Aquarian Moon...
Astronom_v
>Sunday, September 28th 1969
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Spámster
Astronom_v wrote:
> -adjudicated by Daniel Joseph Min 26 June 2002
>
Flush!
-glenn-
astronomy and astrology? (This is for the readers of alt.astronomy and
sci.astro.)
-glenn-
"Astronom_v" <neptvn_@olympv_.mn_> wrote in message
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Chris Franks
"-glenn-" <ne...@somewhere.in.prancin.com> wrote in message
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> Is it really that difficult to understand the difference between the words
> astronomy and astrology? (This is for the readers of alt.astronomy and
> sci.astro.)
>
After 65 years of reading, I conclude that people who believe in
astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the difference between
astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion.
Rufio
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I know what you mean - I feel that way about Christianity too.
MrTonk
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MrTonk
or mythology newsgroups...
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adam
Surely you didn't come up with that yourself.
After reading your chutzpah I conclude that your mental equipment is
in need of a complete overhaul.
Back to your two inch (or whatever) tool and telescope.
adam
qop...@ertw.org
"MrTonk" <mrt...@attbi.com> writes:
> this is not a post regarding mythology
this is not a post regarding astronomy
--
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"MrTonk" <mrt...@attbi.com> writes:
> this is not a post regarding mythology
this is not a post regarding astronomy
--
jdh...@quejdjdj.org
"MrTonk" <mrt...@attbi.com> writes:
> Idiot....what he's saying is that astrology posts have no place in astronomy
> or mythology newsgroups...
this is not a post regarding astronomy
>
> "Rufio" <davec...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:vi7T8.53812$Ok1.4...@news2.west.cox.net...
> >
> > "Chris Franks" <chris_...@agilent.com> wrote in message
> > news:10253031...@cswreg.cos.agilent.com...
> > |
> > | "-glenn-" <ne...@somewhere.in.prancin.com> wrote in message
> > | news:1vSS8.142$TH1....@eagle.america.net...
> > | > Is it really that difficult to understand the difference between the
> > words
> > | > astronomy and astrology? (This is for the readers of alt.astronomy
> > and
> > | > sci.astro.)
> > | >
> > |
> > | After 65 years of reading, I conclude that people who believe
> > in
> > | astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the difference between
> > | astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion.
> > |
> > |
> >
> > I know what you mean - I feel that way about Christianity too.
> >
> >
>
>
--
Chris Franks
"adam" <adamil...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> >
> > After 65 years of reading, I conclude that people who believe in
astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the difference between
astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion.
>
>
> Surely you didn't come up with that yourself. After reading your
chutzpah I conclude that your mental equipment is in need of a complete
overhaul. Back to your two inch (or whatever) tool and telescope.
adam
Yes I did, after studying the extensive astrology library left to me by
the late Douglas Dawson, I conclude that there is not any possibility that
the position of the stars and planets at the minute of a human's birth can
have any lasting influence on the next 37 million minutes of an average
lifetime. All experiments that have tried to show a correlation between
the birth positions and subsequent actions have utterly failed.
Astrology is a con game played on mentally deficient suckers, and that is a
fact, not just an opinion. Back to my 8-inch [tool and telescope].
Jean Guernon
Not that astrologers don't know the difference mind you. They do.
But Adam is a master at sidetracking the issues by attacking characters.
I'll bet he has no clue.
J.
adam a écrit :
Jean Guernon
Chris Franks a écrit :
What he said was that those who study astrology had no concept of astronomy.
This is ludicrous.
What you say is something else totally.
J.
Painius
"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote...
>
> Chris Franks a écrit :
>
> > "adam" <adamil...@volcanomail.com> wrote...
'Lo Jean --
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders. I'm not sure that
i have all of the attributions correct above, yet nowhere do i see
anyone saying that those who study astrology had no concept of
astronomy. If you refer to the statement about those who believe in
astrology not being able to discern the difference between astrology
and astronomy, then this is a bit different from studying astrology and
having no concept of astronomy, isn't it?
Personally i know a lot of people who believe in astrology who don't
have a clue about astronomy, and who often confuse the two. Most
of the people i know who study astronomy wouldn't give two cents
for anything connected with astrology. And there are many people
who *study* (as opposed to just believing in) astrology who are also
very adept in astronomy. Yet i must agree that these people generally
do not recognize the differences between astrology and astronomy
the way astronomers recognize the differences. They seem to see
astrology as some sort of step up from astronomy that includes
astronomy and a whole lot more.
I may be wrong, yet i see the differences as similar to the differences
between psychology and parapsychology. And just as posting about
parapsychology in a psychology newsgroup would bring down the
wrath of psychologists upon the poster, in the same manner astrology
posts in an astronomy newsgroup truly irk the scientists.
My own personal problem with astrology is how one can go from
one city to the next, read the newspapers, and get totally different
astrological "predictions" from the newspapers on the same day. To
me, this is akin to one astronomer predicting a solar eclipse on one
day, another astronomer predicting the solar eclipse on a different
day, and then the eclipse actually happening on a day other than
either astronomer predicted.
The fact remains that astrology is very popular among non-scientists.
Astrology has often funded astronomy projects, directly in the
distant past and indirectly in recent times. This fact alone appears
to be enough to warrant some level of tolerance from scientists. On
the other hand, whether or not scientists agree with what i've said,
their credibility in the eyes of their peers would greatly suffer if they
were to display their tolerance of astrology in a public forum.
Best of everything to you and yours!
--
Indelibly yours, (jure astro)
Painius
http://paine_ellsworth.home.att.net/
oxo
Paul Schlyter
Chris Franks <chris_...@agilent.com> wrote:
> "adam" <adamil...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>
>>> After 65 years of reading, I conclude that people who believe in
>>> astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the difference between
>>> astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion.
>>
>>
>> Surely you didn't come up with that yourself. After reading your
>> chutzpah I conclude that your mental equipment is in need of a complete
>> overhaul. Back to your two inch (or whatever) tool and telescope.
>> adam
>
> Yes I did, after studying the extensive astrology library left to me by
> the late Douglas Dawson, I conclude that there is not any possibility that
> the position of the stars and planets at the minute of a human's birth can
> have any lasting influence on the next 37 million minutes of an average
> lifetime.
of an astrological library; some actual experiments are needed to
determine this.
> All experiments that have tried to show a correlation between
> the birth positions and subsequent actions have utterly failed.
astrology books is insufficient.
> Astrology is a con game played on mentally deficient suckers, and that
> is a fact, not just an opinion.
more than this. It is also:
- part of most old cultures and mythologies. Sky and Telescope for
instance regularly refers to astrology in this context, and rightly so.
The people in these old cultures weren't "mentally deficient": they
merely tried to understand the world in the best ways they were able
to do.
- artistic inspiration, which sometimes have provided pieces of art
and music enjoyed even by astronomers. The most well-known case is
Gustav Holst's symphonic music piece "The Planets", which astronomers
have enjoyed so frequently that they even named an asteroid after
Holst to honor him for this. Would you consider anyone enjoying
Holst's "The Planets" to be "mentally deficient"?
- enjoyment. Most people know little more about astrology than their
sun sign, and they don't take it nearly as seriously as you seem to
believe; they're often quite open to the possibility that
astrological predictions are inaccurate or erroneous. Yet they talk
about it from time to time, because it's a conversation piece and it
opens new contacts with people, and this they find more important
than scientific accuracy (in the everyday lives of most people this
often _is_ more important). Someone utilizing this is certainly not
"mentally deficient", (s)he merely has different priorities than you
do.
> Back to my 8-inch [tool and telescope].
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Hap Griffin
"Painius" <stars...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Astrology has often funded astronomy projects, directly in the
> distant past and indirectly in recent times. This fact alone appears
> to be enough to warrant some level of tolerance from scientists.
Can you give some examples of this funding?
HG
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>If you refer to the statement about those who believe in
>astrology not being able to discern the difference between astrology
>and astronomy, then this is a bit different from studying astrology and
>having no concept of astronomy, isn't it?
Don't confuse him! ;)
--
Peter
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Jean Guernon
Painius a écrit :
Adam says that, not you. Now I am not going to argue further on. It is all there.
Now I have made astrology programs, I know good astrologers know astronomy. It is
mathematics. Doesn't mean they are doctor in astronomy. I don't want to argue about
the difference between the two, I know it. I don't want to argue about the validity
of astrology, I can't say I didn't use to believe in it somewhat (to get involve
into it so far) until I got into Nostradamus prophecies. I know better now, it is
not anymore an exact science than parapsychology is. They are not into Hubble or
anything like that obviously. But anyway this is not the point.
The point is there above for all to see. You say you don't "see anyone saying that
those who study astrology had no concept of astronomy". I do. Adam says "I conclude
that people who believe in astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the
difference between astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion."
Now the rest of your post contains interesting points, and proof of what I say. But
I was merely arguing about what Adam said. You quote him after you say he doesn't
say that. What he says is a lie. They do have the mental capacity. Don't you agree?
Very hard to predict. It would seem only Nostradamus could. Well eclipse are not
that hard, but comets are. Especially from 1555. It took revelation. Anyway, this is
my specialty, I don't want to necessarily get you into it (although it does include
both, and a lot more, sciences and academic qualifications). Everyone has his own.
My point wasn't that, but to refute a statement supposedly said from 65 years
experience (I had no idea Adam was what? 85?, I'll go easy on him). Again, I am NOT
arguing about the legitimacy of posting astrology in astronomy groups. I was simply
saying... what I said above.
>
>
> The fact remains that astrology is very popular among non-scientists.
> Astrology has often funded astronomy projects, directly in the
> distant past and indirectly in recent times. This fact alone appears
> to be enough to warrant some level of tolerance from scientists. On
> the other hand, whether or not scientists agree with what i've said,
> their credibility in the eyes of their peers would greatly suffer if they
> were to display their tolerance of astrology in a public forum.
>
I agree with that. Well said. It is a good rationalization. It explains their
hostility. Doesn't mean I sanction it. I don't condemn nor condone it, as I said,
my point was... ;-)
Thanks for the excellent post otherwise.
Cheers.
J.
Michael
says...
>My own personal problem with astrology is how one can go from
>one city to the next, read the newspapers, and get totally different
>astrological "predictions" from the newspapers on the same day.
This should not be the case if they really know what they are doing. Most are
gotten from astrology programs and they just cut and paste. But it also relies
in who wrote the program.
Astrodienst (www.astro.com) is really good, but you need to actually input your
entire birth data.
To get into advanced astrology methods such as N. used to use. You need to learn
progression methods that are difficult to use if you have not studied it and
practiced it for long periods of time. Nostradamus started looking up at the sky
when he was a kid.
Michael
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Jean Guernon
Peter Lemesurier a écrit :
Says the master of confusion.
J.
adam
> Don't mind adam, he is one of the morons of the group.
Coming from you that is a compliment Jean.
>
> Not that astrologers don't know the difference mind you. They do.
You'd know this I'm sure.
>
> But Adam is a master at sidetracking the issues by attacking characters.
Hardly.
A quick search of my posts and yours and any reasonable person can
conclude that your comment suits you, not me, to a T.
Jean Guernon
adam a écrit :
> Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<3D30F105...@globetrotter.net>...
> > Don't mind adam, he is one of the morons of the group.
>
> Coming from you that is a compliment Jean.
>
Good.
> >
> > Not that astrologers don't know the difference mind you. They do.
>
> You'd know this I'm sure.
> >
> > But Adam is a master at sidetracking the issues by attacking characters.
>
> Hardly.
> A quick search of my posts and yours and any reasonable person can
> conclude that your comment suits you, not me, to a T.
>
Nope.
>
> >
> > I'll bet he has no clue.
> >
> > J.
> >
> adam
>
> > adam a écrit :
> > >
> > > "Chris Franks" <chris_...@agilent.com> wrote in message news:<10253031...@cswreg.cos.agilent.com>...
> > > > "-glenn-" <ne...@somewhere.in.prancin.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1vSS8.142$TH1....@eagle.america.net...
> > > > > Is it really that difficult to understand the difference between the words
> > > > > astronomy and astrology? (This is for the readers of alt.astronomy and
> > > > > sci.astro.)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > After 65 years of reading, I conclude that people who believe in
> > > > astrology are not mentally equipped to discern the difference between
> > > > astrology and astronomy, hence their confusion.
> > >
> > > Surely you didn't come up with that yourself.
> > > After reading your chutzpah I conclude that your mental equipment is
> > > in need of a complete overhaul.
> > > Back to your two inch (or whatever) tool and telescope.
> > >
> > > adam
Take your pension already old fossil. You can't assess people properly.
J.
Painius
>
> "Painius" <stars...@aol.com> wrote...
> >
> > Astrology has often funded astronomy projects, directly in the
> > distant past and indirectly in recent times. This fact alone appears
> > to be enough to warrant some level of tolerance from scientists.
>
> Can you give some examples of this funding?
>
> HG
'Lo Hap --
I believe Asimov was one who wrote about several astronomers,
Tycho Brahe among the great, who funded their own scientific
studies by giving astrology readings to their friends and
acquaintances.
More recently, it's my understanding that some of the people who
avidly and financially support Mars, Venus and other planetary
projects are also avid astrologers or avidly follow astrology. This
i suppose to help find evidence for their beliefs and to fine-tune
their abilities. It appears that some astrologers still work toward
credibility in the eyes of science.
Painius
>
> Peter Lemesurier a écrit :
>
> > "Painius" <stars...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you refer to the statement about those who believe in
> > > astrology not being able to discern the difference between astrology
> > > and astronomy, then this is a bit different from studying astrology and
> > > having no concept of astronomy, isn't it?
> >
> > Don't confuse him! ;)
> >
> > --
> > Peter
>
> Says the master of confusion.
>
> J.
That's *my* motto: Abuse and Confuse! <g>
Jean Guernon
Painius a écrit :
> "Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote...
> >
> > Peter Lemesurier a écrit :
> >
> > > "Painius" <stars...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you refer to the statement about those who believe in
> > > > astrology not being able to discern the difference between astrology
> > > > and astronomy, then this is a bit different from studying astrology and
> > > > having no concept of astronomy, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Don't confuse him! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Peter
> >
> > Says the master of confusion.
> >
> > J.
>
> That's *my* motto: Abuse and Confuse! <g>
>
Peter's too.
J.
Hap Griffin
modern funding of astronomical projects comes in any significant amounts
from astrology proponents. Certainly, I would hate to think that with all
of the popular pseudo-science out there and the public's woefully inadequate
level of science understanding that any serious research organization would
knowingly take primary funding from such a source...it just lends credence,
at least in the eyes of the scientifically challenged public, to such
hogwash.
Hap Griffin
"Painius" <stars...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Painius
>
> I seem to remember the story about Tycho Brahe. But I seriously doubt if
> modern funding of astronomical projects comes in any significant amounts
> from astrology proponents. Certainly, I would hate to think that with all
> of the popular pseudo-science out there and the public's woefully inadequate
> level of science understanding that any serious research organization would
> knowingly take primary funding from such a source...it just lends credence,
> at least in the eyes of the scientifically challenged public, to such
> hogwash.
>
> Hap Griffin
Yes, this is what i meant by indirectly. As far as fund raisers know,
the astrology buff is a regular citizen. Anybody can subscribe to a
magazine/Mars planetary report/etc. quite anonymously, at least as
far as their myth beliefs go.
As for significant amounts, i understand that a lot of wealthy people
avidly follow astrology. I'm not qualified to comment on how much
financial support for astronomy this could amount to.
adam
I said NO such thing. You need to relax mate.