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Subject: Re: BELIEVE
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Cc:
In article <26...@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> you write:
>As the Red Sox celebrated their THRILLING victory over the
>White Sox last night to clinch the AL East pennant, Wade Boggs
>could be seen raising his hands to the crowd, and cameras,
>shouting BELIEVE!, BELIEVE ...
>
>This team is peaking at the right time, unlike the 1988 squad.
>Reardon has been a pleasent suprise, Clemens appears to be back,
>Brunansky has been awesome at the plate and in the field.
>
>They're underdogs, but they play with heart.
>
>Ain't gonna be no sweep this year Oakland.
>
>Any believers out there?
Yeah I am a believer. I believe Oakland will crush Boston.
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There is always time to do it over
scott conrad
Here is a list of things that pissed me off during the Reds/Pirates
game last night:
1. Tim McCarver said that game three was 6-4 then corrected himself to
5-3. (*wrong* The score was 6-3. Come on, Tim, its not like the game was
more than 24 hours ago when you boned up)
2. Jack Buck called outs before the umpires. This was especially irritating
when Hatcher threw someone out at the plate and the ump did not make his
call until two or three seconds after. Jack, it ain't out 'til the umps
say so.
3. The scoring summaries don't tell how every run scored. Later in the
game, they start writing "Sabo's homerun put the Reds up 4-2." CBS, if
you must summarize the scores every other inning, tell all of the scores.
4. Jack Buck's Pirate bias is just a little noticeable.
5. Jack Buck calling base hits/errors before the official scorer.
6. In bottom of the 7th, the camera showed some fans waving Reds pennants
and Jack followed that with "They are trying to get their Pirates started."
It sounded a lot like he was referring to these specific fans.
7. CBS went to commericial after Bell's homer without telling us why. Then
they came back on and spent time showing us Rijo and Bell on their respective
benches instead of mentioning who the next pitcher was.
Oh well, I may be being a little picky here, but it seems to me NBC did a
better job and I hope Major League Baseball takes this into consideration
the next time the tv contract comes up.
On a different note, who is the nineth Reds pitcher?
I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
and Chararlton
s conrad
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>On a different note, who is the nineth Reds pitcher?
> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>and Chararlton
>
he was off the DL. Although I'm not positive he made the postseason
squad.
David M Tate
Actually, it's a Cardinals bias that shows up due to the presence of
Van Slyke and LaValliere on the Prats, with no comparable influence on
the Reds. Similarly, Tim McCarver's Mets bias shows up as a Reds bias,
thanks to Randy Myers (and perhaps the Eric Davis/Daryl Strawberry connection).
At least, that's my guess...
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Marc Sabatella
>5-3. (*wrong* The score was 6-3. Come on, Tim, its not like the game was
>more than 24 hours ago when you boned up)
I noticed this, but it didn't bother me much. On the other hand...
>2. Jack Buck called outs before the umpires. This was especially irritating
>when Hatcher threw someone out at the plate and the ump did not make his
>call until two or three seconds after. Jack, it ain't out 'til the umps
>say so.
I'm about ready to strangle Jack over this. Pop up to shallow right, fielders
scrambling wildy to find the ball, Jack says "pop fly, caught, and the inning
is over" before the fielders have even decided who's going to play it!
Marc
Mike Heath
>
>Here is a list of things that pissed me off during the Reds/Pirates
>game last night:
McCarver was driving me wild in the ninth with his Pinella tirade and then
refused to eat crow when the graphic came up that Reed was hitting .360 (9/25)
against left-handers.
>On a different note, who is the nineth Reds pitcher?
> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>and Chararlton
Complete NL Playoff Rosters:
REDS: Position Players Pitchers
---------------- ---------
#Bates Armstrong
#Benzinger *Browning
Braggs *Charlton
Davis Dibble
Duncan *Jackson
Hatcher Mahler
Larkin *Myers
Lee Rijo
*Morris Scudder
#Oester
Oliver
*O'Neill
#Quinones
*Reed
Sabo
*Winningham
PIRATES:
#Backman Belinda
Bell Drabek
Belliard *Heaton
*Bonds *Kipper
#Bonilla Landrum
*Bream *Patterson
*LaValliere Power
Lind *Smiley
Martinez *Smith
Redus *Tomlin
#Reynolds Walk
King
Slaught
*Van Slyke
Notes: * lefthanded (hitter/pitcher)
# switch hitter
Randall Rhea
1. Joe Garagiola
2. Jack Buck
How these guys, especially #1, got to where they are is beyond me. They
seem to know so little about the game, which is surprising, since they've
been around it for so long. There is no point to even having a play-by-play
guy for TV unless he tells me something I don't already know. I'm not
a "big expert" on baseball, so if the announcer never says anything that's
new to me, something is really wrong.
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Ken Ford
Hear, Hear
Hear, Hear!!
> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>and Chararlton
Jack Armstrong
...So long and thanks for all the fish.
"The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy"
Garry Moorer
Reply-To: aga...@athena.mit.edu (Garry Moorer)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 23:59:21 GMT
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The real reason the bucs failed to sell out is very complicated. But the most
important factor is PRICES! Fans in Pittsburgh (which isn't a by large bourgeios
city) arent used to paying 8-10 times the price of regular season tickets for
playoff tickets. If you think the attendance was bad, just think what it would
have been if all those accursed reds fans hadn't showed up. Don't forget how
close cinci is to Pittsburgh. There was also the impending threat of rain almost
everyday at Three Rivers. And in case you didn't know, there are only about
350,000 people in Pittsburgh. Compare that to the populations of other cities;
take the ratio of park attendance to population, and get back to me on the
result. We still drew 2 million, and it seemed like it was gonna rain almost
every day this summer. Look at all the double-headers we ended up having to play.
But like I said, the main factor is the prices. If you were used to paying four
dollars, or even $1 on buc nite, you sure as hell aren't gonna pay 25-40 just like
that. And if you are observant, and know anything about 3 Rivers, you'd see
that the seats I'm just talked about are the ones not being filled.
The simple fact that the subject "Steel City Attendace" was used as a title just
goes to show how much you know about Pittsburgh. Don't open your mouth if you
don't know what you're talkin' about.
This wasn't intended as the first strike in a Flamewar. Now I'm on my way to
check out game 6.
LET'S GO BUCS! LET'S GO BUCS! LET'S GO BUCS!
Eugene Wallingford
umpires do, Marc Sabatella writes:
>I'm about ready to strangle Jack over this. Pop up to shallow right, fielders
>scrambling wildy to find the ball, Jack says "pop fly, caught, and the inning
>is over" before the fielders have even decided who's going to play it!
And, if you were listening closely in the ninth inning of game five,
as soon as Reed his grounder to the left of Bonilla, Jack proclaimed
"The game is tied!" -- only to immediately swallow those words when
Bobby made the play to second (after which, getting the slow-footed
Reed was but a formality). My mind reacted to the comment so quickly
that it only heightened my disappointment when Bream closed off the
DP at first....
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Kevin Treu
>game last night:
>
>
Funny. On the way to Wednesday's game my brother (both of us are Bucco fans)
included in a criticism of Buck that he was obviously biased in favor of the
Reds. I also heard another fan complain of this. Now I read the above.
Personally, I didn't detect any bias at all in the games I watched on TV.
It's my observation that die-hard fans typically find the announcers to
be biased in favor of the other team -- it gives them something to bitch
about! I've really found only one national announcer to be noticably biased.
In his first few years of broadcasting, Bob Trumpy was unbelievable in his
Bengals bias. I think he's gotten better since then, though.
Kevin Treu University of Virginia
k...@cs.virginia.edu Department of Computer Science
Pittsburgh Pirates: 1990 NL East Champs! Pirates 2 -- Reds 3; Not over yet!
Dave Donat
>> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>>and Chararlton
>
>Jack Armstrong
>
Isn't Layana the answer here?
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Ken Ford
>In article <1990Oct12....@egsner.cirr.com> k...@egsner.cirr.com (Ken Ford) writes:
>>> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>>>and Chararlton
>>
>>Jack Armstrong
>>
>
>Isn't Layana the answer here?
NO!!!
Randy Peppler
>>> I knowf Rijo, Browning, Jackson, Meyers, Dibble, Mahler, Scudder,
>>>and Chararlton
>>
>>Jack Armstrong
>>
>
>Isn't Layana the answer here?
Why isn't Layana eligible to participate in the postseason?
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>
> Why isn't Layana eligible to participate in the postseason?
I believe Armstrong was on the DL on Aug 31, so Pinella essentially had
10 pitchers to choose from for 9 spots, Layana was the (un)chosen one.
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Steven M. Goldman
>350,000 people in Pittsburgh. Compare that to the populations of other cities;
>take the ratio of park attendance to population, and get back to me on the
>result. We still drew 2 million, and it seemed like it was gonna rain almost
least according to a 1985 U.S. Bureau of the Census estimate. This
made it the 15th largest metropolitan area in the country by
population. Therefore, population is not a valid argument for why
attendance is not as high as one might expect.
BTW, seems to me that even if the population issue were a valid
argument for why the attendance was down, this would be self-
defeating, as this is not an attractive argument for keeping
the team in Pittsburgh. Put another way, attendance per
capita is not a measure that should contribute to the
decision to keep a team in a given city; attendance is.
However, I don't think the Pirates should be moved.
(Don't want to get people mad at me for something I
didn't mean.)