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tom moran

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Behold the lie, tell your friends.

For those who are new to investigating whether or not the
Holocaust story is true I present you with this simple introductory
sequence of material. None of it is revisionist, meaning none of it
comes from those who deny the greater part of this Holocaust story. It
is all based on what the pushers of the story give themselves.

A few years ago a major revision to the story was announced.
After much crying and charging of "anti-Semitism" and "neo-Nazism"
those who are so eager and dedicated to perpetuating the story have
had to accept it. The gigantic revision was the reduction of the
previously claimed number of 4,000,000 people said to have been
exterminated at Auschwitz down to the currently accepted claim of
1,000,000, a 3,000,000 (75%) reduction. Among those dedicated to
keeping the story at a high saturation in our every day lives is the
Simon Wiesenthal Center and here I present their words on the matter
so you can be confortable in accepting that there is a revision
process taking place to which even they have had to swallow, if not a
bit begrudgingly and as we will see, with a certain lack of grace,
style and respect for those the statement is aimed at.

As to the overall number of people said to have been killed at
Auschwitz and the number that was and is now said to have been Jews I
give you a extract from the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

--------

"For years, the statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put
at well over 3 million.* Recently, however, a memorial plaque at the
former death camp estimates Jewish loses closer to 1 million.
Shouldn't the new figures imply that Jewish losses for the Holocaust
are much lower than previously thought?"

*("well over" meaning 4 million)

The center then goes into a paragraph about how it was an
"invention" of the communist government of Poland and the U.S.S.R.,
"to blur the uniqueness of Jewish suffering", that they "purposely
overstated the number of non-Jewish casualties at Auschwitz-Birkenau
by many times" and in order to "disguise the subterfuge" ... "the
figures for Jewish losses were inflated by nearly double, so that
their losses would still be larger than those of non-Jewish victims".

Instead of trying to figure this out at this time we can just
go on to the motive behind this rather confusing logic.

"The figure of 6 million Jewish losses during the Holocaust
has always been in line with the lower Auschwitz figures."

---------

Now recalling the Wiesenthal Center's claim that the overall
6,000,000 number of Jews never was based on a higher figure at
Auschwitz and thus is still 6,000,000, after the revision of 4,000,000
down to 1,000,000, we can review the contradictory listing below to
see if they are telling the truth or are in fact committing a
blasphemy against the truth and are insulting the reader.


Yehuda Bauer's _A History of the Holocaust_ (c. 1982) lists the
Auschwitz death toll as between 1.5 and 3.5 million Jews

Poliakov's _Harvest of Hate_ (c. 1956) lists the total Auschwitz
dead at about 2,300,000.

"Auschwitz" _The World Book Encyclopedia_. Chicago: World Book,
1980. 2,500,000

Billig, Joseph. _Les camps de concentration dans l'economie du
Reich hitlerien_. Paris: Presses universitaires de France, 1973.
pp 101-102. 2,000,000

Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1974. p
855. 1,000,000 to 2,500,000

Friedman, Filip. _This Was Oswiecim: The Story of a Murder Camp_.
Translated from the Yiddish original by Joseph Leftwich. London:
The United Jewish Relief Appeal, 1946, 14. 4,000,000 to 5,000,000

Kamenetksy, Ihor. _Secret Nazi Plans for Eastern Europe_. New
Haven: College and University Press, 1961. p174 2,500,000

Kogon, Eugene. _Der SS Staat_. Berlin, 1974, 157. 3,500,000 to

4,500,000

Wellers, Georges. "Essai de determination du nombre de morts au
camp d'Auschwitz" _Le Monde Juif_, Oct-Dec 1 1983, 127-59,
1,600,000

Brestrafung der Verbrecher von Auschwitz, in _Auschwitz:
Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des Vernichtungslagers_. Reinbek bei
Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 211. 2,500,000 to 4,000,000

Czech, D. "Konzentrationslager Auschwitz: Abriss der Geschichte,"
in _Auschwitz: Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des
Konzentrationslagers_. Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 42.
2,500,000 to 4,000,000

Dunin-Wasowicz, Krzysztof. _Resistance in the Nazi concentration
camps, 1933-1945_. Warsaw: PWN-Polish Scientific Publishers, 1982,
44. 2,500,000 to 4,000,000

Madajczyk, Czeslaw. _Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce;
okupacja Polski, 1939-1945_. Warsaw: Panstwowe Wydawn Naukowe,
1970, 293-94. 2,800,000 to 4,000,000

_Obozy hitlerowskie na ziemiach polskich 1939-1945: informator
encyklopedyczny_. Warsaw: Panst. Wydaw. Naukowe DSP, 1979, 369.
2,500,000 to 4,000,000

Nora Levin's "The Holocaust", 2,000,000 to 2,300,000

Rabbi Dr. Moshe Weiss, The Jewish Press Friday April 5, 1991
Yom HaShoah - Holocaust Remembrance. 3,000,000


-------

So, even though the Simon Wiesenthal Center claims the
6,000,000 figure of total Jews killed "has always been in line with
the lower figures" it is obvious that there is some recorded evidence
to show this statement to be down right false, since they clearly cite
anywhere from 2,000,000 to 3,500,000 Jews killed at Auschwitz, which
would make the 6,000,000 figure considerably lower if we used those
numbers instead of the newer currently accepted number of 1,000,000
Jews.

This poster has over the years witnessed many times in our
daily press the figure of 4,000,000 people said to have been put to
death at Auschwitz, 3,000,000 being Jewish. 3,000,000 Jews killed at
Auschwitz is the common prevalant 'street number' held in the minds of
those who have had any experience on the subject. I would invite
anyone to do their own poll by asking friends or acquaintances what
number they have in their heads as to the number of people said to
have been put to death at Auschwitz and how many they think were Jews,
to see how wide spread the figures are.

Since the Simon Wiesenthal Center is the foremost organization
involved with saturating the minds of the people with the Holocaust
story and the main sponsor of Holocaust museums we must assume they
are knowledgable of the material that has been put forth and thus are
committing a lie.
In lieu of the evidence we should ask: If the Simon Wiesenthal
Center claims the 6,000,000 number was never contingent on the
pre-revised number why didn't they make an attempt at setting the
record straight?
It cannot be shown that the Holocaust perpetuators were the
initiating force behind this huge revision and others, but in fact
struggled energetically to keep it from happening. It could also be
suggested that if it was not for revisionist energy the Holocaust
beneficiaries would have let the old figures stay as they were.

Behold the Lie - Ask Your Friends

How many people do you think were killed at Auschwitz?
How many do you think were Jewish?

The current figure is now given as 1,000,000, 900,000, 600,000
or 300,000 - take your pick. You will hear 3,000,000. Then wonder to
yourself how Simon Wiesenthal and his company of Holocaust
beneficiaries can say the 6,000,000 figure of total Jews killed "was
always in line" with the revised figures which came 45 years later.

WARNING: Even though this gigantic modification to the story
has taken place and is currently accepted by the world, along with a
number of other major revisions, Holocaust revisionists still chipping
away at the credibility of the remaining story are still dubbed
"anti-Semites" and "neo-Nazis".


quatchen

Chuck Ferree

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Feb 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/15/97
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Chuck Ferree wrote:

"BEHOLD THE LIE!: Moran says.

He then does his famous tap dance with grade school math. None of
which makes his point that some one has lied.

On occasion, Moran has denied that Jews and others were gassed at
Auschwitz. In this post, he quarrels with HOW MANY JEWS WERE GASSED AT
AUSCHWITZ.

Moran, make up your mind, and make your case. You are so confused
trying to convince people that; yeah maybe the Holocaust happened, but
if it happened at all, it didn't happen the way "they" tell the story.
There are many valid reasons why the numbers are not exact. Blackmore
and a couple of other idiots have claimed to have seen "New Death
Books" in Moscow, which list the number of total deaths at Auschwitz
at 70,000. These turkeys believe this to be the truth, rven no such
information exists in Moscow or any place else. So if you want to
spend the rest of your life arguing about how many millions were
murdered at Auschwitz, be my guest. It is amazing to me, that anyone
can comprehend what a million dead people means. That's a thousand
thousand. In my entire state the population is around three million
and growing. The accepted figures for most people is that the Nazis
murdered between 4 to 6 million Jews...minimim! More than likely, when
all the different ways the Nazis or just plain German-Austrian
killers, did their work, it is entirely concienvable that as many as
12 to 13 million Jews and others were systematically, deliberately
murdered before and during WW-II, by the Germans, by orders of Hitler
and his gang of thugs. To split hairs and continue to question the
Holocaust, based on information that no one has, and no one can
absolutely prove, is just plain foolish. I know Moran will continue to
struggle with his math, in the hopes that somehow he'll convince
someone that it was all filmed in Hollywood. But the real world knows
better. No matter what anyone proves to Moran, it's not acceptable.

Chuck


Subject:
BEHOLD THE LIE
Date:
Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:45:23 GMT
From:
t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
Organization:
Posted via CAIS Internet <in...@cais.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism

Behold the lie, tell your friends.

Chuck> Moran says it's a lie, but what Moran says is the lie. He does
not know and cannot prove anything he says.

For those who are new to investigating whether or not the
Holocaust story is true I present you with this simple introductory
sequence of material. None of it is revisionist, meaning none of it
comes from those who deny the greater part of this Holocaust story. It
is all based on what the pushers of the story give themselves.

Chuck> well whatever!!!

A few years ago a major revision to the story was announced.
After much crying and charging of "anti-Semitism" and "neo-Nazism"
those who are so eager and dedicated to perpetuating the story have
had to accept it. The gigantic revision was the reduction of the
previously claimed number of 4,000,000 people said to have been
exterminated at Auschwitz down to the currently accepted claim of
1,000,000, a 3,000,000 (75%) reduction. Among those dedicated to
keeping the story at a high saturation in our every day lives is the
Simon Wiesenthal Center and here I present their words on the matter
so you can be confortable in accepting that there is a revision
process taking place to which even they have had to swallow, if not a
bit begrudgingly and as we will see, with a certain lack of grace,
style and respect for those the statement is aimed at.

As to the overall number of people said to have been killed at
Auschwitz and the number that was and is now said to have been Jews I
give you a extract from the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Chuck> or at least his version. It needs to be taken in context, and
every word, not

--------

"For years, the statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put
at well over 3 million.* Recently, however, a memorial plaque at the
former death camp estimates Jewish loses closer to 1 million.
Shouldn't the new figures imply that Jewish losses for the Holocaust
are much lower than previously thought?"

*("well over" meaning 4 million)

The center then goes into a paragraph about how it was an
"invention" of the communist government of Poland and the U.S.S.R.,
"to blur the uniqueness of Jewish suffering", that they "purposely
overstated the number of non-Jewish casualties at Auschwitz-Birkenau
by many times" and in order to "disguise the subterfuge" ... "the
figures for Jewish losses were inflated by nearly double, so that
their losses would still be larger than those of non-Jewish victims".

Chuck> question: how much text is Moran's and how much is extracted
from the so-called revised report?



Instead of trying to figure this out at this time we can just
go on to the motive behind this rather confusing logic.

Chuck> Moran is editoralizing here, which destroys any point he may
think he makes.

"The figure of 6 million Jewish losses during the Holocaust
has always been in line with the lower Auschwitz figures."

---------

Now recalling the Wiesenthal Center's claim that the overall
6,000,000 number of Jews never was based on a higher figure at
Auschwitz and thus is still 6,000,000, after the revision of 4,000,000
down to 1,000,000, we can review the contradictory listing below to
see if they are telling the truth or are in fact committing a
blasphemy against the truth and are insulting the reader.

Chuck> Moran says he intends to let us read the complete report, not
just the parts he likes best.


-------

Chuck> Yeah take a neighborhood poll, and see what your friends and
neighbors think. I'm certain they have all been students of the
Holocaust. (most of the people in my neighborhood, don't have a clue,
except for three or four folks my age. The younger generations don't
know for the most part, and they don't really care all that much about
WW-II.)



Since the Simon Wiesenthal Center is the foremost organization
involved with saturating the minds of the people with the Holocaust
story and the main sponsor of Holocaust museums we must assume they
are knowledgable of the material that has been put forth and thus are
committing a lie.

Chuck> This is just one museum, and one source of information. They
don't claim now, nor have they ever claimed that they possessed all
the facts and the entire story.

In lieu of the evidence we should ask: If the Simon Wiesenthal
Center claims the 6,000,000 number was never contingent on the
pre-revised number why didn't they make an attempt at setting the
record straight?
It cannot be shown that the Holocaust perpetuators were the
initiating force behind this huge revision and others, but in fact
struggled energetically to keep it from happening. It could also be
suggested that if it was not for revisionist energy the Holocaust
beneficiaries would have let the old figures stay as they were.

Chuck> so Moran speculates...as he usually does.

Behold the Lie - Ask Your Friends

How many people do you think were killed at Auschwitz?
How many do you think were Jewish?

The current figure is now given as 1,000,000, 900,000, 600,000
or 300,000 - take your pick. You will hear 3,000,000. Then wonder to
yourself how Simon Wiesenthal

Chuck> Who by the way, has no connection with the Center bearing his
name.


and his company of Holocaust
beneficiaries can say the 6,000,000 figure of total Jews killed "was
always in line" with the revised figures which came 45 years later.

WARNING: Even though this gigantic modification to the story
has taken place and is currently accepted by the world, along with a
number of other major revisions, Holocaust revisionists still chipping
away at the credibility of the remaining story are still dubbed
"anti-Semites" and "neo-Nazis".

Chuck> That's because most of them have proven to be antiSemites, and
many claim to be pro-Nazi. There is no such thing IMHO as a neo-Nazi.
These are Nazi-wannabes.

Chuck> now be sure to run around your neighborhood, and ask the most
important question they want to hear.

Chuck Ferree

Mel Goldstein

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Get a life Moran/Moron. Your drivel and constant posts show that you are a
hate-filled frustrated individual with little or no education. After all,
what can a renter of rollerskates know?

You are a little man MORON/MORAN

tom moran <t...@pacificnet.net> wrote in article
<330f8887...@199.0.216.204>...


Luke Gopherstomper

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On {16 Feb 97 15:24:04 GMT}, {"Mel Goldstein" <pcl...@msn.com>} wrote in
{alt.revisionism}:
[AG the goose]

Another fine example of the style of holocaust fighting that is endorsed
by British Columbia.

_____

Spielberg bought an Oscar with a Schindler.
"Fight hate with obsenity." OBCon


Mel Goldstein

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Feb 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/17/97
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Moran is not an intellectual by any means. He rents roller blades to kids
on the strand in the LA beach area. I know him personally and long ago
decried him as a fool, bigot, and very frustrated person. Dumpster Tom (he
gets the name from the place he obtains his clothing) is really a nobody to
who this is a forum to express his idiotic views and get people to notice
him. It's his fifteen minutes of fame.

What a looser!

Luke Gopherstomper

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On {17 Feb 97 00:48:47 GMT}, {"Mel Goldstein" <pcl...@msn.com>} wrote in
{alt.revisionism}:
[AG the goose]

>Moran is not an intellectual by any means. He rents roller blades to kids

Speaking of losers, what do you think of the unemployable Ken McVay, OBC?


What do you think of the man who promotes copyright violation?

What do you think of the man who promotes the most obscene language in
the english language on the internet?

Lets have an honest opinion of your fearless leader for a change.

The poor bum is unemployable at 56. Don't you think that is really a
shame? Of course he was probably driven out of the Convenience Store Managers
union because of his language or at leat the language of his volunteers.

Do you not really think this man is a disgrace to British Columbia and
all of Canada?

Chuck Ferree

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Feb 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/17/97
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Chuck Ferree wrote:

Matt, why are you so silly? What's with all the phony names? You write
the same baloney, what difference does it make using weird names?


Luke Gopherstomper wrote:
>
> On {17 Feb 97 00:48:47 GMT}, {"Mel Goldstein" <pcl...@msn.com>} wrote in
> {alt.revisionism}:
> [AG the goose]
>
> >Moran is not an intellectual by any means. He rents roller blades to kids
> >on the strand in the LA beach area. I know him personally and long ago
> >decried him as a fool, bigot, and very frustrated person. Dumpster Tom (he
> >gets the name from the place he obtains his clothing) is really a nobody to
> >who this is a forum to express his idiotic views and get people to notice
> >him. It's his fifteen minutes of fame.
> >
> >What a looser!

Chuck> yeah and Moran knows that he is a loser. Has he no pride? Guess
not.


>
> Speaking of losers, what do you think of the unemployable Ken McVay, OBC?

Chuck> Well, first of all, McVay is employable. Can't say the same for
Giwer. McVay has been recognized by the Canadian government for his
contributions to society. Please list your deeds which have been
appreciated by any group or indivivual.


>
> What do you think of the man who promotes copyright violation?

If you are pointing the finger at Mr. McVay, he doesn't practice
either illigal nor unethical bahavior. Which is more than can be said
for Giwer.


>
> What do you think of the man who promotes the most obscene language in
> the english language on the internet?

Chuck> Well, in the case of Giwer, he's a nasty, vulgar, obscene and
dirty old man. Not to mention, a dummy.


>
> Lets have an honest opinion of your fearless leader for a change.

Chuck> First of all, Mr. McVay isn't the leader of anything. He
doesn't lead us any where. He is not "the boss." What Mr. McVay does,
is run the best and most informative web site on the Internet.

>
> The poor bum is unemployable at 56. Don't you think that is really a
> shame? Of course he was probably driven out of the Convenience Store Managers
> union because of his language or at leat the language of his volunteers.

Chuck> Convenience Stores, have volunteers? My My!


>
> Do you not really think this man is a disgrace to British Columbia and
> all of Canada?

Chuck> No, I don't think so, and further more other than a few
creepy-peepees like Giwer, no none else thinks so either.


>
> _____
>
> Spielberg bought an Oscar with a Schindler.
> "Fight hate with obsenity." OBCon

What Spielberg did was make one of the most popular films of the year.
Exposing among other things at least one Austrian Nazi camp commandant
who ended up on the end of a rope.
Chuck

Gord McFee

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Feb 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/17/97
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Matt Giwer, showing the maturity of Beavis and Butthead, and posing as

Luke Gopherstomper wrote:
>
> On {17 Feb 97 00:48:47 GMT}, {"Mel Goldstein" <pcl...@msn.com>} wrote in
> {alt.revisionism}:
> [AG the goose]
>
> >Moran is not an intellectual by any means. He rents roller blades to kids
> >on the strand in the LA beach area. I know him personally and long ago
> >decried him as a fool, bigot, and very frustrated person. Dumpster Tom (he
> >gets the name from the place he obtains his clothing) is really a nobody to
> >who this is a forum to express his idiotic views and get people to notice
> >him. It's his fifteen minutes of fame.
> >
> >What a looser!
>
> Speaking of losers, what do you think of the unemployable Ken McVay, OBC?

What do you think of unemployable old farts who got fired? (It was you
Matt.)

> What do you think of the man who promotes copyright violation?

What do you think of a man who threatens to kill Danny Keren and Mike
Stein? (It was you Matt.)

> What do you think of the man who promotes the most obscene language in
> the english language on the internet?

How does it feel to be the person who is quoted in that obscene
language? (It is you Matt.)

> Lets have an honest opinion of your fearless leader for a change.

Try to tell the truth for once. (Yes, you Matt.)

> The poor bum is unemployable at 56. Don't you think that is really a
> shame? Of course he was probably driven out of the Convenience Store Managers
> union because of his language or at leat the language of his volunteers.

Matt, you are the person who is unemployed and unemployable. You are
insanely jealous of McVay, who by the way, is not unemployable.

> Do you not really think this man is a disgrace to British Columbia and
> all of Canada?

No, I think you are a disgrace to the United States of America. You
Matt.

Oh, and by the way, another HUGE difference between you and McVay--he is
a winner. What does that make you, Matt?

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time

Scott aka Doc Tavish

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Feb 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/17/97
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Mel Goldstein wrote:
>
> Get a life Moran/Moron. Your drivel and constant posts show that you are a
> hate-filled frustrated individual with little or no education. After all,
> what can a renter of rollerskates know?
>
> You are a little man MORON/MORAN
>
> tom moran <t...@pacificnet.net> wrote in article
> <330f8887...@199.0.216.204>...

"...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
always attacks the opposing person..."

-- Scott aka Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>

Dene Bebbington

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Feb 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/17/97
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Chuck Ferree <chu...@rio.com> wrote:
>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
>Matt, why are you so silly? What's with all the phony names? You write
>the same baloney, what difference does it make using weird names?
>
>
>Luke Gopherstomper wrote:
>>
>> On {17 Feb 97 00:48:47 GMT}, {"Mel Goldstein" <pcl...@msn.com>} wrote in
>> {alt.revisionism}:
>> [AG the goose]
>>
>> >Moran is not an intellectual by any means. He rents roller blades to kids
>> >on the strand in the LA beach area. I know him personally and long ago
>> >decried him as a fool, bigot, and very frustrated person. Dumpster Tom (he
>> >gets the name from the place he obtains his clothing) is really a nobody to
>> >who this is a forum to express his idiotic views and get people to notice
>> >him. It's his fifteen minutes of fame.
>> >
>> >What a looser!
>
>Chuck> yeah and Moran knows that he is a loser. Has he no pride? Guess
>not.
>>
>> Speaking of losers, what do you think of the unemployable Ken McVay,
>OBC?
>
>Chuck> Well, first of all, McVay is employable. Can't say the same for
>Giwer. McVay has been recognized by the Canadian government for his
>contributions to society. Please list your deeds which have been
>appreciated by any group or indivivual.

I suspect that this is what galls Mr Giwer the most, that somebody who
he dislikes because of his superb efforts in countering Holocaust
denial, has got such an honour. Why, Mr Giwer has hardly anything left
(as if he had much initially!) to offer this newsgroup than to make
pissing in the wind statements about Mr McVays OBC.

[rest snipped]

--
Dene Bebbington

"I mean, who would have noticed | "It is impossible to enjoy idling
another madman around here?!" | thoroughly unless one has plenty
- Blackadder | of work to do." - Jerome K Jerome

Mark Van Alstine

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Feb 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/18/97
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In article <330f8887...@199.0.216.204>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
wrote:

> Behold the lie, tell your friends.

[re-posted Moranic(tm) garbage snipped]

For a rebuttal of Moran's post detailing his outright lies, malicious
distortions, propensity for propaganda, rampant anti-Semitism, and his
delusional state of mind, please refer to:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/behold-the-liar

The Moran (tm) is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.
The Moran (tm) generally conducts himself with such a complete lack of
intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
taking the time to read and respond other than to point out his vile
behavior. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please peruse
DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at:

http://www.dejanews.com/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding
Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the box-office? For
evidence of this please see:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-menorah-faq
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-schindler-faq

Mark

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Alex Vange

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mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>The Moran (tm) is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
>blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.
>The Moran (tm) generally conducts himself with such a complete lack of
>intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
>taking the time to read and respond other than to point out his vile
>behavior. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please peruse

The post above was written by, as far as I can determine, an
anti-Nazi engaged in blatant and offensive anti-Naziism, Jew apologia,
and holohoax affirmation. The writter of this rubbish conducts himself

SOG

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
to Alex Vange

Any you are a pig who I sincerely hope suffers the just rewards of your
filth. I'm sure your pig ancestor rutted with weasels to prode the
Germanic Swine that you are.

My uncle bombed a few of your cities and too bad the atomic bomb wan't
ready for your disgusting country...

Eat shit kraut!

SOG

SOG

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
to tav...@phoenix.net

AV SHIT aka Tavish...

Your feeble attempt at intellectual reparte sucks as does your feeble
thinking.

Kiss Morna/Moron's butt, or enter it. You deserve each other!

SOG

SOG

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
to Alex Vange

Does Vange like Wangie?

Up yours kraut arschloch

"Germans make good fertilizer, let's bag a few!...Pvt Joe Harris USA 332
Division 1944

Doctor Benway

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Feb 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/20/97
to

On {Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:06:58 +0000}, {Dene Bebbington <de...@bebbo.demon.co.uk>}

You misunderstand Mr. Giwer. He is joyous at finding Mr. McVay has
received the honor. He is thanking every god he can find at the discovery. It
has elevated him and his volunteers to a provincial scandal.

It was truly a boon from the gods.

_____

Spielberg bought an Oscar with a Schindler.
"Fight hate with obsenity." OBCon

If using jew as an adjective is antisemitic so is using arab as an adjective.
Any sufficienty advanced source code will look like magic.

SOG

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Feb 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/20/97
to tav...@phoenix.net

And I know who the Kraut assholes are.

SOG

Chuck Ferree

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Feb 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/20/97
to

Chuck wrote:

Just to keep the facts straight, regardless of the argument.

SOG wrote:
>
> Does Vange like Wangie?

Chuck> Vange is a creep!


>
> Up yours kraut arschloch
>
> "Germans make good fertilizer, let's bag a few!...Pvt Joe Harris USA 332
> Division 1944

Chuck> There was no such U.S. Army Division, not then, not now. If a
person is going to use the military, it pays to know a little about
the military.

Kruger

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Feb 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/22/97
to

On {Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:27:00 -0800}, {SOG <pcl...@usa.net>} wrote in
{alt.revisionism}:
[AG the Marduk]

Another Jew speaks for his tribe with the great wisdom and integrity of
all jews.


_____

Spielberg bought an Oscar with a Schindler.
"Fight hate with obsenity." OBCon
If using jew as an adjective is antisemitic so is using arab as an adjective.
Any sufficienty advanced source code will look like magic.

If the truth is antisemitc then antisemitism is justified.

Lucas McTavish

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
to

SOG wrote:
>
> And I know who the Kraut assholes are.
>
> SOG

SOG you are just a typical Nizkor puke. You show it by your anal
fixations!
Lucas McTavish

Allison Tait

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Feb 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/28/97
to

Lucas McTavish (tav...@phoenix.net) wrote:

No, he isn't. SOG is in no way connected with Nizkor. He's just a plain
old unaffiliated puke. Kill-file him.

SOG

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Mar 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/1/97
to

Another deep thinker. What a stupid response. Are you a female Allison?
Name could be either....

SOG

SOG

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Mar 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/2/97
to

You deserve the shit I make you eat scum!

SOG

SOG

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Mar 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/2/97
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That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!

SOG

Allison Tait <at...@uoguelph.ca> wrote in article
<5f5kf7$d...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>...

Anthony Sabatini

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Mar 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/4/97
to

SOG <pcl...@usa.net> wrote in article <01bc275e$e0bca600$2e7b50cc@main>...

> That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!

Allison is in no way "stifling free speech". She is merely using her right
not to read your posts. She hasn't prevented you from posting, has she,
SOGgy?

Michael P. Stein

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Mar 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/4/97
to

In article <01bc2837$b699b410$157213cc@server>,

Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>SOG <pcl...@usa.net> wrote in article <01bc275e$e0bca600$2e7b50cc@main>...
>> That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!
>
>Allison is in no way "stifling free speech". She is merely using her right
>not to read your posts.

Quite right. Freedom of speech entails not only the freedom to
listen, but also the freedom to refuse to listen. Do you suppose you
could explain that to Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, who once criticized
Ken McVay for refusing to meet with Zundel and raised a similar complaint
that Ken was therefore somehow betraying American notions of free speech?

--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

Anthony Sabatini

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Mar 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/7/97
to

Michael P. Stein <mst...@access1.digex.net> wrote in article
<5fgoqj$4...@access1.digex.net>...

> In article <01bc2837$b699b410$157213cc@server>,
> Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
> >SOG <pcl...@usa.net> wrote in article
<01bc275e$e0bca600$2e7b50cc@main>...
> >> That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!
> >
> >Allison is in no way "stifling free speech". She is merely using
her right
> >not to read your posts.
>
> Quite right. Freedom of speech entails not only the freedom to
> listen, but also the freedom to refuse to listen. Do you suppose
you
> could explain that to Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, who once
criticized
> Ken McVay for refusing to meet with Zundel and raised a similar
complaint
> that Ken was therefore somehow betraying American notions of free
speech?

I have publicly stated it. Now as to whether or not these individuals
will take note, there is nothing I can do about it.

[.sig snipped]

CCed to Mike Stein.


Doc Tavish

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Mar 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/7/97
to

SOG wrote:
>
> You deserve the shit I make you eat scum!
>
> SOG

Yeah SOG just keep your mouth running while you can. You'll be squealing
like stuck pig when we shove the rotisserie skewer where the sun don't
shine on April 20th! You'll cook quite well over an open fire! You'll
probably give us all gas BUT that is why we'll have plenty of Tagment on
hand. Burp!

TAVISH :->

Bruno says that he knows how to tenderize you too. I think he wants to
use his 20 foot whip! Ouch!

SOG

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Mar 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/11/97
to

Hope you have plenty of dog feces for your Nazi friends & lover boyz...

SOG

Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> wrote in article
<3320E4...@phoenix.net>...

Mean Green

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Mar 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/17/97
to

On 4 Mar 1997 04:08:35 -0500, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <01bc2837$b699b410$157213cc@server>,
>Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>>SOG <pcl...@usa.net> wrote in article <01bc275e$e0bca600$2e7b50cc@main>...
>>> That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!
>>
>>Allison is in no way "stifling free speech". She is merely using her right
>>not to read your posts.
>
> Quite right. Freedom of speech entails not only the freedom to
>listen, but also the freedom to refuse to listen. Do you suppose you
>could explain that to Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, who once criticized
>Ken McVay for refusing to meet with Zundel and raised a similar complaint
>that Ken was therefore somehow betraying American notions of free speech?

Of course the little shit McVay was refusing to deal with Zundel.

And when a synagogue answered the phone and a CJC member responded to the
call by email there was no longer any question of Nizkor being a jew front
organization.

They were sloppy and very dumb.

No one can change that.

So what else is your problem?

-----
Failing to have facts on their side, kikes indulge in character
assassination as their only means of dealing with what they do not
like. If that fails they post obscene references to male genitalia.
-
Nizkor - financed by the El Manual Congregation

Dene Bebbington

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Mar 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/18/97
to

Mean Green <mot...@outer.space> wrote:
>On 4 Mar 1997 04:08:35 -0500, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
>>In article <01bc2837$b699b410$157213cc@server>,
>>Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>>>SOG <pcl...@usa.net> wrote in article <01bc275e$e0bca600$2e7b50cc@main>...
>>>> That's right Allison stiffle free speach.....Muy Stupida!
>>>
>>>Allison is in no way "stifling free speech". She is merely using her right
>>>not to read your posts.
>>
>> Quite right. Freedom of speech entails not only the freedom to
>>listen, but also the freedom to refuse to listen. Do you suppose you
>>could explain that to Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland, who once criticized
>>Ken McVay for refusing to meet with Zundel and raised a similar complaint
>>that Ken was therefore somehow betraying American notions of free speech?
>
> Of course the little shit McVay was refusing to deal with Zundel.

Well, Ken McVay is under no obligaton to meet with Zundel.

[further Giwerdrivel snipped]

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