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From: Doc Tavish (t-a--v-i...@i-x.n-e-t-co--m.co--mRemoveHyphens2Mail)
Subject: Communist Party USA Backed Democrats! (Their Own Words Too!)
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From: bgh...@berlin.infomatch.com (Brian Hauk)
Subject: Pathfinder Press Was Born With The October Revolution
Date: 1998/02/17
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[...]
I start with this because it is the clearest way I can explain what guides the
editorial policy of Pathfinder to this day. For more than 80 years, Pathfinder
and its various predecessors (from Merit and Pioneer, all the way back to the
Literature Department of the Workers Party of America) have had one and only one
objective: to publish and distribute as widely as possible the books, pamphlets,
and magazines that are necessary to advance the construction of a communist
party in the United States - an objective that is inseparable from the building
of a communist movement internationally.
[...]
Visit the Militant and other communist net resources:
The Militant
gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org:/11/pubs/militant
Granma International
http://www.granma.cu/
The Young Socialists
http://pages.prodigy.com/AHSG60C/index.html
Pathfinder Press
gopher://ftp.std.com/11/Book%20Sellers/Pathfinder%20Press
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The gopher below is from The Militant link above.
THE INFORMATION:
gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org:2998/0MILITANT/r.896371388.29778.22
960805-Communist Party Backs Warmon
pl...@cdp.UUCP
18-Jul-96
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Title: 960805-65--Communist Party Backs Warmongering President
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from the Militant, vol.60/no.28 August 5, 1996
BY MAURICE WILLIAMS
In keeping with its long history of class collaboration, the
Communist Party USA (CP) has come out early and vocally in favor
of the Democratic Party in the November presidential and
Congressional elections.
"Ridding the U.S. Congress of the fascist-like wing of the
Republican Party and its criminal Contract On America is the
greatest challenge our people and our country face," wrote Gus
Hall, national chair of the CP, in a recent pamphlet. An article
by CP leader Jarvis Tyner in the June issue of Political
Affairs, the party's theoretical journal, expanded on this
assertion.
From beginning to end, the CP's position is a dead end for
working people. For starters, it tries to rope workers into a
nationalist framework of what's good for "our country." In a
seven-page article, Tyner breathes not a word about the
struggles of working people around the world, nor the war
preparations the Clinton administration has spearheaded - from
the bombing of Iraq in the first days of his presidency to the
military intervention in Yugoslavia and the stepped-up economic
war against Cuba today.
While subordinating the interests of working people in other
countries to support for "democratic" imperialism, the CP also
advocates collaboration with the capitalists at home. Tyner
declares that if Republican candidates win this year's
elections, "their neo-fascist program, `The Contract With
America,' will be on the fast track to total implementation."
Tyner stated that this year the Communist Party is "not
planning to run a presidential ticket," and rapped Ralph Nader,
the pro-capitalist presidential candidate of the Green Party,
for "running the wrong campaign, for the wrong office, in the
wrong states and in the wrong year."
In drumming up support for U.S. president William Clinton,
Tyner applauds the "most outstanding effort" of the trade union
officialdom to register voters. He lauds the AFL-CIO officials'
"Union Summer," linking it with the union bureaucracy's plans to
raise $35 million to garner backing for Democratic Party
politicians. This alleged defender of the working people
refrained from suggesting the unions mobilize support for any
labor struggles taking place such as the McDonnell Douglas
strike by 6,700 Machinists in St. Louis.
Tyner calls on Blacks and Latinos to "help guarantee
Clinton's re-election and a defeat of the right in Congress." He
admonishes Clinton that he "needs to remember" that "winning
candidates should [have] a strong position against racism and
right-wing extremism." Meanwhile, the Clinton administration sat
on its hands for 18 months while more than 70 Black churches
were torched throughout the South. He also helped open attacks
on affirmative action and voting rights by proposing a "review"
of these gains of the civil rights movement.
Clinton has expressed his "support" for Latinos by escalating
a crackdown on immigrant workers with police raids in plants
throughout the country. A New York Times article described these
raids as the "Immigration and Naturalization Service's newly
declared war."
Clinton leads shift to right
Tyner and Hall warn of the "fascist danger" of the direction
of House Speaker Newt Gingrich and "the Gang of 73 right-wing
freshmen." In reality, Gingrich and his cohorts have fallen out
of the spotlight in recent months, largely unable to carry
through their frontal assault on the social wage working people
have won over decades.
Clinton himself has been the point man in the bipartisan move
to the right of bourgeois politics, especially in going after
democratic rights moreso than the Republican administrations
that preceded him.
The Democratic president, for instance, signed a broad
"antiterrorism" bill into law April 24 that permits the
government to deport immigrants accused of terrorism without
presenting any evidence. The president had proposed expanding
the wiretapping powers of federal agents, but this provision was
excluded from the bill by Congress.
Clinton's new law also limits appeals by death row inmates
which will lead to a step-up in executions and convictions of
Blacks and other working people is expected from this law. This
is consistent with Clinton's decision during his 1992 campaign
to demonstratively return to Arkansas and witness the execution
of a mentally disabled man, Ricky Rector.
While the Clinton administration has led the bipartisan
effort in pounding away at democratic rights, Tyner decries the
"hypocrisy" of the Republicans. Citing a concern for children,
the president signed a bill on May 17 commonly known as "Megan's
Law," which requires local notification about persons convicted
of a sex offense after their release from prison. The law adds
years to a person's sentence without the right to trial and
jury.
At the same time, Washington maintains a six-year economic
blockade that has starved hundreds of thousands of children in
Iraq, and continues to chip away at welfare, Medicare, and
Social Security benefits.
"Advocating a vote for Clinton and Democrats for Congress" is
"not a pro-Clinton or pro-Democratic Party movement," Tyner
intones. But, he adds, "the `lesser of two evils' phenomenon
unfortunately, is built into U.S. capitalist politics."
A similar approach is being taken by the Committees of
Correspondence (CoC), a centrist regroupment of Stalinists,
Trotskyists, and other petty-bourgeois radicals, dominated by
forces that split from the CP several years ago. At its second
national convention, held in New York July 12-14 and attended by
150 people, delegates debated endorsement of Clinton.
A small number of delegates at that gathering said they would
leave the CoC if a formal endorsement of Clinton was adopted.
This group favored endorsing Ralph Nader instead. Another
delegate declared that "the best kept secret of the convention"
was that the vast majority of members were going to support and
vote for Clinton. By the end, the resolution adopted did not
endorse the Democratic candidate, allowing differences over
which bourgeois candidate to support.
Revolutionary leader Malcolm X exposed the electoralist
lesser-evil scam of the capitalist parties. Commenting on the
victory of Democrat Lyndon Johnson - with the CP's support -
over Republican Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential race,
Malcolm said, "The shrewd capitalists, the shrewd imperialists,
knew that the only way people would run toward the fox would be
if you showed them a wolf."
Malcolm added, "Those who claim to be enemies of the system
were on their hands and knees waiting for Johnson to get
elected - because he is supposed to be a man of peace. And at
that moment he had troops invading the Congo and South Vietnam!
He even has troops in areas where other imperialists have
already withdrawn."
The Communist Party likewise backed President Franklin
Roosevelt during World War II, taking this counterrevolutionary
stance so far as to condemn a 1943 strike by coal miners as a
"disruption of the war effort and provocation. [Mine Workers
union president John Lewis] wants to throw the country into a
home-front war against the President, not against Hitler," as
their paper editorialized. In a speech last October, CP chair
Hall bragged that "the Communist Party played a key role in
rallying the American people for the Second Front" in World War
II.
Elections and the class struggle
"Elections in the capitalist system do not operate outside
the class struggle," Tyner sermonizes. "During election years,
the conflict between the two main contending classes shifts to
the voting booths. This is where the interests of the working
class and the capitalist class will come into sharp conflict in
1996."
Tyner, a member of the National Board of the Communist Party
USA, is trying to justify class collaboration, not class
struggle.
"The action of the masses - a big strike, for instance - is
more important than parliamentary activity at all times," wrote
V.I. Lenin in his pamphlet, "Left-Wing" Communism, An Infantile
Disorder. Lenin, a central leader of the Russian revolution,
wrote the pamphlet in 1920 to explain how the communist vanguard
became steeled in long years of struggle against opportunism and
social chauvinism.
"To decide once every few years which member of the ruling
class is to repress and oppress the people through parliament -
this is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarism, not only
in parliamentary-constitutional monarchies, but also in the most
democratic republics," Lenin explained in State and Revolution.
"Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the
rich - that is the democracy of capitalist society," the
revolutionary leader stated.
Lenin insisted, however, that this does not mean communists
must not make use of parliament. "The Bolsheviks made better use
of it than probably any other party in the world," he said.
"Participation in parliamentary elections and in the struggle on
the platform of parliament is obligatory for the party of the
revolutionary proletariat precisely for the purpose of
educating" the working class.
The Communist Party USA does nothing but miseducate and
betray the working class with its pro-Clinton stance. Working
people need a voice in the elections independent from the
capitalist rulers. The only candidates providing one in this
campaign are those on the Socialist Workers ticket.
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Tuesday, March 27, 2001
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Comrade Jesse Jackson
By Joseph Farah
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WASHINGTON -- We've found out in recent weeks that Jesse Jackson is a
financial chiseler and a marital cheat.
What most Americans still don't know about him is that he is also in bed
with the American Stalinists of the Communist Party USA.
Here's the evidence of what I charge:
* In the January 1984 edition of Political Affairs, "the theoretical
journal of the Communist Party USA," self-described "Harlem organizer for
the New York Communist Party" Kevin Mercadel boasted, "Our '84 electoral
activity began with the formation of the Rainbow Coalition in Harlem in
support of Jesse Jackson's campaign for the presidency." Mercadel added
that the Communists were not only allowed to work in the coalition, "but,
indeed, it was expected of us."
* One of Jackson's top organizers is Jack O'Dell, who served as director
of international affairs of the National Rainbow Coalition. He is also a
Communist Party USA veteran.
* The late Gus Hall, longtime boss of the Communist Party USA, endorsed
Jackson's presidential campaign in 1988, as the height of "a new level of
united independent political action, within and outside the Democratic
Party," he said in the September-October 1988 edition of Political
Affairs.
* In the July 1989 edition of Political Affairs, John Holme, chairman of
the Northern California political action commission of the party, wrote,
"Like many of the campaigns in which Communists play an active role, the
Jackson '88 campaign was an 'inner Democratic Party struggle.'"
* In the March 1989 edition of Political Affairs, James Steele, a member
of the executive committee of the party, wrote, "If we Communists are not
prejudiced by form; if we do not have a jaundiced attitude toward
inner-Democratic party struggles, our party can make a unique contribution
toward helping the Rainbow achieve its goal of consolidating a mass
membership organization corresponding to the size of its electoral
support."
* The July 1988 edition of Political Affairs notes, "In Pittsburgh,
separatism was disguised with charges that 'white communist elements' took
over the Jackson campaign." Apparently, even the Michael Dukakis campaign
realized just how deeply infiltrated and compromised was the Jackson
campaign.
* Jackson was the keynote speaker at a 1985 commemoration of the 10th
anniversary of "the liberation of Vietnam" sponsored by the Communist
Party USA, according to the Daily World, May 7, 1985 edition.
* Jackson was again the star of a Berkeley symposium July 20, 1984,
sponsored by the Marxist Black Scholar magazine and including
presentations by three CPUSA leaders.
I could go on and on. Jackson may not be an official, card-carrying member
of the Communist Party USA, but he could not be serving the group's
interests more if he was. The Communists love him. He's been their
standard-bearer in electoral politics and grass-roots community organizing
for at least 15 years.
More importantly, suggests the voluminous coverage Jackson has received in
the official Communist press, he represents the party's best political
hope to hijack the Democratic Party for its own purposes.
Study the issues. See if you can detect even the slightest disagreement or
conflict between the positions of the Communist Party and the Rev. Jesse
Jackson. I dare you. You won't find much. They are strong political allies
because they agree 99 percent of the time.
Of course, it's nothing new for the Communist Party to work within the
Democratic Party. They did it with Franklin D. Roosevelt. Then they split
along with Henry Wallace. But they came back into the Democratic Party
political fold in 1972, when George McGovern got the nomination. And they
have been there ever since -- sometimes working directly on behalf of the
nominee, as they did with Al Gore in 2000, and sometimes working for a
dissident like Jackson.
But no "mainstream" political leader in U.S. history has ever cozied up
quite so close to the Communists as Jackson.
Crook, cheat, commie with a small "c" -- does Jesse Jackson need to
collect any more baggage before we dismiss him and his discredited,
statist, collectivist ideas from the national debate?
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For a fact Jesse Jackson's son has allied himself with the Democratic Socialists
of America who seek to undermine America through communism as shown here:
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Subject: DSA Web Site Names Socialists In House of Representatives (FOR YOUR
ARCHIVES)..
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:08:00 -0600
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(Links may no longer be active today.)
Folks want to see who is working against our forefathers' dream of a
Constitutional Republic? Here are the links and the search engine to find
out who is undermining the Constitution which guarantees at least for now
in America:
Constitution of the United States
Article IV, Section 4:
- Republican form of government guaranteed.
Each state to be protected.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them
against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the
Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against
domestic Violence."
(We are being invaded and attacked from within. The communists/socialists
are taking over without firing a shot! Doc Tavish)
Links active today November 12, 2000
Go to Democratic Socialists web page
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
and once there click the "magnifying glass" to activate the search engine
http://www.dsausa.org/search.html
and enter as key words: Progressive Caucus and you will get:
DSA Site Search Results
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The Keyword(s) you searched :: progressive caucus
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The Results of the search are : 2 Entries found 1 The Progressive Caucus
http://www.netprogress.org/
Matched with keywords :: 100 %
Click the above link to get:
"The Progressive Challenge
In January 1997, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
<http://www.netprogress.org/legis/index.htm > and leaders from a growing
coalition of progressive non-governmental organizations
<http://www.netprogress.org/sponsors/index.htm> held a public conference
on Capitol Hill to highlight the little-publicized fact that 52
Congressional candidates running on explicitly progressive agendas
unanimously won their sought-after seats in the '96 November elections.
The event emphasized the need to reinvigorate efforts to articulate an
agenda for America that engages Congresspeople, activists, scholars, and
citizens in a national debate and struggle for progressive priorities at
the state, local, and national level. Since then, the Progressive
Challenge coalition has conducted public and congressional briefings,
debates and a Congressional Caucus State of the Union Address, and
membership in the 105th Congress Progressive Caucus stood at 58. This
legacy will continue in the 106th Congress."
The link shown above or <http://www.netprogress.org/legis/index.htm >
when clicked will show a virtual rogue's gallery of socialists infesting
our government!
Here is the listing of Congressional Committees and the Socialists on
them:
House Committees
Agriculture
Earl Hilliard
Bennie Thompson
Appropriations
Julian Dixon
Marcy Kaptur
Carrie Meek
John Olver
Ed Pastor
Nancy Pelosi
Jose Serrano
Louis Stokes
Esteban Torres
Banking & Financial Services Democrats
Julia Carson
Barney Frank
Luis Gutierrez
Maurice Hinchey
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.
John J. LaFalce
Cynthia McKinney
Bernie Sanders
Nydia Velasquez
Maxine Waters
Mel Watt
Lynn Woolsey
Budget Democrats
Patsy Mink
Lynn Rivers
Bennie Thompson
Committee on Commerce Democrats
Diana DeGette
Elizabeth Furse
Henry Waxman
Committee on Education and the Workforce
Chaka Fattah
George Miller
Patsy Mink
Major Owens
Donald Payne
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'
John F. Tierney
Lynn Woolsey
Committee on Government Reform & Oversight
Danny Davis
Chaka Fattah
Dennis Kucinich
Eleanor Holmes Norton
Major Owens
Bernie Sanders
John F. Tierney
Henry Waxman
Committee on House Oversight
Committee on International Relations
Eni Faleomavaega
Alcee Hastings
Earl Hilliard
Dennis Kucinich
Cynthia McKinney
Donald Payne
Committee on the Judiciary
John Conyers
Barney Frank
Jerry Nadler
Maxine Waters
Mel Watt
Committee on National Security
Neil Abercrombie
Lane Evans
Committee on Resources
Neil Abercrombie
Peter DeFazio
Eni Faleomavaega
Maurice Hinchey
George Miller
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'
Committee on Rules
Committee on Science
Alcee Hastings
Lynn Rivers
Select Committee on Intelligence
Julian Dixon
Nancy Pelosi
Committee on Small Business
Danny Davis
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.
John J. LaFalce
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Peter DeFazio
Corrine Brown
Bob Filner
James P. McGovern
Jerry Nadler
Eleanor Holmes Norton
Committee on Veterans Affairs
Lane Evans
Bob Filner
Luis Gutierrez
Julia Carson
Corrine Brown
Committee on Ways and Means
John Lewis
William Coyne
Charles Rangel
Xavier Becerra
Pete Stark
Jim McDermott
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Here is the Socialists' Steering Committee
U.S. House Progressive Caucus
Staff Coordinator
Carrie Lynch
202-225-6416
2134 Rayburn H.O.B.
Washington D.C.
20515
Steering Commitee
Peter DeFazio, Chair
(D, OR-4)
pdef...@hr.house.gov
Lane Evans
(D, IL-17)
Maurice Hinchey
(Economic Security)
(D, NY-26)
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr. (D, IL-2)
(The "Reverend" Jesse Jackson's son!)
Cynthia McKinney (Media)
(D, GA-4)
Major Owens (Program)
(D, NY-11)
Bernie Sanders (Strategy)
(I, VT-At Large)
Nydia Velazquez (D, NY-12) Search the Web
Maxine Waters (D, CA-35) Search the Web
Lynn Woolsey (D, CA-6)
woo...@hr.house.gov
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Members
Neil Abercrombie (D, HI-1)
ne...@abercrombie.house.gov Search the Web
Xavier Becerra (D, CA-30) Search the Web
David Bonior (D, MI-10) Search the Web
Corrine Brown (D, FL-3) Search the Web
George E. Brown, Jr. (D, CA-42)
talk...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Julia Carson (D, IN-10)
rep.c...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
John Conyers (D, MI-14)
jcon...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
William Coyne (D, PA-14) Search the Web
Danny Davis (D, IL-7)
danny...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Diana DeGette (D, CO-1) Search the Web
Julian Dixon (D, CA-32) Search the Web
Eni Faleomavaega (D, AS-Del) Search the Web
Chaka Fattah (D, PA-2) Search the Web
Bob Filner (D, CA-50) Search the Web
Barney Frank (D, MA-4) Search the Web
Luis Gutierrez (D, IL-4)
lu...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Alcee Hastings (D, FL-23)
hast...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Earl Hilliard (D, AL-7) Search the Web
Marcy Kaptur (D, OH-9)
rep.k...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Dennis Kucinich (D, OH-10) Search the Web
John J. LaFalce (D, NY-29) Search the Web
Barbara Lee (D, CA-9) Search the Web
John Lewis (D, GA-5) Search the Web
Carrie Meek (D, FL-17) Search the Web
Jim McDermott (D, WA-7) Search the Web
James P. McGovern (D, MA-3) Search the Web
George Miller (D, CA-7)
george.m...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Patsy Mink (D, HI-2) Search the Web
Jerry Nadler (D, NY-8)
jerrold...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Eleanor Holmes Norton (D, DC-Del) Search the Web
John Olver (D, MA-1)
john....@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Ed Pastor (D, AZ-2)
ed.p...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Donald Payne (D, NJ-10) Search the Web
Nancy Pelosi (D, CA-8)
sf.n...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Charles Rangel (D, NY-15) Search the Web
Lynn Rivers (D, MI-13) Search the Web
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'(D, PR-Del) Search the Web
Jose Serrano (D, NY-16)
jser...@mail.house.gov Search the Web
Pete Stark (D, CA-13)
pete...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D, OH-11) Search the Web
Bennie Thompson (D, MS-2)
ms...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
John F. Tierney (D, MA-6) Search the Web
Esteban Torres (D, CA-43)
arco...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Mel Watt (D, NC-12)
mel...@hr.house.gov Search the Web
Henry Waxman (D, CA-29)
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Need I say more?
As a reminder the DSA home page does not disguise its "redistribute the
wealth" ideology. It says plainly:
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
"Democratic Socialists of America share a vision of a humane international
social order based on equitable distribution of resources..."
Doc Tavish
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Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! (Renamed)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:56:58 -0600
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(EXCERPT)
Blast from the past repost. Not all links may work today!
[...]
As a reminder the DSA home page does not disguise its "redistribute
the wealth" ideology. It says plainly:
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
"Democratic Socialists of America share a vision of a humane international
social order based on equitable distribution of resources..."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/index.html
Here are some of the Fight Songs which can be linked to the socialists in our
American Congress! (Can all of you imagine ol' Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters,
and others sitting around a bon fire singing the following ditties?)
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Songs.html
From 1995 -- DSA Songs
Red Revolution
(to the tune of "When the Red, Red Robbin, Comes Bob, Bob Bobbin Along"
author: Ruy Texeira, Madison DSOC and/or Rick Kunnes, former NAM
Organizational Secretary 1979-1981)
When the Red Revolution
Brings Its Solution
Along, Along
There'll be no more lootin'
When we start shootin'
That Wall Street throng
Wake up you proletarians
Don't act like seminarians
Expropriate Barbarians
Build a Workers' Republic
Exploitation and Degradation
You Won't Find Here
Surplus Value and Capital Will Disappear
I'm Just a Red again,
Saying what I've said again,
When the Red Revolution... da, da, da, da
Brings Its Solution...da, da, da, da, da
A long
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Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie
Traditional American song, sung in rounds to the tune of "Frere Jacques".
Are you sleeping, Are you sleeping,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill you all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
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Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie, See How They Run
Usually sung in rounds after "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie". Sung to the tune
of "Three Blind Mice".
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
See how they run,
See how they run
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill them all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
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The Inter-Factional
Written at the end of the Summer 1985 DSA Youth Conference after endless
nitpicking over a re-draft of the YS's statement of principles, "Which Way
America".
To the tune of The Internationale
Arise, ye prisoners of group process
Arise, correctors of poor verse.
For just as we reach a consensus,
Still "better" words are birthed,
No more facilitators bind us,
No motions will be called
The text shall rise in new rephrasements,
It was all rot, it shall be awed.
Chorus
'Tis the final conflict
Let each stand by her phrase
The International Working Draft
Shall reach the human race
(repeat chorus)
Some dream of liberal coalition,
Decry the wreckage of the earth.
Each Caucus thunders condemnation.
Priorities are reversed!
One day the printer's ink will bind us,
Red and Greens, no more will stall.
"Which Way A-mer-i-ca" shall triumph,
It was all rot, it shall be awed
(Chorus)
*with apologies to Pierre Deguyter (1871)
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<end>
See what the socialists really think of Real Americans people? Their very own
words too! The link above is active 11/22/2000 for YOUR verification!
[...]
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/index.html
From the link above find this:
"Lingo - how to understand left lingo."
Click "Lingo" or its link here:
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Lingo.html
(Link active for 11/13/2000)
And you will see that DSA aka Democratic Socialists are all about communism,
trotskyism, marxism etc.
Here is "lefty" lingo in their own words!
<start>
Left-Wing Lingo, Ideologies and History
written by J. Hughes Please send suggestions for additions to: (e-mail)
jhu...@changesurfer.com
Socialist Ideologies
Utopian, Communitarian Socialism
Anarchism
Communism, Marxism
Social Democracy
Fabianism
Marxist-Leninism
Trotskyism
Maoism
Schactmanism I
Schactmanism II
Euro-Communism
New Left
Contemporary American Democratic Left
Radical Democracy
Democratic Marxism, and other kinds of democratic socialism
Socialist Feminism, and other kinds of feminism
Black Socialism, and other kinds of people of color politics
Eco-Socialism, and other kinds of green politics
Family Tree
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Utopian, Communitarian Socialism
Theory: Though there are a great variety of utopian movements and thinkers, this
particular strain of utopianism advocates changing society by adopting
egalitarian lifestyles, and building cooperatives and communes which embody the
good society and set an example for the rest of the world.
Praxis: There have been many socialist communes and communalists throughout
history, but the best known U.S. experiments were those conducted in the 19th
century, such as the Fourierists, Owen's New Harmony, and the Oneida community.
They were inspired by a variety of ideologies, religious and secular. Their
largest modern descendents in the U.S. are the Fellowship for Intentional
Community, and the Federation of Egalitarian Communities around the Virginia
commune Twin Oaks (also here)..
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Anarchism
Theory: Sometimes also referred to as libertarian socialism{See also this FAQ].
Opposed to all relations of domination, including the State, Family, Religion,
and the Rich. Opposed to the Marxist idea of a transitional reliance on a
socialist State, believing it will inevitably result in another form of tyranny.
Anarcho-syndicalists specify that the means and ends of social change should be
workers' power through unions, replacing government with a federation of
industrial-based worker organizations. (See also aBibliography and FAQ)
Praxis: In Europe associated with the writings of Bakunin and Kropotkin; in the
U.S. represented by figures such as Emma Goldman; worldwide, there have been and
are many individuals and groupings since the 19th century. The chief
anarcho-syndicalists in the U.S. are the Industrial Workers of the World.
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Communism, Marxism, Scientific Socialism
Theory: Marx outlined a "dialectical materialist" theory of history postulating
that the nature of the technological and economic system of each society
determines the power relations within that society, dividing society between
those who own and control the means of production and those who are exploited.
These classes struggle over resources, and when the technological and economic
base of society changes, a new class develops to overthrow the previous ruling
class.
The final stage of this dialectical process is the world-wide polarization
between the industrial working class and the owners of industry; after the
proletariat overthrows the bourgeoisie there will be no more class divisions and
humanity will consciously control its own evolution.
Social democratic reforms in the short-term, towards the replacement of
capitalism (the private ownership of means of production) with "social
ownership" (socialism). The democratic advancement of the masses' interests
replaces the "dictatorship" of bourgeois democracy with the "dictatorship" of
the working class under socialism. Finally, the idea of ownership itself will
disappear, as will all vestiges of class divisions, and therefore the need for a
State will disappear, which is the stage of communism. [Another summary of
Marxism]
Praxis: As a movement, can probably be dated from the founding of the
International Workingmen's Association, 1864-1876, within which Marx (1818-1883)
and Bakunin were the two ideological poles. In the U.S.: probably the "De
Leonist" Socialist Labor Party is the first, most orthodox, and one of the
smallest, Marxist parties, founded before 1900.
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Social Democracy
Theory: To use working people's parties within parliamentary democracy to
achieve social reforms, and eventually socialism.
Theoretical Varieties: Christian Socialism; Labor Zionism, creation of a
socialist Israel; eventually the Israeli Labor Party and MAPAM; Marxist
Socialism, a minor strain in all social democratic parties to the present. When
referring to contemporary European socialist, social democratic and labor
parties, called "Euro-socialism."
Praxis: Usually dated from the founding of the (2nd) Socialist International,
1889-WWI, 1923-present. In the U.S. from the founding of the U.S. Socialist
Party (SP), 1900-1972, and DSOC-DSA 1972-present.
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Guild Socialism
Theory: Industry should be owned by the state or "commune" and managed by
workers organized in local and national guilds Praxis: In the writings of G.D.H.
Cole and the British Guilds Restoration Movement, 1913-1929; eventually
overshadowed by British Social Democracy.
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Fabianism
Theory: Socialism will be the result a slow, hopefully peaceful, evolution, as
rational, scientific states restructure our irrational society. Scientists are
the vanguard of this shift, not the working class, though there may be a
fruitful alliance of the two. As a result they had a weakness for authoritarian
regimes, such as Soviet Russia, and for ideas such as eugenics and progressive
imperialism. On the other hand, they were creative thinkers associated with
internationalism and the cooperative movement, and as backers of the labor
movement and the Labor Party.
Praxis: Associated with the intellectuals of the British Fabian Society from
about 1880 to 1920, until the British Labor Party and Marxism, in its Leninist
and democratic forms, shunted their ideas aside. Some of their well-known
members included the science fiction author H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw, and
the cooperativists Sidney and Beatrice Webb, who founded the London School of
Economics. [Also see a wacky conspiracy theory look at the Fabians.] Today's
Fabian Society [fabian-...@geo2.geonet.de] is more of a democratic socialist
think-tank for the British Labor Party than a distinct ideological tendency.
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Marxist-Leninism, Bolshevism, Communism
Theory: Since workers can only achieve trade-union consciousness , they must be
led by a vanguard party of Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries. This party must be
governed by military discipline, and "democratic centralism" : party-membership
is tightly controlled and all members must keep party discipline, not
contradicting the party-line in public, but only through internal "democratic"
debate. The party newspaper plays a central role. The party relies heavily on
front-organizations, ostensibly independent but actually controlled by the Party
Praxis: Usually dated from the USSR's founding of the (3rd) Communist
International, 1920-1956. In the U.S.: Communist Party USA (CPUSA),
1920-present.
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Trotskyism
Praxis: Leon Trotsky, a Bolshevik leader and factional opponent of Stalin,
exiled from Russia in 1929 for his advocacy of more power to industrial worker
organizations against the Stalinist party machine. Murdered by a Stalinist
assassin in Mexico in 1940. As a movement, associated with Trotsky's founding of
the "Fourth International", 1938-present. In the US, Trotskyism was originally
associated with the Socialist Worker's Party (SWP or "Swoops"), 1940-present.
Some assert that in the late 1970s the SWP became "Castroists." Today Trotskyism
is more vividly represented by the Spartacist League ("the Sparts"), the
Workers' League and the International Socialist Organization.
Occasionally Trotskyists practice the tactic of "entryism," joining a larger,
mass socialist or labour party in order to win more influence, while continuing
to exist as a separate political party. The most successful example of
Trotskyist entrism was conducted by the British Militant Tendency, which took
over sections of the British Labour Party in the 70s and 80s, until being purged
in the 90s.
Theory: Stalinist Russia is a deformed worker's State , more progressive than
capitalism and therefore worthy of being defended against imperialist (US)
aggression, but needs an internal proletarian revolution to throw out the
bureaucrats. (While the collapse of East Europan Communism would appear to have
made this core project moot, Trotskyists today are buoyed in the belief that
their version of - as yet untried - socialism has been vindicated over the
Communist and social democratic versions.)
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Maoism
Theory: China should lead a united, revolutionary Third World against Soviet and
American imperialism. Peasants can be the backbone of "proletarian" revolution
if led by a Communist Party. Once in power Communists must engage in constant
struggle ("Cultural Revolution") against the feudal and bourgeois elements
entrenched in the socialist State. Continuous group criticism and self-criticism
by party cadres is a key form of ideological purification.
Praxis: In the US: the tiny Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) - following the
immortal teachings of Marx-Lenin-MaoTseTung-Bob Avakian thought - the Maoist
International Movement, the Committee to Support the Revolution in Peru, and the
Progressive Labor Party (PLP).
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Schactmanism I, post-Trotskyist Leninism
Theory: Associated with Max Schactman, an associate of Trotsky, in 1940 in the
U.S. Communism in Russia and the Third World is not simply "deformed workers'
states" (Trotsky's formulation) but "bureaucratic collectivism" or "state
capitalism," the forced accumulation of capital for industrialization by a
bureaucratic class. Socialists should struggle for international revolution by
democratic workers' organizations against both Communism and capitalism, since
both are undemocratic societies dominated by ruling classes.
Praxis: From 1940 to 1958 represented by Schactman's Worker's Party, and after
the WP's merger with the U.S. Socialist Party in 1958, by Schactman's faction of
the SP. Today this Leninist, revolutionary phase of Schactmanism is best
represented in the journal New Politics, and in the organizations Solidarity and
the International Socialist Organization (though neither organization would
answer to "Schactmanite," preferring something like "revolutionary, Third
Campist, socialist-feminist, democratic Leninism").
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Schactmanism II, Laborist Neo-Conservatism
Theory: The AFL-CIO is the only legitimate representative of the American
working class, and the Democratic Party must become a more legitimate social
democratic/labor party by "moving to the center" and down-playing gay rights,
abortion and civil liberties. Socialists must side with U.S. foreign policy
against Communist totalitarianism, as in funding the Nicaraguan contras and
supporting nuclear weapons in Europe and the Pacific.
Praxis: In the U.S. (and only in the U.S.): the Social Democrats USA (SDUSA,
"Seduce-a") 1972-present, entrenched in the upper echelons of the AFL-CIO.
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Euro-Communism
Theory: A response to Krushchev's Stalin revelations, and the post-War
impracticality of revolution in the West, led by Enrico Berlinguer of the
Italian Communists (PCI), but also Spanish, Dutch, British, Japanese and other
Communists. Professed independence from Soviet foreign policy; criticism of
Czechoslovakia '68, Afghanistan, etc. Acknowledged that conditions in the West
demanded democratic means of struggle, including a broad "anti-corporate
coalition" with liberals and socialists, leading finally to a "discontinuous
break" with capitalism.
Praxis: Really a phenomenon of the 1950s-early 1980s, though many Communist
Parties outside of Communist countries moved a little bit in this direction.
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New Left, 1960-1970's
Theory: Central document was the "Port Huron Statement" of 1964, penned by Tom
Hayden and ratified as the ideological statement of the Students for a
Democratic Society. Professed "participatory democracy," as opposed to the
power-elite-dominated Western representative democracies, and the
power-elite-dominated authoritarian Communist societies . Also advocated
participatory democracy internally, as opposed to the use of party discipline
and hierarchy. Saw the agents of social change in "substitute proletarians": the
urban poor and black liberation movement, Third World peasant liberation
movements (Vietnam), and the student movement. Open to work with Leninists,
ignoring old Socialist-Communist divisions - a feature which led to their quick
demise. [See also Sixties Project Primary Document Archive]
Praxis: Internationally, almost every country had a New Left organization
between 1965-1970. In the U.S., principally the Students for a Democratic
Society (SDS) 1960-1969; the Weathermen,1969-late 70's, a guerrilla organization
that came out of SDS; the New American Movement (NAM) 1970-1982, a democratic
socialist organization that came out of SDS. Some groups, such as the Yippies
and the Diggers harked back to a more counter-cultural and anarcho-cooperative
model of social change. A French New Left movement, Situationaism, actually
began in the 50's growing out of leftist DaDaism and Surrealism, and had a
strong theoretical impact on the Paris '68 uprising and other European student
movements. [See also the Sixties Project and Vietnam Era Project]
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Contemporary American Democratic Left
Radical Democracy
Theory Focuses on overturning all forms of domination. The ethical principles
underlying all the diverse movements that make up "the Left" are those of
democracy: freedom, equality and solidarity must be extended into every sphere
of life, including race, gender, the civil sphere, and the economy. In this
sense radical democracy transcends Marxism, by including the insights of Marxist
analysis while rejecting the Marxist assertion that the economy and class are
the most fundamental forms of domination. The Left has gone astray when it has
elevated equality above the other components of democracy, such as civil freedom
and free elections. See Laclau and Mouffe's Hegemony and Socialist Strategy:
Towards a Radical Democratic Politics and "Reflections on Strategy in a Dark
Time: Radical Democracy" by Richard Flacks, with a dozen respondents, in March
1996 Boston Review.
Praxis: Some would claim that the radical democratic tradition began with the
American and French Revolutions. Some would cite the early Students for a
Democratic Society's Port Huron document as the mid-Cold War re-birth. Today
radical democracy is embodied in many political movements, but is perhaps most
self-consciously acknowledged in the Citizen Action movement, the post-Marxist
wings of DSA, and the Committees of Correspondence.
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Democratic Marxism
Theory: The State as a relatively autonomous "contestable terrain" for the
organized, self-conscious constituencies of the working class, through an open,
inclusive political party (a left Democratic Party or third party) and a radical
labor movement. Socialists organize a coalition of the sinking bottom third and
the sliding middle third of America (the bulk of the poor and the working middle
class) against the wealthy and corporations; central, necessary role for
organized labor. Influenced by Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci; socialists
struggle to wrest ideological hegemony away from the ruling class, and gain
hegemony for radical ideology. The leading exponent in the U.S. has been Michael
Harrington. Also well described in the pamphlet "Toward a Democratic Socialism:
Theory, Strategy, and Vision" (1991) by Joseph Schwartz, member of the DSA
National Political Committee.
Praxis: In the U.S., represented in the Democratic Socialists of America, the
Socialist Party USA, Committees of Correspondence, and Solidarity.
Related Species
Libertarian Socialism Theory: The state is almost as big a problem as
capitalism, and democratic grass-roots control through things like coops are
preferable to nationalization, or extensions of state authority. In its
anarchist variation, associated with the "council-communism" tradition. Leading
U.S. advocate (also a DSA member): Noam Chomsky.
Praxis: The more libertarian wings of democratic socialist and social democratic
groups embody a mild version of libertarian socialism, and a number of anarchist
collectives in North America have a radical libertarian socialist orientation,
such as the formerly Trotskyist Love and Rage group.
Market Socialism Theory: The State can't plan everything, and the market can
effectively be used by democratic public policy for social goals, such as
productivity.
Praxis: The moderate, or less utopian, wings of democratic socialist and social
democratic groups.
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Socialist-Feminism
Theory: Capitalism and patriarchy as relatively autonomous dual systems of
power, tending to reinforce one another but not necessarily; socialism alone
hasn't and won't liberate women; parallel influences of capitalism and
patriarchy reflected in feminization of poverty.
Praxis: Although many feminist organizations have become more class-conscious,
and committed to building feminism into a broader radical movement, only the DSA
Feminist Commission today represents a true dual-systems analysis of current
politics.
Other kinds of Feminists:
Marxist Feminism Theory: Women are primarily oppressed by capitalism, as
workers; class more primary than gender as a social cleavage. Socialist
revolution will liberate women.
Praxis: The "feminist" aspect of most socialist organizations in the U.S. today,
but most clearly expressed by the West Coast Freedom Socialist Party/Radical
Women.
Radical Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed by patriarchy; gender more primary
than class.
Praxis: Represented in the U.S. today by legal theorist Catherine MacKinnon and
writer Andrea Dworkin.
Lesbian Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed by both patriarchy and compulsory
heterosexuality; lesbianism and gender separatism are the only path to
liberation for women.
Liberal Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed because they don't have equal
rights ("equal opportunity") with men in democratic society.
Praxis: In the U.S., usually associated with the National Organization of Women,
though radicals actually have a lot of influence in NOW.
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Black Socialism
Theory: Capitalism is relatively autonomous from, but interlocked with, Western
imperialism, the exploitation of Third World peoples, and racism at home and
abroad. Democratic socialism (at home and internationally) won't necessarily
eliminate the oppressive relations of ethnic groups and nation-states, but will
weaken them. Racism, like capitalism, is not just the barriers to advancement of
minorities, but the whole structure of society which leads to inequality:
structural racism.
Praxis: A tendency in much of African-American politics, from politicians such
as Reps. Ron Dellums D-CA and Major Owens D-NY, to intellectuals such as Manning
Marable and Cornel West, to revolutionary groups such as the now defunct Black
Panther Party [BPP Ideology] [BPP History], and the still active African
Peoples' Socialist Party and National Peoples' Democratic Uhuru Movement.
Other People of Color Politics:
Black Marxism Theory: Ethnic/racial divisions result from economic exploitation,
such as the institution of slavery, and are used by the ruling class to divide
the working class. Socialism will eliminate racism.
Praxis: Most socialist organizations implicitly treat race as secondary to
class.
Pan-Africanism Theory: European peoples, socialist and capitalist, are globally
oppressing African peoples, and Africans everywhere must fight for unity and
liberation, and then struggle for socialism.
Praxis: In the U.S. by Kwame Ture's All-African People's Revolutionary Party,
and the Nkrumahist-Toureist Party Organizing Formation.
Black Nationalism Theory: Blacks in America are an oppressed nation, and should
struggle for a separate society and economy.
Praxis: In the U.S. by the Nation of Islam.
Black Anarchism TheoryThe foremost person associated with this movement would be
former Black Panther Party member Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin, and the journal 'Black
Autonomy'. The Black colony in America should take control of its communities
and form mass communes independent of the State, which is to be overthrown
through an alliance with white workers, though Black workers form the vanguard.
Civil Rights and Assimilationism Theory: Usually associated with
assimilationism; blacks are oppressed by racist attittudes and laws. The goal is
to have everyone be treated equally under the law, with the exception of
affirmative action.
Praxis: In the U.S., embodied in the Southern Christian Leadership Council, the
NAACP, and other mainline civil rights organizations.
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Eco-Socialism
Theory: Ecological protection requires the democratic control of the means of
production, but industrialism itself must be reformed not just socialized.
Recognizes a relative autonomy of ecology from class, State, gender, and race.
Advocates work reduction (shorter work weeks, more dole), sustainable
("no-growth") economy, participatory democracy, cooperatives, and strengthened
transnational institutions.
Praxis: In the U.S.: the left wing of the Greens USA, the more statist wing of
the Left Green Network, and the Environmental Commission of DSA.
Related Species
Eco-Populists Theory: Focus on worker and community struggles against local
hazards, without explicit anti-capitalism.
Praxis: In the U.S.: Citizen's Clearinghouse on Hazardous Wastes.
Eco-Anarchists/Social Ecologists Theory: Associated largely with the writings of
Murray Bookchin (1, 2, and the Detroit-based magazine Fifth Estate. Ecological
destruction grows out of authoritarian social structures.
Praxis: In the U.S.: the anarchist wing of the Left Green Network (LGN), which
is the moribund, left wing of the Greens USA, associated with Murray Bookchin
and the Institute for Social Ecology.
Eco-Feminists Theory: Ecological destruction grows out of the subordination of
women, whom men associate with Nature
Praxis: Represented by groups like Feminists for Animal Rights and the
EcoFeminism mailing list.
<end>
See what Americans have allowed congress to be infested with?
Need I say more other than our house needs a thorough cleaning!
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Latest links to DSA (Verified July 2002):
Democratic Socialists of America
Home Page: http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
About DSA: http://www.dsausa.org/about/index.html
This link features Bernie Sanders (U.S. Congressman):
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/
Here are some DSA "fight songs" and notice how they inspire a
Neo_Bolshevist Revolution: http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Songs.html
Here is DSA's links to all of their support versions of:
socialism/communism/Marxism etc: http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Lingo.html
Where We Stand aka Their Agenda: http://www.dsausa.org/about/where.html
To get a list of the socialists/traitors in our House of Representatives
use this search: http://www.dsausa.org/search.html
and enter as key words: Progressive Caucus and you will get:
DSA Site Search Results
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The Keyword(s) you searched :: progressive caucus
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The Results of the search are : 4 Entries found
1 The Progressive Caucus
http://www.netprogress.org/
This sub-link names the "traitors":
http://www.ips-dc.org/netprogress/legislation.htm
LEGISLATION INTRODUCED OR COSPONSORED BY THE PROGRESSIVE
CAUCUS IN THE 106TH CONGRESS AS OF OCTOBER, 2000
(See text below)**
Matched with keywords :: 200 %
2 Bernie Sanders Speaks To DSA Convention
http://www.dsausa.org/news/bernie/bernie.html
Matched with keywords :: 200 %
3 The Progressive Caucus
http://www.netprogress.org/
Matched with keywords :: 0 %
4 Bernie Sanders Speaks To DSA Convention
http://www.dsausa.org/news/bernie/bernie.html
Matched with keywords :: 0 %
Here are the links which name the socialists in the House of Representatives:
Home Page: http://bernie.house.gov/pc/
(Notice the link is hosted by Bernard Sanders and it is actually on a U.S.
Government web server! The rest of America is paying for socialist/communist
infiltration!)
MEMBERS: http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp
(The 50+ Traitors undermining our forefathers' dreams through incrementalism and
subtle subversion!)
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/about.asp
Articles of Organization
3-page document outlining Progressive Caucus structure and procedures
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Statement of Purpose
Official statement of purpose of the U.S. Congress Progressive Caucus
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Scott Bradbury
---The two faces of Don Ellis/Pat Blakely/Nazihunter illustrated:
Sun, 07 Apr 2002 00:59:30 GMT
"I apologize. Most Zionist. But I don't really consider you to be a Zionist
actually... I certainly do not view myself as Zionist."
Message-ID: <SRMr8.18415$XP2.8...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>
Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:44:20 GMT,
COMPARED TO
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:44:20 GMT
"...I have always been a Zionist..."
<o2J19.37305$Qn5.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sun, 07 Apr 2002 00:59:30 GMT
"You are pro-Israel and so am I."
<SRMr8.18415$XP2.8...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>
COMPARED TO
Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:08:32 GMT
"Of course most of this money gets funneled to Israel to help them keep
killing Palestinian children." (said in reply to: "Large list of companies
paying Jewish rabbi's to "bless their food")
<kc9R8.49576$ZQ6.2...@twister.southeast.rr.com>
Thus we see first hand Don Ellis' pathological dishonesty, his two faced
personality, and his total lack of core beliefs. Don Ellis plays two sides
against each other to agitate and he is not sincere in the least about who
or what cause[s] he supports which is TTB (Typical Troll Behavior).
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Ginger Eakle
"Tavish" <ta-v-i...@ix.n-et-co-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote in message
news:65rlrus3jgdsepvek...@4ax.com...
Tavish
Eakle" <virgin...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>Why is this crap on a Christianity Newsgroup?
Why would a Christian speak in such a manner? Christians vote too and they
should see their opposition for what they truly are! Communism is one of
Christianity's foremost enemies.
bj
Tavish <ta-v-i...@ix.n-et-co-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote in message
You'd be surprised at the number of people who claim to be both Communist
and Christian.
One of the predictions of the Virgin Mary was that in the final days, 1/3 of
the Church would be found worshiping Satan.
Tavish
>
>Tavish <ta-v-i...@ix.n-et-co-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote in message
>news:7j3nruo6m4a198c3e...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:08:32 -0700, <urn4coa...@corp.supernews.com>
>"Ginger
>> Eakle" <virgin...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why is this crap on a Christianity Newsgroup?
>>
>> Why would a Christian speak in such a manner? Christians vote too and they
>> should see their opposition for what they truly are! Communism is one of
>> Christianity's foremost enemies.
>
>You'd be surprised at the number of people who claim to be both Communist
>and Christian.
>One of the predictions of the Virgin Mary was that in the final days, 1/3 of
>the Church would be found worshiping Satan.
Very well put and you stated it quite well. I have nothing to add and peace be
with you!