The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's Undeniable.
Ian P. McKinney
Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
"Russian Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming
majority of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those
sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who
brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a
Jewish created and lead revolutionary movement.
First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
Karl Marx, was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his
father's side. Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant
importance, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance
to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would probably identify
themselves as atheists, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government."
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been
discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive
Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl
Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach),
Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moisei Uritsky.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm conviction that this
thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
of New York...The latest startling information, given me by someone
with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
calls himself Professor Gordon.
I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
I often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway.
This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
the agitators were Jews.
I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
Russians did not take kindly to it."
Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
April, 4, 1919)
"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin,
Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.
It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80
percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln,
an American professor of Russian history. . . "
Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of
them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of
Jewish Communist bosses.
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There is much more available information for those interested
in the whole story, but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a
handy reference whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism
is challenged.
(This information is provided as a public service by the Western
Imperative Network).
Regards,
Ian McKinney
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In article <3582e0b6...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (Ian P.
McKinney) wrote:
> Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
From "The Bolshevik Canard," by Rich Green:
<begin quote>
Holocaust deniers and Nazi-apologists often make some very revealing
claims regarding Jews, Bolshevism, and Stalinism. They often claim that
Bolshevism was a Jewish movement that resulted in mass murder of
Christians on a scale much larger than the Final Solution. The implication
is that even though the Holocaust did not happen, the Jews deserved it
and/or the fact that Stalinist committed mass murder somehow diminishes
the fact that the Nazis and their accomplices committed mass murder. Even
if the Holocaust-deniers and Nazi-apologists had their facts straight, one
would have to wonder at their reasoning. How does the supposed fact that
some Jews committed mass murder justify mass murder of Jews?
Notwithstanding, this absurd and inhumane implication we must, as usual
call into question the supposed facts....
<end quote>
Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/bolshevik-canard/
It's a quite interesting refutation of McKinney's insane conspiracy theory
crap accusing Jews of mass murder. I reccomend reading it.
[McKinney's insane crappola snipped]
Mark
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Ian P. McKinney
>In article <3582e0b6...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (Ian P.
>McKinney) wrote:
>
>> Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>From "The Bolshevik Canard," by Rich Green:
>
><begin quote>
>
>Holocaust deniers and Nazi-apologists often make some very revealing
>claims regarding Jews, Bolshevism, and Stalinism. They often claim that
>Bolshevism was a Jewish movement that resulted in mass murder of
>Christians on a scale much larger than the Final Solution.
Yes, when we look at the numbers there's no doubt that communists
killed more than you alledge the Germans did.
> The implication
>is that even though the Holocaust did not happen, the Jews deserved it
>and/or the fact that Stalinist committed mass murder somehow diminishes
>the fact that the Nazis and their accomplices committed mass murder.
Evidently the Jews believe that too, hence their conspicuous avoidance
of the whole communist thing.
> Even
>if the Holocaust-deniers and Nazi-apologists had their facts straight, one
>would have to wonder at their reasoning. How does the supposed fact that
>some Jews committed mass murder justify mass murder of Jews?
I don't know about my being a "Nazi apologist", since I have never
claimed to be a National Socialist.Actually, I think Mr. Hitler was
an intense German nationalist, certainly not a pan-Aryan. He had
little regard for other nationalities and that was his downfall. My
only concern with this whole 'holocaust' is the Jew's using it for
political purposes, and their suppression of atrocities committed by
communists. And again I'll say that the reason for that is because a
lot of Jews were involved in communism. Highlighting that would
obviously diminish the sympathy monopoly that the 'holocaust' has.
>Notwithstanding, this absurd and inhumane implication we must, as usual
>call into question the supposed facts....
You know, I don't mind your disagreeing on the amount of Jewish
involvement in communism or discussing exactly which Jews did what
under the guise of communism, but when you attempt to flat-out deny
there's any connection, that's simply not reasonable.
>
><end quote>
>
>Source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/bolshevik-canard/
>
>It's a quite interesting refutation of McKinney's insane conspiracy theory
>crap accusing Jews of mass murder. I reccomend reading it.
>
>[McKinney's insane crappola snipped]
>
>Mark
>
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>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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Richard G. Philllips
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <3582e0b6...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (Ian P.
> McKinney) wrote:
>
>
>
> <begin quote>
>
> Holocaust deniers and Nazi-apologists often make some very revealing
> claims regarding Jews, Bolshevism, and Stalinism. They often claim that
> Bolshevism was a Jewish movement that resulted in mass murder of
> is that even though the Holocaust did not happen, the Jews deserved it
> and/or the fact that Stalinist committed mass murder somehow diminishes
> if the Holocaust-deniers and Nazi-apologists had their facts straight, one
> would have to wonder at their reasoning. How does the supposed fact that
> some Jews committed mass murder justify mass murder of Jews?
> call into question the supposed facts....
=================================================
Phillips
The death toll resulting from the Bolshevik Revolution and the political
famine in the Ukraine are unquestioned facts. No one today seriously
disputes the facts that they happened even though we can never know the
exact numbers.
On the other hand, the alleged extermination of European Jewry during
1939-45 is only that: an allegation. It is not a proven fact, much as a
great many people passionately wish it so. But let us suppose it WERE a
proven and accepted fact. then we may ask: Can the first be used to
"justify" the second? The answer is: No, it cannot be so used. However,
it most certainly knocks the Jews off their high moral perch. It makes
it permissible to say to the Jews: Well, you brought all this on
yourselves. What you sow; you reap.
=================================================================
>
>
ORAC
>The death toll resulting from the Bolshevik Revolution and the political
>famine in the Ukraine are unquestioned facts. No one today seriously
>disputes the facts that they happened even though we can never know the
>exact numbers.
Funny, if I said that we can never know the exact numbers of people killed
in the Holocaust, revisionists would jump all over me demanding
documentation and exact numbers of deaths down to the last person. Yet,
here you are making a blanket statement that no one knows the exact number
of people killed in the Ukraine, and you accept it without question.
Interesting.
>On the other hand, the alleged extermination of European Jewry during
>1939-45 is only that: an allegation. It is not a proven fact, much as a
>great many people passionately wish it so.
Sorry, but it *is* a fact, no matter how much deniers like yourself try to
wish it were not, and no one seriously questions it except for neo-Nazis,
Aryan nationalists, and Hitler apologists like yourself. The historical
evidence is abundant, and has been hashed over again and again here and
elsewhere.
>But let us suppose it WERE a
>proven and accepted fact.
Easy enough, because it is.
>then we may ask: Can the first be used to
>"justify" the second? The answer is: No, it cannot be so used. However,
>it most certainly knocks the Jews off their high moral perch. It makes
>it permissible to say to the Jews: Well, you brought all this on
>yourselves. What you sow; you reap.
What a ridiculous argument. First, you're buying into the myth that the
Bolsheviks were a Jewish movement. But, that's beside my point. You state
that the first (presumably your fantastical Jewish/Bolshevik slaughter of
Christians) cannot be used to justify the second (the Holocaust). But then
you go on to do essentially that, by stating that you can use this
fantastical Jewish/Bolshevik slaughter to justify the Holocaust by telling
the Jews that they "brought it all on themselves" and that they're only
"reaping" what they supposedly sowed.
At least get your story straight. This is the classic revisionist
sleight-of-hand that says: "The Holocaust never happened, but the Jews
brought it upon themselves."
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Hilary Ostrov
On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:08:27 -0400, in <3583BD...@earthlink.net>,
"Richard G. Philllips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>>
>> In article <3582e0b6...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (Ian P.
>> McKinney) wrote:
>>
>> > Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> From "The Bolshevik Canard," by Rich Green:
>>
>> <begin quote>
>>
>> Holocaust deniers and Nazi-apologists often make some very revealing
>> claims regarding Jews, Bolshevism, and Stalinism. They often claim that
>> Bolshevism was a Jewish movement that resulted in mass murder of
>> Christians on a scale much larger than the Final Solution. The implication
>> is that even though the Holocaust did not happen, the Jews deserved it
>> and/or the fact that Stalinist committed mass murder somehow diminishes
>> the fact that the Nazis and their accomplices committed mass murder. Even
>> if the Holocaust-deniers and Nazi-apologists had their facts straight, one
>> would have to wonder at their reasoning. How does the supposed fact that
>> some Jews committed mass murder justify mass murder of Jews?
>> Notwithstanding, this absurd and inhumane implication we must, as usual
>> call into question the supposed facts....
>
>=================================================
>Phillips
>
>The death toll resulting from the Bolshevik Revolution and the political
>famine in the Ukraine are unquestioned facts. [...]
Excuse me, Mr. "Philllips." How did *you* manage to determine that
these death tolls became "unquestioned facts"?
Was it your left brain, your right brain or your "gut" that led you to
this conclusion?
But, in any event ....
>No one today seriously
>disputes the facts that they happened even though we can never know the
>exact numbers.
>
Precisely. And the key word here, Mr. "Philllips," is *seriously*.
Those who *pretend* to "dispute the facts" of the Holocaust -
including pasting parrots such as yourself, but more particularly
those creative minds who set themselves the task of providing the body
of pseudo-academic work that constitutes "revisionist scholarship" -
have demonstrated time and again that they are *serious* about their
_willful disregard_ of the facts.
Nor can their "questions" be considered "serious" by anyone who has a
modicum of critical thinking skills. That such "scholars" are intent
on recycling their "questions" ad infinitum - in willful disregard of
the certain knowledge that the answers *have* been given - is evidence
not of any "serious questioning of the facts" of the Holocaust, but of
the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of their pretensions to
"scholarship".
As far as "facts" are concerned, Mr. "Philllips," the extent of
respect accorded by these "revisionist scholars" to "the facts" was
most succinctly and - honestly - described some months ago by one of
alt. revisionism's most prolific posters, Joe Bellinger, who once
wrote:
"I don't care what the facts are."
[jbell...@aol.com (Jbellingxx) in
<19971127210...@ladder02.news.aol.com>]
Oddly enough, Mr. "Philllips," you and he represent the extreme ends
of a continuum on which one can place the proponents and practitioners
of the sham of "revisionist scholarship."
Invariably, such individuals eventually reveal the cloth from which
their "arguments" are cut. You are quite open about your bigotry and
anti-Semitism, Mr. "Philllips." Bellinger vehemently protests that he
is neither a bigot nor anti-Semitic - notwithstanding the mountain of
evidence he has provided to the contrary. All of the others are
somewhere in between.
So, by all means, Mr. "Philllips," do carry on your "questioning" of
the facts of the Holocaust. But, please, spare us the intellectually
dishonest pretension that your "questions" are "serious".
"serious" a. thoughtful, earnest; important; demanding thought;
sincere; not negligible. [The Little Oxford Dictionary of Current
English]
[rest deleted]
hro
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Ian P. McKinney
On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:28:14 GMT, ORA...@aol.com (ORAC) wrote:
>What a ridiculous argument. First, you're buying into the myth that the
>Bolsheviks were a Jewish movement.
How many times do we have to go through this charade of denying the
Jew's involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution?
Read on:
Rabbi S. Wise, Head Rabbi for America, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.
It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, Lazar Kaganovich, the most powerful Jew
in the USSR, orchestrated a campaign where 20 million Ukranian farmers
were deliberately starved to death during the 1920's in one of the
most vile campaigns in history. Besides Kaganovich, in (the) Ukraine,
"Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,"
reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.
Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia and Eastern
Europe, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at
Richard G. Philllips
Harry Katz wrote:
>
> Ian P. McKinney wrote:
>
> I see. Karl Marx, a Jew, created communism,...
>
> Karl Marx never was a Jew. His parents converted to Christianity before
> he was born. In other words, Christianity created Karl Marx, who then
> created "scientific socialism" to replace the "unscientific" socialism
> that had not been invented by Jews, but had been floating around
> Europe for decades.
>
> --
> Harry Katz
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PHillips
I am going to say something which many people will find wildly out of
character. I am going to put in a good word for KM.
True, his origins were Jewish, yet he has often struck me as being more
German than Jewish, (though i have never considered the two to be
mutually exclusive).
Let us remember that Marx was honestly attempting to address the real
problem of the catastrophe that mechanization had brought upon the
ordinary working people of Britain, those having neither land nor
capital nor commercial talents; that is, those with nothing to offer but
their muscles. The conditions under which those people lived and worked
in the early and middle 19th century were harsh beyond our imagining.
Marx is hated today largely because he rejected both nationalism and
religion. that charge is a vlid one.
Another charge that is most certainly NOT a valid one is that he had
sympathy for colored races. I can assure you that he had none whatever.
Marx was a European to his fingertips.
======================================
Ian P. McKinney
On 16 Jun 1998 17:58:00 -0700, daf...@daffer.net (William Daffer)
wrote:
>
>In article <3586ea7...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
>P. McKinney) writes:
>> Oh, I see. Karl Marx, a Jew, created communism, the big Jew bankers,
>> Jacob Schiff for one, financed it, and Jews were in the lion's share
>> of leading positions, but that doesn't in any way constitute control.
>> Yeah right.
>>
>>
>
> So you name 2 names, then drop into your standard 'Jews were in the
>lion's share of leading postions' vagueness and expect us to believe
>you.
Two names? You can't be serious. Did you even bother to read my
original posting? Do I have to post it again?
If you're going to make comments in an on-going discussion, at least
give us the courtesy to read what was said previously.
Ian P. McKinney
>I am going to say something which many people will find wildly out of
>character. I am going to put in a good word for KM.
>
>True, his origins were Jewish, yet he has often struck me as being more
>German than Jewish, (though i have never considered the two to be
>mutually exclusive).
The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
Karl Marx as a Jew. The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
>Marx is hated today largely because he rejected both nationalism and
>religion. that charge is a vlid one.
>
>Another charge that is most certainly NOT a valid one is that he had
>sympathy for colored races. I can assure you that he had none whatever.
>Marx was a European to his fingertips.
I'll agree that Marx had made some very disparaging remarks about
Blacks, referring to them as animals and so on.
I disagree on the last part of your statement. Karl Marx was a Jew,
not a European in the most important sense. Even in his personal life
he represented the antithesis of "noble" by European standards. His
communism was an affront to natural law and order, and thus a
perversion.
Yale F. Edeiken
> <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >I am going to say something which many people will find wildly out of
> >character. I am going to put in a good word for KM.
> >True, his origins were Jewish, yet he has often struck me as being more
> >German than Jewish, (though i have never considered the two to be
> >mutually exclusive).
> The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
> Karl Marx as a Jew.
Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
such claim.
When Bellinger made this identical claim, he shuffled his feet and
scrtached his head and mumbled that the Encyclopedia Judiaca was not the only
encyclopedia although he, as you did, told us it was from "the Jewish
encyclopedia." Please try to do better.
> The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
> unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
> as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
> Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
His parents were Jewush. They had abandoned their faith.
--YFE
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Richard G. Philllips wrote:
>
>
> I am going to say something which many people will find wildly out of
> character. I am going to put in a good word for KM.
>
> True, his origins were Jewish, yet he has often struck me as being more
> German than Jewish, (though i have never considered the two to be
> mutually exclusive).
Even if he struck you as more like an Eskimo, that would not alter the fact
that he is considered Jewish enough to qualify for admission to the pantheon
of Jewish culture heroes.
>
>
> Let us remember that Marx was honestly attempting to address the real
> problem of the catastrophe that mechanization had brought upon the
> ordinary working people of Britain, those having neither land nor
> capital nor commercial talents; that is, those with nothing to offer but
> their muscles. The conditions under which those people lived and worked
> in the early and middle 19th century were harsh beyond our imagining.
The authoritarianism and tyrannical oppression implicit in Marx's ideas were
evident from the beginning, notably to such associates as Max Stirner and
Bakunin. For sneering venom see The German Ideology, where Marx replies to his
ciritics.
>
>
> Marx is hated today largely because he rejected both nationalism and
> religion. that charge is a vlid one.
>
> Another charge that is most certainly NOT a valid one is that he had
> sympathy for colored races. I can assure you that he had none whatever.
>
Nor for the Jews for that matter, see his On the Jewish Question.
> ======================================
Alexander Baron
> > Oh, I see. Karl Marx, a Jew, created communism, the big Jew bankers,
> > Jacob Schiff for one, financed it, and Jews were in the lion's share
> > of leading positions, but that doesn't in any way constitute control.
> > Yeah right.
Karl Marx didn't create communism; if anything he was a plagiarist. The
"Russian" Revolution was financed primarily by Gentile bankers, see Sutton's
excellent study Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution. Sutton speculates
that a lot of the Jewish conspiracy stuff was thrown up as a smokescreen.
Schiff apparently was as unhappy with the Bolsheviks as he was with the
Tzars.
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Alexander Baron
In article <358740...@earthlink.net>
rgp...@earthlink.net "Richard G. Philllips" writes:
> Marx is hated today largely because he rejected both nationalism and
> religion. that charge is a vlid one.
Marx didn't hate nationalism; he was a great admirer of Imperialist America
and a far worse "racist" than Hitler ever was. It always amazes me that the
lunatic fringe make so much of his Jewish origins.
Ian P. McKinney
On 17 Jun 98 07:22:14 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>> The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
>> Karl Marx as a Jew.
>
> Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
>such claim.
I have the article somewhere in my archives. If it wasn't from the
Jewish Encyclopedia, it was another official Jewish publication.
> When Bellinger made this identical claim, he shuffled his feet and
>scrtached his head and mumbled that the Encyclopedia Judiaca was not the only
>encyclopedia although he, as you did, told us it was from "the Jewish
>encyclopedia." Please try to do better.
Found it.
Dr. Fredrick Lachman, Executive Editor of the Encyclopedia Judaica,
confirms that Marx's both grandfathers and at least one uncle were
rabbis. He reports that his father was forced to convert to
protestantism in 1817 a year before Karl was born, but Karl himself
wasn't converted until he was six. Apparently his mother never
converted and thus it was necessary to for Karl to make an official
conversion years after he was born. That means Karl was born a Jew by
a Jewish mother.
This info appeared in "Inside Judaica". I have an undated fasimile
reprint of the original article at hand, although I'm absolutely
certain I have seen essentially the same information in other official
Jewish publications.
>> The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
>> unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
>> as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
>> Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
>
> His parents were Jewush. They had abandoned their faith.
There's no proof that his mother converted. Only his father. Needless
to say, I consider any person born of Jewish parents to be a Jew until
proven otherwise by actions, thought, and deed.
daf...@primenet.com
In article <898064...@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> In article <m2yauwh...@daffer.net> daf...@daffer.net "William Daffer"
writes:
>
> > > Oh, I see. Karl Marx, a Jew, created communism, the big Jew bankers,
> > > Jacob Schiff for one, financed it, and Jews were in the lion's share
> > > of leading positions, but that doesn't in any way constitute control.
> > > Yeah right.
>
I just want to point out that I didn't write the preceeding, Mr. Phillips
did. My response to this quote was cut, innocently I think, by Mr. Baron.
Since Mr. Baron disagrees with Mr. Phillips, as I do, I will forego
restoring my response to Mr. Phillips desultory phillipic.
> Karl Marx didn't create communism; if anything he was a plagiarist. The
> "Russian" Revolution was financed primarily by Gentile bankers, see Sutton's
> excellent study Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution. Sutton speculates
> that a lot of the Jewish conspiracy stuff was thrown up as a smokescreen.
> Schiff apparently was as unhappy with the Bolsheviks as he was with the
> Tzars.
>
If Marx was a plagarist, whom did he plagarize?
> --
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> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
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Alexander Baron
In article <3587bbfe...@news.usaor.net>
i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
> >Karl Marx didn't create communism; if anything he was a plagiarist.
>
> How's that?
Check out Nathaniel Weyl's excellent book KARL MARX: RACIST
>
>
> > The
> >"Russian" Revolution was financed primarily by Gentile bankers, see Sutton's
> >excellent study Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution. Sutton speculates
> >that a lot of the Jewish conspiracy stuff was thrown up as a smokescreen.
> >Schiff apparently was as unhappy with the Bolsheviks as he was with the
> >Tzars.
>
> I recall this is the same Sutton who claimed in another book that Wall
> Street financed Hitler too. Of course, that was debunked by Jim and
> Susan Poole's excellent book, "Who Financed Hitler?" Sutton is one of
> these people who see Wall Street everywhere.
It was not debunked by Poole & Poole. The corporate structure of the
National Socialist state and the influence of Farben are well documented.
Sutton's mistake is his interpretation; Hitler was not a "banker's" man
but he wasn't a real revolutionary either; he ditched the ideas of Gottfried
Feder more or less.
>
> As far as gentile bankers go, the largest one at the time, J.P.
> Morgan, was financing Kolchak's White Army, not the commies. Schiff, I
> suspect, had advance information on the impending revolution through a
> network of his fellow Jews and got in early. Nonetheless, it was
> publicly admitted years later by his grandson that old man Schiff had
> poured at least $20 million into the Bolshevik struggle.
That may or may not be true; I have seen the claim but not the evidence;
it is documented though that even if Schiff did finance the Bolsheviks that
he had second thoughts about them.
Steve Mock
Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> >> The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
> >> unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
> >> as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
> >> Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
> >
> > His parents were Jewush. They had abandoned their faith.
>
> There's no proof that his mother converted. Only his father. Needless
> to say, I consider any person born of Jewish parents to be a Jew until
> proven otherwise by actions, thought, and deed.
Actions, thought and deed? In that case, the anti-Semite Marx is definintely
discounted. (see the two essays by Marx published collectively under the title:
"On the Jewish Question", which contain stereotypes equating Judaism with
materialism and speaks of "the emancipation of soceity from Jewry").
Steve Mock
Ian P. McKinney
The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
communism. I call it Judaism."
Case closed.
Ian P. McKinney
>In article <3587bbfe...@news.usaor.net>
> i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
>> I recall this is the same Sutton who claimed in another book that Wall
>> Street financed Hitler too. Of course, that was debunked by Jim and
>> Susan Poole's excellent book, "Who Financed Hitler?" Sutton is one of
>> these people who see Wall Street everywhere.
>
>It was not debunked by Poole & Poole. The corporate structure of the
>National Socialist state and the influence of Farben are well documented.
>Sutton's mistake is his interpretation; Hitler was not a "banker's" man
>but he wasn't a real revolutionary either; he ditched the ideas of Gottfried
>Feder more or less.
The important fact shown by the Pooles was that the NSDAP was from the
beginning funded mostly by small contributions from it's members and
not Wall Street. Of course, the German industrialists got on board
when they realized that Hitler's party had a real chance of taking
control, but that occurred later.
>> As far as gentile bankers go, the largest one at the time, J.P.
>> Morgan, was financing Kolchak's White Army, not the commies. Schiff, I
>> suspect, had advance information on the impending revolution through a
>> network of his fellow Jews and got in early. Nonetheless, it was
>> publicly admitted years later by his grandson that old man Schiff had
>> poured at least $20 million into the Bolshevik struggle.
>
>That may or may not be true; I have seen the claim but not the evidence;
>it is documented though that even if Schiff did finance the Bolsheviks that
>he had second thoughts about them.
That's speculation too, however I believe there's exists a telegram of
congratulation Schiff sent to the Bolsheviks the contents of which
are reproduced from time to time in various publications.
Harry Katz
Ian P. McKinney spews:
The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves,
lists Karl Marx as a Jew.
The Jewish Encyclopedia mentions Karl Marx only because Gentiles like
Mr. McKinney persist in identifying him as a Jew. The encyclopedia,
nevertheless, does not list Marx "as a Jew!" Furthermore, Marx's
parents were not Jewish, either. They converted to Christianity
before his birth.
--
Harry Katz
Alexander Baron
> If Marx was a plagarist, whom did he plagarize?
>
A Chartist. Read Weyl's book; Weyl is Jewish and a bit of a renegade; he
certainly doesn't like Organised Jewry and takes a few swipes at their
schemes in one of his other books. I've never had any time for the Communism
is Jewish nutters.
Alexander Baron
In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net>
> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
> communism. I call it Judaism."
That is yet another fake quote. There are a lot of them in circulation,
including by Hitler.
Alexander Baron
In article <3587be56...@news.usaor.net>
i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
> On 17 Jun 98 07:22:14 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>
> >> The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
> >> Karl Marx as a Jew.
> >
> > Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
> >such claim.
>
> I have the article somewhere in my archives. If it wasn't from the
> Jewish Encyclopedia, it was another official Jewish publication.
>
He probably means the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia.
Alexander Baron
In article <3587f416...@news.usaor.net>
i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
> The important fact shown by the Pooles was that the NSDAP was from the
> beginning funded mostly by small contributions from it's members and
> not Wall Street.
Correct.
> Of course, the German industrialists got on board
> when they realized that Hitler's party had a real chance of taking
> control, but that occurred later.
Correct too, but this happens everywhere. Adam Smith commented on this sort
of "conspiracy" for want of a better word.
> That's speculation too, however I believe there's exists a telegram of
> congratulation Schiff sent to the Bolsheviks the contents of which
> are reproduced from time to time in various publications.
I think that's another fake. You have to be extremely careful with this sort
of thing. The Sisson documents for example were proved to be largely fake
although based in part on authentic material.
Ian P. McKinney
On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:47:37 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
wrote:
>Ian P. McKinney spews:
>
> The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves,
> lists Karl Marx as a Jew.
>
>The Jewish Encyclopedia mentions Karl Marx only because Gentiles like
>Mr. McKinney persist in identifying him as a Jew.
Since when do Jews care what gentiles think?
>The encyclopedia,
>nevertheless, does not list Marx "as a Jew!" Furthermore, Marx's
>parents were not Jewish, either. They converted to Christianity
>before his birth.
If that were true why did Karl Marx have to convert to Protestantism
at age six? Evidently his mom remained a Jewess until after he was
born at least. That means Karl was born a Jew, since Jewish law
recognizes the Jewishness of the mother as the deciding factor. It's
the only explanation.
Ian P. McKinney
>In article <3587f416...@news.usaor.net>
> i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
>> That's speculation too, however I believe there's exists a telegram of
>> congratulation Schiff sent to the Bolsheviks the contents of which
>> are reproduced from time to time in various publications.
>
>I think that's another fake. You have to be extremely careful with this sort
>of thing. The Sisson documents for example were proved to be largely fake
>although based in part on authentic material.
I can't prove the authenticity of that telegram, but it sounds
plausible. However, what's not fake is a news story carried in a major
NY daily that quoted Schiff's grandson admitting that Jacob gave the
Bolsheviks $20 million.
Yale F. Edeiken
> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> On 17 Jun 98 07:22:14 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> >> The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
> >> Karl Marx as a Jew.
> > Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
> >such claim.
> I have the article somewhere in my archives. If it wasn't from the
> Jewish Encyclopedia, it was another official Jewish publication.
First. You stated "the Jewish encyclopedia." The best known is the
Encyclopedia Judicata. Second, it is not "official" in any sense of the word. Nor is
any other such book or set of books. There is not even an "official" edition of the
Talmud.
> > When Bellinger made this identical claim, he shuffled his feet and
> >scrtached his head and mumbled that the Encyclopedia Judiaca was not the only
> >encyclopedia although he, as you did, told us it was from "the Jewish
> >encyclopedia." Please try to do better.
> Found it.
> Dr. Fredrick Lachman, Executive Editor of the Encyclopedia Judaica,
> confirms that Marx's both grandfathers and at least one uncle were
> rabbis. He reports that his father was forced to convert to
> protestantism in 1817 a year before Karl was born, but Karl himself
> wasn't converted until he was six. Apparently his mother never
> converted and thus it was necessary to for Karl to make an official
> conversion years after he was born. That means Karl was born a Jew by
> a Jewish mother.
The Encylcopedia Judicata does not state that his mother never
converted.
Allan Matthews
In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net says...
>The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
>Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
So, then, I guess that since Marxism also at one time attracted a large
number of Germans, then that is proof of the German-ness of it.
Also, then, since Marxism also at one time attracted a large number of
Chinese, then that is also proof of the Orientalness of it.
And, then, since Marxism also at one time attracted a large number of
Latin Americans, then that is proof of the Latin American-ness of it.
etc., etc.
Clearly logical thinking is not one of your strong suits.
allan
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William Daffer
In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
P. McKinney) writes:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:42:49 +0000, Steve Mock
> <sm...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>
> >Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> >
> >> >> The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
> >> >> unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
> >> >> as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
> >> >> Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
> >> >
> >> > His parents were Jewush. They had abandoned their faith.
> >>
> >> There's no proof that his mother converted. Only his father. Needless
> >> to say, I consider any person born of Jewish parents to be a Jew until
> >> proven otherwise by actions, thought, and deed.
> >
> >Actions, thought and deed? In that case, the anti-Semite Marx is definintely
> >discounted. (see the two essays by Marx published collectively under the title:
> >"On the Jewish Question", which contain stereotypes equating Judaism with
> >materialism and speaks of "the emancipation of soceity from Jewry").
>
> The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
>
By that argument, Marx was Chinese.
> After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
> communism. I call it Judaism."
>
> Case closed.
Case closed, indeed!
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Ian P. McKinney
On 17 Jun 98 22:10:48 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>> Found it.
>
>> Dr. Fredrick Lachman, Executive Editor of the Encyclopedia Judaica,
>> confirms that Marx's both grandfathers and at least one uncle were
>> rabbis. He reports that his father was forced to convert to
>> protestantism in 1817 a year before Karl was born, but Karl himself
>> wasn't converted until he was six. Apparently his mother never
>> converted and thus it was necessary to for Karl to make an official
>> conversion years after he was born. That means Karl was born a Jew by
>> a Jewish mother.
>
> The Encylcopedia Judicata does not state that his mother never
>converted.
It doesn't say that she did either. If both mother and father were
converts to Protestantism before there would have been no need for
young Karl to convert. The only explanation is that Mrs. Marx remained
a religious Jew until after Karl was born.
Yale F. Edeiken
> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> On 17 Jun 98 22:10:48 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> >> Found it.
> >> Dr. Fredrick Lachman, Executive Editor of the Encyclopedia Judaica,
> >> confirms that Marx's both grandfathers and at least one uncle were
> >> rabbis. He reports that his father was forced to convert to
> >> protestantism in 1817 a year before Karl was born, but Karl himself
> >> wasn't converted until he was six. Apparently his mother never
> >> converted and thus it was necessary to for Karl to make an official
> >> conversion years after he was born. That means Karl was born a Jew by
> >> a Jewish mother.
> > The Encylcopedia Judicata does not state that his mother never
> >converted.
> It doesn't say that she did either.
If they were married AFTER he converted, the marriage would not have
been performed.
> If both mother and father were
> converts to Protestantism before there would have been no need for
> young Karl to convert. The only explanation is that Mrs. Marx remained
> a religious Jew until after Karl was born.
That's YOUR explanation. It is speculation based on your anti-Semitism.
There are a number of other possible reasons including a switch in the churches
they were attending.
Ian P. McKinney
On 18 Jun 98 02:14:08 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>> On 17 Jun 98 22:10:48 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>> >> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>> It doesn't say that she did either.
>
> If they were married AFTER he converted, the marriage would not have
>been performed.
Maybe they had a civil ceremony, not a religious one. Or he converted
after the marriage, but she didn't.
>
> That's YOUR explanation. It is speculation based on your anti-Semitism.
>There are a number of other possible reasons including a switch in the churches
>they were attending.
My opinion is based on logic given the facts at hand.
Ian P. McKinney
On 17 Jun 1998 19:44:00 -0700, daf...@daffer.net (William Daffer)
wrote:
>
>In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
>P. McKinney) writes:
>> The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
>> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
>>
>
> By that argument, Marx was Chinese.
The point is that he wasn't a White gentile, Aryan, or whatever you
want to describe a non-Jewish, White European. The fact is that he was
a Jew by White nationalist standards - the only ones I care about.
>> After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
>> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
>> communism. I call it Judaism."
>>
>> Case closed.
>
>
> Case closed, indeed!
Yes it is!
sm...@veritas.nizkor.org
In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net>,
i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:42:49 +0000, Steve Mock
> <sm...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>
> >Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> >
> >> There's no proof that his mother converted. Only his father. Needless
> >> to say, I consider any person born of Jewish parents to be a Jew until
> >> proven otherwise by actions, thought, and deed.
> >
> >Actions, thought and deed? In that case, the anti-Semite Marx is definintely
> >discounted. (see the two essays by Marx published collectively under the
> >tittle: "On the Jewish Question", which contain stereotypes equating Judaism
> >with materialism and speaks of "the emancipation of soceity from Jewry").
>
> The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
It attracted more non-Jews than Jews, Mr McKinney. Is that proof enough of
the "Ayranness" of it?
> After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
> communism. I call it Judaism."
Since the statement is so unforgettable, I'm sure you'll be able to provide us
with the context. Go on, Mr. McKinney - what was the "it" that Rabbi Wise was
referring to (watch him not answer this one).
Steve Mock
daf...@primenet.com
In article <3588864b...@news.usaor.net>,
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
> >P. McKinney) writes:
>
> >> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
> >>
> >
>
> The point is that he wasn't a White gentile, Aryan, or whatever you
> want to describe a non-Jewish, White European. The fact is that he was
> a Jew by White nationalist standards - the only ones I care about.
>
Well, that is not what you said before, so you're still left to show
that there is something 'inherently' Jewish about Marx's 'rubbish'
> >> After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
> >> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
> >> communism. I call it Judaism."
> >>
> >> Case closed.
> >
> >
> > Case closed, indeed!
>
> Yes it is!
For you, perhaps.
daf...@primenet.com
In article <358741d...@news.usaor.net>,> On 16 Jun 1998 17:58:00 -0700, daf...@daffer.net (William Daffer)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In article <3586ea7...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
> >P. McKinney) writes:
>
> >> Oh, I see. Karl Marx, a Jew, created communism, the big Jew bankers,
> >> Jacob Schiff for one, financed it, and Jews were in the lion's share
> >> of leading positions, but that doesn't in any way constitute control.
> >> Yeah right.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >lion's share of leading postions' vagueness and expect us to believe
> >you.
>
> Two names? You can't be serious. Did you even bother to read my
> original posting? Do I have to post it again?
>
> If you're going to make comments in an on-going discussion, at least
> give us the courtesy to read what was said previously.
>
I've been following this discussion for several days and haven't seen
anything more *specific* from you than this post. If you have something,
please repost it, like with citations and arguments rather than mere assertion
and _ipse dixit_ . Otherwise, shut up!
Ian P. McKinney
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:20:59 GMT, daf...@primenet.com wrote:
> I've been following this discussion for several days and haven't seen
>anything more *specific* from you than this post. If you have something,
>please repost it, like with citations and arguments rather than mere assertion
>and _ipse dixit_ . Otherwise, shut up!
One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
"Russian Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming
majority of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those
sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who
brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a
Jewish created and lead revolutionary movement.
First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
Karl Marx, was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his
father's side. Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant
importance, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance
to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would probably identify
themselves as atheists, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government."
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been
discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive
Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl
Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach),
Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moisei Uritsky.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm conviction that this
thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
of New York...The latest startling information, given me by someone
with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
calls himself Professor Gordon.
I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
I often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway.
This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
the agitators were Jews.
I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
Russians did not take kindly to it."
Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
April, 4, 1919)
"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin,
Rabbi S. Wise, Head Rabbi for America, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.
It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, Lazar Kaganovich, the most powerful Jew
in the USSR, orchestrated a campaign where 20 million Ukranian farmers
were deliberately starved to death during the 1920's in one of the
most vile campaigns in history. Besides Kaganovich, in (the) Ukraine,
"Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,"
reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.
Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia and Eastern
Europe, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at
the order of Jewish Communist bosses.
Jews and Post WWII Communism
During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials
were conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary
of the most well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate
involvement of Jews in communist activities against the United States.
"The Amerasia Case": In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for
stealing 1700 highly classified State Department documents. Three of
the six were Jews:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.
Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.
Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a
writer.
"Alger Hiss Case": Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most
influential men in the State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was
a protege of Jewish Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite
Frankfurter's court appearance as a character witness, Hiss was
convicted of perjury and sentenced to five years.
"Gerhard Eisler Case": Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of
the communist party ever brought to trial, was the secret boss of the
communist party between 1935 and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on
bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the propaganda chief of
communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist agent for
a number of years.
"The Hollywood Ten": In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood
Film Colony were convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to
prison. Nine of the ten were Jews:
Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New
Masses.
Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.
Lester Cole, a communist party member.
Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.
Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.
John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.
Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.
Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.
Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.
Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.
"The American Politburo": The case exposed the fact that at least six
of eleven members of the National Secretariat of the American
Communist Party were Jewish. Those identified as Jews were:
Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert
Green (real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg),
Irving Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis
(real name, Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are
unknown.
"Fuchs-Gold Spy Ring": Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was
brought to America at the personal instigation of Albert Einstein.
While working on the Manhattan Project, Fuchs had access to our
innermost atomic secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon information
obtained from Fuchs, the FBI began investigations which resulted in
the arrest of nine other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who
were all convicted, eight were Jewish:
Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in
1950, pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.
David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.
Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with
secret information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and
synthetic rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.
Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.
Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole plans for the highly
secret proximity fuse. He also aided in the theft of other atomic
secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death.
Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges.
She was the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were
executed on June 19,1953.
Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty
years.
It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic
installation was Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed
as a communist agent by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel
Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but married to a Jewess), in his book - Special
Tasks.
"Second-String Politburo": After the convictions of the first-string,
"American Politburo", a second-string was scheduled to take over the
communist operations. In 1951, the Justice Department indicted the
whole group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of which were
Jews:
Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman,
George Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob
Mindel, Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone,
Fred Fine, William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.
Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia
Jones, were negroes.
"The Round-up": On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists
party officials on the West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders
were arrested on the East Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to
overthrow the U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast,
six were identified as Jews:
Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.
Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:
Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.
---------------------------------------------------
That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against
communists in the 1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans:
Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All
three later renounced their affiliations with the communist party and
provided valuable information that lead to investigations and
convictions. Not coincidentally, all three of these former communists
were married to Jews.
Alexander Baron
In article <35883cd5...@news.usaor.net>
i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
> I can't prove the authenticity of that telegram, but it sounds
> plausible. However, what's not fake is a news story carried in a major
> NY daily that quoted Schiff's grandson admitting that Jacob gave the
> Bolsheviks $20 million.
Have you seen this actual story? I've only seen a reference to it.
Just because it was published in the newspaper doesn't mean it was true,
and Schiff may have had other motives besides promoting communism. Did you
for instance know that he was a big hero in Japan?
Harry Katz
Ian P. McKinney spewed:
Dr. Fredrick Lachman, Executive Editor of the Encyclopedia
Judaica, confirms that Marx's both grandfathers and at least one
uncle were rabbis. He reports that his father was forced to
convert to protestantism in 1817 a year before Karl was born,
but Karl himself wasn't converted until he was six.
Apparently his mother never converted and thus it was necessary
to for Karl to make an official conversion years after he was
born. That means Karl was born a Jew by a Jewish mother.
According to my copy of the "New Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" both
parents converted shortly before Karl was born. The so-called
"officail conversion" of Karl refers to his first baptism.
Furthermore, there is no mention of the father being "forced" to
convert. The father converted in order to secure public employment
which was restricted to Christians. It is curious that Mr. McKinney
maintains that the father was forced to convert, but the mother was not.
While it is very convenient for his thesis that Karl was a Jew, it
does not stand to reason.
Karl Marx himself was not interested in Jewish issues, wrote many things
that echoed the anti-Semitic writings of his time, and regarded Jews
as financial pariahs who would be eliminated by the adoption of
Communism around the world.
--
Harry Katz
--
Harry Katz
Harry Katz
Ian P. McKinney spews:
My opinion is based on logic given the facts at hand.
Mr. McKinney has neither the facts nor the logic.
--
Harry Katz
Harry Katz
Ian P. McKinney spews:
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them
deny the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in
diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik
take-over of Russia.
That is simple! The ambassador to Russia was obviously anti-Semitic
himself, and he swallowed every anti-Semitic lie told to him by the
White Russian opposition. That is the only plausible explanation for
why America was not successful in turning back the tide of revolution
in Russia -- that by going after the wrong enemy, the Jews, they let
the real enemy have a free hand.
How many Jews were in the U.S. State Department at that time?
--
Harry Katz
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <35887...@news3.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net says...
> That's YOUR explanation. It is speculation based on your
>anti-Semitism.
Still having to use the label of anti-Semitism as a weapon heh? Nothing
has changed in this ng for the past two years. You gurgle the same shit
as you did two years ago.
Billy Bob
>There are a number of other possible reasons including a switch in the
>churches they were attending.
>
Ian P. McKinney
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:17:02 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
wrote:
>Furthermore, there is no mention of the father being "forced" to
>convert. The father converted in order to secure public employment
>which was restricted to Christians. It is curious that Mr. McKinney
>maintains that the father was forced to convert, but the mother was not.
>While it is very convenient for his thesis that Karl was a Jew, it
>does not stand to reason.
I consider anyone born of two racial Jews to be a Jew. I do find it
interesting that these Jewish publications make it a point to include
articles on Marx. That's a real mystery if neither his family nor he
were Jews. Also a mystery is why did so many Jews became attracted to
the political philosophy of the alledgedly anti-Semitic Marx. Should
we expect that Jews will be flocking to Mr. Hitler next?
Ian P. McKinney
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:23:44 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
wrote:
>Ian P. McKinney spews:
>
> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
> will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them
> deny the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in
> diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
> in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik
> take-over of Russia.
>
>That is simple! The ambassador to Russia was obviously anti-Semitic
>himself, and he swallowed every anti-Semitic lie told to him by the
>White Russian opposition.
Hahaha! Oh, I see, he was "obviously" anti-Semitic because he didn't
disregard all the reports that Jews were dominating the Bolshevik
movement. That's what you're saying. What a load of crap!
> That is the only plausible explanation for
>why America was not successful in turning back the tide of revolution
>in Russia -- that by going after the wrong enemy, the Jews, they let
>the real enemy have a free hand.
There were pictures taken of these people. It was no secret that Jews
constituted most of the leaders. Even the Jews themselves bragged
about it!
You people are absolutely pathetic. Even with overwhelming evidence,
photos, neutral eyewitness accounts, government documents, etc. etc.
you still won't admit it. Amazing!
There truly is no hope for you Jews. You never learn.
ChuckF2323
Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's Undeniable.
From: A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron)
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 1998 5:50 AM
Message-id: <898149...@abaron.demon.co.uk>
In article <35883cd5...@news.usaor.net>
i...@usaor.net "Ian P. McKinney" writes:
> I can't prove the authenticity of that telegram, but it sounds
> plausible. However, what's not fake is a news story carried in a major
> NY daily that quoted Schiff's grandson admitting that Jacob gave the
> Bolsheviks $20 million.
Have you seen this actual story? I've only seen a reference to it.
Just because it was published in the newspaper doesn't mean it was true,
and Schiff may have had other motives besides promoting communism. Did you
for instance know that he was a big hero in Japan?
CF:>>>>More proof that Baron is after people of the Jewish Faith. None of the
other stuff really matters. A sorry bigot, just like the others.
Chuck Ferree
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ChuckF2323
Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's Undeniable.
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 1998 6:18 PM
Message-id: <35895949...@mci.com>
Ian P. McKinney spews:
My opinion is based on logic given the facts at hand.
Mr. McKinney has neither the facts nor the logic.
CF:>>>>Among the many other things he lacks!
Chuck Ferree
--
Harry Katz
ChuckF2323
Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair.
It's Undeniable.
From: Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 1998 6:23 PM
Message-id: <35895A93...@mci.com>
Ian P. McKinney spews:
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them
deny the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in
diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik
take-over of Russia.
That is simple! The ambassador to Russia was obviously anti-Semitic
himself, and he swallowed every anti-Semitic lie told to him by the
White Russian opposition. That is the only plausible explanation for
why America was not successful in turning back the tide of revolution
in Russia -- that by going after the wrong enemy, the Jews, *they let
the real enemy have a free hand.
CF:>>>>>>Who is *they?
How many Jews were in the U.S. State Department at that time?
CF:>>>>>I don't think it matters. They were Americans, and our government does
not exclude people because of religious beliefs.
I do not mean to say here that our government doesn't have and always has had
some dim bulbs in government service. I could name a few, but why bother.
ChuckF2323
Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's Undeniable.
From: bill...@anonymity.com (Billy Bob Throckmorton)
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 1998 6:27 PM
Message-id: <6mbm78$4...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
In article <35887...@news3.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net says...
> That's YOUR explanation. It is speculation based on your
>anti-Semitism.
Still having to use the label of anti-Semitism as a weapon heh? Nothing
has changed in this ng for the past two years. You gurgle the same shit
as you did two years ago.
Billy Bob
CF:>>>>And you on the other hand, Billy Bob (married to a first cousin, I bet,
) come up with new and original posts every time.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ROTFLMAO
CHUCK FERREE
>There are a number of other possible reasons including a switch in the
>churches they were attending.
>
> --YFE
>
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Steve Mock
Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:17:02 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Furthermore, there is no mention of the father being "forced" to
> >convert. The father converted in order to secure public employment
> >which was restricted to Christians. It is curious that Mr. McKinney
> >maintains that the father was forced to convert, but the mother was not.
> >While it is very convenient for his thesis that Karl was a Jew, it
> >does not stand to reason.
>
> I consider anyone born of two racial Jews to be a Jew. I do find it
> interesting that these Jewish publications make it a point to include
> articles on Marx. That's a real mystery if neither his family nor he
> were Jews. Also a mystery is why did so many Jews became attracted to
> the political philosophy of the alledgedly anti-Semitic Marx.
The whole point, which you miss, is that Jews who became Marxists repudiated
their Jewish identity in doing so. That was why traditional Jewish institutions
resisted Marxism so vehemently.
> Should
> we expect that Jews will be flocking to Mr. Hitler next?
Hitler defined Jews in racial terms, as you do. In following Marxism, Jews
renounced their Jewish identity and became Marxists. By Hitler's definition,
one remained a Jew even if one renounced Judaism. It wasn't simply that Jews
*didn't* flock to Hitler, they *couldn't*. As far as Hitler was concerned, the
only good Jew was a dead Jew.
Steve Mock
Ian P. McKinney
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:29:55 +0000, Steve Mock
<sm...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>Ian P. McKinney wrote:
>
>> I consider anyone born of two racial Jews to be a Jew. I do find it
>> interesting that these Jewish publications make it a point to include
>> articles on Marx. That's a real mystery if neither his family nor he
>> were Jews. Also a mystery is why did so many Jews became attracted to
>> the political philosophy of the alledgedly anti-Semitic Marx.
>
>The whole point, which you miss, is that Jews who became Marxists repudiated
>their Jewish identity in doing so. That was why traditional Jewish institutions
>resisted Marxism so vehemently.
ROTFL Who the hell are you trying to kid? The ADL was constantly
running interference and putting up smokescreens for communist outfits
during the 1950s. Everytime somebody got on the trail of a bunch of
commies, the ADL was right there screaming "anti-Semitism" and
"scapegoat."
Wow, you really know how to re-write history.
>> Should
>> we expect that Jews will be flocking to Mr. Hitler next?
>
>Hitler defined Jews in racial terms, as you do. In following Marxism, Jews
>renounced their Jewish identity and became Marxists. By Hitler's definition,
>one remained a Jew even if one renounced Judaism. It wasn't simply that Jews
>*didn't* flock to Hitler, they *couldn't*. As far as Hitler was concerned, the
>only good Jew was a dead Jew.
I'm not Hitler.
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <199806181937...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
chuck...@aol.com says...
>
>Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's
Undeniable.
>From: bill...@anonymity.com (Billy Bob Throckmorton)
>Date: Thu, Jun 18, 1998 6:27 PM
>Message-id: <6mbm78$4...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
>
>In article <35887...@news3.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net says...
>
>> That's YOUR explanation. It is speculation based on your
>>anti-Semitism.
>
>Still having to use the label of anti-Semitism as a weapon heh? Nothing
>has changed in this ng for the past two years. You gurgle the same shit
>as you did two years ago.
>
> Billy Bob
>
>CF:>>>>And you on the other hand, Billy Bob (married to a first
>
>CHUCK FERREE
You are a bigot and an ignorant one yet. How dare you have the audacity
and temerity to take umbrage of my name. Is this all your side is
capable of? I presented Mr. Edeiken with a serious observation and then
you reply in the only manner you are capable of; you make fun of my
name. I mainly see this behavior from the Nizkor group.
Billy Bob
Chuck Ferree
From Chuck Ferree
Billy Bob Throckmorton wrote:
AKA I donno yet!
> In article <199806181937...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> chuck...@aol.com says...
> >
> >Subject: Re: The "Russian Revolution" Was A Jewish Affair. It's
> Undeniable.
> >From: bill...@anonymity.com (Billy Bob Throckmorton)
clips
> You are a bigot and an ignorant one yet.
Who is the bigot here, Billy Bob? You are the person bad mouthing people of
the Jewish Faith. That makes you the bigot, Billy Bob. (snicker, snicker)
silly name
> How dare you have the audacity
> and temerity to take umbrage of my name.
CF:>>>>Because I do have the audacity and temerity to take umbrage of your
name and that ain't all.
> Is this all your side is
> capable of?
CF:>>>>>No, as a matter of fact there aren't any sides. Which side are you
on Billy Bob?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry, can't help myself, Billy Bob.
> I presented Mr. Edeiken with a serious observation and then
> you reply in the only manner you are capable of; you make fun of my
> name.
CF:>>>>You are laboring under the impression that your observation was
serious. umpppffffffff, sniffle, stifle.
> I mainly see this behavior from the Nizkor group.
CF:>>>>Who 'dem, Billy Bob?
>
>
> Billy Bob
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! BAD MANNERS I know, and I apologize, Billy
Bob.
You'd probably laugh at my name, but I aint gonna tell ya. So there, Billy
Bob.
ROTFLMAO
Chuck Ferree (a grown man too)
>
>
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
Philllips") wrote:
> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
standards, nothing at all has been proved.
> [...deletia...]
> That's what is called winning an argument by assertion.
Liar should know, since he's made liberal use of the tactic ever since he
arrived on Usenet.
JGB
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"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
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Alex Vange
Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
<35876...@news3.enter.net>...
> > i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:03:54 -0400, "Richard G. Philllips"
> > <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> > >I am going to say something which many people will find wildly out of
> > >character. I am going to put in a good word for KM.
>
> > >True, his origins were Jewish, yet he has often struck me as being
more
> > >German than Jewish, (though i have never considered the two to be
> > >mutually exclusive).
>
> > The fact is that the Jewish Encyclopedia, if my memory serves, lists
> > Karl Marx as a Jew.
>
> Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
> such claim.
>
> When Bellinger made this identical claim, he shuffled his feet and
> scrtached his head and mumbled that the Encyclopedia Judiaca was not the
only
> encyclopedia although he, as you did, told us it was from "the Jewish
> encyclopedia." Please try to do better.
>
> > The issue of whether he was a "religious Jew" is
> > unimportant to me - even the Jews argue about what makes a Jew. I say
> > as a practical matter that if a person has Jewish parents, then he's a
> > Jew. Karl Marx is generally considered to be a Jew.
>
> His parents were Jewush. They had abandoned their faith.
>
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in
the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there was
Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel
than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany
in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared
as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him thoughout his days, for
he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout Europe
in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being waged, whether
in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there the Jew was to be
found. It was little wonder that the enemies of social progress, the
monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of the whole liberal movement
as nothing but a Jewish plot."
Yale F. Edeiken
> "Alex Vange" <va...@i1.net> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
> > Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
> > such claim.
> Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
> published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
> "Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
> though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel
> than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany
> in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared
> as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
> father.
Thank you for providing evidence that I was correct.
Ian P. McKinney
On 19 Jun 98 02:16:54 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> "Alex Vange" <va...@i1.net> writes:
>
>> Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
>
>
>> > Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
>> > such claim.
>
>> Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
>> published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
>
>> "Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
>> though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel
>> than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany
>> in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared
>> as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
>> father.
>
> Thank you for providing evidence that I was correct.
Then you conveiniently snipped the part that proves you wrong. Did you
honestly think we wouldn't notice that?
Yale F. Edeiken
> >> > Your memory serves you poorly. The Encylcopedia Judiaca makes no
> >> > such claim.
> >> Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
> >> published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
> >> "Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
> >> though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel
> >> than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany
> >> in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared
> >> as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
> >> father.
> > Thank you for providing evidence that I was correct.
> Then you conveiniently snipped the part that proves you wrong. Did you
> honestly think we wouldn't notice that?
Frankly I doubt that you could notice your face in a mirror. The section
quoted states he was baptized and raised as a Christian. He was, therefore, not a Jew.
The rest is irrelevant.
Ian P. McKinney
On 19 Jun 98 02:40:39 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
>> Then you conveiniently snipped the part that proves you wrong. Did you
>> honestly think we wouldn't notice that?
> Frankly I doubt that you could notice your face in a mirror. The section
>quoted states he was baptized and raised as a Christian. He was, therefore, not a Jew.
> The rest is irrelevant.
He wasn't a religious Jew. I conceeded that from the beginning,
however, Jewishness is not determined only by religion. Ben Gurion was
a Buddhist by religion, but he was the PM of Israel. How did that
happen if he wasn't a "Jew?"
Yale F. Edeiken
> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> On 19 Jun 98 02:40:39 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) writes:
> >> Then you conveiniently snipped the part that proves you wrong. Did you
> >> honestly think we wouldn't notice that?
> > Frankly I doubt that you could notice your face in a mirror. The section
> >quoted states he was baptized and raised as a Christian. He was, therefore, not a Jew.
> > The rest is irrelevant.
> He wasn't a religious Jew.
He wasn't a Jew. Period.
> I conceeded that from the beginning,
> however, Jewishness is not determined only by religion.
He wasn't brought up as a Jew. Period.
We have ruled out both nature and nurture. What's left?
> Ben Gurion was
> a Buddhist by religion, but he was the PM of Israel. How did that
> happen if he wasn't a "Jew?"
Provide me with something other than your statement of this rather absurd
assertion and I will attempt to explain it to you. It is a fact missed by at least two of his
biographers and appears to be nothing more than a delusion. Oh yes, the word of some
fruitloop Jew hater does not count as a source.
steve mock
Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:29:55 +0000, Steve Mock
> <sm...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>
> >Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> >
> >> I consider anyone born of two racial Jews to be a Jew. I do find it
> >> interesting that these Jewish publications make it a point to include
> >> articles on Marx. That's a real mystery if neither his family nor he
> >> were Jews. Also a mystery is why did so many Jews became attracted to
> >> the political philosophy of the alledgedly anti-Semitic Marx.
> >
> >The whole point, which you miss, is that Jews who became Marxists repudiated
> >their Jewish identity in doing so. That was why traditional Jewish institutions
> >resisted Marxism so vehemently.
>
> ROTFL Who the hell are you trying to kid? The ADL was constantly
> running interference and putting up smokescreens for communist outfits
> during the 1950s. Everytime somebody got on the trail of a bunch of
> commies, the ADL was right there screaming "anti-Semitism" and
> "scapegoat."
>
> Wow, you really know how to re-write history.
And you accuse ME of rewriting history? I am killing myself laughing here.
Identifying the ADL as a communist front is about as out there as you can get.
The ADL was formed to defend Jews against false accusations. When you accuse Jews of
being communists, and someone calls you an anti-Semite for the implication, that does
not mean that the person in question is defending communists. It means that they are
defending the Jews against a false accusation.
These Ayran warriors really do live in a parallel universe of their own design.
> >> Should
> >> we expect that Jews will be flocking to Mr. Hitler next?
> >
> >Hitler defined Jews in racial terms, as you do. In following Marxism, Jews
> >renounced their Jewish identity and became Marxists. By Hitler's definition,
> >one remained a Jew even if one renounced Judaism. It wasn't simply that Jews
> >*didn't* flock to Hitler, they *couldn't*. As far as Hitler was concerned, the
> >only good Jew was a dead Jew.
>
> I'm not Hitler.
I never said you were. So you accept the validity of my distinction between Marxist
and Nazi anti-Semitism, then?
Steve Mock
steve mock
steve mock wrote:
And, by the way, Mr. McKinney, before I let the discussion veer too far off of topic, the
ADL is hardly what I meant by a traditional Jewish institution. To Jews in Europe at the
time who favored continued committment to the Jewish religious tradition, Marxism was
just another way for Jews to assimilate out of the faith - in fact, considering the rabid
anti-Semitic and anti-religious sentiments expressed by Marx, adherence to Marxism was
considered by rabbis of the time to be nothing less than a repudiation of Jewish values.
If you bothered to learn anything about either Judaism or Marxism, rather than simply
making up whatever facts are convenient to you, you would know that.
Steve Mock
Harry Katz
The wit and wisdom of Ian P. McKinney:
I consider anyone born of two racial Jews to be a Jew.
We all knew that to begin with. But Mr. McK--'s contention that Jews
regard Karl Marx as one of our own is under scrutiny here, and it
fails miserbly.
I do find it interesting that these Jewish publications make it
a point to include articles on Marx. That's a real mystery if
neither his family nor he were Jews.
If that is truly a mystery to Mr. McK-- then he has no business
commenting on anything requiring intelletual exertion. His own proud
proclamation that he considers Karl Marx a Jew is what calls for the
inclusion of Marx in Jewish publications.
The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, from which I gathered my
information on Marx, also contains an article on Adolf Hitler.
Also a mystery is why did so many Jews became attracted to
the political philosophy of the alledgedly anti-Semitic Marx.
That is a simple one to answer: for the same reason that Marx's
parents converted to Christianity! Self hatred among the oppressed
is quite common, in America among Blacks and in Eastern Europe and
Russia among Jews. Besides which, no Communist, Socialist, or other
leftwing party or organization ever publishes his anti-Semitic
material, for fear it will ruin the illusion of Marx as the ultimate
democrat. In fact, I happen to own a copy of a pamphlet that is a
translation of Marx's work entitled, "A World Without Jews," which was
published by a Jewish publication house to publicize this side of Marx.
(It is a mystery to me why Mr. McK-- and his buddies cannot give Jews
credit for acts such as this that attempt to expose Marx to misinformed
Jews.)
There is one other detail. Marxism promised everyone freedom and
democracy. As there was no actual Marxism before the Russian Revolution
there was no way to know it would turn out so bad. Once Stalin began
purging Jews from his government, the attraction ended for Jews, but
Mr. McK-- mysteriousy seems to have missed that detail.
Should we expect that Jews will be flocking to Mr. Hitler next?
I believe if Hitler had included Jews in his definition of the so-called
"master race" that most German Jews would have followed him just as
blindly as the rest of the nation. Some German Jews would have joined
their German Christian neighbors in the underground struggle against
Hitler. Then again, I believe that the German people were the among the
worst victims of the Nazis.
--
Harry Katz
Harry Katz
Ian P. McKinney spews again:
Ben Gurion was a Buddhist by religion, but he was the PM of
Israel. How did that happen if he wasn't a "Jew?"
I consulted the New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia and it does not mention
Buddhism in connection with Ben Gurion. Mr. McK-- has not provided any
citation for this whopper yet.
--
Harry Katz
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <jeff_brown-18...@38.27.217.223>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>
>In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
>Philllips") wrote:
>
>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the
>> Bolshevist leadership seems pretty well established to me.
>The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's
>own tandards, nothing at all has been proved.
I am reminded of an old Humphrey Bogart movie called "The Caine Mutiny."
Everyone was a liar and a no goodnick except Captain Francis Queeg. The
one that constantly referred to others as being the liars was the one
that was mentally deranged. Do you play with your balls too Mr. Brown?
Billy Bob
Doc Tavish
>In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
>Philllips") wrote:
>
>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
Jeffrey Georg Brown <jgb...@earthlink.net> seeks to divert and says:
>The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
>standards, nothing at all has been proved.
Are you going to call these sources liars as well Georg? Here is what
Jews themselves have written about the Bolshevist leadership and
please do make note of the sources!
EVIDENCE #1
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=288129033
Subject: The Russian Revolution: Still inspiring after 80 years
(Reprinted from the November 8, 1997 issue of the People's
Weekly World. May be reprinted or reposted with PWW credit.
For subscription information see below)
"The Bolshevik Party (later the Communist Party) was the
party of the industrial workers in Russia.... After the revolution,
all legal restrictions were abolished, and the first Soviet President
was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov."
************************************************************
Tired of the same old system: Join the Communist Party, USA
Info: CP...@rednet.org; or (212) 989-4994; or
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/cp-usa
************************************************************
EVIDENCE #2
[Communist Party organ declares first President of Soviet Union was a
Jew! The first Chairman appointed to the Soviet State was a Jew, a
Jew with an alias of Trotsky. Tavish]
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
Jews....
The March Revolution of 1917 caught him by surprise in New York City,
where he wrote for a Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May,
quickly assumed leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic
Interdistrict Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was
renamed) Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as
the most eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being
courted by Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its
Central Committee.
As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
revolution......
[How many of you think that Jew Trotsky's revolution was bloodless and
was a debate of ideas? Notice the first Chairman of the Soviet was a
Jew named Trotsky. Trotsky was also the first General and commander of
the Red "Bolshevik" Army! Tavish]
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
states:
"Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924."
Let's see ol' Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
Architect of the Red Army too!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EVIDENCE #3
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
Society:
Where Judaism and Liberalism Part
by Rabbi Nachum Braverman
Aish HaTorah Los Angeles
It’s often considered axiomatic that Jews are politically liberal.
This impression has some basis in fact. In 1991, the National Jewish
Community Relations Council (NJCRC) identified the public agenda of
the Jewish community as activism on behalf of Israel, and Soviet and
Ethiopian Jewry, as well as "social and economic justice." ...
[ ... ]
Though many Jews are liberal this no more makes liberalism the Jewish
agenda than the prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism
the Jewish agenda.
[Notice the Rabbi used the word "prominenence." Tavish]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EVIDENCE #4
http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
[...]
The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against
traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and
assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau
of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters.....
A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel
their energy into creating a home land of their own.
Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution
of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used
civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.
[Notice the "Russian Revolution... will be led by a disproportionate
number of Jews..." Tavish]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MORE EVIDENCE:
Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
Russian Bolshevik party.
In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
824-827).
"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a conspicuous
part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the
Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew.
Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however,
are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
movement was well understood in Russia. "The White Armies which
opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks
as common enemies" (Univ. Jewish Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I certify that as of this date (June 19, 1998) all of the links above
are active and that anyone checking them will find the material I
used.
CASE CLOSED
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> That's what is called winning an argument by assertion.
>
>Liar should know, since he's made liberal use of the tactic ever since he
>arrived on Usenet.
I've made no assertion- I posted factual evidence- care to denigrate
me and call me a liar too? Jeffrey, do you wish to deny in front of
all that my evidence is but mere fabrications or that I lie?
A review of what was said:
>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
Jeffrey Georg Brown said:
>The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
>standards, nothing at all has been proved.
My sources said of the Jewish presence: "..the first Soviet President
was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov." , "Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky...
the son of Russified Jews...." , "As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected
chairman of the Soviet... and devoted all his energies to marshaling
support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks" , "Lev Davidovich
Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect of the Red
Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924." ,
"...prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks..." , "Russian Revolution...
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews..." , and "Among the
Jews who remained in Russia, ... were the founders of the Russian
Bolshevik party." Care to still deny what Richard Phillips said
Jeffrey? What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass? Remember Jeffrey, I
archive and this same very post will be used in the future too!
Doc Tavish
>JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:53:07 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
> >Philllips") wrote:
> >
> >> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> >> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
>
> Jeffrey Georg Brown <jgb...@earthlink.net> seeks to divert and says:
> >The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> >leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
> >standards, nothing at all has been proved.
>
> Are you going to call these sources liars as well Georg? Here is what
> Jews themselves have written about the Bolshevist leadership and
> please do make note of the sources!
Liar Philllips recently stated:
"Secondly, your precious HOlocaust has NOT been proven. To claim
otherwise is to pretend that this NG has only this minute come into
existence, that there has not been years of back-and-forth discussion.
the fact is that every singel item you calaim as a proof has been
seriously called into question."
-- From: "Richard G. Philllips" <rgp...@earthlink.net>
-- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,
talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy,
alt.revisionism
-- Subject: Re: Gas-Chamber Holocaust?&
-- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:21:06 -0400
-- Message-ID: <358485...@earthlink.net>
Liar Philllips maintains that if a statement is 'seriously called into
question', it is automatically unproved. Therefore, since his assertion
that the "overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the
Bolshevist leadership seems pretty well established" has been 'seriously
called into question', it remains unproved.
> [...deletia...]
> >> That's what is called winning an argument by assertion.
> >
> >Liar should know, since he's made liberal use of the tactic ever since he
> >arrived on Usenet.
>
> I've made no assertion...
That's a lie.
> ... - I posted factual evidence- care to denigrate
> me and call me a liar too?
Yup. See below.
> Jeffrey, do you wish to deny in front of
> all that my evidence is but mere fabrications or that I lie?
You lie, Scottie. You lie about who you are. You lie about what your
'evidence' proves. You lie about what other people say. You lie about the
provenance of the photographs you've posted. You've even lied about having
died.
Next question?
> Care to still deny what Richard Phillips said Jeffrey?
I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie. Were we in the same
room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me. So much for your
'FACTS'...
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358a89de....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Spam,
spam, spam, spam, spam, lies, and spam" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> [...deletia...]
That's the same crap you sent 7 minutes ago, O Gutless One. Do try to stop
stuttering... it's the kind of defect that'll get your Mighty Whitey Power
Ranger decoder ring taken away from you.
JGB
=====================================================================
ORAC
In article <jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.253>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>Liar Philllips recently stated:
>
> "Secondly, your precious HOlocaust has NOT been proven. To claim
> otherwise is to pretend that this NG has only this minute come into
> existence, that there has not been years of back-and-forth discussion.
> the fact is that every singel item you calaim as a proof has been
> seriously called into question."
>
> -- From: "Richard G. Philllips" <rgp...@earthlink.net>
> -- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,
> alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,
> talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy,
> alt.revisionism
> -- Subject: Re: Gas-Chamber Holocaust?&
> -- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:21:06 -0400
> -- Message-ID: <358485...@earthlink.net>
>
>Liar Philllips maintains that if a statement is 'seriously called into
>question', it is automatically unproved. Therefore, since his assertion
>that the "overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the
>Bolshevist leadership seems pretty well established" has been 'seriously
>called into question', it remains unproved.
ROTFL!
Let's see, what else can we "seriously call into question" and therefore
cause to become "unproved"?
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Gord McFee
In <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net>, on Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:41:01 GMT,
i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
You are incredibly stupid.
> After all, it was none other that Chief Rabbi of the US, Steven Wise,
> who years alter uttered the unforgettable statement: "Some call it
> communism. I call it Judaism."
That quote is a fake, just like you.
> Case closed.
Like hell.
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Doc Tavish
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
>In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
>I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
>merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
>Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
No this is what you denied and completely excised from the post. Can't
face the truth can you Georg? Lurkers, what Georg dodges:
EVIDENCE #1
EVIDENCE #2
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EVIDENCE #3
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EVIDENCE #4
http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
[...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MORE EVIDENCE:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My sources said of the Jewish presence: "..the first Soviet President
was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov." , "Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky...
the son of Russified Jews...." , "As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected
chairman of the Soviet... and devoted all his energies to marshaling
support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks" , "Lev Davidovich
Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect of the Red
Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924." ,
"...prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks..." , "Russian Revolution...
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews..." , and "Among the
Jews who remained in Russia, ... were the founders of the Russian
Bolshevik party."
I certify that as of this date (June 19, 1998) all of the links above
are active and that anyone checking them will find the material I
used.
Please note also in the previous post that this was said:
>In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
>Philllips") wrote:
>
>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
Jeffrey Georg Brown <jgb...@earthlink.net> seeks to divert and says:
>The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
>standards, nothing at all has been proved.
(The above is the reason I posted the "Leaders of the Bolshevists
material. Tavish)
====================================================
Now back to the present:
>> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>So much for your >'FACTS'...
You deleted them all. Can't counter the facts so you dodge and delete.
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
>*** Note: Emailed replies will be considered public domain. ***
...............................................................................................................
"Eye for eye, wound for wound, and blow for blow..(Ex 21:24,25)" Jews
haven't received one thing they haven't already dealt out to others.
<jgb...@earthlink.net>
Horst Bauer
>In article <358a89de....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Spam,
>spam, spam, spam, spam, lies, and spam" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>That's the same crap you sent 7 minutes ago, O Gutless One. Do try to stop
>stuttering... it's the kind of defect that'll get your Mighty Whitey Power
>Ranger decoder ring taken away from you.
Why do you deny facts that are clearly set out in front of you? Jews
were the spreaders and propagators of communism. Weren't the proofs
presented good enough? It is a crime now in Germany to link Jews and
communism but it is acceptable to link Germans with Nazis and harass
the offspring of those that were Nazis. This world is filled with much
injustice. When will people realize that a nation has a right to repel
communism and communists? I do not approve of inflicting discomfort on
innocent civilians. I do approve that a nation has a perfect right to
demand the emigration of those that are proven to be threats to
internal security.
H.B.
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when lies
fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
>
> >I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
> >merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
> >Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
>
> No this is what you denied and completely excised from the post.
Cite the post in which I specifically deny your spam, O Gutless One.
> [...deletia...]
> Now back to the present:
> >> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> >> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>
> >You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
>
> How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
> same exact thing?
Ah... so we're back to 'but-Mommy-everybody-else-is-doing-it'...
Surely come up wothna more original excuse than that, O Gutless One.
> [...deletia...]
> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
renowned 'truth teller'.
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358ad68c....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, hor...@hotmailed.com wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:38:11 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article <358a89de....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Spam,
> >spam, spam, spam, spam, lies, and spam" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> >phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> >
> >> [...deletia...]
> >
> >That's the same crap you sent 7 minutes ago, O Gutless One. Do try to stop
> >stuttering... it's the kind of defect that'll get your Mighty Whitey Power
> >Ranger decoder ring taken away from you.
>
> Why do you deny facts that are clearly set out in front of you?
There has been no denial. There has been a statement that Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie repeated a post. Which part of that didn't you understand,
"Horst"?
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <6mf1dt$8...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, bill...@anonymity.com
("Billy Bob Throckmorton") wrote:
> In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>,
> doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
> [...deletia...]
> >I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> >your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
"Billy Bob", I just wanted to thank you for seeing to it that Poor Ol'
Gutless Scottie's threat got archived once again.
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358b0f5a....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "stupid
enough to repeat a threat" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:10:33 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
>
> >In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when lies
> >fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> >phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> You lie and distort Georg!
Really? Let's all watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie confirm once again that
he posted a threat against my person:
> [...deletia...]
> From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
> Newsgroups:
>
alt.revisionism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
> Subject: Re: Leadership of the Bolshevists - The Facts (was Georg
> Brown's typical slander> Liar Philllips ignores his own 'logic')
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:05:32 GMT
> Organization: McTavish Informational Services Worldwide
> Lines: 221
> Message-ID: <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>
>
> [...]
>
> >> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> >> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>
> >You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
>
> How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
> same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
> even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
> I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
>
> >Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
>
> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
Thanks for repeating the threat, Scottie.
> [...deletia...]
> Jeffrey Georg Brown is so damned much of a basket case that he had to
> desperately engineer a "death threat" made in public when it is so
> damned obvious my original remarks are still alive in the thread and
> will be at DejaNews by tomorrow.
Yup. So that whenever Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie makes a threat followed by
his usual "No personal threat" disclaimer, we can direct his precious
lurkers to examine his other face. Ain't technology great?
> How do you explain this definite failure at humanity on your part Georg?
What failure would that be, O Gutless One? How, exactly, did I 'engineer'
this threat? (Oh, and by the way: thanks for confirming that it _is_ a
"death threat". That was your term for it, wasn't it?)
I quoted you as saying:
> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
... and you have, in fact, admitted that you did say this. So what,
precisely, has been 'engineered'?
Looks to me like you failed to consider the ramifications of a public
threat against another person, Gutless Wonder.
Billy Bob Throckmorton
Keep up the good work Tavish and may God bless you for all the abuse and
insults you suffer to get the truth out.
Billy Bob
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.116>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>
>In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when
>lies fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
>> Brown) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>> >doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
<<SNIPPING>>
>Ah... so we're back to 'but-Mommy-everybody-else-is-doing-it'...
>
>Surely come up wothna more original excuse than that, O Gutless One.
>> [...deletia...]
>> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
>> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
>renowned 'truth teller'.
You are quoting Mr. Tavish out of context you sinister bastard. This is
what was said:
>> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
Mr. Brown you did say:
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack
>me.
I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>So much for your >'FACTS'...
You deleted them all. Can't counter the facts so you dodge and delete.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From what I see Tavish posted the emoticon :-) which showed he wasn't
being serious and I also noticed that you left out your challenge too!
You are truly a pitiful example of humanity when you have to constantly
resort to all of your chickenshit schemes in order to discredit those
you so despise.
Billy Bob
Doc Tavish
>In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when lies
>fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
You lie and distort Georg!
Examine the headers of Jeffrey's post to which I am replying and you
will see:
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Liar Philllips ignores his own 'logic'
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:10:33 -0400
Organization: none
Lines: 48
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.116>
References: <3582e0b6...@news.usaor.net>
<mvanalst-130...@c678496-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>
<3583BD...@earthlink.net> <m24sxlh...@daffer.net>
<35873C...@earthlink.net>
<jeff_brown-18...@38.27.217.223>
<358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
<jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.253>
<358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>
The last Reference was my post which he is currently distorting. These
three posts are too new at this time to be archived at DejaNews but
keep track that my original pre out of context Jeffrey Georg Brown
were poosted under:
<358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
>> Brown) wrote:
>> >I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
>> >merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
>> >Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
>> No this is what you denied and completely excised from the post.
>
>Cite the post in which I specifically deny your spam, O Gutless One.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>> Now back to the present:
>> >> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> >> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
I was speaking figurativley, naturally.
>> >You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
>> How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
>> same exact thing?
>Ah... so we're back to 'but-Mommy-everybody-else-is-doing-it'...
>
>Surely come up wothna more original excuse than that, O Gutless One.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
>> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>
>Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
>renowned 'truth teller'.
>
>JGB
Now for what I actually said and remember the Reference number at the
top:
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Leadership of the Bolshevists - The Facts (was Georg
Brown's typical slander> Liar Philllips ignores his own 'logic')
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:05:32 GMT
Organization: McTavish Informational Services Worldwide
Lines: 221
Message-ID: <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>
[...]
>> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>So much for your >'FACTS'...
You deleted them all. Can't counter the facts so you dodge and delete.
>
>JGB
Jeffrey Georg Brown is so damned much of a basket case that he had to
desperately engineer a "death threat" made in public when it is so
damned obvious my original remarks are still alive in the thread and
will be at DejaNews by tomorrow. How do you explain this definite
failure at humanity on your part Georg?
Doc Tavish
----
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http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
Recently expanded and improved! Enjoy!
Gord McFee
In <3588864b...@news.usaor.net>, on Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:59 GMT,
i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> On 17 Jun 1998 19:44:00 -0700, daf...@daffer.net (William Daffer)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In article <3587f30c...@news.usaor.net> i...@usaor.net (Ian
> >P. McKinney) writes:
>
> >> The simple fact that Marx's philosophical rubbish attracted so many
> >> Jews is proof enough of the Jewishness in it.
> >>
> >
> > By that argument, Marx was Chinese.
>
> The point is that he wasn't a White gentile, Aryan, or whatever you
> want to describe a non-Jewish, White European. The fact is that he was
> a Jew by White nationalist standards - the only ones I care about.
Big surprise. By "White nationalist standards", I doubt that you are
Aryan. Unless spinelessness and gutlessness are the trademarks of
Ary*n-heads, in which case you definitely are one.
Gord McFee
In <35896145...@news.usaor.net>, on Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:46:22 GMT,
i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:23:44 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ian P. McKinney spews:
> >
> > While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
> > will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them
> > deny the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in
> > diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
> > in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik
> > take-over of Russia.
> >
> >That is simple! The ambassador to Russia was obviously anti-Semitic
> >himself, and he swallowed every anti-Semitic lie told to him by the
> >White Russian opposition.
>
> Hahaha! Oh, I see, he was "obviously" anti-Semitic because he didn't
> disregard all the reports that Jews were dominating the Bolshevik
> movement. That's what you're saying. What a load of crap!
You are the load of crap, little boy. You rant on and on and never
offer a shred of proof for your ravings. You enhance that by hiding
behind a fake name, as most of you scum do. Let's not forget who your
hero is.
<begin quote>
The ones we ought to save our anger for, the ones we ought
to take our vengeance on first are the traitors among our
own people who collaborated with the media bosses in
promoting Ginsberg. I would sooner shoot the president
of Stanford University for going along with the idea of
a Ginsberg Center, or shoot Tom Brokaw for collaborating in
the postmortem elevation of Ginsberg to sainthood, than I
would shoot Ginsberg himself. Every newspaper writer who
praised Ginsberg's trash, every newspaper editor who
allowed the praise to be published in his paper, every
university librarian who eagerly recommended Ginsberg's
filth as "poetry," every literary reviewer who treated
Ginsberg seriously, every one of them should be rounded
up and shot.
--Dr. William Pierce, National Alliance Chairman,
"Allen Ginsberg: Media Model for America's Youth"
<end quote>
Gord McFee
In <358A0FA7...@mci.com>, on Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:16:18 GMT, Harry
Katz <Harry...@mci.com> wrote:
He won't until he gets some other anonymous piece of dreck to write an
"article" saying what he has already said, which he will then say
supports him. And then he will whine that anyone who doesn't agree with
him is a Jew-lover. He's trash, Mr. Katz.
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <6mf1a6$8...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, bill...@anonymity.com
(Billy Bob Throckmorton) wrote:
> In article <jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.116>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
> >
> >In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when
> >lies fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> >phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
> >> Brown) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >> >doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> >> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> >> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>
> >Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
> >renowned 'truth teller'.
>
> You are quoting Mr. Tavish out of context you sinister bastard.
I'm quoting the exact threat Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie Bradbury made to me,
you fellow gutless wonder.
> [...deletia...]
> From what I see Tavish posted the emoticon :-) which showed he wasn't
> being serious and I also noticed that you left out your challenge too!
From what I see, Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie threatened to "beat [me] to a
bloody pulp". Care to deny that, "Billy Bob"?
As for the emoticon: a threat is a threat. I'm not interested in the
expression on a man's face when he threatens me.
> You are truly a pitiful example of humanity when you have to constantly
> resort to all of your chickenshit schemes in order to discredit those
> you so despise.
Which "chickenshit scheme" forced Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie to post the
threat, "Billy Bob"?
Doc Tavish
>In article <6mf1a6$8...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, bill...@anonymity.com
>(Billy Bob Throckmorton) wrote:
>
>> In article <jeff_brown-19...@38.27.217.116>,
>> jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>> >
>> >In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when
>> >lies fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>> >phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
>> >> Brown) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>> >> >doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> >> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
>> >> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>>
>> >Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
>> >renowned 'truth teller'.
Georg why did you rob the mesage of its setting and context? What was
said on BOTH sides was as documented at DejaNews:
>> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>So much for your >'FACTS'...
You deleted them all. Can't counter the facts so you dodge and delete.
~~~~~ END ~~~~~
>> You are quoting Mr. Tavish out of context you sinister bastard.
Yes, he is a sinister bastard at that.
>I'm quoting the exact threat Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie Bradbury made to me,
>you fellow gutless wonder.
You are not quoting in context because you left out what I was
replying to. It is on public record too!
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> From what I see Tavish posted the emoticon :-) which showed he wasn't
>> being serious and I also noticed that you left out your challenge too!
>From what I see, Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie threatened to "beat [me] to a
>bloody pulp". Care to deny that, "Billy Bob"?
Did I say that I was coming to get you? Did I say I was going to seek
you out? NO.
I answered your (that you happened to leave out): "Were we in the same
room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me."
>As for the emoticon: a threat is a threat. I'm not interested in the
>expression on a man's face when he threatens me.
That is because you only seek to discredit me and that is all. If you
thought I was dangerous you wouldn't be referring to me a s Poor Ol'
Gutless all the time and making a stupid challenge as when you said:
"Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically
attack me."
>> You are truly a pitiful example of humanity when you have to constantly
>> resort to all of your chickenshit schemes in order to discredit those
>> you so despise.
>
>Which "chickenshit scheme" forced Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie to post the
>threat, "Billy Bob"?
Quoting out of context the situation and what was said in full and
deleting the smiley face emoticon from your the sky is falling chicken
little response.
..............................................................
I'll tell you what Jeffrey G. Brown; if I were you I'd report this
incidence at once to the FBI BUT make damn sure that you supply the
whole post in which I said such because you have quite a record of
quoting out of context. Furthermore you need to ask your Mr. Trevor
Hawthorn about a certain law enforcement agent that contacted
Earthlink Net after I turned your cooperation over to them for allying
your self with a person that did make a real death threat. Remember
you blabbing your blab after Levenstein said he'd like to put a bullet
in my skull.
BTW Jeffrey, your response was that Levenstein couldn't threaten a
non-person because I didn't use my real name! If that is the case then
how can a non-person threaten you? You are a god damned hypocrite too!
Here is Jeffrey running off at the mouth, just click the link to see:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=308767572
Subject: Poor ol' gutless Scottie pretends to be a person
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date: 1997/12/19
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.zippo.com>
In article <349b390c....@news.smart1.net>, Scott "I'm not Scott
Bradbury!" Bradbury (phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> Adam Levenstein <aml...@email.psu.edu> wrote in article
> <34993F1A...@email.psu.edu>...
> [...deletia...]
> > I look forward to the day when I can put a
> > bullet in your skull.
>
> I, John Winslow Brown, replied:
> THAT LOOKS LIKE A PERSONAL THREAT AGAINST ME
> BOLSHEVIK AND THAT IS ACTIONABLE!
Not likely. A "personal threat" has to be made against a person. "John
Winslow Brown" is simply another of Scott Bradbury's endless supply of
non-existent personas, devised for the sole purpose of allowing poor
ol' gutless Scottie to evade the responsibility that real people
assume when they speak in public. It's a manifestation of poor ol'
gutless Scottie's cowardice, nothing more.
~~~~~ END ~~~~~
BTW lurkers: the post above is on file with the FBI and Earthlink Net
as well as this post:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=308531507
Subject: Re: Commies Panic Like Rats When The Light of Truth is
Shined on Them! (was Re: SEP web site??)
From: Adam Levenstein <aml...@email.psu.edu>
Date: 1997/12/18
Message-ID: <34993F1A...@email.psu.edu>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <APC&1'0'78a2458a'9...@igc.apc.org>
<34983E7D...@email.psu.edu>
<34993f57....@news.flash.net>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Lurkers pay very close attention to the last message ID from Flash
Net because that is the post Levenstein is replying to! 6/20/98
Tavish]
Oh dear.
Watch me shiver with fear.
Another Nazi shitbag is "exposing" the truth about
me being a communist.
Of course, the real amusing thing is the Nazi's
criticism of Trotsky because Trotsky allegedly
killed a lot of people.
Go read Mein Kampf and do your little heils,
dickhead. I look forward to the day when I can put a
bullet in your skull.
------------------------------------------------
Adam Levenstein Young Socialists
http://pages.prodigy.com/AHSG60C/
"The ends justify the means only if the ends are
justified."
-- Leon Trotsky
------------------------------------------------
~~~~ End of DejaNews Archival Posting #1 ~~~~
Here is exactly what I posted and for what the commie bastard made a
death and for what Jeffrey G. Brown put in his two cents as an ally to
a commie assassin wannabe. Remember law enforcement has all of these
archives as well as Earthlink Net.
Remember this message ID: <34993f57....@news.flash.net>
http://x11.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=299340915
Subject: Commies Panic Like Rats When The Light of Truth is
Shined on Them! (was Re: SEP web site??)
From: bro...@deleteme.hotmail.com (John Winslow Brown)
Date: 1997/12/18
Message-ID: <34993f57....@news.flash.net>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:05:01 -0500, Adam Levenstein
<aml...@email.psu.edu> wrote:
>David Walters wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know what happended to the Socialist Equality Party web
>> site? They've dissapeared for almost a month now.
>>
>> d.
>
>They've been at www.socialequality.com
You're really quite astute with socialism and the mass murderer
Trotsky aren't you? You'd like to round up all of my kind and have us
sent to gulags in Siberia BUT we will instead be holding trials under
a legal government and will execute those that have been treasonous.
For the lurker: read the articles in alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
and you will find this despicable little mole spreading his unAmerican
ideas!
More on Jew Adam Levenstein's hero Trotsky:
Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
with enormous intellectual capabilities.
Trotsky's political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
At the party's Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
Results and Prospects.
Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
Committee.
As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
revolution......
Above found at:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
Let's review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
up and kill Jews."
I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
<Re-read the above about Trotsky, Soviets and what Dawidowicz's book
said!>
Look at where Trotsky was- Jew York City and compare where Adam plots
his "revolution" from- Jew York City! You all need to go to
Levenstein's web site so you can see such jewels as:
YS Principles:
1. The Young Socialists (YS) recognizes the need to overthrow
capitalism and fight for socialism. Since this is an international
struggle, we build our organization internationally.
4. The YS looks to the working-class and the program and the communist
continuity of the Socialist Workers Party as the proletarian party
that can lead it to take state power, overthrow capitalism and join
the international struggle for socialism.
5. The YS defends Cuba's socialist revolution and sees it as a living
example of the way forward for all of humanity, as the Bolshevik-led
October 1917 Russian revolution was earlier this century. Our goal is
to emulate the Cuban Revolution in the U.S. and internationally.
Yes Adam just as the bastard Trotsky used Jew York City to plan his
little Bolshevik Revolution you hide in the same sewer plotting to do
to Americans what one of your commie idols did in Cuba! You should
swing nicely from the end of a rope! All legal of course under a newly
reformed government that does adhere to our fore fathers dreams. Our
fore fathers weren't Marx/Engels/Trotsky and the rest of the vermin
that you claim comradeship with!
Click on Levenstein's link below to see what he envisions as an
America for you!
Look below for examples of how heckling is used by Communists and
their sympathizers! Reminds you of other Jews and Nizkor doesn't it?
(And Jeffrey G. Brown also! 6/20/98 Tavish)
Sir John Winslow Brown
>------------------------------------------------
>Adam Levenstein Young Socialists
http://pages.prodigy.com/AHSG60C/
>
>"The ends justify the means only if the ends are
>justified."
> -- Leon Trotsky
>------------------------------------------------
Adam's sympathizer Patrick L. Humphreys of Houston and notice he only
name calls and worries about who I am!
In article <01bd0b83$ae87d240$29401ed1@msn-net> "John Winslow Brown"
<bro...@DELETEME.hotmail.com> writes:
>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote in article
><szkafe1...@bermuda.io.com>...
>> In article <01bd09c1$d6f59a00$29401ed1@msn-net> "John Winslow Brown"
><bro...@DELETEME.hotmail.com> writes:
>> >Adam Levenstein <aml...@email.psu.edu> wrote in article
>> ><3494215B...@email.psu.edu>...
>> >> This pretty much sums up how YOU are, what you stand
>> >> for.
>> >You'd like to get Fred Phelps in a dungeon somewhere and slowly and most
>> >methodically work him over wouldn't you? You Bolsheviks killed millions of
>> >Christians and their ministers in their little revolution that you are
>> >proud of! From Levenstein's web page under YS Principles we see:
>> Psst. "John". The Bol'sheviki are out of business, remember? Last time I
>> looked, the USSR closed up shop six years ago.
>That is what you want people to believe but if you go to your butt buddy's
>page (Adam Levenstein, whom you cavort with in alt.politics.homosexuality)
>then click on his Cuban Revolutionary link you will get this:
Psst. "John". I don't know Adam from, well, Adam. I'm not gay,
either -- I'm one of those people who was born heterosexual, and I
make no apologies for it. Neither am I a Communist, no matter what
befuddled hallucinations pop into that four-bit chip that passes for
your mind.
[about 30 lines of "John Brown", a-raving from the grave, stuffed back
in the box]
>The above can be linked to from Adam Levenstein's web page in the Links
>section!
I just don't know how I slept at night without knowing that.
>You care to make your ignorant and foolish assumption again? You did
>heckle:
>>Psst. "John". The Bol'sheviki are out of business, remember? Last time I
>>looked, the USSR closed up shop six years ago.
>I don't believe your butt buddy thinks communism is dead with all the
>interest and time that he invests in it! I guess if communism were dead
>then Adam would be beating a dead horse!
Looks like it is, and he is - but that's his problem, not yours or
mine.
>Click:
>Adam Levenstein Young Socialists
>http://pages.prodigy.com/AHSG60C/
>Then "Related Links" on main page and when in links , look for:
>Castro, Che, and Revolutionary Cuba - an informative page in support of the
>Cuban Revolution.
>and click on it to get what I posted above!
Sorry, but I have a thing called a life...you know, with
responsibilities and all? The wife, the daughter, and the
grandchildren get my attention, not some idiot that I unfortunately
have to share the city of Houston with.
>I do not think communsim is dead! I've noticed that one of their methods is
>to heckle and jeer those that shine a light on it!
Yawn. That and a dollar will get you run over in the HOV lane on I-69
(that's the Southwest Freeway, assuming you have any idea of where
_you_ are).
>Here is some more of what Humphrey's denies exists from the same Levenstein
>web site:
[more of "John Brown"'s dreck, deleted]
>[I guess the Young Socialists haven't realized that Bolshevism et all is
>dead! J.W.B.]
I guess you're too stupid to figure out that maybe you should take it
up with _them_, eh?
[even more of "John"'s dreck, given a game misconduct and escorted
from The Summit]
>[Hey Patrick, you had better tell Adam that communism is dead! J.W.B.]
Let him figure it out. Besides, he's doing a good job of pissing off
half-wits like you -- he can't be all bad.
>A little more? Okay! Here it is:
A little less would be preferable from you. Actually, a lot less
would be better still...
>> ["John Brown"'s brain is a-moulderin' on the Net...]
>Yeah, you really put me in my place Patrick! I'm shaking in my Jack
>Boots[TM].
Oh, well, at least you'll be easy to spot at an Aeros game at The
Summit -- you'll be the idiot rolling down the aisle in the lower
prom...
>> >I think the FBI would be interested in your activities Adam. They frown
>> >rather dimly on those that promote Revolution on the order that you do!
>>They'd probably get as much of a laugh out of your paranoia as they would out
>>of his posturing..neither one of you are particularly connected with reality,
>>from what I can see.
>Your reality is different from mine. You and others like you heckle and
>giggle and say that communism is dead but you ally yourselves with those
>that push it! What is this called other than lies, deceit, and subterfuge?
>Propaganda! I will live to see you all consigned to the ash heap of history
>once and for all!
...at least, until Daddy needs his computer back. Don't you have
school tomorrow?
>> > Sir John Winslow Brown
>>"Sir"? So what the hell are you doing in Houston? (Besides providing comic
>>relief for a lot of your neighbors, that is.)
>I really don't believe that your laughing days will be that much longer! I
>make no personal threat either.
Yawn. You obviously have never dealt with any of us old ridge-runners
from Bloody Harlan, son. Thanks for providing us with yet another
laugh.
>> [the rest of "John"'s raving, sent to the penalty box for the rest of the
>> game]
>I restored everything that you were too g-d damned much of a coward to
>answer so everybody can see how communists operate. Let them compare what
>you post to what I post! This is what your side really fears!
You wouldn't know what side I was on if your insignificant little life
depended on it, "John". You haven't been right about me once, yet.
>>--PLH, hoping that this "Brown" loon lives nowhere near Sharpstown..neighbors
>>like him, I don't need.
>All you did is call me names and in not one instance did you factually
>prove me wrong. Another communist leftist trick! I have used your own words
>against you as well as what your companion says at his web site! Perhaps in
>the future you will be giggling all the way to the end- when the rope
>snaps! Treason is punishable by hanging I do believe!
You don't decide that, little HitlerJugend-wannabe. What's the
penalty for boring people to tears, I wonder? Whatever it is, you're
certainly in the running to receive it.
>Need I say more? Sir John Winslow Brown
You need to say much less.
>Remember Patrick what was said above: " I came back with the feeling that
>the relentless 33-year US embargo against Cuba is proof that communism is
>not dead. Why would the US spend so much energy trying to kill a corpse?"
>---Doug Barnes---
>It looks as if many more Americans believe that your communism is not dead
>too!
It looks as if there's at least one more certifiable idiot out there
in Houston somewhere who thinks that anyone gives a rat's ass what he
thinks -- I'm referring to the anonymous little coward who doesn't
even have the balls to put his own name on the hatred he spews, and
hides behind "John Winslow Brown". Oh, well. I've survived enough of
your kind over the last 32 years here in town, and I'll be around
after Darwin has picked you up.
--PLH, which, from the looks of things, can't be too long
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Need I say anymore? I wonder if Patrick gets on his knees for Trotsky
as well as Levenstein.
Sir John Winslow Brown
~~~~~ End of DejaNews Archival Post #2~~~~~
Read Levenstein's agenda above, go to his web page and you will see
who Jeffrey G. Brown sold me out to! I'll never forget nor will I ever
forgive you Jeffrey G. Brown. You are a scoundrel and a traitor in my
book. 6/20/98 Tavish
I didn't like you before that but since you did that I have despised
you. I will never forget what you did and I swear your cooperative
post and your commie Levenstein's are on file. . Don't your remember
Mr. Hawthorn getting on to you for stalking? Remember me telling you
that law enforcement has files on you? I'm not bluffing- turn me in
BUT you will lose because this is an obvious frame up.
You also need to contact:
Lisa Hoyt
Information Security Administrator
EarthLink Network, Inc.
sec...@earthlink.net
She will verify that law enforcement did contact Earthlink Net about
your mutual cooperation in a death threat.
What I said in the proper setting and context is forever archived at
DejaNews!
DejaNerws archive: http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364287475
Path: excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: Re: Leadership of the Bolshevists - The Facts (was Georg
Brown's typical slander> Liar Philllips ignores his own 'logic')
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:05:32 GMT
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>In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
>Philllips") wrote:
>
>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
Jeffrey Georg Brown <jgb...@earthlink.net> seeks to divert and says:
>The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
>leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
>standards, nothing at all has been proved.
(The above is the reason I posted the "Leaders of the Bolshevists
material. Tavish)
====================================================
Now back to the present:
>> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
>> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
(BTW Jeffrey had I really just kicked your ass in reality? Did I leave
you a bloody pulp? 6/20/98 Tavish comment)
>You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>So much for your >'FACTS'...
You deleted them all. Can't counter the facts so you dodge and delete.
(The above is the actual situation and circumstance. 6/20/98 Tavish)
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
>*** Note: Emailed replies will be considered public domain. ***
Who is really the gutless coward?
steve mock
Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> I don't know if I'd shoot people who promoted this homosexual piece of
> filth, but something would have been done to them. I'd settle for
> putting them in a place where they could never get a chance to promote
> another Ginsberg.
Archived for future reference, lest Mr. McKinney chooses ever again to
whine about how Nazis are denied free speech.
Steve Mock
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <358c3853....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "beat you
to a bloody pulp" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net)
wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:50:26 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
> [...deletia...]
[Scott Bradbury wrote (as he's admitted several time):]
> >> >> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> >> >> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
> >>
> >> >Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
> >> >renowned 'truth teller'.
>
> Georg why did you rob the mesage of its setting and context?
Because it didn't matter. The threat remains a threat, no matter what spam
surrounds it.
> [...deletia...]
> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
Thanks for reposting the threat, Scottie. There'll be no lack of
references to it in the DejaNews archives now.
> [...deletia...]
> >I'm quoting the exact threat Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie Bradbury made to me,
> >you fellow gutless wonder.
>
> You are not quoting in context because you left out what I was
> replying to. It is on public record too!
Yes, it is. Thanks for the admission.
> [...deletia...]
> >From what I see, Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie threatened to "beat [me] to a
> >bloody pulp". Care to deny that, "Billy Bob"?
>
> Did I say that I was coming to get you? Did I say I was going to seek
> you out? NO.
Did you say that you would "beat [me] to a bloody pulp"? YES. It doesn't
matter _when_ or _if_ you actually carry out that threat. It remains a
threat.
> I answered your (that you happened to leave out): "Were we in the same
> room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me."
Yes, you did. You answered by threatening to "beat [me] to a bloody pulp".
> >As for the emoticon: a threat is a threat. I'm not interested in the
> >expression on a man's face when he threatens me.
>
> That is because you only seek to discredit me and that is all.
No, you discredit yourself by posting threats, using forged posts in your
slander campaigns, posting pornography and claiming that it's proof of
'Israeli atrocities', using dozens of phony IDs, endlessly harping on the
imagined sexual deviance of anyone who dares to disagree with you, and so
forth. I just point out that you've discredited yurself. It's really a
very easy job.
> If you
> thought I was dangerous you wouldn't be referring to me a s Poor Ol'
> Gutless all the time...
But you _are_ Gutless, O Gutless One. You haven't once found the courage
to sign your own name to your posts.
> ...and making a stupid challenge as when you said:
> "Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically
> attack me."
That was a simple statement of fact -- as is the observation that you
threatened to "beat [me] to a bloody pulp". The threat remains a threat,
regardless of your ability to carry it out.
> >> You are truly a pitiful example of humanity when you have to constantly
> >> resort to all of your chickenshit schemes in order to discredit those
> >> you so despise.
> >
> >Which "chickenshit scheme" forced Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie to post the
> >threat, "Billy Bob"?
>
> Quoting out of context the situation and what was said in full and
> deleting the smiley face emoticon from your the sky is falling chicken
> little response.
In other words, nobody made you post the threat, You did it all by yourself.
> I'll tell you what Jeffrey G. Brown; if I were you I'd report this
> incidence at once to the FBI BUT make damn sure that you supply the
> whole post in which I said such because you have quite a record of
> quoting out of context.
The FBI doesn't care about you _or_ me, Gutless One. This isn't a federal
case, no matter how much you'd like to puff yourself by pretending it is.
The simple fact remains: you made a threat against my person. You stated
that you would "beat [me] to a bloody pulp". It's on record, and you've
even been kind enough to repost it several times.
> [...deletia...]
> I'll never forget nor will I ever forgive you Jeffrey G. Brown.
I'm crushed. Does this mean I won't be getting a Christmas card?
On the day I need the 'forgiveness' of a slandering puke like Scott
Bradbury, they'll be doing a brisk business in ice skates in Hell.
> You are a scoundrel and a traitor in my book.
'Traitor'? I don't recall swearing allegiance to you, Gutless One.
> I didn't like you before that but since you did that I have despised
> you.
That would explain why you want to "beat [me] to a bloody pulp". Thanks
for supplying the motive.
> I will never forget what you did and I swear your cooperative
> post and your commie Levenstein's are on file. Don't your remember
> Mr. Hawthorn getting on to you for stalking?
Nope. I remember being asked not to email you again -- which request I
have complied with. But Mr. Hawthorn said exactly zip about 'stalking'. He
never mentioned Levenstein, either.
> Remember me telling you that law enforcement has files on you?
Yup. I don't get worked up by wild claims made by known liars.
> I'm not bluffing- turn me in
> BUT you will lose because this is an obvious frame up.
Really? _After_ you admit posting the threat, you still claim it's "an
obvious frame up"? Turn down the Reality Distortion Field[TM], Scottie.
> [...deletia...]
> What I said in the proper setting and context is forever archived at
> DejaNews!
Yup. You even posted it again:
> [...deletia...]
> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
Thanks!
> [...deletia...]
> Who is really the gutless coward?
The man who posts a threat and then starts claiming he never threatened.
Oh, and he's a liar, too.
Chuck Ferree
From Chuck Ferree:
Ian P. McKinney wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:00:32 GMT, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
deleted
>
McKinney wrote:
It so characteristic of you to be defending Alan Ginsberg, a totally
immoral homosexual degenerate.
CF:>>>>>Alan Ginsberg, was a lot of weird things. But OTOH, the man was a
genius, and he tried to stand for what he thought was the right thing to
do. He didn't hide his feelings about the illegitimate Vietnam war. He was
a trouble maker when we needed trouble makers. I'm not saying he was 100%
right, but he wasn't 100% wrong either.
Many of the right-wingers are now coming to terms with Ginsberg's valid
observations about many of the wrongs perpetrated by the US government. I
don't agree with many of his positions, but take my word, there are much
worse things happening right now, for instance people like McKinney,
huckstering hatred, and lying about historical facts.
Another thing, McKinney, homosexuality may be something you abhor, but
it's nothing new in the history of the world, and while it doesn't appeal
to me personally, it's really none of my business what you do in your
bedroom.
Chuck Ferree
Ian P. McKinney
On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:00:32 GMT, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>You are the load of crap, little boy. You rant on and on and never
>offer a shred of proof for your ravings. You enhance that by hiding
>behind a fake name, as most of you scum do. Let's not forget who your
>hero is.
>
><begin quote>
>
>The ones we ought to save our anger for, the ones we ought
>to take our vengeance on first are the traitors among our
>own people who collaborated with the media bosses in
>promoting Ginsberg.
I don't know if I'd shoot people who promoted this homosexual piece of
filth, but something would have been done to them. I'd settle for
putting them in a place where they could never get a chance to promote
another Ginsberg.
It so characteristic of you to be defending Alan Ginsberg, a totally
immoral homosexual degenerate.
Regards,
Ian McKinney
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In <358c5272...@news.usaor.net>, on Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:16:23 GMT,
i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:00:32 GMT, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>
>
> >You are the load of crap, little boy. You rant on and on and never
> >offer a shred of proof for your ravings. You enhance that by hiding
> >behind a fake name, as most of you scum do. Let's not forget who your
> >hero is.
> >
> ><begin quote>
> >
> >The ones we ought to save our anger for, the ones we ought
> >to take our vengeance on first are the traitors among our
> >own people who collaborated with the media bosses in
> >promoting Ginsberg.
>
> I don't know if I'd shoot people who promoted this homosexual piece of
> filth, but something would have been done to them. I'd settle for
> putting them in a place where they could never get a chance to promote
> another Ginsberg.
>
> It so characteristic of you to be defending Alan Ginsberg, a totally
> immoral homosexual degenerate.
Nice snip, loser. The whole quote was:
<begin quote>
The ones we ought to save our anger for, the ones we ought
to take our vengeance on first are the traitors among our
own people who collaborated with the media bosses in
promoting Ginsberg. I would sooner shoot the president
of Stanford University for going along with the idea of
a Ginsberg Center, or shoot Tom Brokaw for collaborating in
the postmortem elevation of Ginsberg to sainthood, than I
would shoot Ginsberg himself. Every newspaper writer who
praised Ginsberg's trash, every newspaper editor who
allowed the praise to be published in his paper, every
university librarian who eagerly recommended Ginsberg's
filth as "poetry," every literary reviewer who treated
Ginsberg seriously, every one of them should be rounded
up and shot.
--Dr. William Pierce, National Alliance Chairman,
"Allen Ginsberg: Media Model for America's Youth"
<end quote>
Nice to see you agreeing with people who incite others to murder.
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <jeff_brown-20...@38.27.216.43>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>
>In article <358c3853....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "beat
>you to a bloody pulp" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>phi...@phoenix.net)
>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:50:26 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey
>>G. Brown) wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>[Scott Bradbury wrote (as he's admitted several time):]
>> >> >> I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much
After you said:
>Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack
>me.
This is very important as you know or else you wouldn't always leave it
out. You wish to paint Mr. Bradbury as threatening you carte' blanche
however you did make a challenge which you wish to avoid having shown as
well. Your denigration of Mr. Bradbury wouldn't quite work if you left
in what you said that brought the remark. I'd say that you intentionally
baited Mr. Bradbury. If this was to ever go to trial and all the
evidence weighed as well as your history of stalking people then most
likely all members of the jury as well as the judge would beat you up
too for being the chicken shit bastard you are. :-) No offense Mr.
Brown.
>> >> >Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott
>> >> >Bradbury, renowned 'truth teller'.
Mr. Brown I noticed that you did not deny having a gay lover which Mr.
Bradbury also posted three times too! By your lack of denial on this
point is this an admission that you do in fact have a gay lover? It
isn't any of my business but we would like to know.
>> Who is really the gutless coward?
Mr. Brown is of course because he has to resort to such measures as
this.
Billy Bob
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <6mk25j$a...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, Scott "beat you to a
bloody pulp" Bradbury, hiding behind his "Billy Bob Throckmorton" sock
puppet, wrote:
> I'd say that you intentionally baited Mr. Bradbury.
I'd say you're trying to evade responsibility for your own actions yet
again, O Gutless One. You chose to make the threat, and now you lack the
integrity to accept responsibility.
> If this was to ever go to trial and all the
> evidence weighed as well as your history of stalking people then most
> likely all members of the jury as well as the judge would beat you up
> too for being the chicken shit bastard you are.
File the suit, coward.
Billy Bob Throckmorton
In article <jeff_brown-21...@38.27.216.44>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>
>In article <6mk25j$a...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, Scott "beat you to a
>bloody pulp" Bradbury, hiding behind his "Billy Bob Throckmorton" sock
>puppet, wrote:
>
>> I'd say that you intentionally baited Mr. Bradbury.
>I'd say you're trying to evade responsibility for your own actions yet
>again, O Gutless One. You chose to make the threat, and now you lack
>the integrity to accept responsibility.
I now also would like to add to the fact you did bait Mr. Bradbury is
the fact you are a masterbaiter. This is probably why you will never get
laid. Women like to be made to feel they are wanted and desired but
when they see you are a solo act they leave in a hurry and the hair on
your hands gives you away. (Don't you know you'll get pimples and go
blind if you don't stop bopping your baloney like a minestrone?)
>> If this was to ever go to trial and all the
>> evidence weighed as well as your history of stalking people then most
>> likely all members of the jury as well as the judge would beat you up
>> too for being the chicken shit bastard you are.
>
>File the suit, coward.
What suit are you speaking of? You are the one making threats. My e-mail
box is still running over with offers to beat you up. Mr. Tavish's is
being overwhelmed as well. Mr. Tavish had Sylvester Stallone, Chuck
Norris, and Arnold Schwartzeneggar offer to beat you up! I just got
offers from Khadafi to beat you up, from Fidel Castro to beat you up,
from Pee Wee Herman to beat you up, and even from Captain Kangaroo to
beat you up..... Mr. Brown you bring out the worst in the best of
people.
Billy Bob
Hansjoerg Walther
Hello Gord,
Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
<359683e8...@news3.ibm.net>...
> In <358c5272...@news.usaor.net>, on Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:16:23 GMT,
> i...@usaor.net (Ian P. McKinney) wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:00:32 GMT, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
One sentence in a quote from Pierce, head of the National Alliance, struck
me:
> I would sooner shoot the president
> of Stanford University for going along with the idea of
> a Ginsberg Center, [...]
But Kasper is German. Does Pierce show his anti-German face here?
Best regards,
Hansjoerg Walther.
Gord McFee
In <01bd9fd7$70374fa0$65975ccf@mycomputer>, on 25 Jun 1998 01:27:57 GMT,
"Hansjoerg Walther" <wal...@nineties.com> wrote:
I would say so. Maybe it was Pierce who forged _Mein Kampf_.
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
> Philllips") wrote:
>
> > The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> > leadership seems pretty well established to me.
>
> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
> standards, nothing at all has been proved.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > That's what is called winning an argument by assertion.
>
> Liar should know, since he's made liberal use of the tactic ever since he
> arrived on Usenet.
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:53:07 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> > Brown) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <35873C...@earthlink.net>, rgp...@earthlink.net ("Liar
> > >Philllips") wrote:
> > >
> > >> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> > >> leadership seems pretty well established to me.
> >
> > Jeffrey Georg Brown <jgb...@earthlink.net> seeks to divert and says:
> > >The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist
> > >leadership has been 'seriously called into question' -- so, by Liar's own
> > >standards, nothing at all has been proved.
> >
> > Are you going to call these sources liars as well Georg? Here is what
> > Jews themselves have written about the Bolshevist leadership and
> > please do make note of the sources!
>
> Liar Philllips recently stated:
>
> "Secondly, your precious HOlocaust has NOT been proven. To claim
> otherwise is to pretend that this NG has only this minute come into
> existence, that there has not been years of back-and-forth discussion.
> the fact is that every singel item you calaim as a proof has been
> seriously called into question."
>
> -- From: "Richard G. Philllips" <rgp...@earthlink.net>
> -- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,
> alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,
> talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy,
> alt.revisionism
> -- Subject: Re: Gas-Chamber Holocaust?&
> -- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:21:06 -0400
> -- Message-ID: <358485...@earthlink.net>
>
> Liar Philllips maintains that if a statement is 'seriously called into
> question', it is automatically unproved. Therefore, since his assertion
> that the "overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the
> Bolshevist leadership seems pretty well established" has been 'seriously
> called into question', it remains unproved.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > >> That's what is called winning an argument by assertion.
> > >
> > >Liar should know, since he's made liberal use of the tactic ever since he
> > >arrived on Usenet.
> >
> > I've made no assertion...
>
> That's a lie.
>
> > ... - I posted factual evidence- care to denigrate
> > me and call me a liar too?
>
> Yup. See below.
>
> > Jeffrey, do you wish to deny in front of
> > all that my evidence is but mere fabrications or that I lie?
>
> You lie, Scottie. You lie about who you are. You lie about what your
> 'evidence' proves. You lie about what other people say. You lie about the
> provenance of the photographs you've posted. You've even lied about having
> died.
>
> Next question?
>
> > Care to still deny what Richard Phillips said Jeffrey?
>
> I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
> merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
> Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
>
> > What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> > divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
>
> You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie. Were we in the same
> room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me. So much for your
> 'FACTS'...
>
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***JEFFREY G. (GUTLESS). BROWN'S COWARDLY LIES***
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <358a89de....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Spam,
> spam, spam, spam, spam, lies, and spam" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> That's the same crap you sent 7 minutes ago, O Gutless One. Do try to stop
> stuttering... it's the kind of defect that'll get your Mighty Whitey Power
> Ranger decoder ring taken away from you.
>
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***JEFFREY G. (GUTLESS). BROWN'S COWARDLY LIES***
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when lies
> fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:44 -0400, jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G.
> > Brown) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <358a7fed....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> > >doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com wrote:
> >
> > >I haven't denied anything that Liar Philllips said, O Gutless One. I've
> > >merely seriously called it into question -- which, according to Liar
> > >Philllips himself, renders it unproved.
> >
> > No this is what you denied and completely excised from the post.
>
> Cite the post in which I specifically deny your spam, O Gutless One.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > Now back to the present:
> > >> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> > >> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
> >
> > >You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
> >
> > How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
> > same exact thing?
>
> Ah... so we're back to 'but-Mommy-everybody-else-is-doing-it'...
>
> Surely come up wothna more original excuse than that, O Gutless One.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> > your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>
> Let us all note the explicit physical threat made by Scott Bradbury,
> renowned 'truth teller'.
>
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <6mf1dt$8...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, bill...@anonymity.com
> ("Billy Bob Throckmorton") wrote:
>
> > In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>,
> > doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > >I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> > >your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>
> "Billy Bob", I just wanted to thank you for seeing to it that Poor Ol'
> Gutless Scottie's threat got archived once again.
>
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <358b0f5a....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "stupid
> enough to repeat a threat" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:10:33 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> > Brown) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "when lies
> > >fail, start threatening" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
> > >phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> >
> > You lie and distort Georg!
>
> Really? Let's all watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie confirm once again that
> he posted a threat against my person:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
> > Newsgroups:
> >
> alt.revisionism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
> > Subject: Re: Leadership of the Bolshevists - The Facts (was Georg
> > Brown's typical slander> Liar Philllips ignores his own 'logic')
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:05:32 GMT
> > Organization: McTavish Informational Services Worldwide
> > Lines: 221
> > Message-ID: <358ac1cd....@news.tavish-central.net>
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> What sort of imbecile subject title will you make up to
> > >> divert the FACT that I just kicked you in the ass?
> >
> > >You cut'n'pasted some of your same old shit, Scottie.
> >
> > How is it that you never ever criticize your Nizkor pals for doing the
> > same exact thing? Any careful reading of Danny Keren's, Ken Lewis' or
> > even Ken McVay's posts show much cut'n'paste as well. I guess because
> > I post material that is not to your liking is why you get all miffed.
> >
> > >Were we in the same room, you would lack the guts to physically attack me.
> >
> > I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> > your gay lover wouldn't recognize you! :-)
>
> Thanks for repeating the threat, Scottie.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > Jeffrey Georg Brown is so damned much of a basket case that he had to
> > desperately engineer a "death threat" made in public when it is so
> > damned obvious my original remarks are still alive in the thread and
> > will be at DejaNews by tomorrow.
>
> Yup. So that whenever Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie makes a threat followed by
> his usual "No personal threat" disclaimer, we can direct his precious
> lurkers to examine his other face. Ain't technology great?
>
> > How do you explain this definite failure at humanity on your part Georg?
>
> What failure would that be, O Gutless One? How, exactly, did I 'engineer'
> this threat? (Oh, and by the way: thanks for confirming that it _is_ a
> "death threat". That was your term for it, wasn't it?)
>
> I quoted you as saying:
>
> > I' beat you to a bloody pulp in a New York second and so much so that
> > your gay lover wouldn't recognize you!
>
> ... and you have, in fact, admitted that you did say this. So what,
> precisely, has been 'engineered'?
>
> Looks to me like you failed to consider the ramifications of a public
> threat against another person, Gutless Wonder.
>