Tavish Admits There Was a Holocaust!
ChuckF2323
Yeah,
but he is a Jew basher just the same. So tell me what's the big deal.
tavish has hit below the belt so much....who believes him?
Chuck
LET ANY DOUBTER,
IN ALL THE GENERATIONS TO COME,
CONTEMPLATE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE
TO LIVE IN A WORLD DOMINATED BY HITLER,
THE JAPANESE WARLORDS,
OR ANY OTHER CRUEL DICTATOR OR DESPOT.
Ira C. Eaker Commanding General,
United States Air Force
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>Your side denies toatlly that
>a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
>it!
Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <3367CA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>>
>> >Your side denies totally that
>> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
>> >it!
>>
>> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
>> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> [..deletia...]
>My use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words.
Uh huh. Having been caught out in another lie, Bradbury wishes to redefine
it as a "poor choice of words". No go. He made the assertion, and he's
still responsible for backing it up with facts.
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
way out of it is not an option.
Delbert Grady McTavish
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <3367CA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> >>
> >> >Your side denies totally that
> >> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
> >> >it!
> >>
> >> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
> >> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> >> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
> > [..deletia...]
>
> >My use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words.
>
> Uh huh. Having been caught out in another lie, Bradbury wishes to redefine
> it as a "poor choice of words". No go. He made the assertion, and he's
> still responsible for backing it up with facts.
>
> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
> He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
> way out of it is not an option.
Tavish responds:
You call it a lie and I call it a debate over words. Why does your side
avoid talking of the links between Jews and Communism or about how many
more people suffered and still are suffering worldwide under the Jewish
scheme of Communism? This to me is denial- denial of reality Jeffy poo!
Hence you still prove nada! (Nothing!)
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
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The post just before this post in the thread:
Subject:
Re: More Bradbury spewage (at least he didn't say sewage
Gunther!)
Date:
Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:40:24 -0500
From:
Phineas Tavish Huber <gues...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The Honorable Family of the Hubers
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism, alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.correct
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> >Your side denies totally that
> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
> >it!
>
> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
Tavish replies:
Jeffrey haven't I always said that you are my pal? In one post I said I
was forever your pal! Did I not? I will not lie to one of my pals! My
use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words. I wish that I
would have said, in effect (naturally speaking), "the opposition
sidesteps" instead of saying "the opposition denies." If you want to
call me a liar then take advantage of the moment Jeffrey- I won't fight
you BUT please remain a gentleman and not post this out of context! You
do understand the intent of my position now? Yes? No? They don't want to
discuss it!
Jeffrey is my pal forever and I really have hope for him! Maybe Glenda
too!
Tavish The True
BTW Jeffrey, is Glenda related to you? :-)
Jeffrey G. Brown
I don't need to prove anything -- not when we have Bradbury to prove for
us that when caught out in a blatant lie, he'll run for the cover of "a
very poor choice of words". Can't argue with him there... most lies I've
heard certainly qualify as "a very poor choice of words".
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
way out of it is not an option.
JGB
Matt Phelps Tavish
Tavish replies to Allan:
So you wish to join Jeffrey? Okay but why don't you at least try to
refute the premise of the original post which I have attached. Your and
Jeffrey's dancing around and not even an attempt at proving the content
of the documentation false can only make the lurker conclude that it is
true- which it is Allan. Come on Mr. Kung Fu quit quibbling and just
karate my work all to pieces! Show my great error in my research or just
be known as another Herman or Jeffrey- people who never deal with
refuting the premise!
Allan I will also include you in the challenge to Jeffrey. I asked this
question at the end of the post that he willfully butchered so it would
get lost in the thread BUT I archive! Here is the final question:
Tavish now asks Jeffrey (and Allan Matthews too!):
Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
"anti-Semitic", biased, and liars? Do you still wish to deny that
Communism was and is a Jewish phenomenon? Jeffrey, Communism has so much
more blood on its hands that it is pathetic and irresponsible to even
compare Communism and Nazism! The Jews have been responsible for much
more blood shed than the German Nazis and this can't be denied!
BTW Allan here is chance to show that you have more character than
Jeffrey or Glenda! Don't blow it!
---Start of Matthew's Original Name Calling---
Allan Matthews wrote:
>
> In article <jeff_brown-01...@news.zippo.com>, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> >In article <3367CA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> >
> >>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Your side denies totally that
> >>> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
> >>> >it!
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
> >>> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> >>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> >
> >> [..deletia...]
> >
> >>My use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words.
> >
> >Uh huh. Having been caught out in another lie, Bradbury wishes to redefine
> >it as a "poor choice of words". No go. He made the assertion, and he's
> >still responsible for backing it up with facts.
> >
> >Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> >occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
Tavish still maintains:
Jeffrey your and Matthews lack of refutation and lack of addressing the
premise is in a sense "denial." Neither one of you have made the
slightest effort to even say what I posted is false. Does both of your
silences actually mean that you two agree? Do the Jews I quote lie?
> >
> >He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
> >way out of it is not an option.
>
> I agree. "tavish" has spouted this lie and been called on it so often that
> "his" redefinition excuse is itself a lie.
Tavish replies:
Jeffrey's question is insignificant in that he asks me to name names as
being specific in who denies. By dodging my question and not answering
it is tantamount to denying! You won't be able to get away with this in
the lurker's eyes you two!
> allan
>
> =================================================
> amat...@cybercom.net
> =================================================
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> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================
This is the post that Jeffrey and Allan are avoiding (why?):
Subject:
Jeffrey G. Brown - A repost for my pal!
Date:
Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:21:53 -0500
From:
Phineas Tavish Huber <gues...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The Honorable Family of the Hubers
CC:
jeff_...@bigfoot.com
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism, alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.white-power,
alt.politics.correct
Hello folks:
Tavish here. Please excuse me for reposting this BUT I am giving my pal,
Jeffrey G. Brown, a chance to respond. I would never accuse Jeffrey of
tucking tail and running. I believe that Jeffrey is just busy and he
hasn't seen my reply and had a chance to respond yet. See I'll give
Jeffrey the benefit of the doubt and I know that sooner or later that he
and I will have a cold one together yet.
Tavish The True
The repost:
Subject:
Yes, indeedy, Jews do lie!
Date:
Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:53:06 -0500
From:
"Capt. Francis Queeg" <gues...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
USS Caine
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism, alt.politics.correct,
alt.politics.white-power,
alt.politics.nationalism.white, soc.culture.german
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <336051...@spam-not.net>, who-...@spam-not.net wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
Tavish The True said:
> >> >For almost nine years the German
> >> >government acted to encourage emigration of Jews.
> >> After which, they began exterminating the Jews. Perhaps we should take
> >> Bradbury's unbridled admiration for the Nazi regime as a sign that he
> >> plans to do the same, once his rants have been ignored long enough.
Tavish asks his pal Jeffrey now:
> >How much of a chance did the Jewish Bolsheviks give their victims
> >Jeffrey?
> I have no idea. I also have no idea how Bradbury expects to use this
> question to justify the extermination of Jews carried out by the Nazi
> regime in Germany.
Tavish responds:
I seek not to make an excuse for anything BUT you have admitted that you
do not know about the Bolsheviks and the chances they gave their
victims! This tells a lot about your objectivity and your sincerity in
finding truth!
> >> > [...deletia...]
Tavish had written:
> >> >March 1, 1941 Himmler gave orders for Auschwitz to be expanded as a
> >> >transit camp for prisoners of war (100,000) and for peace time prisoners
> >> >(30,000) of which 10,000 were assigned to I. G. Farben as laborers.
> >> >[Please note: Auschwitz was not a death camp at this time!]
Jeffrey had said:
> >> Please note: Jews were prisoners at this time.
Tavish had said:
> >> >Were the Russian Christians given as much of a chance of escape from
> >> >their Jewish butchers of the Bolshevik Revolution as what the Nazis
> >> >provided for Jews? Simple and plain honest question!
Tavish now replies:
Jeffrey did not attempt to answer my honest question BUT I give more
than an adequate reply to his question below.
Jeffrey, my pal, had declared:
> >> Perhaps Bradbury could answer a question: How can the alleged actions of
> >> Jews in Russia be used to justify the murders of Jews in Germany -- Jews
> >> whose responsibility for events in Russia was nil?
> >> That's a simple and plain honest question, too, but not one you're likely
> >> to see Bradbury answer.
> >Tavish The True uses a previous post to reply- see below!
> >I never said two wrongs made a right Jeffrey!
> > [...deletia...]
Tavish had written:
> >Yes my pal Jeffrey the Soviet Jews have never had to face War Crimes
> >trials or Crimes Against Humanity either! You, yourself, seem very
> >sympathetic and loyal to a group of even more barbaric butchers! JEWS!
Tavish adds:
Jeffrey here is proof that the Soviets were Jews and this is extracted
from a reply I made to Herman (Your cousin perhaps?):
> From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by Bantam
> #13084-6
> says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices
> of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their
> accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent
> energies of these willing collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
>
> Herman why were the Ukrainians anti-Semitic? Perhaps because the
> communists were waging their own genocide against the Gentile kulaks!
> How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the Soviets, if
> the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union was a Jewish
> conceived and run totalitarian state!
***************************
Jeffrey, my pal, wrote:
> And still we wait for Bradbury to answer the question:
>
> How can the alleged actions of Jews in Russia be used to justify the
> murders of Jews in Germany -- Jews whose responsibility for events in
> Russia was nil?
Tavish replies:
Jeffrey, Jewish sources disagree with your optimistic assumption
that Jews had nothing to do with what happened in Russia!
The Documented Source of the Origins Of Communism.
Among the Jews who remained in Russia,
which then included Lithuania, Ukraine
(A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky,
Yale University Press, 1941, passim), and
much of Poland, were the founders of the
Russian Bolshevik party:
In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union
of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . .
They engaged in revolutionary activity upon
a large scale, and their energy made them the
spearhead of the Party (Article on "Communism"
by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III,
pp 824-827).
The name Bolsheviki means majority (from
Russian Bolshe, the larger) and commemorates the
fact that at the Brussels-London conference of
the party in late 1902 and early 1903, the
violent Marxist program of Lenin was adopted by
a 25 to 23 vote, the less violent minority or
"Mensheviki" Marxists fading finally from the
picture after Stalin's triumph in October, 1917.
It has been also stated that the term Bolshevik
refers to the "larger" or more violent program
of the majority faction. After (1918) the
Bolsheviki called their organization the Communist
Party.
The Zionist Jews were another group that laid
its plan in Russia as a part of the new re-
orientation of Russian Jewry after the collapse
of Haskalah and the assassination (1881) of
Alexander II. "On November 6, 1884, for the first
time in history, a Jewish international assembly
was held at Kattowitz, near the Russian frontier,
where representatives from all classes and
different countries met and decided to colonize
Palestine. . ." (The Haskalah Movement in Russia,
p. 285). For a suggestion of the solidarity of
purpose between the Jewish Bund, which was the
core of the Communist Party, and early Zionism,
see Grayzel (op. cit., p. 662). "Henceforth a
heightened sense of race-consciousness takes the
place formerly held by religion and is soon to
develop into a concrete nationalism with Zion as
its goal" (Graetz-Raisin, Vol. p. 168).
In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth
century, not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews
had been attracted to the writings of Karl Marx
(1818-1883), partly, it seems, because he was
Jewish in origin. "On both paternal and maternal
sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical
families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
regulations designed, after the murder of
Alexander II, To curb the anti-government
activities of Jews; consequently, the
" reaction to those excesses was Jewish support
of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.
I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy
since the predecessor organization of Russian
Communism was the Jewish "Bund." Thus Marxian
Communism, modified for expediency, became an
instrument for the violent seizure of power.
The Communist Jews, together with revolutionaries
of Russian stock, were sufficiently numerous
to give the venture a promise of success, if
attempted at the right time. After the rout of
the less violent faction in 1917, when Russia was
staggering under defeat by Germany -- a year
before Germany in turn staggered to defeat under
the triple blows of Britain, France, and the
United States. "The great hour of freedom struck
on the 15th of March, 1917," when "Czar Nicholas's
train was stopped" and he was told "that his
rule was at an end. . . Israel, in Russia,
suddenly found itself lifted out of its oppression
and degradation" (Graetz-Raisin, op. cit., Vol.
VI, p. 209).
At this moment Lenin appeared on the scene, after
an absence of nine years (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XIII,
p. 912). The Germans, not realizing that he would
be anything more than a trouble maker for their
World War I enemy, Russia, passed him and his party
(exact number disputed -- about 200?) In a sealed
train from Switzerland to the Russian border.
... [U]nder Lenin, whose birth-name was Ulianov and
whose racial antecedents are uncertain, and under
Leon Trotsky, a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein,
a small number of highly trained Jews from abroad,
along with Russian Judaized Khazan and non-Jewish
captives to the Marxian ideology, were able to make
themselves masters of Russia. "Individual
revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a
conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917,
which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of
the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX,
p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of
Russian Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both
of these, however, are said by some writers to be
half-Jewish. Whatever the racial antecedents of
their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
the Communist movement was well understood in Russia.
"The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik
government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common
enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
References used:
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
The History of the Jews by Prof H.Graetz
pub. by Jewish Publication Society of America
The Encyclopedia Britannica
A History of Ukraine by Michael Hrushevsky
Yale University Press
The Haskalah Movement in Russia
by Jacob S. Raisin, Philadelphia
The Jewish Publication Society of America
A History of the Jews by Solomon Grayzel,
Philadelphia- Jewish Publication Society of
America
Tavish now asks Jeffrey:
Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
"anti-Semitic", biased, and liars? Do you still wish to deny that
Communism was and is a Jewish phenomenon? Jeffrey, Communism has so much
more blood on its hands that it is pathetic and irresponsible to even
compare Communism and Nazism! The Jews have been responsible for much
more blood shed than the German Nazis and this can't be denied!
Your pal forever,
Tavish The True
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
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Tavish now asks Glenda:
Do you wish to act as an adult and try to prove my information is false
or do you wish to stay on the course of being a spoiled brat that can't
have its way? The choice is yours!
Allan Matthews
In article <336C04...@spam-not.net>, gues...@spam-not.net wrote:
>Tavish replies to Allan:
>So you wish to join Jeffrey? Okay but why don't you at least try to
>refute the premise of the original post which I have attached. Your and
>Jeffrey's dancing around and not even an attempt at proving the content
>of the documentation false
What content is that? That you can't tell the Bund from the Bolsheviks or
March from November?
>can only make the lurker conclude that it is true- which it is Allan.
Chalk up another lie for ol' "tavish" here. BTW, what makes you think
Communism started in 1897 when the Manifesto was published in 1848 - nearly
fifty years earlier?
>Come on Mr. Kung Fu
Obviously, by this religious slur "tavish" shows he can't tell real Buddhism
from what he sees on TV. And this from a "guy" who whines so loudly when
someone calls "him" a name, even a correct one (like anti-Semite, Nazi
apologist or 6th grade dropout).
>quit quibbling and just karate my work all to pieces!
Obviously "he" cant' tell one martial art from another either.
>Show my great error in my research
What "tavish" presents below can hardly be called research. Its just a
vacuous rant with immaterial quotes inserted to make it look like a rational
argument.
>or justbe known as another Herman or Jeffrey- people who never
>deal with refuting the premise!
Oddly enough, whenever anyone (myself included) has negatively commented on
this repeated posting from the anonymous coward "tavish" "he" has never
responded, save to repost the same crap again. In the realms of Nazi
apologia this malady is known as Whitaker's Syndrome or, in its most virulent
form, Moran's Disease.
>Allan I will also include you in the challenge to Jeffrey. I asked this
>question at the end of the post that he willfully butchered so it would
>get lost in the thread BUT I archive! Here is the final question:
>
>Tavish now asks Jeffrey (and Allan Matthews too!):
>Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
>"anti-Semitic", biased, and liars?
I'll go on record that you can't read English very well and deliberately
misinterpret materials to suit your self-admitted pathological anti-Semitism.
I'll also go on record that the materials you quote below actually do not
address your thesis. The only material that does that is your own writing,
which is not backed up by any supporting materials. So the only
anti-Semitism, bias and lying present are strictly "tavish's."
>Do you still wish to deny that
>Communism was and is a Jewish phenomenon?
Let's see...
In Paris in 1836 German radicals formed a secret association called the
"League of the Just." Note the nationality of the people involved here
"tavish" - GERMANS.
Then, at a congress in 1847, this German group changed its name to the
"Communist League." They commissioned Marx and Engels, neither of whom was
an original member of the group or were in any way connected with its
founding, to write their political manifesto.
This information comes from a subject "tavish," being a 6th grade dropout, is
not very familiar with. Its called history. Of course, "tavish" has
demonstrated "his" ignorance on so many subjects that its fair to say "he's"
not very familiar with reality.
Also, "tavish" repeatedly states that Communism is still a Jewish phenomenon.
Aside from the fact that Communism has not been a strictly Jewish phenomenon
in the past (though there have been Jewish Communists afterall), there are a
number of other problems associated with this view.
For example - I had no idea Mao was Jewish. Or Ho Chi Minh. Or Fidel Castro.
Or Pol Pot. How many present members of the Chinese Communist Party are
Jewish, "tavish?" How about the Communist Parties in Cuba or Viet Nam? Or,
for that matter, Russia or the USA?
Your contention is laughable - as usual.
>Jeffrey, Communism has so much
>more blood on its hands that it is pathetic and irresponsible to even
>compare Communism and Nazism!
No, what's really pathetic and irresponsible is your continued apologies for
the Nazis you admire so much.
> The Jews have been responsible for much
>more blood shed than the German Nazis and this can't be denied!
Well, it would be true if your thesis about Jews being responsible for
Communism were true. But its not. So this statement is, in fact, very easy
to deny as it is false.
Now here below is an interesting little tidbit. "Tavish" once again
hypocritically complains about name calling. What is most interesting is the
fact that in the below quoted passage there is not one word from the author
"tavish" is accusing of that name calling (me).
>BTW Allan here is chance to show that you have more character than
>Jeffrey or Glenda! Don't blow it!
>
> ---Start of Matthew's Original Name Calling---
>
>Allan Matthews wrote:
>>
>> In article <jeff_brown-01...@news.zippo.com>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>> >In article <3367CA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>> >
>> >>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Your side denies totally that
>> >>> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
>> >>> >it!
>> >>>
>> >>> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
>> >>> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> >>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>> >
>> >> [..deletia...]
>> >
>> >>My use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words.
>> >
>> >Uh huh. Having been caught out in another lie, Bradbury wishes to redefine
>> >it as a "poor choice of words". No go. He made the assertion, and he's
>> >still responsible for backing it up with facts.
>> >
>> >Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> >occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
Where in this quoted material is there one word from me? But such a
transparent falsehood doesn't even slow "tavish" down. "He" continues:
>Tavish still maintains:
>Jeffrey your and Matthews lack of refutation and lack of addressing the
>premise is in a sense "denial." Neither one of you have made the
>slightest effort to even say what I posted is false.
Again, this is a lie. "tavish" has had the problems of "his" flawed
interpretation this material pointed out to "him" on a number of occassions.
"He's" just chosen to ignore them.
>Does both of yoursilences actually mean that you two agree? Do the Jews I
>quote lie?
Well, given the fact that there has been no silence on this issue in the past
that makes "tavish's" accusations transparent lies.
>> >He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
>> >way out of it is not an option.
>>
>> I agree. "tavish" has spouted this lie and been called on it so often that
>> "his" redefinition excuse is itself a lie.
>
>Tavish replies:
>Jeffrey's question is insignificant in that he asks me to name names as
>being specific in who denies.
You've made an accusation, "tavish." All Jeff wants is for you to back it up
with some proof. Is that too much to ask? Obviously it is. So, the question
now is this - Why does "tavish" continue to spout this lie?
> By dodging my question and not answering
>it is tantamount to denying! You won't be able to get away with this in
>the lurker's eyes you two!
This is one of the best examples of faulty logic I've seen in a while.
>This is the post that Jeffrey and Allan are avoiding (why?):
Again, no one's been avoiding this post - "tavish" is simply lying again. No
wonder "he" looks up to Matt Giwer.
Well, given that the Bund was not Communist I fail to see how this material
addresses "tavish's" contention.
>They engaged in revolutionary activity upon
>a large scale, and their energy made them the
>spearhead of the Party (Article on "Communism"
>by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III,
>pp 824-827).
>
>The name Bolsheviki means majority (from
>Russian Bolshe, the larger) and commemorates the
>fact that at the Brussels-London conference of
>the party in late 1902 and early 1903, the
>violent Marxist program of Lenin was adopted by
>a 25 to 23 vote, the less violent minority or
>"Mensheviki" Marxists fading finally from the
>picture after Stalin's triumph in October, 1917.
>It has been also stated that the term Bolshevik
>refers to the "larger" or more violent program
>of the majority faction. After (1918) the
>Bolsheviki called their organization the Communist
>Party.
One of the issues that led to the Bolshevik/Menshevik split was the
Bolsheviks' move to toss the Jewish Bund out of the movement. Now, one is
forced to wonder why these supposedly Jewish Bolsheviks (including that former
seminary student Joseph Stalin) would toss Jews out of the revolutionary
movement.
>The Zionist Jews were another group that laid
>its plan in Russia as a part of the new re-
>orientation of Russian Jewry after the collapse
>of Haskalah and the assassination (1881) of
>Alexander II. "On November 6, 1884, for the first
>time in history, a Jewish international assembly
>was held at Kattowitz, near the Russian frontier,
>where representatives from all classes and
>different countries met and decided to colonize
>Palestine. . ." (The Haskalah Movement in Russia,
>p. 285). For a suggestion of the solidarity of
>purpose between the Jewish Bund, which was the
>core of the Communist Party, and early Zionism,
>see Grayzel (op. cit., p. 662).
Note this little tidbit "tavish" inserted into his copyright-violating
quotations here about the Bund being the core of the Communist Party. In
actuality the Bolsheviks moved to exclude the Bund from the movement against
the Czarist state. So, in other words, "tavish" has embedded a lie into
otherwise irrelevent texts.
> "Henceforth a
>heightened sense of race-consciousness takes the
>place formerly held by religion and is soon to
>develop into a concrete nationalism with Zion as
>its goal" (Graetz-Raisin, Vol. p. 168).
Ok, so there were Zionist Jews in Russia at the time. This has nothing to do
with "tavish's" premise. So, once again, the quoted material is irrelevent
and being misused.
>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth
>century, not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews
>had been attracted to the writings of Karl Marx
>(1818-1883), partly, it seems, because he was
>Jewish in origin.
Again, "tavish" has inserted a comment very surreptitiously into the quoted
text. I guess we shouldn't expect "tavish" to understand the academic
principle of clearly separating your writings from material you quote.
>"On both paternal and maternal
>sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical
>families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
This is true, but Marx did not consider himself a Jew. He considered himself
a socialist atheist. Besides, Marx was not the first "Communist."
>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>regulations designed, after the murder of
>Alexander II, To curb the anti-government
>activities of Jews; consequently, the
>" reaction to those excesses was Jewish support
>of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.
>I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy
>since the predecessor organization of Russian
>Communism was the Jewish "Bund." Thus Marxian
>Communism, modified for expediency, became an
>instrument for the violent seizure of power.
>The Communist Jews, together with revolutionaries
>of Russian stock, were sufficiently numerous
>to give the venture a promise of success, if
>attempted at the right time. After the rout of
>the less violent faction in 1917, when Russia was
>staggering under defeat by Germany -- a year
>before Germany in turn staggered to defeat under
>the triple blows of Britain, France, and the
>United States.
Again "tavish" quotes a tiny bit of material and then attaches a large piece
of faulty analysis to it. "He" obviously can't tell one faction within the
Russian revolutionary movement from another.
"The great hour of freedom struck
>on the 15th of March, 1917," when "Czar Nicholas's
>train was stopped" and he was told "that his
>rule was at an end. . . Israel, in Russia,
>suddenly found itself lifted out of its oppression
>and degradation" (Graetz-Raisin, op. cit., Vol.
>VI, p. 209).
Yep, in MARCH 1917 the Czar was overthrown - but not by Communists. A small
fact "tavish" sees fit to overlook. Perhaps "tavish" can't tell the
difference between March and November, as it wasn't until November 1917 that
the Bolsheviks siezed power.
>At this moment Lenin appeared on the scene, after
>an absence of nine years (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XIII,
>p. 912). The Germans, not realizing that he would
>be anything more than a trouble maker for their
>World War I enemy, Russia, passed him and his party
>(exact number disputed -- about 200?) In a sealed
>train from Switzerland to the Russian border.
>
>.... [U]nder Lenin, whose birth-name was Ulianov and
>whose racial antecedents are uncertain, and under
>Leon Trotsky, a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein,
>a small number of highly trained Jews from abroad,
>along with Russian Judaized Khazan and non-Jewish
>captives to the Marxian ideology, were able to make
>themselves masters of Russia.
Once again, "tavish's" remarks are full of outright lies regarding the make-up
of the Bolshevik movement.
>"Individual
>revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a
>conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917,
>which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of
>the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX,
>p.668).
>Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of
>Russian Communism,
Well, here and there you've been called an idiot, so it must be true.
>but not Lenin and Stalin. Both
>of these, however, are said by some writers to be
>half-Jewish.
Again, some writers think you're a slandering bigot so you must be, right
"tavish?" Of course it doesn't matter to "tavish" that the worst of the
Soviet murderers, Stalin, trained to be a Christian priest. By "tavish's"
"logic" (using the word very loosely) that would mean that Orthodox Christians
were and are responsible for his Purges.
>Whatever the racial antecedents of
>their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
>largely staffed with Jews.
Well, I guess it must be true because "tavish" says so. Does "he" provide any
evidence to back this statement up? Nope. Of course, in the twisted reality
of the anti-Semite the presence of even one or two Jews in an organization
makes it "largely" Jewish or under Jewish control.
>The Jewish position in
>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia.
>"The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik
>government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common
>enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
Note that the "Christian" White armies did not equate Jews and Bolsheviks.
They appear, judging from this quote, to have regarded them as separate
enemies. That they considered Jews to be enemies is not surprising given
Christian Czarist Russia's repeated pogroms and virulent anti-Semitism.
References misused by "tavish":
>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
>
>The History of the Jews by Prof H.Graetz
>pub. by Jewish Publication Society of America
>
>The Encyclopedia Britannica
>
>A History of Ukraine by Michael Hrushevsky
>Yale University Press
>
>The Haskalah Movement in Russia
>by Jacob S. Raisin, Philadelphia
>The Jewish Publication Society of America
>
>A History of the Jews by Solomon Grayzel,
>Philadelphia- Jewish Publication Society of
>America
>
>Tavish now asks Jeffrey:
>Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
>"anti-Semitic", biased, and liars?
Well, these "sources" actually don't seem to support your contention. Only
your inserts between the quotes do that (and very badly to boot). So I guess
its fair to conclude that although these "sources" are not anti-Semitic,
biased or lying, "tavish" certainly is.
One wonders just how long it will be before "tavish" reposts this
"irrefutable" material and claims that no attempts at refuting it have been
made. "He's" done it before, afterall.
"Tavish" would be laughable were "he" not so pathetic and hate-filled. And
stupid.
gle...@ornam.wvnm.com
Matt Phelps Tavish brown-grey mottled slug, <gues...@spam-not.net>
wrote:
<no snip this time!>
>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <336A1D...@spam-not.net>, gues...@spam-not.net wrote:
>>
>> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <3367CA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Your side denies totally that
>> >> >> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
>> >> >> >it!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Perhaps Bradbury would be so kind as to document this new assertion. Who
>> >> >> specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> >> >> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>> >>
>> >> > [..deletia...]
>> >>
>> >> >My use of "denial" was 100% a very poor choice of words.
>> >>
>> >> Uh huh. Having been caught out in another lie, Bradbury wishes to redefine
>> >> it as a "poor choice of words". No go. He made the assertion, and he's
>> >> still responsible for backing it up with facts.
>> >>
>> >> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> >> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>> >>
>> >> He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
>> >> way out of it is not an option.
>> >
>> >Tavish responds:
>> >You call it a lie and I call it a debate over words. Why does your side
>> >avoid talking of the links between Jews and Communism or about how many
>> >more people suffered and still are suffering worldwide under the Jewish
>> >scheme of Communism? This to me is denial- denial of reality Jeffy poo!
>> >Hence you still prove nada! (Nothing!)
>>
>> I don't need to prove anything -- not when we have Bradbury to prove for
>> us that when caught out in a blatant lie, he'll run for the cover of "a
>> very poor choice of words". Can't argue with him there... most lies I've
>> heard certainly qualify as "a very poor choice of words".
>>
>> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>Tavish responds:
>Is this your admission that there were indeed mass killings in the
>Soviet Union Jeffrey? Who did these mass killings and who were their
>victims Jeffrey? How many more people did the Communists kill than the
>Nazis Jeffrey? One final question since you have now made an around the
>about admission. Which philosophy is still just as murderous and holds
>billions still in slavery Jeffrey?
>> He can either answer the question, or admit that he lied. Redefining his
>> way out of it is not an option.
>Tavish replies:
>You quibble over the gnat but you ignore the camel because you lack the
>basic ingredient that people of character truly have Jeffrey-
>objectivity! You quibble over one word while you dodge a major issue and
>for this you are an ass! Go ahead Jeffrey and quote me out of context as
>you always do BUT you only help me win by doing so! The original post is
>below if you decide to really be objective in finding out truth Jefrey!
>Jeffrey all any of us would want to know. You admitted in a round about
>way taht the Communists were murderers BUT will you admit that Jews were
>behind the Communism, especially in light of all the evidence I
>produced?
>>
>> JGB
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
>> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>The repost:
>> >> > [...deletia...]
>> > [...deletia...]
>Tavish replies:
>They engaged in revolutionary activity upon
>a large scale, and their energy made them the
>spearhead of the Party (Article on "Communism"
>by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III,
>pp 824-827).
>The name Bolsheviki means majority (from
>Russian Bolshe, the larger) and commemorates the
>fact that at the Brussels-London conference of
>the party in late 1902 and early 1903, the
>violent Marxist program of Lenin was adopted by
>a 25 to 23 vote, the less violent minority or
>"Mensheviki" Marxists fading finally from the
>picture after Stalin's triumph in October, 1917.
>It has been also stated that the term Bolshevik
>refers to the "larger" or more violent program
>of the majority faction. After (1918) the
>Bolsheviki called their organization the Communist
>Party.
>The Zionist Jews were another group that laid
>its plan in Russia as a part of the new re-
>orientation of Russian Jewry after the collapse
>of Haskalah and the assassination (1881) of
>Alexander II. "On November 6, 1884, for the first
>time in history, a Jewish international assembly
>was held at Kattowitz, near the Russian frontier,
>where representatives from all classes and
>different countries met and decided to colonize
>Palestine. . ." (The Haskalah Movement in Russia,
>p. 285). For a suggestion of the solidarity of
>purpose between the Jewish Bund, which was the
>core of the Communist Party, and early Zionism,
>see Grayzel (op. cit., p. 662). "Henceforth a
>heightened sense of race-consciousness takes the
>place formerly held by religion and is soon to
>develop into a concrete nationalism with Zion as
>its goal" (Graetz-Raisin, Vol. p. 168).
>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth
>century, not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews
>had been attracted to the writings of Karl Marx
>(1818-1883), partly, it seems, because he was
>Jewish in origin. "On both paternal and maternal
>sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical
>families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>regulations designed, after the murder of
>Alexander II, To curb the anti-government
>activities of Jews; consequently, the
>" reaction to those excesses was Jewish support
>of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.
>I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy
>since the predecessor organization of Russian
>Communism was the Jewish "Bund." Thus Marxian
>Communism, modified for expediency, became an
>instrument for the violent seizure of power.
>The Communist Jews, together with revolutionaries
>of Russian stock, were sufficiently numerous
>to give the venture a promise of success, if
>attempted at the right time. After the rout of
>the less violent faction in 1917, when Russia was
>staggering under defeat by Germany -- a year
>before Germany in turn staggered to defeat under
>the triple blows of Britain, France, and the
>United States. "The great hour of freedom struck
>on the 15th of March, 1917," when "Czar Nicholas's
>train was stopped" and he was told "that his
>rule was at an end. . . Israel, in Russia,
>suddenly found itself lifted out of its oppression
>and degradation" (Graetz-Raisin, op. cit., Vol.
>VI, p. 209).
>At this moment Lenin appeared on the scene, after
>an absence of nine years (Encyc. Brit., Vol. XIII,
>p. 912). The Germans, not realizing that he would
>be anything more than a trouble maker for their
>World War I enemy, Russia, passed him and his party
>(exact number disputed -- about 200?) In a sealed
>train from Switzerland to the Russian border.
>... [U]nder Lenin, whose birth-name was Ulianov and
>whose racial antecedents are uncertain, and under
>Leon Trotsky, a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein,
>a small number of highly trained Jews from abroad,
>along with Russian Judaized Khazan and non-Jewish
>captives to the Marxian ideology, were able to make
>themselves masters of Russia. "Individual
>revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a
>conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917,
>which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of
>the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX,
>p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of
>Russian Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both
>of these, however, are said by some writers to be
>half-Jewish. Whatever the racial antecedents of
>their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia.
>"The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik
>government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common
>enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>References used:
>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
>The History of the Jews by Prof H.Graetz
>pub. by Jewish Publication Society of America
>The Encyclopedia Britannica
>A History of Ukraine by Michael Hrushevsky
>Yale University Press
>The Haskalah Movement in Russia
>by Jacob S. Raisin, Philadelphia
>The Jewish Publication Society of America
>A History of the Jews by Solomon Grayzel,
>Philadelphia- Jewish Publication Society of
>America
>Tavish now asks Jeffrey:
>Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
>"anti-Semitic", biased, and liars? Do you still wish to deny that
>Communism was and is a Jewish phenomenon? Jeffrey, Communism has so much
>more blood on its hands that it is pathetic and irresponsible to even
>compare Communism and Nazism! The Jews have been responsible for much
>more blood shed than the German Nazis and this can't be denied!
>Your pal forever,
>Tavish The True
>> JGB
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
>> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
> ------------END---------
>Tavish now asks Glenda:
>Do you wish to act as an adult and try to prove my information is false
>or do you wish to stay on the course of being a spoiled brat that can't
>have its way? The choice is yours!
Ohhhhh. Gosh. I'm Torn. You are mean. Why do you insist on being
mean to me, McTavish? Can't you just cut it out?
In any case, I digress......
I have to repeat for you, Mr. McTavish. Doing this too much worries
me, wonder if I am coming down woth WHitaker's syndrome? Nah, I'm too
*good* for that.
Anyway....... (digressing now, watch.....)
Gotta tell you Tavish, once more, (in capital letters, here for your
listening enjoyment)
WE BELIEVE YOU! YOU DO NOT LIKE JEWISH PEOPLE! OK?
Now. (calming down) Mr. little Tavish fella,
why do you expend *all that energy* trying to convince everybody that
you don't like Jewish People, or the Jewish religion, or whatever else
you don't like about Jewish People? Don't you feel that you are
wasting your time, I mean, it's not like anybody has *ever* told you
that they doubt that you can't stand Jews. Have they?
Once again, I implore lurkers, one and all to post a short message for
Mr. McTavish, telling him, that it's ok, Bucky, we all understand.
("Bucky". Wasn't that Les Griswold's nickname? I hereby lend it to
McTavish, by the power invested in me, that is. There, done.)
Till next time, folks (Tavish too)
Best regards,
Get a life, Tav,
Hope you feel better soon!
BYE!
Goodest Glenda
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <336C09...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>You quibble over one word while you dodge a major issue and
>for this you are an ass!
"...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
always attacks the opposing person..."
-- Scott Bradbury <tav...@phoenix.net>
-- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
-- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
-- Message-ID: <32D40A...@phoenix.net>
"Name calling only makes you look like a chronic boob to
those who know better!"
-- From: Scott Bradbury <tav...@phoenix.net>
-- Subject: Statistically Speaking: Tavish is Still
Correct as Always & Only People W/O Answers
Name Call!
-- Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 20:26:12 -0600
-- Message-ID: <32F54C...@phoenix.net>
"I see that you can only still resort to name calling.
-- From: Scott Bradbury
-- Subject: Re: Jesus- Who Killed Him? Mosaic
Law Establishes the Fact
-- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:31:13 -0600
-- Message-ID: <333AD9...@phoenix.net>
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <336C09...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> [...deletia...]
>> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
>Tavish responds:
>Is this your admission that there were indeed mass killings in the
>Soviet Union Jeffrey?
No. It's a question. The little curly mark at the end that looks like this:
?
makes it a question, and not a statement.
We're still waiting for Bradbury to answer it, of course. Here it is again,
in case he's been successful in blocking it out of his mind:
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <336C04...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>Jeffrey's question is insignificant in that he asks me to name names as
>being specific in who denies.
Of course... specific facts that back up Bradbury's accusations are always
"insignificant" when he realizes he's been caught lying... again.
>By dodging my question and not answering it is tantamount to denying!
By the same logic, Bradbury's dodging the question and not answering it is
an admission that he lied. I'm certainly happy he's cleared that up for us.
Steve Mock
You know, you really are amusing. Get this: The Bolshevik revolution
was not under the control of any organized Jewish conspiracy, and no
matter how many pages of completely unrelated material you quote, you
won't be able to magically change history and make it so.
All that your documentation is able to prove is that there were a
significant number of Jews who were communists. Fine. There were a
significant number of non-Jews who were communists as well. Hell,
communism started in Germany, and Marx's inspiration and early following
was overwhelmingly non-Jewish - does that mean the Germans are
responsible for the mass murders of the Soviet regime? Surely just as
responsible as the Jews.
Please stop posting this irrelevant documentation. Just give me one
quote, one document, one fact... one... all I ask is one... that points
in any way to collective Jewish guilt for Stalinism.
Yet you insist on referring to Communism as a:
"Jewish scheme"
"Jews were behind the Communism"
"Jewish butchers of the Bolshevik Revolution"
And other such slanders.
But let me wake you up to an unfortunate reality:
Proving that there were some Jews were communists is not the same as
proving that communism is Jewish.
Allow me to repeat that in case you missed it the first time:
Proving that there were some Jews were communists is not the same as
proving that communism is Jewish.
Most Jews are not and have never been communists, and most communists
are not and have never been Jews. Prove the contrary, and then we'll
talk about whether Jews can collectively be blamed for the murders of
the Soviet regime.
> Jeffrey all any of us would want to know. You admitted in a round about
> way taht the Communists were murderers BUT will you admit that Jews were
> behind the Communism, especially in light of all the evidence I
> produced?
In light of what evidence? As I said, the evidence proves that there
were Jews among the communists. That's a long way away from saying that
Jews were behind Communism, like the group of sinister puppetters that
you already assume they are. I'll repeat once again: provide a single
shred of evidence that Jews were "behind" communism, beyond simply
proving the obvious: that some communists were Jews.
> Tavish had said:
> > >> >Were the Russian Christians given as much of a chance of escape from
> > >> >their Jewish butchers of the Bolshevik Revolution as what the Nazis
> > >> >provided for Jews? Simple and plain honest question!
Frankly, yes. Many could escape death by cooperating with the
dictatorship. While that is indeed brutal and tyrranical, it is very
different from the case of Jews trapped in Nazi Germany - who had no
escape, no out. They could not convert, repent, cooperate, or
emigrate. Being born Jewish was punishable by death, through no further
fault to the individual. Sheer numbers aside, that resembles nothing
that was ever done by the Soviet regime.
Besides, only the Jews of Germany ever had any chance to escape from the
Nazis through emigration (and not much of a chance, considering how few
countries were willing to accept refugees). The process towards
extermination began immediately in Poland, Hunary, Yugoslavia,
Czechoslovakia, Greece, Bulgaria and most of the other areas conquered
by the Nazis. In Russia, Ukraine, Byelorussia and the Baltics mass
killings of Jews generally began the day after arrival of the invading
army - no preparation necessary. The SS cowards followed right behind
the Wehrmacht. In other words, the overwhelming majority of Jews never
had a chance.
> Tavish had written:
> > >You, yourself, seem very
> > >sympathetic and loyal to a group of even more barbaric butchers! JEWS!
I leave this quote in the post, not because I have anything to say about
it, but because I feel is best represents your "objectivity". An
admirable character trait, I agree.
The only piece of so-called evidence that I haven't yet addressed in its
proper context in a previous post is this one:
> Tavish adds:
> Jeffrey here is proof that the Soviets were Jews and this is extracted
> from a reply I made to Herman (Your cousin perhaps?):
>
> > From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by Bantam
> > #13084-6
> > says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices
> > of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their
> > accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent
> > energies of these willing collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
> >
> > Herman why were the Ukrainians anti-Semitic? Perhaps because the
> > communists were waging their own genocide against the Gentile kulaks!
> > How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the Soviets, if
> > the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union was a Jewish
> > conceived and run totalitarian state!
Now lets examine this, shall we. Dawidowicz states that many
Lithuanians, Balts and Ukranians held irrational anti-Semitic
predjudices, like yourself. And you use the fact that they held such
predjudices to automatically mean that these predjudices were true,
without a shed of further evidence to back it up. Isn't it obvious that
what Dawidowicz is saying here is that the very lie that you propagate
in this post - that the Jews were responsible for communism - was
responsible for millions of deaths as it helped the Nazis to secure the
collaboration of local populations in their murder campaign? The Nazis
used this lie as an excuse and means to murder millions of wholly
innocent people, and now you use the same lie to justify that murder.
This makes you as despicable as they were.
Well, it just so happens that I have a copy of Dawidowicz here with me
now. Lets see what she really has to say:
"Hard upon the invading German army came the Einsatzgruppen, rounding up
Jews, murdering thousands upon thousands in mass shootings at execution
pits. As the Einsatzgruppen advanced, the German civilian
administration moved in and set up ghettos for the remaining population
in the larger Jewish cities (Vilna, Kovno, Shavli, Riga, Dvinsk, Minsk,
Mohilev, Zhitomir, Berdichev) and ordered Judenrate to be organized. In
some places, where massacres proceeded so rapidly, ghettos were no
longer needed. In Kiev in September, 1941, for instance, over 33,000
Jews were shot in two days at a ravine in outlying Babi Yar. By the end
of October 1941, German statistics showed that a quarter of a million
Jews had been slaughtered in the Baltic and White Russia. The Baltic
and Ukranian populations collaborated voluntarily with the Germans in
murdering the Jews."
"Jewish losses were well over 1 million, perhaps as high as 1.3
million. In the Baltic, about 90 percent of the Jews were killed.
Losses in Russia proper were about 100,000. In White Russia about 66
percent and in the Ukraine about 60 percent of the Jews were
annihilated."
(Dawidowicz, Lucy; The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945; pg. 400; Holt,
Rinehart and Winston, New York, 1975) - I'm afraid I'm using a different
edition, but you can find these passages, in context, in the appendix
called "The Fate of the Jews in Hitler's Europe: By Country", towards
the end, under "Soviet Union (Including Lativia, Lithuania, Estonia)".
Now lets see what Dawidowicz has to say about the degree of control Jews
exerted over the Soviet Union on the eve of the war:
"After the Bolshevik Revolution, the traditional religious and communal
organizations of the Jewish community were suppressed, as were also the
modern Jewish national movements, Zionist and Bundist. The only form of
Jewish culture permitted to the Jews was a Yiddish version of Bolshevik
culture. Until the mid-1930's Yiddish schools and the publication of
Yiddish books, periodicals, and newspapers were permitted, but during
the Great Purge, these institutions were liquidated."(pg. 399)
I feel no need to editorialize on any of these quotes. They speak for
themselves.
I further recommend pages 123-128 of my edition (last pages of the
chapter entitled, "Phase Two: From Internal War to World War"), for
description of the process by which the SS had been indoctrinated into
believing that Bolshevism equalled Judaism, allowing them to bravely
murder innocent and unarmed men, women, and children. Dawidowicz'
descripion is very well documented with both Nazi and Jewish sources.
> Tavish now asks Jeffrey:
> Are you willing to go on record and declare that all of my sources are
> "anti-Semitic", biased, and liars?
I'm willing to go on record as saying that you don't understand your own
sources, and that you filter everything you read through your existing
belief that Jews are an organized threat to the world - a belief so
strongly held, that you don't even see a need to prove it.
> Do you still wish to deny that
> Communism was and is a Jewish phenomenon?
I, for one, will continue to deny it until you provide a shred of
evidence.
> Jeffrey, Communism has so much
> more blood on its hands that it is pathetic and irresponsible to even
> compare Communism and Nazism! The Jews have been responsible for much
> more blood shed than the German Nazis and this can't be denied!
It can and will be denied until you explain, in full detail, how the
fact that some Jews were communists make the Jews collectively
responsible for the shedding of that blood.
But I repeat myself. The question had been put to the floor in many
different forms. Answer it once.
Steve Mock
Doktor Tavische
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <336C04...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey's question is insignificant in that he asks me to name names as
> >being specific in who denies.
>
> "insignificant" when he realizes he's been caught lying... again.
>
>
> an admission that he lied. I'm certainly happy he's cleared that up for us.
Tavische inquires:
Which one are you Jeffrey? Heckle or Jeckle because Matthews has to be
the other grackle!
Allan Matthews
Tis' funny how "tavish" whines when anyone dares to edit "his" drivel. Of
course, its perfectly OK for him to trim your comments on "his" crap and then
accuse you of simple name calling. Pretty pathetic.
In article <336EB4...@spam-not.net>, dtav...@spam-not.net wrote:
>Allan Matthews wrote:
>>
>> In article <336C04...@spam-not.net>, gues...@spam-not.net wrote:
>> >Tavish replies to Allan:
>> >So you wish to join Jeffrey? Okay but why don't you at least try to
>> >refute the premise of the original post which I have attached. Your and
>> >Jeffrey's dancing around and not even an attempt at proving the content
>> >of the documentation false
>>
>> What content is that? That you can't tell the Bund from the Bolsheviks or
>> March from November?
>>
>> >can only make the lurker conclude that it is true- which it is Allan.
>>
>> Chalk up another lie for ol' "tavish" here. BTW, what makes you think
>> Communism started in 1897 when the Manifesto was published in 1848 - nearly
>> fifty years earlier?
>
>Tavische inquires:
>Which one are you Allan? Heckle or Jeckle because Jeffrey G. Brown has
>to be the other grackle!
>
> <Big snip of liberal tirade>
"Liberal" tirade, eh? "Tavish" is just embarassed by how foolish "he" was
made to look. And dishonest, too.
>> "Tavish" would be laughable were "he" not so pathetic and hate-filled. And
>> stupid.
>
>Tavische replies:
>Still can only name call as a closing statement aren't you Allan.
The sentence makes no sense in the English language, which is something
"tavish" has a lot of trouble with. Besides, what names did I call you that
were inaccurate?
"Tavish" = pathetic verging on laughable.
Allan Matthews
>>
>> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> > [...deletia...]
>
>> >> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> >> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
>> >Tavish responds:
>> >Is this your admission that there were indeed mass killings in the
>> >Soviet Union Jeffrey?
>
>> No. It's a question. The little curly mark at the end that looks like this:
>
>> ?
>
>> makes it a question, and not a statement.
>>
>> We're still waiting for Bradbury to answer it, of course. Here it is again,
>> in case he's been successful in blocking it out of his mind:
>>
>> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
>Jeffrey if there hasn't been a "denial" of the large scale mass killings
>by anyone on your side then one can safely assume that this premise is
>accepted. Isn't the opposite of deny - accept? If the premise is
>accepted, hence true, then why don't any on your side own up to it? I
>can only conclude that your side is in the denial mode- denial of
>reality. Do you accept that Bolshevik Jews committed a Genocide on
>Christian kulaks or not? Do you personally accept or deny?
>
>Remember Jeffrtey a virtual plethora of evidence supports my premise.
"Virtual" is right since, as we've seen, "tavish's" evidence exists only in
his "reality."
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <336EB6...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> Jeffrey if there hasn't been a "denial" of the large scale mass killings
> by anyone on your side then one can safely assume that this premise is
> accepted. Isn't the opposite of deny - accept? If the premise is
> accepted, hence true, then why don't any on your side own up to it? I
> can only conclude that your side is in the denial mode- denial of
> reality. Do you accept that Bolshevik Jews committed a Genocide on
> Christian kulaks or not? Do you personally accept or deny?
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
Rev Ignatius Loyola Tavish
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
You rate no reply from me numb nuts because I have already answered you!
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <337125...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
> You rate no reply from me numb nuts because I have already answered you!
Bradbury is lying. He has cited no posts in which the aforementioned
denials are made.
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
Allan Matthews
In article <337125...@spam-not.net>, gues...@spam-not.net wrote:
>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
>> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
>> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
>You rate no reply from me numb nuts because I have already answered you!
"tavish" shows "his" ineptitude at dodging questions once again. I've looked
at DejaNews and I can't find any posts where "tavish" names these deniers
"he" likes to carry on about. Why would "he" lie about something like that?
Does this put me on your list of people you want to mailbomb, "tavish?"
Steve Mock
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <336EB6...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey if there hasn't been a "denial" of the large scale mass killings
> > by anyone on your side then one can safely assume that this premise is
> > accepted. Isn't the opposite of deny - accept? If the premise is
> > accepted, hence true, then why don't any on your side own up to it? I
> > can only conclude that your side is in the denial mode- denial of
> > reality. Do you accept that Bolshevik Jews committed a Genocide on
> > Christian kulaks or not? Do you personally accept or deny?
>
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
I think the problem here is that he honestly believes that once cannot
accept that large-scale killings occured in the Soviet Union, without
also accepting that the Jews were responsible. In his diluted world,
the fact of the mass killings are more open to question than his
assumption that the Jews must be behind every evil deed in world
history. His anti-Semitism is so internalized, he can't even conceive
of the possibility that Bolshevism was anything other than a Jewish
plot, despite the fact that his the historical record and even his own
sources say otherwise. What use is historical evidence when one has a
faith so strongly held as his faith that evil Jews are behind every
ideology with which he disagrees?
Steve Mock
William Wallace McTavish
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <337125...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> > > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> >
>
> denials are made.
>
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
Tavish replies once again:
Is this your back door acknowledgment that large-scale killings did
occur in the Soviet Union Jeffrey. If you haven't denied then this means
that you do acknowledge the crime! We are now making some head way now.
Do you wish to answer who the mass murderers were, their philosophical
ideology (the origin) and who their millions of victims were now? Who
were the Bolsheviks Jeffrey? I've posted this many times! You should
know by now! If you accept that the Bolsheviks did the killing then you
will know why every Christian Church was destroyed but not a Synagogue
was touched. Come clean now Jeffrey.
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <3373AA...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
> Tavish replies once again:
> [...deletia: no answer...]
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee
Allan Matthews wrote:
>
> In article <337125...@spam-not.net>, gues...@spam-not.net wrote:
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> >> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> >
Tavish replies again:
I have already answered Jeffrey numerous times BUT he does not accept
the simple answer I gave him. He's in the denial of reality mode just
like Herman!
> "tavish" shows "his" ineptitude at dodging questions once again. I've looked
> at DejaNews and I can't find any posts where "tavish" names these deniers
> "he" likes to carry on about. Why would "he" lie about something like that?
Tavish replies:
I have pasted my most recent reply to Jeffrey's question right below
your trade mark .sig line. I don't believe that I could have been any
plainer. Jeffrey doesn't want a reply- he more works at being an
irritant and a nitpicker.
> Does this put me on your list of people you want to mailbomb, "tavish?"
Tavish replies:
Sorry to disappoint you but you showed sportsmanship on a couple of rare
occasions and Tavish never forgets those that stick their necks out for
him. The wish list below still stands as being up to date!
Tavish declares to Yale (F. Edeiken):
You had said- "Note that the criminal Giwer proposes mailbombing
someone. A habitual tactic of the criminal Giwer and his
accomplices."
Yale who are Matt's accomplices? Am I one of them? Matt is my pal and
cousin too! You screw with him and you screw with me. Matty's a big boy
now and can fend for himself BUT you have implied about telling on me if
I didn't jump when you told me to- so to speak. I can only say- "Nah Nah
Nah you're a big ol' tattle tale. Yale Yale the tattle tale."
If I had a wish list for E-Mail bombings (remember that you accused me
of doing it?) I would place you at number one, Jeffrey G. Brown at
number two, and Eric Hoffer at number three!
I would leave Allan Matthews alone because he has shown that he can be a
sport on rare occasions.
Herman would be left alone just because Herman is his own misery! (and a
hoot too!)
I would leave Mike Stein alone- why screw with someone that isn't really
vicious and a true anal sphincter muscle to boot? I'd only look like a
bully!
All the women would be immune. Yes my darling Glenda would not get the
wrath nor Laura nor sweet lil' Sara.
I guess I would have to add Ken Lewis to my list though- just remembered
that guy- oh and Andrew Mathis too!
Yes Yale I have now made public my wish list! Ain't life grand?!
BTW Jamie- I would leave you alone too as well as Chuck Ferree (reminds
me too much of my father) and Gord McFee- for reasons I can't perceive!
I also would leave Joel Rosenberg(ovitch) alone because he is so damned
funny! I know that you all don't believe me but that guy really cracks
me up!
Remember folks that Tavish is not a computer expert and has not the
knowledge to pull off an E-Mail bomb attack. I merely stated (honestly)
who my choices would be- and that is all! BTW I would add Mark Van
Alstine to the list of recipients. Sorry 'bout forgetting 'bout you!
Tavish The True
>
> allan
>
> =================================================
> amat...@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================
What Jeffrey denies by refusing to acknowledge:
Subject:
Re: Jeffrey still hasn't acknowledged
Date:
Fri, 09 May 1997 17:51:58 -0500
From:
William Wallace McTavish <gues...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The McTavish Family Bravehearts
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism, alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.correct,
alt.politics.white-power
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <337125...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> > > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> >
> > You rate no reply from me numb nuts because I have already answered you!
>
> Bradbury is lying. He has cited no posts in which the aforementioned
> denials are made.
>
> Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
Tavish replies once again:
Is this your back door acknowledgment that large-scale killings did
occur in the Soviet Union Jeffrey? If you haven't denied then this means
that you do acknowledge the crime! We are now making some head way now.
Do you wish to answer who the mass murderers were, their philosophical
ideology (the origin) and who their millions of victims were now? Who
were the Bolsheviks Jeffrey? I've posted this many times! You should
know by now! If you accept that the Bolsheviks did the killing then you
will know why every Christian Church was destroyed but not a Synagogue
was touched. Come clean now Jeffrey.
>
Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee <tav...@spam-not.net> writes:
>
> >
> > Tavish declares to Yale (F. Edeiken):
> > You had said- "Note that the criminal Giwer proposes mailbombing
> > someone. A habitual tactic of the criminal Giwer and his
> > accomplices."
>
>
> > Yale who are Matt's accomplices? Am I one of them?
>
Tavish replies:
I asked you Yaley pooh! I didn't admit it!
> > Matt is my pal and
> > cousin too! You screw with him and you screw with me. Matty's a big boy
> > now and can fend for himself BUT you have implied about telling on me if
> > I didn't jump when you told me to- so to speak. I can only say- "Nah Nah
> > Nah you're a big ol' tattle tale. Yale Yale the tattle tale."
>
> FACT: You threatened.
Tavish replies:
Next you will accuse me of offing Little Cock Robin and pushing Humpty
Dumpty's big ass off the wall!
> FACT: Less than 48 hours that threat was carried out.
Tavish replies:
Read the post I attached at the bottom that is a dialog between Anthony
Sabatini and Mike P. Stein and my comments about mailbombing and
detecting. Yaley pooh, I know that you trust Stein. Get him to help you
trace it and I'd bet it didn't come from me!
> > If I had a wish list for E-Mail bombings (remember that you accused me
> > of doing it?) I would place you at number one, Jeffrey G. Brown at
> > number two, and Eric Hoffer at number three!
Tavish replies:
Why would I have a wish list if I had the ability to do this very deed
Yaley pooh? I wouldn't have to wish would I? BTW can you now perceive
why I put you as number one? :-) I know- you are going to tell on me for
being mean during recess. You and Eric Hoffer want to shoot spit wads at
me whilst I stand with my nose pressed against the black board! Maybe
I'll get expelled- I bet you'd be happy then!
> You have already done so.
Tavish replies:
You're boring me now.
>
> > Yes Yale I have now made public my wish list! Ain't life grand?!
>
> It sure is.
>
> > Remember folks that Tavish is not a computer expert and has not the
> > knowledge to pull off an E-Mail bomb attack. I merely stated (honestly)
> > who my choices would be- and that is all! BTW I would add Mark Van
> > Alstine to the list of recipients. Sorry 'bout forgetting 'bout you!
> Tell it to the judge.
Tavish replies:
Who used to say that? It was: "Here come da judge!" Yes it was Laugh In.
Yale you are so funny and that is why I love to lurk the ng.
>
> > Tavish The True
>
> Liar.
Tavish replies:
I do believe that you are being a tad judgmental and emotional too!
> --YFE
Looky here Yaley pooh:
Subject:
Re: Tracing mailbombers and spammers
Date:
Mon, 12 May 1997 17:35:53 -0500
From:
Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee <tav...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The McTavish Family Bravehearts of Scotland
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism, alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.white-power, alt.censorship,
alt.politics.correct
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5
Michael P. Stein wrote:
>
> In article <01bc5ccd$a7b158c0$2156eccd@odin>,
> Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
> >mst...@access5.digex.net wrote in article <8631432...@dejanews.com>...
> >> In article <5kr062$8...@access5.digex.net>, which was cancelled by
> >> a forger on erols.com (your postmaster has been notified, have a nice
> >> day - what? You think you can't be traced? Wanna bet?), I wrote:
> >
> >Someone actually tried to cancel this post?
Tavish replies:
Ask Eric Hoffer, he's accused me of doing so!
>
> Not only tried, but succeeded. I guess it never occurred to them that
> if I was technically sophisticated enough to write the post, I might also
> be savvy enough to detect and trace the forged cancel. How unfortunate
> for them. :)
> >> > I am reposting it here as a public service. Nslookup and traceroute
> >> > are Unix utilities for getting information about and paths to
> >> > hosts/addresses - I don't know if there are equivalents available for
> >> > people running SLIP/PPP connections from their PCs or Macs but I would
> >> > hope so.
> >Windows NT users (any version) can use NSLOOKUP.EXE and TRACERT.EXE
> >respectively from the command line.
> >For 16-bit Windows (i.e., Windows version 3.x) users, you can download a
> >great utility that incorporates both tools called WSPing 16 at:
> >http://www.softseek.com/Utilities/Networking/Internet_Related/Review_5282_index.
> >html
> >Windows 95 users can find a 32-bit version of the same tool at:
> >http://www.softseek.com/Utilities/Networking/Internet_Related/Review_4795_index.
> >html
> Thanks. Any luck tracking down your own mailbomber?
Tavish replies:
I know who has been cancelling posts and doing the mailbombing! If we
were to take Eric Hoffer's word ir is me- ol' Tavish! Yesiree I'm a real
computer whiz and have all of this figured out. Hoffer is so
intelligent. He has me down as being on the Net for six years, being
with a religious group in Topeka, Kansas (when I've never been there)
and a host of other delectable praises that issue forth from him!
(Examples below) BTW He has yet to produce the header that shows me as
the culprit! Mike or Anthony will you please help Eric find his own dumb
ass (what he sits on) and also help him find who's bothering him so he
will leave me alone!? Thank you.
> --
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
Please note that I snipped Hoffer's pathetic whining crap, Yale's is
more than enough for this post.
Thank you,
The Management
Yale F. Edeiken
> Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee <tav...@spam-not.net> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > > Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee <tav...@spam-not.net> writes:
> > > Tavish declares to Yale (F. Edeiken):
> > > You had said- "Note that the criminal Giwer proposes mailbombing
> > > someone. A habitual tactic of the criminal Giwer and his
> > > accomplices."
> > It is.
> > > Yale who are Matt's accomplices? Am I one of them?
> > You admit it.
> Tavish replies:
> I asked you Yaley pooh! I didn't admit it!
And you were answered. The following statement is an admission:
*> > > Matt is my pal and
*> > > cousin too! You screw with him and you screw with me. Matty's a big boy
*> > > now and can fend for himself BUT you have implied about telling on me if
*> > > I didn't jump when you told me to- so to speak. I can only say- "Nah Nah
*> > > Nah you're a big ol' tattle tale. Yale Yale the tattle tale."
> > FACT: You threatened.
>
> Tavish replies:
> Next you will accuse me of offing Little Cock Robin and pushing Humpty
> Dumpty's big ass off the wall!
No I will accuse you of threatening. You did.
> > FACT: Less than 48 hours that threat was carried out.
> Tavish replies:
> Read the post I attached at the bottom that is a dialog between Anthony
> Sabatini and Mike P. Stein and my comments about mailbombing and
> detecting. Yaley pooh, I know that you trust Stein. Get him to help you
> trace it and I'd bet it didn't come from me!
I have no need. I have a threat followed by a mailbomb. Further at least
one other person that you threatened at the same time was mailbombed as well. I
would suggest that you start trying to trace the mailbomber. And while you're at it, you
can help O.J. Simpson discover who really killed his wife.
> Tavish replies:
> Why would I have a wish list if I had the ability to do this very deed
> Yaley pooh? I wouldn't have to wish would I?
It's called "plausible deniability." And you have shown yourself to be a liar in
the past.
> BTW can you now perceive
> why I put you as number one? :-)
Sure. Because you are an anti-Semitic piece of shit.
> I know- you are going to tell on me for
> being mean during recess. You and Eric Hoffer want to shoot spit wads at
> me whilst I stand with my nose pressed against the black board! Maybe
> I'll get expelled- I bet you'd be happy then!
The complaint was made within hours of your mailbombing.
> > > Yes Yale I have now made public my wish list! Ain't life grand?!
> > It sure is.
> > > Remember folks that Tavish is not a computer expert and has not the
> > > knowledge to pull off an E-Mail bomb attack. I merely stated (honestly)
> > > who my choices would be- and that is all! BTW I would add Mark Van
> > > Alstine to the list of recipients. Sorry 'bout forgetting 'bout you!
> > Tell it to the judge.
> > > Tavish The True
> > Liar.
> Tavish replies:
> I do believe that you are being a tad judgmental and emotional too!
Then you believe wrong. Not a first for you. Next time pick a victim who
does not fight back.
--YFE
Matt Giwer
On 12 May 1997 01:41:02 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> Angus McFergus McTavish Dundee <tav...@spam-not.net> writes:
>
>>
>> Tavish declares to Yale (F. Edeiken):
>> You had said- "Note that the criminal Giwer proposes mailbombing
>> someone. A habitual tactic of the criminal Giwer and his
>> accomplices."
>
> It is.
>
>> Yale who are Matt's accomplices? Am I one of them?
>
> You admit it.
Yer, daft, man.
I proudly recognize Ian McTavish as family through marriage
between Clan McTavish and Clan McGiver in 1136, both sired by the
great Clan McGregor. It's a family matter, lad. Something way ova yere
head.
A scotsman neva forgets nor forgives. It goes with being tight
with the schilling.
===
He who endures, conquers.
Jeffrey G. Brown
> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
> Tavish replies:
> Show the whole post where I actually said "Yale F. Edeiken" (or whoever)
> has said he denies....
Bradbury's frantic tap-dance continues. He didn't accuse anyone in
particular, nor have I asked him to document such an accusation.
In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, however, he wrote:
>Your side denies totally that
>a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
>it!
This is the charge he has been asked to back up with verifiable evidence.
So far, he has failed to do so.
Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
JGB
SOG
You are both major assholes and you heritage is a shit encrusted male
asshole from which you sprang covered with shit onto the earth.
SOG
Robert Ulrich
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:> > [...deletia...]
>
> > > Who specifically in these newsgroups has denied that large-scale killings
> > > occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
> >
> > Show the whole post where I actually said "Yale F. Edeiken" (or whoever)
> > has said he denies....
>
> Bradbury's frantic tap-dance continues. He didn't accuse anyone in
> particular, nor have I asked him to document such an accusation.
>
> In article <336572...@spam-not.net>, however, he wrote:
>
> >Your side denies totally that
> >a similar and larger "Holocaust" happened in Russia and who was behind
> >it!
>
> This is the charge he has been asked to back up with verifiable evidence.
> So far, he has failed to do so.
>
> occurred in the Soviet Union, and in what posts was this "denial" made?
>
The Obedient Goyim
On Sat, 17 May 1997 17:42:08 GMT, go...@cais.com (The Obedient Goyim)
wrote:
>"Holocaust scholarship" reaches new heights! Or depths...