Can anyone tell me more about Landmark Education?

[Ronald]

My girlfriend went to an introduction-meeting of Landmark Education.
Her first thought was it was part of Scientology. I found out through
Ron Newman this organization comes from EST. Can anyone tell me more
about these two organizations? The last time I posted this question it
disappeared, can anyone tell me how this is possible?

Thanks, Ronald
r...@tndc.nl

[Ronald]

[Roland]

It's a high pressure sales cult. Except not religious. You should avoid
it as you would the Co$.

Roland
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"Err, there's no helicopter there, the guy's frozen in alcohol and
glycol, and sitting in a block, being given a big 3D Cecil B. De Milles
special motion picture." - part of L. Ron Hubbard's profound cosmology.

[David Gerard]

On 16 Jun 1997 16:46:56 GMT, Ronald <r...@tndc.nl> wrote:

:My girlfriend went to an introduction-meeting of Landmark Education.

:Her first thought was it was part of Scientology. I found out this

:organization comes from EST. Can anyone tell me more about these two
:organizations? The last time I posted this question it disappeared, can
:anyone tell me how this is possible?

Landmark aka Forum is the current form of EST; there's probably people
on alt.fan.landmark (where I've crossposted this) who could tell you
more. Werher Erhard, founder of EST, was in Scientology for a while and
apparently used a lot of Scientology-type material in EST.

I am informed that the rapacious hard-sell-no-matter-what behaviour
of the registrars in Landmark and in Scientology are *identical*.

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[Phillip Zadarnowski]

r...@tndc.nl (Ronald) wrote:

>My girlfriend went to an introduction-meeting of Landmark Education.
>Her first thought was it was part of Scientology. I found out this
>organization comes from EST. Can anyone tell me more about these two
>organizations? The last time I posted this question it disappeared, can
>anyone tell me how this is possible?

EST was considered a Squirrel group and headed by Werner Erhard,
I think, or somename like that. Anyway, EST was an equally evil
style of Scientology stuff, which ended up falling apart and
becoming Landmark. Friends of mine bowed to pressure and visited
a Landmark intro session or two. They came back with a very
specific view: Bollocks with a twist.

Landmark has it's own pressure techniques using 'commitments'
and 'promises', and is easily defeated with a bit of positive
pressure right back at them.

"Would you please refrain if at all possible from going to the
toilet during the session?" - Colleague: Fuck off, I take a
piss every 30 minutes, and no-one tells me when to do it...

Landmark is glossy but hollow organization, and money like
they want from you is far better spent on positive self
help.

[JP Cass]

[Below is a section I meant to include at the bottom of my original post,
which
should put Erhard's involvement in Scientology in perspective. Bartley,
the author of Erhard's biography from which most of this data comes, seems
to have been
a respected philosopher, and has been credited with laying some of the
groundwork for memetics.]

Timeline of Werner Erhard and his involvement in various disciplines

1935 born Jack Rosenberg, Philadelphia; father jewish, mother
episcopalian
1938 Fall from window, fractured skull, near death experience
1943 Near drowning
1945 Hypnotized by a stage magician
1946 Reads book on Hatha Yoga, practices
1952 Signs up for marines but doesn't get parents' permission
1953 Graduates from high school
1953 Marries Pat Fry, several months pregnant
1955-60 Sells automobiles, mostly new cars at dealerships
1959 Meets June Bryde, asks for but is refused a divorce
1960 Leaves with June, take new names as Werner Hans Erhard and Ellen
Virginia Erhard
1960 Settles in St. Louis, sells used cars
1960 Reads Napoleon Hill's Think and Grown Rich, Maxwell Maltz'
Pscyho-Cybernetics
1960 Discovers Ellen is a good subject for hypnosis, which he has been
studying for years
1961 Travels in midwest selling correspondence courses
1962 Settles in Spokane, works for Encyclopedia Brittanica's Great Books
Progam as salesman and sales trainer
1962 Parents Magazine Cultural Institute, child development materials,
sales management and training
1962 Introduced to the work of Abraham Maslov and Carl Rogers,
theoreticians of the Human Potential Movement
1963 Takes workshops at Esalen, meets Fritz Perls
1963 Encounter and sensitivity groups
1963 Moves to California
1963 "Peak experience"
1963 Starts reading the work of, and studies with, Zen writer Alan
Watts
1967 Dale Carnegie sales training
Other disciplines studied during this period, exact dates not given:
Gestalt
TA (Transactional Analysys)
Abilitism "Enlightenment Intensive"
Martial arts, Judo
Year's study in asian religion Subud
1968- Reads and studies studies Scientology, 5 levels and 70 hours
auditing
(note: this appears to have been early Dianetics self-help
practices, rather than Scientology religious practices as known
today)
1968- Send associates Peter Monk and Mike Maurer to attend various
training courses and report back their analysis of them
1969 April - resigns from Parents, moves with entire staff to The
Grolier Society
1969 June - Parents Magazine publishes "The Dangerous New Cult of
Scientology"
1970 Discovers Mind Dynamics course, demonstration and training in mental
techniques influenced by Silva Mind Control, Edgar Cayce,
Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, etc.
1971 Becomes guest introduction leader, and then course leader, for
Mind Dynamics
1971 Erhard has a "transformational experience"
1971 The est Training started

Sources: All dates from Werner Erhard by W. W. Bartley, out of print
To be expanded as further information can be located and
verified

Draft from a forthcoming web page on the various courses, philosophies and
personalities of the Human Potential and Consciousness movements.

Submissions of further data and analysis welcomed

(c) 1996, JP Cass JP_...@msn.com JPC...@aol.com

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