Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews Surely Over Reacts to What He Calls "Nothing." What Does This Tell You Junior Gumshoes Out There? DIVERSION!
Doc Tavish
Attention:
Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews,
You surely do make a real big fuss over "empty prattle" don't you? You
are now making much more fuss than you normally do. There may be many
Jeff Browns, Jeffrey Browns and so forth in the continental United
States but try to find someone that always goes by Jeffrey G. Brown. I
simply looked at my data on which locales have the highest
concentration of Jews (seeing how Jeffrey will deny credible evidence
lets me know that he is surrounded by them.) Also Jeffrey speaks like
a defense attorney. No ifs, ands or buts (in his case "butts").
Defense attorneys always nitpick the tiniest details and blow them all
out of proportion in order to get the jury to forget the main
evidence. Also defense attorneys for the criminals amongst us will
always attack and malign decent people with no conscience if it will
get their scumbag clients free. Back to Clearwater, Florida-- my
search engine delivered up Jeffrey G. Brown Attorney. Anyone keeping
track will see that Jeffrey posts on any day of the week at any given
time. He's no 8 to 5 guy- he could be an attorney.
Again why the fuss and why did both of you try to change the subject
at hand just after I mentioned: "which way is it from the Gulf to the
Bay?"
I.E.
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=347925931
Subject: Has Gumshoe McTavish Collared The Notorious USENET SCUM
aka Jeffrey G. Brown?
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date: 1998/04/26
Message-ID: <3543bfdf....@news.tavish-central.net>
[...]
Has Gumshoe McTavish finally nabbed the USENET SCUM?
Let us consider the evidence. Notice all the legalese that Jeffrey G.
Brown uses too. This is very important in this investigation.
...........................................................
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=345702467
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie shows us the sad results of
mail-order law degrees
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
[Notice the title of Jeffrey's post and also take notice of Jeffrey's
Message ID. You will see this same ID throughout the thread and it is
proof that all that follows was from the same thread too! Now watch as
Jeffrey ducks out from under being an attorney in Florida! Tavish]
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:14:32 -0400
In article <35391dc5....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "I'll
try pretending to be Perry Mason for a while, and see if the laughter
dies down" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net)
wrote:
> Here is your task: I maintain and prove that Jewry had plotted and
> agitated for Jesus' death. I used a detective's casebook approach.
> I showed each step of the way from their plotting to the assigning of
> blood guilt.
From "Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged":
"Jewry, n. the Jewish people; Jews collectively."
Yet, Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie can only cite the Pharisees in his
largely hearsay 'evidence'. And the Pharisees, as is well documented,
were but one sect of the Jewish religion at the time -- not "Jews
collectively". So, to no one's great surprise, Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie is again making a claim that his evidence does not support.
Oh, and for those who aren't familiar of the peculiar dialect known as
Bradburyspeak, "blood guilt" is a phrase meaning "blaming people for
actions they had no part in, based solely on the fact that they
observe the same religious tradition as long-dead individuals that
Scott Bradbury is obsessed with". It should be noted that "blood
guilt" is reserved strictly for Jews; in Scottie's Fantasyland,
Christians bear no blood guilt for the atrocities of the nominally
Christian regime of the Third Reich, for instance.
> [...deletia...]
> >The court now asks: "Are there any witnesses that wish to testify as to
> >who murdered Jesus"?
> >
> >"We have three to testify what they know by written affidavits"!
From "Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged":
"affidavit, n. a declaration in writing signed by the party and
sworn to, usually before a notary public"
So, when and where did the alleged authors of the New Testament
gospels sign and swear to the contents of their supposed writings, and
who notarized same? Looks like Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is again using
words he really doesn't understand.
JGB
~~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My terse reply:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=345755289
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: Re: Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie shows us the sad results of
mail-order law degrees
Message-ID: <353a91be...@news.tavish-central.net>
References:
<353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
[Notice the same message ID for Jeffrey G. Brown? Tavish]
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:53:46 GMT
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:14:32 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
>In article <35391dc5....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "I'll try
>pretending to be Perry Mason for a while, and see if the laughter dies
>down" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
Speaking of law degrees - I wonder if you are the attorney that
practices law in Florida. You seem to post your material at various
times throughout the week. You can't be an hourly person because an
hourly person wouldn't be free to post at the times you do. I'll wager
that you are Jeffrey G. Brown Atty at Law!
>JGB
~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~
After very carefully baiting the hook I waited for my mullet to nibble
and then:
A change of subject title and Jefrey acting like the attorney I
accused him of being:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=345777891
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
Run!
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:10:35 -0400
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
References: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a91be...@news.tavish-central.net>
[Notice that the ol'
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
is still in the chain of references and now Jeffrey is reacting to the
topic of his being Jeffrey G. Brown Atty -Clearwater, Florida. Tavish
observation]
In article <353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott
"Evidence? I don' need no steenkin' evidence!" Bradbury
(doc_t...@bigfoot.com,phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> Speaking of law degrees - I wonder if you are the attorney that
> practices law in Florida. You seem to post your material at various
> times throughout the week. You can't be an hourly person because an
> hourly person wouldn't be free to post at the times you do. I'll wager
> that you are Jeffrey G. Brown Atty at Law!
1. Scott Bradbury (phi...@phoenix.net) has asserted that I am an
attorney practicing law in Florida.
2. Bradbury will undertake to provide specific, detailed evidence
supporting this claim.
3. A neutral third party -- such as a panel of arbitrators provided by
the American Arbitration Association or a comparable organization,
mutually agreed upon by Scott Bradbury and Jeffrey G. Brown -- will
make the final determination that Bradbury has (or has not)
demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that I am an attorney
practicing law in Florida.
4. The US Federal Rules of Evidence and Federal Rules of Civil
Procedure would be used for discovery and Rule 52 would be applied.
5. If the neutral third party determines that Scott Bradbury has
failed to fulfill condition (2) above,Scott Bradbury will pay all
costs of arbitration and all stenographic fees.
6. If the neutral third party determines that Scott Bradbury has, in
fact, fulfilled condition (2) above, Jeffrey G. Brown will pay all
costs of arbitration and all stenographic fees.
Let's all amuse ourselves watching Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie run away
from this challenge as fast as his little legs can carry him.
[...]
~~~~~~~ END~~~~~~~~
Gumshoe McTavish's reply to Jeffrey G. Brown:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=345781889
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
Run!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:08:59 GMT
Message-ID: <353b5b13...@news.tavish-central.net>
References:
[...]
<35391dc5....@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a91be...@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
(That ol' nagging reference of Jeffrey's is till there showing the
thread's integrity as well as my serial references. Here is Jeffrey's
original post reference number:
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
in case you all lost track. Now watch his reply and see how he
completely changes the subject! Tavish]
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:10:35 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
>In article <353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Evidence? I
>don' need no steenkin' evidence!" Bradbury
>(doc_t...@bigfoot.com,phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
>> Speaking of law degrees - I wonder if you are the attorney that
>> practices law in Florida. You seem to post your material at various
>> times throughout the week. You can't be an hourly person because an
>> hourly person wouldn't be free to post at the times you do. I'll wager
>> that you are Jeffrey G. Brown Atty at Law!
>1. Scott Bradbury (phi...@phoenix.net) has asserted that I am an attorney
>practicing law in Florida.
>
>2. Bradbury will undertake to provide specific, detailed evidence
>supporting this claim.
>
>3. A neutral third party -- such as a panel of arbitrators provided by the
>American Arbitration Association or a comparable organization, mutually
>agreed upon by Scott Bradbury and Jeffrey G. Brown -- will make the
>final determination that Bradbury has (or has not) demonstrated beyond
>reasonable doubt that I am an attorney practicing law in Florida.
>
>4. The US Federal Rules of Evidence and Federal Rules of Civil Procedure
>would be used for discovery and Rule 52 would be applied.
>
>5. If the neutral third party determines that Scott Bradbury has failed
>to fulfill condition (2) above,Scott Bradbury will pay all costs of
>arbitration and all stenographic fees.
>
>6. If the neutral third party determines that Scott Bradbury has, in
>fact, fulfilled condition (2) above, Jeffrey G. Brown will pay all costs of
>arbitration and all stenographic fees.
>
>
>Let's all amuse ourselves watching Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie run away from
>this challenge as fast as his little legs can carry him.
You definitely come across as an attorney but do you know which way
the Gulf is to the Bay?
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> To see who the official poster boy
>> for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>> http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
>
>That, of course, is a link to the forged post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
>is so fond of. Unable to refute my arguments concerning his lack of
>evidence that "Jewry had plotted and agitated for Jesus' death", the
>Gutless One does what he does best: lie and smear.
"...But, Mommy, everybody else is doing it!..."
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=281094047
Subject: Re: Weltner spotting, complete with poor reading
comprehension
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date: 1997/10/16
--------
To see who the official poster boy
for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~
Now notice in Jeffrey's reply he totally sidesteps about being an
attorney that practices law in Florida (why would this be?):
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=345797783
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
Run!
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:44 -0400
[Notice the Eastern Time Zone too and only minutes different than his
previous posting! Tavish]
Here is the message Refence ID string as well:
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
References: <35364d29....@news.tavish-central.net>
<199804161922...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<35365e62....@news.tavish-central.net>
<3536afb7....@news.tavish-central.net>
<35391dc5....@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a7287...@news.tavish-central.net>
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
<353a91be...@news.tavish-central.net>
[Folks notice that Jefrey's
<jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.newsguy.com>
is still there but notice that he has completely deviated from being a
lawyer in Florida! Why is this so? Tavish]
In article <353a91be...@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "I whine
constantly about others making 'personal attacks' -- but I just love
doing it myself, especially if I can work in another lie!" Bradbury
(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:10:35 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> >That, of course, is a link to the forged post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
> >is so fond of. Unable to refute my arguments concerning his lack of
> >evidence that "Jewry had plotted and agitated for Jesus' death", the
> >Gutless One does what he does best: lie and smear.
>
> "...But, Mommy, everybody else is doing it!..."
Yes, that is the excuse Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie always uses. Nice to
see him admit it openly for a change.
Note that he _still_ can't refute my arguments concerning his lack of
evidence that "Jewry had plotted and agitated for Jesus' death".
<< SFX: crickets... >>
> [...deletia...]
> To see who the official poster boy
> for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
> http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is still using lies and forgeries. Why does a
"truth teller" need lies and forgeries, Scottie?
<< SFX: crickets... >>
JGB
~~~~~~~~~ END~~~~~~~~~~~
Now here is Jeffrey's ally Allan Matthews stepping in to help and
notice that he helps Jeffrey shift the topic away from being an
attorney who practices law in Florida! All of this in the same thread
too!
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346066987
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
Run!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:06:41 -0400
In article <353b5b13...@news.tavish-central.net>, Self-admitted
habitual liar Scottie Bradbury, cowering behind
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:44 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>--------
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
Looks like Jeffery was right. You've just tucked tail and run away
from his challenge like the coward you are, Scottie.
allan
~~~~~~~~ END~~~~~~~~
Allan did say: "Looks like Jeffery was right. You've just tucked tail
and run away from his challenge like the coward you are, Scottie."
I reply to one and all:
No the coward is Jeffrey G. Brown who practices law in Clearwater,
Florida and who likes pestering and stalking people relentlessly and
now that I have found him- he is the one tucking tail and running!
The son of bitch talks about accountability and taking responsibility
for words etc. while using multiple gizmos to hide his real ISP has
now tucked tail and run. He may be found in any telephone book too.
I have the son of a bitch's street address and telephone number too
BUT I'll refrain from posting it. If what I do now appears rude then
consider Jeffrey has done exactly the same to many others!
[...]
~~~~~ End of Archived Reference Posting~~~~~~
Yes, Allan from your reactions and even ol' Yale Edeiken sticking his
nose in to offer some diversion only lets me know that I have the
father sucker's nuts in a vise and I'll be giving the ol' handle a
frequent turn on occasion. (Notice that I called him a father sucker-
to call him a mother --cker would be implying that he is at least a
heterosexual.) I hope he sleeps good at night too! One thing about
being an attorney- the bastard can't ever do business with an unlisted
phone number can he?
This message is being posted to about 60 other news gfroups throughout
using 9 ISPs and 15 different news servers!
TTFN
Doc Tavish
Now here is Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews' complete post.
Notice all the squawking he makes over nothing! Why is Jeffrey
defending himself? He's an attorney isn't he? Hardee har har har- hey
look whose ROTFLHAO now!
.................................................................
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
Matthews) wrote:
>In article <3543bfdf....@news.tavish-central.net>, Admitted
>habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering as usual behind
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>
>[some of Scottie's patented hilarious spew snipped]
Yeah, umh huh
>Students, in our examination of the behavior of complete and blithering
>idiots, there is no better textbook example than that of "Sieg Heil"
>Scottie Bradbury.
>
>In today's lesson we'll first look at "Sieg Heil" Scottie's understanding
>of timestamps on usenet messages:
>
>First here is a header from one of his own messages, which was posted
>from Houston TX in the Central Time Zone during Daylight Savings Time.
>
>From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
>Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
>Run!
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:08:59 GMT
>
>Note that the timestamp is stated based on GMT - Greenwich Mean Time.
>
>Now here is a header from a message posted by Jeffrey G. Brown that "Sieg
>Heil" Scottie claims is proof that Jeffrey lives in Florida:
>
>From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
>Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
>Run!
>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:44 -0400
>
>Note that the timestamp indicates Eastern Daylight Time, which is correct
>for Florida, and anywhere else in the Eastern Time Zone. How Scottie
>gets from here to Jeffrey living in Clearwater Florida is not at all
>clear.
And to think just the other day Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews you
were trying to convince us that Jefffry could be in California and now
you are agreeing with me. With friends like you Jeffrey G. Brown the
Attorney in Florida doesn't need any more enemies! ROTFLMAO big time
too!
Remember this dickhead?
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=348111022
Subject: "Sieg Heil" Scottie has some more trouble dealing with
reality, so he lies AGAIN
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Date: 1998/04/27
Message-ID: <MPG.fae74cce...@news.shore.net>
In article <3543d355....@news.phoenix.net>, admitted
habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering beind
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:56 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:
>
>>In article <3543bfe7....@news.tavish-central.net>,
>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>>
>>[nothing of consequence - just lies and libels - as usual]
Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews did say:
>>Of course, what "Sieg Heil" Scottie won't explain is why he thinks
>>Jeffery Brown is this lawyer in Florida. Afterall, Jeffery Brown must be
>>a common name. The Jeffery G. Brown he libels so frequently posts from
>>California, not Florida.
~~~~~ End of Archived Post~~~~~
>Now, students, applying what we've learned regarding logical consistency,
>where does "Sieg Heil" Scottie's timestamp indicate he's posting from?
They have learned that you are consistent you Marxist father sucker!
Hardee har har har ROTFLMAO!
>Next, students, we'll look further into the twisted logic employed by the
>Bradbury bot. Consider this next example:
>
>>No the coward is Jeffrey G. Brown who practices law in Clearwater,
>>Florida and who likes pestering and stalking people relentlessly and
>>now that I have found him- he is the one tucking tail and running!
>
>So, students, this explains why "Sieg Heil" Scottie didn't take up
>Jeffrey's challenge to prove to an impartial panel that Scottie's claim
>regarding his being a lawyer in Clearwater Fl. is correct.
The fully documented and referenced archival post shows both you and
Jeffrey shifting the debate from which you now say I shunned. The
evidence convicts you Comrade! You sure are making one big fuss over
nothing! BTW where is Jeffrey now?
>Secondly, of course, the mere fact that Scottie's conclusion that Jeffrey
>is a lawyer is based on his use of big words like "evidence" would
>probably send such a panel into uncontrolled seizures from laughing too
>hard.
>
>Next, students, we'll examine the Bradbury bot's complete lack of any
>sense of personal responsibility and his all consuming hypocrisy:
Again you surely are going to a great effort over nothing! You are
funny though.
>>The son of bitch talks about accountability and taking responsibility
>>for words etc. while using multiple gizmos to hide his real ISP has
>>now tucked tail and run.
>
>Sounds like an apt description of "Sieg Heil" Scottie, who's obviously
>projecting again, just like he does when he imagines people having
>homosexual crushes on him.
>
>Of course, it would be nice if "Sieg Heil" Scottie here actually posted
>some sort of evidence that Jeffrey is using "multiple gizmos" (love that
>techno-talk there, Mr. 6th grade drop out) to hide his "real ISP." As
>your own posts point out Jeffrey posts consistently from an ISP in
>California, not Florida.
>
>>He may be found in any telephone book too.
>
>Finally, we'll examine this supposed "Christian's" use of veiled threats:
>
>>I have the son of a bitch's street address and telephone number too
>>BUT I'll refrain from posting it.
>
>Of course, the implication is that Scottie will post it if he chooses.
>For an extra credit assignment, students, you should study the legal
>implications for "Sieg Heil" Scottie if he posts such information and
>then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown.
>
>That's all for now, students. I know your heads must be reeling from
>"Sieg Heil" Scottie's hypocritical and ridiculous display.
>
>Remember kids - Don't be like Scottie - Stay in school!
>
>ROTFL!
I'll bet you a stale bagel that Jeffrey G. Brown isn't giggling!
>
>allan
I'll also bet a stale bagel that Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews
isn't giggling either! Ya
To see who the official poster boy
for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
Doc Tavish
>On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:
>
>>In article <3543bfdf....@news.tavish-central.net>, Admitted
>>habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering as usual behind
>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>>>I have the son of a bitch's street address and telephone number too
>>>BUT I'll refrain from posting it.
>>Of course, the implication is that Scottie will post it if he chooses.
>>For an extra credit assignment, students, you should study the legal
>>implications for "Sieg Heil" Scottie if he posts such information and
>>then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown.
If you are claiming in such a positive manner that the Jeffrey G.
Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida is not the same as the NAMBLA boy
that pesters peoiple here then why would you say: "if he posts such
information and then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown."
You very phraisng looks like a dodge. Why should yoiu care? You don't
care about us- you care about getting obnoxious Jeffrey G. Brown off
the hook! Where is the bastard today and why isn't he speaking for
himself? Are you now trying to be a defense attorney for scumbags too?
>>That's all for now, students. I know your heads must be reeling from
>>"Sieg Heil" Scottie's hypocritical and ridiculous display.
>>
>>Remember kids - Don't be like Scottie - Stay in school!
>>
>>ROTFL!
>
>I'll bet you a stale bagel that Jeffrey G. Brown isn't giggling!
>
>>
>>allan
>
>I'll also bet a stale bagel that Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews
>isn't giggling either! Ya
>
>
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
................................................................................................................
"Eye for eye, wound for wound, and blow for blow..(Ex 21:24,25)" Jews
haven't received one thing they haven't already dealt out to others.
NWT cited above for scripture.
Yale F. Edeiken
> doc_tavish a/k/a the mad mailbomber can't figure it out:
> >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
> >Matthews) wrote:
> >>Of course, the implication is that Scottie will post it if he chooses.
> >>For an extra credit assignment, students, you should study the legal
> >>implications for "Sieg Heil" Scottie if he posts such information and
> >>then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown.
> If you are claiming in such a positive manner that the Jeffrey G.
> Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida is not the same as the NAMBLA boy
> that pesters peoiple here then why would you say: "if he posts such
> information and then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown."
The only conditional there is whether or not you are stupid enough to compound
the problems you already have.
> You very phraisng looks like a dodge. Why should yoiu care? You don't
> care about us
It's fun watching you audition to be a bug on somebody's windshield.
--YFE
visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Doc Tavish
>On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:
>
>>In article <3543bfdf....@news.tavish-central.net>, Admitted
>>habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering as usual behind
>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>>
>>[some of Scottie's patented hilarious spew snipped]
>
>Yeah, umh huh
>
>>Students, in our examination of the behavior of complete and blithering
>>idiots, there is no better textbook example than that of "Sieg Heil"
>>Scottie Bradbury.
Blthering idiots are those that spend inordinate amounts of time on
"nothing." A smart person makes efficient use of their time! You
definitely show that a diversion is being made! ROTFLMAO
>>In today's lesson we'll first look at "Sieg Heil" Scottie's understanding
>>of timestamps on usenet messages:
>>
>>First here is a header from one of his own messages, which was posted
>>from Houston TX in the Central Time Zone during Daylight Savings Time.
>>
>>From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
>>Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
>>Run!
>>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:08:59 GMT
>>
>>Note that the timestamp is stated based on GMT - Greenwich Mean Time.
>>
>>Now here is a header from a message posted by Jeffrey G. Brown that "Sieg
>>Heil" Scottie claims is proof that Jeffrey lives in Florida:
>>
>>From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
>>Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
>>Run!
>>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:44 -0400
>>
>>Note that the timestamp indicates Eastern Daylight Time, which is correct
>>for Florida, and anywhere else in the Eastern Time Zone. How Scottie
>>gets from here to Jeffrey living in Clearwater Florida is not at all
>>clear.
>And to think just the other day Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews you
>were trying to convince us that Jeffrey could be in California and now
>you are agreeing with me. With friends like you Jeffrey G. Brown the
>Attorney in Florida doesn't need any more enemies! ROTFLMAO big time
>too!
>
>Remember this dickhead?
>
>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=348111022
>Subject: "Sieg Heil" Scottie has some more trouble dealing with
>reality, so he lies AGAIN
>From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
>Date: 1998/04/27
>Message-ID: <MPG.fae74cce...@news.shore.net>
>
>In article <3543d355....@news.phoenix.net>, admitted
>habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering beind
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>>On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:51:56 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>>Matthews) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3543bfe7....@news.tavish-central.net>,
>>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>>>
>>>[nothing of consequence - just lies and libels - as usual]
>
>Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews did say:
>>>Of course, what "Sieg Heil" Scottie won't explain is why he thinks
>>>Jeffery Brown is this lawyer in Florida. Afterall, Jeffery Brown must be
>>>a common name. The Jeffery G. Brown he libels so frequently posts from
>>>California, not Florida.
> ~~~~~ End of Archived Post~~~~~
[Notice that Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews said the above as fact
and not mere conjecture. It is also ironic that he chose a state that
is on the exact opposite and nearly most distance from Florida as he
could. Now I ask you Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews were you, in
fact, lying when you said: "The Jeffery G. Brown he libels so
frequently posts from California, not Florida." or were you lying when
you did say: "Note that the timestamp indicates Eastern Daylight Time,
which is correct for Florida, and anywhere else in the Eastern Time
Zone. How Scottie gets from here to Jeffrey living in Clearwater
Florida is not at all clear." in regard to:
"From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Re: Another Simple Proposal -- Watch Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
Run!
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:44 -0400"? Whch lie have I caught you in
now Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews?! Speak up you Marxist bastard!
Many people are dying to hear you 'splain this current slip up you've
made. ROTFLMAO
........................................................................
Here is Jeffrey G. Brown Atty, himself, telling all that he is in the
EASTERN time zone:
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=248757672
Subject: Further lies and evasions from Bradbury
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date: 1997/06/15
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.zippo.com>
[...]
Now that that is settled, let us note that Bradbury has just tried and
failed to divert attention from the fact that the forgeries he's been
reposting originated at his ISP, and not mine.
> [...deletia...]
> > Here's some additional "documented and informative material": First, both
> > forgeries bear an offset in the timestamp of -0500 (mine are marked
> > -0400)... that, of course, is the correct offset for Central Time, and
> > matches nicely with Bradbury's location in Texas. Second, whereas my posts
> > are marked as being generated with NewsWatcher 2.4.0, the forgeries that
> > Bradbury has been reposting were created with Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I)
> > -- just like Bradbury's own posts.
[...]
~~~~~~~ End of Archival reference post~~~~~~~
What did Jeffrey G. Brown Atty Clearwater, Florida say?
He said:
> > First, both forgeries bear an offset in the timestamp of -0500 (mine
> > are marked -0400)... that, of course, is the correct offset for Central
> >Time, and matches nicely with Bradbury's location in Texas.
I say that if Jeffrey reasoned that I am in the Central Time Zone with
a timestamp of -0500 and he declares that he is in the -0400 then I
would only conclude that he is in the Eastern Time Zone! How many
Jeffrey G. Browns are in the Eastern Time Zone? How many just plain
Jeffrey Browns are there? I've already looked and there aren't many
Jeffrey Browns or J.G. Browns but there sure the hell is a Jeffrey G.
Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida!
Look at his usual sig line:
===================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
One can tell that Jeffrey G. Brown is adamant about being called
Jeffrey G. Brown and look at his posting name preference:
From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Not Jeffrey Brown or Jeff Brown or even J.G. Brown- nope- he likes to
be known as Jeffrey G. Brown period!]
Subject: Re: Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie shows us some more of his yellow
streak
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:00:25 -0400
^^^^^
[That old Eastern Time Zone give away again!]
.....................................................................
Doc Tavish
On 28 Apr 98 19:19:15 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> doc_tavish a/k/a the mad mailbomber can't figure it out:
>> >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>> >Matthews) wrote:
>
>> >>Of course, the implication is that Scottie will post it if he chooses.
>> >>For an extra credit assignment, students, you should study the legal
>> >>implications for "Sieg Heil" Scottie if he posts such information and
>> >>then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown.
>> If you are claiming in such a positive manner that the Jeffrey G.
>> Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida is not the same as the NAMBLA boy
>> that pesters peoiple here then why would you say: "if he posts such
>> information and then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown."
Yale attempts to muddy the waters in defense of Jeffrey G. Brown:
> The only conditional there is whether or not you are stupid enough to compound
>the problems you already have.
But have you noticed how he has kept virtually silent since my
revelation? Hey Yale look at this fuck up Comrade Allan Sonofvitch
Matthews made in defense of the NETSCUM aka JEFFREY G. BROWN:
>On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:
>
>>In article <3543bfdf....@news.tavish-central.net>, Admitted
>>habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury, cowering as usual behind
>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com, spews...
>>
>>[some of Scottie's patented hilarious spew snipped]
>
>Yeah, umh huh
>
>>Students, in our examination of the behavior of complete and blithering
>>idiots, there is no better textbook example than that of "Sieg Heil"
>>Scottie Bradbury.
Blithering idiots are those that spend inordinate amounts of time on
........................................................................
[...]
> [...deletia...]
[...]
.....................................................................
Comrade Matthews isn't a good "lawyer" like Jeffrey G. Brown is!
> --YFE
Doc Tavish
On 28 Apr 98 19:19:15 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
Hey Yale, you were right about you being easy to find! What do the
folks in Allentown think knowing they have a socialist living on the
block? :-) Be sure to give my regards to "Alta" if you get my drift!
Tavish
Yale F. Edeiken
> doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
> On 28 Apr 98 19:19:15 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> Hey Yale, you were right about you being easy to find! What do the
> folks in Allentown think knowing they have a socialist living on the
> block?
Why don't you call a few and tell them.
Or isn't being the bug on one windshield enough for you?
Yale F. Edeiken
> doc_tavish a/k/a the mad mailbomber babbles:
> >> >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:41:04 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
> >> >Matthews) wrote:
> >> If you are claiming in such a positive manner that the Jeffrey G.
> >> Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida is not the same as the NAMBLA boy
> >> that pesters peoiple here then why would you say: "if he posts such
> >> information and then turns out to have the wrong Jeffrey G. Brown."
>
> Yale attempts to muddy the waters in defense of Jeffrey G. Brown:
Not really. I just informed the world how stupid you are.
> > The only conditional there is whether or not you are stupid enough to
compound the problems you already have.
> But have you noticed how he has kept virtually silent since my
> revelation?
No. I haven't. Neither has anybody else.
> I say that if Jeffrey reasoned that I am in the Central Time Zone with
> a timestamp of -0500 and he declares that he is in the -0400 then I
> would only conclude that he is in the Eastern Time Zone! How many
> Jeffrey G. Browns are in the Eastern Time Zone? How many just plain
> Jeffrey Browns are there? I've already looked and there aren't many
> Jeffrey Browns or J.G. Browns but there sure the hell is a Jeffrey G.
> Brown Atty in Clearwater, Florida!
I have no doubt that there is a Jeffrey G. Brown, Esq. in Clearwater, Florida.
I note as well that you have continually published material which labels him a child
molester and a pederast.
I'm sure he'll be quite pleased. Why I'm sure he'll even invite you to the
party.
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35462c89...@news.phoenix.net>, Scott "Prince of Lies"
Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>>And to think just the other day Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews you
>>were trying to convince us that Jeffrey could be in California and now
>>you are agreeing with me.
And to think that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie still hasn't explained just how
an EDT timestamp is proof positive that I'm located in Clearwater,
Florida...
> [...deletia...]
>http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=248757672
>Subject: Further lies and evasions from Bradbury
>From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
>Date: 1997/06/15
>Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.zippo.com>
>
>[...]
>
>Now that that is settled, let us note that Bradbury has just tried and
>failed to divert attention from the fact that the forgeries he's been
>reposting originated at his ISP, and not mine.
Of course, this whole 'Clearwater' tap-dance that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
is trying to entertain us with is simply another attempt to divert
attention from his continued use of forgeries.
>> > Here's some additional "documented and informative material": First, both
>> > forgeries bear an offset in the timestamp of -0500 (mine are marked
>> > -0400)... that, of course, is the correct offset for Central Time, and
>> > matches nicely with Bradbury's location in Texas. Second, whereas my posts
>> > are marked as being generated with NewsWatcher 2.4.0, the forgeries that
>> > Bradbury has been reposting were created with Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I)
>> > -- just like Bradbury's own posts.
> [...deletia...]
>I say that if Jeffrey reasoned that I am in the Central Time Zone with
>a timestamp of -0500 and he declares that he is in the -0400 then I
>would only conclude that he is in the Eastern Time Zone!
...Which would, of course, only tend to support the conclusion that the
post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie so loves to cite is, in fact, a
forgery, since it originated in the Central Time Zone.
> [...deletia...]
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
--
=====================================================================
Doc Tavish
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:05:14 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/880812_Abortion.html
THE JEWISH STAR
Biblical Text on Abortion [1]
Jews who are exposed to the public debate over abortion laws (and who
can avoid it today?) tend to find themselves somewhat surprised at the
degree of certainty with which some of the parties, notably the Roman
Catholics and Protestant fundamentalists, are able to express
themselves.
This tone is in marked contrast to the statements of our own rabbis
who often hesitate to speak in generalizations, preferring to
emphasize the complexity of the considerations in Jewish law. This, by
the way, has not been the tenor of the debate conducted in Israel,
where the question--like many other religious issues (autopsies are
another example)--has become politicized, forcing many Rabbis into
one-sided public statements.
While I do not wish to propose a normative Jewish position on the
subject, I would like to examine one aspect of this debate, namely the
use of biblical sources by Jews and Christians in support of their
respective positions.
Let me begin by singling out one of the principal points of
contention: Whatever their position concerning the permissibility of
abortion, virtually all Jewish authorities would agree that abortion
is not to be legally classified as murder.
This thesis seems to be spelled out quite clearly in the Torah. Thus,
in Exodus 21:22-23 we read, "If men strive and hurt a woman with child
so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow, he
shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay
upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any
mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."
The text (presented here according to the non-Jewish King James
translation) makes it clear that the causing of a miscarriage where it
does not involve the death of the mother ("mischief") is not to be
treated as a capital offence; nor even as manslaughter, for which an
entirely different procedure would be invoked, involving the exile of
the culprit to a "city of refuge." Rather it is perceived as a civil
offence involving nothing more than a monetary compensation to the
husband.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Translations Differ
So given the fact that Christians accept the same Bible as we do, how
can some of them argue with such certainty that the Bible regards
abortion as murder?
The answer to this question involves a little-appreciated fact,
namely, that the Christian Bible is not always identical to the
accepted Jewish one.
In this particular instance the text used by the Roman Catholic church
is actually based on a different reading of the text, as found in the
earliest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint. This
translation was prepared in the Egyptian city of Alexandria in the 3rd
century B.C.E.
Though incorporating much authentic Jewish interpretation and referred
to with reverence in Talmudic literature, the Rabbis came to realize
that this translation had come to differ to a considerable extent from
the Judaism that was developing in the Land of Israel. The Septuagint
was eventually abandoned by the Jews in favour of other translations
into Greek and Aramaic that were more in keeping with what had become
the Jewish "orthodoxy."
The Jewish abandoning of the Septuagint was also facilitated by the
fact that it was by then the "official" version of the nascent
Christian church.
The Biblical passage in question is rendered in the Septuagint as
follows: "...if there is no form, then he shall be fined...but if it
has a form, then you shall give life for life."
According to this reading, the verse deals only with the fate of the
fetus and is concerned with distinguishing between an undeveloped and
developed fetus, a distinction that is recognized by halachah and, for
that matter, by the old Canadian law. It establishes that the penalty
"life for life" is to be inflicted upon one who destroys a developed
fetus.
This version of the passage became the source for the subsequent Roman
Catholic positions on the subject--though it does not quite help us to
explain similar statements made by Protestant groups who do not accept
the Septuagint tradition. These latter groups generally base their
positions not so much on specific Biblical texts as on broader
positions vis à vis permissiveness or the family.
Those Protestant theologians who do take the Exodus passage into
account relate to it in a number of different ways. In a 1969
symposium on the subject of abortion, several participants used the
verse to justify liberal positions--including at least one who, during
the course of the conference, became persuaded by it to alter his
previously held "pro-life" views.
Other participants resorted to alternative interpretations, construing
the word "mischief" to refer to the fate of the fetus as well as of
the mother (this was cited in the name of the distinguished Jewish
Biblical scholar Umberto Cassuto).
Still others argued that on this point, the text, like much of
Biblical law, was to be superseded by other quotations in both the
"Old Testament" and Christian scriptures that seem to refer poetically
to the existence of souls before birth.
A favourite citation of this sort is Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed
you in the womb I knew you for my own." Taken literally this verse
could extend the life-span of the fetus to before conception!
[1]
First Publication: JS, August 12 1988.
Bibliography:
•D. Bleich, Contemporary Halakhic Problems [1], New York 1977.
•D. Feldman, Marital Relations, Birth Control and Abortion in Jewish
Law, New York 1974.
•R. Biale, Women and Jewish Law, New York 1984.
•Y. Yadin, The Temple Scroll, Jerusalem 1983.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To see who agrees with the Jewish perspective just click:
" ADL's Abe Foxman's Hypocrisy On Genocide"
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088
.......................................................................
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296164002
http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325439799
........................................................................
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=202591533
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326638303
Compare the two above and see what you think!
JGB
--
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <3546d76f....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "I'm
getting so desperate, I won't even bother forging the headers" Bradbury
(doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:05:14 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/880812_Abortion.html
>
>THE JEWISH STAR
> [...deletia...]
>JGB
No one will be surprised to learn that I didn't write any of that. Poor
Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying again, of course.
What's revealing is that he's so completely incapable of answering the
charges of being a liar, forger, misogynist, coward, etc. that he is now
resorting to posting irrelevant material at random and pretending that
it's a 'response'. Utterly pathetic...
Doc Tavish
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
On 28 Apr 1998 21:25:03 GMT, mswi...@magenta.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael
R. Swishart) wrote:
>follow-ups trimmed
>
>In article <353e7b13....@news.phoenix.net>,
>Reginald Higham Cornelius McTavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>Let us first examine what "Talmudic Pharisaic Jews" are.
>>From their own writings we have this information to give us an overall
>>definition:
>>
>>"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
>>of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
>>largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
>>it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
>>partly works of edification (Haggadic)." The Universal Jewish
>>Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474]
>Jesus *commanded* the Jews to follow the Pharisees:
>
>Matt 23
>
>Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
>"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
>So you must obey them and do everything they tell you.
As pointed out to you before- only while the Old Covenant or Mosaic
Law was still in effect. If Jesus would have told the people to do
likewise at the time then he would have been lawless. As it was also
brought out - the Pharisees had pretty well overturned the Law and
replaced it with their traditions of men as brought out here:
Mark 7:1-19 (English-RSV)
1 Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the
scribes, who had come from Jerusalem,
2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is,
unwashed.
3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash
their hands, observing the tradition of the elders;
4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless
they purify themselves; and there are many other traditions which they
observe, the washing of cups and pots and vessels of bronze.)
5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples
not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands
defiled?"
6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as
it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart
is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of
men."
9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the
commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!
10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who
speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die';
11 but you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, What you
would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God) --
12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or
mother,
13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you
hand on. And many such things you do."
...............................................................
Mr. Swishart, do you really actually want us to believe that Jesus
wants people to follow the Pharisees of today or do you think that the
New Covenant is the road he wants his people to follow?
>Do you want the Jews to DISOBEY Jesus?
They don't even acknowledge him today- how can they be disobedient to
him when they hold him in dishonour?
See:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=335624133
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition
According to TALMUD......
From: doc_t...@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date: 1998/03/19
Message-ID: <351130b8....@news.flash.net>
Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
From:
The Babylonian Talmud
Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
London
The Soncino Press 1935
[Note: When you see something such as {3}, this means a numbered
footnote for further reference. Words and phrases in ( ) are as the
appeared in the Talmud, in ( )s. G.S.]
<Gittin 57a on page 261 of above Talmud volume>:
He [Onkelos son of Kolonikos] then went and raised Balaam by
incantations. He asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He
[Balaam] replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them? He
replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy
days for ever. {2} He then asked: What is your punishment? He replied:
With boiling hot semen. {3} He then raised up by incantations the
sinners of Israel. {4} He asked them: What is your punishment? They
replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever
mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot
excrement.
Footnotes:
{2} Deut. XXIII, 7
{3} Because he enticed Israel to go astray.. V. Sanh. 106a
{4} [MS. M. Jesus]
X-reference to footnote {3} Sanhedrin 106a says:
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are
anti-Christian in tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus,
Phineas the Robber is taken to represent Pontius Pilate, and the
Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]
The footnote above belongs to contents of
<Sanhedrin 106a on page 725 of the Talmud volume>:
A certain min {8} said to Rabbi Hanina: Hast thou heard how old Balaam
was?- He replied: It was actually stated, but since it is written,
Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days. {9} [it
follows that] he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old. {10} He
rejoined: Thou hast said correctly: I personally have seen Balaam's
Chronicle in which it is stated, 'Balaam the lame was thirty years old
when Phineas the Robber killed him. {11}
Footnotes:
{8} Heretic
{9} Ps LV, 24
{10} cf. p.471, n. i
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are
anti-Christian in tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus,
Phineas the Robber is taken to represent Pontius Pilate, and the
Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]
_______________________________________
"It is clear that, therefore, that the Jewish legends deny the
resurrection of Jesus; the halakic assertion that Balaam (i.e. the
prototype of Jesus) had no part in the future life.... It is further
said: 'The pupils of the recreant Balaam inherit hell.'"
Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1905) page 172
On page 170 of the same encyclopedia under "In Jewish Legend"
we see: "The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three
sources, each independent of the others-(1) in New Testament apocrypha
and Christian polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and
(3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu") that originated in the
Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to belittle the
person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a
shameful death."
Further on the same page of the same encyclopedia, in the second
column, half way down we see: "All the "Toledot" editions contain a
[similar] story of a dispute which Jesus carried on withe the Scribes
who, on the ground of that dispute, declared him to be a bastard."
Turning the page in the same Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
(1905) to page 171 we see: "According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra
Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud (Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in
Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it..... Different in
nature is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot." ....
The accusation of magic is frequently brought against Jesus."
[...]
~~~~~ End of Archival Retrieval~~~~~~
Mr. Swishart, In my honest opinion I'd say that Jesus would look on
the current crop of Pharisees and their Judases with just as much
disdain as he did 2000 years ago!
>Why do you always leave out the first part of Matt 23, and only quote
>from later in the chapter? Trying to hide something?
No! It is irrelevant for the future. What he said was for the present
time being before the New Covenant. Now the Pharisees, their
traditions, laws etc. are all history to those that do adhere to
Jesus' teachings instead of Pharasiac Talmudic clap trap that you
ingested!
>M.Swishart
I've already answered you in the past Mr. Swishart or have you
forgotten these posts?
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=227066556
Subject: #2 Christ Killers- Herman's Side Loses Their Case
Again!!
From: Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>
Date: 1997/03/20
Message-ID: <33317D...@phoenix.net>
Michael R. Swishart wrote:
>
> follow-ups trimmed
[...]
> Yet earlier in Matt 23:2-3 Jesus says
>
> "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and
> observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach,
> but do not practice.
>
> So any Jewish person who is observing the teaching of the Pharisees
> is doing what Jesus commanded. Would you prefer that Jews NOT do
> what Jesus said?
Tavish replies:
The Jews were still under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant would
not occur till Jesus had died. "Consequently the Law has become our
tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to
faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are now no longer under
a tutor [Law]." Galatians 3: 24,25
As regards to people that observe the Pharisees teachings:
I especially like and hold to heart some of the things Jesus said of
or about Pharisees such as-
"For I say to you that if your righteousness does not abound more than
that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the
kingdom of the heavens."
Matthew 5: 20
"Offspring of vipers, how can you speak good things when you are
wicked?" Matthew 12: 34
"Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If then a blind man
guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit." Matthew 15: 14
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites because you shut up the
kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in,
neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. Woe to you,
scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites because you traverse the sea and dry
land to make one proselyte [convert], and when he becomes one you make
him a subject for Gehenna twice as much so as yourselves." Matthew 23:
13-15
[What religion were the Pharisees? If someone wanted to follow Jesus'
advice then they sure wouldn't want to ignore what Jesus said above!]
>>"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
>>break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
>>ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
>>of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
>>largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
>>it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
>>partly works of edification (Haggadic)." The Universal Jewish
>>Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474]
Jesus did say do as the Pharisees had commanded BUT only while the Old
Covenant was still in effect. He was the presenter of the New Covenant
which replaced Pharasaic Judaism. Can you show one disciple still
adhering to Judaism after the New Covenant was established? I can show
one that denounced Judaism!
I.E.
Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
Mr. Swishart was Paul being disobedient to Jesus for denouncing his
former Judaism- the religion of the Pharisees? Can you show where any
of the followers of the New Covenant were also adherers to the Old
Covenant? You can't and you should now admit it!
Here is more about the Law and it being done away with in the words of
former practicer of Judaism, the Apostle Paul:
Galatians 4:21-31 (English-RSV)
21[Apostle Paul speaks] Tell me, you who desire to be under law, do
you not hear the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one
by a free woman.
23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son
of the free woman through promise.
24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from
Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present
Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
[Notice which Jerusalem is the mother of Christians? NOT the Earthly
Jerusalem that represents the Old Covenant made at Mount Sinai with
Moses.]
Here is what Jesus said concerning the final outcome of the Pharisees
and their Temples:
Matthew 21:33-46 (English-RSV)
33 [Jesus said] "Hear another parable. There was a householder who
planted a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in
it, and built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into
another country.
34 When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the
tenants, to get his fruit;
35 and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and
stoned another.
36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the
same to them.
37 Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my
son.'
38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is
the heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.'
39 And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him.
40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to
those tenants?"
41 They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death,
and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits
in their seasons."
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The
very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the
corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from
you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it."
44 _
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they
perceived that he was speaking about them.
46 But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes,
because they held him to be a prophet.
Yes, Jesus foretold the Kingdom being ripped away from "The
Chosen[TM]" and they knew that he was talking about them too! The
nation that will be producing the fruits are the Gentiles and any Jew
that believes in the Son.
As for the destruction of the ones that killed the Son what did the
prophecy in 1 Kings 9: 3-9 say? It said: "... then I will cut off
Israel from the land which I have given them; and the house which I
have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my sight; and Israel
will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it
will be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the
LORD done thus to this land and to this house?'
What did Jesus say regarding the temple becoming ruins?
Matthew 24:1,2 (English-RSV)
1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to
point out to him the buildings of the temple.
2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say
to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will
not be thrown down."
As we all know the temple has been in ruins since 70 AD. This should
be obvious that the Pharisees and their decendents did not have God's
favor and to this very hour do not have God's favor!
Care to deny this information once again Mr. Swishart? I don't mind
reposting it. I'll repost it until you do finally get the sense of it!
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346882455
Subject: >Democratic Socialists of America Revisited (For Your
Files!)<
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/index.html
"The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist
organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of
the Socialist International (also in Francais and Espanol). DSA's
members are building progressive movements for social change while
establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and
politics."
[Socialist International http://www.gn.apc.org/socint/contents.html ]
{In this web site you can find out more about DSA, its politics,
structure and program. DSA's political perspective is called Where We
Stand. It says, in part (scroll down on main page) Tavish comment}:
"We are socialists because we reject an international economic order
sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender
discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence
in defense of the status quo."
"We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international
social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms
to achieve equitable distribution of resources,meaningful work, a
healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality,
and non-oppressive relationships."
"To forge a new American politics DSA has launched the Campaign for
Economic Justice. The Campaign for Economic Justice has three central
tenets:
*economic justice and security require first, that corporations and
the wealthy pay their fair share, and second, that every American
deserves a living wage and benefits for the work s/he does;
*all Americans - men and women of all races, ages, sexual orientations
and beliefs - must receive just and adequate rewards for their work;
*Americans must work with others around the world to ensure that
everyone receives a living wage and to guarantee that corporations do
not exploit people or the planet."
[Please take special note again of what was said and its ultimate
implications. DSA did state:
1) "We are socialists because we reject an international economic
order sustained by private profit,...."
2) "We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane
international social order based both on democratic planning and
market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of
resources,...."
3) "*Americans must work with others around the world..."
This is international communism and it is nothing else! Tavish]
Here is the Progressive Caucus in Congress (Part of Democratic
Socialists of America)
On the main page after scrolling down some, you will see:
"DSA is working with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a network
of more than 50 progressive members of the US House of
Representatives."
The leadership of this Caucus is:
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/pc/pc.html
Executive Commitee
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL), Chair
2202 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-4115, Fax: 202-225-6790
bsan...@hr.house.gov
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04), Co-Chair
124 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-1605, Fax: 202-226-0691
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04), Co-Chair
2134 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-6416, Fax: 202-225-0373
pdef...@hr.house.gov
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26), Co-Chair
2431 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-6335, Fax: 202-226-0774
hin...@mail.house.gov
Rep Major Owens (NY-11), Co-Chair
2305 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-6231, Fax: 202-226-0112
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12)
1221 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-2361, Fax: 202-226-0327
Rep Ron Dellums (CA-09)
2108 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-2661, Fax: 202-225-9817
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17)
2335 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-5905, Fax: 202-225-5396
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35)
2344 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-2201, Fax: 202-225-7854
Staff Coordinator
Bill Goold
202-225-4115
213 Cannon H.O.B.
Washington D.C.
20515
The complete list as indicated with the "clickable" at the bottom of
the list above is:
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/pc/pc.members.html
Members of the Progressive Caucus
Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-07)1314 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2665, Fax: 202-226-0772
Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL)2422 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8577, Fax: 202-225-8757
Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-02)2465 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4065, Fax: 202-225- 1655
edpa...@mail.house.gov
http://aspin.asu.edu/~pctp/pastor/pastor.html
Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-06)439 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515-0529 Phone: 202-225-5161, Fax: 202-225-5163
woo...@mail.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/woolsey/
Rep George Miller (CA-07)2205 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2095, Fax: 202-225-5609
gmi...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/
Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-08)2457 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4965, Fax: 202-225-8259
sfn...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/
Rep Ron Dellums (CA-09)2108 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2661, Fax: 202-225-9817
http://www.house.gov/dellums/
Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13)239 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5065, Fax: 202-226-3805
pete...@hr.house.gov
Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29)2204 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3976, Fax: 202-225-4099
http://www.house.gov/waxman/
Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-30)1119 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515-0530 Phone: 202-225-6235, Fax: 202-225-2202
Rep Julian C. Dixon (CA-32)2252 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515-0532 Phone: 202-225-7084, Fax: 202-225-4091
Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34)2269 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515-0534 Phone: 202-225-5256, Fax: 202-225-9711
arco...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/torres/
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35)2344 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2201, Fax: 202-225-7854
Rep George E. Brown (CA-42)2300 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6161, Fax: 202-225-8671
talk...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/georgebrown/
Rep Bob Filner (CA-50)330 Cannon House Office Building , Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3461, Fax: 202-226-4169
Rep Diane DeGette (CO-01)1404 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4431, Fax: 202-225-5657
Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL)1424 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8050, Fax: 202-225-3002
http://www.house.gov/norton/
Rep Corrine Brown (FL-03)1610 Longworth House Office Building ,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 225-0123, Fax: 202-225-2256
Rep Carrie P. Meek (FL-17)401 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4506, Fax: 202-226-0777
http://www.house.gov/meek/
Rep Alcee L. Hastings (FL-23)1039 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1313, Fax: 202-226-0690
hast...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/alceehastings/
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04)124 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1605, Fax: 202-226- 0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/
Rep John Lewis (GA-05)229 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC
20515-1005 Phone: 202-225-3801, Fax: 202-225-0351
Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)1233 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2726, Fax: 202-225-4580
ne...@abercrombie.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/abercrombie/
Rep Patsy Mink (HI-02)2135 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4906, Fax: 202-225-4987
Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-02)313 Cannon House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0773, Fax: 202-225-0899
Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)408 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8203, Fax: 202-225-7810
lu...@mail.house.gov
Rep Danny Davis (IL-07)1218 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5006, Fax: 202-225-5641
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17)2335 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5905, Fax: 202-225-5396
Rep Julia Carson (IN-10)1541 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4011, Fax: 202-226-4093
jca...@indy.net
Rep John Olver (MA-01)1027 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5335, Fax: 202-226-1224
ol...@mail.house.gov
Rep Jim McGovern (MA-03)512 Cannon House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5759, Fax: 202-225-6101
james.m...@mail.house.gov
Rep Barney Frank (MA-04)2210 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5931, Fax: 202-225-0182
http://www.house.gov/frank/
Rep John Tierney (MA-06)120 Cannon House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8020, Fax: 202-225-5915
Rep David Bonior (MI-10)2207 Rayburn House Office Building ,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2106, Fax: 202-226-1169
Rep Lynn N. Rivers (MI-13)1724 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6261, Fax: 202-225-3404
lri...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/rivers/
Rep John Conyers (MI-14)2426 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5126, Fax: 202-225-0072
jcon...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/conyers
Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02)1408 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5876, Fax: 202-225-5898
ms...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/thompson/
Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12)1230 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1510, Fax: 202-225-1512
mel...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/watt/
Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10)2244 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3436, Fax: 202-225-4160
Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)2448 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5635, Fax: 202-225-6923
nad...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/nadler/
Rep Major Owens (NY-11)2305 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6231, Fax: 202-226-0112
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12)1221 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2361, Fax: 202-226-0327
http://www.house.gov/velazquez/
Rep Charles Rangel (NY-15)2354 Rayburn House Office Building ,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4365, Fax: 202-225-0816
http://www.house.gov/serrano/
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26)2431 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6335, Fax: 202-226-0774
hin...@mail.house.gov
Rep John LaFalce (NY-29)2310 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3231, Fax: 202-225-8693
Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)2311 Rayburn House Office Building ,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4146, Fax: 202-225-7711
Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)1730 Longworth House Office Building ,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5871, Fax: 202-225-5745
Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11)2365 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-7032, Fax: 202-225-1339
Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13)328 Cannon House Office Building, Washington,
DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3401, Fax: 202-225-2266
she...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/sherrodbrown/
Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01)316 Cannon House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0855, Fax: 202-225-9497
furs...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/furse/
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04)2134 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6416, Fax: 202-225-0373
pdef...@hr.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/defazio/index.htm
Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02)1205 Longworth House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4001, Fax: 202-225-3127
http://www.house.gov/fattah/
Rep William Coyne (PA-14)2455 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2301, Fax: 202-225-1844
Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL)2443 Rayburn House Office
Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2615, Fax: 202-225-2154
http://www.house.gov/romero-barcelo/
Rep Robert C. Scott (VA-03)2464 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8351, Fax: 202-225-8354
bva...@mail.house.gov
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL)2202 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4115, Fax: 202-225-6790
bsan...@hr.house.gov
bsan...@igc.apc.org
http://www.house.gov/bernie/
Rep James A McDermott (WA-07)2349 Rayburn House Office Building,
Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3106, Fax: 202-225-2349
..................................................................
From this same very site we can access some good ol' Democartic
Socialist "Fighting Songs." Please note the link does not leave the
DSA web site!!!
From the main page you would click on the "Resources & Links"
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/rl/rl.html
at the left hand side of the main page and once in there click on
SONGS http://www.dsausa.org/rl/Docs/Songs.html
to see such beauties as:
Red Revolution
(to the tune of "When the Red, Red Robbin, Comes Bob, Bob Bobbin
Along" author: Ruy Texeira, Madison DSOC and/or Rick Kunnes, former
NAM Organizational Secretary 1979-1981)
When the Red Revolution
Brings Its Solution
Along, Along
There'll be no more lootin'
When we start shootin'
That Wall Street throng
Wake up you proletarians
Don't act like seminarians
Expropriate Barbarians
Build a Workers' Republic
Exploitation and Degradation
You Won't Find Here
Surplus Value and Capital Will Disappear
I'm Just a Red again,
Saying what I've said again,
When the Red Revolution... da, da, da, da
Brings Its Solution...da, da, da, da, da
A long
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie
Traditional American song, sung in rounds to the tune of "Frere
Jacques".
Are you sleeping, Are you sleeping,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill you all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie, See How They Run
Usually sung in rounds after "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie". Sung to
the tune of "Three Blind Mice".
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
See how they run,
See how they run
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill them all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
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This Land is Your Land
- Woody Guthrie
This Land is Your land, this land is my land
From California to the New York Island
From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me
As I was walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
I saw below me that golden valley
this land was made for you and me
I've roamed and rambled, and followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me, a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me
When the sun came shining, and I was strolling
And the wheatfields waving, and the dust clouds rolling
As the fog was lifting, a voice was chanting
This land was made for you and me
One bright Sunday morning in the shadows of the steeple
By the relief office, I seen my people
As they stood there hungry, I stood there whistling
this land was made for you and me
I've roamed and rambled, and I've followed the beer cans
To the toxic cities, from the poisoned farmlands
And all around me, were billboards reading
This land was made for you and me
As I was walking I saw a sign there
And on that sign it said "no trespassin'"
But on the other side it didn't say nothin'
That side was made for you and me
[Notice when Communist sympathizer Guthrie sings:
"As I was walking I saw a sign there
And on that sign it said "no trespassin'"
But on the other side it didn't say nothin'
That side was made for you and me"
He is actually referring to the abolition of Private Property!
Nice stuff huh? Tavish]
---------------End of Songs (There are More)-----------
To see what DSA really endorses as "politics" click on:
http://www.dsausa.org/rl/Docs/Lingo.html
You'll see a picture of Lenin and what DSA calls Socialist Ideologies.
Here is what they call socialist:
俵topian, Communitarian Socialism
柊narchism
匹ommunism, Marxism
百ocial Democracy
彦abianism
ç†arxist-Leninism
謬rotskyism
ç†aoism
百chactmanism I
百chactmanism II
é«uro-Communism
逼ew Left
Remember that DSA did make the claim: "DSA is working with the
Congressional Progressive Caucus, a network of more than 50
progressive members of the US House of Representatives."
Click on http://www.gn.apc.org/socint/dofpeng.html
to see what the world agenda is for these "socialists."
You'll see such gems as:
V. Shaping the Twenty-First Century
Political and Economic Democracy
57. Human rights include economic and social rights; the right to form
trade unions and to strike; the right to social security and welfare
for all, including the protection of mothers and children; the right
to education, training and leisure; the right to decent housing in a
liveable environment, and the right to economic security. Crucially,
there is the right to both full and useful employment in an adequately
rewarded job. Unemployment undermines human dignity, threatens social
stability and wastes the world's most valuable resource.
60. The democratic socialist movement continues to advocate both
socialisation and public property within the framework of a mixed
economy.
69. Recent years have seen a new surge of feminist consciousness, both
within and outside the socialist movement, leading to the emergence of
one of the most important social movements of our time. In part, the
renewal of feminism occurred as the women of the most advanced welfare
States came to realise that, despite the progress made in many fields,
they were still often relegated to subordinate positions in
occupational and political structures.
VI. With the Socialist International Towards a Democratic World
Society
The Unity of International Socialism
92. At a time of rapid internationalisation, the goals of democratic
socialism cannot be attained in just a few countries. The fate of
people living in many different parts of the world is more interlinked
than ever before. The various socialist parties of the world must
therefore work together, both in their individual national interest
and in their common international interest.
A New Democratic Order
97. The international challenge is nothing less than the beginning of
a new, democratic world society. We cannot allow blocs, nations and
private corporations to shape the political structure of the planet as
a mere by-product of their own self-interest.
98. Strengthening the United Nations is an important step in the
creation of this new, democratic world society. Where there is a
consensus among the major nations, significant peace-making and
peace-keeping initiatives are possible. The UN specialised agencies,
like the WHO, and UN organs like UNDP and UNICEF, have demonstrated
that the governments and citizens of various nations can work
effectively together in pursuit of common international goals.
99. It is unrealistic to assume that justice and peace can be
legislated in a world of fundamental inequality where many millions
barely cling to life while a favoured few enjoy a standard beyond the
dreams of most of their fellow human beings. Socialist struggles in
the original capitalist nations made gains in welfare and solidarity,
which in turn made the extension of democracy possible in individual
countries. Likewise the work of abolishing international inequality
will be a crucial step forward on the road to a democratic world
society.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I now only ask the logical question- What is the greater danger to the
Free World- Nazism or Communism/Socialism? Or should I have asked- How
many open Nazis are in the American Congress compared to how many open
Communists/Socialists are in the American Congress?
Wake up America! These people have not one regard for The
Constitution. Their "Constitution" is The Communist Manifesto!
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
Date: 1996/12/30
Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>
Restoration of capitalism in
the former Soviet Union
It has been over a decade since the accession to power of Mikhail
Gorbachev and the turn of the Soviet bureaucracy to the policy of
dismantling the so called "socialist" economy. Five years ago the
collapse of the Soviet Union put an end to the remnants of the
non-capitalist regime which was established by the October Revolution
in 1917. We shall examine the economic, political and social
developments currently taking place in the republics of the former
Soviet Union, trace the historical roots and draw the lessons of
mankind's first attempt to build a socialist society.
Wed, Jan. 8th, 6 -- 7 pm; conditions in Russia today.
Collapse and destruction characterize the former Soviet economy
subjected to the full weight of international capitalist competition.
The bourgeois social regime is taking the countries of the former
Soviet Union back to asiatic barbarism and fascism.
Wed, Jan. 15th, 6 -- 7 pm; 1917 in its historical context.
The Russian Revolution -- the first step of the world socialist
revolution.
Wed, Jan. 22nd, 6 -- 7 pm; the revolution betrayed.
The Soviet Union -- neither capitalist nor socialist, but a
contradictory society in transition.
Wed, Jan. 29th, 6 -- 7 pm; Marxism versus Stalinism.
Was there an alternative to Stalinism? Leon Trotsky's legacy and
Marxism today.
Recommended reading: Leon Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed;
and http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html#ARTICLES
Classes held on Wednesday evenings, 6‹7 pm, room 8-105
Please contact Felix Kreisel f...@mit.edu or at 253-8625 for further
questions.
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Iskra Research -- Historical research and publication of Marxist
classics in the Russian language. 3 books by L. Trotsky published so
far: Predannaia revolutsiia; Permanentnaia revolutsiia; V zaschitu
marksizma.
*** NEW item: Electronic "Russian Marxist Glossary" is on-line. ***
Address: PO Box 397142, Cambridge, MA 02139-7142;
e-mail: f...@mit.edu
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html
~~~~ End of Archival Post at DejaNews~~~~
From the above:
"Collapse and destruction characterize the former Soviet economy
subjected to the full weight of international capitalist competition.
The bourgeois social regime is taking the countries of the former
Soviet Union back to asiatic barbarism and fascism."
Who else but a Marxist would say such? And this is a professor at MIT!
Here is the same MIT professor espousing the Fourth International
(which is Marxist):
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/spartacist.html
The above is ended with the casual farewell which says:
"I wish you success in your Marxist education."
Here is the entire text of the above document which is on the MIT
server today (4/20/98):
Spartacist League versus Trotskyism
Copyright: Iskra Research; By: F. Kreisel; Oct. 27, 1994
{Notice that this document is on the MIT server and that this document
was authored by the same professor- Felix Kreisel. Notice that he
starts his letter with "Dear Comrade" and ends it with: "I wish you
success in your Marxist education." It sounds to me as if MIT is a
Marxist indoctrination center regardless of what Comrade Allan
Matthews heckles and denies. Tavish comment}
Dear comrade,
Thank you for your evaluation of my post about CoC. I fully appreciate
the fact that you are searching for a true Marxist revolutionary
movement. Based on my experience, the Spartacist League is,
unfortunately, not such a movement.
The workers' movement is today suffering from the deadly and false
identification of Marxism with Stalinism. Concepts like "revolutionary
violence", "soviets", "democratic centralism", etc. were thoroughly
compromised and undermined by the betrayals of Stalinism.
A Marxist movement must develop an international revolutionary program
based on the history of past struggles of the working class and on its
own history in the class struggle. It is certainly not enough to shout
RRRRRRevolutionary slogans, swear on a stack of Transitional Programs
or carry icons of Marx and Lenin.
Such a program must be developed as part of the patient education in
the working class; it must be reflected in the propaganda of the party
press. It is through the party newspaper that the movement is talking
to workers in their everyday struggles.
But when one looks through the Workers Vanguard one is immediately
struck by its insanely distorted view of the world. The political
campaigns of SL are a caricature of Trotskyism: e.g. their defence of
the "socialist" porno movie starlet, their applause for the Stalinist
suppression of Polish Solidarity or of the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan, their continuous reference to the Stalinist army as
"Red", etc.
Whenever they refer to strike or labor struggle in the US they
celebrate union militancy as if it were the magical panacea for the
working class. At the same time they neglect to mention the betrayal
conducted daily by the trade union bureaucracy or to discuss the
bankruptcy of a national union militancy in the period of the world
crisis of capitalism and of the multinational corporation. Right now
the SL is conducting a campaign to defend a jailed Black nationalist.
But a few years ago they applauded the middle class subway rider in
New York who became terrified of some black hooligans, pulled out a
gun and shot four of them right on the train.
The Spartacist League is a very subjective middle class outfit. Their
zigzags and wild publicity stunts (dressing in Civil War outfits or
organizing the Yuri Andropov brigade) prevent the workers from
learning anything.
On the theoretical level it must be classed with the Pabloites who
diverged from Trotskyism in the direction of Stalinism. SL does not
distinguish between the revolutionary progressive violence of Trotsky
and Lenin and the counterrevolutionary violence of
Stalin-Brezhnev-Gorbachev. In Russia today, the supporters of SL flirt
with the various nationalist "bolshevik" groups and despite their loud
shouting about fascism are themselves drawn in that direction.
You ought to investigate the history of LaRouche and the National
Caucus of Labor Committees. The Spartacist League resembles them to an
astonishing degree.
I am a supporter of the International Committee of the Fourth
International and its co-thinker in the USA, the Workers League. You
might want to check out the newspaper of the WL, the International
Workers Bulletin and also read David North's book The Heritage We
Defend which is a history of Trotskyism since Trotsky's death.
I wish you success in your Marxist education.
.................................................................
{All of the above including: "I am a supporter of the International
Committee of the Fourth International and its co-thinker in the USA,
the Workers League." comes from a MIT professor and is available from
the MIT server! What other proof is needed! Tavish}
~~~~~ End of Archive~~~~~~
Here is something on this Fourth International:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346804618
Subject: Neo-Stalinism vs. Bolshevism (was Re: Solidarity with
Cuba) [long]
From: Marxist Workers' Group <worker...@earthlink.net>
Date: 1998/04/22
Message-ID: <353E7FF9...@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
[...]
"In supporting the colonial country or the USSR in a war, the
proletariat does not in the slightest degree solidarize either with
the bourgeois government of the colonial country or with the
Thermidorian bureaucracy of the USSR. On the contrary, it maintains
full political independence from the one as from the other. Giving aid
in a just and progressive war, the revolutionary proletariat wins the
sympathy of the workers in the colonies and in the USSR, strengthens
there the authority and influence of the Fourth International, and
increases its ability to help overthrow the bourgeois government in
the colonial country, the reactionary bureaucracy in the USSR." (L.D.
Trotsky, "The Struggle Against Imperialism and War", Transitional
Program, 1938)
[...]
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Here is big mouth Allan Matthews having diarrhea of the mouth just one
more time:
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318544175
Subject: Re: University of Minnesota & Its Communist Party USA
Sympathy
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Date: 1998/01/23
Message-ID: <MPG.f3219231...@news.shore.net>
Once again, "Sieg Heil" Scottie, frothing at the mouth about
"Communists," fails to distinguish between official University of
Minnesota policies and a web page that isn't even on a University
server.
This is exactly the same sort of crap Scottie spewed when he found a
Marxist page on a student web server at MIT and laughably declared it
"proof" that MIT is a Marxist indoctrination facility.
Perhaps "Sieg Heil" Scottie feels a strong need to castigate academic
institutions so as not to feel quite so bad about his being a sixth
grade dropout.
In article <34c792b1...@news.smart1.net>,
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DUPED INTO THINKING COMMUNISM IS DEAD
Given that Communism is an idea, how could it be dead? How do you
kill an idea, Scottie? Of course, given that Scottie has never
actually had any ideas of his own, this misunderstanding on his part
is quite understandable.
>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/index.html
Hmmmm... The title of the thread is " University of Minnesota & Its
Communist Party USA Sympathy," yet this page has nothing
whatsoever to do with the U of M. Looks like Scottie's lying again.
>Here is another college campus condoning and spreading communism:
Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and grounds. A campus
can't condon or spread anything, except maybe crabgrass. Your
pathetic grasp of English once again makes it clear that you certainly
didn't have the mental capacity to get through the 6th grade.
>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/intellec.html
Once again, this URL is on a commerical (oh, the irony...) server, not
on a U. of M. machine. It also doesn't bill itself as an official U.
of M. page or site. How clueless Scottie here therefore infers that
the U. of M. has CPUSA sympathies is not at all clear.
>Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of CPUSA
Except for the inclusion of the U. of M. name in the title of this
page, there is no evidence at all that this page is related to U. of
M. at all.
[Scottie's pointless copying of the contents of the above page
snipped]
Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
allan
--
~~~~~~~~~~ End of Posting~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wake up people, wake up FBI- much unAmerican subversion is taking
place right under your very noses!
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=336153831
" More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >"
Jewish Community Relations Council
http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
Congress."
"Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC
opposes legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek
to weaken the guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive
services."
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Their own words people!Â
~~~~~~~ End of Archive ~~~~~~~~
More about (N)JCRC's political agenda:
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
Society:
Where Judaism and Liberalism Part
by Rabbi Nachum Braverman
Aish HaTorah Los Angeles
It’s often considered axiomatic that Jews are politically liberal.
This impression has some basis in fact. In 1991, the National Jewish
Community Relations Council (NJCRC) identified the public agenda of
the Jewish community as activism on behalf of Israel, and Soviet and
Ethiopian Jewry, as well as "social and economic justice." ...
[ ... ]
Though many Jews are liberal this no more makes liberalism the Jewish
agenda than the prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism
the Jewish agenda.
~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~
Notice the key part just above: ".... the prominence of Jews among
Bolsheviks..." What does this tell you about the little murderous
bastards even though the Rabbi did say: "Though many Jews are liberal
this no more makes liberalism the Jewish agenda than the prominence of
Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism the Jewish agenda."
The Jews were the leaders of the Bolsheviks Rabbi as stated by another
of your brethren:
http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
Haskala Jews splinter into several groups which are fueled by diverse
ideologies. Some form a culture group that is based upon a Jewish
language. Some form a Hebrew Haskala; others form a Yiddish Haskala.
Some make Russian culture and citizenship into an ideal. Others join
the growing number of people who are against social and economic
inequality. They join the struggle to obtain rights for the exploited
labor class, which turns into Socialism. Others will become Secular
Zionists. ^^^^^^^
The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against
traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and
assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau
of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters.....
A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel
their energy into creating a home land of their own.
Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution
of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used
civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Note again that www.jewishamerica.com actually admits: "The Russian
Revolution of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist
government and it will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More on Jewry supporting infanticide:
The Jewish Communication Network
http://www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm
Abortion: On the Line
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088
B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations that
have made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied
around women's right to choose abortion. Here, activists participated
in the March for Women's Lives in Washington, D.C. in 1992.
Where Do Jewish Groups Stand?
By Udi Ofer, Staff Writer
NEW YORK - When it comes to eliminating clinic violence and protecting
abortion providers, the Jewish community seems to show its support. In
fact, most major Jewish organizations have passed resolutions and
position papers demonstrating such support.
"The American Jewish Congress is outraged that under the guise of
allegedly defending life, a religious zealot has taken the lives of
two dedicated Americans," read one statement after a 1994 incident of
clinic violence in Florida.
But while the Jewish community's leadership acknowledges the problem
of escalating clinic violence, it seems to lack action where it is
needed most, by playing passive in a brutal game. Why have Jewish
organizations adopted this policy of talk but no action, some
pro-choice activists wonder.
Jewish supporters of abortion access point to the new wave of
conservatism sweeping the United States as a result of last November's
Republican sweep. This wave is already drowning pro-choice victims,
like Dr. Henry Foster, whose nomination for Surgeon General was
defeated by Republicans in Congress mainly due his pro-choice stance.
Other victims in the political volleyball include women and their
doctors. According to testimony before the 103rd Congress between
April 1 and June 10, 1994, concerning the Freedom of Clinic Access
Bill, the number of death threats against clinics and abortion
providers have increased from eight incidents in 1992 to 78 in 1993.
These include only reported threats, and pro-choice advocates contend
that many violent crimes are unreported.
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http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html
Judaism and Abortion
By Rabbi Raymond A. Zwerin and Rabbi Richard J. Shapiro
The issue of abortion in Jewish life is both complex and
multi-faceted, with roots going back to the Bible. Its complexity is
due, in large measure, to the reluctance of Jewish legal authorities
to establish a single principle by which to determine the morality of
abortion. Within the context of an overriding Jewish concern for the
sanctity of human life, legal authorities have relied largely on
individual cases and derivative legal concepts in determining when an
abortion may take place. Especially during the past century, the
increased diversity of traditions and practices within the Jewish
community has naturally led to a diversity of approaches to the
abortion issue. Nonetheless, out of this complex diversity a clear,
general concept can be adduced from the centuries of Jewish tradition;
and, it is that concept which this article will address.
There are four aspects to the issue of abortion in Jewish tradition:
(1) the legal status of the embryo/fetus,
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html
"The Legal Status of the Embryo/Fetus
According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being
and has no juridical personality of its own. While recognizing the
potentiality of becoming human, Rashi, the great 12th century
commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus "lav
nefesh hu--it is not a person." The Talmud contains the expression
"ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother," i.e., the
fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body.
[...]
Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be
protected as a potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not
a bar kayamah (a viable, living being), thus, it is not accorded any
of the rights or privileges of a human being."
[excerpt]
(2) the time of ensoulment;
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html
"The Time of Ensoulment
While the status of a fetus is of interest with regard to the ultimate
question of the morality of abortion, so, too, is the issue of
ensoulment. Namely, at what moment does the soul enter the body? In
Jewish legal tradition, there are several theories. The most famous
text in this regard is from the Talmud and concerns a somewhat strange
dialogue between the Roman Emperor Antoninus and Rabbi Judah the
Patriarch, the compiler of the Mishna.[*]
Antoninus asked Rabbi Judah: 'From when is the neshamah (soul) endowed
in man: from the time of birth, or from the moment of intercourse?'
Rabbi Judah answered. `From the time of birth.' The Emperor then
asked. `Can meat remain three days without salt and not putrify?'"
[...]
The Rabbis were saying, in effect, that the moment of ensoulment is
unclear at best, and subject to a great deal of speculation and
disagreement. They state, therefore, that is one of the "secrets of
God" that will be revealed only when the Messiah comes. As a result,
the issue of ensoulment plays virtually no role in Jewish
considerations of the morality of abortion."
[excerpt]
(3) conditions under which a therapeutic abortion may take place; and
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html
"Conditions for Therapeutic Abortions
The issue of therapeutic abortion itself is first dealt with in a
second century Jewish legal text quoted in the Mishna.
If a woman is in hard labor (that threatens her life), one dismembers
the fetus within her and removes it limb by limb, because her life
takes precedence over its life. Once the greater part of it emerges it
may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another.
In commenting on this passage, later authorities further define the
phrase "the greater part of it." During a normal delivery, this refers
to the emergence of the forehead, while during a breach birth, this
means more than half the body.
There are two principles employed here to arrive at the conclusion
that the abortion is justified. The first and foremost of the two is
that the fetus remains only a potential human life until its emergence
from the birth canal. One must, therefore, sacrifice the potential
life in order to save a fully existent human life, i.e., the pregnant
woman in labor.
The second principle deals with the concept of self-defense. In Jewish
law, one is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent of taking
the attacker's life should one's own life be in jeopardy. This point
was brought into the discussion on abortion when some authorities in
the Talmud challenged the prohibition stated above, of the taking of
the life of the now fully human child in order to save the life of its
mother. It was argued that the principle of the aggressor ought to
apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with intent to kill one
should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the fetus whose greater
portion had already emerged.
This argument was rejected, however, in favor of a position that the
mother is being pursued "from Heaven;" i.e., that the difficulties she
is encountering are an act of God, and that it is impossible to know,
in reality, who is pursuing whom. The principle of pursuer and
self-defense, therefore, cannot be applied in the case of the child in
the process of being born and need not be applied prior to birth since
in that case the pursuer is not a person.
Nonetheless, in the legal code of Maimonides, the great Jewish sage of
the 13th century, the argument of the pursuer was used once again. In
commenting on the passage from the Mishna quoted above, and in stating
the rules governing abortion in his code, Maimonides utilizes the
pursuer justification, using the example of a boat about to sink from
its load. In order to lighten the load, a passenger without baggage
steps forward and proceeds to throw overboard the baggage and a mule
belonging to the others. Maimonides states that that person is not
liable for restitution to the owners, for the baggage and the mule are
pursuers, "seeking" to kill them all."
[excerpt]
(4) conditions under which a non-therapeutic abortion may take place.
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html
"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions
The guidelines for deciding cases of accidental and therapeutic
abortion, then, are reasonably clear-cut, even though there is some
disagreement concerning the proper justification. Such cannot be said
once one turns to the topic of a non-therapeutic abortion. Here the
relevant literature is the Responsa--questions written to and
responses written by rabbinic authorities from the 10th century to
today. It is also here that a divergence in opinion begins to emerge.
Such divergence is due initially to differing understandings of
Maimonides' use of the pursuer argument, cited above. Later, in the
19th and 20th centuries, it becomes part and parcel of the diversity
within Judaism itself as liberal streams of Jewish tradition and
observance emerge. There are many relevant Responsa concerning
abortion, several of which follow. In all of them, the principles are
those described above. Note, however, how different understandings of
these principles lead to different conclusions.
The first case concerns a child who is nursing and cannot survive
without his mother's milk, being allergic to all other forms of
nutrition. The mother, however, having become pregnant once again,
sees that her milk has now ceased flowing. Here, where the issue is
saving the life of a third party, as opposed to the pregnant woman
herself, two different authorities mandate the performance of an
abortion to save the life of the existing child.
Other cases emerge today as a result of a better understanding of
mental health issues. The question is whether or not suicidal
tendencies in a pregnant woman (tendencies that might, as a result of
the pregnancy itself, impel the woman to take her own life), justify
the performance of an abortion. In this case, even the most stringent
of authorities permit an abortion to save the life of the pregnant
woman.
In past centuries, many other circumstances have come before
rabbinical authorities, as well. One case involved a woman whose
pregnancy would leave her permanently deaf, and while some authorities
rejected this as sufficient grounds for an abortion, no less an
authority than a Chief Rabbi of Israel granted her permission.
In cases involving adultery, there is also a division of opinion. Some
invoke the principle of "let the fruit of the act bear witness to the
deed lest adultery flourish in the land." Others maintain that we must
do everything possible to save the pregnant woman from great mental
pain and anguish, shame being the greatest mental pain. And in several
cases involving rape, this latter principle seems to dominate, with
many authorities granting permission to take the steps necessary to
ensure that a pregnancy will not result
Yet, in the light of these cases, might one assume that abortion is
justifiable under any and all circumstances? The answer, according to
Jewish law, is clearly "no." The majority of Jewish legal sources
indicate that abortion is permissible at any stage of the pregnancy if
the well-being of the pregnant woman is jeopardized, while it is
clearly not permissible if the well-being of the future child is the
issue. This distinction can best be illustrated by the following
example.
Due to modem medical technology a pregnant woman can now be certain,
long before the birth of her child, whether it will be born defective
due to rubella or the taking of Thalidomide during pregnancy, or due
to genetic factors such as Tay-Sachs disease, or due to systematically
transmitted diseases such as AIDS, etc. In all of these cases,
abortion is not permitted out of fear or concern over what the child
might have to endure during its life. Its lot in life is not to be
determined nor judged by humanity. Its quality of life is one of the
"secrets of God," and is not open to human judgment. However, some
rabbinical authorities maintain that if the pregnant woman expresses
anguish about her own mental, emotional, or psychological well-being
resulting from an impending birth, then her pain may warrant an
abortion. Other rabbinical authorities would not permit an abortion on
such grounds.
In cases of non-therapeutic abortion, then, the major consideration is
"the pain of the mother." It is out of consideration for the woman
involved, and not the fate or condition of the fetus, which becomes
the determining factor in prohibiting or permitting an abortion. And
it is precisely on this issue that diversity of opinion is now the
greatest. Not only is the diversity seen between the various movements
in Judaism today, but even within each movement itself. In addition to
traditional Jewish mores and standards, each movement has its own
criteria for determining the permissibility of abortion under other
than therapeutic circumstances."
[quoted in full]
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Here is the daughter organization of B'nai B'rith on abortion:
To see who agrees with the Jewish perspective just click:
" ADL's Abe Foxman's Hypocrisy On Genocide"
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088
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http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296164002
http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325439799
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
INTERNATIONAL BOLSHEVIK TENDENCY
WHO WE ARE:
http://www.bolshevik.org/what_is.html
(excerpt)
The International Bolshevik Tendency (IBT) is a revolutionary
socialist organization founded by former cadres of the international
Spartacist tendency (today the International Communist League). The
following text is excerpted from the document "For Trotskyism!,"
published in 1917 (No. 3, Spring 1987):
Trotskyism is the revolutionary Marxism of our time--the political
theory derived from the distilled experience of over a
century-and-a-half of working-class communism. It was verified in a
positive sense in the October Revolution in 1917, the greatest event
in modern history, and generally negatively since. After the
bureaucratic strangulation of the Bolshevik Party and the Comintern by
the Stalinists, the tradition of Leninism--the practice and program of
the Russian Revolution--was carried forward by the Left Opposition and
by it alone.
[ ... ]
The Trotskyist movement was born in a struggle for revolutionary
internationalism against the reactionary/utopian conception of
"Socialism in One Country." The necessity of revolutionary
organization on an international basis derives from the organization
of capitalist production itself. Revolutionists on each national
terrain must be guided by a strategy which is international in
dimension--and that can only be elaborated by the construction of an
international working-class leadership. To the patriotism of the
bourgeoisie and its social-democratic and Stalinist lackeys, the
Trotskyists counterpose Karl Liebnecht's immortal slogan: "The Main
Enemy is At Home!" We stand on the basic programmatic positions
adopted by the 1938 founding conference of the Fourth International,
as well as the first four congresses of the Communist International
and the revolutionary tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin,
Luxemburg and Trotsky.
[ ... ]
We urgently seek to participate in a process of international
regroupment of revolutionary cadres on the basis of the program of
authentic Trotskyism, as a step toward the long overdue rebirth of the
Fourth International, World Party of Socialist Revolution.
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Look where their American Branch is!
New York
Box 385,
Cooper Station
New York, NY
10276 USA
(212) 533-9869
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Spartacist League versus Trotskyism
Dear comrade,
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To see who the official poster boy
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
The Leaders on the Assault on Tobacco:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c104:4:./temp/~c1040fOh::
Tobacco Medicaid Recovery Act of 1996 (Introduced in the Senate)
S 1892 IS - 104th CONGRESS 2d Session
To reward States for collecting medicaid funds expended on
tobacco-related illnesses, and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
June 19, 1996
Jew Frank LAUTENBERG (for himself and Jew Paul WELLSTONE) introduced
the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee
on Finance
A BILL
To reward States for collecting medicaid funds expended on
tobacco-related illnesses, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Tobacco Medicaid Recovery Act of 1996'.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.
(a) FINDINGS- The Congress finds the following:
(1) Federal taxpayers pay for approximately $20,000,000,000 each year
in Federal health expenditures to treat tobacco-related illnesses,
including expenditures incurred under the medicare and medicaid
programs operated under titles XVIII and XIX of the Social Security
Act, health care programs carried out by the Secretary of Veterans
Affairs under chapter 17 of title 38, United States Code, and other
Federal health care programs. These expenditures often contribute to
an increase in the Federal budget deficit.
(2) According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
tobacco-related illnesses cost the medicaid program under title XIX of
the Social Security Act $5,100,000,000 each year.
(3) The efforts of several States that are attempting under Federal
law, including in some cases, under the Federal anti-racketeering
statutes, or under State law, to recover the health care costs
incurred under the medicaid program for the treatment of individuals
with diseases attributable to the use of tobacco products from the
manufacturers of such products, are to be commended.
(b) PURPOSE- The purpose of this Act is to reward States that
successfully recover the Federal and State health care costs incurred
under the medicaid program for the treatment of individuals with
diseases attributable to the use of tobacco products by providing
increased funding for their medicaid programs and to provide increased
resources to the National Institutes of Health.
[ ... ]
[So the die is cast and now you can see the motivation the States have
had to wage individual lawsuits against tobacco companies.
Two other notorious Jews have been attackers of tobacco and they are
Jews Henry Waxman (whom you've seen on the news doing such) and Ron
Wyden. Tavish comment]
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Proof of who are Jews in Congress is available at:
B'nai B'rith's "Jewish" members of the 105th Congress
http://bnaibrith.org/pan/105congress2.html
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More Jewish Congressional Attacks on tobacco:
HR 4245 IH
104th CONGRESS 2d Session
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c104:8:./temp/~c104ldG1::
To restrict the access of youth to tobacco products, and for other
purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 27, 1996
Jew FOX of Pennsylvania introduced the following bill; which was
referred to the Committee on Commerce
A BILL
To restrict the access of youth to tobacco products, and for other
purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Tobacco Youth Access Act'.
SEC. 2. ACCESS.
(a) VENDING MACHINES- Vending machines may be used to sell tobacco
products only in an area or establishment from which individuals under
the minimum age prescribed by subsection (b) are denied access.
[ ... ]
Jew Jon Fox also introduced HR 3954 IH
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c104:9:./temp/~c104ldG1::
{These Jews don't introduce similar legislation for alcoholic
products! Tavish comment}
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Secret Tobacco Giveaway Repeal Act (Introduced in the House)
HR 2387 IH
Jews Mrs. LOWEY (for herself, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. NADLER, Mr. FRANK of
Massachusetts, and Mr. ACKERMAN (plus some Gentiles but a Jew authored
it!)) introduced the following bill:
To repeal the provision crediting increased excise taxes on certain
tobacco products against payments made pursuant to the tobacco
industry settlement legislation.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Secret Tobacco Giveaway Repeal Act'.
SEC. 2. REPEAL OF TOBACCO INDUSTRY SETTLEMENT CREDIT.
[ ... ]
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Tobacco Accountability Act (Introduced in the House)
HR 1881 IH 105th CONGRESS 1st Session
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:5:./temp/~c105b74m::
To establish the Tobacco Accountability Board.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 12, 1997
Jew WAXMAN introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on Commerce
A BILL
To establish the Tobacco Accountability Board.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Tobacco Accountability Act'.
SEC. 2. TOBACCO ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT- There is established an independent board to be
known as the Tobacco Accountability Board.
(b) MEMBERSHIP- The Board shall consist of 5 members with expertise
relating to tobacco and public health. The members, including the
chair, shall be appointed by the Secretary of Health and Human
Services. The initial members of the Board shall be appointed by the
Secretary within 30 days of the date of the enactment of this Act. A
member of the Board may be removed by the Secretary only for neglect
of duty or malfeasance in office.
(c) TERMS- The term of office of a member of the Board shall be 6
years, except that the members first appointed shall have terms of 2,
3, 4, and 5 years, respectively, as determined by the Secretary.
SEC. 3. DISCLOSURE OF TOBACCO INDUSTRY DOCUMENTS.
(a) SUBMISSION BY MANUFACTURERS- Not later than 3 months after the
date of the enactment of this Act and thereafter as required by the
Board, each tobacco manufacturer shall submit to the Board a copy of
all documents in the manufacturer's possession--
(1) relating to--
(A) any health effects, including addiction, caused by the use of
tobacco products;
[ ... ]
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NO Tobacco for Kids Act (Introduced in the House)
HR 1772 IH
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:6:./temp/~c105b74m::
105th CONGRESS 1st Session
To provide for the reduction in the number of children who use tobacco
products, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 3, 1997
Jew WAXMAN (for himself, Mr. HANSEN, and Mr. MEEHAN) introduced the
following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Commerce
[ .... ]
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Smoke-Free Environment Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
HR 1771 IH
105th CONGRESS 1st Session
To amend the Public Health Service Act to protect the public from
health hazards caused by exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, and
for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 3, 1997
Jew WAXMAN (for himself, Mr. HANSEN, and Mr. MEEHAN) introduced the
following bill..........
[ ... ]
`SEC. 2701. SMOKE-FREE ENVIRONMENT POLICY.
`(a) POLICY REQUIRED- In order to protect children and adults from
cancer, respiratory disease, heart disease, and other adverse health
effects from breathing environmental tobacco smoke, the responsible
entity for each public facility shall adopt and implement at such
facility a smoke-free environment policy which meets the requirements
of subsection (b).
`(b) ELEMENTS OF POLICY- Each smoke-free environment policy for a
public facility shall--
`(1) prohibit the smoking of cigarettes, cigars, and pipes, and any
other combustion of tobacco, within the facility and on facility
property within the immediate vicinity of the entrance to the
facility; and
`(2) post a clear and prominent notice of the smoking prohibition in
appropriate and visible locations at the public facility.
[ ... ]
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Worldwide Tobacco Disclosure Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:2:./temp/~c105YOVI::
S 1060 IS
105th CONGRESS 1st Session
To restrict the activities of the United States with respect to
foreign laws that regulate the marketing of tobacco products and to
subject cigarettes that are exported to the same restrictions on
labeling as apply to the sale or distribution of cigarettes in the
United States.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
July 23, 1997
Jew LAUTENBERG (for himself, Jew WYDEN, Mr. DURBIN, and Mr. HARKIN)
introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to
the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
A BILL
To restrict the activities of the United States with respect to
foreign laws that regulate the marketing of tobacco products and to
subject cigarettes that are exported to the same restrictions on
labeling as apply to the sale or distribution of cigarettes in the
United States.
[ ... ]
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Smoke-Free Environment Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:50:./temp/~c105YOVI::
S 826 IS
105th CONGRESS 1st Session
To amend the Public Health Service Act to protect the public from
health hazards caused by exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, and
for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
June 3, 1997
Jew LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mr. DURBIN, and Mr. KERRY of
Massachusetts) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and
referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Other Jewish assaults on tobacco:
.....................................................
http://www.cdinet.com/RAC/news/smoke.html
Statement of Mark J. Pelavin, Associate Director, Religious Action
Center of Reform Judaism, on President Clinton's Executive Order
Aimed at Curbing Underage Smoking
August 23, 1996
In signing an Executive Order defining nicotine as a drug and nicotine
products as drug-delivery devices, the president has today affirmed
that which the Reform Jewish Movement has long been committed to --
the health and well-being of our children. By forging ahead with
regulations which will limit access of minors to cigarettes and
smokeless tobacco, and reduce the appeal of tobacco by restricting
advertising and promotion, President Clinton is standing up for
America's youth by making this historic direct assault on the tobacco
industry.
[ ... ]
The Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism is the Washington office
of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations and the Central
Conference of American Rabbis, representing 1.5 million Reform Jews
and 1,700 Reform rabbis in 850 congregations throughout North America.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.shamash.org/jb/bk950922/letters.htm
In bed with `killers'
Gary Rosenblatt's Sept. 1 commentary raises a serious dilemma facing
our community: How, as Jews, do we reconcile our business dealings
with our religious teachings?
Rosenblatt states we can no longer turn a blind eye to well-known
Jewish philanthropists whose business practices conflict with our
moral traditions.
The facts about tobacco are clear: 97 percent of smokers start before
their 21st birthday; 50 million American adults are hooked; and
approximately 400,000 deaths per year are attributed to smoking -- at
a cost of $50 billion in direct medical expenditures ($22 billion from
the public trough).
It is time to take a moral inventory of the businesses that benefit
from the sale of tobacco: Upwards of 2,000 law firms are kept on
retainer by the tobacco industry; marketing and advertising firms
promote this addictive substance -- often to children; and
strategically selected arts and public interest groups willingly
accept tobacco money.
Every one of these organizations must be held accountable.
If, as Jews, we are committed to following the laws of the Torah, we
must wean ourselves of the insidious habit of doing business with the
largest killers in the industrialized world.
BRUCE GOLDBERG, M.D.
Oakland
[Actually Mr. Goldberg, abortion kills more children each year rather
than smoking. Also consider how many young teenagers die each year in
auto accidents due to under age drinking. We don't we hear your
"tribe" condemn abortion or the liquor business? It was Jews Charles
Schumer and Dianne Feinstein that crafted the latest pro-abortion
bills called F.A.C.E. (in the U.S. Congress) which has been used to
attack Operation Rescue. If you want to express moral outrage then
attack an industry that your "tribe" has a major hand in- the liquor,
distillery, and wine spirits industry. Speak out against abortion
which violates the foundations of the Hippocratic Oath that you
took! Tavish comment.]
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http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/970815/smoke.shtml
Where there's smoke ...
Disagreement clouds philanthropic, religious stands on use of tobacco
DEBRA NUSSBAUM COHEN
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
The Jewish community's views on tobacco are less clear than the lungs
of children before they take their first, secret puff of a cigarette.
While Jewish institutions have almost universally banned smoking on
their premises, there are two arenas in which Jewish policy is at
times clouded by dissent: philanthropy and Jewish law.
Several recent, highly publicized developments have put the tobacco
issue on the international agenda. In June, American public health
advocates and government agencies reached a proposed $360 billion
settlement with tobacco companies, which agreed to unprecedented
restrictions on the marketing and sale of cigarettes in exchange for
sharp limits on their liability in lawsuits. The agreement, which has
its share of critics, still needs approval from government officials,
including Congress.
In Israel, the Health Ministry announced plans to file a $7.9 billion
lawsuit in Israeli court against local and foreign tobacco
manufacturers. The Israeli announcement also came after Israel's
Sephardic chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef, reiterated his view that smoking
transgresses Jewish law - a view shared by many, but not all, Orthodox
Jews.
[ ... ]
Judaism's Reform and Conservative movements cite biblical and rabbinic
injunctions against injuring oneself and others - through second-hand
smoke - to back their positions deeming smoking contrary to Jewish
law. "Smoking so manifestly contradicts the commandment to guard your
life that it's a sin," Leonard Fein, head of the Reform movement's
Commission on Social Action, said in a voice roughened by decades of
inhaling cigarette smoke. "That makes me a sinner," he admitted,
adding that quitting for good is "very actively on my agenda now."
Patterns of smoking in the Jewish community have not been formally
studied, as they have among African-Americans and other ethnic
minorities. Rates are closely linked to educational achievement. Since
Jews are among the most highly educated of American populations, there
would presumably be a low level of tobacco addiction, said sources at
Jewish organizations and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now that you all have had a sample of the Jewish politics behind
tobacco compare the above to the liquor interests below and you will
get an idea of why the alcoholic beverage industry is not under
attack.
====================================================
Edgar Bronfman Jr. info:
Mother Jones 400
http://www.motherjones.com/coinop_congress/96mojo_400/bios/49.html
Bronfman is CEO of alcohol distributor Seagram. He engineered the
company's huge recent investments in MCA and Time Warner, and a
distribution deal with the Geffen, Spielberg, and Katzenberg outfit,
DreamWorks SKG. The GOP-proposed telecommunications bill could
safeguard Seagram's recent media ventures from federal probing. But
the Bronfman family is traditionally Democratic and pro-Israel.
Geffen:
http://www.motherjones.com/coinop_congress/96mojo_400/bios/13.html
Spielberg:
http://www.motherjones.com/coinop_congress/96mojo_400/bios/19.html
Katzenberg:
http://www.motherjones.com/coinop_congress/96mojo_400/bios/51.html
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Edgar Bronfman Sr. Info:
http://www.forbes.com/Richlist/2168.htm
Edgar Miles Bronfman
$2.7 billion
The Seagram Co. Ltd. New York City. 67
Married (4 marriages, 3 wives); 7 children
With spirits market shrinking, Seagram expands into beer; ends
industry-imposed moratorium on television liquor advertising. Father
Sam refugee from czarist Russia to Canada 1889. Formed Distillers
Corp., Montreal 1924. Acquired Joseph E. Seagram & Sons of Waterloo,
Ont. Prospered along U.S. border during Prohibition; continued success
after repeal. Holdings split among 4 children when Sam died 1971.
Edgar M. (sole U.S. citizen among siblings) got U.S. branch, and
brother, Charles R., Canadian post. Edgar established international
distribution network for Seagram. Current chairman. Acquired Tropicana
Products 1988, Dole worldwide juice business 1995. Son Edgar Jr., 41,
current chief executive, steered investments toward entertainment: 80%
MCA from Matsushita 1995 for $5.7 billion; 50% Interscope Records from
Ted Field (see) 1996. Also 15% Time Warner. Plans to open new
Universal theme parks in Florida and Osaka, Japan. Distribution
agreement with DreamWorks SKG. Older brother Sam, 42, president
Seagram Classics Wine Co. Younger brother Matthew, 37, cofounded
Perfumes Isabell. Edgar M. president World Jewish Congress. Member
since 1983.
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Jews and Distilled spirits (an article):
http://bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html
Vineyard Vanguard:
The new taste of a well-aged tradition
By Joseph Berkofsky
[ ... ]
Like all other kosher food or drink, kosher wine cannot contain any
unkosher animal or fish products; to be kosher for Passover, it must
also not come in contact with any leavened grains.
But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
cannot be handled by non-Jews.
^^^^^^^
The roots of this law reach back to the ancient Land of Israel where,
to prevent Jews from drinking wines used in idol worship, Jewish law
forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in an open vessel by
non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave offering. The rabbis
later went further in battling assimilation, declaring any wine
handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink. ^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Today, in order to ensure that a wine meets all the kashrut
requirements, the entire winemaking process from grape-crushing to
bottling is overseen by trained, Sabbath-observant Jews, or
mashgichim, who handle all flow of the wine. And, as Ben Welton, a
mashgiach for St. Supéry and others, can attest, this kind of kosher
supervision can mean as much toil as Torah.
[Notice: "Jewish law forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in
an open vessel by non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave
offering. The rabbis later went further in battling assimilation,
declaring any wine handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink." This would
explain also why Jews are heavily engaged in the spirits
trade! Tavish comment.]
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A possible reason how Edgar Bronfman got so rich:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/amex/crime/ra/purple.html
Expert Witnesses
Dr. Sidney Fine on gangsters and rumrunners
Prohibition was a breeder of organized crime in Detroit. It starts out
rather small outfits, not on a very large scale, and Detroit never got
to the scale of Al Capone, and the Capone gang for example. But there
was a series of gangs, East Side gangs and West Side gangs, and the
like, the most notorious was the Purple Gang, which had been involved
in things like extortion and shoplifting before operated a contract
system so you hire a Purple gang member to do this job or that job.
Robbery, something illegal certainly, for hire system, contracting
system, but then did become involved in the distribution of liquor,
illegally. In fact, for part of the 1920s, at least the Purple Gang
supplied Capone with his liquor. They supplied, it was brought in from
Canada, props by the little Jewish navy, were perhaps a Canadian
outfit, and handled by the Purple Gang and transported into Chicago.
So there is a tie between the Purple Gang and what was going on in
Chicago which gets in the literature about more attention it was a
more organized system, city divided up rather properly , what we would
call a market pool if we were dealing with corporations in some other
line of business.
(Jews were the suppliers during Prohibition! How is that? This is from
WGBH on PBS! Tavish comment]
What did Henry Ford Sr. observe about Jews during the 20s?
From The International Jew
http://www.flinet.com/~politics/antisemi/ij_ch12.html
Chapter 12.
LIQUOR, GAMBLING, VICE AND CORRUPTION
[ ... ]
JEWS AND THE BOOTLEGGING EVIL
The claim made for the Jews that they are a sober race may be true,
but that has not obscured two facts concerning them; namely, that they
usually constitute the liquor dealers of countries where they live in
numbers, and that in the United States they were the only race
exempted from the operations of the Prohibition Law. In general, the
Jews are on the side of liquor and always have been. They are the
steadiest drinkers of all.
  That is why they were able to secure exemption from the Prohibition
Laws; their religious ceremonies require them to drink an amount which
the law considered equal to 10 gallons a year. So the Prohibition Law
of the United States-which was a part of the Constitution of the
United States-was made legally ineffective to the extent of 10 gallons
a year to a Jew. Racial privilege? No, the Jews did not raise that
scare then, during the profitable Prohibition era. They knew it was
easy to get 100 gallons through a 10 gallon loophole. In fact,
millions of gallons of bootleg liquor came through that 10 gallon
loophole.
  It came as a surprise to the American people that the liquor
business of the world had been in the hands of the Jews. In the United
States the liquor business was almost exclusively in the hands of Jews
for 25 years prior to Prohibition; during the period, in fact, when
the liquor trade was giving point and confirmation to the more extreme
Prohibition arguments!
  In the volume, "The Conquering Jew," published by Funk & Wagnalls
Company in 1916, John Foster Fraser writes:
  "The Jews are masters of the whisky trade in the United States.
Eighty per cent of the members of the National Liquor Dealers'
Association are Jews. It has been shown that sixty per cent of the
business of distilling and wholesale trade in whisky is in the hands
of Jews. As middle men they control the wine product of California.
Jews visit the tobacco-growing States and buy up nearly all the leaf
tobacco, so that the great tobacco companies have to buy the raw
product from them. The Jews have a grip on the cigar trade."
  It was also true of Europe, especially in Russia, Rumania and
Poland. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that
"The establishment of the government liquor monopoly (in Russia in
1896) deprived thousands of Jewish families of a livelihood."
  They controlled the liquor traffic, the vodka business which
undermined Russia. In Rumania the whole "Jewish Question" was the
liquor question. In Poland the same was true. In the United States
whisky also became Jewish in the 19th century.
HOW THE JEWISH LIQUOR TRUST WORKED
  An alcoholic spirit from grain may be made in any climate and by
many methods. Neutral spirits, high wines and alcohol, are not
indigenous anywhere. They can be made in any back room or cellar, in a
very little time. Little care is required. A concoction of drugs and
spirits, colored and flavored, fraudulently labeled "whisky" and
passed over the bar, is a crime against distilling, against the human
nervous system, and against society. As far back as 1904, Dr. Wiley,
then chief of the United States Bureau of Chemistry, had a great deal
to say about this. Few paid any attention to him because he did not
point out that the evil he was attacking was fostered by a single
class of men bent on gain at the cost of ruin to an American industry
and to countless thousands of American citizens. The public supposed
that Dr. Wiley was discussing a technical matter which interested
American distillers only. It might have vastly interested the American
citizens if anyone had but had the clear vision and the courage to
expose the great Jewish whisky conspiracy.
OLD NAMES BOUGHT UP
  The Jewish character of the whisky business since as far back as the
Civil War may be visualized by the simple expedient of noting how many
of the better known brands have at various dates come under Jewish
control. It is an alarming list. Any citizen in any city of any size
will have no trouble in confirming the statement that most of the
rectifiers and wholesalers and brokers in the whisky trade of his city
were, and still are, Jews. It is not only the fact that the liquor
business is controlled by Jews that assumes importance, but it is in
the additional fact that there was spread over America the machinery
of a vicious system which while it was destined to ruin the liquor
business, also ruined hundreds of thousands of citizens who trusted
that "pure and unadulterated" meant what the words were intended to
convey. Of course the stuff was "pure and unadulterated." So is
carbolic acid-but it is not whisky.
  Prohibition came sweeping the saloon away, but not depriving the
Jewish compounder of his profits. Prohibition was swept away but the
booze rackets remained.
For more on Jewry's involvement in gangland activities and to see who
the real "Godfather" was then explore these links:
http://mostnewyork.com/most/manual/news/mafia/lepke.htm
http://www.lukeford.com/index1.html
http://spinoza.tau.ac.il/hci/vip/Rockaway-Robert-A.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There you have it folks! Make of it what you want but can you explain
any other reason why tobacco is always under assault and not liquor?
Ugly but all true and documented! All of the major assaults and the
advocacy of states suing tobacco companies have been primarily
orchestrated by Jews in Congress. Check the bills yourselves and then
ask why would these people be so anti-tobacco ( a very large
business). If you can accept the truth of what follows then you will
know why large corporations are under attack. They want to do away
with capitalism and push their socialism. What follows is from a
Jewish professor at Yeshiva Institute in New York:
Lucy S. Dawidowicz
THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945 by Bantam Books Incorporated
(#13084-6, 1979 ed).
Page 356 states: "In early 1942 the Polska Partia Robotnicza [PPR],
the Communist party in a new guise made its appearance in the
Generalgouvernement... The PPR is mentioned again on page 431
where we read: "The Soviet Union, for example, began in 1943 to back
only such indigenous Communist resistance movements in the several
East European countries as would provide it with postwar political
footholds there.
... The Soviet Union, for its part, through the PPR supported the
People's Army with funds and materiel, on the calculation that it
would establish the Communist presence in postwar
Poland."
For further proof of Jewry's communistic ties turn to page 434
[bottom] and read the socialist and communist links : "The
[Jewish Labor] Bundists were cut off from contact with Polish
Socialists; the Jewish Communists were isolated from their parent
PPR." [The PPR is mentioned above.]
[Here is what many Poles obviously knew and this would explain why
they had pogroms against Jews! J.W.B.]
Page 360 "Early in 1941 the Bund's Central Committee in the Warsaw
ghetto sent a report to its New York organization, describing its
functions as it then perceived them... [Socialists have a New
York operation!] the Bund's Central Committee adopted a policy
statement setting forth their political hopes and expectations:
Poland is our homeland, where we are entitled to equal
citizenship rights, where our future lies. . . . Any other
Solutions offered, under present conditions, by Zionist
or other Jewish groups, are wrong and utopian, as they
always were. Together with the Polish working masses
struggling underground, the Jewish people of Poland
see no other means of survival, but the defeat of Hitler-
ism and the reconstruction of a free, independent, and
Socialist Poland."
[Jews wanted a Socialist Poland and they got it after WW II.
Below is Palestine being claimed as a Socialist homeland as well!]
Page 361-2 "On May 1, 1941, Dror issued a proclamation
that avowed once more the movement's dual loyalty to
Palestine and socialism and which held out the hope of
the inevitable realization of a socialist Palestine:
The struggle with the Hitlerite conqueror has tem-
porarily separated us from Eretz Israel, but just as there
is no power in the world that can separate us from the
struggle for a socialist world, thus nothing can separate
us from the land of our ultimate hope. The building of
Eretz Israel is undeniably connected with the collapse
of capitalism; a socialist Eretz Israel will rise or fall
with the success or failure of socialism."
[For the Jews to succeed capitalism needs to collapse! Read
this over and over many times to let it sink in!]
Page 362 " At the end of December 1943, a representative
of the Left Labor Zionists, taking part in a clandestine
meeting of the underground Polish Communist front,
Krajowa Rada Narodowa [People's Home Council]
spoke of victory with the political certitude of her party:
In the struggle for a new world of labor and of social
justice, we are not isolated. The working masses of the
whole world, with the heroic Red Army in the van-
guard, are with us. Our struggle is their struggle; their
victory shall be our victory. There can be no return to
the past, no turning back to the past reactionary and
fascist governments. The working masses, the in-
vincible forces of progress and true democracy will
prevail in this historic struggle.
Maintaining the traditions of the movement became
a conspiratorial activity, yet served to uphold morale.
May Day 1940 in Lodz fell on the day the Jews were
enclosed within the ghetto. That day Bundist activists
visited as many members as they could locate,
reminding them of May Day, distributing little red-
ribbon boutonnieres, and passing the word: "Hold
on and hold out." In January 1942 Dror proclaimed a
fundraising campaign in the Warsaw ghetto on behalf
of the Jewish National Fund... "
[Page 356 says of Dror: "The socialist Zionist youth
movements included Dror, associated with Labor
Zionists; Hashomer Hatzair, whose pro-Sovietism
brought it ideologically close to the Left Labor Zionists.."
~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~
For further reading open or click these links:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=344762668
Subject: Israel's Socialist Roots Reviewed in Book Available from
Amazon.Com
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346045818
Subject: Bronfman Center for Jewish Student Life at NYU
Presents... - ..
The above two postings archived at DejaNews are stellar in what they
cover and they are filled with irrefutable evidence at who is
undermining our free society. The above are shall I say: "MUST READS."
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326760575.3
Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 19 1998
From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
Date: 1998/02/19
Message-ID: <9b791978&1998021923...@abbie.blythe.org>
[...]
CONFERENCE ON 150th ANNIVERSARY OF COMMUNIST
MANIFESTO IN HAVANA
Havana, February 19(RHC)-- Richard Levins, a professor at
Harvard University in the U.S., said in Havana that "there
are universal themes, such as the capitalist phenomenon,
that cannot be studied without appealing to historical
materialism."
Addressing participants at the International Conference on
Social Emancipation -- 150 Years After the Communist
Manifesto, Levins discussed the current contradictions in
capitalism.
Among topics debated at this encounter -- marking the 150th
anniversary of the work of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels --
are contemporary issues granting validity to the Communist
Manifesto, as well as its current impact on the Third World.
~~~~~~ END~~~~~
Hasn't Muscovite Allan Matthews taunted me before?
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318544175
Subject: Re: University of Minnesota & Its Communist Party USA
Sympathy
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Date: 1998/01/23
Message-ID: <MPG.f3219231...@news.shore.net>
[...]
Perhaps "Sieg Heil" Scottie feels a strong need to castigate academic
institutions so as not to feel quite so bad about his being a sixth
grade dropout.
In article <34c792b1...@news.smart1.net>,
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DUPED INTO
>THINKING COMMUNISM IS DEAD
Given that Communism is an idea, how could it be dead? How do you
kill an idea, Scottie? Of course, given that Scottie has never
actually had any ideas of his own, this misunderstanding on his part
is quite understandable.
[...]
>Here is another college campus condoning and spreading communism:
Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and grounds. A campus
can't condon or spread anything, except maybe crabgrass. Your
pathetic grasp of English once again makes it clear that you certainly
didn't have the mental capacity to get through the 6th grade.
[...]
Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
allan
~~~~ End of personal attack from Marxist apologist~~~~
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=297081576.1
Subject: Re: REAGAN was Right - REAGAN Saw True
From: yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
Date: 1997/12/11
Message-ID: <66ndbm$r...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
In <66n31s$n...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> yas...@ix.netcom.com
Mary E Knadler) writes:
If so, it is reasonable that these experts would have foreseen the
inevitable collapse. What did they have to say about the Soviet
system during the '80s? In 1982, Columbia University Sovietologist
Seweryn Bialer wrote in foreign Affairs: "The Soviet Union is not
now nor will it be during the next decade in the throes of a true
systemic crisis, for it boasts enormous unused reserves of
political & social stability"
This view was seconded that same year by the eminent historian
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr: "Those in the United States who think the
Soviet Union is on the verge of economic collapse" are "wishful
thinkers are who are only kidding themselves."
John Kenneth Gallbraith wrote in 1984: That thee Soviet Union has
made great material progress in recent years is evident both from
the the statistics & from the general urban scene... One sees it in
the appearance of solid well-being of the people in the streets..
& the general aspect of resturants, theaters & shops""
.........MIT Stuff Below....................Tavish
Equally imaginative was Paul Samuelson of MIT, a Nobel laureate in
economics, writing in 1985 said, "What counts is results, & there
can be no doubt that the Soviet planning system has been a powerful
engine for economic growth."
But the genius award must go to Lester Thurow of MIT, who wrote as
late as 1988, "Today the Soviet Union is a country whose economic
achievments bear comparison with those of the U.S,."
[...]
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324849372
Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
Date: 1998/02/13
Message-ID: <6c26ir$v9m$1...@news.missouri.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
CUBANEWS FROM RADIO HAVANA CUBA
E-mail: r...@radiohc.org
http://www.radiohc.org
[...]
The following items are taken from Radio Havana Cuba's news
service for Thursday, February 12, 1998. Today's stories:
[...]
5.- COMMUNIST MANIFESTO TO BE STUDIED IN INTERNATIONAL
CONFERENCE
[...]
COMMUNIST MANIFESTO TO BE STUDIED IN INTERNATIONAL
CONFERENCE
Havana, February 12(RHC)-- The 150th anniversary of the
Communist Manifesto will be commemorated in the Cuban
capital with the international conference "Social
Emancipation 150 Years After the Communist Manifesto." The
scientific gathering, scheduled for Havana's Capitol from
February 17th through the 20th, will be attended by 40
scholars and academics from 10 countries including George
Labica from the Paris II-Nanterre University, Richard Levin,
an author of works on Karl Marx and other important figures
of the world communist movement and Erwin Marquit, professor
at the University of Minnesota at Minneapolis in the United
States.
The gathering's agenda includes round tables on the
significance of the Communist Manifesto 150 years after its
publication, with a focus on imperialism and globalization.
The Communist Manifesto is the Marxist text most-translated
and published around the world. That document recognizes the
international strategy of the bourgeoisie and capitalism,
offers a broad concept of the working-class and calls for
the unity of workers to face capitalism, signalling the role
of communists in the revolutionary transformation of
society.
~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~
BTW Comrade Sonofvitch Matthewski did you notice:
"... attended by 40
scholars and academics from 10 countries including George
Labica from the Paris II-Nanterre University, Richard Levin,
an author of works on Karl Marx and other important figures
of the world communist movement and Erwin Marquit, professor
at the University of Minnesota at Minneapolis..." ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did you notice the: "The gathering's agenda includes round tables on
the significance of the Communist Manifesto 150 years after its
publication, with a focus on imperialism and globalization.
The Communist Manifesto is the Marxist text most-translated
and published around the world. That document recognizes the
international strategy of the bourgeoisie and capitalism,
offers a broad concept of the working-class and calls for
the unity of workers to face capitalism, signalling the role
of communists in the revolutionary transformation of
society."
I could conclude that U of M knows that they had a representative to
attend this Commie Conference- wouldn't the rest of you?
BTW Comrade Sonofvitch Matthewski, do you still stand behind your
assinine claim: "Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and
grounds. A campus can't condon or spread anything, except maybe
crabgrass."
It looks like your god damned commies are spreadin POISON IVY instead
of crabgrass!
Here are some more findings in DejaNews:
Please notice the date on this one and the server it was posted from!
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=179535182
Subject: Minnesota: Statement on Threat to Tenure System
From: "Erwin Marquit" <marq...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Date: 1996/09/09
Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of the
Communist Party, USA on Nationwide Threat to Tenure .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
September 6, 1996
The right of working-class children to a high quality education
at a public university came under attack on September 5, 1996
when the Board of Regents of the University of Minnesota
resolved to dismantle the system of tenure, the principle
safeguard for the freedom of students to learn and of faculty to
teach and conduct research.
[...]
(Send such appeals to the chair of the Faculty Consultative
Committee--the University Senate's steeing committee-- Professor
Virginia Gray, Department of Political Science, 1414 Social Science,
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455; E-mail:
vg...@polisci.umn.edu)
For further information, contact Erwin Marquit
Chair, U of Minn. Committee of the CPUSA
3512 W. 22 Street, Minneapolis, MN 55416
(612) 922-7993 marq...@tc.umn.edu
[...]
~~~~~ End of archived post ~~~~
Note again the part in the opening of the post above which said:
"Subject: Minnesota: Statement on Threat to Tenure System
From: "Erwin Marquit" <marq...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Date: 1996/09/09
Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of the
Communist Party, USA on Nationwide Threat to Tenure ."
And compare what Comrade Allan Matthews claimed with his ridicule:
>>Subject: Re: University of Minnesota & Its Communist Party USA
>>Sympathy
>>From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
>>Date: 1998/01/23
>>Message-ID: <MPG.f3219231...@news.shore.net>
>>
>>Once again, "Sieg Heil" Scottie, frothing at the mouth about
>>"Communists," fails to distinguish between official University of
>>Minnesota policies and a web page that isn't even on a University
>>server.
>>
>>This is exactly the same sort of crap Scottie spewed when he found a
>>Marxist page on a student web server at MIT and laughably declared it
>>"proof" that MIT is a Marxist indoctrination facility.
.....................................................................
Attention any FBI Agents that are awake :-) why don't you mosey right
back up and read Allan Matthews spew and personal attack against me!
Either he is so god damned ignorant that he is blind or he should be
questioned as being a communist agent working at subversion and other
unAmerican activities. Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews and his
fellow Soviet Jeffrey G. Brown should be interrogated for their
obvious communistic sympathies at the earliest possible time!
Doc Tavish
It is about time you stopped being an unAmerican asshole and about
time you got with the program! Afterall how long can a traitor to his
country reamin a Benedict Arnold and how much more so for someone that
would side with and defend Marxists?
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com or
jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G. Brown):
>Evidence of Marxist/Communist Activity at U of M:
>Please notice and remember what was said:
>"... attended by 40 scholars and academics from 10 countries including
>George Labica from the Paris II-Nanterre University, Richard Levin,
>an author of works on Karl Marx and other important figures
>of the world communist movement and Erwin Marquit, professor
>at the University of Minnesota at Minneapolis..."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Did you all notice the: "The gathering's agenda includes round tables
>on the significance of the Communist Manifesto 150 years after its
>publication, with a focus on imperialism and globalization.
>The Communist Manifesto is the Marxist text most-translated
>and published around the world. That document recognizes the
>international strategy of the bourgeoisie and capitalism,
>offers a broad concept of the working-class and calls for
>the unity of workers to face capitalism, signalling the role
>of communists in the revolutionary transformation of
>society."
>
>I could conclude that U of M knows that they had a representative to
>attend this Commie Conference- wouldn't the rest of you?
>
>BTW Comrade Sonofvitch Matthewski, do you still stand behind your
>assinine claim: "Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and
>grounds. A campus can't condon or spread anything, except maybe
>crabgrass." (Lukers- Comrade's full unedited comments are below)
>Here is the Marxist apologist Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews:
>
>http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318544175
>Subject: Re: University of Minnesota & Its Communist Party USA
>Sympathy
>From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
>Date: 1998/01/23
>Message-ID: <MPG.f3219231...@news.shore.net>
>
>Once again, "Sieg Heil" Scottie, frothing at the mouth about
>"Communists," fails to distinguish between official University of
>Minnesota policies and a web page that isn't even on a University
>server.
>
>This is exactly the same sort of crap Scottie spewed when he found a
>Marxist page on a student web server at MIT and laughably declared it
>"proof" that MIT is a Marxist indoctrination facility.
>
>Perhaps "Sieg Heil" Scottie feels a strong need to castigate academic
>institutions so as not to feel quite so bad about his being a sixth
>grade dropout.
>
>In article <34c792b1...@news.smart1.net>,
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com says...
>>FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DUPED INTO THINKING COMMUNISM IS DEAD
>
>Given that Communism is an idea, how could it be dead? How do you
>kill an idea, Scottie? Of course, given that Scottie has never
>actually had any ideas of his own, this misunderstanding on his part
>is quite understandable.
>
>>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/index.html
>
>Hmmmm... The title of the thread is " University of Minnesota & Its
>Communist Party USA Sympathy," yet this page has nothing whatsoever to
>do with the U of M. Looks like Scottie's lying again.
>
>>Here is another college campus condoning and spreading communism:
>
>Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and grounds. A campus
>
>can't condon or spread anything, except maybe crabgrass. Your
>pathetic grasp of English once again makes it clear that you certainly
>didn't have the mental capacity to get through the 6th grade.
>
>>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/intellec.html
>
>Once again, this URL is on a commerical (oh, the irony...) server, not
>on a U. of M. machine. It also doesn't bill itself as an official U.
>of M. page or site. How clueless Scottie here therefore infers that
>the U. of M. has CPUSA sympathies is not at all clear.
>
>>Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of CPUSA
>
>Except for the inclusion of the U. of M. name in the title of this
>page, there is no evidence at all that this page is related to U. of
>M. at all.
>
>[Scottie's pointless copying of the contents of the above page
>snipped]
>
>Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
>any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
>
>allan
>--
>************************************
> allan_m...@bigfoot.com
>************************************
>
>~~~~~~~ End of Marxist Denier's Archived Post~~~~~~~
>
>Here is what he was ridiculing above:
>
>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/intellec.html
>
>An Appeal to Progressive Intellectuals
>On the Role of Intellectuals in the Theory and Practice of Scientific
>Socialism
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of CPUSA
>
>Communist intellectuals are needed as participants in the struggle to
>democratize the political and economic life of our nation. They are
>needed to apply creatively dialectical and historical materialist
>analyses to these struggles as teachers and researchers and to the
>expansion of human knowledge in general. The work of the left
>intellectual often has an individual character, especially in the
>United States, where intellectuals often find themselves in relative
>isolation. The Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA) seeks to
>help overcome this isolation and strengthen the contributions made by
>revolutionary Marxists by facilitating contact with each other through
>conferences, Internet discussions, and joint projects in research and
>writing.
>
>Intellectuals who identify with the tradition of revolutionary
>Marxism--that is, with the traditions of the Communist movement
>inspired by the life works of Marx, Engels, and Lenin--have unique
>roles and responsibilities to fulfill in the theoretical and practical
>tasks associated with the revolutionary transformation of society. The
>alliance of intellectuals with workers in working-class parties has
>been central to the development of socialism throughout the world.
>
>A precondition for the revolutionary transformation of society is the
>recognition by the working class and all others oppressed by
>capitalism of the irreconcilable conflict between their interests and
>those of monopoly capitalism. Revolutionary Marxists join with other
>progressive and left forces in mobilizing the broadest possible forces
>to end the domination over our lives by entrenched corporate power.
>
>At the same time, we must continually point out that victories in the
>struggles against unemployment, low wages, racism, sexism, homophobia,
>inadequate housing, lack of health care, poor education, and other
>forms of oppression are always temporary victories under capitalism.
>Although a socialist transformation will not immediately solve each of
>these problems, only socialism can create the conditions that will
>ultimately eliminate them, and only through a scientific socialist
>methodology will we be able to determine the cause and the source of
>the resistance to their solution. For example, the class character of
>racism is not generally apparent to large numbers of people who
>actively participate in the struggles against its manifestations. This
>class character is obscured by the extension of racist ideology across
>class boundaries. Scientific exposures of the class character of
>racism such as a historical study of the introduction by U.S. Steel of
>racial segregation in the Gary, Indiana, steel mills in the 1920s
>provided a powerful weapon to the progressive forces in the labor
>movement which had been struggling in the 1960s and 1970s to oust a
>racist, class-collaborationist leadership in the United Steelworkers
>of America. Studies in the 1930s and 1940s of labor conditions,
>poverty, and housing, particularly under the National Resources
>Planning Board, where the Left played an important role, led to many
>of the specific social welfare advances now under attack by both the
>right-wing Republicans and Clinton. Communists, by uniting
>intellectuals and workers and analyzing the class nature of politics
>and political power, helped to bring about those changes.
>
>The CPUSA, a party whose ideology is rooted in the scientific
>methodology of dialectical and historical materialism, recognizes the
>necessity of linking the work of intellectuals to the living practice
>of scientific socialism and the broader struggles of the entire
>working-class movement. It seeks to give expression to both individual
>and collective participation of intellectual workers in the efforts to
>effect a socialist reconstruction of our country.
>
>The resurgence of left and progressive forces in and out of the labor
>movement has begun. The reversals to socialism in Central and Eastern
>Europe and the USSR were a severe blow to the international
>revolutionary working-class movement. A marked revival of ideological
>and practical activity is occurring among Communists in several
>countries. In the United States large numbers of left scholars and
>other progressive intellectuals, through their participation in a
>variety of progressive- or socialist-oriented academic/professional
>conferences and publications, are demonstrating their continuing
>commitment to the quest for social justice and the search for
>solutions to the problems created by the crisis character of
>contemporary capitalism. It is the task of Communist intellectuals to
>contribute to the transformation of this commitment to a higher level
>of social consciousness--to a commitment to scientific socialism.
>
>Intellectuals working in academic life share the problems that
>confront all academic workers. The right-wing drive to privatize
>public education includes higher education as well, manifesting itself
>in severe budget cuts, increases in tuition far exceeding inflation
>rates, and downsizing of faculty, staff, and other university
>employees. The nationwide attacks on tenure and the introduction of
>post-tenure reviews are specifically designed to intimidate and
>eliminate faculty whose research and teaching are conducted in the
>public interest rather than in the interest of the powerful
>monopolies. The cutbacks in student loans are specifically targeted at
>the daughters and sons of the working class with the intent of
>reinforcing the ever-hardening iron curtain of class boundaries.
>Attacks on affirmative action, like California's Proposition 209, open
>wide the door to other blatantly racist actions which seek to divide
>the multiracial female/male working class along racial lines. The new
>immigration laws seek to eliminate all but the wealthiest of
>international students from the U.S. academy.
>
>Privatization of university assets from bookstores to dining commons
>is designed to break campus unions, reduce wages, and eliminate
>benefits while opening up the public university to plunder by private
>capital. Communist academics therefore set a high priority on the
>defense of public education, exposing the class character of the
>wide-ranging attacks on it, and energetically defending the principle
>of academic freedom. Communist academics see faculty unionization as
>the main path for the defense of tenure and other faculty rights, as
>well as the only meaningful way to implement the principle of faculty
>governance. Communists wholeheartedly support the unionization of
>graduate students, staff, and other university workers as the surest
>method to protect the public character of education.
>
>We appeal to all intellectual workers who consider themselves
>revolutionary Marxists, to all those who identify themselves with the
>Communist tradition, to become members of the CPUSA. By joining
>forces, we can be part of the process of extending revolutionary ideas
>and spirit into the concrete realm of action--the true revolutionary
>theory and practice necessary for the new century.
ZOG
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:46:04 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>adhering to Judaism after the New Covenant was established? I can show
>one that denounced Judaism!
You have posted this pack of distortions and lies at least a dozen times
and it is no truer now than it was the first time. Undeniable Proof
that you should have stayed in school! (Potential dropouts note:
do you really want to wind up like this cretin?) Tavish must be eating
those new Olestra-based foods -- his anal leakage is showing!
Are you claiming that Christians aren't bound by the Ten Commandments?
That they don't believe in the Creation story? The Great Flood?
Do you have even the slightest inkling of what Jesus meant when
stating:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets: I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any
means disappear from the Law..." (Matt. 5:17, 18)
Have heaven and earth disappeared when no one was looking, "Doc?"
Perhaps you can take just a moment out of your Jew-basing to explain what
the prophet Jeremiah said:
"Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats
sour grapes -- his own teeth will be set on edge.
"'The time is coming,' declares the Lord, 'when I will make
a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house
of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their
forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of
Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband
to them,' declares the Lord.
'This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after
that time,' declares the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will
be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man
his brother, saying, "know the Lord," because they will all know
me, from the least of them to the greatest,' declares the Lord.
'For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins
no more.'" (Jeremiah 31:30-34)
You would do well to consider:
"Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves.
Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not
do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror
and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets
what he looks like." (James 1:22, 23)
Of course you have shown not the slighted inclination to understanding
and accepting the teachings of the religion you pretend to be a part of!
What a hoot! The weasel who thinks he's a "Christian!"
--
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ZOG
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:30:58 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>It is about time you stopped being an unAmerican asshole and about
You were obviously looking in the mirror when you wrote this one!
Not only are you a traitor to this country and all it stands for,
but as has been undisputably proven you are a traitor to Jesus
and all of his teachings as well! As ultimate Unchristian hypocrite
you are far worse than any "Talmudic Pharisee" could ever be!
Doc Tavish
On 29 Apr 1998 16:15:26 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:46:04 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>adhering to Judaism after the New Covenant was established? I can show
>>one that denounced Judaism!
>
>You have posted this pack of distortions and lies at least a dozen times
>and it is no truer now than it was the first time.
Alright you show one disciple that stayed with Judaism and here is my
one that thoroughly denounced Judaism and abandoned it:
Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
Was Paul being disobedient to Jesus for denouncing his former Judaism-
the religion of the Pharisees? Can you show where any of the followers
of the New Covenant were also adherers to the Old Covenant? You can't
and you should now admit it!
Stop being a big mouth obnoxious Eternal Jew Bob- show me where anyone
that became Christian still followed Judaism!
> Undeniable Proof
>that you should have stayed in school! (Potential dropouts note:
>do you really want to wind up like this cretin?) Tavish must be eating
>those new Olestra-based foods -- his anal leakage is showing!
Typical big mouth Jew. No solid counter proof so he starts with the
personal attack. No wonder why your kind has been so thoroughly
despised by countless people throughout the ages. You all will never
admit that your brings most of its "deserved" misery upon themselves!
>Are you claiming that Christians aren't bound by the Ten Commandments?
>That they don't believe in the Creation story? The Great Flood?
>Do you have even the slightest inkling of what Jesus meant when
>stating:
>
> "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
> Prophets: I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
> I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
> smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any
> means disappear from the Law..." (Matt. 5:17, 18)
>
>Have heaven and earth disappeared when no one was looking, "Doc?"
The New Covenant replaced the Law Boob! Read again the context of what
you just quoted: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill
them." Jesus fulfilled it by replacing the Old with the New.
Again it was posted:
"Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we
might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has
arrived, we are now no longer under a tutor [Law]." Galatians 3: 24,25
As regards to people that observe the Pharisees teachings:
"For I say to you that if your righteousness does not abound more than
that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the
kingdom of the heavens." Matthew 5: 20
"Offspring of vipers, how can you speak good things when you are
wicked?" Matthew 12: 34
"Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If then a blind man
guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit." Matthew 15: 14
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites because you shut up the
kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in,
neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. Woe to you,
scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites because you traverse the sea and dry
land to make one proselyte [convert], and when he becomes one you make
him a subject for Gehenna twice as much so as yourselves." Matthew 23:
13-15
[What religion were the Pharisees? If someone wanted to follow Jesus'
advice then they sure wouldn't want to ignore what Jesus said above!]
>>"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
>>break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
>>ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
>>of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
>>largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
>>it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
>>partly works of edification (Haggadic)." The Universal Jewish
>>Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474]
Here is more about the Law and it being done away with in the words of
How come the Jews' Temple is Still in ruin Bob if your Sons of Belial
are still the Chosen? There is a big fat lie somewhere wouldn't you
think?
Here is more on the Temple's Destruction and the vomiting of Jews from
the land:
THE TEMPLE INUAGURATION AND GOD'S STATEMENT
1 Kings 9:3-9 (English-RSV):
3 And the LORD said to him [King Solomon], "I have heard your prayer
and your supplication, which you have made before me; I have
consecrated this house which you have built, and put my name there for
ever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.
4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father
walked, with integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to
all that I have commanded you, and keeping my statutes and my
ordinances,
5 then I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I
promised David your father, saying, 'There shall not fail you a man
upon the throne of Israel.'
6 But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and
do not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before
you, but go and serve other gods and worship them,
7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them;
and the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of
my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all
peoples.
8 And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it
will be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the
LORD done thus to this land and to this house?'
9 Then they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God who
brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other
gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has
brought all this evil upon them.'"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How does this hit you ZOG? " I will cut off Israel from the land which
I have given them; and the house which I have consecrated for my name
I will cast out of my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a
byword among all peoples. And this house will become a heap of ruins;
everyone passing by it will be astonished, and will hiss; and they
will say, 'Why has the LORD done thus to this land and to this
house?'"
Right now there are millions upon millions laughing their asses off
at your calamity and I am one of them! ROTFLMAO big time too! You
bastards still think you're The Chosen[TM] but you are nothing but
rubble of what used to be and refuse needing to be assigned to the ash
heap of history along with all of your radical in your face activism
and the socialism/communism you seem to carry every where!
Face it Bob, your tribe is all mouth and bluster- their own G-d has
left them and their Temple in ruins. I know why all of you are such
miserable and pathetic pukes to this day- I would be too if I KNEW God
had abandoned me and had given what was mine to others!
Bob, you are mentally disturbed and you should really seek the aid of
a good counselor. Don't get a Jewish one either. You two will wind up
wallowing in all of your combined miseries and off each other! On the
other hand Bob, seek a Jewish counselor!
Doc Tavish
-----
Folks I'm in a nostalgic mood. Does anyone know where to
get old Viet Nam Era bumper stickers that cleverly said:
"KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMIE" and
"KILL THEM ALL - LET GOD SORT THEM OUT" They may
become popular again! :-) Doc Tavish
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e03....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346882455
>Subject: >Democratic Socialists of America Revisited (For Your
>Files!)<
>
>http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/index.html
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473dc1....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>On 28 Apr 1998 21:25:03 GMT, mswi...@magenta.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael
>R. Swishart) wrote:
>
>>follow-ups trimmed
>>
>>In article <353e7b13....@news.phoenix.net>,
>>Reginald Higham Cornelius McTavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Let us first examine what "Talmudic Pharisaic Jews" are.
>>>From their own writings we have this information to give us an overall
>>>definition:
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473f10....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326760575.3
>Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 19 1998
>From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
>Date: 1998/02/19
>Message-ID: <9b791978&1998021923...@abbie.blythe.org>
>
>[...]
>
>CONFERENCE ON 150th ANNIVERSARY OF COMMUNIST
>MANIFESTO IN HAVANA
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e8d....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>INTERNATIONAL BOLSHEVIK TENDENCY
>
>http://www.bolshevik.org/
>
>WHO WE ARE:
>
>http://www.bolshevik.org/what_is.html
>
>(excerpt)
>
>The International Bolshevik Tendency (IBT) is a revolutionary
>socialist organization founded by former cadres of the international
>Spartacist tendency (today the International Communist League). The
>following text is excerpted from the document "For Trotskyism!,"
>published in 1917 (No. 3, Spring 1987):
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e6c....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "" Bradbury
(doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
>Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
>From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
>Date: 1996/12/30
>Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>
>
>Restoration of capitalism in
>the former Soviet Union
>
>It has been over a decade since the accession to power of Mikhail
>Gorbachev and the turn of the Soviet bureaucracy to the policy of
>dismantling the so called "socialist" economy.
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473f7a....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=297081576.1
>Subject: Re: REAGAN was Right - REAGAN Saw True
>From: yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>Date: 1997/12/11
>Message-ID: <66ndbm$r...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
>
>In <66n31s$n...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> yas...@ix.netcom.com
>Mary E Knadler) writes:
>
>If so, it is reasonable that these experts would have foreseen the
>inevitable collapse.
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473ed5....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>The Leaders on the Assault on Tobacco:
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of coure -- I have written nothing of
the kind.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473fbd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324849372
>Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
>From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
>Date: 1998/02/13
>Message-ID: <6c26ir$v9m$1...@news.missouri.edu>
>Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
>
>Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> CUBANEWS FROM RADIO HAVANA CUBA
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:36:31 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com or
jgb...@earthlink.net (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
In his own words the topic of this post:
ZOG
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:02:47 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
[the usual assorment of lies, distortions, and hate-filled bigotry]
Evading the issue, as usual, Tavish? Answer the question: Which of these
Commandments from the Law of Moses are believers now free to disobey?
1. You shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself an idol.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Again, which of these commandments shouldn't Christians obey now that
they're under the New Covenant? (We can certainly see which ones you
feel no need to obey!)
Oh, and you forgot to complete the reading comprehension part of the
"test", Tavish. This is something even a sixth-grade dropout should
be able to understand! Most of the words have only one or two
syllables!
Here's the passage again:
"The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make
an new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house
of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their
forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of
Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband
to them," declares the Lord.
"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after
that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they
will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they
will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the Lord.
"For I will forgive their wickedness and remember their sins
no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
What does God say about the new covenant, Tavish? Is there something
in this passage about the law? What happens to the law under the new
covenant, Tavish? Is it abolished? Does it pass away?
Here's the extra credit section, "Doc"! How does the passage in
Jeremiah relate to what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-20?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill
them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,
not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will
by any means disappear from the Law until everything is
accomplished."
I'll even help you think through this tough problem, Tavish! Jesus
also said "It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for
the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law" (Luke 16:17).
Heaven and earth haven't disappeared. But the law *has* gone somewhere.
Where? Oh, and "until heaven and earth disappear" is parallel to
"until everything is accomplished." Says the same thing two ways.
> "Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we
> might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has
> arrived, we are now no longer under a tutor [Law]." Galatians 3: 24,25
Why did Paul say "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? NOT AT ALL!
RATHER WE UPHOLD THE LAW." (Romans 3:31)?
> [What religion were the Pharisees? If someone wanted to follow Jesus'
> advice then they sure wouldn't want to ignore what Jesus said above!]
ROTFL!!! You have been ignoring what Jesus says about the Pharisees
from day one! (Not to mention the host of other commandments that
you conventiently ignore!) Although I hate to be so repetive (it's
too Tavish-like), it's apparent you have a comprehension problem.
Let's go over it again, shall we...
First a reminder of one basic principle put forward by your "Savior"
that you conveniently ignore and spit upon on a daily basis. In case
you've "somehow" got that verse snipped out of your Bible, "Doc,"
Luke 6:27ff ought to still be in it:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to
those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those
who mistreat you...If you love those who love you, what credit
is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if
you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to
you? Even 'sinners' do that...But love your enemies, do good to
them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.
Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most
High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful,
just as your Father is merciful."
You really seem to have a problem with the above!
Now, you "don't think" that Jesus considered "the Talmudic Pharisees" to be
his his "brothers". It's obvious that you don't understand Jesus' attitude
in Luke 19:41ff:
"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, *he wept over it*
and said, 'If you, even you, had only known on this day what
would bring you peace -- but is now hidden from your eyes. The
days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment
against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side."
That's linked to Isaiah 22:4:
"Let me weep bitterly. Do not try to console me over the
destruction of my people."
...and how about:
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to His disciples: The teachers
of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey
them and do everything they tell you." Matt. 23:2.3
When have you ever followed your "master" in love and mercy, "Doc"? When
have you wept over the Jews instead of gloating in your blind hate? What
part of "Do everything in love" (1 Corinthians 16:14) don't you understand?
Here's another story that Tavish has cut out of the bible (paraphrased
here so that even a 6th grade dropout can understand what it's about!)...
A religion scholar [just like Tavish!] stood up with a question
to test Jesus. "Teacher, what do I need to do to get eternal life?"
Jesus answered, "What's written in God's Law? How do you interpret it?"
The religion scholar said, "That you love the Lord your God with all your
passion and prayer and muscle and intelligence---and that you love your
neighbor as well as you love yourself."
"Good answer," said Jesus. "Do it and you'll get eternal life."
Looking for a loophole [again, just like Tavish!], the religious scholar
asked, "And just how would you define 'neighbor'?"
Jesus answered by telling a story. "There once was a Jew traveling from
Jersalem to Jericho. On the way he was attacked by robbers. They took
his clothes, beat him up, and went off leaving him half dead. Luckily,
a priest was on his way down the same road, but when he saw the Jew he
angled across to the other side. Then a Levite religious man showed up;
he also avoided the injured Jew.
A Samaritan traveling the road came on the Jew. [Jews and Samaritans were
enemies.] When the Samaritan saw the Jew's condition, his heart went out
to him. He gave the Jew first aid, disinfecting and bandaging his wounds.
Then he lifted the Jew on to his donkey, led him to an inn, and made him
comfortable. In the morning he took out two silver coins and gave them to
the innkeeper, saying, 'Take good care of the Jew. If it costs any more,
put it on my bill -- I'll pay you on my way back.'
"What do you think," Jesus asked. "Which of the three became a neighbor
to the Jew attacked by robbers?
"The enemy who treated him kindly," the religion scholar answered.
Jesus said, "Go and do the same." (Luke 10:25-37)
Sure sounds like someone who hated Jews/Pharisees, eh Tavish?
A further passage of interest:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone
those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your
children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,
but you were not willing." (Matt. 23:27)
Once again Jesus declares his compassion for the Jews, his desire
to protect and shelter them, rather than the hatred and retribution that
Tavish and friends are projecting onto him.
> Here is more about the Law and it being done away with in the words of
> former practicer of Judaism, the Apostle Paul:
As opposed to:
"To those not having the law I became like one not having the
law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's
law), so as to win those not having the law." (1 Cor. 9:21)
"You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your
freedom to indulge the sinful nature, rather, serve one another
in love. The ENTIRE LAW is summed up in a single command: Love
your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:13,14)
Why on earth would Paul appeal to the LAW as a model for their behavior?
James says,
"But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that
gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what
he has heard, but doing it --- he will be blessed in what he
does." (James 1:25)
"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. But if you show
favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point
is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit
adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit
adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. Speak
and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives
freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone
who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgement."
(James 2:8-13)
Again, why are they talking about the law as something that applies to
Christians? What aspect of the Law are they upholding?
> Yes, Jesus foretold the Kingdom being ripped away from "The
> Chosen[TM]" and they knew that he was talking about them too! The
> nation that will be producing the fruits are the Gentiles and any Jew
> that believes in the Son.
If you really believe that, Tavish, why aren't you out working for Jews
for Jesus instead of spewing your hatred all over Usenet? How can you tell
the difference between Good Jews Who Might Be Converts and Bad Jews Who
Will Never Be Converts? Are you God that you can judge men's hearts?
Oh, and Paul says that "God's gifts and his call are irrevocable" (Romans
11:29. The Torah also speaks of an "everlasting covenant". Once Chosen,
always Chosen!
> As we all know the temple has been in ruins since 70 AD. This should
> be obvious that the Pharisees and their decendents did not have God's
> favor and to this very hour do not have God's favor!
As we all know, the Jews have just celebrated the 50th anniversary of
Israel. Do you really think that they'll let the temple stay in ruins
forever?
As a "Christian" you supposedly believe in prophecy. Do you really think
this prophecy won't be fulfilled?
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'I am very jealous for Zion,
I am burning with jealousy for her.'
"This is what the Lord says, "I will return to Zion and dwell in
Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and
the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy
Mountain.'"
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'I will save my people from
the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to
live in Jerusalem; and I will be faithful and righteous to them as
their God.'"
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'You who now hear these
words spoken by the prophets who were there when the foundation
was laid for the house of the Lord Almighty, let your hands be
strong so that the temple may be built.'"
"But now I will not deal with this remnant of the people as I did
in the past," declares the Lord Almighty.
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'Just as I had determined to
bring disaster upon you and showed no pity when your fathers
angered me,' says the Lord Almighty, 'so now I have determined to
do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid.'"
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'Many peoples and the
inhabitants of many cities will yet come, and the inhabitants
of one city will go to another and say, "Let us go at once to
entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going."
And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem
to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him."
"This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'In those days ten men from
all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the
hem of his robe and say, "Let us go with you, because we have
heard that God is with you.'" (Zechariah 8:2ff)
> Right now there are millions upon millions laughing their asses off
> at your calamity and I am one of them! ROTFLMAO big time too! You
> bastards still think you're The Chosen[TM] but you are nothing but
I really have to laugh as you once again violate the most basic
precepts of the religion you claim to be a part of! The only
"calamity" here is yours! We have seen clearly that you have not
a single clue as to the true meaning of what is contained in your
own bible. You continue in your wicked pig-headedness despite the
clear mandates of the New Testament!
You never answered this question, Tavish: Where does Jesus tell you
that it's OK to hate Jews or anyone else for that matter? To gloat?
To libel and slander and bear false witness? In fact as we have seen,
you are commanded to do the exact opposite! And your only "defense"
to date, despite being shown Undeniable Proof of this this time and time
again, is a pathetic "I'm not perfect!" I would not want to be in
your shoes come "judgement day." You're going to have an awful
lot of explaining to do!
> rubble of what used to be and refuse needing to be assigned to the ash
> heap of history along with all of your radical in your face activism
ROTFL!!! It is your pathetic "ary*n heroes" and their bankrupt
philosophies which have been relegated to the ash-heap of history!
> and the socialism/communism you seem to carry every where!
Gotta laugh at this one too! How many Jews were involved in running
the Soviet government? How many in the Chineses? In fact, virtually
every one of the atrocities you attribute to Jews in the name of Communism
were committed by goyim!! Your kind seem to have a flair for butchery!
> Face it Bob, your tribe is all mouth and bluster- their own G-d has
Once again the pot calls the kettle black! Your kind are all mouth
and bluster, with no intelligence whatsoever. Your entire position
is rooted firmly in quicksand, but you're too stupid to see it.
> miserable and pathetic pukes to this day- I would be too if I KNEW God
> had abandoned me and had given what was mine to others!
Unfortunately for you, as we have seen, the bible simply does not support
that assertion! It is a product of that diseased organ rotting between
your ears. Once again, you are projecting. It is YOUR kind who are
"pathetic pukes."
In fact, goy, it is quite apparent that YOU are the one has abandoned
God and all of His teachings! We have seen it here time and time
again, and you still refuse to address the issue! When are you
going to stop spitting on Jesus and all of Christianity's teachings
and actually make an attempt to follow them? Your sins have been
detailed here time and time again. As we have clearly seen, you do
your best do "diss" Christianity from within, which is much worse
than any "Talmudic Pharisee" could do! You're making your own
"laws" up as you go along while denying God and Jesus!
> Bob, you are mentally disturbed and you should really seek the aid of
LOL!!! This is the ultimate! To the Tavish-creature, quoting the clear
dictates of his own Holy Bible makes one "mentally disturbed!" This
really takes the cake!
You are hardly in a position to accuse anyone else of being "disturbed,"
Tavish. Your constant hate-filled diatribes, your constant searching
for anything remotely making Jews "look bad" no matter how long a stretch,
speaks of serious mental illness on your part. (If a few of us decided to
put that kind of time and effort into finding articles that make ary*ns
and/or Christians "look bad" it would be such a torrent that these Newsgroups
would be buried under the load!)
You need a good Jewish psychiatrist to straighten you out before it's
too late, worm!
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e6c....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
>Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
>From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
>Date: 1996/12/30
>Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>
>
>Restoration of capitalism in
>the former Soviet Union
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473f7a....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=297081576.1
>Subject: Re: REAGAN was Right - REAGAN Saw True
>From: yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>Date: 1997/12/11
>Message-ID: <66ndbm$r...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
>
>In <66n31s$n...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> yas...@ix.netcom.com
>Mary E Knadler) writes:
>
>If so, it is reasonable that these experts would have foreseen the
>inevitable collapse.
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473f10....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326760575.3
>Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 19 1998
>From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
>Date: 1998/02/19
>Message-ID: <9b791978&1998021923...@abbie.blythe.org>
>
>[...]
>
>CONFERENCE ON 150th ANNIVERSARY OF COMMUNIST
>MANIFESTO IN HAVANA
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473ed5....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>The Leaders on the Assault on Tobacco:
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473fbd....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324849372
>Subject: Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
>From: NY-Trans...@abbie.blythe.org
>Date: 1998/02/13
>Message-ID: <6c26ir$v9m$1...@news.missouri.edu>
>Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
>
>Radio Havana Cuba, February 12, 1998
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473dc1....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>On 28 Apr 1998 21:25:03 GMT, mswi...@magenta.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael
>R. Swishart) wrote:
>
>>follow-ups trimmed
>>
>>In article <353e7b13....@news.phoenix.net>,
>>Reginald Higham Cornelius McTavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Let us first examine what "Talmudic Pharisaic Jews" are.
>>>From their own writings we have this information to give us an overall
>>>definition:
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e8d....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>INTERNATIONAL BOLSHEVIK TENDENCY
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473e6c....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
>Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
>From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
>Date: 1996/12/30
>Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>
>
>Restoration of capitalism in
>the former Soviet Union
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35473d01....@news.tavush-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>Brown) wrote:
>
>http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=336153831
>" More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
>Community Relations Council >"
Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
the sort.
>To see who the official poster boy
>for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
JGB
Doc Tavish
On 29 Apr 1998 23:09:57 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:02:47 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>[the usual assorment of lies, distortions, and hate-filled bigotry]
Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant Jewish
Pro-Life organizations.
Did you know in the 103rd Congress a Jew in the House (Jew Charles
Schumer) and a Jews in the Senate either introduced or helped to
introduce and got passed two versions (one each for House and Senate)
bills called F.A.C.E.?
I.E.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c103query.html
Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Introduced in the
House) HR 796 IH 103d CONGRESS
1st Session
To assure freedom of access to clinic entrances.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
February 3, 1993
Mr. (jew) SCHUMER (for himself and Mrs. MORELLA) introduced the
following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the
Judiciary......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senate:
Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Introduced in the
Senate)
S 636 IS 103d CONGRESS
To amend the Public Health Service Act to permit individuals to have
freedom of access to certain medical clinics and facilities, and for
other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
March 23 (legislative day, MARCH 3), 1993
Mr. KENNEDY (for himself, Mrs. (Jew) BOXER, Mr. CAMPBELL, Mrs. (Jew)
FEINSTEIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. (Jew) METZENBAUM, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mr. SIMON,
Mr. ROBB, Mr. (Jew) WELLSTONE, Mr. PELL, Ms. MOSELEY-BRAUN, and Mr.
(Jew) FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice
and referred to the Committee on Labor and Human Resources
Proof of who are Jews in Congress is available at:
B'nai B'rith's "Jewish" members of the 105th Congress
http://bnaibrith.org/pan/105congress2.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gist of bills:
Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Passed by the
House) 103d CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 796
AN ACT
To amend title 18, United States Code, to assure freedom of access to
reproductive services.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION l. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances
Act of 1993'.
SEC. 2. FREEDOM OF ACCESS TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICES.
Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at
the end the following:
`Sec. 248. Blocking access to reproductive health services
`(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES- Whoever--
`(1) by force, threat of force, or physical obstruction, intentionally
injures, intimidates, or interferes with any person, or attempts to do
so, because that person or any other person or class of persons is
obtaining or providing reproductive health services; or
`(2) intentionally damages or destroys the property of a facility, or
attempts to do so, because that facility provides reproductive health
services; shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this
section and also be subject to the civil remedy provided in subsection
(c) of this section, except that a parent or legal guardian of a minor
shall not be subject to any penalties or civil remedies under this
section for such activities insofar as they are directed exclusively
at that minor.
`(b) PENALTIES- Whoever violates subsection (a) of this section
shall--
`(1) in the case of a first offense, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both; and
`(2) in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior
conviction under this section, be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 3 years, or both; except that, if bodily injury results,
the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if
death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.
`(c) CIVIL ACTIONS-
`(1) RIGHT OF ACTION GENERALLY- Any person who is aggrieved by a
violation of subsection (a) of this section may in a civil action
obtain relief under this subsection.
`(2) ACTION BY ATTORNEY GENERAL- If the Attorney General has
reasonable cause to believe that any person, or group of persons, is
aggrieved by a violation of subsection (a) of this section, the
Attorney General may in a civil action obtain relief under this
subsection.
`(3) ACTIONS BY STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL- If an attorney general of a
State has reasonable cause to believe that any person or group of
persons is aggrieved by a violation of subsection (a) of this section,
that attorney general may in a civil action obtain relief under this
subsection.
`(4) RELIEF- In any action under this subsection, the court may award
any appropriate relief, including temporary, preliminary or permanent
injunctive relief, and compensatory and punitive damages for each
person aggrieved by the violation. With respect to compensatory
damages, the aggrieved person may elect, at any time before the
rendering of final judgment, to recover, in lieu of actual damages, an
award of statutory damages in the amount of $5,000 per violation. The
court may award to the prevailing party, other than the United States,
reasonable fees for attorneys and expert witnesses.
`(d) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION- (1) Nothing in this section shall be
construed to prohibit any expressive conduct (including peaceful
picketing or other peaceful demonstration) protected from legal
prohibition by the first article of amendment to the Constitution.
`(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to interfere with the
authority of States to enforce State or local laws regulating the
provision of reproductive health services.
`(e) NON-PREEMPTION- Congress does not intend this section to provide
the exclusive remedies with respect to the conduct prohibited by it,
nor to preempt the legislation of the States that may provide such
remedies.
`(f) DEFINITIONS- As used in this section, the following definitions
apply:
`(1) REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICES- The term `reproductive health
services' means reproductive health services provided in a hospital,
clinic, physician's office, or other facility, and includes medical,
surgical, counselling or referral services relating to the human
reproductive system.
`(2) FACILITY- The term `facility' includes the building or structure
in which the facility is located.
`(3) PHYSICAL OBSTRUCTION- The term `physical obstruction' means
rendering impassable ingress to or egress from a facility that
provides reproductive health services, or rendering passage to or from
such facility unreasonably difficult.
`(4) STATE- The term `State' includes a State of the United States,
the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or
possession of the United States.
`(5) INTIMIDATE- The term `intimidate' means to place a person in
reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to himself or herself or to
another.'.
SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.
This Act takes effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and
shall apply only with respect to conduct occurring on or after such
date.
SEC. 4. CLERICAL AMENDMENT.
The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 13 of title 18,
United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new
item:
`248. Blocking access to reproductive health services.'.
Passed the House of Representatives November 18, 1993.
Attest:
Clerk.
~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~
Here is an account of Operation Rescue being prosecuted:
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=340399978
Subject: Dissent
From: jdpa...@miint.net
Date: 1998/04/03
Message-ID: <6g1kkk$s5n$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.lutheran
[Read the whole article. This is but an excerpt]
[...]
[T]he Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act was
signed into law in 1970. It was to be used to prosecute both Mafia
kingpins and white-collar criminals, such as Wall Street traders using
insider information. Leaders of the pro-life group OPERATION RESCUE
were prosecuted as conspirators for acts of extortion in their efforts
to organize protests against abortion clinics. The Supreme Court has
recently upheld lower court rulings against these non-violent acts of
protest against the whole of abortion laws using RICO as the basis for
judgment.
If these rulings are taken to the logical extreme, people who protest
any action, whether against the government or private industry, can
now be found guilty of racketeering.
[I doubt if you will see any such action taken against the Marxist
Left and their protests. Has anyone seen any suggestion that this is
about to happen? Tavish]
As mentioned earlier civil disobedience must have an economical or
political impact on society to be effective. This quandary is now set
forth; what are viable acts that can influence and change the current
laws that allow late term abortions? There are many moral and ethical
dilemmas which arise as the result of this question. First, how do
Christians respond in the face of actions which will more than likely
involve collateral damage? Second, what consequences are we ready to
suffer? Schaeffer correctly states that if civil disobedience is to be
practiced that those who do so must be willing to suffer the results.
Third, to what extent are we willing to risk our dormant lifestyles
which we justify behind the facades of pacifism, misconstrued theology
and patriotism? This last question must first be answered before any
person decides to take any action.
Randall Terry, founder of OPERATION RESCUE had to not only suffer
government and societal censorship but make a complete lifestyle
change as a result of the action taken against him in the courts. The
bottom line is that one must be willing to accept major retribution
from the current judicial and political system and possibly from the
Christian community, for any act of dissent that is taken. The
freedoms of the common man have been trampled so that there is no
longer refuge under Constitutional rights. The civil rights as defined
by the Constitution have been subjugated to the discrimination of a
select few while the masses of people are denied the liberties
intended by this document. In talking of civil disobedience we must
take this into account. Ignoring this facet of reality will only
result in total disregard for the need to change[JP3] the existing
system.[JP4]
[...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
These bills greatly hinder and outright hamper abortion clinic
protestations. The irony of this is it was two Jews that got this
legisaltion passed and is currently being used to "kill" Operation
Rescue. (As shown above)
The pschology of all of this is, (some) Jews are in a psychological
breakdown because they know that people will stand up for the unborn
but it rips their heart and soul out knowing that not one person much
less one nation protested in front of Auschwitz.
Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
the Gentiles.
Metromedia had a TV special on with Ed Asner as the narrator and it
was called Auschwitz and the Allies- it told the story of top
government officials of all the allied nations knowing what was
happening.
Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
the unborn!
I challenge anyone to name any mainline Jewish organization that has a
pronounced Pro-Life agenda! B'nai B'rith all the way down are
pro-death. Will anyone explain how some Jews who are supposed to value
life so much can condone such monstrous acts?
I am open to input!
Joseph Hertzlinger
In <3547e2c8....@news.tavish-central.net>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant Jewish
>Pro-Life organizations.
>These bills greatly hinder and outright hamper abortion clinic
>protestations. The irony of this is it was two Jews that got this
>legisaltion passed and is currently being used to "kill" Operation
>Rescue. (As shown above)
>
>The pschology of all of this is, (some) Jews are in a psychological
>breakdown because they know that people will stand up for the unborn
>but it rips their heart and soul out knowing that not one person much
>less one nation protested in front of Auschwitz.
>
>Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
>government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
>the Gentiles.
>
>Metromedia had a TV special on with Ed Asner as the narrator and it
>was called Auschwitz and the Allies- it told the story of top
>government officials of all the allied nations knowing what was
>happening.
>
>Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
>the unborn!
If the above analysis is right, we can encourage Jews to be openly
pro-choice by eliminating anti-semitism.
In other words, shut the Hell up.
>I challenge anyone to name any mainline Jewish organization that has a
>pronounced Pro-Life agenda!
Toward Tradition.
Doc Tavish
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:28:46 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:
MIT's Marxist Education on Campus! See Also the Profile of a Marxist
Apologist!
MY EVIDENCE:
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311322335
Subject: January class seties at MIT
From: f...@psfc.mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
Date: 1997/12/30
Message-ID: <mt2.0-1291...@vera.kvalito.no>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,mit.bboard,soc.politics.marxism
The New World Disorder: a Marxist Perspective
[...]
At the end of 20th century the insoluble contradictions of
capitalism are reasserting themselves: firstly, the contradiction
between the globalization of the world economy and the system of
individual nation-states; secondly, the conflict between, on the one
hand, the need for a democratic plan to manage the natural resources
of Earth and to develop the social resources of humanity, and, on the
other hand, the system of private property with its cruel, market
driven laws.
These contradictions are now pushing mankind into a convulsive era
of wars and revolutions. We shall provide a Marxist analysis of the
factors shaping our world and see how to resolve the crisis of
revolutionary leadership in the working class.
Jan. 7: World economy in crisis: prelude to a new world war.
Jan. 14: Economic and social crisis in America.
Jan. 21: Russia: from Stalinism to capitalist barbarism.
Jan. 28: Socialism: what it is and what it isn't.
Wednesdays, 6 PM, room 8-105, on the Infinite Corridor
MIT - IAP Classes sponsored by F. Kreisel, 253-8625
--
==========================================================
Felix Kreisel, Systems Engineer Internet: f...@psfc.mit.edu
Plasma Science & Fusion Center, MIT Phone: 617-253-8625
190 Albany St. Cambridge, MA 02139 Fax: 617-252-1808
===========================================================
~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
Date: 1996/12/30
Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>
Restoration of capitalism in
the former Soviet Union
It has been over a decade since the accession to power of Mikhail
Gorbachev and the turn of the Soviet bureaucracy to the policy of
dismantling the so called "socialist" economy. Five years ago the
collapse of the Soviet Union put an end to the remnants of the
non-capitalist regime which was established by the October Revolution
in 1917. We shall examine the economic, political and social
developments currently taking place in the republics of the former
Soviet Union, trace the historical roots and draw the lessons of
mankind's first attempt to build a socialist society.
Wed, Jan. 8th, 6 -- 7 pm; conditions in Russia today.
Collapse and destruction characterize the former Soviet economy
subjected to the full weight of international capitalist competition.
The bourgeois social regime is taking the countries of the former
Soviet Union back to asiatic barbarism and fascism.
Wed, Jan. 15th, 6 -- 7 pm; 1917 in its historical context.
The Russian Revolution -- the first step of the world socialist
revolution.
Wed, Jan. 22nd, 6 -- 7 pm; the revolution betrayed.
The Soviet Union -- neither capitalist nor socialist, but a
contradictory society in transition.
Wed, Jan. 29th, 6 -- 7 pm; Marxism versus Stalinism.
Was there an alternative to Stalinism? Leon Trotsky's legacy and
Marxism today.
Recommended reading: Leon Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed;
and http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html#ARTICLES
Classes held on Wednesday evenings, 6�m, room 8-105
Please contact Felix Kreisel f...@mit.edu or at 253-8625 for further
questions.
--
- - - - - - - - -
Iskra Research -- Historical research and publication of Marxist
classics in the Russian language. 3 books by L. Trotsky published so
far: Predannaia revolutsiia; Permanentnaia revolutsiia; V zaschitu
marksizma.
*** NEW item: Electronic "Russian Marxist Glossary" is on-line. ***
Address: PO Box 397142, Cambridge, MA 02139-7142;
e-mail: f...@mit.edu
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html
~~~~ End of Archival Post at DejaNews~~~~
Now let us look at the link Marxist MIT Felix Kreisel gave just above:
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html
[...]
Politics of Iskra Research
We stand in political support of the International Committee of the
Fourth International and its American representative, the Socialist
Equality Party. Iskra Research is very proud to publish the on-line
version of the quarterly journal of the Cheliabinsk (Russia) Buro of
the ICFI (in Russian).
For miscellaneous articles by F. Kreisel on various political,
economic and historical subjects, please click here: Political essays
To promote our politics the director of Iskra Research, Felix Kreisel,
teaches classes on Marxism at his place of work at MIT during the
January Independent Activities Period.
[...]
~~~~~ End of Link ~~~~~
Now let us examine one of Felix Kreisel's "letters":
(Notice again that the letter is on the official MIT server!)
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/spartacist.html
Spartacist League versus Trotskyism
Copyright: Iskra Research; By: F. Kreisel; Oct. 27, 1994
^^^^^^^^^^
Dear comrade,
Thank you for your evaluation of my post about CoC. I fully appreciate
the fact that you are searching for a true Marxist revolutionary
movement. Based on my experience, the Spartacist League is,
unfortunately, not such a movement.
The workers' movement is today suffering from the deadly and false
identification of Marxism with Stalinism. Concepts like "revolutionary
violence", "soviets", "democratic centralism", etc. were thoroughly
compromised and undermined by the betrayals of Stalinism.
A Marxist movement must develop an international revolutionary program
based on the history of past struggles of the working class and on its
own history in the class struggle. It is certainly not enough to shout
RRRRRRevolutionary slogans, swear on a stack of Transitional Programs
or carry icons of Marx and Lenin.
Such a program must be developed as part of the patient education in
the working class; it must be reflected in the propaganda of the party
press. It is through the party newspaper that the movement is talking
to workers in their everyday struggles.
But when one looks through the Workers Vanguard one is immediately
struck by its insanely distorted view of the world. The political
campaigns of SL are a caricature of Trotskyism: e.g. their defence of
the "socialist" porno movie starlet, their applause for the Stalinist
suppression of Polish Solidarity or of the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan, their continuous reference to the Stalinist army as
"Red", etc.
Whenever they refer to strike or labor struggle in the US they
celebrate union militancy as if it were the magical panacea for the
working class. At the same time they neglect to mention the betrayal
conducted daily by the trade union bureaucracy or to discuss the
bankruptcy of a national union militancy in the period of the world
crisis of capitalism and of the multinational corporation. Right now
the SL is conducting a campaign to defend a jailed Black nationalist.
But a few years ago they applauded the middle class subway rider in
New York who became terrified of some black hooligans, pulled out a
gun and shot four of them right on the train.
The Spartacist League is a very subjective middle class outfit. Their
zigzags and wild publicity stunts (dressing in Civil War outfits or
organizing the Yuri Andropov brigade) prevent the workers from
learning anything.
On the theoretical level it must be classed with the Pabloites who
diverged from Trotskyism in the direction of Stalinism. SL does not
distinguish between the revolutionary progressive violence of Trotsky
and Lenin and the counterrevolutionary violence of
Stalin-Brezhnev-Gorbachev. In Russia today, the supporters of SL flirt
with the various nationalist "bolshevik" groups and despite their loud
shouting about fascism are themselves drawn in that direction.
You ought to investigate the history of LaRouche and the National
Caucus of Labor Committees. The Spartacist League resembles them to an
astonishing degree.
I am a supporter of the International Committee of the Fourth
International and its co-thinker in the USA, the Workers League. You
might want to check out the newspaper of the WL, the International
Workers Bulletin and also read David North's book The Heritage We
Defend which is a history of Trotskyism since Trotsky's death.
I wish you success in your Marxist education.
........................................................................
[All of the above including: "I am a supporter of the International
Committee of the Fourth International (which is communist as in
COMINTERN) and its co-thinker in the USA, the Workers League."
comes from a MIT professor and is available from the MIT server! What
other proof is needed! Tavish]
~~~~~ End of Archive~~~~~~
More on The Fourth International:
INTERNATIONAL BOLSHEVIK TENDENCY
WHO WE ARE:
http://www.bolshevik.org/what_is.html
(excerpt)
The International Bolshevik Tendency (IBT) is a revolutionary
socialist organization founded by former cadres of the international
Spartacist tendency (today the International Communist League). The
following text is excerpted from the document "For Trotskyism!,"
published in 1917 (No. 3, Spring 1987):
Trotskyism is the revolutionary Marxism of our time--the political
theory derived from the distilled experience of over a
century-and-a-half of working-class communism. It was verified in a
positive sense in the October Revolution in 1917, the greatest event
in modern history, and generally negatively since. After the
bureaucratic strangulation of the Bolshevik Party and the Comintern by
the Stalinists, the tradition of Leninism--the practice and program of
the Russian Revolution--was carried forward by the Left Opposition and
by it alone.
[ ... ]
The Trotskyist movement was born in a struggle for revolutionary
internationalism against the reactionary/utopian conception of
"Socialism in One Country." The necessity of revolutionary
organization on an international basis derives from the organization
of capitalist production itself. Revolutionists on each national
terrain must be guided by a strategy which is international in
dimension--and that can only be elaborated by the construction of an
international working-class leadership. To the patriotism of the
bourgeoisie and its social-democratic and Stalinist lackeys, the
Trotskyists counterpose Karl Liebnecht's immortal slogan: "The Main
Enemy is At Home!" We stand on the basic programmatic positions
adopted by the 1938 founding conference of the Fourth International,
as well as the first four congresses of the Communist International
and the revolutionary tradition of Marx, Engels, Lenin,
Luxemburg and Trotsky.
[ ... ]
We urgently seek to participate in a process of international
regroupment of revolutionary cadres on the basis of the program of
authentic Trotskyism, as a step toward the long overdue rebirth of the
Fourth International, World Party of Socialist Revolution.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Look where their American Branch is!
New York
Box 385,
Cooper Station
New York, NY
10276 USA
(212) 533-9869
==============================
More on Marxists and the Fourth International:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346804618
Subject: Neo-Stalinism vs. Bolshevism (was Re: Solidarity with
Cuba) [long]
From: Marxist Workers' Group <worker...@earthlink.net>
Date: 1998/04/22
Message-ID: <353E7FF9...@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
[...]
"In supporting the colonial country or the USSR in a war, the
proletariat does not in the slightest degree solidarize either with
the bourgeois government of the colonial country or with the
Thermidorian bureaucracy of the USSR. On the contrary, it maintains
full political independence from the one as from the other. Giving aid
in a just and progressive war, the revolutionary proletariat wins the
sympathy of the workers in the colonies and in the USSR, strengthens
there the authority and influence of the Fourth International, and
increases its ability to help overthrow the bourgeois government in
the colonial country, the reactionary bureaucracy in the USSR." (L.D.
Trotsky, "The Struggle Against Imperialism and War", Transitional
Program, 1938)
[...]
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Marxist Apologist Allan Matthews having diarrhea of the mouth:
>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/index.html
Communist Party USA Sympathy," yet this page has nothing
whatsoever to do with the U of M. Looks like Scottie's lying again.
>Here is another college campus condoning and spreading communism:
Hey Scottie, campuses are nothing but buildings and grounds. A
campus can't condon or spread anything, except maybe crabgrass.
Your pathetic grasp of English once again makes it clear that you
certainly didn't have the mental capacity to get through the 6th
grade.
>http://global-reach.com/cp-minn/intellec.html
Once again, this URL is on a commerical (oh, the irony...) server, not
on a U. of M. machine. It also doesn't bill itself as an official U.
of M. page or site. How clueless Scottie here therefore infers that
the U. of M. has CPUSA sympathies is not at all clear.
>Statement by the University of Minnesota Committee of CPUSA
Except for the inclusion of the U. of M. name in the title of this
page, there is no evidence at all that this page is related to U. of
M. at all.
[Scottie's pointless copying of the contents of the above page
snipped]
Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
allan
--
~~~~~~~~~~ End of Posting~~~~~~~~~~~~
Doc Tavish
MY EVIDENCE:
[...]
~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~
Classes held on Wednesday evenings, 6‹7 pm, room 8-105
ZOG
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:29:32 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant Jewish
>Pro-Life organizations.
ROTFL!!! You have no "insight" on anything!
You still in denial, and haven't answered a bloody thing regarding your
continued violation of virtually every principal "Christians" are supposed
to hold dear. Then, having spit upon everything Jesus stood for, you have
the cheek to find fault in others, and blame ALL Jews for what a few may
have done, in some cases for incidents which happened thousands of years
ago! (All in direct violation of your own biblical mandates!)
All Tavish does is repost his brain-dead "proofs" over and over again,
ad nauseum. In effect, he has nothing to say at all. You know, I'm
almost starting to feel sorry for him. (Look at that! I'm a better
"Christian" than he is!) He can't think independently, can't carry on
a debate, or deviate outside the rigid lines of his cobbled-together
"logical" arguments and "undeniable" proofs.
Of course, there is one thing that Tavish has "undeniable proof" of:
Better stay in school, kids!
Doc Tavish
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330691099
Subject: LifeSite Daily News - Mar 3, 1998
From: CFL <j...@INTERLOG.COM>
Date: 1998/03/04
Message-ID:
<Pine.BSI.3.95.980304...@shell1.interlog.com>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.catholic
[...]
______________________________
U.S. PRO-LIFER WINS COURT CASE
NEWARK, New Jersey, Mar 3 (LSN) - US District Judge Maryanne Barry
ruled yesterday that pro-abortion activist Alice Hand must pay
pro-life sidewalk counsellor Janet Greenhut $10,000 for making death
threats. Ironically the suit was made under the 1994 Freedom of Access
to Clinic Entrances Act, a law enacted by pro-abortion legislators to
restrict the free-speech and free-assembly rights of pro-lifers.
In 1995, Mrs. Greenhut, a volunteer for Birthright in Maywood, where
she drove pregnant young women to prenatal appointments, was issued
death threats in two midnight phone calls. According to the police
transcript of a tape from Mrs. Greenhut^=D2s answering machine, Hand
threatened, ''Janet, get your pro-lifers away from our clinics or we
will kill you.'' She called back later to say, ''You will be killed."
Mrs. Greenhut's attorney first sent a copy of her case to federal
officials, hoping they would file suit on her behalf, but to no avail.
Mrs. Greenhut then brought the case forward on her own.
**************************************************************************
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Contents may be freely reproduced provided source is noted
LifeSite Daily News archived at http://www.lifesite.net
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Also see:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=337442651
Subject: Finally, a just decision!
From: sw...@australia.net.au (Shamona & Lara)
Date: 1998/03/25
Message-ID: <swami-25039...@m362-241.ans.com.au>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) wrote:
>FACE is Jewish in its conception! Read the following evidence!
-----
Doc Tavish
On 30 Apr 1998 14:54:27 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:29:32 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant Jewish
>>Pro-Life organizations.
>
>ROTFL!!! You have no "insight" on anything!
Hey ZOG, in regard to your title:
"Tavish's Psychopathy About Jews Could Possibly Be A Deep Seated
Jealousy Of His Betters!" - why on Earth should any Gentile be jealous
of such losers that have even been disowned by their G-d? Your people
are the envious ones! You can't deny it ZOG- your Temple is still in
ruins and the non-Jews are daily hissing at you to bring the reprocah
home time and time again!
Lurkers; Open or click this link to get more info about Jews being
disowned by G-d and it is all scriptures too!
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=348804100
Subject: >Poor Bob Alpert is in Such Denial About Being Stripped
Completely of His "Jewish Kingdom" Over the Gentiles!<
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date: 1998/04/29
Message-ID: <35476ae8....@news.tavish-central.net>
(Partial excerpt):
Remember lurkers: Bob = ZOG
Matthew 24:1,2 (English-RSV)
1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to
point out to him the buildings of the temple.
2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say
to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will
not be thrown down."
As we all know the temple has been in ruins since 70 AD. This should
be obvious that the Pharisees and their decendents did not have God's
favor and to this very hour do not have God's favor!
How come the Jews' Temple is Still in ruin Bob if your Sons of Belial
are still the Chosen? There is a big fat lie somewhere wouldn't you
think?
Here is more on the Temple's Destruction and the vomiting of Jews from
the land:
THE TEMPLE INUAGURATION AND GOD'S STATEMENT
1 Kings 9:3-9 (English-RSV):
3 And the LORD said to him [King Solomon], "I have heard your prayer
and your supplication, which you have made before me; I have
consecrated this house which you have built, and put my name there for
ever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.
4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father
walked, with integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to
all that I have commanded you, and keeping my statutes and my
ordinances,
5 then I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I
promised David your father, saying, 'There shall not fail you a man
upon the throne of Israel.'
6 But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and
do not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before
you, but go and serve other gods and worship them,
7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them;
and the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of
my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all
peoples.
8 And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it
will be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the
LORD done thus to this land and to this house?'
9 Then they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God who
brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other
gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has
brought all this evil upon them.'"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How does this hit you ZOG? " I will cut off Israel from the land which
I have given them; and the house which I have consecrated for my name
I will cast out of my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a
byword among all peoples. And this house will become a heap of ruins;
everyone passing by it will be astonished, and will hiss; and they
will say, 'Why has the LORD done thus to this land and to this
house?'"
Right now there are millions upon millions laughing their asses off
at your calamity and I am one of them! ROTFLMAO big time too! You
bastards still think you're The Chosen[TM] but you are nothing but
rubble of what used to be and refuse needing to be assigned to the ash
heap of history along with all of your radical in your face activism
and the socialism/communism you seem to carry every where!
Face it Bob, your tribe is all mouth and bluster- their own G-d has
left them and their Temple in ruins. I know why all of you are such
miserable and pathetic pukes to this day- I would be too if I KNEW God
had abandoned me and had given what was mine to others!
Bob, you are mentally disturbed and you should really seek the aid of
a good counselor. Don't get a Jewish one either. You two will wind up
wallowing in all of your combined miseries and off each other! On the
other hand Bob, seek a Jewish counselor!
~~~~ End of Archival Posting~~~~~
On 29 Apr 1998 23:09:57 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:02:47 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>[the usual assorment of lies, distortions, and hate-filled bigotry]
It is not lies and distortions if it is documented and true.
I.E.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c103query.html
February 3, 1993
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senate:
http://bnaibrith.org/pan/105congress2.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gist of bills:
AN ACT
SECTION l. SHORT TITLE.
`(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES- Whoever--
`(c) CIVIL ACTIONS-
SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.
SEC. 4. CLERICAL AMENDMENT.
Attest:
Clerk.
~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~
[...]
[...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Doc Tavish
................................................................................................................
"Eye for eye, wound for wound, and blow for blow..(Ex 21:24,25)" Jews
haven't received one thing they haven't already dealt out to others.
NWT cited above for scripture.
Doc Tavish
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:10:30 -0400, allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan
Matthews) wrote:
>[admitted habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie's oft-posted and oft-debunked
>spew snipped as it was nothing new.]
Can't refute it can you Marxist bastard? It's easier for vermin such
as you to snip rather than trying to deal with what follows. BTW
Marxist just go look in my DejaNews Author's Profile to see how far
and wide I'm broadcasting my seed. You only are hurting yourself and
digging your own hole much deeper. I'm only glad to bury you!
>I said it before and I'll say it again:
>
>>Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
>>any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
Let us see your honesty and reasoning ability displayed in refuting
the documented evidence below. Are you only but a spin doctor and
propagandist? Yes, you are!
>allan
Let Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews answer for this:
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
Society:
Where Judaism and Liberalism Part
by Rabbi Nachum Braverman
Aish HaTorah Los Angeles
It’s often considered axiomatic that Jews are politically liberal.
This impression has some basis in fact. In 1991, the National Jewish
Community Relations Council (NJCRC) identified the public agenda of
the Jewish community as activism on behalf of Israel, and Soviet and
Ethiopian Jewry, as well as "social and economic justice." ...
[ ... ]
Though many Jews are liberal this no more makes liberalism the Jewish
agenda than the prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism
the Jewish agenda.
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
This Rabbi is really a hoot. Look how he dodges the "prominence" of
Jews among the Bolsheviks. Hilarious- simply hilarious. Deny, deny,
deny! Tavish
More in the same manner as above:
Look what JEWISHAMERICA.COM has even admitted about Jewry:
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
Haskala Jews splinter into several groups which are fueled by diverse
ideologies. Some form a culture group that is based upon a Jewish
language. Some form a Hebrew Haskala; others form a Yiddish Haskala.
Some make Russian culture and citizenship into an ideal. Others join
the growing number of people who are against social and economic
inequality. They join the struggle to obtain rights for the exploited
labor class, which turns into Socialism. Others will become Secular
Zionists. ^^^^^^^
The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against
traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and
assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau
of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters.....
A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel
their energy into creating a home land of their own.
Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution
of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used
civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Note again that www.jewishamerica.com actually admits: "The Russian
Revolution of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist
government and it will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tavish
Here is even more:
"Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
common enemies" (Univ. Jewish Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
Russian Bolshevik party.
In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
824-827).
"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a conspicuous
part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the
Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew.
Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however,
are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
movement was well understood in Russia. "The White Armies which
opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks
as common enemies" (Univ. Jewish Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=288129033
Subject: The Russian Revolution: Still inspiring after 80 years
From: sc...@rednet.org (Peoples Weekly World)
Date: 1997/11/09
Message-ID: <6453cc$12tm$1...@news.missouri.edu>
Originator: ri...@pencil.math.missouri.edu
*The Russian Revolution: Still inspiring after 80 years**
(Reprinted from the November 8, 1997 issue of the People's
Weekly World. May be reprinted or reposted with PWW credit.
For subscription information see below)
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
The Bolshevik Party (later the Communist Party) was the
party of the industrial workers in Russia. Its allies were
the parties representing the peasants, especially the poor
and landless peasants. With virtually all of the other
political parties and classes against them, the new
government turned to the working class to run the
government and the economy.
The new government immediately implemented their
revolutionary program - land to the peasants, an eight-hour
day for the workers, and peace from the bloody slaughter of
WWI. Equality of all nationalities was proclaimed.
Many Russian Jews, including my great-grandparents, had
earlier fled the Russian empire where they were forbidden
to own land, pursue professions or live in cities, and were
victims of the Russian version of the Ku Klux Klan.
After the revolution, all legal restrictions were
abolished, and the first Soviet President was a Jew, Yakov
Sverdlov. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[...]
************************************************************
Tired of the same old system: Join the Communist Party, USA
Info: CP...@rednet.org; or (212) 989-4994; or
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/cp-usa
************************************************************
More proof that Jewry is involved in Communism/Bolshevism:
http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=347041549
Subject: Communist Sympathizer Continues His Personal Assault in
the Name of His Jewish Masters! (was criminal Soviet smear "Sieg Heil"
Scottie displays his ignorance and pathological hatreds once again
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date: 1998/04/23
Message-ID: <353f7e28....@news.phoenix.net>
(The above was made for Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews)
Excerpts:
The first Chairman appointed to the Soviet State was a Jew, A Jew with
an alias of Trotsky.
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
Jews....
The March Revolution of 1917 caught him by surprise in New York City,
where he wrote for a Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May,
quickly assumed leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic
Interdistrict Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was
renamed) Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as
the most eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being
courted by Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its
Central Committee.
As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
revolution......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
More:
Let's review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
up and kill Jews."
I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
<Re-read the above about Trotsky, Soviets and what Dawidowicz's book
said!>
Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
Try:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
which states:
"Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924."
Let's see ol' Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
Architect of the Red Army too!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From the above we learned:
1) First president of the Soviet was a Jew named Yakov
Sverdlov.
2) First chairman of the Soviet state was a Jew named Lev Davidovich
Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky.
3) Head General of Red Army and leader of the Bolshevik Revolution was
the same as number 2!
4) Majority of "leaders: in the Revolution were Jews according to
JEWISHAMERICA.COM as stated: "The Russian
Revolution of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist
government and it will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews."
Name call all you wish you god damned Marxist son of a bitch but you
can't make the truth go away. Jews were the bloody Bolsheviks!
Click or open this link to see the other smear this Marxist does in
his denial that MIT is a Marxist recruiting center:
http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=348788970
Subject: MIT's Marxist Education on Campus! See Also the Profile
of a Marxist Apologist!
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date: 1998/04/29
Message-ID: <35475dfc....@news.tavish-central.net>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.newt,alt.fan.newt-gingrich
(BTW this has been posted to legions of news groups too!)
Marxists should all be tried for alienation, subversion, treason,
subterfuge , unAmerican activities and proving false to our
Constitutional Republic.
ZOG
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:33:40 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Jealousy Of His Betters!" - why on Earth should any Gentile be jealous
>of such losers that have even been disowned by their G-d? Your people
ROTFL!! Idiots such as yourself are the losers, Tavish! As we have
seen, there is simply no support in the NT for your bigoted, demented
ravings.
Not only that, according to your own propaganda we own or control
everything worth having! Quite an accomplishment for a tiny minory
who have been "abandoned" by God, eh? The "temple" may currently be
in ruins, but your own prophesies say it is going to be rebuilt. (Are
you saying you don't believe in them?) In the meantime there are synagogues
nearly everywhere!
On the other hand, you have nothing to say about the same deity whom
you claim has "abandoned Jews" sending killer tornadoes into the heart
of America's "Bible Belt" as we have recently seen. Of course that
does not fit into your twisted, Unchristian world view which says
"scour the Earth for anything remotely damaging to the Jews and ignore
the rest," even when you and your own kind are guilty of worse.
Also bear in mind that you are not going to "prove" anything to any
non-Christian by quoting or misquoting the New Testament, imbecile!
YOU are the one here that is supposed to be following the teachings of
the NT and the "New Covenant" (in addition to the old Mosaic Law which
was *not* done away with). As we have seen you utterly fail to do so.
This being the case, how can we possibly take any bible-thumping
you may do seriously?
Not to mention the fact that here you are, trying to change the subject
once again to divert attention away from the "Undeniable Proof" that you
yourself spit on Jesus' and the New Testament's teachings on a daily
basis! How you must hate Jesus to sneer at his philosophies worse than
any "Pharisee" would do. I have to hand it to you "Tavish," you have
turned hypocrisy into an art!
Do you really think that come "judgement day" a tiresome little creep
such as yourself who twists and distorts the scriptures, and refuses
to obey any of the commandments therein, is going to be welcomed into
the "Kingdom of Heaven?" You're going to be in for a rude awakening,
Tavish:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love you neighbor and
hate you enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your
Father in heaven. ..If you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing
that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you
doing more than the others? Do not even the pagans do that?
BE PERFECT, THEREFORE, AS YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT."
(Matthew 5:43-48) (Emphasis added)
Perfect? You don't even try!
So here's our own "Doc Tavish" acting like a pagan by the words of his own
bible! Don't like this verse much, do you? What's your excuse for not
practicing the commands in the Bible, "Doc"? Maybe your "righteousness"
is just like the "Pharisees" you so blindly hate against your saviour's
wishes? Have you forgotten the following:
"If I could speak in any language in heaven or on earth but
didn't love others, I would only be making a meaningless noise
like a loud gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I knew all the mysteries
of the future and knew everything about everything, but didn't
love others, what good would I be?
And if I had the gift of faith so that I could speak to a
mountain and make it move, without love I would be no good
to anybody.
If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed
my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn't love others,
I would be of no value whatsoever.
Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful
or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is
not irritable, and it keeps no record when it has been wronged.
It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth
wins out."
1 Corinthians 1:1-6, from the New Living Translation (NLT)
Where did Jesus say that loving your enemies only applies to the people
you pick and choose? We've been waiting for the answer to this, "Doc".
We're going to be waiting a long, long, time....
As we have already seen, throughout the NT, Jesus declares his
compassion for the Jews, and his desire to protect and shelter them,
rather than the hatred and retribution that Tavish and friends are
projecting onto him. We have also seen that according to the
scriptures, Judiasm is the root of Christianity and the old Mosaic laws
were not abandoned. Hardly sounds like being "abandoned by God," oh
raving one!
>Lurkers; Open or click this link to get more info about Jews being
>disowned by G-d and it is all scriptures too!
Scriptures taken out of context, and twisted to feed Doc's own serious
mental illnesses. There is so much in the NT that almost *anything*
can be "proven" via selective quotation. As we have already seen by
examining the scriptures in context you are just beating yourself over
the head with a dead horse! LOL!
Doc Tavish
On 30 Apr 1998 18:49:47 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:33:40 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>Jealousy Of His Betters!" - why on Earth should any Gentile be jealous
>>of such losers that have even been disowned by their G-d? Your people
>
>ROTFL!! Idiots such as yourself are the losers, Tavish! As we have
>seen, there is simply no support in the NT for your bigoted, demented
>ravings.
>
>Not only that, according to your own propaganda we own or control
>everything worth having!
Didn't the scriptures say that Satan will be misleading the entire
inhabited Earth? Well you just proved the point! What better way than
through the media! One thing kikes don't control yet is the Internet
but kikes are surely working on its control too!
>Quite an accomplishment for a tiny minory
>who have been "abandoned" by God, eh? The "temple" may currently be
>in ruins, but your own prophesies say it is going to be rebuilt. (Are
>you saying you don't believe in them?) In the meantime there are synagogues
>nearly everywhere!
This what the prophecy says:
The current crop of Pharisees does much knavery and huckstering with
the current Earthly, fleshly and defiled Jerusalem but what should
Christians believe about the current Jerusalem?
Galatians 4:21-31 (English-RSV)
21[Apostle Paul speaks] Tell me, you who desire to be under law, do
you not hear the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one
by a free woman.
23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son
of the free woman through promise.
24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from
Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present
Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
[Notice which Jerusalem is the mother of Christians? NOT the Earthly
Jerusalem that represents the Old Covenant made at Mount Sinai with
Moses.]
27 For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break
forth and shout, you who are not in travail; for the children of the
desolate one are many more than the children of her that is married."
28 Now we, brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh
persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now.
30 But what does the scripture say? "Cast out the slave and her son;
for the son of the slave shall not inherit with the son of the free
woman."
[What does verse 30 imply? Cast off the current fleshly Jeruslaem.]
31 So, brethren, we are not children of the slave but of the free
woman.
[Whose children are Christians? Earthly Jerusalem or the Jeruslaem
from above?]
Jerusalem from above descends when God establishes rigtheousness and
when Satan and all of his Spawn (Both Gentile and Pharisaic) are all
removed.
Revelation 21:2-4 (English-RSV)
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
3 and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the
dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall
be his people, and God himself will be with them;
4 he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no
more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more,
for the former things have passed away."
The Temple that Christians should look to is the heavenly one not some
"kike" Earthly one!
One more time for the hard headed Eternal Jew's sake:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The majority of us that know Demonic Pharasaic Filth[TM] when we see
it take heart to what was said: "...this house will become a heap of
ruins; everyone passing by it will be astonished, and will hiss.." We
are still laughing at the real losers!
R...@pantheon.global
Ya know, history is so strange. The Jews were the power behind the
Illuminati. And the Illuminati were the power behind the Nazies. Who
murdered their own people, the Jews.
Adolf was sacrificed because he was putting a stop to the hideous crimes
of the Jewish Illuminati who had infiltrated the Reiche.
This was why God rejected the Jewish nation and made the Born-Again
Christians the 'Isreal of God'.
Because the religios of Judiasm were the hiearchy of the Illuminati even
back then.
You must not underestimate the power of the Illuminati. They found the
trees of life and have used their extended lifespans to try to dominate
and control history.
There are three tv shows about this group now. One is 'The Highlander'
which displays the arrogance of extended life, and the penchant for
violance. As well as the divisions among the Illuminati whereby they try
to kill each other.
Another is 'Millinium' which describes how they try to control history.
And the third is 'Legacy House' which describes the occult nature of this
organization.
Study these three shows carefully. They depict in fiction format the
reality of this organization. And then try to imagine the level of power
they have over this earth.
Red, god of war, Pantheon Global
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There's an e-mail link at the bottom of the homepage.
Allan Matthews
[admitted habitual liar "Sieg Heil" Scottie's oft-posted and oft-debunked
spew snipped as it was nothing new.]
I said it before and I'll say it again:
>Once again "Sieg Heil" Scottie has demonstrated his complete lack of
>any sort of honesty or reasoning ability.
allan
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Yale F. Edeiken
> doc_tavish babbles on:
> On 30 Apr 1998 18:49:47 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
> >ROTFL!! Idiots such as yourself are the losers, Tavish! As we have
> >seen, there is simply no support in the NT for your bigoted, demented
> >ravings.
> >Not only that, according to your own propaganda we own or control
> >everything worth having!
> Didn't the scriptures say that Satan will be misleading the entire
> inhabited Earth?
Indeed. And who but the spamming "tavish" has been exposed as
twisting and distorting his "scriptures"? Who but the bigoted "Tavish" has been
exposed as failing to follow the specific words of his own Saviour? Who but the
mailbombing "Tavish" has consistently ducked explaining which of the ten
commandments (other than that against bearing false witness which "Tavish" has
flung down and danced upon) he feels no need to follow?
The answer in each case is "just the 'Tavish.'"
--YFE
The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cyberlibrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <35488d87....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
Lies" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
> [...deletia...]
Still unable to cope with the proof of his forgeries and lies, Poor Ol'
Gutless Scottie continues to spam the Net with irrelevant reposts. Talk
about your meltdowns...
Jeffrey G. Brown
Joseph Hertzlinger
In <3548a685....@news.tavish-central.net>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>As we all know the temple has been in ruins since 70 AD. This should
>be obvious that the Pharisees and their decendents did not have God's
>favor and to this very hour do not have God's favor!
>
>How come the Jews' Temple is Still in ruin Bob if your Sons of Belial
>are still the Chosen? There is a big fat lie somewhere wouldn't you
>think?
God wants to spare us of the trouble of sacrificing goats. As soon as
the Temple is rebuilt we will be required to get our hands bloody.
BTW, if we weren't chosen we would have disappeared.
>I challenge anyone to name any mainline Jewish organization that has a
>pronounced Pro-Life agenda! B'nai B'rith all the way down are
>pro-death. Will anyone explain how some Jews who are supposed to value
>life so much can condone such monstrous acts?
Toward Tradition.
>I am open to input!
No, you're not.
ZOG
>The current crop of Pharisees does much knavery and huckstering with
ROTFL!
Your so-called "argument" only "proves" that you will have to wait until
"kingdom come" to get your "reward". Paul doesn't say anything about
attacking the "earthly city of Jerusalem", and your idea that it can be
supported by this text is laughable in the extreme!
What's worse, you've dragged this passage totally out of context and
misinterpreted it so badly even a non-scholar can see it! (Of course
given your already proven history of doing this, it comes as no surprise.)
In Galatians, Paul is talking about righteousness under the law as opposed
to righteousness that comes by faith. That's it! There's absolutely NOTHING
in this passage that can justify your hatred of Jews. You're blatantly
reading your own black-hearted malice into the text.
Even ignoring for a moment the fact that you continue to twist and disobey
virtually *all* of Jesus' teachings, your pathetic "exegesis" is laughable!
Now your "lurkers" will see a "Talmudic Pharisee" show you how responsible
exegesis is done. Even an "unbeliever" can easily follow Paul's arguments.
For that matter, *anyone* with half a brain can plainly see what Paul is
saying. (Guess this leaves you out, "Doc!")
I'll let you in on a little secret, "Doc". Paul taught that Judaism
is the true root of Christianity. In fact, in Pauline theology,
Christianity hasn't replace Judaism, but only shares in its blessings.
In fact, any "theology" that claims the Jews are cut off from God
has to chop out this entire chapter from the book of Romans! Comments
on Biblical passages are in brackets ("[]")...
In Romans chapter 11 Paul explains:
1 I ask then, Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite
myself, a descendent of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
[Paul says God didn't reject his people. He is, in fact, a Jew himself
and "living proof" that God has not turned his back on the Jews.]
2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what
the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah -- how he appealed to
God against Israel:
3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am
the only one left, and they are trying to kill me."
4 And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven
thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
[Elijah similarly thought that all of Israel was rejected. But God denies
it. God says that he's saved a remnant for himself. This is a very
important concept in the book of Romans -- God chooses Jacob, but rejects
Esau. Why? Because God says so, that's why! These "chosen" people are
the "elect" or "remnant" in Paul's terminology. Paul is saying that it
looks like all the Jews are cut off, but God actually has a remnant.]
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace
would no longer be grace.
[People can't "earn" inclusion in God's group of chosen people. It's
a free gift from God. If God doesn't give you that free ticket to get
in, you don't get in. (Incidentally, if a person *wants* grace,
forgiveness, mercy, or whatever you call it, it's an indication
that they're "in".)]
7 What then? What Israel so earnestly sought it did not obtain, but the
elect did. The others were hardened,
[Some of the Jews are like Jacob, some of them are like Esau. Some are
chosen by God, the others are excluded (for the time being, as we shall
see). NOTE: This is the point at which rabid antisemites such as Tavish
like to stop reading!]
8 as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so they
could not see and ears so they could not hear, to this very day."
9 And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a
stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs
be bent forever."
11 Again I ask, Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at
all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to
the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
[Paul says this situtation isn't permanent. This isn't the end of the
story for the Jews!]
12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss
means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their
fullness bring!
[Because some of the Jews are temporarily excluded, the Gentiles are
discovering God's mercy and grace. But things will get even better when
the Jews are included again!]
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the
Gentiles, I make much of my ministry
14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save
some of them.
15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will
their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the
whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
[The Jews are the "firstfruits", the choice offering that makes all of the
"elect" holy. In other words, the "church" is holy only because it's
part of God's original chosen people, the root. The "tree," or whatever
you want to call it, hasn't been uprooted! The "church" isn't a new
plant that takes the place of the old plant, it's only branches that
have been *added* to the plant.]
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild
olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in
the nourishing sap from the olive root,
18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do
not support the root, but the root supports you.
[Once again, the root, the Jews, are the original "elect" people of God.
Other people are just joined to this group, not distinct from it. Other
people only share in the blessings of this group, they don't replace it.
So don't get "boastful" about being part of the group! Yet another of
a long string of Biblical commands ignored by morons like Tavish.]
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be
grafted in."
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand
by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you
either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: Sternness to
those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in
his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for
God is able to graft them in again.
24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature,
and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how
much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into
their own olive tree!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you
may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until
the full number of Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will
come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
[This is an incredible statement, one that many people try to explain
away by saying that "all Israel" means Gentiles and Jews combined. That's
a nice thought, but not accurate considering the context, especially verse
25 where he says "Israel has experienced a hardening in part." Every
other place where Paul says "Israel" he means "Jews." Paul is saying that
all the Jews will be saved along with the full number of Gentiles.]
27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
[Do you remember what the rest of this passage is, Tavish? This is a
direct quote from Jeremiah, that says, "I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my
people..." The moral and ethical demands of God's law will *always* be
in effect. See what Jesus says in Matt. 5:17-20.]
Added references above.
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account;
but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the
patriarchs,
29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
[The promises, the covenants, to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob are still in
effect. God himself called it "an everlasting covenant" numerous times.
Unless God is a liar, that is! See Genesis 17:7; 17:19; 2 Samuel 23:5;
1 Chronicles 16:14-18; Psalm 105:8-11; etc.]
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received
mercy as a result of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now
receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have
mercy on them all.
[Amazingly, God treats all men equally even though he chose Israel as
his special people. God gives *everyone* a chance to share in the blessings.
This, of course, is the message of the gospel. There are other passages
where Paul talks about "the mystery that was hidden from the ages," that
mystery being that *Gentiles are included in God's people*. Colossians
1:26,27.]
-----
In addition:
Here's an interesting segment about the religous ideas of Judaism, as
noted in International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Sin: Sin is a violation of the revealed will of God, whether by
omission or by commission. Yet the grace of God is dominant. In
modern Judaism the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, is the time when
each person take account of what he or she has done in the past
year, genuinely repents of the sin, and believes that God is also
taking such accounting.
This, of course, is in direct denial of Tavish's demented ravings about
"Talmudic Pharisees", the imaginary people he thinks are so worried about
keeping every little detail of the law so they can get God's approval.
Instead, it proves that Jews recognise that they must depend on God's
mercy and grace. It makes Jews even more like Christians than someone
like Tavish could ever admit! It means that Jews have understood the idea
of forgiveness and grace (which means "unmerited or unearned favor") all
along -- an idea of which Tavish displays no comprehension of at all!
BTW, "Doc," you'll probably be happy to hear that this is the last detailed
expose of your hypocritical ravings I'll have time for, at least for a little
while. (I'm sure you won't mind an occasional short reminder of your
hypocrisy, however...) Seems like only yesterday you were so happy to have
my "full attention" -- then suddenly you started coming up with retorts such
as "gas yourself!" Tsk, tsk, so Unchristian! What happened? Don't like
being exposed in no uncertain terms for a vile hypocrite, eh?
We have by now certainly all seen sufficient evidence from your own Holy
Bible to realize that you are far more Anti-Christ and Unchristian
than the Jews you attempt to smear, and that your hate-filled tomes violate
both the spirit and the letter of every major command handed down by Jesus
and Christianity. We have learned that Jesus did not hate the "Pharisees,"
but instead wept in concern over them. We have learned that Judiasm is
the root of Christianity, and that the old Mosaic Law was built upon,
not abandoned. This is all fully archived for retrieval from Deja News
should anyone care to review the gory details.
The really laughable thing, "Doc," is that most Jews are more "Christian"
than you are by a long shot -- and YOU are the one who is going to have a
lot of explaining to do to the Almighty come "judgment day." Throughout
this entire pleasant little exchange you have not once addressed the issue
of when or if you plan actually following the commands and teachings of Jesus
and the Apostles, and stop twisting and misusing Scripture for your ignoble
hate-filled agenda. I would not want to be in YOUR shoes when the time comes
to face the Living God and explain yourself.
chameleon88
>>> BTW if whites were not the chosen race they would have disappeared.
What logic?
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote in message <6ibhi8$l...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>...
>>be obvious that the Pharisees and their decendents did not have God's
>>favor and to this very hour do not have God's favor!
>>
>>How come the Jews' Temple is Still in ruin Bob if your Sons of Belial
>>are still the Chosen? There is a big fat lie somewhere wouldn't you
>>think?
>
>the Temple is rebuilt we will be required to get our hands bloody.
>
>BTW, if we weren't chosen we would have disappeared.
>
>>pronounced Pro-Life agenda! B'nai B'rith all the way down are
>>pro-death. Will anyone explain how some Jews who are supposed to value
>>life so much can condone such monstrous acts?
>
>
>>I am open to input!
>
>
chameleon88
>>Fag boy Alpert this filthy coward will kick your wimpy ass. I have seen
you and you are about the weakess fag I have ever seen. A ten year old girl
could kick your cum sluping jew ass. But you know yourself what a sissy you
are. You better watch your ass, and try removing that dildo while your at
it.
ZOG wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 1 May 1998 03:34:05 -0500, a filthy coward hiding behind
"chameleon88" spewed:
>>>>> BTW if whites were not the chosen race they would have disappeared.
>>What logic?
>
>(Aside, of course, from our current efforts in this area which in
>the long run will be much more effective than your crude tactics.)
>
>What morons these white power rangers are. No wonder it was so easy
>for us to take over! LOL!
>
>88961!
>
>--
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doc Tavish
On 1 May 1998 12:53:41 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
Solid Proof the Bolshevik Revolution and Bolshevism Came From Jews:
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Here is even more:
Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
[...]
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Excerpts:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
More:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
which states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
................................................................................................................
ZOG
On Fri, 01 May 1998 14:53:09 GMT, Doc Tavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Solid Proof the Bolshevik Revolution and Bolshevism Came From Jews:
Of course, as always, "Doc" makes a pathetic attempt at forgery and ignores
the simple and obvious fact that the worst tyrants who engaged in mass
slaughter in the name of "Communism" were Gentiles.
Or do you believe Stalin and Mao were Jewish? Of course we have seen
that your own scriptures demand that only those who actually commit
crimes be held responsible for them. You conveniently ignore this.
(Since we have already established that you spit on Biblical principals
that do not support your twisted, hate-filled agenda this comes as no
particular surprise.)
How many Jews were involved in the upper echelons of the Soviet Communist
Party? How were Jews treated in the Soviet Union? How many Jews run
the Chinese Communist Party? If there were any Jews in these organizations
at all what would that have to do with anyone else given your clear Biblical
mandate to only punish those personally responsible?
Of course, you also conveniently ignore the historical fact that Jews were
directly responsible for Christianity. And just look at all the bloodshed
your kind have been responsible for in the name of your Jewish "Prince of
Peace!" Of course you don't like talking about this. Why? Because it
shows you up for the lying hypocrite that you are! (Shall we hold you
personally responsible for the many atrocities committed by goyim, Tavish?
Feel like taking the rap for the Crusades today? Maybe for genocide
against the American Indians?)
Looks like our primary "sin" in this regard is giving you braindead morons
ideas that you can't handle without resorting to violence and bloodshed on
a mass scale.
--
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Doc Tavish
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Here is even more:
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
[...]
Excerpts:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
More:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
which states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Doc Tavish
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Here is even more:
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
[...]
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Excerpts:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
More:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
which states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Doc Tavish
On 1 May 1998 04:45:11 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
>>The current crop of Pharisees does much knavery and huckstering with
>> ... ad nauseum ...
>
>ROTFL!
Solid Proof the Bolshevik Revolution and Bolshevism Came From Jews:
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Here is even more:
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
[...]
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Excerpts:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
More:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
which states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Doc Tavish
On 30 Apr 1998 18:49:47 GMT, i...@global.plantation.org (ZOG) wrote:
http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm
[ ... ]
~~~~~~~~ End~~~~~~~~~
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~
Here is even more:
By Arthur Perlo
[...]
[...]
From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Excerpts:
http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
More:
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
Try also:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
which states:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ZOG
[repetivive, asinine ary*n drivel snipped]
And as if some kind of pathetic, mindless robot, the Tavish creature keeps
posting and re-posting the same tired old drivel, without a single cogent
answer to anything that anyone might point out which gets in the way of his
blind hatred.
Like the knight in the Monty Python movie "Holy Grail" he keeps
sabre-rattling long after whittled down to almost nothing. Meanwhile
his "enemies" and "lurkers" alike just shake their heads in amazement
that anyone could be so dense and so uttlerly stupid, while still
remembering to breath. "Doc" loves to call others "mentally ill"
(bearing false witness!), but he makes it pretty obvious he's not
wrapped too tight himself. In fact, many of us are still trying to
figure out how he managed to get a computer and modem into the asylum...
Ian McKinney
In article <jeff_brown-30...@ip216.cincinnati8.oh.pub-
ip.psi.net>, jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
> In article <35488d87....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
> Lies" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> Still unable to cope with the proof of his forgeries and lies, Poor Ol'
> Gutless Scottie continues to spam the Net with irrelevant reposts. Talk
> about your meltdowns...
>
> JGB
I been reading this thread and while Doc usually posts referenced
material, you post nothing but character assasinations and other
nonsense.
I take that as an admission of defeat on your part.
The question is why you waste the bandwidth?
--
Regards,
Ian McKinney
Western Imperative Network
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
----------------------------------------------------------
The Incomparable Dr. Revilo Oliver
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america
David Duke
http://www.duke.org
Celts and Saxons Homepage
http://www.primenet.com/~lconley/index.html
Aryan Dating Page
http://www.adp.fptoday.com/
National Vanguard Books
http://www.natvan.com/
Afrikaner Resistance Movement
http://home.intekom.com/rsa/
Stormfront White Nationalist Center
http://www.stormfront.org/
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
http://www.ddc.net/ygg/
Ernst Zundel - Free Speech Advocate
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/index.html
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <MPG.fb60adbc...@news.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net
(William Scott, wearing his 'Ian McKinney' sock puppet) wrote:
>In article <jeff_brown-30...@ip216.cincinnati8.oh.pub-
>ip.psi.net>, jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>> In article <35488d87....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>> Lies" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>>
>> > [...deletia...]
>>
>> Still unable to cope with the proof of his forgeries and lies, Poor Ol'
>> Gutless Scottie continues to spam the Net with irrelevant reposts. Talk
>> about your meltdowns...
>>
>> JGB
>
>I been reading this thread and while Doc usually posts referenced
>material...
Yup... 'referenced material' that consistently fails to support Poor Ol'
Gutless Scottie's poorly-formed theses. And it is posted over and over and
over again, in response to articles that have nothing to do with said
poorly-formed theses. It's called 'spam'.
>...you post nothing but character assasinations and other
>nonsense.
The 'other nonsense' Mr. Scott refers to is evidence of Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie's use of lies and forgeries to smear those who point out the
gaping holes in his alleged 'arguments'.
>I take that as an admission of defeat on your part.
As with Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie himself, Mr. Scott is adept at finding
'proof' of his viewpoint where none exists.
Show us where I make "an admission of defeat", Mr. Scott. Cite the post in
which I explicitly admit defeat. Your interpretations are worthless.
>The question is why you waste the bandwidth?
The question is, why does William Scott continue to hide behind a
pseudonym like his colleague Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie? And why is he blind
to the massive output of spam by said Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie?
JGB
Doc Tavish
On Sun, 03 May 1998 13:13:29 GMT, i...@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>In article <jeff_brown-30...@ip216.cincinnati8.oh.pub-
>ip.psi.net>, jeff_...@bigfoot.com says...
>> In article <35488d87....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
>> Lies" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>>
>> > [...deletia...]
>>
>> Still unable to cope with the proof of his forgeries and lies, Poor Ol'
>> Gutless Scottie continues to spam the Net with irrelevant reposts. Talk
>> about your meltdowns...
>>
>> JGB
>I been reading this thread and while Doc usually posts referenced
>material, you post nothing but character assasinations and other
>nonsense.
>
>I take that as an admission of defeat on your part.
>
>The question is why you waste the bandwidth?
Jeffrey is attempting the old Soviet trick of muddying the waters and
he hopes to cover over my posts in the archives with his garbage. I
have, since the realization of his tactic, resorted to posting as a
reply to his crap my documented material and/or his NAMBLA
obssessions. Once he finally gets it into his head that his methods
won't work he'll leave. What is humorous is the way he and his ran
around like chickens with their heads cut off when I said he's in
Florida! They were a hoot and I have positive evidence that he's in
Florida now and I've noticed that he hasn't replied to it either. I
just wonder how long he will keep up his shenanigans.
Tavish
>--
>Regards,
>Ian McKinney
>Western Imperative Network
>http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>The Incomparable Dr. Revilo Oliver
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america
>
>David Duke
>http://www.duke.org
>
>Celts and Saxons Homepage
>http://www.primenet.com/~lconley/index.html
>
>Aryan Dating Page
>http://www.adp.fptoday.com/
>
>National Vanguard Books
>http://www.natvan.com/
>
>Afrikaner Resistance Movement
>http://home.intekom.com/rsa/
>
>Stormfront White Nationalist Center
>http://www.stormfront.org/
>
>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>http://www.ddc.net/ygg/
>
>Ernst Zundel - Free Speech Advocate
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/index.html
To see who the official poster boy
for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
The Brown Predator
The Pesky and Very Boring Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to
spew his hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his
sanitarium where a safe supply of socialist drugs are available from
nice, unassuming, Jewish psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of
Jeffrey's hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
The Brown Predator
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35473e03....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
> Lies" Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> >Brown) wrote:
> >
> >http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=346882455
> >Subject: >Democratic Socialists of America Revisited (For Your
> >Files!)<
> >
> >http://www.dsausa.org/dsa/index.html
>
> Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of course. I have written nothing of
> the sort.
>
> >To see who the official poster boy
> >for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
> >http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
>
> The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
> use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
> in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
>
> So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
>
> JGB
>
> --
The Brown Predator
The Pesky and Very Boring Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to spew his
hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his sanitarium where
a safe supply of socialist drugs are available from nice, unassuming, Jewish
psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of Jeffrey's hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35473dc1....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
> Lies" Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> >Brown) wrote:
> >
> >On 28 Apr 1998 21:25:03 GMT, mswi...@magenta.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael
> >R. Swishart) wrote:
> >
> >>follow-ups trimmed
> >>
> >>In article <353e7b13....@news.phoenix.net>,
> >>Reginald Higham Cornelius McTavish <doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Let us first examine what "Talmudic Pharisaic Jews" are.
> >>>From their own writings we have this information to give us an overall
> >>>definition:
The Brown Predator
The Pesky and Very Boring Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to spew his
hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his sanitarium
where a safe supply of socialist drugs are available from nice, unassuming,
Jewish psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of Jeffrey's hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35473f7a....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
> Lies" Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> >Brown) wrote:
> >
> >http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=297081576.1
> >Subject: Re: REAGAN was Right - REAGAN Saw True
> >From: yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
> >Date: 1997/12/11
> >Message-ID: <66ndbm$r...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
> >
> >In <66n31s$n...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> yas...@ix.netcom.com
> >Mary E Knadler) writes:
> >
> >If so, it is reasonable that these experts would have foreseen the
> >inevitable collapse.
The Brown Predator
The Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to spew his
hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his sanitarium where a
safe supply of socialist drugs are available from nice, unassuming, Jewish
psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of Jeffrey's hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35462c89...@news.phoenix.net>, Scott "Prince of Lies"
> Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >>And to think just the other day Comrade Allan Sonofvitch Matthews you
> >>were trying to convince us that Jeffrey could be in California and now
> >>you are agreeing with me.
>
> And to think that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie still hasn't explained just how
> an EDT timestamp is proof positive that I'm located in Clearwater,
> Florida...
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=248757672
> >Subject: Further lies and evasions from Bradbury
> >From: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
> >Date: 1997/06/15
> >Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.zippo.com>
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >Now that that is settled, let us note that Bradbury has just tried and
> >failed to divert attention from the fact that the forgeries he's been
> >reposting originated at his ISP, and not mine.
>
> Of course, this whole 'Clearwater' tap-dance that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie
> is trying to entertain us with is simply another attempt to divert
> attention from his continued use of forgeries.
>
> >> > Here's some additional "documented and informative material": First, both
> >> > forgeries bear an offset in the timestamp of -0500 (mine are marked
> >> > -0400)... that, of course, is the correct offset for Central Time, and
> >> > matches nicely with Bradbury's location in Texas. Second, whereas my posts
> >> > are marked as being generated with NewsWatcher 2.4.0, the forgeries that
> >> > Bradbury has been reposting were created with Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I)
> >> > -- just like Bradbury's own posts.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >I say that if Jeffrey reasoned that I am in the Central Time Zone with
> >a timestamp of -0500 and he declares that he is in the -0400 then I
> >would only conclude that he is in the Eastern Time Zone!
>
> ...Which would, of course, only tend to support the conclusion that the
> post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie so loves to cite is, in fact, a
> forgery, since it originated in the Central Time Zone.
>
> > [...deletia...]
The Brown Predator
The Pesky and Very Boring Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to spew
his hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his
sanitarium where a safe supply of socialist drugs are available from nice,
unassuming, Jewish psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of Jeffrey's
hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <3546d76f....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "I'm
> getting so desperate, I won't even bother forging the headers" Bradbury
> (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:05:14 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> >Brown) wrote:
> >
> >http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/880812_Abortion.html
> >
> >THE JEWISH STAR
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >JGB
>
> No one will be surprised to learn that I didn't write any of that. Poor
> Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying again, of course.
>
> What's revealing is that he's so completely incapable of answering the
> charges of being a liar, forger, misogynist, coward, etc. that he is now
> resorting to posting irrelevant material at random and pretending that
> it's a 'response'. Utterly pathetic...
The Brown Predator
The Pesky and Very Boring Jeffrey G. Brown Clone Continues to Spew
With words about the "coward" Scottie, Jeffrey G. Brown continues to spew his
hatred with compulsive-obsessive insanity, most likely from his sanitarium
where a safe supply of socialist drugs are available from nice, unassuming,
Jewish psychiatrists who stoke the insidious fires of Jeffrey's hatred.
A Message of Love Concerning The Jeffrey G. Brown Stalker
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> In article <35473ed5....@news.tavish-central.net>, Scott "Prince of
> Lies" Bradbury (doc_tavish@.bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:55:02 -0400, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> >Brown) wrote:
> >
> >The Leaders on the Assault on Tobacco:
>
> Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is lying, of coure -- I have written nothing of
> the kind.
>
> >To see who the official poster boy
> >for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
> >http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246998327
>
> The post that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie has cited is a known forgery. His
> use of this and other forgeries in his ongoing smear campaigns is detailed
> in the article at <http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326275113>.
>
> So much for the self-proclaimed "truth teller"...
>