Part 85: Barbara Schwarz reveals shocking news!
Barbara Schwarz
member since mid 80s.) I want to cite something from one of their
reports under headline "Safeguarding Religious Freedom".
I quote: International pressure has continued to build to get Germany
to follow its constitution and protect the religious freedom and human
rights of its citizens. In the past year, the United States annual
Human Right report and the U.S. Trade Representative again cited
Germany for religious discrimination and human rights offenses. U.S.
delegations have visited Germany while letters of criticism have been
sent from the White House. - For decades the Church has persisted in
demanding justice on the legal front in Germany and major
breakthroughs were made this year. After a case was won in the Federal
Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
and declared that Church staff are "seeking idealistic purposes and
spiritual perfection through the teachings of Scientology". The German
Federal Tax Court forced the government to recognize the tax-exempt
status of Scientology Missions International, IHelp and the Church of
Scientology International and to return all taxes that had been
wrongly collected since 1994. - The Church also took actions that
corrected another long running injustice, one which not coincidentally
began in 1984, the same year the IAS was founded and reflective the
oppression at that time. In that year, tax officials arrived in the
Munich Church with orders to seize all financial records. From there,
they concocted massive arbitrary tax bills, going all the way back to
1971. They made hostile, generalized claims and resisted the Church's
efforts to clear up the lies. Now, after nearly two decades and as
many years of IAS support, the battle to right that injustice has been
won. When the original tax official responsible for the 1984 assault
was confronted by the judge, he finally admitted that the figures had
been manufactured to create the worst possible scenario for the
Church. The judge gave the Bavarian tax office a simple ultimatum and,
after 19 years, the tax office has not only withdrawn all charges,
they are paying the church's court fees and returning all of the taxes
that were illegally collected."
End of quote.
Why do I cite that here in my series about my personal life? Because I
was in 1984 the President of the Church of Scientolgy Germany.
District Attorney and now judge, Juergen Keltsch, supervised the raid.
Helmuth Bloebaum, the current president of same org, told me that
Keltsch had his nose during the raid mainly in a about me. Yes, it is
that Keltsch who kidnapped me from Copenhagen, arrested me on
fabricated charges and denied any contact to an attorney or
Scientologist to me for many weeks. (Case was dismissed later, after I
had suffered through months of their "deprogramming" attempts.)
Needless to say, that also the Bavarian tax office came after me,
ordered me to appear before them and hoped that I would turn against
Scientology, after I was outed. I did not, as I knew that the people
that kicked me out were infiltrators and no Scientologists.
I am deeply offended to read about the fabrications by the the
Bavarian tax office. I also take the tax office fabrications personal,
as I was the President of the Munich org in that time. The Germans are
indeed absolutely lawless and still suffer under the same intolerance
that escalated before against the Jews and other minorities. They
treat Scientologists like criminals and are criminals themselves.
Rosemarie Bretschneider (RB) mails me sometimes a document from those
former times. A few days ago, she mailed me a letter which I never had
seen before. It is from a Herr Fastenmeier, an administrator
(Verwaltungsamtmann) of the Munich Kreisverwaltungsreferat (KVR),
Munich, room 3117, (Geschaeftsnumber) file no: KVR/1/23-1-419/84
Fa/Gn, dated September 25, 1984. He sent that letter to RB under
subject: (Bussgeldverfahren), fine proceeding against Barbara Schwarz
of violation against the law about the press. He wrote that a decree
about that matter was issued against me on August 14, 1984, Az.
KVR/I/231-419/84 Re/Gn.
Needless to say, I have not committed that law violation, I have no
clue what the matter is about, and the matter never was prosecuted or
executed, as the Germans fabricated it as they manufactured so many
other matters against L. Ron Hubbard and Scientologists. (Remember
Haack, the German? His father's name was listed on German Nazi lists
as one of their own. He was the first attacker of L. Ron Hubbard,
before Dianetics was published. Trust me your extremism against Ron
and SCN is German Nazi originated and based. You are working in their
favors.)
Fastenmeier gave no details as to what I have allegedly done wrong,
but he tried to obtain private information about me which were none of
his business. You won't believe how deep he tried so stick is nose in
my personal affairs. He indicated that RB had correspondence with him
on August 23, 1984 about that I was outed as German Scientology
President. She wrote him that I was kicked out on February 2, 1984,
and that the Munich org law firm replied on August 27, 1984 in a
pleading that I would work in Copenhagen but that they don't know my
exact address. Fastenmeier informed that he had contact with Juerg
Stettler of the German C of S, who informed them that I would be not
in Germany, but that he would substitute for me and would be pleased
to respond on my behalf in that matter. Fastenmeier wrote that
Stettler wrote him a letter dated May 28, 1984, not mentioning that I
was outed from Scientology but all the opposite, that Stettler
provided Fastenmeier even with personal information about me.
Fastenmeier asked RB to clear the contrary data, as they would not
understand the answer of the law firm. She wrote me that she did not
more reply to this letter.
Juerg Stettler had no authority to speak for me and volunteer any data
to those Germans, which are still the same old Nazis. He was not the
President of the Church of Scientology Germany, and he illegally
denied me access to the Munich org while I still was the president,
but this is no data that he forwarded to Fastenmeier. Stettler is as
unscientological as it gets. When the German authorities came after
him, he flew to the Swiss, but it's alright with him to send them
after me! His guy has such a double moral. Stettler also did not
inform me about that pending penal matter that the Germans fabricated
against me.
RB also mailed me now a copy of the letter that Munich psych Nedopil
sent to Stettler in 1984. Wogish infiltrator Stettler indeed visited
the psychs and provided hostile information against me which the
psychs used against me to keep me in their "deprogramming" session for
8 months. (And what I saw with my own eyes in those institutions made
me to an eye witness about psychiatric un-professionalism and their
crimes against the humanities.)
Stettler was asked by the Munich psychs to provide them with data
about SCN, which he apparently did, instead telling them that
psychiatry is a junk science and that he will not work with them nor
for them to hold a Scientologist or any other person against her will.
But as Stettler is no real Scientologist, he of course did not act
scientological and ethical.
He saw the psychs on October 23, 2003 at 3 pm at Beethovenplatz 4, in
Munich. Ingo Heinemann a long time SCN persecutor participated as well
(read about that lawless man in the former installment of this series)
so did a former Scientologist, an apostate, whose name was concealed,
but I believe it was Erick Fritsch, the husband of the Hamburg SCN
Missionholder, a man who never met me, but also falsely claimed to be
an expert on me. He also lied about me.
Psych Nedopil told me later that he was surprised that the org did not
put more of a fight up to get me out. He concealed that Larry Forgreen
came from Copenhagen to help me out, but as Larry is a real
Scientologist and not an infiltrator as Jurg Stettler and Georg
Stoffel, he was not allowed to see me. But as far as Stettler and the
CCHR man Stoffel are concerned, they rather conspired against me
together with the psychs. Stoffel did not come by once but wrote a
nasty and false report about me in the SCN paper freedom, the German
edition, supporting the psychs, and Stettler sold me directly out out
them.
What a bunch of hypocritical traitors the SCN infiltrators are. And if
their wog case officers tell them to leave the orgs, they become
suddenly enemies of SCN and attack SCN from the outside.
Barbara Schwarz
Tilman Hausherr
Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
>After a case was won in the Federal
>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
<til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
>Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
>
>>After a case was won in the Federal
>>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
>
>Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
Thanks tilman, for pointing out yet another example
of Scientology LIES..
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
Support http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Sharky
"Tilman Hausherr" <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in message
news:rnaeuvsp3tm8ff034...@4ax.com...
> On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
>
> >After a case was won in the Federal
> >Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
>
> Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
That is not true.
Sharky
"arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:s6jeuv0b41i8uh29r...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:34:12 +0100, Tilman Hausherr
> <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>
> >On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> >Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
> >
> >>After a case was won in the Federal
> >>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
> >
> >Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
It is true. You liar.
>
> Thanks tilman, for pointing out yet another example
> of Scientology LIES..
>
Thanks Arnie for applauding the pathologic liar Tilman and his lies.
Get the facts, you may look less dumb.
Revd. Norle Enturbulata
"Sharky" <shar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Your simply saying that is so convincing. I'm sure you've just settled the
whole thing altogether.
--
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
- LRH's "Creation of Human Ability" p251
Sharky
"Revd. Norle Enturbulata" <nopeeart...@norhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharky" <shar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1lIFb.112917$8y1.350605@attbi_s52...
> >
> > "Tilman Hausherr" <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in message
> > news:rnaeuvsp3tm8ff034...@4ax.com...
> > > On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> > > Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
> > >
> > > >After a case was won in the Federal
> > > >Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
> > >
> > > Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
> >
> > That is not true.
>
> Your simply saying that is so convincing. I'm sure you've just settled
the
> whole thing altogether.
>
Funny that is: shouldn't it be like this?
> > > >After a case was won in the Federal
> > > >Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
> > >
> > > Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
>> Your simply saying that is so convincing. I'm sure you've just settled
the
>> whole thing altogether.
Desertphile
> I received the IAS Annual Report 2002-2003 with the mail. (I am IAS
> member since mid 80s.) I want to cite something from one of their
Meanwhile, here in the *REAL* world, you're still unable to produce
any convincing evidence that Nazis are controlling much (if not most)
of humanity via invisible ear implants, let alone that they have done
so since at least the year 1692 (where you claimed Nazis were
responsible for "The Salem Witch Trials"). What is taking you so long
to produce *ANY* valid evidence for your claims?
Also, why have you refused to answer the question of if you were crazy
before Scientology happened to you, or was Scientology brainwashing
responsible?
--
http://desertphile.org
The I.C.R. Cult Exposed: http://holysmoke.org/icr-cult.htm
"Scientology: the 'science' of making money." http://holysmoke.org/theta.htm
arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
wrote:
Hey dude, I'm not following some clown who missed catching a
freighttrain on venus
http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/
and good to see a direct yaude clone backing up barbara Im not
working for osa schwartz
have a nice holiday, oh, did you get my card?
Arnie Lerma
http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard3.htm
"He legalized robbery, called it belief
...invented memories.....
then closed all the gates"
Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms Album
L Ron Hubbard - The KING of CONS! - Page Three
Go to: Page ONE ----- Page TWO ----- Page FOUR
If scientology were an auto manufacturer
They would build huge, impressive manufacturing facilities.
They would train people for years and years on how to build their
cars.
They would sell expensive courses on how to drive the new car.
They would award pretty, impressive, golden certificates of completion
of the various courses in how to drive or build their car.
Anyone completing any step of the driving, or operation or maintenance
training for the new cars would always be asked to write a "success
story" which was printed in the glossy brochures touting the new car.
Those waiting for their cars were persuaded that the fate of the world
would hinge upon building their cars.
They would open lots of sales offices all over the world to sell their
wonderful cars.
They would publish detailed long and lengthy manuals about how the car
was built.
When activists posted these manuals anonymously, They would say they
were forgeries.
When activists tried to publish portions of these manuals, to
authenticate them as being the real deal, and to show you how silly
they were, they would be sued with Trade secret and copyright claims.
They would take advance deposits for delivery of their cars.
They would show you glitzy illustrations of their cars printed in
glossy magazines.
They would have mass meetings of their car buyers
Anyone that doubted that they were "really" making cars would be
expelled.
Families would be broken up when one would try and explain these facts
to the other.
Everyone waiting for their car eventually died, many who perhaps would
not wait, died under mysterious circumstance.
Those seeking to litigate because they didn't get a car were 'ruined
utterly if possible' by a roomful of lawyers and/or silence by gag
agreement and an army of sometimes sleazy private investigators.
Anyone warning the public that they never deliver cars would be
silenced.
They would organize those that had ordered their cars into pressure
groups, to sell more cars to targeted market segments.
When the government tried to expose the car manufacturer, they would
re-organize their sales offices into a Religion of Car Buyers.
Claiming there was a constitutional right for folks to believe their
cars were going to be delivered.
Anyone trying to publicize any of the points in this article would be
"de-popularized" or "dead agented" or framed for crimes to discredit
them.
Groups and Indviduals that sprang up to expose this fraud would be
infiltrated and set to bickering with each other.
When web pages sprang up all over the Internet exposing this fraud
those waiting for their cars were told that "it's all lies"
including THIS message.
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A selection from Chapter 13 of Eric Hoffer's 9The True Believer:
" "Things which are not" are indeed mightier than "things that are."
10 In all ages men have fought most desperately for beautiful cities
yet to be built and gardens yet to be planted. Satan did not digress
to tell all he knew when he said: "All that a man hath will he give
for his life." 11All he hath - yes. But he sooner dies than yield
aught12 of that which he hath not yet. "
9: Eric Hoffer's The True Believer was published in 1951, President
Dwight Eisenhower told his associates to read it, and I'm telling YOU
to read it
10 I Corinthians 1:28
11 Job 2:4
12 Aught is a Middle English word for "Anything" as used by
Shakespeare
Goto Page 2 - L Ron Hubbard - The KING of CONS! - Religious Cloaking
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Make a donation HERE
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Sharky
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:20:52 GMT, "Sharky" <shar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote
in
> >message news:s6jeuv0b41i8uh29r...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:34:12 +0100, Tilman Hausherr
> >> <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> >> >Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
> >> >
> >> >>After a case was won in the Federal
> >> >>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
> >> >
> >> >Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
> >
> >It is true. You liar.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks tilman, for pointing out yet another example
> >> of Scientology LIES..
> >>
> >
> >Thanks Arnie for applauding the pathologic liar Tilman and his lies.
> >
> >Get the facts, you may look less dumb.
> >
>
> Hey dude, I'm not following some clown who missed catching a
> freighttrain on venus
>
You may have been hit by the freighttrain though, Dude.
The subject was: You applaud the liar Tilman and his lies and still you have
no idea what he is lying about.
How things brings you to freighttrains is interesting:-))
Barbara Schwarz
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:34:12 +0100, Tilman Hausherr
> <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>
> >On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> >Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
> >
> >>After a case was won in the Federal
> >>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative ruling
> >
> >Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling stands.
>
> Thanks tilman, for pointing out yet another example
> of Scientology LIES..
Tilman Hausherr has not provided any proof for his allegations,
typically for him, he is probably to busy to ruin the American
economy, one of his hobbies.
How many lithocripters did your company Siemens deliver to Sadam
Hussein, Tilman? You know they are considered weapons of mass
destruction. Where are they hidden in Iraq? I bet your "fine" company
knows a lot about it while the rest of the world is looking for the
stuff. Why don't you spit it out and come clean?
Barbara Schwarz
arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
wrote:
Here are the things that brought me to freightrains
http://www.lermanet.com/shannon/
Sharky
>
> Here are the things that brought me to freightrains
I suggest to post your freighttrain stories there. This thread is about
Tilman Hausherr lying and you applauding him.
Try to appear sequitur.
Anneke Andriessen
> I received the IAS Annual Report 2002-2003 with the mail. (I am IAS
> member since mid 80s.) I want to cite something from one of their
> reports under headline "Safeguarding Religious Freedom".
>
> I quote: International pressure has continued to build to get Germany
> to follow its constitution and protect the religious freedom and human
> rights of its citizens.
So where's your court case pending before the ECHR. I went through the case
law collection and pending stuff and dit not find any. So where is your
pressure coming from? Chattering politicians?
Anneke
TheoneTheonly
> On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
> Schwarz) wrote:
>
> > I received the IAS Annual Report 2002-2003 with the mail. (I am IAS
> > member since mid 80s.) I want to cite something from one of their
>
> Meanwhile, here in the *REAL* world, you're still unable to produce
> any convincing evidence that Nazis are controlling much (if not most)
> of humanity via invisible ear implants, let alone that they have done
> so since at least the year 1692 (where you claimed Nazis were
> responsible for "The Salem Witch Trials"). What is taking you so long
> to produce *ANY* valid evidence for your claims?
>
> Also, why have you refused to answer the question of if you were crazy
> before Scientology happened to you, or was Scientology brainwashing
> responsible?
Remember below posting, David Rice? No, you don't remember, your
psycho drugs are stealing your memories....
The
article has headline "UAlbany suspends implants research" and indeed
was published on August 25, 1999 in the Albany Times Union.
However, Prof. Kelley claims that the ear implants (used to control
people) might be implanted with a device during anesthesia, perhaps
leaving tiny stitches visible in the ear. I claim that those were
probably the 17th century versions of those implants but that those
devices, through which a case officer and mindcontroller can talk to
victims remotely and anonymously, through which they can hear the
victim's speech and thoughts, are just as big as pin heads and are as
easy to be installed as earlobe piercing. I also think that they
rather are shot in the middle ears and not in the outside of the ears.
But it is rather odd that Kelley's research was shut down, and
somebody of the board said that this is quite a rare to do that in
middle of a research project. Sounds like SEGNPMSS suppression and
control of her work to me.
Barbara Schwarz
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And otherwise, Dave Rice, how come YOU don't protest Karin Spaink's
suidice coachings of young and healthy people? Just as David
Touretzky, you have a double moral. You posted recently about your
"church". Is that the "Church" of Euthanasia, in which also Karin
Spaink is a member and Boboroski, the lunatic and his Satans Service?
Barbara Schwarz
steff0remov...@s.netic.de
> arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote
> in message news:<s6jeuv0b41i8uh29r...@4ax.com>...
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:34:12 +0100, Tilman Hausherr
>> <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>>
>> >On 22 Dec 2003 08:56:25 -0800, Barbaral...@excite.com (Barbara
>> >Schwarz) wrote in <4c418fa.03122...@posting.google.com>:
>> >
>> >>After a case was won in the Federal
>> >>Labor Court, the court additionally nullified a prior negative
>> >>ruling
>> >
>> >Not true. The court specifically stated that the prior ruling
>> >stands.
>>
>> Thanks tilman, for pointing out yet another example
>> of Scientology LIES..
>
> Tilman Hausherr has not provided any proof for his allegations,
> typically for him, he is probably to busy to ruin the American
> economy, one of his hobbies.
>
> How many lithocripters did your company Siemens deliver to Sadam
> Hussein, Tilman? You know they are considered weapons of mass
> destruction. Where are they hidden in Iraq? I bet your "fine" company
> knows a lot about it while the rest of the world is looking for the
> stuff. Why don't you spit it out and come clean?
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Barbara. Du bist politisch so beleckt, wie der Papagei meiner Nachbarin,
die RTL glotzt.
Es gibt keine Waffen der Massenvernichtung im Irak, ausser denen, die die
Amerikaner mitgebracht haben.
Die Welt weiss das seit einem halben Jahr, aber Du stellst Dich in Deiner
verzweifelten Angst, mehr oder weniger staatenlos zu sein in den Schutz
einer kriminellen Vereinigung, die sich Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten
von Amerika nennt, aber aus kaltblütig lügenden Mördern besteht, die die
amerikanische Öffentlichkeit mit einer weiteren Lüge und Manipulationen
des Wahlmechanismus auf dem Wege zur Macht ausgetrickst hat.
steff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
>> The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
>> The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium
>> Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons
>> for the mind Support http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January
>> 2000 in The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re
>> "Scientologist with no HEAD"
--
If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
Sharky
<steff0remov...@s.netic.de> wrote in message
news:Xns945F12C8C95D1oh...@216.65.98.9...
Wer hat Dir denn ins Hirn geschissen, dass Du solch einen Unfug verfasst?
Peter Widmer
...
> Es gibt keine Waffen der Massenvernichtung im Irak, ausser denen, die die
> Amerikaner mitgebracht haben.
> Die Welt weiss das seit einem halben Jahr, aber Du stellst Dich in Deiner
> verzweifelten Angst, mehr oder weniger staatenlos zu sein in den Schutz
> einer kriminellen Vereinigung, die sich Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten
> von Amerika nennt, aber aus kaltblütig lügenden Mördern besteht, die die
> amerikanische Öffentlichkeit mit einer weiteren Lüge und Manipulationen
> des Wahlmechanismus auf dem Wege zur Macht ausgetrickst hat.
...
Falle jemand dies nie erfahren haben sollte (die US sind nicht darauf
erpicht. dass sowas allzu bekannt wird):
WMD Plot Uncovered In East Texas:
Nov 26, 2003
By Robert Riggs
With Investigative Producer Todd Bensman
CBS 11 Investigates Poison Gas Plot
<http://informationclearinghouse.literati.org/article5350.htm>
<http://informationclearinghouse.literati.org/article5351.htm>
US media, Ashcroft silent on conviction of right-wing terrorists in Texas
Conspirators built chemical bomb
By Bill Vann
9 December 2003
<http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/tex-d09_prn.shtml>
Peter
--
Peter Widmer <pwi...@quicknet.ch>
3802 Waldegg <http://www.pewid.ch>
steff0remov...@s.netic.de
news:bslo3p$20s$1...@rex.ip-plus.net:
Pikant zum Beispiel!
Und dann einfach google, massdestruction lie
Spuckt aus
http://www.irak.be/ned/missies/medicalMissionColetteGeert/weaponsUS.htm
und 100 weitere links
In einem dieser links: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
SectionID=15&ItemID=2123,
Barbara, wie stehts? Wie kommst Du Dir nach dem Lesen dieses Artikels
vor, mit Deinem oberflächlichen Belfern zu einem angeblich furchtbar
verschworenen Konspirator der Firma Siemens, welche angeblich unglaublich
furchtbare Massenvernichtungsmittel an die grässlichen Feinde einer
amerikanischen Welt liefert?
Der Irak wird bereits seit zehn Jahren gestorben. Eindeutig initiiert von
den Amerikanern.
Es ist wohl schon eine Weile her, dass Du mit Kindern zu tun hattest, ich
mein, mit Anfassen und gern haben. Aber ich erinnere mich an ein altes
Foto von Dir, wo Du lachend und ziemlich glücklich Deine Nichte in den
Armen hältst.
Sage uns, wie willst Du mit ehrlichen Gewissen eine gerechte Welt
verteidigen, wenn Du Dich zum Mitschuldigen an diesen Morden machst,
indem Du sie nicht angreifst, also verteidigst? Das Land, indem Du in
freier Wahl lebst, befindet sich im Kriegszustand, in einem selbst
erklärten Aggressionskrieg, der hunderttausende von Kindern getötet hat!
Kindern, nicht von Terroristen(als wenn das ein Grund sein könnte, sie zu
töten), sondern von Menschen, die freiwillig nicht einen Gedanken an
Amerika gehabt hätten!
steff
Peter Widmer
> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns945F5ABBE734Boh...@216.65.98.9>...
<...>
> Sag das Siemens, der Firma in der Tilman Hausherr arbeitet, das mit
> ihren Nuclear Schaltern hunderttausende von Kindern getoetet werden
> koennen.
Meint die überragende Rüstungsfachfrau die in rein zivil genutzten
Geräten eingebauten Bestandteile wie Impulsschalter für
Ultraschallgeräte zur Vernichtung von Nierensteinen? Wo sind die damit
gebauten Waffen, die seit Monaten vergeblich gesucht wurden, nicht mal
die zum Bau notwendigen Produktionsstätten wurden gefunden :-) Alles von
den britischen und amerikanuschen Supergeheimdiensten fabrizierte
Märchen, um damit das verbrecherische Vorgehen dieser Länder gegen den
Irak zu rechtfertigen.
> Ist das was sie in deutschen Nachrichten bringen, das die USA 100.000
> Kinder im Irak getoetet haben, oder hast Du das erfunden?
>
>
>>Kindern, nicht von Terroristen(als wenn das ein Grund sein könnte, sie zu
>>töten), sondern von Menschen, die freiwillig nicht einen Gedanken an
>>Amerika gehabt hätten!
>>
>
> Und wenn die Deutschen nicht der groesste Waffenlieferant vom Irak
> ware, waere der Krieg wahrscheinlich nie zustandegekommen.
>
Die Amis rüsteten den Irak auf, Ignorantin! Vor allem seinerzeit im
Krieg gegen den Iran. Donald Rumsfeld kann da Auskunft geben!
Vom US-Waffenbruder zum Erzfeind:
Hussein – Verbündeter der USA
Die US-Regierung unterstützte das blutige Regime Husseins im Irak wie
auch viele andere brutale Diktaturen. Zum Feind der USA wurde Hussein
erst, als er ihren wirtschaftlichen Zielen im Weg stand.
<http://www.sozialismus-von-unten.de/lr/artikel_18.html>
Und was die 'deutschen Waffenlieferungen' betrifft:
"Doch verschwiegen wird der Bevölkerung, dass die Bundesrepublik längst
in diesen Krieg verwickelt ist: mit Waffenteilen und Rüstungs-Know-how -
made in Germany. Und das will man offenbar weiter an die USA und England
liefern, obwohl das deutsche Kriegswaffen-Kontrollgesetz Rüstungsexporte
für einen Angriffskrieg ganz klar verbietet. Die Schweizer Regierung hat
solche Waffenexporte an die USA und England längst verboten."
...
"Dr. Michael Brzoska, Institut für Konversionsforschung, Bonn: 'Im
Moment könnten die Amerikaner den Krieg im Irak nicht so führen, wie sie
ihn führen, ohne deutsche Hochtechnologie. In einer ganzen Reihe von
amerikanischen Waffensystemen steckt deutsche Präzisionstechnologie. Das
ist auch nicht verwunderlich, denn die deutsche Rüstungsindustrie ist
durchaus in einigen Hochtechnologiebereichen weltweit führend, und
deswegen sind auch die Amerikaner davon abhängig, dass sie aus
Deutschland solche Zulieferungen bekommen.'
Auch konventionelle deutsche Militärtechnik steckt in amerikanischen
Waffensystemen. Beispiel: der Kampfpanzer Abrams. Der meist eingesetzte
amerikanische Panzer im Irak-Krieg, die 120 mm Glattrohrkanone und die
dazu gehörige tödliche Munition wurden in Deutschland entwickelt.
Panzer, die heute kurz vor Bagdad stehen."
aus MONITOR Nr. 501 am 3. April 2003
Was den Kindermörder Bush betrifft (kein Wunder versucht die Bushbande
solche Berichte zu unterdrücken und dem eigenen Volk zu verheimlichen):
Der Irak-Krieg tötet vor allem Kinder
Erschütternde Beobachtungen vor Ort
Bericht von Dr. Angelika Claussen,
veröffentlicht in der Medical Tribune 29.3.03
<http://www.lebenshaus-alb.de/mt/archives/001551.html>
Erschütternde, brutale Tatsachen, die die Wahrheit über Basra ans Licht
fördern
von Robert Fisk
The Independent / ZNet 27.03.2003
<http://www.zmag.de/artikel.php?id=537/>
Und nicht zuletzt:
<http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=266032&lang=e&dir=news>
Daughter of slain Iraqi opposition leader says US helped Saddam in 1993
to quash coup attempt
20-12-2003
The daughter of a prominent Iraqi opposition leader, who was
assassinated in Beirut by Saddam Hussein's secret service in 1994 said
she would sue the ousted Iraqi president before three international
courts, charging that the U.S. was a virtual accomplice in her father's
murder.
steff0remov...@s.netic.de
news:527ed47f.03122...@posting.google.com:
> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message
> news:<Xns945F5ABBE734Boh...@216.65.98.9>...
>> m und 100 weitere links
>> In einem dieser links: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
>> SectionID=15&ItemID=2123,
>> Barbara, wie stehts? Wie kommst Du Dir nach dem Lesen dieses Artikels
>> vor, mit Deinem oberflächlichen Belfern zu einem angeblich furchtbar
>> verschworenen Konspirator der Firma Siemens, welche angeblich
>> unglaublich furchtbare Massenvernichtungsmittel an die grässlichen
>> Feinde einer amerikanischen Welt liefert?
>> Der Irak wird bereits seit zehn Jahren gestorben. Eindeutig initiiert
>> von den Amerikanern.
>
> Der Saddam Hussein hat ungefaehr eine Million Tote auf seinem
> Gewissen. So ein Mann haette schon viel eher seiner Macht enthoben
> werden sollen.
>
>> Es ist wohl schon eine Weile her, dass Du mit Kindern zu tun hattest,
>> ich mein, mit Anfassen und gern haben. Aber ich erinnere mich an ein
>> altes Foto von Dir, wo Du lachend und ziemlich glücklich Deine Nichte
>> in den Armen hältst.
>
> Meine Nichte war oft in den USA seitdem das Foto geschossen wurde und
> ja, in meinen Armen. Sie ist mein groesster Fan.
>
>> Sage uns, wie willst Du mit ehrlichen Gewissen eine gerechte Welt
>> verteidigen, wenn Du Dich zum Mitschuldigen an diesen Morden machst,
>> indem Du sie nicht angreifst, also verteidigst?
>
> Are you nuts? Ich mitschuldig an Morden? Weil ich sage das Siemens
> keine Waffen fuer Massenvernichtung an andere liefern soll? Weil ich
> sage der Saddam hat genuegend Menschen getoetet? Was fuer ein crazy
> spin doctor bist Du, Stefan?
>
> Das Land, indem Du in
>> freier Wahl lebst, befindet sich im Kriegszustand, in einem selbst
>> erklärten Aggressionskrieg, der hunderttausende von Kindern getötet
>> hat!
>
> Ich bin in Deutschland misbraucht worden und waere ich nicht geflohen
> wuerde ich nun die Radischen von unten sehen!
> Sag das Siemens, der Firma in der Tilman Hausherr arbeitet, das mit
> ihren Nuclear Schaltern hunderttausende von Kindern getoetet werden
> koennen.
>
> Ist das was sie in deutschen Nachrichten bringen, das die USA 100.000
> Kinder im Irak getoetet haben, oder hast Du das erfunden?
>
>> Kindern, nicht von Terroristen(als wenn das ein Grund sein könnte,
>> sie zu töten), sondern von Menschen, die freiwillig nicht einen
>> Gedanken an Amerika gehabt hätten!
>>
>> steff
>
> Und wenn die Deutschen nicht der groesste Waffenlieferant vom Irak
> ware, waere der Krieg wahrscheinlich nie zustandegekommen.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
Du bist ne kleine Egoistin, Barbara. Von irgendeinem Wir-Gefühl im Sinne
der Menschheit keine Spur. Du siehst nicht mal die Zusammenhänge.
Wenn Kinder drauf gehen, wenigstens nicht meine.
Weisst Du was? Ich tu Dich in den Killfile. Ist verlorene Liebesmüh.
Wir 6.5 Milliarden werden Dich aushalten, ohne das man hinschaut.
In den letzten zehn Jahren sind weit mehr als 100000 Kinder im Iran an
den Folgen der Kriegszusammenhänge gestorben, aber Du hast nur
Hohngelächter übrig, und glaubst, was Du glauben willst.
Du tust immer so flammend, aber alles was Du tust, ist Dein Ego künstlich
zu verteidigen und das Scientologenprogramm am Tonbandklavier zu
repetieren. Das Du mal wirklich konzentriert liest, fällt Dir nur ein,
wenn Du attackieren willst, zum Beispiel, wie funktioniert eine
Rechtseingabe in Amerika. Du lebst in einer spinnerten kleinen Welt.
Glaubst Du wirklich, ich wäre so blöd, Nachrichten aus nur einer Quelle
zu zitieren? Das glaube ich Dir nicht. Ne, Du bist ne kleine Demagogin,
wie jeder Scientologe. Du zupfst Dir's zurecht. Ich habe Dir eine
Stichwortsuche in Google empfohlen, aber Du willst ja gar nicht die
herrschende Weltmeinung zu diesem Thema ausfindig machen. Und Deine
Attitude, so eine Mischung aus lässig und höhnisch, Du magst zwar jetzt
glauben, das sei cool, aber wenn Du je weiter kommen willst, musst Du
begreifen, das es entweder nur Deine geistige Trägheit oder aber schlicht
Angst ist, die Dir diese Haltung aufzwingt.
Denn wenn das alles so wäre, wie viele behaupten, dann wäre es ganz
schlimm, dann müsstest Du was dagegen tun, um Deine Integrität zu
bewahren. Das wird aber mit Deinem abschaltbaren Scientologengewissen
wohl noch dauern. Denn ohne Gewissen geht das auch nicht.
Beseiere halt weiter das Internet mit dem verquasten
Scientologengeplapper. Irgend jemand gibt Dir dann noch'n Klaps auf den
Po, und Du drehst Dich noch einmal um Dich selbst.
Wenn ich für Deinen Zustand einen pathologischen Begriff finden müsste,
wäre es Eitelkeit. Im älterdeutschen steht Eitel auch für unnütz,
umsonst.
Man spricht ja auch von vereitelt. Vereitel Dich halt weiter.
In den letzten zwölf Monaten gab es hier Zeiten, da wusste jeder, die hat
ein Rad ab. Dann kamen, allerdings rudimentär und unter Vermeidung
gewisser Themen, so etwas wie Dialoge auf, wie es Dir halt möglich war.
Traurig ist dann, wenn man sieht, was für ein glatter und kalter Mensch
hinter dieser Krankheit steckt.
Na ja, ein abgerissener. Wann, wo, ach Gott, ne, nich mehr. Nich mehr so.
Aber, es is blöd, ne, ich seh dahinter auch wirklich nichts.
Du funktionierst zu gut, als das ich Dir da einen Bonus geben möchte.
Auch Deine Drolligkeit und wirklich, Originalität, ja, aber, ach Gott,
der Koos auch, ja, aber sicher, oh, sogar brilliant..
Wieviel Homunkuluse noch, ne. Vielleicht wirst Du Dich Dein ganzes
restliches Leben hinter dieser Fassade verstecken, und halt immer
spinneter werden. Da Du ziemlich intelligent bist, reichts zum
Durchlavieren für die Durchschnittsmenschen wohl aus. Und auch was das
Wir-Gefühl angeht, oh, da gibts auch genug, die sind nicht besser als Du.
Die haben sich allerdings auch wenig damit befasst.
Aber wer sagt denn, das sich Scientologen mit dem Wir-Gefühl befassen.