continue the boycott RE:jewelboxes.
Bob Gajarsky
I'm sure most people on here have heard about the ongoing jewelbox
debate. Currently, most record labels are listening to their consumers
and have agreed, for the time, to continue producing cd's in
the jewelboxes.
Except for Warner Bros., who are behind the Eco-Pak. They have vowed
to produce all their discs in the Eco as of April 1....
THere's a couplethings that can be done here. Send mail to Warner
Brothers, telling them you will not purchase any of their discs
that are in the fall apart cases. Do not purchase any Warner
discs from the stores.
And, if you MUST purchase a Warner disc, get it from Columbia
Disc Club. I called up this morning to ask about the U2 disc
(it's the featured selection), and asked if it was "in the
jewelbox, or the cardboard stuff that falls apart". The woman
on the other end said "Our disc club only provides discs in the
jewelbox case".
Go Columbia!!! - bob gaj {from hoboken}
By the way, Russ Soloman, Tower Records prez, is a maroon.
He was "very disappointed" by the lateset decision of
the RIAA. russ, did you ever think that you should do the
same as the labels are doing, and *listen* to your customers??
it's the same as tower does now with their cd singles. incredible...
John Squires
any new CD's. It will only change the world a little bit but we
need every little bit we can get.
john squires
clinton '92 ??
Lazlo Nibble
> I think the world will be a better place when jewel boxes aren't used on
> any new CD's. It will only change the world a little bit but we need
> every little bit we can get.
Yeah. Too bad that changing over to digipaks will consume just as many or
more resources as jewel boxes+longboxes or jewel boxes alone, plus
there'll be all the waste matter created as the stupid digipaks
disintegrate after a couple of weeks of being carted to work and back or
being played in the car.
Sorry, John. WEA is going over to cardboard-based packaging because they
own Ivy Hill, one of the companies that used to make record sleeves and
now makes longboxes. They don't give a damn about "environmental concerns".
If they did, they'd go to the naked jewel box that every other country in
the world uses.
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|>
|>
|> And, if you MUST purchase a Warner disc, get it from Columbia
|> Disc Club. I called up this morning to ask about the U2 disc
|> (it's the featured selection), and asked if it was "in the
|> jewelbox, or the cardboard stuff that falls apart". The woman
|> on the other end said "Our disc club only provides discs in the
|> jewelbox case".
|>
|> Go Columbia!!! - bob gaj {from hoboken}
|>
yeah, right. Try and order Sting's _Soul Cages_ and see what it
comes in. I imagine that once WEA starts using ecopaks exclusively,
Columbia House will follow suit. Maybe not. but then none of
this makes any sense anyway.
The ecopak in a longbox really peeves me.
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>
> And, if you MUST purchase a Warner disc, get it from Columbia
> Disc Club. I called up this morning to ask about the U2 disc
> (it's the featured selection), and asked if it was "in the
> jewelbox, or the cardboard stuff that falls apart". The woman
> on the other end said "Our disc club only provides discs in the
> jewelbox case".
>
> Go Columbia!!! - bob gaj {from hoboken}
I feel as strongly about jewel boxes as you do, Bob. But watch Columbia
House. THEY LIE!
My brother ordered Sting's _Soul Cages_ recently. Came in a digipak.
I had even called them several months before that, and asked them about
the Sting cd. They told me that it came in a jewel box.
I'd guess that the Columbia House operators have no clue what a digipak
or a longbox is.
I'd also guess that since _Achtung Baby_ came in both forms, they logically
stocked the jewel box version. (from what I understand, future repressings
will be in jewel box form). But when Columbia House has no alternative,
they stock the item anyways.
Andrew
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John Squires
I think the world will be a better place when jewel boxes aren't used on
any new CD's. It will only change the world a little bit but we need
every little bit we can get.
>Yeah. Too bad that changing over to digipaks will consume just as many or
>more resources as jewel boxes+longboxes or jewel boxes alone, plus
>there'll be all the waste matter created as the stupid digipaks
>disintegrate after a couple of weeks of being carted to work and back or
>being played in the car.
>
>Sorry, John. WEA is going over to cardboard-based packaging because they
>own Ivy Hill, one of the companies that used to make record sleeves and
>now makes longboxes. They don't give a damn about "environmental concerns".
>If they did, they'd go to the naked jewel box that every other country in
>the world uses.
>
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>Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
It's to bad WEA doesn't give a damn about environmental concerns, (if this
be the case.) We do waste a lot of money on making the long boxes.
We really don't need them and it's not to hard to get a security system
good enough to handle the problem of the pocketable naked jewel box.
Why do other nations do it? Must be some reason. We should limit the
resources we use whenever possible if it makes things simpler, cheaper,
more efficient.
John Squires
Bob Gajarsky
>It's to bad WEA doesn't give a damn about environmental concerns, (if this
>be the case.) We do waste a lot of money on making the long boxes.
john - if your reason for supporting the eco-pak, digipak, or whatever
is because of the longbox, didn't you hear? they'rre gone. kaput.
no more as of april 1993.
>We really don't need them and it's not to hard to get a security system
>good enough to handle the problem of the pocketable naked jewel box.
very nice of you to notice that. tower, which claimed that "we're going
to lose so much money because people won't know where to look for a cd,
and then they're going to steal it" somehow manages to avoid both
of these little things with their cd singles, which are packaged
for the most part in nice individual jewel cases, with nice little
tab on them that goes off if you try to take it past the front
without being paid for. sort of like a library book.
but i guess a real thief wouldn't want to take such paltry things as
cd-singles...
>Why do other nations do it? Must be some reason. We should limit the
because they have the brains not to screw around with things that work
as the people want to, and some companies in the states wanted to
make more money for themselves (read: Warner).
-bob gaj {from hoboken}
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Richard Caley
js> I think the world will be a better place when jewel boxes aren't used on
js> any new CD's. It will only change the world a little bit but we
js> need every little bit we can get.
Is that jewel cases or long boxes you are talking about? Jewel cases
seem to be the best of the options that companies have put forward
(which is saying something :-)). Long boxes are a waste that only the
US could manage to invent...
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Lance W. Bledsoe
>By the way, Russ Soloman, Tower Records prez, is a maroon.
Actually, I'd say that he is a "deep red" myself. :-)
Lance
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Lazlo Nibble
>> By the way, Russ Soloman, Tower Records prez, is a maroon.
> ^^^^^^
> Actually, I'd say that he is a "deep red" myself. :-)
One thing you can say for the guy: if you write him a letter (even if it's
bitching about his position on digipaks vs. jewel boxes), he'll write you
back.
Use small words, though. I thought I had explained myself pretty clearly,
but he seemed to miss the point.
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Michiel van Meeteren
actual CD's are taken out of the box, and empty cases with the flyers only
sit on the shelf. This is also efficient as a system for prelistening discs
you might be iinterested in. I think the only problem with such a system in
the US is that record companies don't like to take back opened CDs, and they
probably wouldn't support stores that did it here in the US.
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William Kucharski
mvan...@ub.d.umn.edu (Michiel van Meeteren) said the following:
>The system that is common in many other countries outside the US is that the
>actual CD's are taken out of the box, and empty cases with the flyers only
>sit on the shelf. This is also efficient as a system for prelistening discs
>you might be iinterested in. I think the only problem with such a system in
>the US is that record companies don't like to take back opened CDs, and they
>probably wouldn't support stores that did it here in the US.
That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
handling my CDs...
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Espen H. Koht
>In article <1992Mar19....@solbourne.com> kuch...@solbourne.com
>(William Kucharski) writes:
>> >The system that is common in many other countries outside the US is that the
>> >actual CD's are taken out of the box, and empty cases with the flyers only
>> >sit on the shelf.
>>
>> That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
>> the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
>> handling my CDs...
>But the stores that do this open *one* CD and set that case out. Then
>when you bring the case up, they pull a still shrink-wrapped CD off the
>stock shelves (behind the counter, and a much more efficient use of
>space than they would have if all copies were out anyway), and return
>the empty case to the customer area. Think of the CD as a display
>model. Yes, the last person may end up with the opened CD, but then
>someone usually buys the display models anyway.
Even then, I have never bought a CD in a store in Europe where they won't
take the CD back if it doesn't play well. As long as you have the receipt, no
questions are asked.
The biggers stores usually have some kind of security system to prevent
shop-lifting. They leave the jewel boxes with the CD on the shelves in racks
similar to the ones people have at home (but larger). Some systems involve
a reusalble plastic shell that locks the box, and another one I have seen locks
the CD to the box (it fits over the hole). Both of these also include those
magnetic strips that set of alarms if somebody tries to remove them from the
story.
Seriously, the long-box is (was) stupid and desinged mainly to please the
stores. Now if the customers get to choose, there are alternatives that are
as good, if not better.
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John Fereira
>That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
>the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
>handling my CDs...
I don't get this. It's not *your* CD until you buy it. If it's not in
a longbox or otherwise wrapped such that it is inaccessible box you can
examine it before paying for it. A CD hidden away in a longbox can just
as easily be dropped and stepped on by that save $4.00/hour employee in the
back room. Keep in mind that even thought that employee only makes $4.00/hour
or whatever, they handle far many more CD's than you do. My guess is that
they are probably pretty good at it.
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William Kucharski
jo...@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) said the following:
>In article <1992Mar19....@solbourne.com> kuch...@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>
>>That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
>>the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
>>handling my CDs...
>
>I don't get this. It's not *your* CD until you buy it. If it's not in
>a longbox or otherwise wrapped such that it is inaccessible box you can
>examine it before paying for it. A CD hidden away in a longbox can just
>as easily be dropped and stepped on by that save $4.00/hour employee in the
>back room. Keep in mind that even thought that employee only makes $4.00/hour
>or whatever, they handle far many more CD's than you do. My guess is that
>they are probably pretty good at it.
Pretty good at it? You know how many people I've seen handle a CD such that
they get a fingerprint on it?
Basically, my prejudices are colored by an experience I had with such a store
in the Bay Area (I don't remember the name, it was on De Anza Blvd. in
Cupertino, though). They had a nice selection but unfortunately ALL their CDs
were non-shrink wrapped and sitting in cases behind the counter with the
matching jewel box sitting out on the sales floor.
As far as a CD hidden in a longbox, it seems like a lot of hassle for an
employee to reshrinkwrap the box, let alone glue the flap on the box back
on. :-)
Personally, two of the better systems I've seen that deal with this put the
shrinkwrapped jewel boxes in soft or hard plastic cases that result in the
package being the same size as a normal longbox. Then when you purchase the
CD the jewel box is removed from the case and the case is then used to put
some other CD out on the sales floor. No waste and no redesigning of bins
needed -- the jewel boxes in said cases fit perfectly in the same bins as the
longboxed CDs.
Al Crawford
>
> But the stores that do this open *one* CD and set that case out. Then
> when you bring the case up, they pull a still shrink-wrapped CD off the
> stock shelves (behind the counter, and a much more efficient use of
> space than they would have if all copies were out anyway), and return
> the empty case to the customer area.
Speaking as someone who lives in a country where this sort of arrangement
isn't uncommon, I'm afraid it doesn't always work. Quite simply, it's all
down to the stock a shop will have. So while you can usually be sure of
getting a fresh, shrink-wrapped copy of some brand new CD or one by a major
artist, if you pick up something by a less-well known artist the chances
are it's the only one they'll have in the shop.
That said, I've often bought discs like this and to date I've only ever had
*1* CD (out of 400+) that has been scratched at purchase, and this was
bought shrink-wrapped. I think the problems of keeping them in paper
sleeves and having sales-apes handling them are over-stressed. Certainly in
the shops like this where I buy discs, they *do* take care handling the
discs. A bigger complaint with these types of shops for me is that the
jewel cases get pretty bashed sitting in the racks without the protection
of shrink-wrapping. OK, so you can ask for a new case usually but it seems
to be a fundamental law of nature that you don't notice cracks in the case
until you get the disc home :-)
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Lazlo Nibble
> Would someone be kind enough to post Russ Soloman's mailing address.
Russ Solomon
Tower Records
2500 Del Monte
P.O. Box 919001
West Sacramento, CA 95691
(916) 373-2500
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Evelyn C. Leeper
> >actual CD's are taken out of the box, and empty cases with the flyers only
> >sit on the shelf.
>
> the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
> handling my CDs...
But the stores that do this open *one* CD and set that case out. Then
when you bring the case up, they pull a still shrink-wrapped CD off the
stock shelves (behind the counter, and a much more efficient use of
space than they would have if all copies were out anyway), and return
the empty case to the customer area. Think of the CD as a display
model. Yes, the last person may end up with the opened CD, but then
someone usually buys the display models anyway.
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William Kucharski
aw...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) said the following:
>That said, I've often bought discs like this and to date I've only ever had
>*1* CD (out of 400+) that has been scratched at purchase, and this was
>bought shrink-wrapped. I think the problems of keeping them in paper
Aaah! PAPER sleeves? Ick. The only thing I can think of that is more capable
of scratching a CD is the cardboard sleeve 3" CD singles often come in...
Larry Spence
>
>But the stores that do this open *one* CD and set that case out. Then
>when you bring the case up, they pull a still shrink-wrapped CD off the
>stock shelves (behind the counter, and a much more efficient use of
>space than they would have if all copies were out anyway), and return
>the empty case to the customer area. Think of the CD as a display
>model.
Fine, for mainstream stuff where they have multiple copies in stock. But
in the case of more obscure releases (e.g., imports) there may only be a
single copy, a couple at best, in the store. At my favorite stores, I
would estimate the average number of copies in stock per release to be
about 1.005. %) If I'm paying the premium for a brand new disc, I want it
to be in _mint_ condition. If CDs weren't so expensive, maybe I wouldn't
be so anal about it.
>Yes, the last person may end up with the opened CD, but then
>someone usually buys the display models anyway.
If the store marked down the price, that would be pretty attractive, IMHO.
Around here, I suspect that wouldn't happen (mercenary bastards!).
As far as store employees handling product, I've seen some things that made
me wince. At one store, they always ask "would you like me to take the box
off and recycle it?" That's good, but when the packaging is a plastic sleeve
with the booklet in the upper half, I'm tempted to respond, "sure, as
long as you don't mangle the f***ing booklet when you put it in the jewel
box!!" I've seen employees who didn't seem to know that you're supposed
to push _down_ on the hub, not yank _up_ on the disc edges, to remove a
disc from its jewel box. %( %( There are still people who think that CDs
are indestructible or close to it.
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George Robbins
> (William Kucharski) writes:
> > >The system that is common in many other countries outside the US is that the
> > >actual CD's are taken out of the box, and empty cases with the flyers only
> > >sit on the shelf.
> >
> > That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
> > the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
> > handling my CDs...
>
> But the stores that do this open *one* CD and set that case out. Then
> when you bring the case up, they pull a still shrink-wrapped CD off the
> stock shelves (behind the counter, and a much more efficient use of
> space than they would have if all copies were out anyway), and return
> the empty case to the customer area. Think of the CD as a display
> model. Yes, the last person may end up with the opened CD, but then
> someone usually buys the display models anyway.
I recall some of the mall record stores doing this with LP's back ~ 1971, but
it seems to have fallen from favor. I suspsect that sales are slightly higher
when the customer gets to fondle the real merchandise and carry if off. Or
perhaps is save time having to retrieve the real thing from a stockroom -
current practices put all the stock out on the floor, except for extras on the
most popular items.
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> Seriously, the long-box is (was) stupid and desinged mainly to please the
> stores. Now if the customers get to choose, there are alternatives that are
> as good, if not better.
>
ago? They were done away with and the stores never complained one bit (well
maybe a little, but you never heard about it). So why are they making such a
big fuss about a similar thing happening to CDs?
dave r
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Scott Lindsey
>
> While reading article <12...@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, I noticed that
> jo...@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) said the following:
> >a longbox or otherwise wrapped such that it is inaccessible box you can
> >examine it before paying for it. A CD hidden away in a longbox can just
> >as easily be dropped and stepped on by that save $4.00/hour employee in the
> >back room. Keep in mind that even thought that employee only makes $4.00/hour
> >or whatever, they handle far many more CD's than you do. My guess is that
> >they are probably pretty good at it.
It's not like I'm buying a car... I've got 1000+ CD's; if they'd all been
bought pre-opened, you expect me to have looked at every single one before
buying it? I feel I should be able to expect that a new CD should be in
good condition at the time of buying and I can take it back if it's not.
And these $4 people are only in the business for a couple of months before
they move on to their next job, so I probably do handle more CD's than them,
and if you add in CD ROMs at work... :-)
> Pretty good at it? You know how many people I've seen handle a CD such that
> they get a fingerprint on it?
>
> Basically, my prejudices are colored by an experience I had with such a store
> in the Bay Area (I don't remember the name, it was on De Anza Blvd. in
> Cupertino, though). They had a nice selection but unfortunately ALL their CDs
> were non-shrink wrapped and sitting in cases behind the counter with the
> matching jewel box sitting out on the sales floor.
That would be Circular Motions. Actually, I've become a bit disappointed
with their selection. I go there occasionally to check their imports,
though.
> Personally, two of the better systems I've seen that deal with this put the
> shrinkwrapped jewel boxes in soft or hard plastic cases that result in the
> package being the same size as a normal longbox. Then when you purchase the
> CD the jewel box is removed from the case and the case is then used to put
> some other CD out on the sales floor. No waste and no redesigning of bins
> needed -- the jewel boxes in said cases fit perfectly in the same bins as the
> longboxed CDs.
This is what Circular Motions' main competitor, Compact Disc Warehouse in
Sunnyvale does with all non-longbox CD's. It requires more time and effort
(and therefore $$$) than longboxes, which can just be tossed into the bins.
The hard plastic cases actually protect the jewel box better than the long
box. They're more rigid and can take the bumps, knocks, and being squeezed
into the display case. They're harder to flip through, though. With a long
box you can look at the top for the artist/title/label info. The same
problem is true for the nightmare indestructible (non-shrinkwrap) plastic
longbox alternative packaging.
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Brendan Jones
[re open CD displays used in other countries]
> That, and as I've said before, I'm not real thrilled with the person behind
> the counter making $4.00/hour because they'd rather not be flipping burgers
> handling my CDs...
Well you're just paranoid. Many stores in Australia use this technique and
the people behind the counter are always careful in firstly checking the
readout side of the CD for defects, and secondly, putting it carefully in the
jewel box. I've never had a problem. They handle CDs more carefully than I
do.
I'd suggest you actually experience this system before you go off ranting
about how terrible it must be.
I must say, however, that this system is being replaced in many stores with
the system where CDs are stored in the racks in theft prevention security
cages (with those magnetic stripes in them). This way, alarm bells ring at
the store entrances if someone tries to steal one, and secondly, the CD is
never handled by the shop assistant, save to remove the cage from the jewel
box upon purchase.
Both these systems work well and have not proved to be a shop-stealer's
paradise. All stores are fitted out for CD racks and the longbox is unheard
of. Every argument ever proffered in the good ol' USA against displaying CDs
directly in racks have never caused any problems in any other country in the
world. The arguments are bollocks.
Let's face it. The USA is in the dark ages when it comes to CD stores.
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>
> Does anyone remember when cassettes came in a longbox about 5 or 6 years
> ago? They were done away with and the stores never complained one bit (well
> maybe a little, but you never heard about it). So why are they making such a
> big fuss about a similar thing happening to CDs?
Tape has never been the primary commercial distribution medium for music.
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Lazlo Nibble
>> Does anyone remember when cassettes came in a longbox about 5 or 6
>> years ago? They were done away with and the stores never complained
>> one bit (well maybe a little, but you never heard about it). So why
>> are they making such a big fuss about a similar thing happening to CDs?
>
> Tape has never been the primary commercial distribution medium for music.
Tape is the primary commercial distribution medium for music even as we
speak, both in terms of unit sales and dollar volume.
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Lionel Tun
>[...] I've seen employees who didn't seem to know that you're supposed
>to push _down_ on the hub, not yank _up_ on the disc edges, to remove a
>disc from its jewel box.
I have seen this happen and positively cringe. Because of this it
irks me to have to buy unwrapped CDs at full price.
>Larry Spence
Lionel Tun
Robert Lopez
Ok, Ok, it begs to be asked, Lazlo...WHAT the $&^%$&^ does this have
to do with CDs???
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Greg WARD
>wom...@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) writes:
>
>
>Tape is the primary commercial distribution medium for music even as we
>speak, both in terms of unit sales and dollar volume.
Not to mention that cassettes seem, to me at least, most likely to be
stolen since they are mostly listened to by bratty teenagers bereft of
income; and (pardon my vicious stereotyping) it would seem that those
bereft of income are more likely to shoplift than those who can actually
afford CD's.
Just my observations from high school, at least -- it always seemed like
people who boasted about their "five-fingered discounts" were amongst
the people who listened to tapes (admittedly the vast majority of h.s.
students).
Greg Ward (nar...@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)
Brian Kauffman
>|> = wom...@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) writes:
> = rlo...@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>|> >> Does anyone remember when cassettes came in a longbox about 5 or 6
>|> >> years ago? They were done away with and the stores never complained
>|> >> one bit (well maybe a little, but you never heard about it). So why
>|> >> are they making such a big fuss about a similar thing happening to CDs?
>|> >
>|> > Tape has never been the primary commercial distribution medium for music.
>|>
>|> Tape is the primary commercial distribution medium for music even as we
>|> speak, both in terms of unit sales and dollar volume.
>|>
>|> --
>|> Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
>|>
>|> "Out in the garden there's half of a heaven"
>
>Ok, Ok, it begs to be asked, Lazlo...WHAT the $&^%$&^ does this have
>to do with CDs???
It doesn't beg to asked, it obvious: the lack of a large package is not a
problem with respect to the sale of cassette tapes, which suggests it is
a fabricated 'problem' with respect to the sale of CDs.
Another valid comparison: how many folks with large (or small) cassette
tape collections would rather have all those cassettes in cardboard cases?
-Brian