IRC COP ABUSE
Christophe Ruelle
Hi all,
I've read somewhere that IRC COP are some kind of clever IRC users here
to help + resolve problems, right?
I was used to be op on a _public_ channel #sexe - UNDERNET - for a month
A girl came from _nowhere_ and said she knows some IRC COPS, and she will
get the op just like she wants!
So she asked her friends and she got the op + banned me.
reason: she is jalous of our work.
The girl is: Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK THIS SORT OF ATTITUDE IS KILLING IRC!!!!
IF YOU ARE AND IRC OP, PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT!!! YOU HAVE THE POWER BUT
NOT THE RIGHT TO DO SUCH THINGS!!!
--- LOGS ---
and see what happened today:
[13:50] #sexe : 4 members ( 1 chop ), 0 bans
[13:53] [Sexy_luc!~com...@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca] Salut
[13:55] #sexe : 6 members ( 1 chop ), 0 bans
[13:57] No longer ignoring *!*@access325.abacom.com (automatically expired)
[14:00] #sexe : 7 members ( 1 chop ), 0 bans
[14:00] Writing user file ...
[14:05] #sexe : 6 members ( 1 chop ), 0 bans
[14:09] #sexe: mode change '-o+o amandab Chantal_ ' by Uworld.undernet.org
[14:09] TS resync deopped me on #sexe :(
[14:10] #sexe : 8 members ( 1 chop ), 0 bans (not op'd)
[14:10] #sexe: mode change '+o ^Peanut^ ' by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca
[14:10] #sexe: mode change '+o wolfy3d ' by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca
[14:10] #sexe: mode change '+b *!*@*.cica.fr ' by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca
[14:10] #sexe: mode change '+b *!*ftbot@*.sct.fr ' by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca
[14:11] -Chantal_ (~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca)-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOO!!! I CAN'T HOLD THEM BACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
[14:11] CTCP
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!:
from Chantal_ (~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca)
[14:11] [Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmouth.ccfne.ns.ca]
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR THEIR
POWER!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!
[14:11] juliab!jul...@pluton.cica.fr kicked from #sexe by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartm
outh.ccfne.ns.ca:
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!! [Fear K
ill]
[14:13] amandab!ft...@xtof.sct.fr kicked from #sexe by
Chantal_!~Un...@PC-45-59.dartmout
h.ccfne.ns.ca: Chantal_
See just how she is mad!!!!! she's a CRAZY girl and I dunno why IRC COP
did help her !!!!
I hope people will support me. We need to respect other and be respected
by the cops!!!
long life to IRC - peace - respect
Christophe Ruelle.
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Christophe P. Ruelle - Ms CS ESSI'95 - http://proweb.cica.fr/~ruelle
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Patrick Blakely
This is a common place on the Undernet. You did not mention the irc
operators who did this. I am curious of who it was. They have done
that to me several times, the Undernet operators even have helped child
molester channels keep their rooms. And they recently got a server
delinked for "political reasons". The rule of the Undernet is too kiss
ass to irc ops to get favors froms them. Time and time it happens, the
worse thing they ever did was to develop uworld. I would say try
writing to the committee but that is a joke. I would also like to hear
the other side of the story, but plain and simple, most irc operators
are corrupt and do special favors all the time for people. Especially if
you are homosexual running a gay room, they always seem to help those
channels very quickly, while others who asked earlier wait or get
ignored.
Politics is the way of the Undernet. Sorry but just saying the truth.
Patrick Blakely
jupi...@tgn.net
Patrick Blakely <st...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
OK the other side of the story.
I am an IRCop on undernet, springfield server. I realize this letter
you wrote is a troll, and I am not the least bit suprised to see where
you write from, either (*@worldnet.att.net), but that's another story,
filled with tales of cloning/flooding and general childishness that we
wont address right now.
It is astonishing to me that these claims are always made by those
people who make IRC'ing miserable for others by flooding,
channel-takeovers and other abusive, threatening behaviors. You abuse
the servers, the server admins and the users and then whine that there
is no justice on IRC. You preach of high morals and ethics while you
scare innocent users by threatening them, their connections and in
some cases, their very privacy. It's amazing how morally outraged a
gangster gets when the gun is turned on him. Corruption is an easy
cry, it incites passions and others who also don't know wtf they're
talking about to stand up and cry, "Like, uh, yeah, dude, right on,
what you said, like I totally agree, dude, like you're my HERO man!!"
*YAWN* When you stop hating blacks because you're scared of a balck
man or woman in power, when you stop hating gays because you are
totaly insecure in your own sexuality, when you stop HATING, period,
then and only then may I respect you. Until, quit your whining. It's
pathetic. Don't demand respect when you have never given it.
There are only two types of channels I have ever refused to help:
KKK-related channels and kiddieporn channels. I have been accused by
the next David Koresh, RevWhite, of being a child molester, corrupter
of the innocent, bla bla bla...the very same man who believes that the
bible teaches him to hate to the very depths of his soul. Somehow I
never lost sleep over his self-rightoeusness, his venom and his pure
idiocy. Gee, wonder why?
So how about the issue of "corrupt" IRCops on Undernet. Yes, let's
talk about these "corrupt" individuals and how really awful they are:
IRCops, myself included, work their asses off to make IRC life more
bearble for the 10,000+ users that log on and off their servers every
hour. I gave up chatting to my friends when I became an oper, because
there simply isnt any time now for play on IRC. I opened myself to
every abusive name a person can be called. I welcomed the huge work
load and the long hours and the tired fingers and eyes. I don't
begrudge it, I did it for a reason, one I stand behind 100%:
~~~~Undernet should be fun for users and free of abusers.~~~
Simplistic? Idealistic? So be it, but I believed it the very first
time I operd up and I will believe it until the day I remember that I
have a real life, and log off for good.
Jeremy Nelson
Tommy Galia <tomm...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>But in others there is a coruption to them it's harder to get help for
>certin channels. I am op on a hackers channel where we have been denied
>help several times just based on the fact that it's a hackers channel.
[blah]
*Rant on *
People ask me why im severely skeptical about the undernet, and irc in
general. This attutide that some new users are projecting is nothing
short of disgraceful.
Sir, How much do you pay for irc access?
Sir, How much did you pay to get a IRC service contract?
Sir, Do you even HAVE a IRC service contract?
Sir, Do you REALLY think you have any "RIGHTS" to service?
Sir, Do you think that volunteers have the legal obligation to provide
you with service they havent offered and you havent paid for?
IRC is a volunteer-driven service. Its FREE. It costs nothing to the
end user, but it costs time and resource usage to the persons who run
it. You, and I, and everyone else who is not using irc on a server running
on a machine that they do not own is a _guest_. As a _guest_, we are there
at the discretion and the pleasure of those who are providing the service.
The channel service is also a free, volunteer-driven service. Yet everyone
whines becuase it takes so long to get the service they didnt pay for.
They whine becuase there isnt an irc operator on duty 24/7 to fix their
channel because theyre incompetent at keeping it going. The channel
service seems to have attracted hordes of people who think that they have
some implicit right to whatever speedy service that they demand.
You have no rights to anything.
I have no rights to anything.
So stop whining about this "denial of services" bullshit.
If you need and require speedy service, go to AOL. But youll pay for it.
*Rant off *
-hop
Tony Miller
nel...@cs.uwp.edu (Jeremy Nelson) wrote:
>Tommy Galia <tomm...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>But in others there is a coruption to them it's harder to get help for
>>certin channels. I am op on a hackers channel where we have been denied
>>help several times just based on the fact that it's a hackers channel.
>[blah]
>*Rant on *
No ranting on my part, hop :-)
>People ask me why im severely skeptical about the undernet, and irc in
>general. This attutide that some new users are projecting is nothing
>short of disgraceful.
Yes it is, but that doesn't address the underlying "problem" (if there
is indeed a problem).
>Sir, How much do you pay for irc access?
>Sir, How much did you pay to get a IRC service contract?
>Sir, Do you even HAVE a IRC service contract?
>Sir, Do you REALLY think you have any "RIGHTS" to service?
>Sir, Do you think that volunteers have the legal obligation to provide
> you with service they havent offered and you havent paid for?
Another couple of questions I'd like to ask:
Sir, Why are you making a chat network free to these ungrateful users?
Sir, What sort of image is your network trying to promote?
Sir, Is there a minimal level of conduct that is expected from IRCops?
>IRC is a volunteer-driven service. Its FREE. It costs nothing to the
>end user, but it costs time and resource usage to the persons who run
>it. You, and I, and everyone else who is not using irc on a server running
>on a machine that they do not own is a _guest_. As a _guest_, we are there
>at the discretion and the pleasure of those who are providing the service.
Yes, but isn't that the main reason that the IRC networks are up? For
the benefit of the "guests"? And if an IRCop and/or Admin treats a
guest badly, don't they have to answer to the "Network Authorities"?
Doesn't a guest have recourse when they are treated badly for no good
reason?
I'm getting real fed up with these post which say in essence "you are
a slug". You have no rights! Well, you might want to re-read the IRC
FAQ, hop. And pay special attention to the part that says: "Remember
that there are people on the other side of those screens. Real
living, breathing people with feelings" <Poetic license taken>.
I try and treat everyone I meet on IRC from Admin down to user with
kindness. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I expect the same treatment
from them.
>The channel service is also a free, volunteer-driven service. Yet everyone
>whines becuase it takes so long to get the service they didnt pay for.
>They whine becuase there isnt an irc operator on duty 24/7 to fix their
>channel because theyre incompetent at keeping it going. The channel
>service seems to have attracted hordes of people who think that they have
>some implicit right to whatever speedy service that they demand.
You shouldn't whine... You should treat the operators with kindness.
>You have no rights to anything.
>I have no rights to anything.
You have the right as a human being to be treated kindly by people you
treat well.
>So stop whining about this "denial of services" bullshit.
>If you need and require speedy service, go to AOL. But youll pay for it.
Are you an admin or server op? If so, kindly tell me which server so
I can stay off it. If that attitude is pervalent, I don't want to
even connect.
--
My opinion and 50 cents will buy you a cup of coffee...
Kaehno
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Patrick Blakely wrote:
> This is a common place on the Undernet. You did not mention the irc
> operators who did this. I am curious of who it was. They have done
> that to me several times, the Undernet operators even have helped child
What good would it do to get the Oper's nick? It's only supposition,
speculation, and rumors.
> molester channels keep their rooms. And they recently got a server
> delinked for "political reasons". The rule of the Undernet is too kiss
> ass to irc ops to get favors froms them. Time and time it happens, the
> worse thing they ever did was to develop uworld. I would say try
Speculation in this case. You can only speculate the motives of IRCops
unless you ask them.
> writing to the committee but that is a joke. I would also like to hear
> the other side of the story, but plain and simple, most irc operators
> are corrupt and do special favors all the time for people. Especially if
> you are homosexual running a gay room, they always seem to help those
> channels very quickly, while others who asked earlier wait or get
> ignored.
Supposition and rumors in this case. Inaccuracy as well. Room = AOL.
Channel = IRC = Internet. Romm != (not equal to) Channel. You also seem
to have a strong hatred of Gay people. Maybe you'll get over it and maybe
you won't. I have a motto that I always use, "Blind hatred is almost as
bad as blind loyalty." Think about it.
> Politics is the way of the Undernet. Sorry but just saying the truth.
Politics are everywhere. So, exactly, what is your point?
---
Lead Technical Support Specialist
IRC Administrator
ico...@goodnet.com / irca...@goodnet.com
ico...@netzone.com
Mandar Mirashi
Christophe,
I hopped on that channel today and can't see the user 'chantal'
on. The channel seems to be fine as well. If someone did screw up,
we'd appreciate any info as to the date this happened and what time zone
13:50 reflected in your logs was recorded at. I will nevertheless
alert other administrators to check with their operators. If you
go usermode +w, you should be able to track down the operator as well.
Uworld guidelines forbid its usage in circumstances where channel
ownership is under dispute. Further, interference with a channel for
personal reasons is definitely not tolerated. I'm cc'ing this to
other admins - I'm looking forward to any other information you
can supply us at ab...@undernet.org. Thanks.
Mmmm
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.96081...@proweb.cica.fr>,
--
Mandar Mirashi
Consultant, IBM/ISSC Maintainer: ftp.undernet.org,
Undernet IRC FAQ - ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.irc.undernet
For IRC help/Undernet information, check out http://www.undernet.org
Bill Haverberg
jupi...@tgn.net wrote:
>Patrick Blakely <st...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>OK the other side of the story.
Well, I'll try to run this off without looking like an ass-kisser, but
I've been on long enough to know this is as close to the truth as you
can get...although I'm sure admins and ircops and assorted others
could poke holes in this.
One thing, though, is I am really starting to get annoyed with ircops
and admins whining about users. Look, it's likely 90% of your
aggravation is caused by ignorant users who don't know what the
score really is, and expect something that just doesn't exist.
Write a faq, damnit! Call it the irc abuse faq or something. Vent your
spleen. Tell the unwashed proletariat just what is going on...I bet
90% of the irc users don't even know ircops are unpaid volunteers.
If you get a whiner, tell 'em to read that f*cking faq, and if they
whine some more, k-line them until they send you a polite EMail
stating they have read it. Or whatever.
-------------everything below is quoted---------------
>I am an IRCop on undernet, springfield server.
>It is astonishing to me that these claims are always made by those
Jeremy Nelson
Tony Miller <comput...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Sir, Why are you making a chat network free to these ungrateful users?
I dont run a service, but free to one, free to all.
>Sir, What sort of image is your network trying to promote?
Last time i looked, the undernet abandoned the image-spinning and
now just tries to cope with being a common carrier with no real frills
except that @#$@#$@$# channel service. I could be wrong, though.
>Sir, Is there a minimal level of conduct that is expected from IRCops?
No. There is no accountability to the users. There is accountability
to those who retain CN lines with your server, and that is all.
>Yes, but isn't that the main reason that the IRC networks are up? For
>the benefit of the "guests"? And if an IRCop and/or Admin treats a
>guest badly, don't they have to answer to the "Network Authorities"?
This isnt so much of an issue as it used to be. We cant shake people
away from irc with a stick, so being nasty wont deter anyone fromgoing
away. However, being nasty does show these cluebies that there are
people out there that do a lot of work keeping irc going and that
throwing around accusations as if they meant nothing doesnt piss them off.
But i know the sanitized world you want irc to be:
luser1: Youre a cock-=sucking corrupt bastard because you wont help me
right this very second to get my channel back! Dammit, im a busy
guy! I dont have time to wait for you to get your ass in gear!
Admin: Yes sir, No sir, whatever you say sir. Im sorry sir.
Luser2: Goddamit you people all suck. Ive asked already for help, and you
pantywastes wont help me out fix my channel, dammit, ive been
waiting 4 weeks for X to show up on my channel!
Admin: Yes sir, No sir, whatever you say sir, im Sorry sir.
Some of us just got plain sick of putting on the smiley face when some
ingrate spews forth hate because they dont like the speed of our (free)
service. They can leave, and good riddens to them.
Remember what the original poster said: "They helped channel X, but they
wont help channel Y -- All irc operators must be corrupt!"
I am not an admin or an operator because i need want to put up with
jerks. No thanks. Let some other sucker deal with that.
>Doesn't a guest have recourse when they are treated badly for no good
>reason?
The only recourse a user has is to type /quit, or maybe /server other.network
Thats it.
>I'm getting real fed up with these post which say in essence "you are
>a slug". You have no rights! Well, you might want to re-read the IRC
>FAQ, hop. And pay special attention to the part that says: "Remember
>that there are people on the other side of those screens. Real
>living, breathing people with feelings" <Poetic license taken>.
When the cluebies stop being arrogant assholes, ill stop berating them.
I dont need some johnny-come-lately saying that those who do a darn fine
job keeping the network going are "corrupt" because they dont (ab)use
uworld to fix every one of the five bazillion channels out there that
cant seem to figure out how keep their ops.
>I try and treat everyone I meet on IRC from Admin down to user with
>kindness. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I expect the same treatment
>from them.
Paraphrase from you-know-where:
"We tried that five years ago. It didnt work then, and it wont work now."
>You shouldn't whine... You should treat the operators with kindness.
Yea. im waiting. Im not an operator, but i dont like how operators are
being treated in these last few months.
>>You have no rights to anything.
>>I have no rights to anything.
>
>You have the right as a human being to be treated kindly by people you
>treat well.
I know you havent had a chance to rebut what ive said above, so i wont
shout it, but please do read this carefully:
Calling someone corrupt simply becuase they wont help you is NOT treating
people kindly. And i think it is unreasonable for you (or anyone) to assume
that a volunteer should (or would) have to put up with that.
>Are you an admin or server op? If so, kindly tell me which server so
>I can stay off it. If that attitude is pervalent, I don't want to
>even connect.
Spare me the whining attitude. Come down off your ivory tower and join
us in the real world where you too can try to G line people who flood and
then watch as they ICMP bomb you and then as they post to alt.irc calling
you a "sicko pervert crook" who is "corrupt" because they cared enough to
go after the bad guys.
Then watch as others who would-be-innocent whine to alt.irc and #wasteland
about the slow service theyre getting becuase youre taking too much time
getting the troublemakers and not enough time re-opping their channel.
I usually respect what you say becuase you show a penchant for reasonability,
but you are so far out of reality, that its not even funny any more.
Goddamit, leave the operators alone. They dont deserve to be treated like
assholes simply becuase the service is slow. They do a good job and im
sick and tired of opportunistic people being ungrateful about it. If that
attitude strikes you as being "unacceptable" to you, then i really feel
sorry for you. Imagine if people treated the police like they treat the
people who run irc. Oh wait. Maybe they already do. Maybe thats where
they get it from. Nahhhh.
-hop
Adam Noel Harris
[alt.irc.ircii trimmed, cluebies]
alchemist (sie...@mhv.net) was so upset by a posting he had to rant:
: you people have problems....im not just talking about this posting...i
: mean all of you...i dont believe how much you have overdramatised such a
: meaningless thing as irc problems...
Calm down. Cool off. There you go. Now repeat to yourself, "This is
only Usenet."
: is that your life?
Pretty much. Usenet rules.
: am i the only one who using irc for fun? just as a suggestion, please
: settle down/switch to decaf/get off prozac...
Am I the only one using Usenet for fun? Just a suggestion, please cut
down on the elipses. Stream of consciousness might make a great James
Joyce novel, but it's distracting in a Usenet post.
: to all the normal users- you are not being oppresed....
I don't think any "normal" users felt that way.
: to all the irc ops- no one cares about your position, so
: dont tell us how powerful you are and how you can do whatever you want,
: because no one cares
Just curious here - How many people do you think care about your feelings
about IRC ops if no one cares about the IRC ops themselves?
: unless they are the frieghteningly large population that considers irc
: thier life. so just shut up about politics, repression, unfairness, etc.
I realize that reading a Usenet post can frustrate you and cause you to
vent like this. But please, just shut up about it.
-Adam
<Maelcum> That's the dude who's always giving us trouble on alt.irc,
+isn't it?
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Tommy Galia
Patrick Blakely wrote:
>
> This is a common place on the Undernet. You did not mention the irc
> operators who did this. I am curious of who it was. They have done
> that to me several times, the Undernet operators even have helped child
> delinked for "political reasons". The rule of the Undernet is too kiss
> ass to irc ops to get favors froms them. Time and time it happens, the
> worse thing they ever did was to develop uworld. I would say try
> the other side of the story, but plain and simple, most irc operators
> are corrupt and do special favors all the time for people. Especially if
> you are homosexual running a gay room, they always seem to help those
> channels very quickly, while others who asked earlier wait or get
> ignored.
>
they are just enforcing undernet policy. But in others there is a
on a hackers channel where we have been denied help several times just
porn channels get help but I'm sure they do.
Kaehno
On 16 Aug 1996, Jeremy Nelson wrote:
> Tony Miller <comput...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Sir, Why are you making a chat network free to these ungrateful users?
> I dont run a service, but free to one, free to all.
I agree with both of you. I can see both arguments as valid and logical.
> >Sir, What sort of image is your network trying to promote?
> Last time i looked, the undernet abandoned the image-spinning and
> now just tries to cope with being a common carrier with no real frills
> except that @#$@#$@$# channel service. I could be wrong, though.
I don't know of many IRC networks attempting to create an image (not
including PSB and Friends' Christian Network *cough*) except for DalNet.
> >Sir, Is there a minimal level of conduct that is expected from IRCops?
> No. There is no accountability to the users. There is accountability
> to those who retain CN lines with your server, and that is all.
Technically, hop, I agree with you. Ethically, I'd have to agree with the
previous poster. IRCOps should have a code of conduct/behavior - IMHO.
When/If irc.good.net is up and running, I will see to it that the Opers on
that server DO have a code of conduct and will remove their O: o: if they
fail to follow it.
> >Yes, but isn't that the main reason that the IRC networks are up? For
> >the benefit of the "guests"? And if an IRCop and/or Admin treats a
> >guest badly, don't they have to answer to the "Network Authorities"?
> This isnt so much of an issue as it used to be. We cant shake people
> away from irc with a stick, so being nasty wont deter anyone fromgoing
> away. However, being nasty does show these cluebies that there are
> people out there that do a lot of work keeping irc going and that
> throwing around accusations as if they meant nothing doesnt piss them off.
Again, I agree on both sides. However, I'd have to point out that several
people don't care what's going on with the server admins just as long as
the 'damned servers' are working. It also seems to be a two way street.
'Lusers' as you call them and IRCGods (as the ircd now calls them), BOTH
play a part in how each percieves the other. Both sides have to work on
how others percieve them or nothing will be done. Also, I believe a
little more communication from both sides might get several problems
fixed... but I'm idealistic.
> But i know the sanitized world you want irc to be:
[inflammatory hypothetical conversation snipped]
It's a bit exaggerated, as I'm sure you intended. I don't think that IRC
could/should/would ever get to that level. ;-)
> Some of us just got plain sick of putting on the smiley face when some
> ingrate spews forth hate because they dont like the speed of our (free)
> service. They can leave, and good riddens to them.
In an odd sense, you actually sound like a server admin or Oper. (Is that
good or bad?) ;-)
> Remember what the original poster said: "They helped channel X, but they
> wont help channel Y -- All irc operators must be corrupt!"
Well, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one... ;-) I personally don't
believe it. Corrupt, no. Busy, yes.
> I am not an admin or an operator because i need want to put up with
> jerks. No thanks. Let some other sucker deal with that.
I suppose I am/will be a sucker? I better be a good one... ;-)
> >Doesn't a guest have recourse when they are treated badly for no good
> >reason?
> The only recourse a user has is to type /quit, or maybe /server other.network
> Thats it.
No.. I don't think that would be the only recourse. Talking to the server
admin about the Oper's behavior would probably help. I'm not talking wild
accusations either.
> >I'm getting real fed up with these post which say in essence "you are
> >a slug". You have no rights! Well, you might want to re-read the IRC
> >FAQ, hop. And pay special attention to the part that says: "Remember
> >that there are people on the other side of those screens. Real
> >living, breathing people with feelings" <Poetic license taken>.
> When the cluebies stop being arrogant assholes, ill stop berating them.
Not every luser/clubie/whatever is an arrogant asshole, but I do see what
you mean.
> I dont need some johnny-come-lately saying that those who do a darn fine
> job keeping the network going are "corrupt" because they dont (ab)use
> uworld to fix every one of the five bazillion channels out there that
> cant seem to figure out how keep their ops.
Heh. I've always wondered why people can't figure out /nick, much less
/mode. But hey, that's me.. ;-) Scary is the thought that I was actually
one of the people that actually READ the README and the help files before
I started tinkering with IRC... ;)
> >I try and treat everyone I meet on IRC from Admin down to user with
> >kindness. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I expect the same treatment
> >from them.
> Paraphrase from you-know-where:
> "We tried that five years ago. It didnt work then, and it wont work now."
Hrm, I'm not familiar with the source, and I won't question it. However,
if we discard the idea, we discard the possibility of making it happen
(?).
> >You shouldn't whine... You should treat the operators with kindness.
> Yea. im waiting. Im not an operator, but i dont like how operators are
> being treated in these last few months.
Well, I'm the first person to say that I've seen operators misuse their O:
lines.. and to tell you the truth, I don't blast all opers over it.
However, I DO agree with you. I've seen opers take a lot of heat lately
and it's downright.. annoying. They don't deserve it (most of them).
> >>You have no rights to anything.
> >>I have no rights to anything.
> >You have the right as a human being to be treated kindly by people you
> >treat well.
> I know you havent had a chance to rebut what ive said above, so i wont
> shout it, but please do read this carefully:
Your original post was a bit.. um blunt. People have certain fundamental
rights.. nothing special when applied to IRC.. but rights nonetheless..
It doesn't give them the right to berate opers because they fail to op or
restore ops in the channel -- yadda, yadda, yadda.
> Calling someone corrupt simply becuase they wont help you is NOT treating
> people kindly. And i think it is unreasonable for you (or anyone) to assume
> that a volunteer should (or would) have to put up with that.
I agree with you 100%.
> >Are you an admin or server op? If so, kindly tell me which server so
> >I can stay off it. If that attitude is pervalent, I don't want to
> >even connect.
The original poster was expressing a desire to stay off of a server with
such attitude... It almost sounds like a martyr (sp) complex.
> Spare me the whining attitude. Come down off your ivory tower and join
> us in the real world where you too can try to G line people who flood and
> then watch as they ICMP bomb you and then as they post to alt.irc calling
> you a "sicko pervert crook" who is "corrupt" because they cared enough to
> go after the bad guys.
I'm not familiar with the term 'GLine', but that's me. I understand your
feelings, but I do think that they could have been better stated for
clarity and peace of mind. Remember, "There is a person on the other side
of the computer screen."
> Then watch as others who would-be-innocent whine to alt.irc and #wasteland
> about the slow service theyre getting becuase youre taking too much time
> getting the troublemakers and not enough time re-opping their channel.
Well, no argument here. However, that's why you give more than yourself
an O: (o:) line, so that you don't have the responsibility and all the
work to do alone. Make O:'s and o:'s for people on sort of a shift... We
plan to have a day and evening admin over here. Hopefully, we'll have an
Admin and an Oper on during the day... and an admin and oper during the
night... (Yes, this is feasible.)
> Goddamit, leave the operators alone. They dont deserve to be treated like
> assholes simply becuase the service is slow. They do a good job and im
> sick and tired of opportunistic people being ungrateful about it. If that
> attitude strikes you as being "unacceptable" to you, then i really feel
> sorry for you. Imagine if people treated the police like they treat the
> people who run irc. Oh wait. Maybe they already do. Maybe thats where
> they get it from. Nahhhh.
100% agreement (not including the police remark). ;-)
------
Lead Technical Support Specialist
IRC Administrator (of policy and users at the moment) ;-)
ico...@goodnet.com / irca...@goodnet.com
ico...@netzone.com
alchemist
Kaehno wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Patrick Blakely wrote:
>
> Supposition and rumors in this case. Inaccuracy as well. Room = AOL.
> Channel = IRC = Internet. Romm != (not equal to) Channel. You also seem
> to have a strong hatred of Gay people. Maybe you'll get over it and maybe
> you won't. I have a motto that I always use, "Blind hatred is almost as
> bad as blind loyalty." Think about it.
>
>
>
> ---
> IRC Administrator
> ico...@netzone.com
you people have problems....im not just talking about this posting...i
mean all of you...i dont believe how much you have overdramatised such a
who using irc for fun? just as a suggestion, please settle down/switch
oppresed....to all the irc ops- no one cares about your position, so
dont tell us how powerful you are and how you can do whatever you want,
Eric Hauser
Tony Miller <comput...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Why don't you just lay off the operators backs? I sincerely
believe that all they are trying to do is there job, and it doesn't
help them to do that by having little whiners like you come to them
all the time...Go form your own IRC network if you have a
problem...I'm sure if you got an O:line you wouldn't be complaining...
Peace and Long Life,
------------------------------------
Eric Hauser
tre...@indy.net
tre...@prophet-indy.org
http://www.indy.net/~trekkie/
------------------------------------
M. Pastore
jupi...@tgn.net wrote:
>So how about the issue of "corrupt" IRCops on Undernet. Yes, let's
>talk about these "corrupt" individuals and how really awful they are:
>IRCops, myself included, work their asses off to make IRC life more
>bearble for the 10,000+ users that log on and off their servers every
>hour. I gave up chatting to my friends when I became an oper, because
>there simply isnt any time now for play on IRC. I opened myself to
>every abusive name a person can be called. I welcomed the huge work
>load and the long hours and the tired fingers and eyes. I don't
>begrudge it, I did it for a reason, one I stand behind 100%:
>~~~~Undernet should be fun for users and free of abusers.~~~
>Simplistic? Idealistic? So be it, but I believed it the very first
>time I operd up and I will believe it until the day I remember that I
>have a real life, and log off for good.
We see a lot of this in #Win95-Help. We're there to help, not to
punish, and more certainly not as a right. We do what we do as
volunteers, and we're not there for a user's personal amusement. We
don't hesitate to kick people who abuse their channel priveleges, and
ban people who repeatedly rip on the operators. What you said has a
lot of meaning for me and my fellow ops. Thank you.
Mike Pastore
past...@interaccess.com
Windows 95 Technical Support Operator
#Win95-Help Undernet IRC (Alakaboo)
Jeremy Nelson
I wrote:
>> Some of us just got plain sick of putting on the smiley face when some
>> ingrate spews forth hate because they dont like the speed of our (free)
>> service. They can leave, and good riddens to them.
Kaehno <ico...@goodnet.com> wrote:
>In an odd sense, you actually sound like a server admin or Oper. (Is that
>good or bad?) ;-)
I speak like one because i was one for far longer then my sanity would have
allowed me to. I quit with great joy out of general disgust for the job
May 1995. I just couldnt put on the smiley face another day.
>> When the cluebies stop being arrogant assholes, ill stop berating them.
>
>Not every luser/clubie/whatever is an arrogant asshole, but I do see what
>you mean.
Ah. Well, i dispute that point. I will very much say hapily that you are
correct. Not every luser is a cluebie. But all cluebies are arrogant
assholes. I admit that i was one, and im sure there are people who would
be happy to share the horror stories. But ive gotten beyond that. Most
irc users get beyond that. But you know what helps the cluebies get
to the next stage of competence? A nice slap upside the head with
reality. Im not going to coddle someone who wants to screw me, because
they have to learn at some time that this behavior isnt acceptable.
Once they get beyond that "im going to make all the operator's lives a
living hell", they become productive members of irc's society.
I hold no grudge towards lusers (A luser is a person who is not
an operator, in the classic irc-definition. I myself am a luser, and i am
very happy to be a luser.) I will berate any and all people who seem
to have a great misunderstanding of what irc is about.
>I'm not familiar with the term 'GLine', but that's me. I understand your
>feelings, but I do think that they could have been better stated for
>clarity and peace of mind. Remember, "There is a person on the other side
>of the computer screen."
RevWhite was taking over channels. One of the channels he took over was
a porn channel. Some operator made him look like a chump and got rid
of him and restored the channel to its previous state. RevWhite started
ICMP bombing said operator (said operator logged the attack, so the
validity isnt much in question) and was G lined. Then about 2 days
afterwards, RevWhite started the whole "sicko/pervert/crook" accusing
these operators of being child molesters. (PSB == RevWhite)
It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out why im pissed off
about this. Im not angry at anyone who plays devil's advocate for
PSB, because probably he deserves someone to ask us why we are
relentlessly dogging him, but it comes to a point where i just
get fed up with poeple who arent getting it.
-hop
Trikky T
Christophe Ruelle <rue...@proweb.cica.fr> Wrote, in his (or her)
infinite wisdom:
>I've read somewhere that IRC COP are some kind of clever IRC users here
>to help + resolve problems, right?
Of course, I should take this opportnity to let everyone know there is
no such thing as an IRC Cop. It is IRC op.....no second 'c'
That's it for Trikky's education today.
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> I've read somewhere that IRC COP are some kind of clever IRC users here
> to help + resolve problems, right?
I doubt seriously that you've ever read that anywhere. Why? Well,
because there's no such thing as an "IRC COP." IRCop is short for "IRC
Operator," which does not imply "police" to any rational person.
> I was used to be op on a _public_ channel #sexe - UNDERNET - for a month
> A girl came from _nowhere_ and said she knows some IRC COPS, and she will
> get the op just like she wants!
>
> So she asked her friends and she got the op + banned me.
A couple of points:
- My guess is that there's more to this story than just your side of it.
- If you had registered your channel rather than trying to run a bot
yourself, this never would have happened. Does it really take more effort
to email a registration form than to keep a pointless bot running? If
you're that lazy, go to DALnet where you can be supreme master of your
channel with a single /msg.
> reason: she is jalous of our work.
Oh, please. Get a life.
CrackBaby
caro...@uoknor.edu
<Marik/#humanism> <grin> man, my face is red. I just replied about 5 lines of vegetable comments on a UNIX channel. I wondered why nobody commented.
Anders Wikberg
I am KreoN on the undernet
And well I must say this must be a bunch of horse shit.
I have met a few IRC ops and I wonder... Why doesnt anyone mention all the
work they do?
I mean they sit there all day long takin care of Flooders and people doing
hostile takeovers. And I am also grateful for the service they all provide
in W and X.
SO why does not anyone say that they acctually do a good JOB!
They do help
And the only reason you bitch is because you want that title.
and If you want it I got one tip for you. START helping out And not just
abusing.
I dont care if you flood of child melestors. IF everyone follows this rule
" DONT FLOOD "
There will be no flooding.
So there now I have made pease to my mind :)
Trikky T <gday...@iceonline.com> wrote in article
Kaehno
On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, alchemist wrote:
This is probably a troll... but hey...
> you people have problems....im not just talking about this posting...i
> mean all of you...i dont believe how much you have overdramatised such a
> meaningless thing as irc problems...is that your life? am i the only one
> who using irc for fun? just as a suggestion, please settle down/switch
> to decaf/get off prozac...to all the normal users- you are not being
1.) I don't drink coffee. IMHO, it's the nastiest crap on the Earth -
next to PSB that is.
2.) I don't do Prozac (or any other form of drug - no not even caffiene).
3.) You seem to have missed the point already. IRC problems are NOT
meaningless. Otherwise, we wouldn't need IRCops, faqs, or help
files (but who reads those anyway?).
> oppresed....to all the irc ops- no one cares about your position, so
> dont tell us how powerful you are and how you can do whatever you want,
4.) I haven't seen any Oper saying how powerful/he she is.
> because no one cares, unless they are the frieghteningly large
> population that considers irc thier life. so just shut up about
> politics, repression, unfairness, etc.
5.) You're in serious need of a clue. Why? Hrm.. simple. People want to
use IRC. Therefore, there are people that need to service and
address these issues. If not, there wouldn't be IRC. SO, in
closing, you didn't have anything useful to say, so just stop
posting or using the Internet in general. You're a waste of
bandwidth.
----
Kaehno
On 17 Aug 1996, Jeremy Nelson wrote:
> I speak like one because i was one for far longer then my sanity would have
> allowed me to. I quit with great joy out of general disgust for the job
> May 1995. I just couldnt put on the smiley face another day.
I'm sorry you felt that way. Admittedly, the job wasn't/isn't an easy
one.
> living hell", they become productive members of irc's society.
We have productive members of a society now? Shoot them! ;-) Perhaps I
just have a different definition of luser and cluebie. ;-)
> very happy to be a luser.) I will berate any and all people who seem
> to have a great misunderstanding of what irc is about.
IRC is a fluid being and I dare say will never be static. There are bound
to be misunderstandings of IRC as it changes constantly... bear with those
that are just learning the ropes. :)
> RevWhite was taking over channels. One of the channels he took over was
> a porn channel. Some operator made him look like a chump and got rid
> of him and restored the channel to its previous state. RevWhite started
> ICMP bombing said operator (said operator logged the attack, so the
> validity isnt much in question) and was G lined. Then about 2 days
> afterwards, RevWhite started the whole "sicko/pervert/crook" accusing
> these operators of being child molesters. (PSB == RevWhite)
I know that PSB=RevWhite... that's what's so silly. He needs a lesson on
many things with IRC. I'm not the one that will give it to him. I won't
continue to smash PSB (at least in this posting).
> It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out why im pissed off
> about this. Im not angry at anyone who plays devil's advocate for
> PSB, because probably he deserves someone to ask us why we are
> relentlessly dogging him, but it comes to a point where i just
> get fed up with poeple who arent getting it.
True. I see your point. But 'dogging' people, as it were, needs to be
done with a certain point of view. Keep in mind that there are some
people out there that just won't get it no matter how much you 'dog'
them... I just isn't in their psychological makeup. ;-)
----
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IRC Administrator
ico...@goodnet.com / irca...@goodnet.com
ico...@netzone.com
mike&penny
HI dont go on glasscity.gamma.net or any links to it
if you do you will be sorry
this is admin abuse on user's and ircop's
ps trust me dont evn go there
giblet
caro...@uoknor.edu (CrackBaby) wrote:
<snip>
>- If you had registered your channel rather than trying to run a bot
>yourself, this never would have happened. Does it really take more effort
>to email a registration form than to keep a pointless bot running? If
>you're that lazy, go to DALnet where you can be supreme master of your
>channel with a single /msg.
And here is what happens when you have a registered channel on the
undernet. One day, you find ANOTHER 500 user on your channel, because
some hacker has decided that he would like to be an op. Then, you go
to #cservice, and are asked, "did you not request the addition of
bl...@bleh.net?" Then, if you are lucky, they will suspend that user,
and maybe after a couple days remove him. Then you get to wonder why
that person wasn't g-lined from the undernet servers.
mike&penny
HI THIS IS A WARNING TO USER OF NEW IRC SERVERS
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD SERVER KEEP LOOKING DONT TRY THIS ONE
<GLASSCITY.GAMMA.NET>
CUZ YOU WILL BE SORRY <TRUST ME I LEARNED MY LESSON
HE WILL K-LINE YOU FOR NOTHING RELLY <THANK'S >
PS IF YOU READ THIS JESSE YOU LAMER <JERK>
PSB
>
> > I speak like one because i was one for far longer then my sanity would have
> > allowed me to. I quit with great joy out of general disgust for the job
> > May 1995. I just couldnt put on the smiley face another day.
>
> I'm sorry you felt that way. Admittedly, the job wasn't/isn't an easy
> one.
>
> > living hell", they become productive members of irc's society.
>
> We have productive members of a society now? Shoot them! ;-) Perhaps I
> just have a different definition of luser and cluebie. ;-)
>
> > very happy to be a luser.) I will berate any and all people who seem
> > to have a great misunderstanding of what irc is about.
>
> IRC is a fluid being and I dare say will never be static. There are bound
> to be misunderstandings of IRC as it changes constantly... bear with those
> that are just learning the ropes. :)
>
> > RevWhite was taking over channels. One of the channels he took over was
> > a porn channel. Some operator made him look like a chump and got rid
> > of him and restored the channel to its previous state. RevWhite started
> > ICMP bombing said operator (said operator logged the attack, so the
> > validity isnt much in question) and was G lined. Then about 2 days
> > afterwards, RevWhite started the whole "sicko/pervert/crook" accusing
> > these operators of being child molesters. (PSB == RevWhite)
the same provider I do. second of all you child molester defender, you
can't ICMP from AT&T you dope, they have no unix service So you are
lying big time on this one. >
I know that PSB=RevWhite... that's what's so silly. He needs a lesson
on
> many things with IRC. I'm not the one that will give it to him. I won't
> continue to smash PSB (at least in this posting).
> Smash? the reason this generates so much response on the newgroup, is
that you all know it is true. If it had no merit, no one would be
posting to these postings.
> > It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out why im pissed off
> > about this. Im not angry at anyone who plays devil's advocate for
> > PSB, because probably he deserves someone to ask us why we are
> > relentlessly dogging him, but it comes to a point where i just
> > get fed up with poeple who arent getting it.
> Dogging me? You just can't admit that child molesters have irc
operator protection. And if you are homosexual, the irc operators will
go out of their way to thelp those channels.>
True. I see your point. But 'dogging' people, as it were, needs to be
> done with a certain point of view. Keep in mind that there are some
> people out there that just won't get it no matter how much you 'dog'
> them... I just isn't in their psychological makeup. ;-)
>
> ----Remember irc op, you must police your own undernet or the government
will do it for you. Your choice. Choose wisely.
> Lead Technical Support Specialist
> IRC Administrator
> ico...@goodnet.com / irca...@goodnet.com
> ico...@netzone.com
Dennis Moore
mike&penny (dum...@lightlink.com) wrote:
: HI THIS IS A WARNING TO USER OF NEW IRC SERVERS
mike and penny, i'd like to you to meet greg and kylie.. y'all should get
together sometime. you seem to have quite a bit in common.
--
pity this busy monster, manunkind, Dennis Moore Sarah
not. Progress is a comfortable disease. arc...@tamu.edu McLachlan
-e.e. cummings: One Times One archon on the irc "Black"
If i cried me a river of all my confessions would i drown in my shallow regret?
Mandar Mirashi
In article <4v746r$1...@library.airnews.net>, giblet <gib...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>And here is what happens when you have a registered channel on the
>undernet. One day, you find ANOTHER 500 user on your channel, because
>some hacker has decided that he would like to be an op. Then, you go
>to #cservice, and are asked, "did you not request the addition of
>bl...@bleh.net?" Then, if you are lucky, they will suspend that user,
>and maybe after a couple days remove him. Then you get to wonder why
>that person wasn't g-lined from the undernet servers.
>
Giblet,
I'm not involved with cservice but I'll try to help. It's quite possible
that someone might have mistakenly added an address (cservice adds dozens
of channels each week ya know, and they're all volunteers). If you suspect
an X/W bug, please let me know. I'm cc'ing my reply to the X/W coder and
cservice, so we can get an update. Please forward all information about
the incident you may have to cser...@undernet.org. Thanks
Mmmm
Tony Miller
nel...@cs.uwp.edu (Jeremy Nelson) wrote:
>Tony Miller <comput...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>Sir, Why are you making a chat network free to these ungrateful users?
>I dont run a service, but free to one, free to all.
You didn't answer the question. The question was "why" do you provide
a chat network, not what the definition of one is or isn't.
>>Sir, What sort of image is your network trying to promote?
>Last time i looked, the undernet abandoned the image-spinning and
>now just tries to cope with being a common carrier with no real frills
>except that @#$@#$@$# channel service. I could be wrong, though.
So you are just "floating along" with no mission? Check out the "why"
question above.
>>Sir, Is there a minimal level of conduct that is expected from IRCops?
>No. There is no accountability to the users. There is accountability
>to those who retain CN lines with your server, and that is all.
Again, what is your mission? What is the reason for the IRC network
to "be". I think you have to get into the lotus position, look
intently at your navel, and figure out why you are doing this. :-)
>>Yes, but isn't that the main reason that the IRC networks are up? For
>>the benefit of the "guests"? And if an IRCop and/or Admin treats a
>>guest badly, don't they have to answer to the "Network Authorities"?
>This isnt so much of an issue as it used to be. We cant shake people
>away from irc with a stick, so being nasty wont deter anyone fromgoing
>away. However, being nasty does show these cluebies that there are
>people out there that do a lot of work keeping irc going and that
>throwing around accusations as if they meant nothing doesnt piss them off.
No, being nasty shows that lameness promotes nastiness. It doesn't
help the lamers become better IRC "citizens", it just reflects badly
on you.
What, IMO, you ought to be doing is treating all people with kindness
while helping the "cluebies" get a "clue". And if after repeated
"offenses", give them the boot. Not for revenge because they are
"lame" and "clueless", but for the protection of the other individuals
on the network.
>But i know the sanitized world you want irc to be:
Sorry, hop, I'm an unrepentant idealist. I see the best in all
people.
>luser1: Youre a cock-=sucking corrupt bastard because you wont help me
> right this very second to get my channel back! Dammit, im a busy
> guy! I dont have time to wait for you to get your ass in gear!
>Admin: Yes sir, No sir, whatever you say sir. Im sorry sir.
>Luser2: Goddamit you people all suck. Ive asked already for help, and you
> pantywastes wont help me out fix my channel, dammit, ive been
> waiting 4 weeks for X to show up on my channel!
>Admin: Yes sir, No sir, whatever you say sir, im Sorry sir.
"Sticks and stones", hop. :-) I've been called names before. the end
of it is as close as /IGNORE. You're a big boy, aren't you? you can
take a little taunting. Just don't provide the service to ingrates.
Maybe your style is a little different from what mine would be. :-)
Might be time to take a vacation.
>Some of us just got plain sick of putting on the smiley face when some
>ingrate spews forth hate because they dont like the speed of our (free)
>service. They can leave, and good riddens to them.
Cool, you don't help them, and they will drift away and good riddance.
>Remember what the original poster said: "They helped channel X, but they
>wont help channel Y -- All irc operators must be corrupt!"
Hehehe... i remember the original post. Thank you for reminding me
:-)
>I am not an admin or an operator because i need want to put up with
>jerks. No thanks. Let some other sucker deal with that.
And my thanks is to those who wear the mantle. And my respect is with
those who wear the mantle well. (No names as the risk of appearing to
be brown-nosing :-))
>>Doesn't a guest have recourse when they are treated badly for no good
>>reason?
>The only recourse a user has is to type /quit, or maybe /server other.network
>Thats it.
That's pretty sad. If you don't like it here, f*ck you. Again, the
question is "why".
>>I'm getting real fed up with these post which say in essence "you are
>>a slug". You have no rights! Well, you might want to re-read the IRC
>>FAQ, hop. And pay special attention to the part that says: "Remember
>>that there are people on the other side of those screens. Real
>>living, breathing people with feelings" <Poetic license taken>.
>When the cluebies stop being arrogant assholes, ill stop berating them.
>I dont need some johnny-come-lately saying that those who do a darn fine
>job keeping the network going are "corrupt" because they dont (ab)use
>uworld to fix every one of the five bazillion channels out there that
>cant seem to figure out how keep their ops.
Sigh! Well, you're entitled to your opinion, too.
>>I try and treat everyone I meet on IRC from Admin down to user with
>>kindness. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I expect the same treatment
>>from them.
>Paraphrase from you-know-where:
>"We tried that five years ago. It didnt work then, and it wont work now."
That's realy too bad :-(
>>You shouldn't whine... You should treat the operators with kindness.
>Yea. im waiting. Im not an operator, but i dont like how operators are
>being treated in these last few months.
>>>You have no rights to anything.
>>>I have no rights to anything.
>>
>>You have the right as a human being to be treated kindly by people you
>>treat well.
>I know you havent had a chance to rebut what ive said above, so i wont
>shout it, but please do read this carefully:
>Calling someone corrupt simply becuase they wont help you is NOT treating
>people kindly. And i think it is unreasonable for you (or anyone) to assume
>that a volunteer should (or would) have to put up with that.
Abusing people is not right, and in this I agree with you. But
ranting back, /KILLing them or other punitive measures does not make
you look good either.
>>Are you an admin or server op? If so, kindly tell me which server so
>>I can stay off it. If that attitude is pervalent, I don't want to
>>even connect.
>Spare me the whining attitude. Come down off your ivory tower and join
>us in the real world where you too can try to G line people who flood and
>then watch as they ICMP bomb you and then as they post to alt.irc calling
>you a "sicko pervert crook" who is "corrupt" because they cared enough to
>go after the bad guys.
I apologize if you interpreted this as "whining", but I'll reiterate
that I'm an unrepentant idealist, and as such try to see the good in
everyone. I can ignore the slings and arrows of the clueless lamers.
>Then watch as others who would-be-innocent whine to alt.irc and #wasteland
>about the slow service theyre getting becuase youre taking too much time
>getting the troublemakers and not enough time re-opping their channel.
Thank heavens for ChanServ :-)
>I usually respect what you say becuase you show a penchant for reasonability,
>but you are so far out of reality, that its not even funny any more.
You might be right. I guess I'd have to walk a mile in an IRCop's
shoes to see if I could keep my "unrealistic" attitude. But this
isn't meant as a dig. It's just a discussion. If you are becoming
offended, it's time to terminate this thread. :-(
>Goddamit, leave the operators alone. They dont deserve to be treated like
>assholes simply becuase the service is slow. They do a good job and im
>sick and tired of opportunistic people being ungrateful about it. If that
>attitude strikes you as being "unacceptable" to you, then i really feel
>sorry for you. Imagine if people treated the police like they treat the
>people who run irc. Oh wait. Maybe they already do. Maybe thats where
>they get it from. Nahhhh.
It's possible. But police run a "service" organization. They are
designed to "protect and serve". Hmmm... "Protect and Serve" that's
a great motto... :-)
Don't get me wrong. You won't fine a stronger cheerleader for the
IRCops and admins. I have nothing but praise (at least on DALnet) for
those I have had the pleasure of dealing with.
Tony Miller
tre...@indy.net (Eric Hauser ) wrote:
>Tony Miller <comput...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Why don't you just lay off the operators backs? I sincerely
>believe that all they are trying to do is there job, and it doesn't
>help them to do that by having little whiners like you come to them
>all the time...Go form your own IRC network if you have a
>problem...I'm sure if you got an O:line you wouldn't be complaining...
Excuse me? What exactly are you referring to?
Tommy Galia
Anders Wikberg wrote:
>
> I am KreoN on the undernet
>
> And well I must say this must be a bunch of horse shit.
> I have met a few IRC ops and I wonder... Why doesnt anyone mention all the
> work they do?
> I mean they sit there all day long takin care of Flooders and people doing
> hostile takeovers. And I am also grateful for the service they all provide
> in W and X.
> SO why does not anyone say that they acctually do a good JOB!
> They do help
good job with their power in the past few days. 1:buff 2:helix
3:vaporlock.
Joe Martin
alchemist wrote:
>
> Kaehno wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Patrick Blakely wrote:
> >
>
> > Supposition and rumors in this case. Inaccuracy as well. Room = AOL.
> > Channel = IRC = Internet. Romm != (not equal to) Channel. You also seem
> > to have a strong hatred of Gay people. Maybe you'll get over it and maybe
> > you won't. I have a motto that I always use, "Blind hatred is almost as
> > bad as blind loyalty." Think about it.
> >
> > > Politics is the way of the Undernet. Sorry but just saying the truth.
> >
> > Politics are everywhere. So, exactly, what is your point?
> >
> > ---
> > IRC Administrator
> > ico...@goodnet.com / irca...@goodnet.com
> > ico...@netzone.com
> mean all of you...i dont believe how much you have overdramatised such a
> meaningless thing as irc problems...is that your life? am i the only one
> who using irc for fun? just as a suggestion, please settle down/switch
> to decaf/get off prozac...to all the normal users- you are not being
> dont tell us how powerful you are and how you can do whatever you want,
> population that considers irc thier life. so just shut up about
Congratulations, sierra, for saying something that has been on my mind
for some time. I, for one, am becoming very weary of hearing supposedly
adult human beings bitch, cry, moan and wail over something as
insignificant as IRC. In the overall scheme of things, this amounts to
exactly nothing.
Again, good job and have a great day.
Joe Martin
jay...@voyageronline.net
Robert Miller
Joe Martin wrote:
> Congratulations, sierra, for saying something that has been on my mind
> for some time. I, for one, am becoming very weary of hearing supposedly
> adult human beings bitch, cry, moan and wail over something as
> insignificant as IRC. In the overall scheme of things, this amounts to
> exactly nothing.
> HERE!! HERE!!!
After all, it's only text! Ya don't like what someone is saying? /igonre
You don't like seeing all those !!!channelnames?? Filter em out of your
list. OR, find a coupla channels where you have friends and chat!!
George Erhard
we see this a lot in the 'specialty' channels as well... someone
will come in, scope out anyone with a '@' in front of their name, and
use them as target practice for their flood scripts or what have you...
if they don't go for the whole channel. They don't do this because they
have a grudge against anyone... just because they CAN and they can get
away with it.
Unfortunately, not everyone has the attitude yet that disrupting
a conversation in an IRC channel is very much like walking into a
coffeeshop in seattle's U-district and tipping all of the tables over.
maybe when VR catches on to the extent that such behavior on the
net will get you virtually pummeled about the head and shoulders (and
when you get kicked you will FEEL the pavement bruise your butt) we will
see less of this.. but in the meantime the IRCops are the only people
around who can enforce some semblance of order and stability.
george erhard
aka dcnblues (undernet)
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There is no such thing as an "IRC COP". It is either an IRC Op or IRC
Admin.
Gadjit
In article <4v6adc$i...@majesty.lightlink.com>,
mike&penny <dum...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> HI THIS IS A WARNING TO USER OF NEW IRC SERVERS
> IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD SERVER KEEP LOOKING DONT TRY THIS ONE
> <GLASSCITY.GAMMA.NET>
> CUZ YOU WILL BE SORRY <TRUST ME I LEARNED MY LESSON
> HE WILL K-LINE YOU FOR NOTHING RELLY <THANK'S >
> PS IF YOU READ THIS JESSE YOU LAMER <JERK>
look moron, keep your personal grievances to yourself. And this is the
alt.irc.UNDERNET list, we don't give a shit about what network this server
belongs to.
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In article <4v69dj$i...@majesty.lightlink.com>,
I'm really ashamed it took me this long to figure out how to killfile
in trn by From: ..
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McNealis
mike&penny <dum...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> HI dont go on glasscity.gamma.net or any links to it
> if you do you will be sorry
> this is admin abuse on user's and ircop's
> ps trust me dont evn go there
Give it up. you're getting on my nerves!
Robert Miller
McNealis wrote:
>
> mike&penny <dum...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> > HI dont go on glasscity.gamma.net or any links to it
> > ps trust me dont evn go there
>
> Give it up. you're getting on my nerves!
Actually, after reading this post. I just HAVE to try it!!
NaPNeT
All other IRCnets suck...one that kicks ass is BNCnet irc.starwell.com
Jason T. Nelson <ja...@verdi.jlc.net> wrote in article
<4vqte7$l...@verdi.jlc.net>...
> In article <4v69dj$i...@majesty.lightlink.com>,
> mike&penny <dum...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> > HI dont go on glasscity.gamma.net or any links to it
> > if you do you will be sorry
> > this is admin abuse on user's and ircop's
> > ps trust me dont evn go there
>
McNealis
Robert Miller <rmmi...@loop.com> wrote in article
<3221E8...@loop.com>...
> McNealis wrote:
> >
> > mike&penny <dum...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> > > HI dont go on glasscity.gamma.net or any links to it
>
> >
>
> Actually, after reading this post. I just HAVE to try it!!
>
Robert Miller
McNealis wrote:
> > Actually, after reading this post. I just HAVE to try it!!
> >
> Try what? Giving it up?
hahaha
No, actually try glasscity.gamma.net. I don't understand the original
posters problem. the couple of times I dropped in, there were only 8-15
people on the whole net.
kinda refreshing. :))
Mandar Mirashi
In article <3225ce0b...@news.willowtree.com>,
macker <mac...@akamail.com> wrote:
>doesn't do so and "pull the rug from under me" ;) BTW, you have no
>idea how many times i've heard it, "X and W are a piece of sh*t. I
>wouldn't be caught dead with them in my channel." Enough said.
>
> -macker
Macker,
Ideas for improvements to X/W can be sent to cser...@undernet.org
and se...@alias.undernet.org. Hope these folks can contribute something
positive :-)
Later..
macker
caro...@uoknor.edu (CrackBaby) wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:46:40 +0100, Christophe Ruelle
><rue...@proweb.cica.fr> wrote:
>
>> I've read somewhere that IRC COP are some kind of clever IRC users here
>> to help + resolve problems, right?
>
> I doubt seriously that you've ever read that anywhere. Why? Well,
>because there's no such thing as an "IRC COP." IRCop is short for "IRC
>Operator," which does not imply "police" to any rational person.
Heheheh... time to disagree... They enforce the rules of the IRC
server/network and therefore act as "police". And an IRCop usually is
more knowledgable than a non-IRCop (although I can think of one case
where a 17-y/o girl got IRCop's on EF by means I wont go into...).
>> I was used to be op on a _public_ channel #sexe - UNDERNET - for a month
>> A girl came from _nowhere_ and said she knows some IRC COPS, and she will
>> get the op just like she wants!
>>
>> So she asked her friends and she got the op + banned me.
>
>A couple of points:
>
>- My guess is that there's more to this story than just your side of it.
I noticed another post "Re: IRC COP ABUSE ???" which seems to adress
the reasons for this... may not still be on some news servers, it's
been a while since i've updated my ng's as is... <chuckle> I believe
it was dated 8/17 but don't hold me to it.
To address the issue of IRCop's being "corrupt" and such... well...
all I have to say on this issue is IRCop's are humans just like
everyone else, and being humans their enforcement of the rules may be
influenced... I recall Dal-Net's meeting where they announced the new
AUP on warez and porn... one of the IRCop's present stated he was
"heavily into warez" when he was younger... do we really want to try
and tell ourselves that some of these IRCop's aren't still into warez
and/or feel sympathetic to warez chans, etc? Does this not also apply
to porn? Are IRCop's some sort of bot who does not have feelings and
who don't respond to social engineering just like anyone else?
Hope I haven't given some nefarious person any ideas... heh.
>- If you had registered your channel rather than trying to run a bot
>yourself, this never would have happened. Does it really take more effort
>to email a registration form than to keep a pointless bot running? If
>you're that lazy, go to DALnet where you can be supreme master of your
>channel with a single /msg.
All I have to say about the bot thing, etc. is if I was running a
channel on Undernet (which I don't) I would put in 1 or 2 eggdrop bots
and the only reason I would register it is to insure someone else
doesn't do so and "pull the rug from under me" ;) BTW, you have no
idea how many times i've heard it, "X and W are a piece of sh*t. I
wouldn't be caught dead with them in my channel." Enough said.
-macker
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electel t`iln'rve litser
Robert Miller posted this to alt.irc.undernet. For shame, Robert Miller!:
: McNealis wrote:
: > > Actually, after reading this post. I just HAVE to try it!!
: > >
: > Try what? Giving it up?
: No, actually try glasscity.gamma.net. I don't understand the original
: posters problem. the couple of times I dropped in, there were only 8-15
: people on the whole net.
: kinda refreshing. :))
Well, I'm on Gamma *AND* Under *AND* DAL right now, as usual. And I can
honestly say that I much pefer Gamma to both when I just want to talk with a
friend or something. Minimal splits, minimal lag, and not too many people.
And no, I'm *NOT* predjudiced just because I have an O: there. (was offered
to me. *blush*) I'm not advertising or saying you just 'HAVE TO GO USE
GAMMANET CUZ YOU GET FREE IRC COPS' or whatever. I'm just saying that
sometimes smaller networks are nice. Undernet has it's nice points, DALnet
has it's nice points, and Gamma has it's. And if you wanna flame me for this
post, do it in private email. I think I speak for everyone when I say I'm
sick of the stupid 3 line flames.. and just flames in general.
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