Did
I mention the forensic evidence. Well... oh, sorry, I haven't got
time.
But it's nice that you think an effeminate little guy me could take
out big tough Hedi with a knife, after a hell of a struggle.
What was my motive for topping Hedi? He was a womaniser, but that
didn't bother me personally. I think he got in the NSA's face a bit
too, which is always good for a laugh. There was some irony in 'feet
of clay' Hedi being named a martyr, but he was a great teacher.
> Perhaps
>the Dunedin police ought to be contacted to question Steve Marshall
>regarding information on the true culprits behind that man's murder.
Yeah, you do that, Nima. :-)
cheers
Steve
Susan Maneck
>Sure thing. The same with people in a same-sex marriage who join up,
>right?
Sure, as long as they don't sleep together. ;-}
alivine
English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
source.
Eunica, first wife of Enoch Olinga was responsible for the killing of
her husband. The fact is well known amongst the "higher ranked"
Baha'is- such as Universal House Of Jusctice. Unfortunatly, Dr. Maneck
you do not belong to this higher Baha'i rank. Therefore, you would
not be privy to the murder info.
A>E>
sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20040309213546...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
alivine
Would you kindly inform the posters on TRB about Hedi Ma'ani.
I have very little information on this case.
Thanks, mate
A>E>
freetho...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.04030...@posting.google.com>...
Baldrick
avicenn...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/3/04 12:53 pm:
> Dr. Maneck, I am unable to find the word "ambiquously" in any legal
> English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
> source.
Interesting one never sees MoHamHead or KKKkohli ever picking on Dr
Maneck's typo's or spelling like they enjoy having a go at ole
Baldrick here.
Does any others smell the stench of BIGS hypocricy on this newsgroup?
Baldrick
Paul Hammond
> [I'll]>all ignore the fact that Tad
> >> claims she is an Azali.
> >>
> >
> >Did he actually claim this?
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> I think that is what he said.
>
> > I couldn't get anything that
> >clear out of it, apart from his claim that this Belinda
> >Carlyle is actually the famous singer, Belinda Carlisle
>
> I don't think he had the foggiest idea who she was.
>
> >(I think we'd have known if she was Azali, or Baha'i),
>
> She was pretending to be Baha'i, but then Tad said she was an Azali who we
> might kill. >and also his attempt to claim that she was round his house
>
I meant that the *world* would have known about it
if the real, the world famous Belinda Carlisle had
ever been a Baha'i.
We all knew about Kathy Freeman's faith when she carried
the torch at the Aussie Olympics, after all.
> >using his computer (even the excuses get it the wrong
> >way around - he must have been at her place using her
> >computer
>
> Yeah, he has real problems keeping his story straight.
As to the inconsistencies in Tad's stories, and now
Nima's attempts to smokescreen the idiot's mistakes -
nuff said, I think. Still, I have noticed that Tad
has been quiet today. Maybe he's going to start thinking
before he posts. Or maybe Nima is chewing him out
behind the scenes for being such a berk, not that
you'd be able to tell one berk from another in
Nima's New Model Army.
Paul
Paul Hammond
> >Enoch Olinga was married to his second
> >wife when he was murdered by HIS FIRST WIFE.
>
> Enoch Olinga because he was going to divorce him. Killing him years, presumably
> decades down the road simply doesn't make any sense.
>
Hey - maybe Tad is really another Star disguise?
This sounds a lot like "Baha'u'llah's first wife
committed suicide over the introduction of the
second wife", with the story then changing
rapidly after you introduce a few facts into the
discussion.
> >I do not see how the Baha'i machinery has any real JUSTICE in its
> >veins.
>
> The real question is, is there any truth in your veins?
>
Do we need to waste much time on that question? The answer
is a clear as the noonday sun, surely?
Paul
Cal E. Rollins
Not a Cal moment at all. You should be saying a Jim Hebegger moment. I
have no illusions that two same gender people in the Faith will ever get
married, even if every Nation in the world allows it. There are lots of
things etched in Baha'i stone, and that's one of quite a few. A Baha'i
same-gender couple could write in blood on the Aqdas and have computer
chips implanted in their genitals as monitors that they're not having
sex in their marriage, and it would make no difference. Sorry, you,
Jim, and Susan, you bleeding heart liberals you! --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
I don't care who killed Olinga. I just want to know if he was allowed
to marry two wives at one time or divorce one and marry the other while
he was a Baha'i. If he was, I'll cry "Foul!" ==
Cal E. Rollins
Are you going to stand or sit there and tell another bald-face lie about
not saying from time to time how that Councillor has told you this and
that? Anybody who has got the time and energy and interest in the
subject can just go back and document how many times you have referenced
your gossip about persons on this TRB as having come from your
Councillor informant and others in the Nest of the Prophets. You'd
think they'd be pissed at your cavalier attitude on Internet, but it
just goes to show.... (One thing it shows is how fickle, feckless, and
foolhardy the gods can be.) --Cal
Susan Maneck
>subject can just go back and document how many times you have referenced
>your gossip about persons on this TRB as having come from your
>Councillor informant
Well, Cal why don't you find the URLs to such comments so we can all see what a
liar I am supposed to be?
Susan Maneck
>you do not belong to this higher Baha'i rank. Therefore, you would
>not be privy to the murder info.
Last I checked neither were you. And ever story you have posted on this list
has either been an out and out lie or hopelessly garbled.
Susan Maneck
>have no illusions that two same gender people in the Faith will ever get
>married, even if every Nation in the world allows it.
That wasn't the question. The question was whether they could stay married if
they already were. And I happen to know of a case in LA where that happened.
The person who declared let the Assembly know of his living situation, that he
was married to this person, but they had been living chastely for a number of
years and intended to remain so. I don't think anyone ever questioned him on
this further.
Susan
Paul Hammond
Paul Hammond
> >
> >Sure thing. The same with people in a same-sex marriage who join up,
> >right?
>
> Sure, as long as they don't sleep together. ;-}
>
So, is there a rule about how a man with multiple wives
has to decide which one he's going to sleep with in
future, while remaining married to his other wives
without sleeping with them?
That's a little unfair on the other wives, isn't it?
Paul
Paul Hammond
> in article 77dd8f00.04031...@posting.google.com, alivine at
> avicenn...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/3/04 12:53 pm:
>
> > Dr. Maneck, I am unable to find the word "ambiquously" in any legal
> > English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
> > source.
>
> Interesting one never sees MoHamHead or KKKkohli ever picking on Dr
> Maneck's typo's or spelling like they enjoy having a go at ole
> Baldrick here.
You've clearly missed the times when I did do it, because
Susan laughs about it, and isn't insecure like you are.
> Does any others smell the stench of BIGS hypocricy on this newsgroup?
>
I've been telling you about Nima's hypocrisy for ages.
Your a fool, and worse. And I don't give a tinker's
cuss how old you are.
There's no excuse for your squirmy wormy behaviour.
Life's too short for spelling flames. Quit bitching
and grow up, old man.
Paul
Mr. Bad Judgement
Paul Hammond wrote:
> baldri...@yahoo.co.uk (Baldrick) wrote in message news:<9b91a665.04031...@posting.google.com>...
>
>>in article 77dd8f00.04031...@posting.google.com, alivine at
>>avicenn...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/3/04 12:53 pm:
>>
>>
>>>Dr. Maneck, I am unable to find the word "ambiquously" in any legal
>>>English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
>>>source.
>>
>>Interesting one never sees MoHamHead or KKKkohli ever picking on Dr
>>Maneck's typo's or spelling like they enjoy having a go at ole
>>Baldrick here.
>
>
> You've clearly missed the times when I did do it, because
> Susan laughs about it, and isn't insecure like you are.
>
And he's missed all the times that Susan has shotgunned Dermod for has
baseless pub talk about tactics and armaments, and then accused him of
plagiarising, and then beaten the guy w/ "Magennis VC", while intoning
"welfare sponge!".
George, people laugh at your spellings because you hold up your writing
skills as proof of your analytic abilities, or something.
>
>> Does any others smell the stench of BIGS hypocricy on this newsgroup?
Crikey, George, after more than a year, your smell has 'seasoned' past
'BIGS hypocricy'.
(snip)
- Mr. Bad
Paul Hammond
Should we fire up the old conspiracy generator again?
"The UFO sitings over Dunedin are actually mass hallucinations
engineered by Steve Marshall to make Hedi Moani and other enemies of
Susan Maneck think they are not alone. In the ensuing paranoia, Steve
Marshall and Susan Maneck plan to undermine the new world order. If
you see UFOs, close your eyes - it's all a trick. Meanwhile, a special
task force led by Nima "Azali" Hazini is being set up to tackle the
problem. "
Mr. Bad Judgement
Paul Hammond wrote:
> Steve Marshall <asm...@es.co.nz> wrote in message news:<99rt401mfsr60gsu3...@4ax.com>...
>
>>Freethought110 wrote:
>>
>>>Is that what they told you when they bumped off Hedi Ma'ani as well?
>>>Maybe you were involved in that one yourself. How do we know?
>>
>>Indeed, how do we know?
>>
(snip)
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps
>>>the Dunedin police ought to be contacted to question Steve Marshall
>>>regarding information on the true culprits behind that man's murder.
What I'm wondering is a) where are the demands that Steve put up his
financial statement, and b) where is the deadline for compliance?
What's the point in a hollow threat if there's no demand to it?
>>Yeah, you do that, Nima. :-)
>>
>
>
> Should we fire up the old conspiracy generator again?
>
> "The UFO sitings over Dunedin are actually mass hallucinations
> engineered by Steve Marshall to make Hedi Moani and other enemies of
> Susan Maneck think they are not alone. In the ensuing paranoia, Steve
> Marshall and Susan Maneck plan to undermine the new world order. If
> you see UFOs, close your eyes - it's all a trick. Meanwhile, a special
> task force led by Nima "Azali" Hazini is being set up to tackle the
> problem. "
>
> http://www.alchemica.co.uk/conspire/truth.cgi
Always appropriate!
- Mr. Bad
Baldrick
Hammond at paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 11/3/04 3:08 am:
> baldri...@yahoo.co.uk (Baldrick) wrote in message
> news:<9b91a665.04031...@posting.google.com>...
>> in article 77dd8f00.04031...@posting.google.com, alivine
at
>> avicenn...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/3/04 12:53 pm:
>>
>>> Dr. Maneck, I am unable to find the word "ambiquously" in any
legal
>>> English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
>>> source.
>>
>> Interesting one never sees MoHamHead or KKKkohli ever picking on Dr
>> Maneck's typo's or spelling like they enjoy having a go at ole
>> Baldrick here.
>
> You've clearly missed the times when I did do it, because
> Susan laughs about it, and isn't insecure like you are.
I am not the slightest bit insecure. What it does prove is even those
like Susan Maneck with PHD's can make typo's and spelling errors. No
one is infallible in this field on TRB or eleswhere. That is why
computers today have spellchecks.
Your constant nitpicking over such errors only show you are the one
who is insecure. Baldrick
Susan Maneck
>So, is there a rule about how a man with multiple wives
>has to decide which one he's going to sleep with in
>future, while remaining married to his other wives
>without sleeping with them?
No, no. It doesn't apply to opposite sex marriages even if they are polygamous.
Freethought110
successful baha'i teacher among Maoris and apparently a firebrand who
did not hold his punches in criticizing the AO-holes. In the mid 90s
he was suddenly murdered in his home under the strangest of
circumstances. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that
a deranged individual was systematically set up and set on upon poor
Hedi. I believe the AO is behind Hedi's murder very much in the same
manner that they are most probably responsible for the death of Dan
Jordan.
This is a mafia and a dangerous cult we're dealing with, not a
religion.
avicenn...@yahoo.com (alivine) wrote in message news:<77dd8f00.04031...@posting.google.com>...
Dermod Ryder
"Baldrick" <baldri...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9b91a665.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > You've clearly missed the times when I did do it, because
> > Susan laughs about it, and isn't insecure like you are.
>
> I am not the slightest bit insecure. What it does prove is even those
> like Susan Maneck with PHD's can make typo's and spelling errors. No
> one is infallible in this field on TRB or eleswhere. That is why
> computers today have spellchecks.
It's an awful pity that you don't avail of the facility therefore and check
your posts before sending them.
> Your constant nitpicking over such errors only show you are the one
> who is insecure. Baldrick
Your insecurity (and the great big chip on your shoulder) is manifest in
your nitpicking and the way that you have treated even your friend like
Brid. You are pompous, arrogant, indefinably hypocritical and utterly
contemptible.
Steve Marshall
>>Sure thing. The same with people in a same-sex marriage who join up,
>>right?
>
>Sure, as long as they don't sleep together. ;-}
Yeah, that's the story. I can see it now...
"Before we were Baha'is we were lovers in a long-term relationship.
Now we're just flatmates. Honest."
"A one bedroom apartment was all we could afford..."
"Would you like to come to a fireside that me and my flatmate Dave are
having?"
ka kite
Steve
Cal E. Rollins
Are you saying that you know of a Baha'i gay couple in Los Angeles who
are married to each other but self-proclaimed celibate and endorsed by
the Faith? How could that be? LA is not marrying gay couples. And the
Faith doesn't even allow two men to live together who are gay. So state
clearly what you're saying here, because it's important and
Faith-shaking information. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
It's not what a liar you're supposed to be; it's what a liar you can be
when the chips are down. But not to worry. Many Baha'is I know, the
ones with a fanatic bent, tend to have that same quirk. Anything goes
and everything out the window when it comes to their perception of
"protecting the Faith." They'll lie better than my Sharouk carpet. I'm
suprised the Powers That Be haven't made you one of those Councillors
you so rely upon for your sustenance and information-gathering. You got
the metal, the forehead markings, and all the other makings, girlfriend.
--Cal
Paul Hammond
:-) - As I said elsewhere, the Baha'i philosophy on gays
is "don't ask, don't tell" - it just doesn't cut the mustard.
Paul
Paul Hammond
> in article c977f97b.04031...@posting.google.com, Paul
> Hammond at paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 11/3/04 3:08 am:
>
> > baldri...@yahoo.co.uk (Baldrick) wrote in message
> > news:<9b91a665.04031...@posting.google.com>...
> >> in article 77dd8f00.04031...@posting.google.com, alivine
> at
> >> avicenn...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/3/04 12:53 pm:
> >>
> >>> Dr. Maneck, I am unable to find the word "ambiquously" in any
> legal
> >>> English dictionary. Perhaps, you need to guide me to the correct
> >>> source.
> >>
> >> Interesting one never sees MoHamHead or KKKkohli ever picking on Dr
> >> Maneck's typo's or spelling like they enjoy having a go at ole
> >> Baldrick here.
> >
> > You've clearly missed the times when I did do it, because
> > Susan laughs about it, and isn't insecure like you are.
>
> I am not the slightest bit insecure. What it does prove is even those
> like Susan Maneck with PHD's can make typo's and spelling errors. No
> one is infallible in this field on TRB or eleswhere. That is why
> computers today have spellchecks.
>
> Your constant nitpicking over such errors only show you are the one
> who is insecure. Baldrick
Ah, go fuck yourself. Then learn how to read.
Asswipe.
Susan Maneck
>"Would you like to come to a fireside that me and my flatmate Dave are
>having?"
LOL. Believe me, there are plenty of those in the states. Not sure how many are
just roomates, though. ;-}
However, in the case I was referring to the new believer insisted he was going
to remain married to his male partner but celibate, not just a roomate. The
Assembly in question didn't object. I don't question his veracity on this
matter, as I heard him assert this years before he became a Baha'i and was busy
attacking it. Then Mahdi came along and his arguments against the Faith
converted Ernesto and he declared. (Take a bow, Mahdi!) I'm not sure he stayed
a Baha'i, though. I think at one point he may have even become a Remeyite but
he must not have stayed long because I never heard he was officially declared a
Covenant breaker. Some of the Remeyites here may know this guy. He was always
very open about his lifestyle so I don't think I need to keep it a secret.
warmest, Susan
Susan Maneck
>Are you saying that you know of a Baha'i gay couple in Los Angeles who
>are married to each other but self-proclaimed celibate
Only one of them is a Baha'i, or was. I don't know his current status. I should
add that they had already been living together celibately for years before this
guy became a Baha'i.
>and endorsed by
>the Faith?
I didn't say they endorsed it, I said he explained to the Assembly his
situation when they enrolled him.
>How could that be? LA is not marrying gay couples.
They were already married when one of them became Baha'is.
>And the
>Faith doesn't even allow two men to live together who are gay.
Well, that's not what the Assembly told him at the time.
Cal E. Rollins
Fascinating. What does Bob Henderson and the rest of the NSA along with
the House of Justice say about these Los Angeles same gender
cohabitation developments? It looks like the left hands don't know what
the right hands are up to.
The American NSA used to have the policy that two guys living together
was verboten if they were homosexual. I just learned of one in a
Western State whose companion was dying of AIDs and the NSA demanded
they separate--banishing the sick one to a hospice to die I would
imagine. He alleges that the House of Justice hadn't yet responded to
his appeal. One person did say she observed that the NSA acted on a
case-by-case basis, depending on whether the parties were Persian,
white, well-to-do, or prominent in the community. I think her view may
have merit from what I've heard and observed.
This case-by-case thing is a real thorn for people interested in
jurisprudence rather than fickle application of so-called Baha'i ways of
doing things, aka Baha'i administration of justice. --Cal
Susan Maneck
>the House of Justice say about these Los Angeles same gender
>cohabitation developments?
I don't know that they know about it. Nor do I know of any ruling from the NSA
regarding people of the same sex living together. If you, please post the
letter.
>The American NSA used to have the policy that two guys living together
>was verboten if they were homosexual.
Can you find that policy? It isn't in "Developing Distinctive Bahá’í
Communities." I would be very much surprised if the NSA developed separate
policies for dealing with homosexuals than apply to other believers especially
since the House of Justice seems adverse to the notion of a 'gay' identity.
>One person did say she observed that the NSA acted on a
>case-by-case basis, depending on whether the parties were Persian,
>white, well-to-do, or prominent in the community.
I can believe the first part of the statement is true. I think the second part
is sheer nonsense!
>
>This case-by-case thing is a real thorn for people interested in
>jurisprudence
I expect it is. But it is difficulty to deal with issues having spiritual
ramifications any other way.
-- Susan
alivine
Ma'ani and Dr. Daniel Jordan.
Back in 1982, the Baha'i Administration was very quick to blame muslim
extremists for Dr. Jordan's murder. In fact, Susan Maneck did comment
on Dr. Jordan's large neck wound which would be attributed to Islamic
fanatics (refer to her previous post). However, one can not always
blame the Muslims for the ills of the Baha'is. After all, wasn't
Baha'ullah family and friends murdering his own half brother's family
in Akka back in the late 19th century?
Let them reply.
A>E>
freetho...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.04031...@posting.google.com>...
Cal E. Rollins
I didn't know the NSA was in the habit of posting it's letters to
individual Assemblies. If you want the NSA's comments on the subject of
same gender cohabitation request it of them. I do remember that the
person sending the letter to our assembly was Anne somebody or other
with a European-sounding name. I heard she was either no longer a
Baha'i or in bad graces for some reason. Maybe you know. --Cal
Susan Maneck
>individual Assemblies.
Cal,
If it is a 'policy' as you originally asserted it goes into Distinctive Baha'i
Communities so that all LSAs may act in accordance with it. Of course, later on
you admitted it wasn't policy and that these things were dealt with on a
case-to-case basis.
>If you want the NSA's comments on the subject of
>same gender cohabitation request it of them.
You're the one who made the assertions, not me.
>I do remember that the
>person sending the letter to our assembly was Anne somebody or other
>with a European-sounding name.
Likely it was Anne Strausburg.
> I heard she was either no longer a
>Baha'i or in bad graces for some reason. Maybe you know.
She left the National Center years ago. My impression is that she was used to
Glenford Mitchell and never hit it off with the next Secretary-General. Also, I
think she got cancer. But far from leaving the Faith, last I heard she was
serving on the Wilmette LSA.
Damon Nomad
(Freethought110) wrote:
>Hedi Ma'ani was a former member of the nsa of New Zealand, a
>successful baha'i teacher among Maoris and apparently a firebrand who
>did not hold his punches in criticizing the AO-holes. In the mid 90s
>he was suddenly murdered in his home under the strangest of
>circumstances.
He picked up a young boy, took him back to his house and was
murdered by the boy. Whether the boy was deranged or not I have
no idea.831...@posting.google.com>...
Susan Maneck
>He picked up a young boy, took him back to his house and was
>murdered by the boy. Whether the boy was deranged or not I have
>no idea.
Dear Damon,
The person who murdered Hedi Moani was found not guilty by reason of insanity,
so I think it is safe to say he was deranged. He stated at the deposition
hearing that he saw Hedi as "the anti-Christ" who was converting the leaders of
his Church to the Baha'i Faith, and therefore decided that
Hedi had to be "terminated".
warmest, Susan
Steve Marshall
wrote:
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 218-101-120-193.dialup.clear.net.nz (218.101.120.193)
>He picked up a young boy, took him back to his house and was
>murdered by the boy. Whether the boy was deranged or not I have
>no idea.
Hi Damon,
Nice to hear from a fellow New Zealander on the newsgroup. It sounds
like the guy was deranged, by all accounts:
"A West Auckland man was last night found not guilty by reason of
insanity of the murder of Devonport man Hediayatulaih [sic] Moani."
http://www.hedimoani.com/insanity.htm
The whole Hedi Moani tribute site seems to be worth a look:
http://www.hedimoani.com
ka kite
Steve
