Having a Few Problems
Rorschach
> So now I sit here and cannot sleep because every time I try I see the whole
> horrifying event played out before my eyes and get to think "what if" each
> time.
While you yet live, there is yet hope.
There is nothing more that I can say and there is no way to get across how
I feel or how much I would like to help. : (
*HUG*
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David R. Fox
from the budget to the maintenance of the oil pumps scattered across the
acreage. One piece of work completed before I left for Florida was the tax
forms for the ranch and the projections of operating fuinds for this fiscal
year. Operating funds fell short of annual costs by $20,000, by Monday my
estimates were beginning to approach $40,000 in debt from the work necessary to
bring some pumps into line with EPA regulations, the reinforcement of a levee
that had never been constructed properly, and the purchase of a new water
pumping system to replace the old one that I routinely had to devise a fix for
as it received much work and no maintenance over the years (it was designed by
my grandfather back in the 1960s and after he died no one really knew where the
drawings or manuals, if any, were). My uncle used his own projections and his
own solution to convince my grandmother to place him in control of budget and
operations. He immediately sold 1/3 of the ranch to a nearby rancher, he also
has managed to piss off the small oil cooperative that helps buffer the cost of
some of the equipment necessary to run the systems and as a result the members
dissolved the cooperative as that was the only way to keep my uncle out of it.
My debt projections easily now approach the 65-75 thousand dollar range at the
end of 2003. Truth is that he wanted me out because the ranch is worth more as
real estate. See the forest for the trees, the trees carefully landscaped into
a small suburban development project.
So it was today (being Tuesday) that I decided to say I was sick, skip school,
and say good bye to my ranch before it became the next "Fox Hollow." While in
the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men who wouldn't let me
see their faces, and held me there with a rifle against my head. They had used
non-lethal traps (golf courses around here have been using them since I, and a
few other members, voiced their objections to other methods once employed) to
capture my foxes. They then forced me to watch as the killed each one with
either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
unharmed, but with a possibly mortal emotional wound. I never once saw their
faces, I do not know who they are, there is no evidence, I will not contact the
police for fear of my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have,
successfully.
So now I sit here and cannot sleep because every time I try I see the whole
horrifying event played out before my eyes and get to think "what if" each
time.
Thank you for listening,
David Robert Fox
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Rust
what to say. I can't bear to see such waste of innocent life, and vile
scum like that win. May they burn in Hell, for all eternity.
May the spirits of foxes hunt their dreams. May the justice of Man
stalk their waking hours. And when they die, may the Earth cast away
the filth of their bones.
Tell the media. Tell everyone.
-Rust
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T.F. Baxxter
Wish I could hunt down those bastards for you, but the fact is that I'm
living in Norway and don't even know where you can get a gun around here
(very strict policie on weapons here in Norway, which is a very good thing -
"guns don't kill people, people kill people", then it isn't too smart to
give people guns, now is it?). *growls* Filthy hyoomans.
I only wish I could be a better friend.
T.F. Baxxter - Far North Fox
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Allen Kitchen
"David R. Fox" wrote:
> So it was today (being Tuesday) that I decided to say I was sick, skip school,
> and say good bye to my ranch before it became the next "Fox Hollow." While in
> the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men who wouldn't let me
> see their faces,
My god! Have you told the sherrif? The other ranchers nearby? Did you
recognize their voices as those from the previous group of poachers?
Compile a list of suspects, including: locals who would hate foxes (chicken
ranchers), friends of those jailed, extremists in the anti-environment
groups, etc.
If possible, I'd suggest you read up on small group tactics and guerilla
warfare. Sounds like someone has declared war on you, and you'll have to
take a "take no prisoners" response. Just remember that it is YOUR land and
YOUR life and YOUR wildlife being threatened.
I'd cover your back if I lived anywhere near there. Really I would.
Sorry to hear about all the problems David. Keep us informed.
Painless369
>either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
>unharmed, but with a possibly mortal emotional wound.
I don't have any words, David, *HUGG* If there is anything I can do to help
you, let me know.
Painless Wolf
SnapEtiger
>either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
>faces, I do not know who they are, there is no evidence, I will not contact
>the
>police for fear of my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have,
you ever seen a great big recessive gene tiger cry.... I have... I just
looked in the mirror..
that is the most terrible thing that I have EVER read. I'm sure that this
knot in my stomach will be here for a very long while.
of all of your troubles with your family over the love of your land, and the
love of animals... for this to happen, ........ It's very hard to type now...
so
(great big hug)
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nekobe
if i had the chance, i would have killed them, cutted their
bodies in pieces and buried them in the woods.
if i was you, i should go to the police , and keep an eye on the place in
silence.
if you find out they come back regularly, you can set nasty boobytraps.
and try to find contact with those extreme animal right protectors like peta
and
alf (animal liberation front) they know well how to handle it.
try to find the anarchist cookbook , and those drawings of vietcong traps i
saw
once on the net.(i can send you the cookbook, have it somewhere)
i personally would never rest until they are all 6 feet under .
i would have a very great joy in beating up their faces with a sledgehammer.
i hope you will feel better, i know how such things can feel, i have my
own experiences. speak a vendetta on those guys!
poor foxes, what a tragedy.
nekobe
nekobe
if i ever had the chance to get these guys i would personally
castrate them with a chainsaw!
i was thinking about this, and i say there's only one answer on this:
war!
use every possible way , legal and illegal. to wipe their asses.
try to find out if they come in that area regularly, and if so, where
exactly.
spot their traps and connect boobytraps to them.
i can give you drawings and schematics of how to build time mechanisms ,
landmines
and other nasty things.
try to find other people who are willing to help, spy the neighbourhood with
a videocamera,
and if you know for sure who did it, blow up the whole place.
i once had such a situation.i cannot speak free on the net , but be sure i
got them hard.
this is something which goes directly against humanity !
i call by this the right to declare war at every poacher !
do not rest until everyone of them is killed and lies 6 feet under !
if the police is not helping, take the right in your own hands!!!!
good luck soldier!
nekobe
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ordeal that you were forced to endure. I wish I knew how to make things
better for you, but alas, I do not know how. I do want you to know
however that you are in my thoughts and prayers.
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I can't really say anything sensible. I just feel so
very very sorry. There is something horribly wrong
in this world.
*BIG HUG*
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David R. Fox
It is that no longer, it is, for all intents and purposes, my uncle's land.
>YOUR life
Maybe.
>YOUR wildlife being threatened.
My uncle's wildlife, it is no longer mine. Blood and sweat and tears are as
worthless as water on the ocean when placed against larger financial interests.
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Lionkingcmsl
David,
I'm sorry to hear of the anguish that you had to bear/witness.
I talked to a friend of mine, who happens to be a police chief, about
your *problem*. He said by all means go to the local police.
He and I have some questions about the incident:
1. Did you tell any one that your were headed into the woods, or did
you up and go?
2. Did it look like you happen upon their *place* or did it look like
they were waiting for you?
3. How well is it known that you had something to do with the
implemetation of the humane traps?
4. How many and who knows that you *connect* with foxes.
5. How did they stop you from seeing their faces? Did they use masks
or just blocked your line of sight?
6. Did they call to each other by name or nickname?
7. How did the leave the area? Did you hear a motor start? If you did
was it a diesel or gas engine (being you work on a ranch, you should
be able to tell them apart and maybe the realtive size of the engine)?
8. Were the weapons used unusal in any way? Distictive handle on the
knife or machete?
Write down everything you can remember from the incident, no matter
how small it may seem. These *people* (and I use the term loosely
here) may *brag* about what they did, after they have got a few
*belts* in them. Please David, for your own safety, go to the police
and tell them what you know. These thugs are guilty of assualt and
terroristic threats against you.
I disagree with Nekobe. Do not fight violence with violence. Do not
lower yourself to their level. Use every LEGAL means to have these
thugs put away, but don't do something you may regret later.
I do not normally wish ill will on anyone, but here I will make an
exception. I wish, nay pray, that these thugs, these low life scum,
see those foxes' faces in their sleep and in every reflection they
come across. When they look into a mirror, I pray they see those foxes
staring back at them. I pray that they never get a *good night's
sleep* because those foxes inhabit every dream they have and they wake
up screaming in the middle of the night.
Be well, my fur friend.
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Allen Kitchen
"David R. Fox" wrote:
>
> My uncle's wildlife, it is no longer mine. Blood and sweat and tears are as
> worthless as water on the ocean when placed against larger financial interests.
Well, I'm thinking about and worrying about you then, good fox. You put
up the good fight, and I, for one, regard you in high honor.
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Skytech
He doesn't live at the ranch. He and his parents a a ways from there. It
seems he put in time and effort for the family and this is how he's repayed.
As I said to him on ICQ, with the foxes gone, it might be time to walk away
from this worstening situation. It seems nesessary to stop those nutcases
but endangering oneself could be worst.
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Skytech
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Skytech
>
> Firstly, don't be certain that there is no evidence. They walked
> throgh the woods. Did they leave bootprints? What size? What type of
> boot? Can the tracks lead somewhere? Did other evidence get left
> behind along the way. I don't know what the cops are like where you
> live, but here having someone threaten to kill you would be enough
> cause for the police to get the forensic people involved.
It's often amazing what the policw find that we would miss. These two seemed
to have gone for a record of felony offences. I don't see how the law could
ignore it?
I take it the family is no help?
I still remember a large group of kids, lead by some town bullies, decides
to get 'rowdy' one Mischief Night. They finally stopped at my grandparents
house, pounded on the dorr and walls and pushed my grandmother back in the
house when she opened the door! We recieved a call from my grandfather (we
lived on adjacent properties). My father called the authorities and
personally when out and faced a gang of a couple dozen kids down and away!
The police had a field day and not a few must have been sorry! I was a proud
kid that evening! Made me realize what needs to be done.
Sometimes you and family need to take the reigns and do something.
Skytech
>
> i call by this the right to declare war at every poacher !
> do not rest until everyone of them is killed and lies 6 feet under !
> if the police is not helping, take the right in your own hands!!!!
> good luck soldier!
>
I am a big fan of all those vigilante movies. I love seeing the bad guys get
theirs. The I walk out of the theater or turn off the tv and face reality
again.
nekobe, I must make it clear that your ideas are simply *wrong*! I hope you
were joking or blowing off steam at the horrific situation but don't
advocate such vileness yourself.
Dave, let the police handle this. With the number of committed felonies,
these two could be hurt far worst by the law. If you fear for your life then
go away! Don't become a criminal yourself!
Nebulous
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> So now I sit here and cannot sleep because every time I try I see the
whole
> horrifying event played out before my eyes and get to think "what if"
each
> time.
>
think about it. I offer you any comfort that I can give.
I do not understand how anyone could do such a thing. I understand that it
happens, I can understand the reasons that some give for doing such things,
but *how* they can actually do it escapes me.
Is it something that I lack that causes my bafflement? Or is it something
that they lack that allows them to do it?
I pray for the release of your pain.
I pray for their souls at the End Times: Justice can be a Bitch.
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Kamau
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>While in
>the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men who wouldn't let
me
used
>non-lethal traps (golf courses around here have been using them since I,
and a
>few other members, voiced their objections to other methods once employed)
to
>either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
>unharmed, but with a possibly mortal emotional wound. I never once saw
their
>faces, I do not know who they are, there is no evidence, I will not contact
the
>police for fear of my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have,
>
My anger at this even is so great I had to walk away from the computer
before I could come back and type a response. It is a good thing I am away
at training in a place where I can go into the wood and vent some anger at
dead trees.
First *Hugs, big Hugs*. You've just gone through one of the worst things
that can happen to a person and even worst to a fur. To be held hostage and
forced to see such a senseless murder of something you love is unspeakable.
I know you said you fear going to the police but you need to go to someone.
If there is someone, anyone who you can tell this to and who can perhaps
help you do so.
One question that comes to my mind is how they knew you would be in the wood
and take you as they did? Is there anyone you can think of that would know
when you would be going out for such a walk and tip off such people that you
were alone. If you can find this out perhaps you can find a way to turn the
tables on their actions or get some assistance in finding them.
I wish I could be there by your side at this time but that is not possible.
Know I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers with hopes that somehow
things will work out for you.
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Rust
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> ....................
>
> I am shocked beyond words..I can't even fathom *why* anyone would ever do something so
> painful and cruel..I just can't.
This goes beyond evil. Evil serves a purpose. This is mindless,
heartless, senseless waste of life... propagation of suffering... this
is what I think of as Entropy, the enemy of Creation.
It's an enemy I feel a strong need to fight. I wish I had been there.
I failed the world again.
David, if you can find the courage, put these black-hearted cretins away
for the rest of their lives. There has to be something resembling
justice, somewhere in the world.
Rust
I run the risk of you doing something extreme... you and I are much
alike, save that you tend to carry through rather than abort.
It is your choice, but I think you should consider the "innocent until
proven guilty" thing. There was one thing in your story that glared at
me. They wanted you to know who it was.
Some time ago, you said that you'd left a machete embedded in a
rancher's front door. This massacre was carried out, in part, with a
machete. Machetes are not a typical weapon in North America, to the
best of my knowledge. I can't help but feel that the machete itself was
a message.
I strongly suggest that you take this to the police. Yes, you've done
some stuff that may end you up in hot water, but you have a chance to
fight here.
BillCat
Lionkingcmsl wrote in message <38d93fbd....@news.fur.com>...
>On 22 Mar 2000 05:56:21 GMT, kitki...@cs.com (David R. Fox) wrote:
Now that the violent thoughts have passed, I feel capable of responding...
>Write down everything you can remember from the incident, no matter
>how small it may seem.
Do so today, right now! It doesn't matter how good or poor your memory
might be - the sooner you write it out the better. Set aside a few hours to
do it. Every last detail - even insignificant ones like which way the wind
was blowing, the spider you saw, everything. Not that the random spider is
important, but there could be things you noticed that you thought were
insignificant, but which a trained investigator would find significant. The
purpose for bothering to do all of this is two-fold: 1) if you ever need to
address the incident in court (which could be months or years away) your
future-self's memory of the event will not be questioned 2) if the absolute
worst should happen, your notes will give the police some leads to follow.
Toward the ends of both those purposes, copy what you've written and mail it
(hard copy, snail mail) to a few friends/aquaintenances/attornies so that
someone else somewhere else has that document.
Love,
BillCat
who has never experienced anything _that_ nasty, but has had to deal with
tresspassers, arsonists, and gross negligence
Camstone Fox
22 Mar 2000 05:56:21 GMT, to the commitee on alt.lifestyle.furry :
>Thank you for listening,
David and I have been talking about this alot lately on ICQ. He is
certainly upset and has every right to be. David is one smart cookie,
and need us furs to help encourage him to not stop trying new things,
and not feel depressed... not that he doesn't have cause to be.
David is also at a point where he needs some guidance about careers
and colleges, so if any of you furs can spare the time, I know he's a
good fox, and will make a mark in the world. A good one... and I don't
say that about many people... or furs.
Oh, and David, Kamau said he will call on you when he gets out from
training over the weekend... he has read your post and wants to try
and help too.
Camstone Fox
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dated Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:05:10 -0500, to the commitee on
alt.lifestyle.furry :
>As I said to him on ICQ, with the foxes gone, it might be time to walk away
>from this worstening situation. It seems nesessary to stop those nutcases
>but endangering oneself could be worst.
Good advice Sky... I'm not one to walk away from these sort of things
either.. but when a rifle is put to your head... the quote "A smart
man lives to fight another day" comes to mind.
I told him that if he was dead right now, no other foxes could ever be
saved by him... this way he at least has a chance at saving others.
Maybe not today, maybe not next week, and maybe not next year... but
at some point he can... if he wants to.
Kamau
>
>David,
>I'm sorry to hear of the anguish that you had to bear/witness.
>
>I talked to a friend of mine, who happens to be a police chief, about
>your *problem*. He said by all means go to the local police.
>
>He and I have some questions about the incident:
Yup I'm putting in yet more response. Lionkingcmsl has just given you a
very good plan of action. Follow it and with any luck you'll be seeing
these men behind bars.
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Kamau(with more then 900 posts to read)
Kamau
Sky you took the words right out of my mouth. As much as someone might want
to do the above mentioned things it's just not right to do. As you might
have seen from my first response to these events I had to 'decompress' just
to be able to type. At the moment I finished reading David's problem I
could have said much the same things nekobe did but years of experience in
dealing with anger has taught me to divert the energy and then return to the
problem for a better solution. As a result there are several dead trees
here that now have fewer limbs and some of those limbs are small enough for
fire would with no further work. While I am sore and the wood broken no
living thing has been harmed and my anger is now at a level where I can talk
reasonably about this.
What I see needing to be done is to gather as much support as you can from
family and friends but not to make a counter attack. Instead us this
support to cover your back while you go to the authorities and allow them to
do what needs to be done. Perhaps it would be best if you do not even go
near the site of this crime until you are in the company of a police
officer. If they can be made to believe even a small portion of what has
happen then they will pull out all the stops to find these men. Be on your
guard but let the law deal with the punishment of these sick people.
*Hugs*
Zero WhiteFur
I am shocked beyond words..I can't even fathom *why* anyone would ever do something so
painful and cruel..I just can't.
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"I was blinded by a paradise; Utopia, high in the sky.. A dream that only
drowned me, deep in sorrow, wondering why.." -Dream Theater "A Change of
Seasons"
Red Jack
> So it was today (being Tuesday) that I decided to say I was sick, skip
> school, and say good bye to my ranch before it became the next "Fox
> Hollow." While in the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men
> who wouldn't let me see their faces, and held me there with a rifle
> against my head. They had used non-lethal traps (golf courses around here
> have been using them since I, and a few other members, voiced their
> objections to other methods once employed) to capture my foxes. They then
> forced me to watch as the killed each one with either a shotgun, knife, or
> machete. They then left me there, physically unharmed, but with a possibly
> mortal emotional wound. I never once saw their faces, I do not know who
> they are, there is no evidence, I will not contact the police for fear of
> my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have, successfully.
OK, my advice is not likely to be welcome, hell, I won't even call it
advice, call it what I'd do in your shoes. Two things to keep in mind, I
believe in the bigger hammer rule, and I'll happily die for something I
love/believe in, so you can guess where this is going. Aside from trying
to find the bastards, I'd be spending my spare time patrolling the
property well armed, with a shoot once to warn, and the second time to
kill rule in place. Not something the local police would like, but not
that I'd give a shit about that. And on the subject of the police, I
would report what happened to them, you might also look into help from
animal rights organizations, especially some of the more extreme ones,
they would probably be able to offer plenty of help. Thats the most I
can offer, from a distance, which is as close as I can get right now, in
a month, if you need it, I can juggle things, and offer to be there to
help, about a long days drive'll get me there.
>
> So now I sit here and cannot sleep because every time I try I see the whole
> horrifying event played out before my eyes and get to think "what if" each
> time.
Take care of yourself, and that offer is a serious one, you just have to
ask.
>
> Thank you for listening,
> David Robert Fox
>
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Career? Heh, He's going to be an Architect (no matter how much I try to
pursuade him otherwise* <vbg>).
Some pointers on Architectural Schools out his way would be good though.
Anyone know of an office who needs an intern for the summer?
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thing...this is a hateful gross atrocity against all that is good and decent
in the world..I don't care who you ask..this is torture and a blasphemy
agaisnt nature and the Gods<God for you christian furs>
them<him>self....something needs to be done about this...how can we continue
to believe that mercy and goodness exists when things like this happen and
the offenders go unpunished..."the only thing that is needed for evil to
perpetuate itself is for good men to do nothing"
David..you are a good man..and you MUST do something...I think we ALL should
do something...even if it is emailing en masse to peta or the alf
<liberation front> this sort of thing should be brought to hte media's
attention..we furs of good concience have every right for our screams of
outrage to be heard...we CANNOT allow this sort of thing to go on...so long
as this goes without being heard...then it will repeat..again and
again...perhaps not foxes..but bears..or felines...it already happens with
wolves...to be a fur is in a way to pay homage to the beauty and grace of
the phenotype we touch....it is a sacrament in a world that knows few
miracles...it is the savage beauty that we MUST preserve for our world to be
complete...the animals..all of them are our brothers and sisters..even if we
must kill to eat..we at least do so with love and respect....this isn't a
hunting for food...this is murder for spite...and I say that I myself pray
to the kindly gods to curse them to see every whisker of my helpless
brothers and sisters in their dreams for eternity...may they hear the yips
of pain forever in their ears and may they one day feel their own injustice
haunt them. This is our wake up call and we NEED to heed it..no matter what
we do..we MUST not do nothing..this outraged us all...and we all suffer from
it...my heart broke to read this story...just like every heart here....be it
ursine..vulpine..otter..feline...canid...all of us feel this pain...this
leaves a gaping wound that begs to be explained..that crys out to the
heavens like <forgive the biblical reference> Cain's slaying of his
brother....these men have killed their brothers and sisters...what will we
do about it?...what can we do?..surely so many of us together are not
powerless...but the world should know..must know..David..I urge you..those
were your children..yoru brothers and sisters...I know you would have died
to protect them....go to the police..raise an outcry...let your screams of
agony echo to the heavens and let the dieties of the universe take
notice....this cannot go unpunished....it must not....not if there is to be
any justice or mercy in the world.....
thank you for allowing my ranting to continue for so long...and I know I am
an idealist..but perhaps..perhaps..something can be done..and if my words
have roused one fur to make a difference..then my words were not in vain....
my love and bright blessings to you all
Goddess Bless
Eldar
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Eldar Drakeson
ICQ# 25285472
A dragon's passions in a feline's body
nekobe
i had similar experiences like this in the past, and i went to the police
and they
just laughed in my face and told me to keep my mouth shut.
somehow they must have been involved it it.
second: yes, i say take the right in your own hands, but AFTER you went to
the police
and you see nothing is done. in that case, you MUST stop this needless
killings.
i might sound extreme, yes, but i can get very shocked and angry when i hear
about
such things happening (and a lot of other furs too i guess.)
i'm not a criminal, but i think we have all the right to protect what we
love.
and about saying i can easy run away, if i lived nearby, i would IMMEDIATLY
helped you, and all and everyone with similar problems.
unfortunately, i live in belgium, cannot help it, wished i could do
something.
i can only wish you all the hope and luck you can get. feel really sorry i
cannot do more.
so i lift my paw to you and say:
GOOD LUCK TO YOU FELLOW!
all the best wishes you:
a lonely lion in a cold country.
nekobe
Skipai da Otter (aka: Blueberry)
news:20000322005621...@ng-fs1.news.cs.com...
> So it was today (being Tuesday) that I decided to say I was sick, skip
school,
> and say good bye to my ranch before it became the next "Fox Hollow." While
in
> the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men who wouldn't let
me
> see their faces, and held me there with a rifle against my head. They had
used
> non-lethal traps (golf courses around here have been using them since I,
and a
> few other members, voiced their objections to other methods once employed)
to
> capture my foxes. They then forced me to watch as the killed each one with
> either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
> unharmed, but with a possibly mortal emotional wound. I never once saw
their
> faces, I do not know who they are, there is no evidence, I will not
contact the
> police for fear of my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have,
> successfully.
*Frowns* My god.... I thought Humankind was in trouble but that is
just..... Just..... Sorry but the words I want to say would not be
appropriate at all. I am sorry for not replying to this for such a long
time but the replies I had written were very extreme and I am still wwanting
to get at these types of scum, rip 'em to bits and see how they like it.
My deepest and uttermost support if you need it and it's freely available.
*Goes off to find something hard to smash in, like a door...*
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ICQ #25078250
> So now I sit here and cannot sleep because every time I try I see the
whole
> horrifying event played out before my eyes and get to think "what if" each
> time.
>
> Thank you for listening,
> David Robert Fox
>
> --------------------------
> "Doctors can bury their mistakes, Architects can only advise their clients
> to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
>
> I now have ICQ as well! am #62603307
David R. Fox
>He doesn't live at the ranch. He and his parents a a ways from there. It
>seems he put in time and effort for the family and this is how he's repayed.
You are correct. I never received a single cent.... only this.
David Rober Fox
David R. Fox
>i was thinking about this, and i say there's only one answer on this:
>war!
A state of war is the dissolution of nearly all moral obligations, I have no
power to dissolve moral obligations, thus I shall not risk what shred of
morality I have left on such an act.
>i can give you drawings and schematics of how to build time mechanisms ,
>landmines
>and other nasty things.
I do not require any further such schematics. I have my own timers, they shall
not be bent to such a distasteful purpose. Landmines are just as deangerous to
me, people with a right to be there, and anyone else as they are to the party
for which they are intended.
>and if you know for sure who did it, blow up the whole place.
That would put innocent parties (if there can be said to be any) at risk, which
is inexcusable.
David Robert Fox
David R. Fox
>What I see needing to be done is to gather as much support as you can from
>family and friends but not to make a counter attack.
I have no support from my family, they betrayed me. I shall not drag people
into harm's way. I am yet responsible for enough suffering....
David Robert Fox
David R. Fox
>I talked to a friend of mine, who happens to be a police chief, about
>your *problem*. He said by all means go to the local police.
I cannot do that, I suspect the police, I suspect nearly everyone in the state.
David R. Fox
>Damn, I wish I could do something real for you.
I wish I could do something real for my foxes, my ranch, and lastly, leastly
myself.
David Robert Fox
David R. Fox
>There has to be something resembling
>justice, somewhere in the world.
There is no such thing. If there were, I would have had more than five hours
sleep since. I would not be haunted by this horrific event everytime I close my
eyes.
David Robert Fox
Perriloux
"David R. Fox" wrote :
> So it was today (being Tuesday) that I decided to say I was sick, skip
school,
> and say good bye to my ranch before it became the next "Fox Hollow." While
in
> the woods I was knocked to the ground by a couple of men who wouldn't let
me
> see their faces, and held me there with a rifle against my head. They had
used
> non-lethal traps (golf courses around here have been using them since I,
and a
> few other members, voiced their objections to other methods once employed)
to
> capture my foxes. They then forced me to watch as the killed each one with
> either a shotgun, knife, or machete. They then left me there, physically
> unharmed, but with a possibly mortal emotional wound. I never once saw
their
> faces, I do not know who they are, there is no evidence, I will not
contact the
> police for fear of my own safety. They knew how to hurt me, and they have,
> successfully.
Dave, I sit here in great sadness for you and the foxes. Please do
talk to privately to a lawer or counselor. Good luck to you !
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Skytech
>
> I have no support from my family, they betrayed me. I shall not drag
people
> into harm's way. I am yet responsible for enough suffering....
>
Then it is settled. You owe them nothing and leaving is in everyone's
(especially your) best interest. Consiter it a new lease on life. Start new
and fresh. It could also help to ease any family stress and create better
relations in the future.