Defective "pontifical" makes null and void all episcopal acts from 1985 to date by Denis Michel Garrison et al (including Andrei Brennan) of the Orthodox Catholic Church in North America.

[Whistl...@occna.org]

Defective "pontifical" makes null and void all episcopal acts from 1985 to date
by Denis Michel Garrison et al (including Andrei Brennan) of the Orthodox
Catholic Church in North America.

From: http://www.occna.com/md/orosb/pontifical.html

Old Roman Orthodox Pontifical The Ritual for Bishops According to the Ancient &
Orthodox Old Roman Rites ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH IN NORTH AMERICA ... Old Roman
Orthodox Pontifical (4th Edition) was compiled & arranged by the Most Reverend
+Denis Michel Garrison, Th.D., OSB, Metropolitan Archbishop of Baltimore. The
Holy Eastern Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church in North America [sic].
Fourth Edition published by Orthodox Benedictine Missions - Saint Herman of
Alaska Orthodox Mission, Orthodox Catholic Church in North America. ...1998.

SOURCES OF THE RITES ... The consecratory prayers for ordination to the Major
Orders are from the Apostolic Tradition of Saint Hippolytus: Deacon - cap. IX;
Priest - cap. VIII; and Bishop - capp. II-III.. ...

[Comment: "[T]he Canons of Hippolytus ... have been more accurately described
by Dr. C. H. Turner as 'a very secondary authority, a version of a version, not
only late in their present Arabic dress, but also not earlier than the fourth
century in their substance.' After the labours in England of Dom Hugh Connolly
and in Germany of Prof. E. Schwartz, the Ethiopic, Coptic, and Arabic Texts,
together with Hauler's Verona Fragments, which constitute the so-called
'Egyptian Church Order,' are now recognised by scholars as the lost treatise --
the Apostolic Tradition -- of that important but elusive person, Hippolytus."
(See Clarke, W.K. Lowther; Harris, Charles; eds. Liturgy and Worship. London:
SPCK. 1964. Walter Kelly Firminger. "The Ordinal". p. 629.)]

ORDINATION OF A DEACON

The Candidate kneels. Then the Bishop is seated and the Bishop (but no one else)
lays hands on the Candidate's head and says:

"O God, Who hast created all things and hast ordered them by the Word, Father of
our Lord Jesus Christ, Whom Thou didst send to minister to Thy will and reveal
unto us Thy desire; grant the Holy Spirit of grace and earnestness and diligence
upon this Thy servant, whom Thou hast chosen to minister to Thy Church and to
bring up in holiness to Thy holiness that which is offered to Thee by Thine
ordained high priests to the glory of Thy Name; so that, by ministering
blamelessly and in purity of heart, he may, by Thy goodwill, be found worthy of
this high and exalted office, praising Thee, Through Thy Child, Jesus Christ,
our Lord, through Whom to Thee be glory, might, and praise, to the Father and to
the Son with the Holy Spirit in the Holy Church, now and ever and unto ages of
ages. Amen. Blessed is the Lord. Behold, the servant of God, [N...], is ordained
a Deacon of the Holy Church of [N...]; in the Name of the + Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

[Comment: The words "grant the Holy Spirit of grace and earnestness and
diligence upon this Thy servant" or the words " Behold, the servant of God,
[N...], is ordained a Deacon of the Holy Church of [N...]" cannot be construed
in any way whatsoever to invoke the Holy Ghost for the Office of Deacon.]

ORDINATION OF A PRIEST

The Candidate kneels. Then the Bishop is seated and the Bishop lays hands on the
Candidate's head, and the other Priests assisting also touch the Candidate, and
the Bishop prays:

"O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Father of mercies and God of all
comfort; Who dwellest on high, yet hast respect unto the lowly; Who knowest all
things before they come to pass; Who didst give ordinances unto Thy Church by
the Word of Thy grace; Who didst foreordain, from the beginning, the race of the
righteous from Abraham, instituting Princes and Priests and leaving not Thy
sanctuary without ministers; Who from the foundation of the world hast been
pleased to be glorified in them whom Thou hast chosen; Now pour forth that Power
which is from Thee, of the princely Holy Spirit which Thou didst deliver to Thy
beloved Child Jesus Christ, which He bestowed on Thy Holy Apostles who
established the Church which hallows Thee in every place, to the endless glory
and praise of Thy Name."

[Comment: The above is a butchered translation which does not include the
episcopal words of "pour forth now that power, that is from thee of thy
principal spirit (principalis spiritus)". (See Clarke, W.K. Lowther; Harris,
Charles; eds. Liturgy and Worship. London: SPCK. 1964. Walter Kelly Firminger.
"The Ordinal". p. 630.) The words "pour forth that Power which is from Thee, of
the princely Holy Spirit" is not the same as the words "pour forth now that
power, that is from thee of they principal spirit" as above.]

"Look upon this Thy servant and impart to this chosen one the Holy Spirit of
grace and counsel, that this chosen one may share in the Presbyterate and govern
Thy people in a pure heart. As Thou didst look upon the people of Thy choice and
didst command Moses to choose Presbyters whom Thou didst fill with the Spirit
which Thou hadst granted to Thy minister, so now, O Lord, grant that there may
be preserved among us unceasingly the Spirit of Thy grace, and make us worthy,
that in faith we may minister to Thee, praising Thee in singleness of heart.
Through Thy Child, Jesus Christ, our Lord, through
Whom to Thee be glory, might, and praise, to the Father and to the Son with the
Holy Spirit in the Holy Church, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
Blessed is the Lord. Behold, the servant of God, [N...], is ordained a Priest of
the Holy Church of [N...]; in the Name of the + Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Spirit."

[Comment: The above is a butchered translation which does not include the
episcopal words of "look down on this thy servant and impart the Spirit of grace
and counsel of the presbyterate". (See Clarke, W.K. Lowther; Harris, Charles;
eds. Liturgy and Worship. London: SPCK. 1964. Walter Kelly Firminger. "The
Ordinal". p. 630.) The words "impart to this chosen one the Holy Spirit of
grace and counsel, that this chosen one may share in the Presbyterate" are not
the same as "impart the Spirit of grace and counsel of the presbyterate" as
above. ]

CONSECRATION OF A BISHOP

... The First Bishop lays hands on the Candidate's head, the assisting Bishops
also laying hands on the Candidate's head, and the First Bishop prays:

"The divine grace, which heals all infirmities and supplements all deficiencies,
consecrates the most devout servant of God, [N...], as Bishop of [N...].
Therefore, let us pray that the grace of the Holy Spirit may come upon this
chosen one. O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Father of mercies and God
of all comfort; Who dwellest on high, yet hast respect unto the lowly; Who
knowest all things before they come to pass; Who didst give ordinances unto Thy
Church by the Word of Thy grace; Who didst foreordain, from the beginning, the
race of the righteous from Abraham, instituting Princes and Priests and leaving
not Thy sanctuary without ministers; Who from the foundation of the world hast
been pleased to be glorified in them whom Thou hast chosen; Now pour forth that
Power which is from Thee, of the princely Holy Spirit which Thou didst deliver
to Thy beloved Child Jesus Christ, which He bestowed on Thy Holy Apostles who
established the Church which hallows Thee in every place, to the endless glory
and praise of Thy Name."

[Comment: The words "The divine grace ... consecrates the most devout servant
of God, [N...], as Bishop of [N...]" can not be construed in any way whatsoever
to invoke the Holy Ghost for the Office of Bishop. The words "Therefore, let us
pray that the grace of the Holy Spirit may come upon this chosen one" can not be
construed in any way whatsoever to invoke the Holy Ghost for the Office of
Bishop. The words "The divine grace ... consecrates the most devout servant of
God, [N...], as Bishop of [N...]. Therefore, let us pray that the grace of the
Holy Spirit may come upon this chosen one.", taken as a totality, can not be
construed in any way whatsoever to invoke the Holy Ghost for the Office of
Bishop The above butchered translation also does not include the episcopal
words of "pour forth now that power, that is from thee of thy principal spirit
(principalis spiritus)". (See Clarke, W.K. Lowther; Harris, Charles; eds.
Liturgy and Worship. London: SPCK. 1964. Walter Kelly Firminger. "The Ordinal".
p. 630.) The words "pour forth that Power which is from Thee, of the princely
Holy Spirit" is not the same as the words "pour forth now that power, that is
from thee of they principal spirit" as above.]

"Father, Who knowest the hearts of all, grant to this, Thy servant, whom Thou
hast chosen for the episcopate, to feed Thy holy flock and serve as Thine high
priest, that this, Thy servant, may minister blamelessly by night and day, and
may unceasingly behold and propitiate Thy countenance and offer to Thee the
gifts of Thy Holy Church; and that, by the high priestly Holy Spirit, this, Thy
servant, may have authority to forgive sins according to Thy command, to assign
lots according to Thy bidding, to loose every bond according to the authority
Thou gavest to the Apostles; and that this, Thy servant, may please Thee in
meekness and a pure heart, offering to Thee a sweet-smelling savour. Through Thy
Child, Jesus Christ, our Lord, through Whom to Thee be glory, might, and praise,
to the Father + and to the Son with the Holy Spirit in the Holy Church, now and
ever and unto ages of ages. Amen."

[Comment: The words above "grant to this, Thy servant whom Thou hast chosen for
the episcopate, to ..." can not be construed in any way whatsoever to invoke the
Holy Ghost for the Office of Bishop. The entire prayer is in fact a butchered
translation of the parallel prayer at the ordination of a presbyter, and hence
has no reason to be in the ordinal for a bishop. Furthermore, a required prayer
is not recited. "The Canons of Hippolytus direct that at the ordination of a
Bishop or presbyter the following prayer shall be recited: 'Grant to him, O
Lord, a mild spirit, and power to remit sins, and grant to him power to loose
all bonds of iniquity of demons [i.e. by exorcism], and to heal all diseases,
and to beat down Satan under his feet quickly' (17)." ( See Clarke, W.K.
Lowther; Harris, Charles; eds. Liturgy and Worship. London: SPCK. 1964. Charles
Harris. "Visitation of the Sick", 'The Ministry in Primitive Times'. p. 477.)]

[Troyen]

And what was the purpose of the original post?

sinner, troyen

[tro...@sinners.gov]

From tro...@aol.com (Troyen):

-- And what was the purpose of the original post?
--
-- sinner, troyen

Go forth, Troyen, and sin not by posting articles here.

[Troyen]

I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little trick.
Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little internet
address to make posts in my namesake.

sinner, troyen

[Troyen]

From tro...@aol.com (Troyen):

-- I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little trick.
-- Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little internet
-- address to make posts in my namesake.
--
-- sinner, troyen

Go forth and stop sinning, Troyen: do not post obscene material here during
Great Lent.

[GS]

Troyen wrote:
>
> I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little trick.

> Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little internet

> address to make posts in my namesake.
>

> sinner, troyen

Troy,

In netscape oneonly goes to edit, preferences, identity and write
whatever one wants - that person was posting frm altopia..com as was the
mythical Whistl...@occna.org

I think our last posting person on this group frm altopia posted
something disgusting about Greek groins.

Galina

[GS]

Troyen wrote:
>
> From tro...@aol.com (Troyen):
>
> -- I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little trick.

> -- Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little internet
> -- address to make posts in my namesake.
> --
> -- sinner, troyen
>
> Go forth and stop sinning, Troyen: do not post obscene material here during
> Great Lent.

your id = 207.14.113.10

[spa...@erols.edu]

From GS <sp...@erols.com>:

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-- From: GS <sp...@erols.com>
-- Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox
-- Subject: Re: Stop sinning, Troyen: fast from posting obscene material here
-- during Great Lent
-- Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:55:55 -0500
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-- Troyen wrote:
-- >
-- > From tro...@aol.com (Troyen):
-- >
-- > -- I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little
-- trick.
-- > -- Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little
-- internet
-- > -- address to make posts in my namesake.
-- > --
-- > -- sinner, troyen
-- >
-- > Go forth and stop sinning, Troyen: do not post obscene material here during
-- > Great Lent.
--
--
-- your id = 207.14.113.10

Yes it is. So what. Go forth and stop sinning.

[Galina S]

From GS <sp...@erols.com>:

-- Troyen wrote:
-- >
-- > I do say that must be a pretty fart-smeller to do that there little trick.
-- > Unlike some folk here I won't accuse anyone of imitating my little internet

-- > address to make posts in my namesake.
-- >

-- > sinner, troyen
--
--
-- Troy,
--
-- In netscape oneonly goes to edit, preferences, identity and write
-- whatever one wants - that person was posting frm altopia..com as was the
-- mythical Whistl...@occna.org
--
-- I think our last posting person on this group frm altopia posted
-- something disgusting about Greek groins.
--
-- Galina

[Bryan J. Maloney]

In article <36D64540...@erols.com>, GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote:

> In netscape oneonly goes to edit, preferences, identity and write

> whatever one wants - that person was posting frm altopia..com as was the

> mythical Whistl...@occna.org

This is the same guy who attempted to fraudulently post something in my
name regarding Bp Maelruain. I got introduced to a very nice Ukrainian
Vladyka out of that attempt, actually. Complain to altopia until the
fraud is shut down.

--
To women contemplating marriage: The question you should ask is not
"How much do I love him?" The real question is "How much can I
tolerate him?"
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bjm10/

[Bryan J. Maloney]

In article <36f4251a....@news.alt.net>, a miserable little coward wrote:

> Go forth and stop sinning, Troyen: do not post obscene material here during

> Great Lent.

This little coward is just that, a tiny-minded coward.

[mode...@alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox]

From bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney):

-> In article <36D64540...@erols.com>, GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote:
->
-> > In netscape oneonly goes to edit, preferences, identity and write
-> > whatever one wants - that person was posting frm altopia..com as was the
-> > mythical Whistl...@occna.org
->
-> This is the same guy who attempted to fraudulently post something in my
-> name regarding Bp Maelruain. I got introduced to a very nice Ukrainian
-> Vladyka out of that attempt, actually. Complain to altopia until the
-> fraud is shut down.

Dear Bryan-pooh,

You are a little chicken, yourself.

Altopia doesn't care; this is usenet.

Get a life, and do not sin.

Love,

Great Lent
mode...@alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox

[Bryan J. Maloney]

> Dear Bryan-pooh,
>
> You are a little chicken, yourself.

I have the courage to sign my name and give my real email address.

> Get a life, and do not sin.

And you too, things we both should do, ought we not?

[Troyen]

Hmm, I kill Communists and fascists, but not cowards, well sometimes the one is
the other, but anyway. Silly guy. I think I will play chess with an
ex-girlfriend.
sinner, troyen

[LjaquesAK]

Eek. Is this the person who mentioned the
gGg?
How can you tell by numbers?
Never mind. I don't want to know about the numbers.
Thank you, gGg, person for sending me to St. Innocent's and not St. Sophia's,
though I'm sure it's very nice....
BTW: For women contemplating marriage, I was taught to watch very closely to
see how he treated his mother...

>Subject: <snippery>

>From: bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)

>Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 12:39 PM
>Message-id: <bjm10-26029...@132.236.156.19>
>
>> <snip-orama>

[Reader Alban Mosher]

Dear Lori;

Where does the expression "criminy" come from?

Your unworthy servant in Christ,
Reader alban Mosher

[SubDJoseph]

> Reader Alban Mosher

>Dear Lori;
>
>Where does the expression "criminy" come from?
>

I'm not Lori, but here goes.
I think it is a contraction of "Chirsts Mercy."
Just as the English expression "Blimey" if from "By our Lady, Mary", and
"Bloody" from is from "By our Lady."
Zounds comes from "Gods Wounds." Geez and Jeepers are both from "Jesus."
Goodbye is "God be with you"
Lots of others. G'day is from "God give you a good day."

Joseph

[Kevin Bullard]

I bet a Greek claims it!
the Kevinator

Reader Alban Mosher wrote:

> Dear Lori;
>
> Where does the expression "criminy" come from?
>

[LjaquesAK]

Uh oh. I'd best not say it. Couldn't it be a contraction for crime in NY?
What can I say?
Where does yikes come from?
Oh, my. Jiminy Cricket.

Lori

>Subject: Re: Criminy
>From: subdj...@aol.com (SubDJoseph)
>Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 7:27 AM
>Message-id: <19990227102726...@ng-fc1.aol.com>
>
>> Reader Alban Mosher

>
>>Dear Lori;
>>
>>Where does the expression "criminy" come from?
>>
>

[Catherine Hampton]

In alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox Reader Alban Mosher <ALBA...@fastlynx.com> wrote:

: Where does the expression "criminy" come from?

Maybe the Jiminy Cricket movies we saw in grade school? ;>

By the way, it looks like my news server drops all traffic from
Altopia, so I've been enjoying reading half the conversation here.
None of the forger's posts have gotten through. Poor baby.... ;>

--
Catherine Hampton <ar...@tempest.boxmail.com>
Home Page * <http://www.hrweb.org/ariel/>
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(Please use this address for replies -- the address in my header is a
spam trap.)

[Phil Thompson]

Reader Alban Mosher wrote...

>Where does the expression "criminy" come from?

I dunno but Crimini mushrooms are *GOOD* in spaghetti sauce instead of meat
:)

(I suspect it's a way to end an exclamation of "Christ! without quite saying
what you were about to say... But most folks don't mean to swear when they
use it - My grandmother used to say "Crikey!" all the time. Nice Mormon
lady - probably never thot twice about it...)

Phil

[Jack86420]

<<My grandmother used to say "Crikey!" all the time.>>

The British version of 'Criminy' - as explained, a euphemism for taking
Christ's name in vain.

+++++++

+ Vsjakoje dychanije da chvalit Hospoda + Let all that hath breath praise the
Lord +

Are you Orthodox or Catholic? Yes.