NEW Orthodox Icon Website
Father Mihalis
and holiness of our combined Eastern Orthodox heritage.... ICONS.
The site is designed so that anyone may view and download the icons that they
may find pleasing them and lead them to prayer.
So many things separate us in this sinful world. It is my hope that, through
my humble efforts, we may at least be united, (in at least some small way), in
prayer despite our differences in jurisdictions or opinions.
This is a completely commercial free site as well as free to all who visit.
There are two CHRISTIAN banner exchange programs which I have joined in my
effort to attract non-Orthodox and Orthodox visitors to the web pages in order
to expose them to the beauty of our heritage.
This page is my gift to all of you... those who grew to like me from the time
I used to post here... and those who did not for any reason. It is a gift for
the new millennium and for the approaching time of Advent and Christmas. May
this time of new beginnings and renewal be a time of forgiveness, prayer and
true spiritual renewal.
Farewell, once again. I just wanted to intrude one last time in your newsgroup
to invite you to visit the site.
The site address is: http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/icons
God bless you....
Mihalis+
Wayne
What Orthodox Church, would this be a part of, Father? Is this the Church of the
rainbow crowd? Who is the bishop of this Church? Would he be someone who is
canonically ordained? You still have not answered any of the questions from your
last foray into this newsgroup. We would be better disposed towards you, Father,
if you only assumed ONE identity this time and gave us honest and straight-forward
answers. Otherwise, well...expect LOTS and LOTS of questions.
--
Wayne
Z and ALTR
>I have taken the time to create an Orthodox Web site dedicated to the beauty
>and holiness of our combined Eastern Orthodox heritage.... ICONS.
Dear Fr. Mihalis:
Thank you for letting us know about this web site. I visited it and am very
interested in some information about the various icons. Could you please give
us some background on the origin and time period of the icons. They seem to be
of a later period than the 11th and 6th century icons we have in our church.
Also, the style seems different on the various Panagias so that they must be
from different jurisdictions. I collect icons - have 35 of them to date - and
would appreciate this information. Perhaps a caption under each icon
identifying the jurisdiction and date would be of interest to others who may
visit your site. Again, thank you.
Yiasou
Zoe
Wayne
> >What Orthodox Church, would this be a part of, Father? Is this the Church of
> >the
> >rainbow crowd? Who is the bishop of this Church? Would he be someone who is
> >canonically ordained? You still have not answered any of the questions from
> >your
> >last foray into this newsgroup. We would be better disposed towards you,
> >Father,
> >if you only assumed ONE identity this time and gave us honest and
> >straight-forward
> >answers. Otherwise, well...expect LOTS and LOTS of questions.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Wayne
> >
>
> What a terrible response to his obviously sincere post. I don't care what your
> reasons were for your response, it was evil, pure and simple. What a hateful
> post. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
>
> By the way, I was told that Icons are a part of THE Orthodox Church...and the
> ones he has on his web pages certainly are beautiful and honor Christ and the
> Mother of God...regardless of what jurisdiction he, his bishop or his ministry
> are. Your post cannot detract from the beautiful icons he has displayed.
>
> Yours was an insulting post to other posters and readers online... you are
> certainly one who needs to go to this man's new page and reflect over the Icons
> there... perhaps, God will touch your heart with some repentance.
>
> Am I angry? You bet I am...I did a search on AOL for Eastern Orthodox and this
> N was the only one which appeared. It is not a good representation of Orthodoxy
> as far as I can tell. (Not to say that all of the posters online are like you,
> they most certainly are not. Many of the other posts from others were
> wonderful, like from "Mantana" and "GS" and others.) As I said, I just found
> this Orthodox newsgroup and am already regretting that I did when I see a post
> like yours. As someone who is studying Orthodoxy with the intent to convert,
> your post is most disheartening. Not one point in his post called for the reply
> you gave to him. He even made a statement that he was not remaining in the NG.
> Your post was filled with venom. If someone like you can call yourself an
> Orthodox Christian, (much less a Christian), than I wonder why I am looking
> forward to converting from my Protestant heritage at all.
>
> The website described was truly, as he posted, "a gift," and it brought
> reverence and inner peace to my day. Your post did quite the opposite to my
> day.
>
> You should not be posting such comments publically for all to see... there are
> those who just "happen" by. It is a poor example to all, especially others who
> are not of your Faith.
> Your comment should have been sent privately to him, as he DOES list his E-Mail
> address quite prominently on the website, and not posted publically. Were you
> looking for "atta-boy" comments or to try to look as a "defender of the Faith"
> or exactly what? To me, your post made you look like a fool....
>
> Enough said... I won't be staying here. There are other list-servs around that
> I have heard are moderated and more Christian in nature. List-servs that
> certainly would not have tolerated your venomous reply to such a peace-filled
> and sincere posting. There is just too much un-Christian attitudes around when
> someone like you can post what he did and have nobody else on the newsgroup
> express disappointment or anger. Don't bother publically flaming me either,
> Wayne, as I won't be back to read your post... unless you wish to flame me
> publically in an attempt to get some support or an "atta-boy" which you seem to
> strive for, obviously... but I won;t see the post. Of course, you have my
> e-mail address... not that you will use it I suppose... it won't get the public
> attention you quite obviously seek.
>
> I will pray for you....
>
> Susan
You do that, Susie Q. I can use all the prayers people are willing to give. But
this so-called Father isn't the person he "claims" to be. He has been caught in
lies in this newsgroup in the past and I am not politically correct enough to fear
calling a spade a spade. If my remarks are too gauche for your sensitivities,
well...killfile me. But don't expect me to sit idly by while this charletan tries
to weasel back in here with his phoney "gift" of a few icon gifs. I'm not quite
that STUPIDO! The guy is about as genuine as a three dollar bill and until he comes
CLEAN with us, he is nothing but a homosexual priest looking for acceptance and a
platform.
--
Wayne
Wayne
BTW...for someone who has no knowledge of the history of this person, you certainly
appear overly anxious to jump in and point a self-righteous and condemnatory
finger at me. A simple, why did you post this, Wayne, would seem a tad more
appropriate from someone claiming to be so deeply offended by my words. If you are
truly seeking Orthodoxy, find a local church and priest and attend the liturgy and
stop being so easily offended by others. You have heard, no doubt, that Paul
withstood Peter to the face. I don't imagine it was a particularly pleasant chat.
--
Wayne
proto alban
who refused to indentify himself?
BTW I went to your website and read of your conversion. Being a convert
myself, I could identify with a lot of it. But I came into a small,
ethnically diverse congregation where I was not the only wasp convert.
When in travelling I would attend more ethnic oriented churches, who
would not take me at my word that I am indeed Orthodox. I had to give
them a virtual autobiography.
What's your jurisdiction, who's your Archbishop or Metropolitan, who's
your Bishop, who's your Priest, what's your home parish?
And if I dared to request the Holy Mysteries, it would become even
worse.
It seems that not a few of us Orthodox are overly suspicious, no other
church demands your passport at the door.
Small wonder then that prospective converts are sometimes frightened
away.
Wilkerson
Church they are not known at, it is the job of the priest to guard the
Lord's Table. He should be asking questions. Most churches do not ask
questions because they are not serious about the Lord's presence in the
Bread and Wine. Being serious about this makes the Orthodox Church care
about who it is their people are partaking with. This would, no doubt scare
some prospective converts away. Perhaps some of them should be scared away.
I'm not saying this thinking that you are ignorant of this. I'm just
emphasizing the proper reason for questioning, or even for asking for proof
of your being Orthodox before giving one a place at the Eucharistic Table. I
believe it was common in the early Church for the one travelling to carry a
letter from their Bishop establishing their being a Christian in the Church,
precisely so they could be received in another locale at the Table (if I'm
wrong about this, someone let me know). I'm sure there are cases of
questioning that are mere suspicion and curiosity, or even bigotry.
The Lord bless you,
Keith
proto alban wrote in message
<19-3813...@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
GS
I love you. I love Waynebob, too. Since you live in Canada, you can
look forward to meeting dear Mihailis. Love him, too. Even love muyself
on the rare occasion. hate the sin, love the sinner kind of thing, I am
sure you understand.
Galina
PS. Now I have to go look at whatever website Wayne was talking about
and give my random impressions. Hmmmm.....
http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/icons/images/img9.gif
........I guess the first thing I note is the icons themselves.
Beautiful, huh! Nothing about them....kind of sloppy when he saved the
images from other websites...,.,..some are unique. He does not discuss
them....Maybe he should purchase or borrow Uspenski and Losski's The
Meaning of Icons.....Pray Often! Yes! and Pray for Priests, real or
imagined , ordained or self-made, will do! Pray for me , too, I'm a bad
one, much worse than our Wayne by far!........The banner for CHristian
Punk Metal is a bit disturbing, along with the other banners....oh well,
I giess one has to make a few bucks off of even a free webpage....I
guess one thing that concerns me is that these were saved form other
sites without attribution so the iconwriters/painters, churches,
monasteries, bookstores, and websites originating them don't get
mentioned....Sure we all love icons...And we all love starry skies
backgrounds...Oh yes, and he is still calling himself Father while
talking about Orthodoxy.
GS
>> Thread: Travel Website
>> Message 1 of 9
Subject:
Travel Website
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
Anon Mail <anon...@nym.alias.net>
Posting History
Check out a great site at http://www.priceline.com.
Feel free to visit and post at the Yahoo Club I
started recently to discuss bidding for hotels and/or airfares
through Priceline.
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pricelinedeals
Sheryl
sme...@flash.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Subject:
Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
Susan20005784305 <susan200...@aol.com>
Posting History
>Subject: Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
>From: Sheryl s_m...@flash.ent
>Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 11:11 PM EDT
>Message-id: <380BE17C...@flash.net>
>
>And now I'll respond to the most prolific spammer
on this group...
>
>How many aliases is that now, Father Michael,
MarksHereNow, firecraftr?
>I lost count. And BTW, you're not very clever, or
believable, for that
>matter.
>
Huh? What is that all about? I ask a simple question
and now I am accused of being a spammer
myself...????
You ARE a curious person... and I still find it
curious how you go to great length to quote the entire
ANONYMOUS post...including your website promotion...
in your reply denying you wrote it in the first
place..instead of snipping it as most people do...
As for believable... I am not trying to be anything
but myself... and I do not post anonymously OR promote
any sites or commercial enterprises like Priceline
in my posts...which you continually seem to do.... at least
until recently...when you seem to have stopped doing
that, too...at least for now...
Subject:
Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
Susan20005784305 <susan200...@aol.com>
Posting History
>Subject: Re: Travel Website
>From: Sheryl s_m...@flash.ent
>Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 08:52 PM EDT
>Message-id: <380BC0DD...@flash.net>
>
>Keep posting and I'll keep refuting. What a
freakin idiot.
>
>I did not post the message that appears below. I'm
not a spammer.
>
>Anon Mail wrote:
>>
>> Check out a great site at
http://www.priceline.com.
>>
>> Feel free to visit and post at the Yahoo Club I
started recently to
>> discuss bidding for hotels and/or airfares
through Priceline.
>> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pricelinedeals
>
Hmmm.... your refuting does not disallow the fact
that you could very well be the person promoting your
website. There seems to be no other "advertising" in
the post except for Priceline.com and your site.
Additionally, your recent posts do "promote" your
site after each of your replies... and that too is a
"promotion", is it not?
Question... what difference does it make if you
promote your site at the bottom of your replies to people or
if your post anonymously with the same promotion?
Are not both a form of spamming the newsgroup?
Perhaps, if you just ignored the anonymous posts
that you either are or are not making, (why would anyone
but you make such posts promoting YOUR site?) would
not lend you more credibility than to constantly
make the same claim that you are not the person
making the posts?
I have read several of your posts having found this
newsgroup by accident after a referral by a friend. You
seem to attack with relish people who spam, yet are
blind to the fact that your promotion of your site in your
replies, (if, in fact, you are not the anonymous
poster), is also a form of spam.
Oh well....
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>> Forum: rec.travel.air
>> Thread: Travel Website - Just curious....
>> Message 4 of 9
Subject:
Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
ellen <el...@spam.free.at.last>
Posting History
In article
<19991018220820...@ng-bj1.aol.com>,
Susan20005784305 <susan200...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Travel Website
>>From: Sheryl s_m...@flash.ent
>>Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 08:52 PM EDT
>>Message-id: <380BC0DD...@flash.net>
>>
>>Keep posting and I'll keep refuting. What a
freakin idiot.
>>
>>I did not post the message that appears below.
I'm not a spammer.
>>
>>Anon Mail wrote:
>>>
>>> Check out a great site at
http://www.priceline.com.
>>>
>>> Feel free to visit and post at the Yahoo Club I
started recently to
>>> discuss bidding for hotels and/or airfares
through Priceline.
>>> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pricelinedeals
>>
>
>Hmmm.... your refuting does not disallow the fact
that you could very well be
>the person promoting your website. There seems to
be no other "advertising" in
>the post except for Priceline.com and your site.
That's what makes it 'spam'.
>Additionally, your recent
>posts do "promote" your site after each of your
replies... and that too is a
>"promotion", is it not?
Yes, but it is not 'spam' and it is within Usenet
netiquette in terms of length.
>Question... what difference does it make if you
promote your site at the bottom
>of your replies to people or if your post
anonymously with the same promotion?
>Are not both a form of spamming the newsgroup?
No. See above.
>Perhaps, if you just ignored the anonymous posts
that you either are or are not
>making, (why would anyone but you make such posts
promoting YOUR site?) would
>not lend you more credibility than to constantly
make the same claim that you
>are not the person making the posts?
Those of us who know Sheryl do not need anything to
'lend her more credibility' -- she already is totally
credible. I personally think it is a service to the
group for her to point out the forgeries, btw.
>I have read several of your posts having found this
newsgroup by accident after
>a referral by a friend. You seem to attack with
relish people who spam, yet are
>blind to the fact that your promotion of your site
in your replies, (if, in
>fact, you are not the anonymous poster), is also a
form of spam.
Not by the conventional definitions of 'spam'.
>Oh well....
I agree with you there. ;)
Forum: rec.travel.air
>> Thread: Travel Website - Just curious....
>> Message 6 of 9
Subject:
Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
Date:
1999/10/18
Author:
Sheryl <s_m...@flash.ent>
Posting History
And now I'll respond to the most prolific spammer on
this group...
How many aliases is that now, Father Michael,
MarksHereNow, firecraftr? I lost count. And BTW, you're not
very clever, or believable, for that matter.
Susan20005784305 wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Travel Website
> >From: Sheryl s_m...@flash.ent
> >Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 08:52 PM EDT
> >Message-id: <380BC0DD...@flash.net>
> >
> >Keep posting and I'll keep refuting. What a
freakin idiot.
> >
> >I did not post the message that appears below.
I'm not a spammer.
> >
> >Anon Mail wrote:
> >>
> >> Check out a great site at
http://www.priceline.com.
> >>
> >> Feel free to visit and post at the Yahoo Club I
started recently to
> >> discuss bidding for hotels and/or airfares
through Priceline.
> >> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pricelinedeals
> >
>
> Hmmm.... your refuting does not disallow the fact
that you could very well be
> the person promoting your website. There seems to
be no other "advertising" in
> the post except for Priceline.com and your site.
Additionally, your recent
> posts do "promote" your site after each of your
replies... and that too is a
> "promotion", is it not?
>
> Question... what difference does it make if you
promote your site at the bottom
> of your replies to people or if your post
anonymously with the same promotion?
> Are not both a form of spamming the newsgroup?
>
> Perhaps, if you just ignored the anonymous posts
that you either are or are not
> making, (why would anyone but you make such posts
promoting YOUR site?) would
> not lend you more credibility than to constantly
make the same claim that you
> are not the person making the posts?
>
> I have read several of your posts having found
this newsgroup by accident after
> a referral by a friend. You seem to attack with
relish people who spam, yet are
> blind to the fact that your promotion of your site
in your replies, (if, in
> fact, you are not the anonymous poster), is also a
form of spam.
>
> Oh well....
>> Forum: rec.travel.air
>> Thread: Travel Website - Just curious....
>> Message 7 of 9
Subject:
Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
Susan20005784305 <susan200...@aol.com>
Posting History
>Subject: Re: Travel Website - Just curious....
>From: Sheryl s_m...@flash.ent
>Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 11:11 PM EDT
>Message-id: <380BE17C...@flash.net>
>
>And now I'll respond to the most prolific spammer
on this group...
>
>How many aliases is that now, Father Michael,
MarksHereNow, firecraftr?
>I lost count. And BTW, you're not very clever, or
believable, for that
>matter.
>
Huh? What is that all about? I ask a simple question
and now I am accused of being a spammer
myself...????
You ARE a curious person... and I still find it
curious how you go to great length to quote the entire
ANONYMOUS post...including your website promotion...
in your reply denying you wrote it in the first
place..instead of snipping it as most people do...
As for believable... I am not trying to be anything
but myself... and I do not post anonymously OR promote
any sites or commercial enterprises like Priceline
in my posts...which you continually seem to do.... at least
until recently...when you seem to have stopped doing
that, too...at least for now...
Posting History: susan200...@aol.com
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GS
evagr...@my-deja.com
I didn't know that Jesus dealt only with special invitees. I thought
all were invited to His Table.
While it is important that the Eucharist be respected, some of the
interrogation bits are a tad over the line. It has nothing to do with
"protecting" the Lord's Table and more to do with xenophobia and
exclusivism, two old diseases of Orthodox.
A simple notice in the Church bulletin, welcoming non-believers and
stating that communion is for believers only and why is effective and
respectful. It does more good than having someone interrogating you.
( Some of the practices you describe had to do with preventing
infiltrators and informants. I doubt that we have these today.)
In article <7v1cqm$2g...@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Wilkerson
evagr...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7v2cuv$l0s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Mr. Wilkerson,
>I didn't know that Jesus dealt only with special invitees. I thought
>all were invited to His Table.
>While it is important that the Eucharist be respected, some of the
>interrogation bits are a tad over the line. It has nothing to do with
>"protecting" the Lord's Table and more to do with xenophobia and
>exclusivism, two old diseases of Orthodox.
>A simple notice in the Church bulletin, welcoming non-believers and
>stating that communion is for believers only and why is effective and
>respectful. It does more good than having someone interrogating you.
>
>( Some of the practices you describe had to do with preventing
>infiltrators and informants. I doubt that we have these today.)
>
>
Certainly some interrogation may be for the wrong reasons (this may happen
often, I don't know), however, there are always wolves, some of whom may
even believe their motives to be pure. Questioning does not have to be
uncivil or demeaning and speaking to people personally rather than through
means of a bulletin might be considered more personal in its attention and
can be a witness to God's glory rather than a slap in the face to the person
who is talked to. I'm speaking here of someone officially speaking for the
Church, not just anyone in the Church coming up and commencing asking
questions to determine if they are properly Orthodox. I'm sure that can
happen.
Alexander Arnakis
><snipped>
>The banner for Christian
>Punk Metal is a bit disturbing, along with the other banners...
You think THAT is disturbing? I once ran across a fellow on Usenet who
was seriously extolling "Christian" sadomasochism as a form of
enjoyable lovemaking within marriage! He wasn't joking! He contended
that anything was acceptable in this regard as long as both parties
consented. What a sicko!
Alexander Arnakis
wrote:
>
>Certainly some interrogation may be for the wrong reasons (this may happen
>often, I don't know), however, there are always wolves, some of whom may
Why not just give everyone the Lord's Supper who wants it? The mere
fact that they are asking to partake proves that they have at least a
modicum of faith. What's the harm to the other believers present?
(Speaking as one who would not participate in Holy Communion again
even if they tried to force it down my throat!)
proto alban
I was interrogated when I did NOT request the Holy Mysteries. simply
because I was not "ethnically correct" and looked different.
I added that when I did dare to ask for Holy Communion, it just made
things even worse.
Yes, one should indeed establish one's Orthodoxy before receiving
Communion, but it could have been done in a more polite manner. After
all both my Jurisdiction and theirs are in communion with each other,
and serve together.
Stupid convert that I am, iwas under the impression that Orthodox is
Orthodox, and is the true faith. It seems for some that Orthodoxy is
just a way of preserving a national heritage.
Ever hear of phyletism? A heresy I believe.
Hyperanaxios, alban
GS
Alexander Arnakis wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:05:33 -0500, "Wilkerson" <k...@ccaonline.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >Certainly some interrogation may be for the wrong reasons (this may happen
> >often, I don't know), however, there are always wolves, some of whom may
> >even believe their motives to be pure. <snipped>
>
> Why not just give everyone the Lord's Supper who wants it?
We have communal bread for everyone. the body and blood of Christ are not a
casual thrill
GS
Alexander Arnakis wrote:
Where there is life , there is hope
>
>
Wilkerson
wanted to make clear why some dialogue is necessary when it came to the
Eucharist. Love and graciousness should be freely shown to all: Orthodox or
not.
The Lord bless you,
Keith
proto alban wrote in message
<29990-38...@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
sme...@hotmail.com
is one of the biggest spammers on the internet, an admitted liar with an
untold number of online identities. Recently, he's also posted under
MarksHereNow and firecraftr. He's got lots more pseudonyms as well.
In article <38149DFA...@erols.com>,
GS
sme...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Three cheers for the person who exposed "Susan" as Father Michael. He
> is one of the biggest spammers on the internet, an admitted liar with an
> untold number of online identities. Recently, he's also posted under
> MarksHereNow and firecraftr. He's got lots more pseudonyms as well.
The Firecraftr netname is his old one from Aol that I found on the last
round of exposures. This group really knows little about him outside him
posing as a priest of our religion without being willing to provide evidence
of the same. He apparently sells a book about how to get away from having
to pay for speeding tickets or something related to that, and some travel
and other net business
As for MarksHereNow, I just picked a representative post, and it does not
sound quite like him:
Subject:
Re: Truth about cops...
Date:
1999/10/19
Author:
MarksHereNow <marksh...@aol.com>
Posting History
>Subject: Truth about cops...
>From: Doc.Truth@.com (Doc.Truth)
>Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 09:14 PM EDT
>Message-id: <380cc5f7...@news.erols.com>
>
>On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:42:00 -0400 (EDT),
pd2...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>Most of us already know cops are stupid...come on,
look, most of them
>have no "higher"education.
I have a Master's Degree in Criminal Psychology as well
as Educational Psychology.
Someone who is "stupid" would be a person like yourself
who makes such obviously blanket ridiculous
statements.
I will check him out.
sme...@hotmail.com
one time or another, he's said he lives in Toronto and his parents live
in St. Louis. All net names are through aol.ca as well. He claims to
be an ex-cop, worked in the travel industry, member of the clergy. WOW,
this guy has had one heck of a career, hasn't he.
In article <38169AD9...@erols.com>,
Susan20005784305
>Three cheers for the person who exposed "Susan" as Father Michael.
There are MANY, MANY things I am not sure of in this world... one thing I am
most DEFINITELY sure of..that is my sex... I am most certainly NOT a male...nor
am I the Father in question.
The more I get snippets from this NG, the more I believe that it is the devil's
advocate against Orthodoxy.
If you go to Deja News and look up the person, Sheryl, who posted this, you
will find that not only does she spam, but then again..that is HER word against
mine and others and she also has been accused of several other things by her
newsgroup groupies and she is not exactly the most "liked" person, either.
So I could care less about what she writes... and the fact that she now asserts
that I am a man and someone else is just too ludicrous to fathom. I also find
it interesting that she now has yet another e-mail address to post from... what
is that now, three or four? So I would not be complaining about someone having
multiple identities if I were her...
Bryan J. Maloney
<Arn...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Why not just give everyone the Lord's Supper who wants it? The mere
> fact that they are asking to partake proves that they have at least a
> modicum of faith. What's the harm to the other believers present?
Taking it in an unworthy manner imperil's one's soul. Thus, we are to
guard against handing it out willy-nilly.
Linda
expedition?
Susan20005784305 <susan200...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991028204355...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> Once again, this was forwarded to my E-Mail...
>
> >Three cheers for the person who exposed "Susan" as Father Michael.
>
Yojimbo
GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote:
[..]
> > >The banner for Christian
> > >Punk Metal is a bit disturbing, along with the other banners...
> >
> > You think THAT is disturbing? I once ran across a fellow on Usenet
who
> > was seriously extolling "Christian" sadomasochism as a form of
> > enjoyable lovemaking within marriage! He wasn't joking! He contended
> > that anything was acceptable in this regard as long as both parties
> > consented. What a sicko!
>
> Where there is life , there is hope
I laughed so hard, it hurt.
--
"They say one thing in the piazza and another in
the palazza." Italian proverb, quoted in
Niccolo Machiavelli's "Discourses on Livy" I,52,2
Nick Theodorakis
susan200...@aol.com (Susan20005784305) wrote:
> >LOL...You're too funny. BTW...are you Orthodox or just here on a
> trolling
> >expedition?
Perhaps then you will understand why Wayne and Linda are so zealous in
demanding why Fr. Mihalis reveal his affiliation: because inquirers do
read this ng, and they need to understand who is actually Orthodox and
who are pretenders.
For example, recently we have had several messages (some abusive) from
(1) a Victor Prentice, who claims to be a Metropolitan of a group
called theocacna (who, last we heard "excommunicated" the entire church
of Greece, and the OCA, and anyone in communion with them), and (2) a
self-proclaimed Archimandrite from a "Ukrainian" jurisdiction that no
one has heard of.
And for Fr. Mihalis, if you are reading this, keep in mind that the
reason some people have been harsh in demanding that you reveal your
affiliation is because of shenanigans by people such as those described
above.
If you are seriously considering Orthodoxy, the best thing to do is
find a church and a priest to talk with. The internet is not the
Church, as we sometimes like to point out.
In XC,
Nick
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Alexander Arnakis
Whose soul does it imperil, the believer's who partakes, or the
priest's who dispenses? "Unworthiness" is at root something to do
exclusively with the conscience of the believer.
Obviously, if someone wants to take Communion, that persont believes
that the action has some metaphysical/trancendental significance, or
at least that it brings him/her closer to Christ. Since this process
is an internal one that takes place within the believer's conscience,
"external" requirements are at best unenforceable and at worst cheapen
the entire experience.
Susan20005784305
GS
Alexander Arnakis wrote:
It is significant and we prepare for it. It is special, and should remain
special. SO that like Judas we not give him a kiss but like the thief
confess him.
Bryan J. Maloney
<Arn...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Whose soul does it imperil, the believer's who partakes, or the
The partaker, unless the priest has knowingly given it to an unbeliever or
to someone unworthy or has knowingly neglected his guardianship of the
table.
> Obviously, if someone wants to take Communion, that persont believes
> that the action has some metaphysical/trancendental significance, or
> at least that it brings him/her closer to Christ. Since this process
> is an internal one that takes place within the believer's conscience,
> "external" requirements are at best unenforceable and at worst cheapen
> the entire experience.
Insisting upon an absolute dichotomy between "internal" (spiritual) and
"external" is not Orthodox and leans into Gnosticism.