"Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
David McDonald
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
>missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
>a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
>Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
>pillion).
>Have fun.
Imagine, if you will, a pregnant Dolly on back of Deswaldo's bike. :-)
David
A Planet Visitor
"David McDonald" <david_m...@subspacemail.com> wrote in message
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Awwwwww... There goes my supper. Barffffff.
PV
> David
>
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
> missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
> a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
> Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
> pillion).
>
> will be able to lose some of that distinctive 'rosy red' tinge ...
>
> Have fun.
>
Don't let the door hit you in the ass. And while you're away,
it would be beneficial if you practiced your English to make
yourself more clearly understood here, in addition to maybe
understanding my 'big' words, so I don't have to dumb-down
my posts.
PV
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |EVEN SATAN KNOWS
|AND LIFTS HIS BROW IN WONDER AT
|THE EVIL DESI SHOWS
Cerberus
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
> missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
> a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
> Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
> pillion).
>
> I shall try to find the occasional cybercafé, but at least LDB's arse
> will be able to lose some of that distinctive 'rosy red' tinge ...
>
> Have fun.
>
> Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
> Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
> desmond @ zeouane.org
> http: // www . zeouane . org
Please don't chuck it down the road again!!! (note the HTML turned off)
WooF w00f WooF
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<Cerb...@riverstyx.net> wrote:
> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
> news:slrnakq8lc.2mdt....@lievre.voute.net...
> > ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
> > missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
> > a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
> > Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
> > pillion).
> >
> > I shall try to find the occasional cybercafé, but at least LDB's arse
> > will be able to lose some of that distinctive 'rosy red' tinge ...
> >
> > Have fun.
> >
> > --
> > Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
> > Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
> > desmond @ zeouane.org
> > http: // www . zeouane . org
>
>
> Please don't chuck it down the road again!!! (note the HTML turned off)
Did your daddy show you how?
ROTFLMAO!
Mr Q. Z. D.
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If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
St.George
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
> missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
> a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
> Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
> pillion).
Why does everyone go in August?
It seems the entire country closes down
JIGSAW1695
From: "St.George" ama.99@bt＃internet.00com
Date: 8/5/2002 5:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <ailg7t$7pg$1...@venus.btinternet.com>
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In terms of history, August was the month when Germany, the UK, Italy and
Beligum invaded France.
Leaving Paris, if not France, is just a traditonal carryover from the past.
A Planet Visitor
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020805075020...@mb-ce.aol.com...
One of the 'classics,' jigsaw. I can picture desi banging his head on the
front of his 'chopper.'
PV
John Rennie
Spot on, Jiggy. Now that explains Agincourt. All other explanations
about why a force supposedly six times superior in numbers, fighting on its
home ground, loses to a disease ridden raggle taggle bunch of yeomen are now
superfluous
David McDonald
>We're still in France, due to a slight technical problem with the bike.
>Tomorrow, Spain beckons. :-)
Deswaldo, that is what happens when you ride that Jap scrap.
David
dirtdog
wrote:
>
>"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
>news:slrnakq8lc.2mdt....@lievre.voute.net...
>> ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
>> missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
>> a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
>> Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
>> pillion).
>>
>> I shall try to find the occasional cybercafé, but at least LDB's arse
>> will be able to lose some of that distinctive 'rosy red' tinge ...
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> --
>> Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>> Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>> desmond @ zeouane.org
>> http: // www . zeouane . org
>
>
>Please don't chuck it down the road again!!! (note the HTML turned off)
>
>WooF w00f WooF
>
>
>
And I should fucking hope so too.
In my capacity as moderator of this group, I was of a mind to report
you to your provider, this of course being a non-binary group.
I shall allow it to pass this time, just don't let the fucker happen
again, or I shall be forced to impregnate your mother's dirtbox with
my throbbing wand of pleasure.
w00f
incubus
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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>
> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
> news:slrnakq8lc.2mdt....@lievre.voute.net...
> > ... but as August is traditionally 'holiday month' in Paris, the
> > missus and I have to pack our bags, and head off to the Sun for
> > a month. The Basque Country, Bilbao, Lisbon, Sevilla, Madrid, and
> > Barcelona, await us (with no accidents this time, as I have a
> > pillion).
> >
> > I shall try to find the occasional cybercafé, but at least LDB's arse
> > will be able to lose some of that distinctive 'rosy red' tinge ...
> >
> > Have fun.
> >
> Don't let the door hit you in the ass. And while you're away,
> it would be beneficial if you practiced your English to make
> yourself more clearly understood here, in addition to maybe
> understanding my 'big' words, so I don't have to dumb-down
> my posts.
I doubt whether he owns a mule ;-)
Sorry, couldn't resist
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:07:53 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:53:25 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>Still in Sabres ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Have fun.
>
>> we will. Have a decent holiday Desi
>
>We're still in France, due to a slight technical problem with the bike.
>Tomorrow, Spain beckons. :-)
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
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Desi is afraid of his own words! He can be reached at des...@noos.fr or
des...@zeouane.org.
As everyone knows, only COWARDS forge posts yet don't allow their own to be
archived!
Now Desi, Tell us about the Baltimore County police.
dirtdog
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>"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:qtp8lu8pvdei7gi2n...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:02:31 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
>> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Cerberus" <Cerb...@riverstyx.net> wrote in message news:3d522...@goliath.newsgroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:slrnal23mo.4vi.pasde...@lievre.voute.net...
>>
>>
>> <attempts to show off by all three posters snipped>
>>
>> Sorry lads, pointless waffle in foreign as an attempt to look 'clever'
>> is *OFF TOPIC*
>>
>> Kindly take your inane rambings elsewhere and utilise (ho ho ho) some
>> more decorum in future
>>
>Ummm... 'education' (sic)?????
>
>'A good lawyer is a great liar.'
>SOCRATES (That's Socrates Jones)
>
>PV
>
>> w00f
>
>it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
>joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
>Apparently they will let ANYONE become a lawyer in
>the U.K. (of course, we already suspected that, if dirt
>is 'actually' a lawyer). It seems that Louise Woodward,
>a convicted murderer (okay.. 'only' manslaughterer),
>of a little baby, has now received her Law degree from
>Southbank University in London. Wasn't that where
>YOU received your 'classical education' (sic), dirt?
>Good old Louise, now 24, attended the graduation with
>her controversial parents Gary and Sue, who split up
>after their daughter returned to England. Both were
>accused of bilking thousands from Louise's appeal
>fund, but were cleared by a judge. Louise smiled for
>photographers after being awarded her degree. When
>she first returned to England she went to work for
>the legal department of a collection agency in Edinburgh
>(your firm, perhaps?), before starting her three-year law
>degree course (a 'classical education' only takes three
>years, compared to the usual four). This is NO JOKE.
>Of course, Louise, dirt, and the entire United Kingdom
>legal profession IS A JOKE. But this is NO JOKE. In
>the U.S., a conviction for manslaughter usually
>creates a big problem for someone in pursuit of becoming
>a member of the legal 'profession' (sic).
Deja vu?
You boring old tosser.
w00f
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:02:36 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> For info, and without any malice, a few pointers ...
>
> { snip }
>
> > For info, and without any malice -- It would appear that you found
> > no flaws in my Italian, nor with my German (which is not really
> > great in writing, but better in speaking). So counting up -- which
> > seems to be 'your plan' -- Presuming you are 'better' (sic) than
> > me in English and French.
>
> This is where you fall down. This is why we only need to 'snap' our
> fingers, and you jump up. This is your biggest weakness.
>
> There is no 'winning', or 'losing', or even 'counting' here on the
> newsgroup. There is only serious discussion (in Richard and Jürgen's
> case), and piss-taking (in dirt and my case). When you finally realise
> that, then dirt and I shall possibly have lost our hold over you. For
> the moment, it's certainly, 'How high, Master ??!!'
>
Hello... what the fuck are you on about, FDP? You're the most
obnoxious 'counter' in this entire group. Nor did I use the
words 'winning,' or 'losing' in my entire post. Thus, you have
invented my meaning for me. We may certainly 'count'
certain perceptions, without claiming 'winning' or 'losing.'
And the FACT that you have little ability in 'logic,' 'common
sense,' 'ethics,' or 'arithmetic' leaves a certain impression that
one MUST 'count' those as defects which should be examined
in ALL your 'serious discussions' (sic). Certainly your irrational
claim that 'NONE of the hijackers knew that they were on a
suicide mission,' must be looked at within the context of your
entire body of 'serious discussions' (sic). And isn't it 'funny'
how you feel you can 'count' those 'things American' about
my posts, while still demonstrating a lack of concern for
your own flaws in English English. Now stop banging your
head against the desk, and screaming 'PV did it to me
again.'
PV
NOTE : I use single-quotation-marks to emphasize words, phrases,
paraphrases, or the sense I find in someone words independent
from a DIRECT word-for-word quotation. I use double-quotation
marks to indicate DIRECT word-for-word quotations.
> { snip }
>
> --
> Des On The Road |EVEN SATAN KNOWS
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:mqm9lucempda8q8uj...@4ax.com...
rage -- That ruddy face, those bulging eyes, the throbbing vein
in his temple, the trembling chin on the verge of tears of
frustration, the spittle now dripping down his monitor, the fist
beating futilely on the desk, as he screams in rage -- 'That
fuckin' PV... he got me again.'
PV
There goes the stick. Fetch boy... fetch..
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:23:46 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
> > joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
>
>
> LDB, exactly _what_ do you hope to achieve, by posting and reposting this
> in almost every one of your articles ? If it's somehow an 'insult' (oblique
> or otherwise) aimed at dirt, then it fails in everything other than making
> you look like a pedantic and unoriginal little moron.
>
<belly laugh on>
I hoped to prove that the 'classical education' (sic), that is so 'idolized'
by the both of you, can be obtained by a little twit who did not
have the mental competence to handle a young baby, FDP. And let
me observe that it seems to have worked, since I find an overwhelming
sense of frustration and anger from the both of you, in my providing
the FACT of Louise Woodward achieving the same level of 'classical
education' that dirt so often preens himself with. It's now shown to be
a huge joke. That's what I hoped to achieve... and what I most obviously
DID achieve. Now if I could only find another one like Louise who
gained a degree in 'French Feminist Literature,' from a French
'educational' (sic) Institution, my work here would be done. I hear
that Louise graduated 3rd out of 50 in her class, whereas dirtbag
graduated 8th out of 10 in his.
<belly laugh off>
PV
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:39:11 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:22:21 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>>> > it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
>>> > joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
>
>>> LDB, exactly _what_ do you hope to achieve, by posting and reposting this
>>> in almost every one of your articles ? If it's somehow an 'insult'
>(oblique
>>> or otherwise) aimed at dirt, then it fails in everything other than making
>>> you look like a pedantic and unoriginal little moron.
>
>> me observe that it seems to have worked, since I find an overwhelming
>> sense of frustration and anger from the both of you,
>
>Please remind me of where I have even _commented_ on her law degree,
>since you mentioned it.
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:07:38 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:23:46 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
>> joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
>
>{ snip }
>
>LDB, exactly _what_ do you hope to achieve, by posting and reposting this
>in almost every one of your articles ? If it's somehow an 'insult' (oblique
>or otherwise) aimed at dirt, then it fails in everything other than making
>you look like a pedantic and unoriginal little moron.
>
>Oh ... as you were.
>
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:05:58 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:02:36 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> For info, and without any malice, a few pointers ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>> For info, and without any malice -- It would appear that you found
>> no flaws in my Italian, nor with my German (which is not really
>> great in writing, but better in speaking). So counting up -- which
>> seems to be 'your plan' -- Presuming you are 'better' (sic) than
>> me in English and French.
>
>This is where you fall down. This is why we only need to 'snap' our
>fingers, and you jump up. This is your biggest weakness.
>
>There is no 'winning', or 'losing', or even 'counting' here on the
>newsgroup. There is only serious discussion (in Richard and Jürgen's
>case), and piss-taking (in dirt and my case). When you finally realise
>that, then dirt and I shall possibly have lost our hold over you. For
>the moment, it's certainly, 'How high, Master ??!!'
>
>{ snip }
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:22:21 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> > it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
> >> > joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
>
> >> in almost every one of your articles ? If it's somehow an 'insult' (oblique
> >> or otherwise) aimed at dirt, then it fails in everything other than making
> >> you look like a pedantic and unoriginal little moron.
>
> > sense of frustration and anger from the both of you,
>
> since you mentioned it.
>
Accept it. You only posted because your 'clone' was being
whipped into a frenzy, and you thought he needed some assistance.
PV
> { snip }
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:11:45 +0000
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>Le Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:25:54 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> > me observe that it seems to have worked, since I find an overwhelming
>>> > sense of frustration and anger from the both of you,
>
>>> Please remind me of where I have even _commented_ on her law degree,
>>> since you mentioned it.
>
>> The overwhelming sense of frustration and anger is still there, FDP.
>> Accept it. You only posted because your 'clone' was being
>> whipped into a frenzy, and you thought he needed some assistance.
>
>Translation : you lied.
>
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:25:54 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> > me observe that it seems to have worked, since I find an overwhelming
> >> > sense of frustration and anger from the both of you,
>
> >> Please remind me of where I have even _commented_ on her law degree,
> >> since you mentioned it.
>
> > The overwhelming sense of frustration and anger is still there, FDP.
> > Accept it. You only posted because your 'clone' was being
> > whipped into a frenzy, and you thought he needed some assistance.
>
>
desi (AKA FDP - Flopping drunken puppet) again scratches his ass,
clears his throat, takes a swill, belches loudly and says something
that can only be described as resembling cat shit, because it
translates into --- 'I admit that you have wounded me deeply, and I will
now extract myself by stating that what you claim is an 'observation'
must be a lie.' ***
Clearly then, using FDP's 'logic' (sic), I can claim all of his 'observations'
regarding anything about the DP are just as much a 'lie.' And we are
no longer able to express an 'opinion' here. Of course, in France,
one never IS permitted such a vice.
PV
***I use single-quotation-marks to emphasize words, phrases, paraphrases,
or the sense I find in someone words independent from a DIRECT
word-for-word quotation. I use double-quotation marks to indicate
DIRECT word-for-word quotations.
> --
St.George
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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<snip>
. My German comes from over six years spent in Germany.
> My English, of course, comes from my birth in, Adi Ali Bakit, Eritrea,
Are you an African-American, then PV?
St.George
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> > On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:02:36 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> > <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> >
> >
> > <uninteresting banality snipped>
> >
> Interesting banality inserted --
>
> it is my pleasure to announce that dirtbag is now
> joined in his profession by a convicted manslaughterer.
> the U.K. (of course, we already suspected that, if dirt
> is 'actually' a lawyer). It seems that Louise Woodward,
> a convicted murderer (okay.. 'only' manslaughterer),
> of a little baby, has now received her Law degree from
> Southbank University in London. Wasn't that where
> YOU received your 'classical education' (sic), dirt?
> Good old Louise, now 24, attended the graduation with
> her controversial parents Gary and Sue, who split up
> after their daughter returned to England. Both were
> accused of bilking thousands from Louise's appeal
> fund, but were cleared by a judge. Louise smiled for
> photographers after being awarded her degree. When
> she first returned to England she went to work for
> the legal department of a collection agency in Edinburgh
> (your firm, perhaps?), before starting her three-year law
> degree course (a 'classical education' only takes three
> years, compared to the usual four). This is NO JOKE.
> Of course, Louise, dirt, and the entire United Kingdom
> legal profession IS A JOKE.
Oh silence, PV.
Let's discuss the REAL reason why the judge reduced her conviction and
sentenced her to nothing. He thought - nay, he was quite sure - that she
was innocent! He had the same views as the reserve juror who smashed a
wooden chair, such was his frustration with the inanity of the
deliberations, as well as a substantial proportion, likely a majority, of
observers on both sides of the Atlantic.
This girl, at absolute worst, committed an act under such duress that it is
understandable to most of us. Furthermore, she may not have committed any
such deliberate act at all. Whatever the truth, however, no-one seriously
claims that her intention was ever to kill, or even to do serious harm, so
she should not have her life effectively ended as a result.
After nine months in real prison, as well as the stress associated with the
worldwide publicity that has torn her family apart, I would say she has
suffered quite enough given the low level (at worst) of her criminal
intention. It would be ludicrous to view her as a serious re-offending
risk, and thus she should be left alone to get on with her life.
incubus
"St.George" <ama.99@bt＃internet.00com> wrote in message
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first you slag off our sports now you slag off our legal profession. What is
it with you PV? do you really hate us brits that much? Besides from what I
have seen, the American justice system is nothing to right home about
A Planet Visitor
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote in message news:25N79.837$h4.7...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
will find that it is the British who are slagging off the U.S. 'legal
profession' (sic). Since the 'Great White Whale' was convicted
in that legal system, and an awful and smelly hue and cry now
comes from the British about the U.S. 'legal profession' (sic),
for having convicted someone from Britain who was most certainly
guilty. The only arguments offered against that guilt come from
crazed, and irrational supporters of that 'Great White Whale.'
I am not attacking the 'British Justice System' (sic), although the
fact that dirtbag appears to be part of it certainly places it in
the 'suspect' category. I really could not care LESS about
a justice system that I am not responsible to. But the British
seem very 'thin-skinned' in this false perception. My only comment
is that Louise Woodward, a convicted manslaughterer in the
U.S. Justice System has been able to achieve the same
'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has been so proud of.
My point is in respect to the relative 'natural intellectual
properties' of dirtbag and Louise, who now appear to be
one and the same intellectually. It has nothing to do with
the British legal system, and more to do with a comparison
of dirtbag and Louise. And it is certainly not the British
legal system that is under attack by an American, but a
great number of British who are attacking the American
legal system in this particular argument. Nor does it even
have anything to do with guilt/innocence of Louise, but
relates to her certainly demonstrated inability to function
at a reasonable level of intelligence. Of course, the
moment Louise was named, the irrational 'search engine'
of 'just passing by' went into high gear. And all sorts of
garbage erupted from him yet again, in his hysterical
claims that the 'Great While Whale' was a victim of U.S.
Justice persecution.
I will repeat -- Want to see how many groups that 'just
passing by' has posted to ONLY about Louise, providing
his hysterical claims that she was 'railroaded' by a corrupt
Justice System, a corrupt media, a corrupt jury, and corrupt
doctors? Here you go --
alt.activism.death-penalty
alt.true-crime
alt.suicide.holiday
ott.singles
ott.personals
alt.feminism
england.politics.europe
uk.politics.misc
alt.politics.british
soc.culture.indian
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
alt.politics.usa.republican
alt.politics.media
alt.politics.usa.congress
alt.politics.democrats.d
alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
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talk.atheism
rec.games.go
soc.men
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alt.tv.dark_shadows
rec.sport.cricket
alt.tv.cell-block-h
alt.gathering.rainbow
alt.politics.bush
alt.conspiracy.jfk
This is a guy with a serious mental problem. And it is HIS attack
on the U.S. Justice System that is the ONLY attack now in
evidence, in respect to any attack on comparative justice
systems. Since I only attack the intellectual capacity of Louise
Woodward, in a comparison to dirtbag having achieved the
same 'classical education,' while Louise undoubtedly 'graduated'
(sic), with a higher grade-point average than he did.
PV
BTW -- My references to sports, are always in respect to the
obscene practices apparent in 'PROFESSIONAL' sports. I
am a strong believer in TRUE amateur sports, which no longer
even seems to exist at even the 'children's league' level. It
is obscene how greedy everyone involved in 'professional'
sports has become. And in the end, even 'I' must pay for
it, regardless of how unwilling I am to do so, if I purchase
even ONE box of ANYTHING that has been 'endorsed' by
some nitwit unable to sign his name, except on a multi-million
dollar check. From the players, to the owners, to the sponsors,
all COSTS simply get passed on to those who watch ANY
TV, even non-sports related, or buy ANY product, including
a razor blade. This is money that could serve a much more
beneficial purpose then lining the pockets of players, owners,
managers, agents and sponsors of 'professional' (sic) sports.
If anything, I am FORCED to be an unwilling participant in
a practice I abhor, simply to function as a consumer. IMHO.
A Planet Visitor
"St.George" <ama.99@bt££internet.00com> wrote in message news:ajo23m$4qq$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
>
> Let's discuss the REAL reason why the judge reduced her conviction and
> sentenced her to nothing. He thought - nay, he was quite sure - that she
> was innocent! He had the same views as the reserve juror who smashed a
> wooden chair, such was his frustration with the inanity of the
> deliberations, as well as a substantial proportion, likely a majority, of
> observers on both sides of the Atlantic.
>
ROTFLMAO. If he 'thought' she was 'innocent' (sic), he could simply
have overturned the verdict. There is no appeal for such an overturn,
although the judge would have been open to censure. IMHO, there
was some behind the scenes mechanizations between the British
government and the State department to put pressure on the judge
to reduce the degree of the crime. Because of the feverish cries
coming from British constituents. Clearly ALL of the philippic in
respect to this case is coming TOTALLY from those in the U.K.,
which should give you a clue that such is not an 'unbiased' views.
And clearly, the appeals process almost overturned that pressure
and reinstated her original sentence. Which I also personally feel
would have been inappropriate, since I do not believe her 'innocent,'
but I do not believe there WAS malice -- simply stupidity - which in
this case unfortunately, constitutes a crime. Thus I believe (IMHO)
the verdict of the judge was sound. Although his original instructions
to the jury were suspect, and he realized they were after the verdict.
And I could not care less about the sentence to time served.
Good riddance to bad rubbish, as far as I'm concerned.
But it's simply laughable to observe how the 'British' bleat that they
have been so abused by the U.S. having sentenced Louise to
manslaughter. One need only look at the 'other' case of a
similar 'nanny rage killing,' that of Manjit Basuta, to see that
the British become hysterical when it is 'one of their own' charged
in a U.S. court. Truth be told... I just don't give a fuck how hysterical
some irrational, and obsessively nationalistic British become when
'one of their own,' is prosecuted for a crime in the U.S. And,
although I believe that clearly she was guilty of the crime for
which she was convicted, my comment turns on her 'classical
education' rather than any 'guilt/innocence' argument. There is
no question that she is mentally deficient in respect to
'mothering' aspects, and could not even function effectively as a
'nanny.' Certainly, no one would compare her with Mary Poppins, or
'Maria.' She is aptly referred to by me, as the 'Great White Whale,'
of ignorance. And there is no doubt in my mind that you are
looking at this from a very unbalanced perspective. As are FDP,
JPB, and a rather large gathering of those who believe all the
British are 'above' such behavior, while they have women who
apparently help their men murder children.
> This girl, at absolute worst, committed an act under such duress that it is
> understandable to most of us. Furthermore, she may not have committed any
> such deliberate act at all. Whatever the truth, however, no-one seriously
> claims that her intention was ever to kill, or even to do serious harm, so
> she should not have her life effectively ended as a result.
>
Whoa... 'under such duress'???? a crying baby??? Personally,
I feel the sentence was quite proper, and do not believe that 'malice'
entered into it. But she is a twit, nevertheless, and a mindless twit
who became hysterically angry about the wails of a child she had
been entrusted with. Just as a drunk behind the wheel of a car, does
not INTEND to kill anyone. And I was certainly glad to see that she
again became 'Britain's problem,' and will never return to the U.S.
> After nine months in real prison, as well as the stress associated with the
> worldwide publicity that has torn her family apart, I would say she has
> suffered quite enough given the low level (at worst) of her criminal
> intention. It would be ludicrous to view her as a serious re-offending
> risk, and thus she should be left alone to get on with her life.
>
I don't see her 'family' as that good an influence as well. But that's
simply my opinion. You may see both them and her as 'saints.'
As far as I'm concerned she may do whatever she wishes. Except
return to the U.S. where a civil judgment would probably await her,
as she defaulted in the wrongful death civil suit brought against
her by the Eappens. She is a nonentity to me, except for the fact
that she is a convicted manslaughterer, and has achieved the
same level of a 'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has crowed
about over and over. I simply wished to put that 'education' (sic)
in its proper perspective. Even if she were 'innocent,' the fact remains
she is a mental midget in respect to functioning under even the
smallest crisis. And probably achieved a higher grade-point average
than dirtbag, in the same 'classical education' (sic). That's what
makes it so funny. And which is my point in relating to dirtbag's
constant gloating of his own 'classical education.' The 'reason' I
mentioned her, was NOT in respect to ACTUAL 'guilt/innocence,'
because that is imponderable as are all events which occur outside
of our vision. We don't ACTUALLY 'know' what happened. Only
Louise KNOWS, and she will have to live with what she KNOWS.
But there is no doubt she was found 'factually' and 'legally' guilty.
Factually, in respect to the jury and all due process having agreed
to the 'facts' placed in evidence. Legally, because a judgment
confirmed that guilt. One might hope to argue 'actually' forever,
but that's simply related to a subjective view. Objectively, she
is LEGALLY guilty.
PV
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
> My only comment
>is that Louise Woodward, a convicted manslaughterer in the
>U.S. Justice System has been able to achieve the same
>'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has been so proud of.
Louise Woodward has obtained an LLB Law degree.
Any person is permitted to sit a degree should they be accepted by the
relevant institution.
A law degree does not make one a member of the Legal profession.
Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
bodies.
To my knowledge, she has not joined any of these professional
regulatory bodies.
You _really_ are very ignorant indeed, PV.
<somewhat illogical hatred of Louise Woodward snipped>
w00f
incubus
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote in message
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> >
I am British and i haven't slagged off anything. I have foound that this
thread had been disjointed for some bizarre reason. Anyway from my point of
view the first attack i saw was from you
>Since the 'Great White Whale' was convicted
> in that legal system, and an awful and smelly hue and cry now
> comes from the British about the U.S. 'legal profession' (sic),
> for having convicted someone from Britain who was most certainly
> guilty.
Whoever they are do not speak for all of us. If someone from one country
goes to another country for whatever reason then they should obey they laws.
If not, then they should suffer the consequenses as the natives do
>The only arguments offered against that guilt come from
> crazed, and irrational supporters of that 'Great White Whale.'
> I am not attacking the 'British Justice System' (sic), although the
> fact that dirtbag appears to be part of it certainly places it in
> the 'suspect' category. I really could not care LESS about
> a justice system that I am not responsible to. But the British
> seem very 'thin-skinned' in this false perception.
I have noticed the same about you americans. You are all too quick to take
offense even when none was meant. I am thinking the us and us brits are as
bad as each other
>My only comment
> is that Louise Woodward, a convicted manslaughterer in the
> U.S. Justice System has been able to achieve the same
> 'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has been so proud of.
> My point is in respect to the relative 'natural intellectual
> properties' of dirtbag and Louise, who now appear to be
> one and the same intellectually.
I vaguley remember the case of louise woodward. I remember the parents of
the dead child milked it for all they could. I heard that louise got a
decent education when she was inside. Good. If we throw all criminals on the
scrapheap then they will stay criminals. With the exception of capital
criminals i do beleive that criminals should be reformed and given the
oppotunity to live a crime free life. Sadly this is very often not the case.
>It has nothing to do with
> the British legal system, and more to do with a comparison
> of dirtbag and Louise. And it is certainly not the British
> legal system that is under attack by an American, but a
> great number of British who are attacking the American
> legal system in this particular argument.
Like i said, all i saw was you slag off the british legal system. I am
british and patriotic so naturally i took offence. If as you say you were
retaliating to a bombardment from some brits and you have to retaliate then
do it on a personal basis and don't attack us all. I do not assosiate myself
with the opinions of anti-american twats who like nothing better than to
start flame wars with the US
If you attack individuals who attack your country then thats understandable
but to attack an entire country can only cause eruptions of epic
proportions. Also i hate to say this but you are beginning to sound like
someone both we know. You are beginning to judge people by how intellegent
and clever they are.
If a person is blind or death then they must be treated as equals. Fair
enough
If a person is "officially retarded" then we must respect them, again fair
enough, my brother-in-law is "officially retarded" but i respect his
opinions because he looks at life with a child like enthuisiam and yet for a
so called "retard" he has got the way of things well sussed.. anyway i
digress.
If a person is dyslexic (like me) then we are entitled to respect
but if a "normal" person doesn't show the intellectual prowess of an
academic swat then they are lower than pond scum.
Intelligence and knowledge are multi dimensional so nobody is truly "thick"
>
> PV
>
> BTW -- My references to sports, are always in respect to the
> obscene practices apparent in 'PROFESSIONAL' sports. I
> am a strong believer in TRUE amateur sports, which no longer
> even seems to exist at even the 'children's league' level. It
> is obscene how greedy everyone involved in 'professional'
> sports has become. And in the end, even 'I' must pay for
> it, regardless of how unwilling I am to do so, if I purchase
> even ONE box of ANYTHING that has been 'endorsed' by
> some nitwit unable to sign his name, except on a multi-million
> dollar check. From the players, to the owners, to the sponsors,
> all COSTS simply get passed on to those who watch ANY
> TV, even non-sports related, or buy ANY product, including
> a razor blade. This is money that could serve a much more
> beneficial purpose then lining the pockets of players, owners,
> managers, agents and sponsors of 'professional' (sic) sports.
> If anything, I am FORCED to be an unwilling participant in
> a practice I abhor, simply to function as a consumer. IMHO.
I hear that american sports make it to tv even if they are college matches.
In england we have no such luxury. Here not even pro games make it to tv
unless you are willing to pay the extortionate amounts required here since
the introduction of sattelite tv. I think we have the chicken egg syndrome
here. The players get paid huge amounts because of the sattelite tv
kickbacks (among other things) and as a result you have to pay horrid
amounts to watch these play. You try watching a boxing match on uk TV. It
can cost you around Ł20 to watch a singl match.
Its sick. the british love their sports and they are forced to pay through
the nose for them
>
>
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:22:01 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:29:50 +0100, dirtdog <dir...@fruffrant.com> a écrit
>:
>
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A Planet Visitor
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Yeah, sure. That from the moron who claimed a mother who
had just had her son murdered was perverse. Let me tell you
who needs a mirror. Those who find a person convicted
of manslaughter in respect to the death of an infant to be someone
they are proud of, are those desperately in need of that mirror.
It would seem that the abolitionist movement is in desperate need
of a 'morals' transplant.
What has been misinterpreted here is the belief that I 'hate'
Louise Woodward. There is no love lost there, while presumably
some do hold 'love' for her. My entire posting was in reference
to the fact that she is obviously not a very 'clever girl.' There
is not much question about that, guilty or innocent. Given that
fact, I found it hilarious that she achieved the same 'classical
education' (sic) that dirtbag crows about so frequently. I mean.
if SHE can do it... it doesn't take much more than a mental
midget to do it. And this was my point, which was taken totally
out of control by some idiot who has a 'search engine' looking
for the word 'Louise' in a thousand different newsgroups, and
responds hysterically in every one of them, obviously obsessively
in 'love' with the 'Great White Whale.'
PV
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"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:sv30mug2uggaueocq...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:29:39 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > My only comment
> >is that Louise Woodward, a convicted manslaughterer in the
> >U.S. Justice System has been able to achieve the same
> >'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has been so proud of.
>
> Louise Woodward has obtained an LLB Law degree.
>
'education' (sic).
> Any person is permitted to sit a degree should they be accepted by the
> relevant institution.
>
phrases that are almost axioms by example?
> A law degree does not make one a member of the Legal profession.
>
> Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
> Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
> Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
> requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
> bodies.
>
Nothing to do with my observation. I wish her well.
> To my knowledge, she has not joined any of these professional
> regulatory bodies.
>
> You _really_ are very ignorant indeed, PV.
>
Actually, it appears you are the ignorant one here, dirtbag. Since
Louise now is your 'classical education' superior.
> <somewhat illogical hatred of Louise Woodward snipped>
>
Hardly... the 'Great White Whale' offers no interest to me whatsoever,
as long as she stays in England. My interest is solely in her
educational achievments which have now surpassed you. So I'm
sure you'd find her interesting if your 'Michelin Girl' ever had a leak.
PV
> w00f
>
A Planet Visitor
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if you find me being American and you being British causes you to
believe we have differences. I hope to treat everyone they way I
am treated. Unfortunately, to the shame of a few of your countrymen,
that does not happen. The typical British abolitionist is a very
unhappy person with his life. And being that way, he hopes to
impress others that he is not unhappy and portray his existence
in a paradise of abolition. I have a deep affection for the British, if
you were to read the entire body of my posting here (you'd
need some time). Nonetheless, the 'typical' British person
does not post here. You are perhaps the most 'typical' since
you hold not only a retentionist view, but also some aspects
of abolition, which is good, and right to do so. But almost to
a man, the British here are,.dare I say, obsessive about
abolition. Of course, that's the reason this group exists.
But insults often pass the pale, especially when they encounter
an argument which seems to be based on a principle other
than 'retribution.' They can handle that, because they can
then presume the reason is 'immoral' itself. But be sure
of this... there is an inflexibility so deep it is palpable in
those abolitionists I speak of. Because they recognize that
accepting the execution of even ONE murderer, no matter
how vicious or how deserving of execution that murderer is,
makes them no longer abolitionists. Even ONE is too many.
And necessarily, because the U.K. is a servant to the E.U.,
the concept of keeping all murderers alive forever is burnt into
their brain. And like the evangelist preacher who will accept
no other religion, they become evangelist abolitionists, who
will preach and foist THEIR religion on another sovereign nation.
And call themselves 'moral' and having 'respect for human
rights' and 'respect for life,' in doing so, regardless of how
hypocritical their stance is, and even if literally hundreds of
innocent human lives would hang on their decision.
Now I have no problem with people speaking their mind,
but it bothers me when it sinks to the level that there is a
presumption that retentionists are 'evil' and 'immoral,'
and the 'DP is murder.' And that some would even use
immoral tactics to demonstrate their own 'morality.' This is
not argument... this is hysteria. And of course we have
dirtbag... who is in a world of his own, and should cause
reasonable British, such as you, to hang you head in shame,
as I do over some American abolitionists. But NO American
abolitionist is as disgusting as dirtbag (or Desmond Coughlan),
of that you can be sure. One is scum, and the other is a
consummate liar. And they both lap up each others shit,
as if it were ice cream.
Now to what you say, was the 'first attack from me.' In
truth, I was not attacking the British Legal System. As many
from Britain attack the American Legal System. In point
of fact, dirtbag claims to be a lawyer, and has often attacked
irrationally the American Legal System, presuming it 'must'
function from the same view as the British Legal System.
While I certainly do not believe the British Legal System
must function from the same view of the American Legal
System. So who is not taking a balanced view? In so
many past posts, dirtbag has obsessively embarrassed
himself by preening about his 'classical education.' This
is not an isolated claim on his part, but simply one of
hundreds of posts he has provided in such self-adoration.
Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
as possessing limited intelligence, passed the SAME
'classical education' that dirtbag has cloaked himself
in, the opportunity was too delicious to pass up. I
really am not interested in the slightest about the ACTUAL
guilt or innocence of Louise. The ACTUAL guilt of
anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
are individually of such guilt. Nor can Louise achieving
a degree of Law mean anything in respect to the British
Legal System, since she is not a functioning lawyer.
My entire thrust was in respect to her EDUCATION,
and the fact that she probably held a higher grade-point
average than dirtbag. Which causes me hilarious
waves of joy, in the realization that dirtbag is the
SAME 'intellectual level' as Louise.
>
> >Since the 'Great White Whale' was convicted
> > in that legal system, and an awful and smelly hue and cry now
> > comes from the British about the U.S. 'legal profession' (sic),
> > for having convicted someone from Britain who was most certainly
> > guilty.
>
> Whoever they are do not speak for all of us. If someone from one country
> goes to another country for whatever reason then they should obey they laws.
> If not, then they should suffer the consequenses as the natives do
>
Of course they don't speak for all of you. Nor was my remark
DIRECTED to 'all of you.' There is the certainty in your remarks
that we are subject to the laws of the sovereign nations we visit.
I could not agree more.
>
> >The only arguments offered against that guilt come from
> > crazed, and irrational supporters of that 'Great White Whale.'
> > I am not attacking the 'British Justice System' (sic), although the
> > fact that dirtbag appears to be part of it certainly places it in
> > the 'suspect' category. I really could not care LESS about
> > a justice system that I am not responsible to. But the British
> > seem very 'thin-skinned' in this false perception.
>
> I have noticed the same about you americans. You are all too quick to take
> offense even when none was meant. I am thinking the us and us brits are as
> bad as each other
>
Well... I can tell you that I am not one who will accept the
abuse, which is the reason I am the focus of an exceptional
amount of abuse, myself. I have been called a pedophile by desi.
dirtbag has claimed that he received oral copulation from my
mother. My handle has been forged to make it appear that I
am a racist. Should those go unanswered? I can certainly
provide evidence of my claims. desi is evil. dirtbag is stupid,
and I find it impossible to believe he could be a lawyer. In
the whole, I may be speaking from a biased POV, but I
see much more abuse heaped on Americans by the British
then the other way around. desi, for example, has posted
to jigsaw that he'd wish to have oral copulation from jigsaw's
16-year-old niece.
>
> >My only comment
> > is that Louise Woodward, a convicted manslaughterer in the
> > U.S. Justice System has been able to achieve the same
> > 'classical education' (sic) that dirtbag has been so proud of.
> > My point is in respect to the relative 'natural intellectual
> > properties' of dirtbag and Louise, who now appear to be
> > one and the same intellectually.
>
> I vaguley remember the case of louise woodward. I remember the parents of
> the dead child milked it for all they could. I heard that louise got a
> decent education when she was inside. Good. If we throw all criminals on the
> scrapheap then they will stay criminals. With the exception of capital
> criminals i do beleive that criminals should be reformed and given the
> oppotunity to live a crime free life. Sadly this is very often not the case.
>
Let's hope that you don't simply look at the BBC view of this.
Or the typical British media reporting. Nor would I expect you
to rely on American news media as well. It is best to look at
ALL positions, and from that form a balanced view of YOUR OWN.
Louise, for example spent a total of 279 days in incarceration.
I doubt whether she spent much time gaining an education then,
and I believe all of it was obtained after she returned to the U.K.
I also believe as you do, that L wop serves no purpose whatsoever,
and is actually less 'moral' than the DP (IMHO). I believe if a
murderer is not executed, they should be provided the opportunity
to EARN release, at some distant date in the future. Maybe never
GAINING it, but always having the possibility of EARNING it.
>
> >It has nothing to do with
> > the British legal system, and more to do with a comparison
> > of dirtbag and Louise. And it is certainly not the British
> > legal system that is under attack by an American, but a
> > great number of British who are attacking the American
> > legal system in this particular argument.
>
> Like i said, all i saw was you slag off the british legal system. I am
> british and patriotic so naturally i took offence. If as you say you were
> retaliating to a bombardment from some brits and you have to retaliate then
> do it on a personal basis and don't attack us all. I do not assosiate myself
> with the opinions of anti-american twats who like nothing better than to
> start flame wars with the US
>
I thought that was what I was doing. My 'attack' was related
DIRECTLY to dirtbag. None other. Nor was it toward the
British Legal System, in which I have not the slightest interest.
Unfortunately dirtbag believe the U.S. Legal System should
be a slave to the British Legal System, while I believe they must
function independently. I support the argument that the U.K.
does not need the DP, and should not use it. Simply because
it makes no difference to me.
I will not get into 'personal stories' here.
> If a person is dyslexic (like me) then we are entitled to respect
>
Of course you are. But this is a rather rough-and-tumble arena
here. And if someone points out something that you do, or I do,
I believe we have every right to retaliate in kind. I think you've
been rather beat upon to often by desi and dirtbag about your
dyslexia. In fact, some of their comments I've clearly recognized
went beyond simply being rude, to the point of you being
heckled by them. But, I've never had occasion to mention any dyslexia
in respect to YOUR posts (if I am wrong here, I'd appreciate it if
you'd let me know where I have done so). But you have probably
translated my arguing with them onto you. I've never had a problem
understanding your posts, and agreeing with a great majority of them.
But I would certainly call THEM dyslexic when they have remarked
on certain postings of mine, if they demonstrate such dyslexia,
even though they don't have it.
> but if a "normal" person doesn't show the intellectual prowess of an
> academic swat then they are lower than pond scum.
>
Ah... you're speaking of dirtbag again. :-) Or is it desi.???
> Intelligence and knowledge are multi dimensional so nobody is truly "thick"
Quite true. There are in fact, nine different levels of 'intelligence,'
ranging from musical, dexterity, logical analysis, communication, etc. etc.
according to a study a few years back.
PV
> can cost you around £20 to watch a singl match.
incubus
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> > > >
you never finished that sentence :-) no PV i don't think we have any
differences. I though you did.
I hope to treat everyone they way I
> am treated. Unfortunately, to the shame of a few of your countrymen,
> that does not happen. The typical British abolitionist is a very
> unhappy person with his life. And being that way, he hopes to
> impress others that he is not unhappy and portray his existence
> in a paradise of abolition. I have a deep affection for the British, if
> you were to read the entire body of my posting here (you'd
> need some time). Nonetheless, the 'typical' British person
> does not post here. You are perhaps the most 'typical' since
> you hold not only a retentionist view, but also some aspects
> of abolition, which is good, and right to do so.
creep <slurp slurp> ;-)
But almost to
> a man, the British here are,.dare I say, obsessive about
> abolition. Of course, that's the reason this group exists.
> But insults often pass the pale, especially when they encounter
> an argument which seems to be based on a principle other
> than 'retribution.' They can handle that, because they can
> then presume the reason is 'immoral' itself. But be sure
> of this... there is an inflexibility so deep it is palpable in
> those abolitionists I speak of. Because they recognize that
> accepting the execution of even ONE murderer, no matter
> how vicious or how deserving of execution that murderer is,
> makes them no longer abolitionists. Even ONE is too many.
> And necessarily, because the U.K. is a servant to the E.U.,
> the concept of keeping all murderers alive forever is burnt into
> their brain. And like the evangelist preacher who will accept
> no other religion, they become evangelist abolitionists, who
> will preach and foist THEIR religion on another sovereign nation.
> And call themselves 'moral' and having 'respect for human
> rights' and 'respect for life,' in doing so, regardless of how
> hypocritical their stance is, and even if literally hundreds of
> innocent human lives would hang on their decision.
I used to be an abolishonist myself so i do understand what they are trying
to say, i just don't agree with it anymore. personally i wish they would
re-establish capital punishment here but not the gallows, no i think we
should use the lethal injection
>
> Now I have no problem with people speaking their mind,
> but it bothers me when it sinks to the level that there is a
> presumption that retentionists are 'evil' and 'immoral,'
> and the 'DP is murder.' And that some would even use
> immoral tactics to demonstrate their own 'morality.' This is
> not argument... this is hysteria. And of course we have
> dirtbag... who is in a world of his own, and should cause
> reasonable British, such as you, to hang you head in shame,
> as I do over some American abolitionists. But NO American
> abolitionist is as disgusting as dirtbag (or Desmond Coughlan),
> of that you can be sure. One is scum, and the other is a
> consummate liar. And they both lap up each others shit,
> as if it were ice cream.
I have long since given up hanging my head in shame for the actions or words
of others. People are resposible for themselves unless they are retarded or
insane. On here i just killfile them these days if they piss me off too much
:-)
>
> Now to what you say, was the 'first attack from me.' In
> truth, I was not attacking the British Legal System. As many
> from Britain attack the American Legal System. In point
> of fact, dirtbag claims to be a lawyer, and has often attacked
> irrationally the American Legal System, presuming it 'must'
> function from the same view as the British Legal System.
> While I certainly do not believe the British Legal System
> must function from the same view of the American Legal
> System.
They can not possibly function the same, America and Britain are very
different.
So who is not taking a balanced view? In so
> many past posts, dirtbag has obsessively embarrassed
> himself by preening about his 'classical education.' This
> is not an isolated claim on his part, but simply one of
> hundreds of posts he has provided in such self-adoration.
> Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
> as possessing limited intelligence, passed the SAME
> 'classical education' that dirtbag has cloaked himself
> in, the opportunity was too delicious to pass up. I
> really am not interested in the slightest about the ACTUAL
> guilt or innocence of Louise. The ACTUAL guilt of
> anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
> are individually of such guilt. Nor can Louise achieving
> a degree of Law mean anything in respect to the British
> Legal System, since she is not a functioning lawyer.
> My entire thrust was in respect to her EDUCATION,
> and the fact that she probably held a higher grade-point
> average than dirtbag. Which causes me hilarious
> waves of joy, in the realization that dirtbag is the
> SAME 'intellectual level' as Louise.
Like i said, unlike many i have seen, i am not obsessed with how intellegent
a person is nor do i connect a person's intelligence with his/her academic
background. I just scraped through my degree but I am not stupid
> >
> > >Since the 'Great White Whale' was convicted
> > > in that legal system, and an awful and smelly hue and cry now
> > > comes from the British about the U.S. 'legal profession' (sic),
> > > for having convicted someone from Britain who was most certainly
> > > guilty.
> >
> > Whoever they are do not speak for all of us. If someone from one country
> > goes to another country for whatever reason then they should obey they
laws.
> > If not, then they should suffer the consequenses as the natives do
> >
>
> Of course they don't speak for all of you. Nor was my remark
> DIRECTED to 'all of you.' There is the certainty in your remarks
> that we are subject to the laws of the sovereign nations we visit.
> I could not agree more.
Ok I forgive you. We are friends again :-)
>
> >
> > >The only arguments offered against that guilt come from
> > > crazed, and irrational supporters of that 'Great White Whale.'
> > > I am not attacking the 'British Justice System' (sic), although the
> > > fact that dirtbag appears to be part of it certainly places it in
> > > the 'suspect' category. I really could not care LESS about
> > > a justice system that I am not responsible to. But the British
> > > seem very 'thin-skinned' in this false perception.
> >
> > I have noticed the same about you americans. You are all too quick to
take
> > offense even when none was meant. I am thinking the us and us brits are
as
> > bad as each other
> >
> Well... I can tell you that I am not one who will accept the
> abuse, which is the reason I am the focus of an exceptional
> amount of abuse, myself. I have been called a pedophile by desi.
> dirtbag has claimed that he received oral copulation from my
> mother. My handle has been forged to make it appear that I
> am a racist. Should those go unanswered?
now you are missing my point. I was not calling you sensative, i was
referring to Americans on usenet in general. I don't mean that offensively
at all but i have known a lot of thin skinned Americans on usenet. The ones
i have actually met are kind gentle decent people who are welcome to shag my
sister anyday :-) oops i don't have a sister ;-)
> I can certainly
> provide evidence of my claims.
you do not have to. You are entitled the hate Desi and dirtbag by all means
and i don't doubt you have your reasons but i think you may have guessed
that i like to make up my own mind
>desi is evil. dirtbag is stupid,
> and I find it impossible to believe he could be a lawyer.
did he actually state he was a "lawyer"?
I don't know much about the legal system except from my small experiences of
a couple of companies i have had served, on of which is still in progress...
anyway i digress, What's the difference between a lawyer and a solicitor?
>In
> the whole, I may be speaking from a biased POV, but I
> see much more abuse heaped on Americans by the British
> then the other way around. desi, for example, has posted
> to jigsaw that he'd wish to have oral copulation from jigsaw's
> 16-year-old niece.
again please do not judge a continent for the acts of two of its citizens. I
am sure you can see how irrational doing so sounds
absolutely. Not all murderers are the spawn of the devil. Some of them are
victims of situations and should be allowed the oppotunity of a second
chance. A murderer who is normally a good person will no doubt earn his/her
freedom one day.
> >
> > >It has nothing to do with
> > > the British legal system, and more to do with a comparison
> > > of dirtbag and Louise. And it is certainly not the British
> > > legal system that is under attack by an American, but a
> > > great number of British who are attacking the American
> > > legal system in this particular argument.
> >
> > Like i said, all i saw was you slag off the british legal system. I am
> > british and patriotic so naturally i took offence. If as you say you
were
> > retaliating to a bombardment from some brits and you have to retaliate
then
> > do it on a personal basis and don't attack us all. I do not assosiate
myself
> > with the opinions of anti-american twats who like nothing better than to
> > start flame wars with the US
> >
> I thought that was what I was doing. My 'attack' was related
> DIRECTLY to dirtbag. None other.
It did not read that way PV
>Nor was it toward the
> British Legal System, in which I have not the slightest interest.
> Unfortunately dirtbag believe the U.S. Legal System should
> be a slave to the British Legal System, while I believe they must
> function independently. I support the argument that the U.K.
> does not need the DP, and should not use it. Simply because
> it makes no difference to me.
I don't. I think we need the DP back. There are an increasing number of
"evil killers" here and it needs to be snipped
They do not know i am dyslexic. If they had then they would probably have
gone easy on me. They or at least dirtbag thinks of me as illiterate and to
people like him, illiterate is stupid and stupid people have no rights
>In fact, some of their comments I've clearly recognized
> went beyond simply being rude, to the point of you being
> heckled by them. But, I've never had occasion to mention any dyslexia
> in respect to YOUR posts (if I am wrong here, I'd appreciate it if
> you'd let me know where I have done so).
I have not noticed any comments recently but then again i have killfiled
dirtbag so if he had slated me recently then i wouldn't know nor do i care
Desi seems to spend his time trying to bring me back to the side of the
aboloshonists
As for you, I do not recal you slating me about anything ever. You have
disagreed with me a few times but that is acceptable. I tend to avoid
informing people of my state as as soon as i do then i cease to be a normal
person. I become a disabled person who should be addressed with kid gloves.
contrary to popular beleive, dyslexia is not entirely negative. It has its
positive sides too
>But you have probably
> translated my arguing with them onto you.
No. I thought you were slating the British.
>I've never had a problem understanding your posts, and agreeing with a
>great majority of them.
> But I would certainly call THEM dyslexic when they have remarked
> on certain postings of mine, if they demonstrate such dyslexia,
> even though they don't have it.
I hate to say this but that doesn't make any sense. though i did get the bit
where you think my posts read that way. Damn i thought i was doing well :-)
>
> > but if a "normal" person doesn't show the intellectual prowess of an
> > academic swat then they are lower than pond scum.
> >
> Ah... you're speaking of dirtbag again. :-) Or is it desi.???
its a lot of people
>
> > Intelligence and knowledge are multi dimensional so nobody is truly
"thick"
>
> Quite true. There are in fact, nine different levels of 'intelligence,'
> ranging from musical, dexterity, logical analysis, communication, etc.
etc.
> according to a study a few years back.
yes probably but I didn't mean it like that. I was thinking in more subtle
levels
> > can cost you around Ł20 to watch a singl match.
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> My entire posting was in reference
>to the fact that she is obviously not a very 'clever girl.'
Hmmmm
Woodward has attained a degree in law.
I daresay that she would not have attained such qualification had she
been so brainless that she chose to ignore established theories and
doctrines in favour of meaningless rhetoric. I also daresay that she
would have flunked if she didn't have the foggiest what _evidence_ is.
You should therefore be most careful of whom you accuse of being 'not
very clever', lest you once more hoist yourself upon your own petard.
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:sv30mug2uggaueocq...@4ax.com...
<snipped>
>
>> Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
>> Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
>> Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
>> requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
>> bodies.
>>
>Nothing to do with my observation. I wish her well.
No you don't. Your entire posting on the subject has been but a simple
minded exercise in rote personal abuse towards her.
Of course, you have every right to dislike her should you so wish.
Just don't try to act the saint when you're really just a bitter old
man.
>
>> To my knowledge, she has not joined any of these professional
>> regulatory bodies.
>>
>> You _really_ are very ignorant indeed, PV.
>>
>Actually, it appears you are the ignorant one here, dirtbag. Since
>Louise now is your 'classical education' superior.
>
>> <somewhat illogical hatred of Louise Woodward snipped>
>>
>Hardly... the 'Great White Whale' offers no interest to me whatsoever,
>as long as she stays in England. My interest is solely in her
>educational achievments which have now surpassed you.
Eh?
Why's that?
<snip>
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
> I have a deep affection for the British, if
>you were to read the entire body of my posting here (you'd
>need some time).
LOL!
What a huge amount of fucking _complete_ bollocks!
> Nonetheless, the 'typical' British person
>does not post here. You are perhaps the most 'typical' since
>you hold not only a retentionist view, but also some aspects
>of abolition, which is good, and right to do so.
Cite please.
<big pile of self-justifcatory guff snipped>
w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
<'incubus' encouraging PV's self-indulgant armchair psychology
including one of the most hilarious inconsistencies seen from PV in
recent times snipped>
>contrary to popular beleive, dyslexia is not entirely negative. It has its
>positive sides too
Yeah. You get more time in exams and teachers don't roast you so much
for being thick.
<'incubus' attempting to gain sympathy by now trying to claim that he
is dyslexic>
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
> The ACTUAL guilt of
>anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
>are individually of such guilt.
ROTFLMAO!
You do get confused, don't you?
Guilt is a question of fact.
A person perpetrating the requisite actus reus will be guilty of an
offence if that act is combined with the appropriate mens rea.
'guilt is a subjective view'!
LMAO!
> Nor can Louise achieving
>a degree of Law mean anything in respect to the British
>Legal System, since she is not a functioning lawyer.
Oh, so you admit you were wrong, then. Tell me, PV, were you just
'trolling'?
You really do yourself _no_ favours whatsoever. Small wonder that not
a _single_ poster takes you seriously.
<hero worship of m and jealousy at my classical education snipped>
w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
> self-indulgant
Which is, of course, the best thing to do in a post taking the piss
out of people whio can't spell very well
w00f
Just passing by
>
> > >Nor does it even
> > > have anything to do with guilt/innocence of Louise, but
> > > relates to her certainly demonstrated inability to function
> > > at a reasonable level of intelligence.
> Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
> as possessing limited intelligence,
What is the basis for this claim? Well recognised by whom? Anyone but
you? And if only you, what examples can you offer to back it up?
On the strength of your contributions to this forum, which clearly
reveal an inability to comprehend very simple, unambiguous questions
however many times they are repeated, I would estimate Louise
Woodward's IQ to be very considerably higher than your own.
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02081...@posting.google.com...
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>
> >
> > > >Nor does it even
> > > > have anything to do with guilt/innocence of Louise, but
> > > > relates to her certainly demonstrated inability to function
> > > > at a reasonable level of intelligence.
>
>
> > Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
> > as possessing limited intelligence,
>
> What is the basis for this claim? Well recognised by whom? Anyone but
> you? And if only you, what examples can you offer to back it up?
>
> On the strength of your contributions to this forum, which clearly
> reveal an inability to comprehend very simple, unambiguous questions
> however many times they are repeated, I would estimate Louise
> Woodward's IQ to be very considerably higher than your own.
>
And clearly I've never been 'stupid' enough to be charged with the
crime of murder, regardless of guilt or innocence. It appears to
me that she is a genuine Mount Rushmore of incompetence,
which most certainly relates to intelligence.
PV
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:iei2mugkf4amel2tg...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:09:55 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:sv30mug2uggaueocq...@4ax.com...
>
>
> <snipped>
>
> >
> >> Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
> >> Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
> >> Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
> >> requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
> >> bodies.
> >>
> >Nothing to do with my observation. I wish her well.
>
> No you don't. Your entire posting on the subject has been but a simple
> minded exercise in rote personal abuse towards her.
>
I might add. By 'wishing her well,' I sincerely wish she
remains out of the U.S., thus causing no further damage
here, and making her existence totally immaterial to me.
I wish all those who cannot harm me or my family well.
And I hold a great 'well' of pity for you, as 'well.'
> Of course, you have every right to dislike her should you so wish.
> Just don't try to act the saint when you're really just a bitter old
> man.
>
But I do think showing that she functions at the same 'intellectual'
level that you do, has caused you some concern here.
> >
> >> To my knowledge, she has not joined any of these professional
> >> regulatory bodies.
> >>
> >> You _really_ are very ignorant indeed, PV.
> >>
> >Actually, it appears you are the ignorant one here, dirtbag. Since
> >Louise now is your 'classical education' superior.
> >
> >> <somewhat illogical hatred of Louise Woodward snipped>
> >>
> >Hardly... the 'Great White Whale' offers no interest to me whatsoever,
> >as long as she stays in England. My interest is solely in her
> >educational achievments which have now surpassed you.
>
> Eh?
>
> Why's that?
>
Louise. And i suspect with a higher grade-point average as well.
But we are sure to hear some squeals from you in that respect,
because you so 'love yourself.' While still holding an inner
self-loathing.
PV
> <snip>
>
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:1mi2muot2v2g91gbj...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:48 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > I have a deep affection for the British, if
> >you were to read the entire body of my posting here (you'd
> >need some time).
>
> LOL!
>
>
Certainly I have no affection for you, or FDP, or JPB, or
Peter, or Hugh. But you are hardly 'representative' of the
British. And we all know that. You're all hysterical brats.
And clearly your American G.I. Father deserted you at
an early age which has consumed you with irrational rage
against the U.S. How could ANYONE presume that you
five are TYPICAL British? It's too bad, that you are so
'hurt' by not having met my 'typical' British standards. But
it would be a disservice to the British, were I to accept
you met even the most minimum of those standards.
Hell, you don't even meet the 'standards' of Louise.
> > Nonetheless, the 'typical' British person
> >does not post here. You are perhaps the most 'typical' since
> >you hold not only a retentionist view, but also some aspects
> >of abolition, which is good, and right to do so.
>
> Cite please.
>
don't need to JUSTIFY to YOU what I see in his posts.
For certain, I see him as much more rational than you've
EVER been here. Good grief, do you have any idea how
often I've spanked your rosy butt?
>
> <big pile of self-justifcatory guff snipped>
>
It appears that YOU are doing exactly what you claim you have clipped.
PV
> w00f
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:tgh2mu4smhpns1jju...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:09:52 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> > My entire posting was in reference
> >to the fact that she is obviously not a very 'clever girl.'
>
> Hmmmm
>
> Woodward has attained a degree in law.
>
> I daresay that she would not have attained such qualification had she
> been so brainless that she chose to ignore established theories and
> doctrines in favour of meaningless rhetoric. I also daresay that she
> would have flunked if she didn't have the foggiest what _evidence_ is.
>
I am certain that even the education she achieved places her
far about you, since I am almost certain she knows what a
'mitigating circumstance' is. And I can bet she has learned
arithmetic as well. Two things you seem to be deficient in.
> You should therefore be most careful of whom you accuse of being 'not
> very clever', lest you once more hoist yourself upon your own petard.
>
ROTFLMAO. This from the guy who routinely preens about his
'classical education' (sic), and then demands that a (sic) be placed
when referring to it.
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:fej2muc61iaedh0vm...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:48 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
>
> > The ACTUAL guilt of
> >anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
> >are individually of such guilt.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> You do get confused, don't you?
>
> Guilt is a question of fact.
>
'beyond ANY doubt.' We cannot presume to KNOW the
ACTUAL guilt in any human act. It's ALL perception.
Individual perception. Legal guilt is a question of fact. However,
some here have argued otherwise, presuming that there is
such a thing as 'absolute guilt,' when everyone knows it is
based on beyond a reasonable doubt. Which is certainly
not ABSOLUTE, which is the meaning of ACTUAL.
One may be 'actually legally' guilty. But that says NOTHING
about their ACTUAL guilt in a natural sense. ACTUAL is
'as opposed to ideals,' which is the concept of BARD.
<crap clipped>
> > Nor can Louise achieving
> >a degree of Law mean anything in respect to the British
> >Legal System, since she is not a functioning lawyer.
>
> Oh, so you admit you were wrong, then. Tell me, PV, were you just
> 'trolling'?
>
The article I posted did not say anything about her 'becoming'
a lawyer, Louise. Simply that she had passed a 'classical
education' (sic), which you had previously stated was so
'difficult.' The rest was all simply gratuitous to firmly pull your
chain, which it obviously did. And couldn't have pleased me
more, Louise. Since now you're into desperate 'damage
control.'
> You really do yourself _no_ favours whatsoever. Small wonder that not
> a _single_ poster takes you seriously.
You mean you, desi, JPB, Peter and Hugh? ROTFLMAO. The five
of you each have the greatest inferiority-complex I've ever seen.
And you all try to hide that self-loathing by hoping to cover it
up. Using pedantry on desi's part, love for the 'Great White Whale,'
on JPB's part, false-morality on Peter's part, racism on Hugh's part,
and a 'classical education' (sic) on your part. Perhaps you might
name someone whose opinion I 'care about.' It's obvious that
the five of you are possessed of 'retracted penises,' and express
your 'tiny minds,' in all your arguments in respect to the DP,
where you actually HAVE no opinion, other than your hate for
the U.S.
>
> <hero worship of m and jealousy at my classical education snipped>
>
Ah, but you forgot the (sic) that you demanded be inserted when
speaking of your 'education' (sic). And who is 'm'?
PV
> w00f
>
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> > > > > > > > <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<clipped>
> >I've never had a problem understanding your posts, and agreeing with a
> >great majority of them.
> > But I would certainly call THEM dyslexic when they have remarked
> > on certain postings of mine, if they demonstrate such dyslexia,
> > even though they don't have it.
>
> I hate to say this but that doesn't make any sense. though i did get the bit
> where you think my posts read that way. Damn i thought i was doing well :-)
>
My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your 'posts.'
I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was rambling.
>
<rest clipped>
PV
incubus
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
I know the feeling
>
> >
> <rest clipped>
>
> PV
>
>
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:fej2muc61iaedh0vm...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:48 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
>> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>
>> > The ACTUAL guilt of
>> >anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
>> >are individually of such guilt.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>>
>> You do get confused, don't you?
>>
>> Guilt is a question of fact.
>>
>ROTFLMAO... TRUE guilt - ACTUAL guilty - is a question of
>'beyond ANY doubt.'
Ho di ho di ho
Like Des says, you are a _profoundly_ stupid man.
Your clumsy prose aside, you are clearly confused, and as usual, have
gone off on a tangent and attempted to describe what is essentially a
quite obvious state of affairs utilising (ho ho ho) your own
self-contrived rhetorical shite.
Why am I not surprised?
Guilt is guilt. A question of fact. A person who has committed a
relevant act (actus reus) when in the relevant state of mind (mens
rea) is guilty of the particular offence which proscribes such
behaviour.
The point which I believe you are evidently striving (unsuccessfully)
to make is that we are, of course, not telepathic beings. Thus a
prosecutor must prove only beyond all _reasonable_ doubt that the
relevant mens rea and actus reus coincided, otherwise, no conviction
would ever occur.
However, you will find that there is no such thing as 'legal guilt' or
'actual guilt' - which are, of course, your own silly concepts. A
person who commits a crime but is not punished by a court is no less
guilty of that offence than the man given life - the jury simply
failed in its job as arbiter of fact to discern that guilt.
>We cannot presume to KNOW the
>ACTUAL guilt in any human act. It's ALL perception.
>Individual perception.
You are getting confused, PV, possibly between concepts of guilt and
culpability. I am not sure, though, because your power to express
yourself is so very limited.
In short, your silly statement above is nonsensical. A person is
guilty of an act if he performs that act. Simple as that. Even one as
thick as pick [sic] shit can work it out.
I shall reiterate. In all but offences of strict liability:
mens rea + actus reus = offence
A person who commits an offence is guilty of that offence.
This is fucking _basics_, PV.
>Legal guilt is a question of fact.
Oh dear.
_guilt_, PV, is a question of fact.
There is no need to go further than that.
<more deeply confused rubbish and requisite irrelevant ad homina
snipped>
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<irrelevant attribution key cluelessly left in post snipped>
>
>My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your 'posts.'
>I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was rambling.
>
Of course it was...
Your insanity and irrational hatred is now _so_ well developed that
you see me and desi [sic] in almost everything that you come accross.
I can well imagine you when you and your wife are woken at 6.00am by
noisy dustmen,
"That'll be that pesky desi and dirtbag again, Chantalle-Jane. Git me
mah gun."
Or when the oranges, sorry, orange's you brought from the supermarket
turn out to be slightly 'off',
"Dang it Mary-Pascale. That EVIL desi bin' sellin' me onery fruit. Yer
be needin' to RECOGNIZE him for what he IS."
Face it, PV, you're a fucking nutter.
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>Certainly I have no affection for you, or FDP, or JPB, or
>Peter, or Hugh. But you are hardly 'representative' of the
>British.
Excuse me for opening every post this evening with a 'ho ho ho', PV,
but you're having such a bad night that I just can't help myself.
Ho ho ho
Only a real fuckwit (for that is what you are) would reach the
conclusion that the vast majority of British posters who present
themselves to him are hardly representative of their nationality!
<hissy fit about GI fathers so indicatve of PV's frustration snipped>
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<rant in which PV 'for a change' claims victory on a topic he has long
since retreated from after being _outclased_ snipped>
That's all!
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:iei2mugkf4amel2tg...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:09:55 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
>> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:sv30mug2uggaueocq...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> >
>> >> Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
>> >> Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
>> >> Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
>> >> requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
>> >> bodies.
>> >>
>> >Nothing to do with my observation. I wish her well.
>>
>> No you don't. Your entire posting on the subject has been but a simple
>> minded exercise in rote personal abuse towards her.
>>
>No, sport. It's been pulling your chain. Very effectively,
>I might add.
And there's the admission of your defeat which often follows the
destruction of your flimsy arguments.
Ignoring, of course, the fact that your 'debate' on the guilt of
Louise Woodward was conducted mainly against JPB, and was largely
ignored by myself except for some self-satisfied observations as to
how ignorant you are with reference to the English Legal System.
res ipsa loquitur
w00f
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:32 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Woodward has attained a degree in law.
>
>> Shit, dirt... So DID YOU!!! My point is thus... MADE.
>
>Whereas 'YOU' (sic) have achieved no education whatsoever, other than
>the annual 'Wheat Arranging' championships in your native Kozolec, before
>you left at the age of 14.
>
>Reading this and other threads has been amusing, in that familiar 'LDB
>Gets His Arse Toasted' sort of way. It's obvious that your fear and
>hatred of those who were able to obtain an education, drives you to
>the peak of spittle-flecking, table-thumping, vein-bursting rage ...
>'Great White Whale' ..? *snigger*
>
>{ snip }
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:36 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:18:50 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
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>
>> My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your
>'posts.'
>> I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was
>rambling.
>
>LOL ... you should use that excuse more often ... like at the end of everyt
>one of your posts ... oh, look ... my finger tapped the 't' key, just
>after the 'y' at the end of 'every' ... quick, get that in the list of
>typos ... sorry, typo's !!!!
>
>Oh, and remind us again of how 'quote' is a noun ... *guffaw!!!*
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
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>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:27 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
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>{ snip LDB getting it wrong again ... }
>
>> I believe that incubus can speak for himself. I certainly
>> don't need to JUSTIFY to YOU what I see in his posts.
>> For certain, I see him as much more rational than you've
>> EVER been here. Good grief, do you have any idea how
>> often I've spanked your rosy butt?
>
>Football back to you, incubus ...
>
>--
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:34 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> No, sport. It's been pulling your chain. Very effectively,
>> I might add. By 'wishing her well,' I sincerely wish she
>> remains out of the U.S., thus causing no further damage
>> here, and making her existence totally immaterial to me.
>> I wish all those who cannot harm me or my family well.
>> And I hold a great 'well' of pity for you, as 'well.'
>
>Still struggling with the subjunctive, I see ...
>
>LOL ... now watch him squirm to try to find where the error is ... which
>is why I left the entire paragraph unsnipped ...
>
>Jump, Little Dancing Boy !! Jump !!
>
>'How high, Master ??!!'
>
>ROTFLMAO !!!
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
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A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
news:slrnam4e0g.o1b.pasde...@lievre.voute.net...
> Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:18:50 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your 'posts.'
> > I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was rambling.
>
> one of your posts ... oh, look ... my finger tapped the 't' key, just
> after the 'y' at the end of 'every' ... quick, get that in the list of
> typos ... sorry, typo's !!!!
>
that your posts are confused and disoriented more often than not.
But they are. While your logic is horrific, and the syntax of your
sentence constructions, if they are of any length at all, are startling
in their incomprehensibility. Where you really 'shine,' however; is
the short one line paedomorphic phrase you provide, that usually is
simply a repeat of what the other has said to you. With an added
'snigger,' 'guffaw,' 'bwahahhahahha,' or some other silly animal noise,
that seems to be the sum total of your ability.
> Oh, and remind us again of how 'quote' is a noun ... *guffaw!!!*
>
I don't need to. The OED has done it for me, as has dictionary.com
yourdictionary.com, as well as my 2000 + page Webster's
Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
Plus http://www.hyperdic.net/dic/q/quote.htm
You may not like it, but I don't CARE, since it is a short meaning
of 'quotation' and is defined as such in those references.
PV
> --
> Des On The Road |EVEN SATAN KNOWS
|AND LIFTS HIS BROW IN WONDER AT
|THE EVIL DESI SHOWS
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > No, sport. It's been pulling your chain. Very effectively,
> > I might add. By 'wishing her well,' I sincerely wish she
> > remains out of the U.S., thus causing no further damage
> > here, and making her existence totally immaterial to me.
> > I wish all those who cannot harm me or my family well.
> > And I hold a great 'well' of pity for you, as 'well.'
>
>
pretentious your post, the smaller is your argument.
> LOL ... now watch him squirm to try to find where the error is ... which
> is why I left the entire paragraph unsnipped ...
>
While adding a childish comment with about as much content
as a floating turd. Since I doubt seriously you even know
what 'subjunctive' means. Because 'quote' certainly has confused
you.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Woodward has attained a degree in law.
>
> > Shit, dirt... So DID YOU!!! My point is thus... MADE.
>
> the annual 'Wheat Arranging' championships in your native Kozolec, before
> you left at the age of 14.
>
Actually, sport.. you have readily admitted you know NOTHING
about my 'education.'... And it pisses you off, to find yourself
being spanked so often, and so hard, by someone who you might
think lacks 'educational credentials.' Imagine getting whipped by
a 'red-neck American'!!!! But I know Logic, and I know Ethics, and
I know common sense, and I know Mathematics, and of course I
knew who Apate refers to, and I know that 'quote' is a noun. And
I know your 'education' was most probably packaged as a prize in
a box of cheerios.
> Reading this and other threads has been amusing, in that familiar 'LDB
> Gets His Arse Toasted' sort of way. It's obvious that your fear and
> hatred of those who were able to obtain an education, drives you to
> the peak of spittle-flecking, table-thumping, vein-bursting rage ...
> 'Great White Whale' ..? *snigger*
>
I find the 'picture' of Louise far from causing anything resembling 'rage,'
you nitwit. Anyone who cannot see the resemblance to a 'beached
great white whale' is blind. It is almost a 'scholarly curiosity' that
provides humor for us to watch how when some (you here for example),
wriggle for an escape from the most obvious.... all common sense, and
every perception of reality, seeming to desert them.
This is sooooo cruel of me. Driving FDP (flopping drunken puppet),
into a petulant rage -- That ruddy face, those bulging eyes, the
throbbing vein in his temple, the trembling chin on the verge of tears of
frustration, the drool - looking strangely like afterbirth - lacing in strands
across his keyboard, the fist beating futilely on the desk, as he
screams in rage -- 'That fuckin' PV... he got me again.' Oh, well....
<belly laugh off>
Looks like we are still finding only 'mindless drivel' in FDP's comments.
PV
> { snip }
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:9u75mu83mh9336706...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:57 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:fej2muc61iaedh0vm...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:48 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> >> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snipped>
> >>
> >>
> >> > The ACTUAL guilt of
> >> >anyone is a subjective view, regardless of how sure we
> >> >are individually of such guilt.
> >>
> >> ROTFLMAO!
> >>
> >> You do get confused, don't you?
> >>
> >> Guilt is a question of fact.
> >>
> >ROTFLMAO... TRUE guilt - ACTUAL guilty - is a question of
> >'beyond ANY doubt.'
>
> Ho di ho di ho
>
> Like Des says, you are a _profoundly_ stupid man.
>
> Your clumsy prose aside, you are clearly confused, and as usual, have
> gone off on a tangent and attempted to describe what is essentially a
> quite obvious state of affairs utilising (ho ho ho) your own
> self-contrived rhetorical shite.
>
across the consiousness, destroying all rational thought in its wake,
much as a brush fire destroys a stand of tree.
> Why am I not surprised?
>
Because you're too ignorant to EVER be surprised (I see you've
learned how to spell it however. Good boy.)
> Guilt is guilt. A question of fact. A person who has committed a
> relevant act (actus reus) when in the relevant state of mind (mens
> rea) is guilty of the particular offence which proscribes such
> behaviour.
>
ROTFLMAO. Tell that to all your abolitionist friends that
keep talking about the 'innocents' that have been executed,
who were found guilty under the same principles you would
not claim constitutes TRUE, ABSOLUTE, ACTUAL guilt.
> The point which I believe you are evidently striving (unsuccessfully)
> to make is that we are, of course, not telepathic beings. Thus a
> prosecutor must prove only beyond all _reasonable_ doubt that the
> relevant mens rea and actus reus coincided, otherwise, no conviction
> would ever occur.
>
No shit, Sherlock. And others have called you pathetically
simplistic. How ever did they come up with that???
> However, you will find that there is no such thing as 'legal guilt' or
> 'actual guilt' - which are, of course, your own silly concepts. A
> person who commits a crime but is not punished by a court is no less
> guilty of that offence than the man given life - the jury simply
> failed in its job as arbiter of fact to discern that guilt.
>
Don't blame it on the jury, Louise. Maybe the guy never even
got caught. There is most certainly a difference, a profound
difference between 'legal' guilt, which rests on 'beyond a
reasonable doubt,' and 'true' guilt, which rests of 'the certainty
of the act.'
> >We cannot presume to KNOW the
> >ACTUAL guilt in any human act. It's ALL perception.
> >Individual perception.
>
> You are getting confused, PV, possibly between concepts of guilt and
> culpability. I am not sure, though, because your power to express
> yourself is so very limited.
>
No, actually, YOU are confused. Take a famous case
for example. O.J. Simpson. He is LEGALLY and FACTUALLY
NOT GUILTY. But ACTUALLY being INNOCENT is quite another
matter. He may well BE...clearly NO ONE but Mr. Simpson
himself probably KNOWS of a certainty of his ACTUAL guilt or
innocence. Which is my point.
> In short, your silly statement above is nonsensical. A person is
> guilty of an act if he performs that act. Simple as that. Even one as
> thick as pick [sic] shit can work it out.
No, no, Louise The pig shit is all yours... A person can be legally
guilty while that says NOTHING about ACTUAL guilt. For someone
who claims to be a lawyer (ho ho), that's rather a basic Law 101
principle. In fact Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of
England, speaks directly to 'legal guilt.' See -
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/blackstone/bk3ch11.htm
And then we have a cite --- Shaw v. State of Alaska Public
Defender Agency. See
http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-4008.htm
Quoting -- "As a result, a jury verdict does not address necessarily
the issue of a defendant's actual guilt. Two examples suffice to
make the point. A defendant who committed the crime may
be acquitted if the jury, based on the evidence introduced by
the prosecution, had a reasonable doubt as to the defendant's
legal guilt."
See how the court views 'legal' and 'actual' guilt differently?
You must feel very stupid about now.
> mens rea + actus reus = offence
>
No, no, Louise. mens rea is a 'sausage.' and 'actus reus' is a
six-pack. So mens rea + actus reus = What Louise had for
lunch.
<Louise agreeing with that conclusion clipped>
PV
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:aem5muss1mjbjspot...@4ax.com...
Rant where Louise proves a deficiency in 'spelling' left in.
It's not 'outclased' (sic), Louise.
> That's all!
>
Well, it's enough to show you lack a 'classical education' (sic).
PV
> w00f
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:n2m5mu4k5ml5aihte...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >>
> >Certainly I have no affection for you, or FDP, or JPB, or
> >Peter, or Hugh. But you are hardly 'representative' of the
> >British.
>
> Excuse me for opening every post this evening with a 'ho ho ho', PV,
> but you're having such a bad night that I just can't help myself.
>
> Ho ho ho
>
> conclusion that the vast majority of British posters who present
> themselves to him are hardly representative of their nationality!
>
they DO they are almost to a man abolitionists. (there is one
recent exception, who has been the subject of your unreasoned
abuse as usual). And they are not 'just' abolitionists, but
hysterically so. And scream of 'morality' and 'how great their
system is,' and how very barbaric the U.S. is. Now I refuse
to believe that anywhere near a majority of British are as you,
or Peter, or Hugh, or your 'soul brother' Brit, FDP. You are
all no better than 'Tent crusading' evangelists -- hoping to
preach the 'good book,' and save all us sinners. While
presuming that we are somehow 'better' if we keep ALL
murderers alive to salivate over their murders into their
80s.
> <hissy fit about GI fathers so indicatve of PV's frustration snipped>
It's true isn't it. I notice this is the first time you've faced
the issue, which could demonstrate you are on the road
to recovery. But, is that really so 'indicatve' (sic) of me,
Louise?? You're pitiful actually, and I'm just trying to help
you understand yourself.
PV
> w00f
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:dlh5muk2rl25na2bo...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:18:50 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <irrelevant attribution key cluelessly left in post snipped>
>
> >
> >My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your 'posts.'
> >I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was rambling.
> >
>
> Of course it was...
>
> Your insanity and irrational hatred is now _so_ well developed that
> you see me and desi [sic] in almost everything that you come accross.
My, my... you're a hysterical little shit today, aren't you? Perhaps
you'd like to tell me to 'shut up,' again? If it's come accross (sic),
that I find both of you disgusting in respect to both your views on the
DP and your personal character, my goal has been achieved. You've
always been a little shit to me, and you always will be. There is a
certain impossibility I see to your 'claim' of being a lawyer. I feel
it just isn't true, but you've worked very hard to try and pretend you
are. You must know by now, that being 'insulted' by you, is the best
form of praise.
As I told FDP, I will tell you Louise (maybe more often than you
would like) --
Clearly I would never tell you to 'shut up' (in fact, I wouldn't dream
of it, since you shoot yourself in the foot so effectively when
you 'open' your mouth). You must be the most stupid man in
the world if you believe telling me to 'be silent,' can be seen in
any way as 'winning' an argument.
Now, this is sooooo cruel of me. Driving Louise into a
petulant rage -- That ruddy face, those bulging eyes, the
throbbing vein in his temple, the trembling chin on the verge of
tears of frustration, the drool - looking strangely like afterbirth -
lacing in strands across his keyboard, the fist beating futilely on
the desk, as he screams in rage -- 'That fuckin' PV... he got me
again... and again... and again.'
PV
> w00f
>
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:3jm5mugsgbe8pm6js...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:58 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:iei2mugkf4amel2tg...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:09:55 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> >> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:sv30mug2uggaueocq...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> <snipped>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Indeed, to become a Lawyer, she must become affiliated with the Law
> >> >> Society, Fellowship of Legal Executives or Council for Licensed
> >> >> Conveyancers, and pass their own relevant entry courses. There are
> >> >> requirements to be of 'good character' in joining all three governing
> >> >> bodies.
> >> >>
> >> >Nothing to do with my observation. I wish her well.
> >>
> >> No you don't. Your entire posting on the subject has been but a simple
> >> minded exercise in rote personal abuse towards her.
> >>
> >No, sport. It's been pulling your chain. Very effectively,
> >I might add.
>
> And there's the admission of your defeat which often follows the
> destruction of your flimsy arguments.
>
> Ignoring, of course, the fact that your 'debate' on the guilt of
> Louise Woodward was conducted mainly against JPB, and was largely
> ignored by myself except for some self-satisfied observations as to
> how ignorant you are with reference to the English Legal System.
>
> res ipsa loquitur
exempla sunt odiosa
PV
> w00f
>
>
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:06:23 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:05:35 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> res ipsa loquitur
>
>> exempla sunt odiosa
>
>Tu es stultior quam asinus
>
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>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>ubject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:54:52 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:53:16 +0100, dirtdog <dir...@fruffrant.com> a écrit
>:
>
>>>My 'THEM,' and 'they' referred to dirtbag and desi, rather than your
>'posts.'
>>>I understand that it was not that clear. But it was late, and I was
>rambling.
>
>> Of course it was...
>>
>> Your insanity and irrational hatred is now _so_ well developed that
>> you see me and desi [sic] in almost everything that you come accross.
>>
>> I can well imagine you when you and your wife are woken at 6.00am by
>> noisy dustmen,
>>
>> "That'll be that pesky desi and dirtbag again, Chantalle-Jane. Git me
>> mah gun."
>>
>> Or when the oranges, sorry, orange's you brought from the supermarket
>> turn out to be slightly 'off',
>>
>> "Dang it Mary-Pascale. That EVIL desi bin' sellin' me onery fruit. Yer
>> be needin' to RECOGNIZE him for what he IS."
>
>LOL ... this has got to be _THE_ wittiest thing {1} I have read on AADP for
>at least two months ... well done !!
>
>'That EVIL desi bin' sellin' me onery fruit' ... *giggle*
>
>{1} aside from LDB's inept and mendacious claims to be 'educated',
> and his insistence that he doesn't take us seriously (despite slavishly
> responding to each and every one of our posts).
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:54:52 +0000
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Just passing by
> "Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02081...@posting.google.com...
> > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<Qp089.336246$XH.74...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> >
> > >
> > > > >Nor does it even
> > > > > have anything to do with guilt/innocence of Louise, but
> > > > > relates to her certainly demonstrated inability to function
> > > > > at a reasonable level of intelligence.
> >
> >
> > > Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
> > > as possessing limited intelligence,
> >
> > What is the basis for this claim? Well recognised by whom? Anyone but
> > you? And if only you, what examples can you offer to back it up?
> >
> Well, she did 'drop a baby.'
>
And that's it? That is the entire basis for your absurd remarks about
low intelligence? Even from you I was expecting something better than
that.
As you know, PV, I have discussed that case with many people in many
forums, and although I have seen Louise Woodward called many
uncomplimentary things, stupid has never been one of them. Indeed,
even members of the prosecution team and the Eappens themselves have
described her as intelligent, and that is why I asked for examples.
But you haven't even given a true example, as she didn't drop the baby
at all, as the evidence has established. That was simply a lie told by
Det. Sgt. William Byrne - who told two conflicting stories to the
grand jury and the trial - but which was exposed as a lie by a witness
- present when he said she had said that - who was and still is a
friend of the Eappens, and by Byrne's own report to his boss Captain
Marchand.
She is much smarter than you, PV.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:05:35 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> res ipsa loquitur
>
> > exempla sunt odiosa
>
FDP turns on computer..... FDP finds himself frustrated,
recognizing his innate stupidity, and inability to comprehend
what PV has written... he bangs head in futility a number of times
on computer desk... he rushes into google... he enters 'insult
latin'.......he climaxes excitedly over keyboard as he finds
http://www.insults.net/html/swear/latin.html
FDP believes himself so clever that he has managed to navigate
the net and find an 'insult' in Latin.
Stercorem pro cerebro habes
PV
> --
> Des On The Road |barbae tenus sapientes #1
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02082...@posting.google.com...
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<V_l89.341097$XH.76...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> > "Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:21b1da28.02081...@posting.google.com...
> > > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<Qp089.336246$XH.74...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >Nor does it even
> > > > > > have anything to do with guilt/innocence of Louise, but
> > > > > > relates to her certainly demonstrated inability to function
> > > > > > at a reasonable level of intelligence.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thus, when Louise Woodward, a child well recognized
> > > > as possessing limited intelligence,
> > >
> > > What is the basis for this claim? Well recognised by whom? Anyone but
> > > you? And if only you, what examples can you offer to back it up?
> > >
> > Well, she did 'drop a baby.'
> >
>
> And that's it? That is the entire basis for your absurd remarks about
> low intelligence? Even from you I was expecting something better than
> that.
>
> As you know, PV, I have discussed that case with many people in many
> forums, and although I have seen Louise Woodward called many
> uncomplimentary things, stupid has never been one of them. Indeed,
> even members of the prosecution team and the Eappens themselves have
> described her as intelligent, and that is why I asked for examples.
>
> But you haven't even given a true example, as she didn't drop the baby
> at all, as the evidence has established. That was simply a lie told by
> Det. Sgt. William Byrne - who told two conflicting stories to the
> grand jury and the trial - but which was exposed as a lie by a witness
> - present when he said she had said that - who was and still is a
> friend of the Eappens, and by Byrne's own report to his boss Captain
> Marchand.
>
Sure, JPB... It's all lies. Keep on believing that, you silly shit.
> She is much smarter than you, PV.
>
Which makes you, if you believe her innocent, the silliest shit on
this planet. And she is hardly 'smarter.' She just had smarter
lawyers who helped her 'get away with it.' She -- is actually
rather stupid. But I can understand how you'd think otherwise.
Given your strong sexual obsession with 'Great While Whales.'
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:06:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> >> res ipsa loquitur
>
> >> > exempla sunt odiosa
>
> >> Tu es stultior quam asinus
>
> > FDP turns on computer..... FDP finds himself frustrated,
> > recognizing his innate stupidity, and inability to comprehend
> > what PV has written... he bangs head in futility a number of times
> > on computer desk... he rushes into google... he enters 'insult
> > latin'.......he climaxes excitedly over keyboard as he finds
> > http://www.insults.net/html/swear/latin.html
> > FDP believes himself so clever that he has managed to navigate
> > the net and find an 'insult' in Latin.
>
> his mouth with the back of his other hand ... massages his throbbing
> forehead ... realises that 'desi' (sic) has 'complicationned' (sic)
> things again ... and screams at the top of his voice, 'He got me again !!!'
>
> *chortle*
>
> Thanks for the URL, LDB ... I didn't know that one. You forget that
> I speak a Latin-based language to native fluency, and that this
> necessitates ... sorry ... necessitate's ... knowing Latin.
>
> Nice try, though, but on balance, it merits ... *slap!*
>
> > Stercorem pro cerebro habes
>
> Parturient montes: nascetur ridiculus mus.
>
ROTFLMAO. Actually, sport. There is no colon in that pithy
saying of Horace, in the original text. It is --
"Quid dignum tanto feret hic promissor hiatu?
Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus."
The original Latin can be found at
http://patriot.net/~lillard/cp/hor.arspoet.html
Lines 137-138. Among many other Latin sources.
Nor does the translation have anything to do with the
thread. As usual your flamboyant attempt to appear
'intellectual,' simply proves what we knew all along... it's
'pseudo.'
PV
> --
incubus
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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Is this turning into a war of the petty??
A Planet Visitor
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote in message news:6g999.46145$IU4.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
the Czechs and the Poles 'smelly auslanders.' Things
don't 'turn into' in the case of FDP. He does not actually
'become' a worthless shit. He has always been one.
PV
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
> as well as my 2000 + page Webster's
>Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
Oooo. What a big cock you have, FW.
I, PV, have books about trusts which run well in excess of 2000 pages.
Since such length is necessary to fully discuss but one element of
law*, one wonders at how anyone could seek to define an entire
_language_ in such a pissy little volume is beyond me.
So kindly utilise (ho ho ho) some decorum and put your kiddies
dictionary away
w00f
*- Simplified terminology for fuckwits. Trusts, of course, are most
certainly _not_ the jurisdiction of law.
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
>FDP (flopping drunken puppet),
This is about the tenth time you have defined your 'witticism', PV.
Do you really think:
1- That anyone even cares what your little copy-cat retort to Desmond
dubbing you 'LDB' is supposed to mean or,
2- That, if anyone does indeed care, those people will find yor
'witticism' even slightly funny?
<tit-for-tat lack of originality snipped>
w00f
A Planet Visitor
> Le 21 Aug 2002 20:00:20 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Well, she did 'drop a baby.'
>
> > And that's it? That is the entire basis for your absurd remarks about
> > low intelligence? Even from you I was expecting something better than
> > that.
>
> Formerly Known as PV'.
>
> He knows that he has backed himself into a corner, and that he is wrong,
> beyond any shadow of doubt. He wants to drop the subject, now, but his
> king-sized ego won't allow him to do so. So he's being as dense and
> as obtuse as possible (again), in the hope that you will throw up your
> hands in exasperation, and say, 'I give up'. That way, he can have the
> final word, and can convince himself that the 'hollowed [sic] halls' of
> AADP, will remember him.
>
> I would advise you not to do so, but of course, it's your choice. I'd
> just like to say thanks for the posts in this thread, as I hadn't really
> followed the Woodward case, and I learned a lot in the past few days.
>
Need I say it??? Yes.. I guess I must. A great big --
SLURP... SLURP.... SLURP.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. What a fucking hypocrite
'Uncle Tom' desi actually is.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:05:35 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > You got that from that???
>
> the English language. 'You got that from that', must rank up there
> with the Classics (ho, ho ...), such as 'let me give you some advise,'
> or 'I'd like to insure that ...', or the Granddaddy of them all, his
> claim that 'quote' is a noun in standard English.
>
> Still, the man who can come out with 'others are posting to others',
> and still keep a straight face ... he deserves a round of applause
> for being the most profoundly stupid man ever to 'grace' AADP ...
>
> { cue LDB's 100 kB, finger-pointing, forehound-pounding, lip-trembling,
> desktop-thumping, screaming 'He got me again !!', followed by claims
> of the contrary ... }
>
I'll leave in everything here, because it shows dementia creeping
in to 'Uncle Tom's' comments. He's been thumped so badly, that
I do believe he's going insane, in some sort of irrational pedantic,
and possibly nationalistic frenzy.
To 'Uncle Tom' -- you must realize what I've said, and seek help,
if you find that you need to remark on words such as "You got
that from that???" Did you give any thought to your current
post? What is a 'forehound'?
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:05:30 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Parturient montes: nascetur ridiculus mus.
>
> > ROTFLMAO. Actually, sport. There is no colon in that pithy
> > saying of Horace, in the original text.
>
>
> If any further proof of your insecurity were needed, this is it ...
> oh thank You, `echo $DEITY` ... thank You for allowing LDB to once
> more show us that he is the laughing stock of this newsgroup.
>
There is still no colon in that pithy saying, 'Uncle Tom.' All the
rolling and horseshit will not change that FACT. And it
appears you intend to demonstrate what the saying of Horace
implies.
> { snip }
>
> > Nor does the translation have anything to do with the
> > thread. As usual your flamboyant attempt to appear
> > 'intellectual,' simply proves what we knew all along... it's
> > 'pseudo.'
>
> Regrettable (sic) for you, LDB, but the translation is _perfectly_
> relevant in the context ... I'm sorry that things were too
> 'complication' (sic) for you, and that my 'quote' (sic) was 'hid'
> (sic) from you're (sic) comprehension, but then why should any of
> us try to join you're (sic) life, anyway ..?
>
No, it's actually NOT relevant at all. 'The mountains shall be in
labor, a laughable mouse will be born,' had no meaning in respect
to the thread, since it's 'meaning' is 'all that work and nothing to
show for it,' unless you mean the excessive effort that you put
into it. Oh, right... you DID put all that work into it.
> *snigger*
Ah, yes... the whinny of a 'spanked donkey.' Very appropriate.
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:594bmu422sn7rat45...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:49:56 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > as well as my 2000 + page Webster's
> >Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
>
> Oooo. What a big cock you have, FW.
There's that envy again. You know, doctors can now work
miracles with an undescended penis, Louise You really
should look into it.
<pitiful whine of having little penis clipped>
PV
> w00f
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:dr4bmush6lhs68e1e...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:49:55 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> >FDP (flopping drunken puppet),
>
> This is about the tenth time you have defined your 'witticism', PV.
>
my posts. Always happy to increase readership. I hope
everyone also realizes why I call you Louise, and 'opposite man,'
and why I also call FDP (flopping drunken puppet) "Uncle Tom.'
> Do you really think:
>
> 1- That anyone even cares what your little copy-cat retort to Desmond
> dubbing you 'LDB' is supposed to mean or,
>
LDB?'
> 2- That, if anyone does indeed care, those people will find yor
> 'witticism' even slightly funny?
>
> <tit-for-tat lack of originality snipped>
>
Oh, Louise... you really need to get a life.
PV
> w00f
>
>
>
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:594bmu422sn7rat45...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:49:56 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
>> <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> > as well as my 2000 + page Webster's
>> >Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
>>
>> Oooo. What a big cock you have, FW.
>
>There's that envy again. You know, doctors can now work
>miracles with an undescended penis, Louise You really
>should look into it.
>
><pitiful whine of having little penis clipped>
I dont have a penis. I have a weeping, fish scented, menopausal axe
wound.
Just like your wife.
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snipped>
>>
>I think the question is 'does anyone know what desi means with
>LDB?'
>
Yes, I think they do.
'Little Dancing Boy' is certainly an apt moniker for you, given your
penchant for dancing around like a little boy on _demand_.
'FDP' is simply a rather silly tit-for-tat copycat effort.
Then again, you are having a very bad day for plagiarism.
w00f
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:28:58 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:54:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip justified praise of yet another member of 'The Gang' }
>
>> Need I say it??? Yes.. I guess I must. A great big --
>
>'You're all weally bad to me !!!'
>
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
>
>
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:08:29 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:55:02 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> If any further proof of your insecurity were needed, this is it ...
>>> oh thank You, `echo $DEITY` ... thank You for allowing LDB to once
>>> more show us that he is the laughing stock of this newsgroup.
>
>> There is still no colon in that pithy saying, 'Uncle Tom.'
>
>Hardly surprising, as I didn't write, 'Uncle Tom', LDB. Is your
>illiteracy really as profound as your stupidity ? Is that even
>possible ?
>
>Irrespective of how often you 'surf [sic] Autodin, Milnet, ARPANET,
>cyphony and the Defense [sic] Data Network', in order to appear marginally
>more intelligent than a cocker spaniel, you fail. Each and every time.
>Now excuse me, I can feel a giggle coming on ...
>
>*snigger*
>
>... ah, that's better.
>
>An expression in Latin, and LDB runs ... sorry, run's off to his
>'favorite' (sic) search engine, types ... sorry, type's in the
>phrase, and tries ... oops, try's ... to appear clever.
>
>And fails.
>
>Again.
>
>Bwwwwaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:49:47 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:55:58 +0100, dirtdog <dir...@fruffrant.com> a écrit
>:
>
>>>I think the question is 'does anyone know what desi means with
>>>LDB?'
>
>> Yes, I think they do.
>>
>> 'Little Dancing Boy' is certainly an apt moniker for you, given your
>> penchant for dancing around like a little boy on _demand_.
>>
>> 'FDP' is simply a rather silly tit-for-tat copycat effort.
>>
>> Then again, you are having a very bad day for plagiarism.
>
>He has also been referred to as 'The Poster Formerly Known as PV',
>but his most common names ... sorry, name's ... now, are of course,
>LDB, and 'The Fraud'.
>
>Football back to you, dirt ...
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:39:06 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:54:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Did you give any thought to your current post? What is a 'forehound'?
>
>I am surprised that you, LDB, Florida's most (in)famous 'Smelly
>Ausländer', have to ask that. A forehound is a dog that guards the
>front (i.e. the 'fore') of a house. Like this one ...
>
>
>url:http://www.coastalhomeandcottage.com/photogallery/common_template_ima
ges/perdidokey_DH_pick_top20/pages/Copy%20of%20DCP_2853c.htm
>
>Of course, as I wouldn't want to steal your job of AADP's resident
>stinking liar, 'forehound' was in fact a typo, and should have read
>'forehead'. Who knows ... maybe I was thinking of Marie-Pascale, and
>her 'onery oranges, when I typed it.
>
>Add it to your list. Then make a fool of yourself, by 'quote' (sic)
>it back to me. However, as I have defused your 'argument' (*snigger*),
>before you even make it, all that you'll have is more pointing at the
>screen, massaging your 'forehound' ... and more flinching each time that
>I move my hand. Your master's hand.
>
>'How high, Master ??!!'
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Well Folks, It's Been Fun ...
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:50:39 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:29:15 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> I think the question is 'does anyone know what desi means with
>> LDB?'
>
>Oh, everyone knows what LDB means, LDB. And as you're now being
>pilloried every day here on AADP, because of that name, I don't
>think anyone will forget it.
>
>Whereas during the same period, you've had to conujure up a dozen or
>so copy-cat little insults, and you're _still_ the only one who uses
>them.
>
>As has been said before, LDB, people prefer the original to a copy. Which
>is why you're still our favourite idiot.
>
>Now, about O.J. Simpson's 'murder conviction' ..?
>
>--
>Des On The Road |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:rk6dmuo18b7m0i7t5...@4ax.com...
PV
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:mi6dmuo92gpcv5iea...@4ax.com...
believe that. You have apparently removed the apostrophe key from
your keyboard to avoid committing all of those 'greengrocer'
apostrophe errors you've committed in the past.
PV
> w00f
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
> >>LDB?'
>
> > Yes, I think they do.
> >
> > 'Little Dancing Boy' is certainly an apt moniker for you, given your
> > penchant for dancing around like a little boy on _demand_.
> >
> > 'FDP' is simply a rather silly tit-for-tat copycat effort.
> >
> > Then again, you are having a very bad day for plagiarism.
>
> but his most common names ... sorry, name's ... now, are of course,
> LDB, and 'The Fraud'.
>
> Football back to you, dirt ...
>
you two feverishly attempt to fuck that flaccid football, with those
flaccid and undescended penises you both possess. You should
try to sell tickets.
PV
> --
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:55:02 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> oh thank You, `echo $DEITY` ... thank You for allowing LDB to once
> >> more show us that he is the laughing stock of this newsgroup.
>
> > There is still no colon in that pithy saying, 'Uncle Tom.'
>
are the Jewish 'Uncle Tom' to all the radical elements in Europe
who still have a deep hatred for the Jews, and an irrational hope
that terrorists 'seize the day,' in that particular part of the
world. It's disgusting that you'd play a part in it. At the least
we should expect some neutrality in your perspective. Tell us
again about how your close relatives (sic) suffered in the war.
You fucking hypocrite.
<animal grunts and groans from our 'Jewish' (sic) 'Uncle Tom' clipped>
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:29:15 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > I think the question is 'does anyone know what desi means with
> > LDB?'
>
> pilloried every day here on AADP, because of that name, I don't
> think anyone will forget it.
>
> Whereas during the same period, you've had to conujure up a dozen or
> so copy-cat little insults, and you're _still_ the only one who uses
> them.
>
> As has been said before, LDB, people prefer the original to a copy. Which
> is why you're still our favourite idiot.
>
> Now, about O.J. Simpson's 'murder conviction' ..?
>
Now about that "ample evidence of an executed innocent"...?
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:54:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip justified praise of yet another member of 'The Gang' }
>
<pathetic whine clipped>
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:54:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
>
> Ausländer', have to ask that. A forehound is a dog that guards the
> front (i.e. the 'fore') of a house.
And 'foreskin' is apparently what covers the little brain you have.
> 'How high, Master ??!!'
>
As usual... simply high enough to kiss my ass, my little puppet.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:06:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> >> res ipsa loquitur
>
> >> > exempla sunt odiosa
>
> >> Tu es stultior quam asinus
>
> > FDP turns on computer..... FDP finds himself frustrated,
> > recognizing his innate stupidity, and inability to comprehend
> > what PV has written... he bangs head in futility a number of times
> > on computer desk... he rushes into google... he enters 'insult
> > latin'.......he climaxes excitedly over keyboard as he finds
> > http://www.insults.net/html/swear/latin.html
> > FDP believes himself so clever that he has managed to navigate
> > the net and find an 'insult' in Latin.
>
> LDB slams his fist down onto the table again ... wipes spittle from
> his mouth with the back of his other hand ... massages his throbbing
> forehead ... realises that 'desi' (sic) has 'complicationned' (sic)
> things again ... and screams at the top of his voice, 'He got me again !!!'
>
> *chortle*
>
> Thanks for the URL, LDB ... I didn't know that one. You forget that
> I speak a Latin-based language to native fluency, and that this
> necessitates ... sorry ... necessitate's ... knowing Latin.
>
Silly boy... A pathetic attempt to project a level of intelligence
you do not possess. I speak Italian to near native fluency, and I certainly
do not claim to recognize enough words in Latin to gain a sure
understanding of the import of the totality of meaning in Latin
sentences. And Italian is much closer to Latin than French, which
I also handle quite adequately. You're just a big unlovable jerk in this
newsgroup, FDP. An obnoxious, pain-in-the-ass hypocrite, who
gets his jollies by making the most disgusting, and unbelievable
remarks possible. Remarks directed in only one of six directions
in all your posts --
1) Contemptible bigoted remarks directed toward others in Europe - such
as calling them 'smelly auslanders'
2) Perverted remarks directed toward the U.S. or one of its citizens.
3) Cruel and pitiless insults directed at those who support the DP,
such as calling the mother of a son just murdered perverse.
4) Obsessive displays of worthless affection for murderers, calling them
'victims.' and 'praying for them.'
5) Psychotic paranoia with my posts. While lacking any sort of
logic, or common sense in that paranoia. Such as your recent
'rape-suicide' descent into totally illogical ignorance.
6) A despicable dependence on pedantic principles when encountering
an argument that you cannot handle. Usually accompanied by a
preening account of your 'classical education.'
Please let me know if any of those 'words' are too hard for you to
handle before referring to me as a 'pseudo-intellectual,' 'Uncle Tom,'
since I would be glad to dumb them down for you.
It's apparent that everyone already has your 'number,' sport. And the
only thing you have going for you, is the support of others who hold an
irrational view in respect to the DP. A view which they find unable to
defend on first principles, and thus need to find alternate ways to
be devious in presenting their views. All in all a pretty unstable crew,
relying almost exclusively on 'arguments' (sic) that those who support
the DP are 'deathies,' or 'arguments' (sic) having the same implication.
Certainly you have demonstrated you hold no regard whatsoever for
victims, since you've already said 'the dead cannot be honored.' So
all your 'love' must necessarily be extended toward the murderer.
<belly laugh off>
Just passing by
> news:slrnama9a3.13qh.pasd...@lievre.voute.net...
> >
> > I would advise you not to do so, but of course, it's your choice. I'd
> > just like to say thanks for the posts in this thread, as I hadn't really
> > followed the Woodward case, and I learned a lot in the past few days.
> >
Hi Desmond,
There can't be too many cases, even in the US, about which it can be
shown with 100% certainty that a wrongful conviction has occurred, and
yet that conviction still stands. In the UK there are a number of
cases - Barry George, Michael Stone, Sally Clarke and others - which,
on the strength of the evidence presented at trial, it can be said
that the jury got it wrong by failing to apply the "beyond reasonable
doubt" standard. But even in those cases, the complete innocence of
the accused - through no fault of their own - has never been
established beyond question.
But while "British justice" doesn't always emerge smelling of roses, I
know of no example of any conviction being allowed to stand after
incontrovertible proof of a person's innocence has been presented.
What happened to Stefan Kiszco was shameful and an appalling
indictment on the whole criminal justice system, but his conviction
was finally quashed after it emerged that he could not possibly have
committed the terrible crime he was wrongfully convicted of. So the
system, albeit late in the day, redeemed just a little of its lost
dignity and credibility.
But the same cannot be said about the system in Massachusetts. The
impossibility of Louise's guilt is no less than that of Stefan's - and
demonstrably so - yet those with the power to overturn that conviction
simply look the other way. The integrity of the system itself matters
more to them than the justice it is supposed to ensure.
The proven crimes and corruption of those working within the system is
ignored lest its greater public exposure might weaken public
confidence in the system itself. "Sweep it all under the carpet for
the sake of the 'greater good'." But that belief in this "greater
good" - the integrity of the system - can lead to innocent people
suffering even greater injustices than Louise herself went through. In
January of 2000, a popular US TV show hosted by Geraldo Rivera was
entirely devoted to the following day's planned execution of Ricky
McGinn who had been convicted of the rape and murder of his
twelve-year-old stepdaughter. At the time of the trial DNA evidence
was unavailable, but Rivera's question to his guests was: Should a DNA
test now be applied to confirm or disprove McGinn's guilt?
Three of the guests - Barry Scheck, Jerry Spence, and Mike Farrell -
agreed that the DNA testing should go ahead. But three others - Nancy
Grace, Mike Klaas, and Jerry Falwell - argued that it should not. Mike
Klaas became a campaigner for the rights of crime victims and their
families after his daughter was brutally murdered, and Jerry Falwell
is a controversial religious leader. But it is the other of those
three, Nancy Grace, and what she said that should be of deep concern
to Americans whether they are for or against the death penalty.
Nancy Grace was a high level prosecutor who later joined Court TV,
presenting their Pros & Cons show. She told Rivera and his viewers
that while she had no objection to DNA testing in general, providing
it was introduced at trial, she opposed its use after a trial because
at that point the case should remain closed to make way for the right
of the victims and their families to see the sentence carried out, and
to preserve the integrity of the system.
"Even if he didn't do it?" asked Rivera.
"He did it, Geraldo," replied Nancy.
Pressed further, she then expressed the more general view that
innocence established after a guilty verdict should not reverse that
verdict provided that the trial had been conducted within the correct
procedural framework, and that the evidence presented had convinced a
jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She added that even if a
judgement is later shown to be erroneous, the conviction should stand
and the sentence be carried out to preserve the integrity of the
system.
And it is that kind of attitude pervading the higher echelons of the
Massachusetts legal establishment that has ensured that Louise
Woodward's demonstrably wrongful and fraudulent conviction remains in
place, and that the likes of the criminal, Det. Sgt. William Byrne, is
not brought to justice for his crimes.
But it is not only Massachusetts where this cancer of apparent police
immunity from prosecution, in the interests of "the greater good",
appears to be in force. For many years Chicago Police Lt. Jon Burge
led a team of officers who routinely tortured suspects to extract
confessions - real or false - using such methods as suffocation,
burning, electric shocks, violent beatings and even Russian roulette
with guns. According to a federal judge, these practices were common
knowledge yet still Burge has never faced prosecution. Read this
report from the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.truthinjustice.org/clean-house.htm
In addition to official blind eyes to their crimes, corrupt cops like
Burge and Byrne rely on public ignorance to keep them out of jail.
Even in this day and age there are still plenty of sad misguided
idiots who can be relied on to greet any and all accusations of police
misconduct with the predictable "The cops wouldn't lie - they're the
good guys."
But they would lie and they do. And don't think they stop at just
lying to send innocent people, like Louise Woodward, to jail. Some
corrupt cops will happily commit perjury knowing that their innocent
victims will be executed as a result. Read about what bent cops &
prosecutors did to Rolando Cruz.
http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab011/rolandoCruz.html
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/cruz.htm
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.0208...@posting.google.com...
Does anyone STILL see some obsessing over the 'Great White Whale,'
here. Jesus... Greenpeace and 'Save the Whale' is bad enough.
but JPB and 'save the Great White Whale' is positively hilarious.
Somebody get a fucking harpoon... FAST!!!
PV
A Planet Visitor
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>
> "Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.0208...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespam_de...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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<clip obsessing>
> Does anyone STILL see some obsessing over the 'Great White Whale,'
> here. Jesus... Greenpeace and 'Save the Whale' is bad enough.
> but JPB and 'save the Great White Whale' is positively hilarious.
> Somebody get a fucking harpoon... FAST!!!
>
Before she drops another kid that is.
> PV
>