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Ed Kadach

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THE HOFFMAN WIRE
Oct. 28, 1999
Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
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International Jewish Hate Group Exposed

Editor's Note: I received the following from a man ("Michael
Samuel") claiming to be a former professor of Judaic studies in
Montreal, Canada, where he is allegedly protesting the
government's plan to give $800,000 to the hate group known as the
Lubavitch Hasidim.

The quotes "Michael Samuel" provides from the key Lubavitch text,
"Tanya" are genuine. ["Tanya" was compiled by the founder of the
"Habad" (Lubavitch) movement--Rabbi Schneur Zalman, b.1745;
d.1813].

"Samuel" errs however, when he implies that the Lubavitch do not
represent "authentic Judaism." He claims they only "masquerade"
as such. But other than the fact that the Lubavitchers worship a
deceased mountebank--Rabbi Menachem Schneerson--as their Messiah
(President Reagan permanently established Schneerson's birthday
as "Education Day, USA"), the main body of teachings of the
Lubavitch are entirely consonant with the core theology of
orthodox Judaism, as dictated by the Talmud, the supreme holy
book(s) of orthodox Judaism.

For more on this subject consult our study of the Talmud--"The
Truth About the Talmud":
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

From: michael samuel <mic...@total.net>
Resent-To: hof...@hoffman-info.com;
Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999

I am a former professor of Judaic studies in Concordia Univ.,
Montreal, Canada. I am desperately seeking support in my
campaign
against Jewish racism.

The Criminal Code of Canada [subsection 281.2(2)] identifies
those
guilty of the "Willful Promotion of Hatred" as follows:

"every one who, by communicating statements, other than in
private
conversation, willfully promotes hatred against any identifiable
group is guilty of an indictable offense and is liable to
imprisonment for two years...etc."

However, in September 1998, Premier Lucien Bouchard of Quebec,
promised to help the Jewish sect of "Chabad-Lubavtich" build its
new religious center in Cote St. Luc, Montreal. His minister
responsible for Montreal, Robert Perreault, said that over
$800,000. will go to the sect from the "Fond de developpement de
la Metropole."

Yet this cult has brazenly published, disseminated, taught and
promoted the hatred of a great many "identifiable groups"
(Christians, Muslims, and all other non-Jews) by casting them as
subhuman and demonic.

In the quotations below, taken from their own literature and in
their own officially sanctioned English translation, the members
of Chabad-Lubavitch openly declare that Christians and Muslims
are all evil. Why? Because they are supposedly created and
sustained by the Satanic forces of the universe (called "kelipot"
or shells in their jargon).

I have a question for you: What would you do if a racist cult
tried to build its headquarters in your neighborhood? What if
the cult targeted specifically young people, teaching them that
all Christians and Muslims are:-

1. Evil, Satanic creatures from birth (making all Gentile babies
"little demons").

2. No better than worms.

3. Not really living beings at all, but already "dead."

4. All to be forcibly converted or subjugated by the "Messiah."

5. It is their sacred duty to hasten the arrival of this
"Messiah" in order to accomplish the forcible conversion or
subjugation of non-Jews as soon as possible.

These are just some of the racist teachings of the fanatical
messianic cult named "Chabad-Lubavitch." This cult, masquerading
as "authentic Judaism," has been promised nearly one million
dollars in funding by the government of Premier Lucien Bouchard
of Quebec in order to build its new religious and "outreach"
(missionary) complex in Cote St. Luc, Montreal.

Why should you care? Because Chabad-Lubavitch is not just our
problem, it may be yours as well. It is an extremely powerful,
worldwide organization. Its power has until now intimidated the
media, who are afraid to expose the evidence of racism produced
here to the public, lest they be accused of anti-semitism.

We desperately need your help in breaking this media blackout.

Chabad-Lubavitch preys on young people in search of religious
identity and meaning. It is aggressively missionizing and
spreading its religious bigotry around the globe, especially on
university campuses. Chances are, there is a Chabad-Lubavitch
presence in your city already.

Here are three typically racist passages taken from the basic
textbook of Chabad-Lubavitch called "Likute Amarim" or "Tanya."
It is one of the primary texts used in their indoctrination or
"outreach" programs.

Please note that I am using their own, officially sanctioned
English translation (published by their "Kehot Publication
Society" New York -- London, 1973).

In the very first chapter of this work, we read: "The souls of
the nations of the world (i.e. all Christians, Muslims,
Buddhists, etc.), however, emanate from the other, unclean
kelipot’ (evil forces) which contain no good whatever. (page 5).

Further on, we read: "However, the kelipot’ (evil forces) are
subdivided into two grades, one lower than the other. The lower
grade consists of the three kelipot’ which are altogether unclean
and evil, containing no good whatever...From them flow and derive
the souls of all the nations of the world (i.e. all Christians,
Muslims, etc.), and the existence of their bodies, and also the
souls of all living creatures that are unclean and unfit for
consumption." (chapter 6, page 25).

Thus, Chabad-Lubavitch lumps non-Jews together with pigs, snakes
and worms, and all other "creatures that are unclean and unfit
for
consumption."

The third passage leaves absolutely no doubt as to their racist
and religious bigotry:

"To elucidate still further, it is necessary to clarify the
meaning of the verse, 'The candle of God is the soul of
(neshamah) of man.' What it means is that the souls of Jews, who
are called 'man,' are, by way of illustration, like the flame of
the candle, whose nature it is always to scintillate
upwards...Now this is a general principle in the whole realm of
holiness...This stands in direct contrast to the so-called
kelipah’ (evil forces) and sitra achara’ (the other, evil side),
wherefrom are derived the souls of the Gentiles...Therefore they
(the Gentiles) are called dead..." (chapter 19, page 77 and 79).


This text makes it clear that for Chabad-Lubavitch, only Jews are
considered human (called man). They teach that non-Jews are
sub-human creatures who barely even qualify as living beings
(they are called dead).

If you would like to receive photocopies of these quotations
which are taken verbatim from the Chabad-Lubavitch textbook
(Hebrew original with their own official English translation),
please send me your mailing address.

If you would like to learn more about the hatred preached by
Chabad-Lubavitch via email, especially about the theoretical
(Kabbalistic) underpinnings of their "metaphysical racism" please
E-mail: mic...@total.net or write me at: Michael Samuel, 6867
Kildare Road, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H4W 1C1, Tel. (514)
485-4486.

If you feel strongly about this issue and wish to express your
concerns to the Mayor and city-counsellors of Cote St. Luc,
Montreal, Quebec, Canada, please write to them at:

Mayor Robert Libman and City-Counsellors of Cote St. Luc, Hôtel
de Ville 5801, boulevard Cavendish Côte Saint-Luc, Quebec, Canada
H4W 3C3. Telephone: (514) 485-6800

If you wish to register your protests with Rabbi M. Raskin, the
cult's local leader, you may contact: Rabbi M. Raskin,
Chabad-Lubavitch, 5579 Cavendish Blvd, Cote St. Luc, Montreal,
Quebec, Canada. Telephone (514) 486-5087, or at:Chabad House of
Downtown Montreal: 3429 Peel St., Montreal, Quebec, H3A 1W7
Canada, tel: (514) 288-3130, E-mail:
chabadhous...@chabadhouse.org or: in...@chabad.org

You may also address your concerns to Premier Lucien Bouchard at:
premier....@cex.gouv.qc.ca

Or through his Website at:
http://www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/introfu.htm

Or you can contact his minister responsible for Montreal, Robert
Perreault, at: cab...@mrci.gouv.qc.ca

Or write him at: Robert PERREAULT, Member for Mercier, Parti
québécois (Minister of Relations with the Citizens and
Immigration since December 15, 1998). Ministère des Relations
avec les citoyens et de l'Immigration, Édifice Marie-Guyart,1050,
rue Louis-Alexandre-Taschereau, Aile René-Lévesque, 3e étage
Québec (Québec) G1R 5E6, Phone : (418) 644-2128, Fax : (418)
528-0829

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RockyMtnCougar

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Hey, Eddie, how come you haven't followed up from the LAST time you
posted information from this "Michael Samuel"?

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=540420635&fmt=text

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In article <3811E5...@connect.ab.ca>, Ed Kadach
<edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
> (op_120) Ostara News Service 23.010.1999
Which means he got this from www.ostara.org. For folks not familiar
with it, this is a hate site in both German and English.

So much for the messenger...


> My name is Michael Samuel. I am a former professor in the Judaic
> studies department of Concordia University, Montreal, and I have a
> question for you:

No, Eddie, I've got a question for you. Was your Michael Samuel let go
from his PART-TIME position at Concordia because he couldn't write in
English to save his snuff box?

Yes, Concordia had a PART-TIME faculty member as of 1997 with the name
Michael Samuel, in religion. It's a bit hard to find any other evidence
that this one even exists.

The quality of the posted article, though, speaks volumes. Sentence
structure, grammar, research methodology, documentation...all the
earmarks of someone who doesn't know a damn thing about citation.

Considering the source of the article I'm thinking it highly likely
that Michael Samuel didn't write what Eddie posted. If he did it's easy
to see why he's no longer employed.

Not for his racism. Because he can't write clearly.

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Yale F.Edeiken

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Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
<381A44...@connect.ab.ca>...
> To: identity

> THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> Oct. 28, 1999
> Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> http://www.hoffman-info.com


The usual garbage deleted.

For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
consult:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/

--YFE

The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

Richard Phillips

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Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>
> Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
> <381A44...@connect.ab.ca>...
> > To: identity
>
> > THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> > Oct. 28, 1999
> > Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> > http://www.hoffman-info.com
>
> The usual garbage deleted.

=======================================================
Phillips

"Usual Garbage" indeed. I have observed many times that material YFE
prefers not to deal with has a way of ending up in Snipville.

=============================================================


>
> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
> consult:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>
> --YFE

=====================================================
Phillips

In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
yourself.

It seems that styles in escape hatches have changed.
Once upon a time, it was see my attorney; today, it's see my website.

===================================================

Yale F.Edeiken

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Richard Phillips -- the man without a country -- says:...


> Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
> >
> > Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
> > <381A44...@connect.ab.ca>...

> > > To: identity
> >
> > > THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> > > Oct. 28, 1999
> > > Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> > > http://www.hoffman-info.com
> >

> > The usual garbage deleted.

> "Usual Garbage" indeed.

Thank you for agreeing with me.


> > For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and
Judaism
> > consult:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/

> In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
> yourself.

Nope. Why should I do what someone else has done so well.



> It seems that styles in escape hatches have changed.
> Once upon a time, it was see my attorney; today, it's see my website.

Where each of the lies are demonstrated to be lies in detail.

But speaking escape hatches. When will the Man Without a Country answer
this:


1. When confronted with an act of treason against his country, Phillllips
attempted to justify that act and smear others.

2. Philllips openly advocates the violent destruction of his own country
as can be seen above.

When asked to repudiate those disloyal positions Philllips refused to do
and attempted to divert the discussion with what he now admits were cheap
debating tricks.

There can be only one conclusion -- Philllips is a traitor.

--YFE

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Yale F.Edeiken wrote:

> [...deletia...]

>> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
>> consult:
>> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>>

>> --YFE
>
>=====================================================
>Phillips


>
>In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
>yourself.

He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most
egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely. It's perfectly
legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his point.
That's more than you manage to do, Liar...

JGB

=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'

Richard Phillips

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
> >> consult:
> >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
> >>
> >> --YFE
> >
> >=====================================================
> >Phillips
> >
> >In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
> >yourself.
>
> He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most
> egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely.
======================================================
Philips

You mean James Madison, yes? Tell me just which anti-Semitic lies and
forgeries did Madison address?

=======================================================


It's perfectly
> legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his point.
> That's more than you manage to do, Liar...
>
> JGB

===============================================
Phillips

As I said: he is either incapable of dealing with it himself or
unwilling to make th attempt.

=========================================

Ed Kadach

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Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>
> Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
> <381A44...@connect.ab.ca>...
> > To: identity
>
> > THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> > Oct. 28, 1999
> > Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> > http://www.hoffman-info.com
>
> The usual garbage deleted.

>
> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
> consult:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>
> --YFE


Unfortunately the site you mention in no way refutes anything.
It's a site full of distortions and a misrepresentation of
the real facts concerning the filthy, disgusting Talmud.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

Ed Kadach

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> > studies department of Concordia University, Montreal, and I have a
> > question for you:
>
> No, Eddie, I've got a question for you. Was your Michael Samuel let go
> from his PART-TIME position at Concordia because he couldn't write in
> English to save his snuff box?
>
> Yes, Concordia had a PART-TIME faculty member as of 1997 with the name
> Michael Samuel, in religion. It's a bit hard to find any other
> evidence that this one even exists.


Try this one on for size.

Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach


"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
Extract of the 11th chapter.


If anything, you must learn [and are learning] to dislike and
fear the modern "assimilated" Jew more than you did the old Jew,
for he is more dangerous to you. At least the old Jew kept
apart from you, was easily recognizable as an individual, as the
bearer of the dreaded Jewish world-idea: you were afraid of him
and loathed him. But to a large extent he was insulated. But
as the Jew assimilates, acquires your languages, cultivates a
certain intimacy, penetrates into your life, begins to handle
your instruments, you are aware that his nature, once confined
safely to his own life, now threatens yours. You are aware of a
new and more than disconcerting character at work in the world
you have built and are building up, a character which crosses
your intentions and thwarts your personality.

The Jew, whose lack of contact with your world had made him
ineffective, becomes effective. The vial is uncorked, the
genius is out. His enmity to your way of life was tacit before.
Today it is manifest and active. He cannot help himself: he
cannot be different from himself: no more can you. It is futile
to tell him: "Hands Off!" He is not his own master, but the
servant of his life-will.

We Jews are accused of being destroyers: whatever you put up, we
tear down. It is true only is a relative sense. We are not
iconoclasts deliberately: we are not enemies of your
institutions simply because of the dislike between us. We are a
homeless mass seeking satisfaction for our constructive
instincts. And in your institutions we cannot find
satisfaction; they are the play institutions of the splendid
children of man - and not of man himself. We try to adapt your
institutions to our needs, because while we live we must have
expression; and trying to rebuild them for our needs, we unbuild
them for yours.

Dislike of the Jews in business springs from the feeling that we
regard all your play-conventions with amusement - or even
contempt. Our abominable seriousness breaks jarringly into your
life-mood. But you feel our disruptive difference most keenly,
most resentfully, in our deliberate efforts to change your
social system. We dream of a world of utter justice and
God-spirit, a world which would be barren for your, devoid of
all nourishment, bleak, unfriendly, unsympathetic. You do not
want such a world; you are unapt for it. Seen in the dazzling
lights of your desires and needs our ideal is repellently
morose.

I talk here of the modern, and not of the orthodox Jew. I talk
of the Jew as alien as you to the forms of our orthodox and
consciously Jewish life: this is the Jew who forms the backbone
both of audience and contributor to your radical and
revolutionary organs, the Jew who is the precipitating center of
your spasmodic and inconsistent efforts for justice. This man,
in your midst, is not to be recognized, on the surface as a Jew.
He himself repudiates - and in all sincerity - his Jewish
affiliations. He is a citizen of the world; he is a son of
humanity; the progress of all human-kind, and not of any single
group of it, is in his particular care.

But such as these radical and international movements are, the
modern Jew (the best and most thoughtful modern Jew, that is) is
nearer to them than to anything else in your world. He is the
only true socialist and cosmopolitan - but in such a true and
tacit sense that he is completely distinguished from all of you.
It is the one of many vital paradoxes - a thing illogical and
yet true to life. It is our very cosmopolitanism that gives us
our national character. Because we are the only ones who are
cosmopolitan by instinct rather than by argument we remain
forever ourselves.

In everything we are destroyers - even in the instruments of
destruction to which we turn for relief. The very socialism and
internationalism through which our choked spirit seeks
utterance, which seem to threaten your way of life, are alien to
our spirit's demands and needs. Your socialists and
internationalists are not serious. The charm of these
movements, the attraction, such as it is, which they exercise,
is only in their struggle: it is the fight which draws your
gentile radicals. And indeed, it is only as long as there is an
element of adventure in being a radical that the radical
movement retain any individuality. And it is only in the fierce
period of early combat that you welcome us Jews - as allies.
you are deluded in this - so are we. You go into the movement
boldly, adventurously; we, darkly, tacitly. You make it a game;
we do it because we cannot help ourselves. And sure enough, in
the end, the split comes again. The liberal and the radical are
as apt to dislike the Jew as the reactionaries are. The liberal
and the radical do not use the weapons of the reactionaries: but
the dislike is there, finds expression in anti-Semitic socialist
and workers' movements and in the almost involuntary contempt
which springs to the lips of countless intellectuals.

Philosophies do not remold natures. What your radicals want is
another form of the Game, with other rules. Their discontent
joins hands with Jewish discontent. But it is not the same kind
of discontent. A little distance down the road the ways part
forever. The Jewish radical will turn from your social
movement: he will discover that nothing can bridge the gulf
between you and us. He will discover that the spiritual
satisfaction which he thought he would find in social revolution
is not to be purchased from you. I believe the movement has
already started, the gradual secession of the Jewish radicals,
their realization that your radicalism is of the same essential
stuff as your conservatism. The disillusionment has set in.

A century of partial tolerance gave us Jews access to your
world. In that period the great attempt was made, by advance
guards of reconciliation, to bring our two worlds together. It
was a century of failure. Our Jewish radicals are beginning to
understand it dimly.

We Jews, we, destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever.
NOTHING that you will do will do will meet our needs and
demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of
our own, a God-world, which is not in your nature to build.
Beyond all temporary alliances with this or that faction lies
the ultimate split in nature and destiny, the enmity between the
Game and God. But those of us who fail to understand that truth
will always be found in alliance with your rebellious factions,
until disillusionment comes. The wretched fate which scattered
us through your midst has thrust this unwelcome role upon us.

------------

More quotes from Maurice Samuel

109). "We belong to the One mastering God: you belong to the
republic of playful gods." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p.
36).

113). "Wherever the Jew is found he is a problem, a source of
unhappiness to himself and to those around him. Ever since he
has been scattered in your midst he has had to maintain a
continuous struggle for the conservation of his identity."
(Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p.10)

114). "Years of observation and thought have given increasing
strength to the belief that we Jews stand apart from you
gentiles, that a primal duality breaks the humanity I know into
two distinct parts; that this duality is a fundamental, and that
all differences among you gentiles are trivialities compared
with that which divided all of you from us." (Maurice Samuel,
You Gentiles, p. 12)

115). "You may even have Jews in your midst who did not learn
their way of life from us, and did not inherit it from a Jewish
forebear. We may have authentic gentiles in our midst: these
single protests are of no account; they are extreme and
irrelevant variations." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p. 21).

116). "I do not believe that the primal difference between
gentile and Jew is reconcilable. You and we may come to an
understanding, never to a reconciliation. There will be
irritation between us as long as we are in intimate contact. For
nature and constitution and vision divide us from all of you
forever." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p. 23).

117). "You have your way of life, we ours. In your system of
life we are essentially without 'honor.' In our system of life
you are essentially without morality. In your system of life we
must forever appear graceless; to us you must forever appear
godless." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p. 34).

118). "Judaism is a unique gift to this land that people of
myriad faiths and cultures call home ...The Talmudic teachings
of mercy and justice, and those who have sought to uphold these
ideals, grace the pages of American history. We can draw
strength and inspiration from he enduring lessons of Judaism,
and it is entirely fitting that we honor the great traditions of
its followers." (April 20, 1995 President Clinton signed a
Jewish Heritage Week Proclamation).

121). "Our Jewishness is not a creed, it is ourself, our
totality. Indeed, it may be fairly said that the surest evidence
of your lack of seriousness in religion is the fact that your
religions are not national, that you are not compromised and
dedicated, en masse, to the faith." (Maurice Samuel, You
Gentiles, p. 73).

122). "In the heart of any pious Jew, God is a Jew. Is your God
an Englishman or an American?" (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p.
75).

123). "When Germany and England and America will long have lost
their present identity or purpose, we shall still be strong in
ours." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, p. 111).

------------

"You Gentiles" by Maurice Samuel can be obtained from various
sources, inquire if interested. Comments from another reader: I
don't remember when a book has so impressed me as this one. It
was written by Maurice Samuel, a Jew, author of The Outsider,
Maurice Samuel: I, the Jew and Whatever Gods.

To say it is a stunning book does not come close to describing
its stylistic beauty and penetrating insights. I started
underlining it, and I have quotes on practically every single
page. This reading is a must for anyone who wants to understand
just what the coming struggle for the people on this planet is
about. The author speaks of "us" and "them" not as people so
much as of spiritual forces that essentially serve different
cosmic mandates-and that this primal duality is of such depth
and fundamental cleavage we can't avoid its tragic consequences,
no matter how we try.

Here is one passage, just to give you a flavor:

". . . another question, more subtle and disturbing, must be
faced. . . There are two life-forces in the world I know: Jewish
and Gentile, ours and yours. If this be a truth, we must not be
driven from it if, like many other truths, it is overlaid and
obscured by the irrelevancies of life, by the intersection and
confusion of currents.

Here is the gentile life-force; here is the Jewish life-force.
What their origin was I cannot say. I can only surmise dimly
what circumstances, reacting upon what original impulses,
produced the Jewish life-force, a consistent and coherent force,
a direction in human thought and reaction.

To you others belongs the gentile life-force, a mode of life
distinct from ours. . .

Your outlook on life, your dominent reactions, are the same
today as they were two thousand years ago. All that has changed
is the instrument of expression. . . the cleavage is there,
abysmal and undeniable. In the main, we are forever distinct. "

Other, often-quoted passages are:

"We Jews are accused of being destroyers: whatever you put up,
. . we tear down. We are not iconoclasts deliberately: we are
. . not enemies of
your institutions simply because of the dislike between us. . .

steve wolk

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to
Count Richard Phillips, notorious New England neck nibbler, filer of
Founding Father folderol, and spiritual heir to Nazi Alfred Rosenberg,
screeched:


> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> > In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> > Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
> >
> > > [...deletia...]
> >

> > >> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
> > >> consult:
> > >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
> > >>
> > >> --YFE
> > >

> > >=====================================================
> > >Phillips
> > >
> > >In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
> > >yourself.
> >
> > He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most
> > egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely.
> ======================================================
> Philips
>
> You mean James Madison, yes? Tell me just which anti-Semitic lies and
> forgeries did Madison address?


Guffaw! Count Richard doesn't know his ass from his Mad(d)ison.

Steve


> =======================================================
>
> It's perfectly
> > legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his point.
> > That's more than you manage to do, Liar...
> >
> > JGB
>
> ===============================================
> Phillips
>
> As I said: he is either incapable of dealing with it himself or
> unwilling to make th attempt.

So sayeth the man who says "I heard....; "I think.....; "I read
somewhere.....; "I was told.....; "I think I remember....; the same man
who has never listed a citation for anything he has ever posted.
Guffaw, guffaw.

Steve

Yale F.Edeiken

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to

Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote in article
<381BB1A4...@mediaone.net>...


> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> > In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> > Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
> >
> > > [...deletia...]
> >
> > >> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and
Judaism
> > >> consult:
> > >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
> > >>
> > >> --YFE
> > >
> > >=====================================================
> > >Phillips
> > >
> > >In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
> > >yourself.
> >
> > He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most
> > egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely.
> ======================================================
> Philips
>
> You mean James Madison, yes?

No.

It's perfectly
> > legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his
point.
> > That's more than you manage to do, Liar...

> As I said: he is either incapable of dealing with it himself or


> unwilling to make th attempt.

Then you are a liar. Why should I do what Mr. Maddison has done so well.

There was nothing original in Hoffies' garbage. it was a repeat of leis
that have dealth with before.

There is something that has never been delat with. Your disloyalty to the
US:

Jeffrey G. Brown

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to
In article <381BB1A4...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi

Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>>
>> > [...deletia...]
>>
>> >> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
>> >> consult:
>> >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>> >>
>> >> --YFE
>> >
>> >=====================================================
>> >Phillips
>> >
>> >In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
>> >yourself.
>>
>> He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most
>> egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely.
>======================================================
>Philips
>
>You mean James Madison, yes?

No, moron. I mean David Maddison, the author of the web page that Mr.
Edeiken cited.

> [...deletia...]

>> It's perfectly
>> legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his point.
>> That's more than you manage to do, Liar...
>>

>> JGB
>
>===============================================
>Phillips


>
>As I said: he is either incapable of dealing with it himself or
>unwilling to make th attempt.

There is no reason for Mr. Edeiken to repeat the research that Mr.
Maddison has done.

There is every reason to expect that you, Liar, will continue to make
claims you can't support with evidence -- yours or anyone else's.

JGB

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <381B496B...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and Judaism
> >> consult:
> >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
> >>
> >> --YFE
> >
> >=====================================================
> >Phillips
> >
> >In other words, you are either unwilling or unable to deal with it
> >yourself.
>
> He doesn't have to -- Mr. Maddison has dealt with many of the most

> egregious anti-Semitic lies and forgeries quite nicely. It's perfectly


> legitimate for Mr. Edeiken to cite the references that support his point.
> That's more than you manage to do, Liar...

Give me a break. He can even deal with the communist connection:

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM REFUTED

The following article was posted to the Usenet by a Nizkorite in a pathetic effort
to counter racial activist’s exposure of the Jew’s inspiration, leadership, and
disproportionate participation in the Communist revolution that took control of
Russia and unleashed mass-murder on a scale that exceeds anything in history. As
you read this Jewish Chronicle hack piece pay attention to the fact that outside of
a few vague references to unknown documents the Jewish author gives no
documentation for any of his claims.

The rebuttal comments in brackets are mine, but realize that a point by point, line
by line rebuttal would take many hours since virtually every sentence is either
totally unsupported by evidence, a flat-out lie, or a mendacious distortion. As
time permits I will revise this rebuttal, adding evidence and notes as my time
permits. - - IPM, 10/24/99

==========================

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM

The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919

The "Times" Campaign

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

By ISRAEL COHEN

The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in Russia with
the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and thus to hold up
the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are
based solely upon the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist
Commissaries are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been denied, have
been built up all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as that the Jews wish to
wreak revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, and that they aim at
sweeping away Christian civilisation so as to enthrone Judaism as the dominant
faith throughout the world. How utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how
grotesquely exaggerated are most of the stories of Jewish participation in
Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable facts
and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive record of
disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities including, but not
limited to political agitation, organizational leadership, Soviet espionage, and
armed revolutionary activity. The first three are confirmed by Jewish
psychohistorian, Stanley Roth writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”, Fall
1978, who provides a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism throughout
the western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He writes: "In the
United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of Jewish background
during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union was heavily Jewish and, just
as importantly, the Soviet espionage apparatus in this country ... was pretty
largely of Jewish background." He continues: “In Western Europe Jews continued to
take an active radical role. In France, during the 1968 upheavals, students of
Jewish background dominated Trotskyite leadership
cadres." "Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter
culture in the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate that
in its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then goes on
to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western campuses. One
(Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented: "I am struck by the lack
of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the massive preponderance of New York
Jews. The situation at the University of Minnesota is similar." In the faculties
too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly, December 1976)
Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The Jewish Daily Forward (a Yiddish
socialist newspaper) to a large extent surpassed the rabbis and Orthodoxy as the
educator of the Jewish community in the United States ... The more astute and
sensitive Jewish Socialists in the pre-World War I years ... sought opportunities
to demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and interpreted it, was quite
compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism was presented to the Jewish
masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during a strike, the Law of Moses was
cited in support of the strikers. The Socialist Party's Rand School was lyricized
by the Forward at its founding in 1906 as 'the socialist' yeshiva ... where the
rabbis and teachers of our movement were being prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the violent Weather
Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an interview with a Jewish
ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in the 1960s: "A
lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been tough street kids,
and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they were doing was
overcoming their own fears about their masculinity ... Most of them ... had been
intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were trying to be tough street
kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going on."]

]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of Bolshevist
Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple reason that the Soviet
Government has not carried out a religious or race census of its civil servants. If
such a census were carried out it would doubtless show that pure Russians, Poles,
and Letts predominate considerably over the Jews. All the statements made that the
latter form the majority of the Commissaries are at best the sheerest conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a fair degree
of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than today when just about
any political analyst knows, for example, that Bill Clinton has a tremendous number
of Jews in his administration. These people don’t wear yellow stars or a sign on
their back that says: “I’m a Jew”, but the information gets around anyway. I mean
some of the Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by changing their obviously
Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For example, Yakov Sverdlov
(Solomon) who was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman
of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori
Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Press commissar Karl
Radek (Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I
expect only a nincompoop would have been fooled into thinking these people were
real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable statistics.
Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no denial is published, the
label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of twenty-eight "conspicuous
Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The Times, by a correspondent who signed
himself "Janus", as "either full-blooded Jews or of Jewish extraction," at least
ten were either non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or dead Bolshevists, and I have
obtained information that another two, Parvus and Bakowski, must also be
eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with a Bolshevist paper in
Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government for the purpose of
creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has not been in Russia for
the last few years, and is living quietly in Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British military officer in Paris
who spent a couple of year of the war in South Russia and neighbouring territories,
stating that Rakowski on several occasions stood as Socialist candidate for Galatz;
and it is notorious that Jews, at any rate hitherto, cannot be admitted to the
Rumanian Parliament.

[IPM: Virtually none of this can be verified, This author provides no bibliography
or gives no sources to support any of his claims, but even if the preceding claim
is true that’s only one out of many.]

But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever it may, that
affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet Russia approve of
Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone Bolshevist
iniquities. If Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the elected or
recognised representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a single Jewish community
or party, one might conclude that their policy and
principles were sanctioned by the Jews in general. But neither Trotzky nor any
other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represents or has ever represented the Jewish
people, or is connected with the Jewish community or any Jewish
party, or has ever taken any active part in Jewish public life. Nor does Trotzky or
any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represent specifically Jewish ideals, advocate
specifically Jewish aspirations, or share specifically Jewish sympathies. On the
contrary, these men are, as a matter of fact, divorced from the Jewish community,
completely estranged from Jewish teachings and traditions, and have shown
themselves in many things actually hostile to Jews. When Trotzky first became
prominent as a Bolshevist leader he was appealed to by a deputation of the Council
of the Petrograd Jewish Community to sever his connection with the movement, as
they feared that it would lead to the shedding of innocent Jewish blood; but he
remained adamant to their entreaties, denying that he was a Jew and
refusing to recognise Jews as such. And when he was appealed to later to save a
Jewish community from a pogrom, he replied that he recognised no difference of
religion or nationality. But although Trotzky is one of the most prominent
Bolshevists, he was not the creator of the system. The doctrine was hatched in the
pure Slavic brain of Lenin, and Trotzky is a comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet archives
that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December 5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar
Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was a
late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only because the political quarantine to which
he had been subjected by the British authorities at Halifax prevented him from
sailing in time to assume the leadership of the Menshevists after the revolution."
So, the British authorities are apparently responsible for Trotzky having turned
Bolshevist ! How
repugnant Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact that among
the host of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single one was forthcoming to
propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for Education, whose particular function
is to distil and disseminate the principles of the communist creed, is a pure
Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used in this article. The author concentrates on
Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks were something other than revolutionary
Marxists.]


SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of the Jews are
followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists published a statistical
analysis of the constituents of the Soviets, showing that the Bolshevists were more
largely composed of pure Russian elements than the Menshevists, who are
anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December, 1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of Settlement,
there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no organised Bolshevists
worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has been any election during the last
two years in the Jewish communities in Russia, there have been all sorts of
parties, but never a Bolshevist party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large communities, and of
the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten different parties, there were 438
Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the “Bundists” as
indicated by the following statement: “Perhaps these reforms are the cause of the
present tranquillity, because the revolutionary leaders nearly all belong to the
Jewish race and the most effective revolutionary agency is the JEWISH BUND.” (From
a speech given to the National Geographic Society, Washington, DC, on December 14,
1906, by William Elroy Curtis and published in National Geographic Magazine for
May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). The revolutionary nature of the Jewish Bund is also
confirmed here: “In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in
Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the (Communist) Party (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827). It is
apparent here, and verified through other sources also, that the Jewish Bund was
just another a Marxist/Communist organization.


Interestingly, the B’na B’rith published a brochure entitled “Answer Anti-Jewish
Propaganda With Statistics” which deceptively claims that “The great part of
Russian Jewish population belonged to the Menshevik party.” The fact to remember is
that Menshevik = Communist. The Mensheviks and Bolsheviks were merely competing
factions within the Russian Marxist movement, and when the Bolsheviks gained the
upper hand the Mensheviks merely switched hats of affiliation to become Bolsheviks.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish nationalists.
Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities in Moscow at the beginning of
July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates representing thirty-nine communities, there
were fifty-three Zionists, twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not a single
Bolshevist. The reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the Jews is due not
only
to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For the establishment of the
communist regime was aimed essentially at the propertied classes, the bourgeoisie;
it struck principally at the existence of the merchants, the manufacturers, and the
members of the liberal professions, who were most largely recruited from the Jewish

community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in Russia were only
pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told during the war that the
Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they
would favour a system that would blight their economic existence ? Is it they who
would set up a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are among his most
determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community of Archangel pointed
out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the Provisional Government of North
Russia, "if there are Jews who are leaders of the Bolshevists, there are similarly
Jews in the forefront ranks of the fight against Bolshevism." The leader of the
Russian Menshevists is a Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan and Martoff,
sometimes wrongly dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists. Further, the Jewish
middle and upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party of the Cadets, whose
leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was compelled to flee for his life.
Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of Russian Jewry, Baron de Gunzburg, was
also forced to flee abroad, and the well-known advocate, Bramson, has tasted
bitterly of Soviet oppression. But, what is more significant still, the Commissary
Uritzky was killed by the Jew Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of
Lenin was made by a Jewish girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And, there’s
nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political differences. For example,
we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin assassinated by a conservative Jew in Israel
two years ago. Even in my personal experience with Jews, I’ve met right-wing
Zionist Jews who absolutely hated leftist Jews.]

THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and grotesque is
the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the record of the persecution
of the Jewish communities by the Soviet Commissaries and of the pogroms by the
Bolshevist soldiery and mob. Local Commissaries have carried on a bitter and
relentless campaign against the organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has
been suppressed, and communal
buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been closed or requisitioned. The Hebrew
language has been stigmatised as "counter-revolutionary," and Hebrew newspapers
have been proscribed. A decision of the Commissariat of
Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the language Ibrith does not form
the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which reason this language cannot be
regarded as a language of a national minority, and hence must be subjected to the
same regulations as every foreign tongue which does not represent a vernacular in
the regions of Soviet Russia." The Commissariat of Education has, therefore
forbidden the teaching of Hebrew in schools of the "first category" and restricted
it in schools of the "second category." The Soviet Commissaries display especial
hostility against the Zionist movement, which is denounced as
"counter-revolutionary" and as "an instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their Jewish
competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd, Kieff, etc.),
Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been confiscated. According
to the most recent information, the house of a prominent Zionist in Petrograd, M.
Tchirikover, was searched by the Bolshevists, who seized 30,000 roubles belonging
to the Zionist Committee, the Zionist Chronica is shut down, and M. Gepstein, a
Petrograd member of the Central Committee of Russian Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an
active Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity Jews were
really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists there’s not many Jews
left.]


Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken place on
various occasions and in different towns during the last eighteen months. The Red
Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918 at
Novgorod-Seversk (where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by the Sumski
Regiment), Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the synagogues were
desecrated and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi was
actually hanged in the synagogue; and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other places the
synagogues were turned into stables for soldiers' horses. In March of this year
there were further pogroms in Soviet Russia, e.g., at Borissov (Minsk), Homel,
Wassilewitschi (ten Jews killed), and Golynki (Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the massacres of
gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives us no background
information on these Jews. So we can only assume and guess the actual reasons for
these killings.]

The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is notorious when detachments were sent to
suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this purpose, and
in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact remains that
many conspicuous Jews were among the various Marxist factions. The author admits
that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions many other leaders
as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force within the Russian Marxists so many
Jews wouldn’t have been in positions of responsibility. Most anti-Jewish Russians
were allied with Col. Kolchak’s counterrevolutionary White army, which fought the
Bolsheviks for years before being finally defeated.]


It is true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but this does
not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the peril to which
they were exposed on the part of the troops indoctrinated with Bolshevism. If only
those bloodstained guardians of the Communist Paradise knew that their Jewish
victims were represented in Western Europe as its pillars and paladins what
sardonic laughter would be theirs ! But, despite the sacrifices made by Jewish
communities to Bolshevist fury, they had to pay a fresh toll to anti-Bolshevist
vengeance. For Denikin's Volunteer Army has recently perpetrated pogroms at
Eksterinoslav, Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and Kieff, which were marked by
unbridled butchery, bestiality, and wholesale plunder. Thus have the Jews in Russia
become the helpless victims of the wickedness of a baseless lie.


[This Jewish Chronicle article is little more than hack propaganda and consists
almost exclusively of heresay and rumor. None of the important claims made by this
author can be verified and he provides no notes, bibliography and gives no
verifiable sources to support any of his claims. About the best we get is an
occasional vague reference to a “letter” or “memorandum.” This article is a joke
and convincingly refutes not one documented fact concerning the Jewish dominance of
the Marxist takeover of Russia in 1917.]

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Philip Mathews

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In >Message-id: <381B39...@connect.ab.ca>
>
>

>Ed Kadach edd...@connect.ab.ca wrote:

>Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
>>
>> Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
>> <381A44...@connect.ab.ca>...
>> > To: identity
>>
>> > THE HOFFMAN WIRE
>> > Oct. 28, 1999
>> > Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
>> > http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>
>> The usual garbage deleted.
>>

>> For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and
>Judaism
>> consult:
>> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>>
>> --YFE
>
>

>Unfortunately the site you mention in no way refutes anything.
>It's a site full of distortions and a misrepresentation of
>the real facts concerning the filthy, disgusting Talmud.

On the contrary, it exposes the distortion, misrepresentations and outright
lies of ignorant bigots like you.

>
>Racialist regards,
>
>Ed Kadach

Regards to a racist,

Philip Mathews

"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson


Yale F.Edeiken

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Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article

<381B39...@connect.ab.ca>...
> Yale F.Edeiken wrote:

> > > THE HOFFMAN WIRE
> > > Oct. 28, 1999
> > > Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
> > > http://www.hoffman-info.com
> >

> > The usual garbage deleted.
> >
> > For a refutation of this and other lies about the Talmud and
Judaism
> > consult:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/

> Unfortunately the site you mention in no way refutes anything.


> It's a site full of distortions and a misrepresentation of
> the real facts concerning the filthy, disgusting Talmud.

Unfortunately the site is an accurate refutation of your leis about the
Talmud.

I state "unfortunately" because it is made neccessary by the utter
dishonesty of bigots like KKKadach who mindlessly repeat their loathsome
lies.

Look there and find out:


For a refutation of many of the lies about the Talmud and Judaism consult:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/


--YFE

The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/

Buck Turgidson

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>>>>>>
"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<

No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.

-- --Dep

"Always tell the truth. It's the § "Truth is just...truth. You can't
easiest thing to remember." § have opinions about truth."
--David Mamet § --Peter
Schickele

Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html


Richard Phillips

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Fledgist wrote:
>
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> >From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> >Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> >These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> >Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
> >
> >No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
> >deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.

==============================================================
Phillips

The book exists. I hav. seen it. You can order it from IHR.

=================================
> >
> >
> >
> >-- --Dep
>
> Actually, I thought he had a Shoeless Joe Jackson autographed basketball.
>
> Fragano Ledgister
> (Fled...@aol.com)
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!

Buck Turgidson

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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Fledgist wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >>>>>>>
> > >"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> > >From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> > >Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> > >These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> > >Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
> > >
> > >No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
> > >deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
>
> ==============================================================
> Phillips
>
> The book exists. I hav. seen it. You can order it from IHR.
>
> =================================

AHA. Why am I not surprised?

Richard Phillips

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Buck Turgidson wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
> "We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
>
> No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
> deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.

============================================================
Phillips

THe book exists. I have seen it.

===========================

steve wolk

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Richard Phillips wrote:

>
> Fledgist wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >>>>>>>
> > >"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> > >From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> > >Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> > >These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> > >Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
> > >
> > >No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
> > >deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
>
> ==============================================================
> Phillips
>
> The book exists. I hav. seen it. You can order it from IHR.

IHR? What a surprise.

Steve

Fledgist

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>
>>>>>>>
>"We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
>From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
>Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
>These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
>Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
>
>No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
>deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
>
>
>

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi

Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Buck Turgidson wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>> "We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
>> From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
>> Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
>> These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
>> Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
>>

>> No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
>> deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
>

>============================================================
>Phillips
>
>THe book exists. I have seen it.

You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.

Richard Phillips

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> "We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> >> From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> >> Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> >> These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> >> Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
> >>
> >> No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like Special Ed's
> >> deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
> >
> >============================================================
> >Phillips
> >
> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
>
> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.
>
> JGB

==========================================
Phillips

Tell you what you do. Phone IHR at (949) 631-1490 and request the book.
If they don't have it in stock, ask if it can be back-ordered.

============================================

ipm

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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> > >THe book exists. I have seen it.
> >
> > You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.
> >
> > JGB
>
> ==========================================
> Phillips
>
> Tell you what you do. Phone IHR at (949) 631-1490 and request the book.
> If they don't have it in stock, ask if it can be back-ordered.

I have the book right in front of me now. The quote is on page 155.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne

Tim Stevens

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ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message news:381EE32A...@usaor.net...

>
>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >
> > > >THe book exists. I have seen it.
> > >
> > > You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a
physical copy.
> > >
> > > JGB
> >
> > ==========================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > Tell you what you do. Phone IHR at (949) 631-1490 and request the book.
> > If they don't have it in stock, ask if it can be back-ordered.
>
> I have the book right in front of me now. The quote is on page 155.

Then you won't mind producing the full bibliographic rundown (Author, Title,
publisher, Place of Publication, Year of Publication, number of pages) of
this book, will you now?

How odd that it was not on the IHR books page at
http://www.ihr.org/books/books.html
isn't it? Of course there, they only have ten denier books listed, and nine
of these have been colored in.

Nor could I find such a book listed when I searched the books section at
Amazon.com for 'Maurice Samuel'. Books of his listed include 'Gentleman and
the Jew', 'The Great Hatred', 'Haggadah of Passover', 'Harvest in the
Desert', 'Prince in the Ghetto', 'Youth in Revolt', 'Certain People of the
Book', 'In Praise of Yiddish', 'The World of Shalom Aleichem', and 'The
Worlds of Maurice Samuel: Selected Writings'.

How odd it is that even IHR does not advertise this publically. Can someone
say.... 'forgery'?

So go ahead, Mr. Scott. Produce the bibliographic reference and tell us all
on this public forum who you got this book from that you say you have. It
could be *very* interesting to see what happens next.

--
Tim

********** We have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo **********

John Morris

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In <7vobbl$dn2$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> in alt.revisionism, on Tue,
2 Nov 1999 21:50:41 -0600, "Tim Stevens"
<timothy...@mindspring.com> wrote:

[snip]

>How odd it is that even IHR does not advertise this publically. Can someone
>say.... 'forgery'?

Actually, I don't think it is a forgery. Marty Kelley who used to
post here investigated the article, and I believe it is clearly
flagged as an ironic commentary.

>So go ahead, Mr. Scott. Produce the bibliographic reference and tell us all
>on this public forum who you got this book from that you say you have. It
>could be *very* interesting to see what happens next.

Oh yes, please do. It will make finding it in the library ever so
much easier.

Though I'm thinking I'll find it in Samuel's book on antisemitism,
_The Great Hatred_.

--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
--
"Fuch the world lets murder people." -- Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999

Richard Phillips

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> How odd it is that even IHR does not advertise this publically. Can someone
> say.... 'forgery'?
>
> So go ahead, Mr. Scott. Produce the bibliographic reference and tell us all
> on this public forum who you got this book from that you say you have. It
> could be *very* interesting to see what happens next.
>
> --
> Tim
>
> ********** We have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo **********

============================================================
Phillips

The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.

But there is no reason you should take my word for it. Call IHR at (949)
631 1490 and order it.

====================================

steve wolk

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Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
Learned Elders of Zion". Are we to assume that the Samuel book has not
been tampered with by the publisher?

Steve

Richard Phillips

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=========================================================
Phillips

I have stated the title under which it is available; nothing more,
nothing less.

If you think in way be a forgery then why not order it and judge for
itself. But suppose it WERE a forgery, that would only mean that the
author was someone other than Samuel. Hardly likely. I don't think the
name Samuel was ever important enough to make it worth anyone's while to
misappropriate his name.

==================================================

Lou

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I love to do this, Fucking Zhids :)

0116 You Gentiles
by Maurice Samuel.

One of the most outspoken and honest American Jewish writers of this century
offers an unvarnished apologia for Jewish ethics and the Jewish worldview.
His unsparing disdain for Gentile and Jewish hypocrisy alike has made
anti-Semites fume, philo-Semites sputter, and disingenuous Jews cringe since
the 1920s.

Pb; 221 pp; $8.00.

ipm

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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message news:381EE32A...@usaor.net...
>

> > I have the book right in front of me now. The quote is on page 155.
>
> Then you won't mind producing the full bibliographic rundown (Author, Title,
> publisher, Place of Publication, Year of Publication, number of pages) of
> this book, will you now?
>
> How odd that it was not on the IHR books page at
> http://www.ihr.org/books/books.html
> isn't it? Of course there, they only have ten denier books listed, and nine
> of these have been colored in.
>
> Nor could I find such a book listed when I searched the books section at
> Amazon.com for 'Maurice Samuel'. Books of his listed include 'Gentleman and
> the Jew', 'The Great Hatred', 'Haggadah of Passover', 'Harvest in the
> Desert', 'Prince in the Ghetto', 'Youth in Revolt', 'Certain People of the
> Book', 'In Praise of Yiddish', 'The World of Shalom Aleichem', and 'The
> Worlds of Maurice Samuel: Selected Writings'.
>
> How odd it is that even IHR does not advertise this publically. Can someone
> say.... 'forgery'?

Try National Vanguard Books

http://www.natvan.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=350&p_catid=10&sid=4YRKczOCc9zn8Jq

ipm

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steve wolk wrote:

> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
>
> Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion".

Ok, what is it a forgery of?

> Are we to assume that the Samuel book has not
> been tampered with by the publisher?

I don't know why you people are so incredulous, he could have just as easily quoted
Dr. Oscar Levy, another well-known Jew who comments similarly . He was a figure of
international repute who edited and financed the English edition of Nietzsche's
works in sixteen volumes. In the preface to the book "The World Significance of the
Russian Revolution" by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University, Levy
stated: "We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who
have posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having given it the
Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its
incendiaries, its executioners..." .

Sara

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In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

> steve wolk wrote:
>
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> >
> > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > Learned Elders of Zion".
>
> Ok, what is it a forgery of?
>

Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??

My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.

Sara

--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_

Richard Phillips

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Sara wrote:
>
> In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> > steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > >
> > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> >
> > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> >
>
> Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??

=============================================================
Phillips

I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
pronouncement of that sort.
What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of
much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
much the manner that the Protocols projected.

=================================================

ipm

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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Sara wrote:
>
> > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>
> =============================================================
> Phillips
>
> I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> pronouncement of that sort.
> What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of
> much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
> much the manner that the Protocols projected.

Yes, I agree, regardless of their origin the Protocols can be very unnerving to
read. So many things discussed have happened or continue to happen.

ipm

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Sara wrote:

> In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> > steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > >
> > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> >
> > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> >
>

> Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>

> My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.

No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there must be
an original. I want to see the original that was apparently forged!

RockyMtnCougar

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In article <38219C3C...@mediaone.net>, Richard Phillips

> =============================================================
> Phillips
> I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I
> have
> neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to
> make a
> pronouncement of that sort.
> What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof
> is of
> much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in
> pretty
> much the manner that the Protocols projected.
> =================================================


States some examples, relating today's events to specific lines in the
protocols. There is at least one full copy online, you should be able
to provide URLs to the text you claim follows the Protocol's projection.


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Richard Phillips

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====================================================================
Phillips

Since I have never read the Protocols (and do not plan to) I cannot make
the sort of line-by-line match which you have asked for. I would however
cite the following to support my claim.

(1) The birth and continued existence of the State of Israel.

(2) The enormous extent and reach of Jewish power in USA (presently the
world's leading power)

(3) Manifestations of Jewish power in Canada, Australia, and Western
European countries. To wit:

3a) Laws in Germany and France which make it a criminal offence to
publicly question the orthodox notions of the Holocaust.

3b) The establishment of so-called Human Rights commissions before which
one can be haled for doing nothing more saying something about a
religious or ethnic group which a member of said group can seize upon as
having "injured his/her feelings" and where truth is no defence.

=============================================================================

John Carlo

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The truth about the Jews will oneday be known. JC


Sara

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In article <3821AFDA...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

> Sara wrote:
>
> > In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> >
> > > steve wolk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > > >
> > > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> > >
> > > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> > >
> >
> > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
> >
> > My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.
>
> No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there must be
> an original. I want to see the original that was apparently forged!
>

And there's a classic example of Revisionist logic!

Ahh.. the intellectual adventure of the century!

Sara

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In article <17588-38...@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Merk...@webtv.net (John Carlo) wrote:

> The truth about the Jews will oneday be known. JC

Ahh... another WebTV genius!

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <381EDACD...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi

Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> "We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
>> >> From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
>> >> Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
>> >> These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
>> >> Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
>> >>
>> >> No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like
Special Ed's
>> >> deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
>> >
>> >============================================================
>> >Phillips
>> >

>> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
>>
>> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.
>>
>> JGB
>
>==========================================
>Phillips
>
>Tell you what you do. Phone IHR at (949) 631-1490 and request the book.

"...[Y]ou have never presented the necessary physical evidence. And
without physical evidece it just does not fly."

-- From: Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net>
-- Subject: Re: Liar Philllips still thinks someone
is going to play his game
-- Date: Sat, 08 May 1999
-- Message-ID: <37345C20...@mediaone.net>

Are we to have one set of rules for Richard "Liar" Philllips, and another
for everyone else? Sure looks that way...

JGB

steve wolk

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ipm wrote:
>
> steve wolk wrote:
>
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> >
> > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > Learned Elders of Zion".
>
> Ok, what is it a forgery of?


Read the following to find out, Willi.


Robert Todd Carroll


SkepDic.com

Protocols of the Elders of Zion

"The only statement I care to make about the
Protocols is that they fit in with what is
going on.
They are sixteen years old, and they have
fitted the
world situation up to this time. They fit it
now."
--Henry Ford, 2-17-21, whose newspaper, the
Dearborn Independent, cited the Protocols as
evidence
of an alleged Jewish threat until at least
1927

"To what extent the whole existence of this
people is
based on a continuous lie is shown
incomparably by
the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion...."
--Adolph
Hitler, Mein Kampf

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery
made in Russia for
the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the Jews
for the country's
ills. It was first privately printed in 1897 and
was made public in 1905.
It is copied from a nineteenth century novel
(Biarritz, 1868) and claims
that a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over
the world.

The basic story was composed by a German novelist
and anti-Semite
named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of
Sir John
Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from
another writer, Maurice
Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli
and Montesquieu"
(1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing
Napoleon III.
Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of
introducing Jews to
do the plotting to take over the world.

The Russians used big chunks of a Russian
translation of Goedsche's
novel, published it separately as the Protocols,
and claimed they were
authentic. Their purpose was political: to
strengthen the czar Nicholas
II's position by exposing his opponents as allies
with those who were
part of a massive conspiracy to take over the
world. Thus, the
Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.

The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by
Philip Grave, a
correspondent for the London Times; by Herman
Bernstein in The
Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete
Exposure,
reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav
Publishing House,
New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey
and the
Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(London : Press
Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).

The Protocols were published in a Michigan
newspaper owned by
Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a
forgery, Ford's paper
continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later
used the Protocols to
help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during
World War II.

The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is
still cited by certain
individuals and groups as the cause of all their
woes.

>
> > Are we to assume that the Samuel book has not
> > been tampered with by the publisher?
>
> I don't know why you people are so incredulous


Wrong word. The word should be "skeptical".

, he could have just as easily quoted
> Dr. Oscar Levy, another well-known Jew who comments similarly . He was a figure of
> international repute who edited and financed the English edition of Nietzsche's
> works in sixteen volumes. In the preface to the book "The World Significance of the
> Russian Revolution" by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University, Levy
> stated: "We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who
> have posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having given it the
> Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its
> incendiaries, its executioners..." .

Or he could have quoted any number of false or forged quotes by any
number of people. You can stop trying to peddle it, Willi. Nobody's
buying.

Steve

steve wolk

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Count Richard Phillips, high on the Sterno fumes wafting over Derry from
Nazi HQ in Tampa Bay, blathered:
>
> Sara wrote:

> >
> > In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> >
> > > steve wolk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > > >
> > > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> > >
> > > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> > >
> >
> > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>
> =============================================================
> Phillips
>
> I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> pronouncement of that sort.


Nonsense. You can read and you have a computer, all the resources you
need. You merely have to learn not to limit your reading to the IHR and
CODOH websites. For instance:


Robert Todd Carroll


SkepDic.com

> What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of


> much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
> much the manner that the Protocols projected.


Because you say so? What a stupid and contradictory statement that is.
Not surprising, considering the source.

>
> =================================================


> >
> > My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.


They gotta play the hand they were dealt. Bad seeds, ya' know.

Steve

steve wolk

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ipm wrote:
>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Sara wrote:
> >
> > > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
> >
> > =============================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> > neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> > pronouncement of that sort.
> > What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of
> > much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
> > much the manner that the Protocols projected.
>
> Yes, I agree, regardless of their origin the Protocols can be very unnerving to
> read. So many things discussed have happened or continue to happen.
>
>

Just like in "The Wizard of Oz", Willi?

Charles Don Hall

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i...@usaor.net (ipm) wrote in <3821AFDA...@usaor.net>:

>
>
>Sara wrote:
>
>> In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>>
>> > steve wolk wrote:
>> >
>> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice
>> > > > Samuel. It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which
>> > > > is a marketing affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
>> > >
>> > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
>> > > Learned Elders of Zion".
>> >
>> > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
>> >
>>

>> Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>>

>> My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.
>

>No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there
>must be an original. I want to see the original that was apparently
>forged!


OK, I see where you're confused. It turns out that it's possible to have
a forgery without an original.

Suppose I carved a statue and then passed it off as something from the
Roman Empire. It would be considered a "forgery"...even if I hadn't been
copying any particular Roman statue or imitating the style of any
particular Roman sculptor.


English is a tricky language, so please ask questions if there's anything
else that you don't understand. After all, that's the only way you'll
ever learn anything!

>--
>Regards,
>ipm

--

=================================================================
Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher (cdhall...@erols.com)
The Graduation Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/4185
=================================================================

ipm

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Charles Don Hall wrote:

> >No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there
> >must be an original. I want to see the original that was apparently
> >forged!
>
> OK, I see where you're confused. It turns out that it's possible to have
> a forgery without an original.
>
> Suppose I carved a statue and then passed it off as something from the
> Roman Empire. It would be considered a "forgery"...even if I hadn't been
> copying any particular Roman statue or imitating the style of any
> particular Roman sculptor.

No, I think that would simply be called a fake. I never heard the Protocols
referred to as being fake. Its always called a forgery. Its almost like
someone knows there's an original floating around somewhere and that explains
the very specific and consistant terminology. Just speculating.

Richard Phillips

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <381EDACD...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> "We Jews, we, the Destroyers..."
> >> >> From the book "YOU GENTILES" by
> >> >> Maurice Samuel [Jewish American]:
> >> >> These BRUTALLY HONEST writings are from a Jewish American.
> >> >> Extract of the 11th chapter.<<<<<<<
> >> >>
> >> >> No publisher, no date, nothing. Yeah, this is genuine. Just like
> Special Ed's
> >> >> deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and his Babe Ruth autographed football.
> >> >
> >> >============================================================
> >> >Phillips
> >> >
> >> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
> >>
> >> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.
> >>
> >> JGB

====================================================================================
Phillips

Am I, indeed. Well, a precis of the book may be found on Page 17 of the
catalog of the Noontide Press which lists it as item # 0116. But there's
no reason why you should take my word for it. You can easily check by
phoning IHR at (949) 631-1490 and ordering a copy. I assume you can
manage the $8.00.

Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?

============================================
> >
>

Richard Phillips

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steve wolk wrote:
>
> Count Richard Phillips, high on the Sterno fumes wafting over Derry from
> Nazi HQ in Tampa Bay, blathered:
> >
> > Sara wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > steve wolk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > > > >
> > > > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> > > >
> > > > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
> >
> > =============================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> > neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> > pronouncement of that sort.
>
> Nonsense. You can read and you have a computer, all the resources you
> need. You merely have to learn not to limit your reading to the IHR and
> CODOH websites. For instance:

======================================================
Phillips

I do not trouble myself to investigate the Protocols for two reasons:

(1) I do not give a fuck one way or the other

(2) There are heavy demands on my study time of a professional nature.

==============================================
>
>

ipm

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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?

I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
yet?

Richard Phillips

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ipm wrote:
>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
>
> I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> yet?

============================================================
Phillips

I have remarked several times that it is Jeffrey's misfortune that he
was not of adult years during World War II as he would certainly have
had a brilliant career in the govt's morale department. I can see one of
his great morale-building posters now.

GIVE US THE TOOLS. WE'LL LICK 'EM.

Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
wedding night on his stomach.
Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)

=====================================================================

steve wolk

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ipm wrote:
>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
>
> I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> yet?
>


It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
him/it as a homosexual. Willi took a little longer than average but has
finally arrived at his goal. Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.

Steve

steve wolk

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Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> >
> > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > yet?
>
> ============================================================
> Phillips
>
> I have remarked several times that it is Jeffrey's misfortune that he
> was not of adult years during World War II as he would certainly have
> had a brilliant career in the govt's morale department. I can see one of
> his great morale-building posters now.
>
> GIVE US THE TOOLS. WE'LL LICK 'EM.
>
> Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> wedding night on his stomach.
> Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)

What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
innuendo? We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.

Steve

>
> =====================================================================

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3822A1FA...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi

Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <381EDACD...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> [...deletia...]

>> >> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
>> >>
>> >> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a
physical copy.
>> >>
>> >> JGB
>
>====================================================================================
>Phillips
>
>Am I, indeed. Well, a precis of the book may be found on Page 17 of the
>catalog of the Noontide Press which lists it as item # 0116. But there's
>no reason why you should take my word for it.

Correct. And Liar has even told us _why_ we should not take his word for it:

"...[Y]ou have never presented the necessary physical evidence. And
without physical evidece it just does not fly."

-- From: Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net>
-- Subject: Re: Liar Philllips still thinks someone
is going to play his game
-- Date: Sat, 08 May 1999
-- Message-ID: <37345C20...@mediaone.net>

I guess Liar wants one set of rules for himself, and another for everyone
else. Hmmmm...

ipm

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steve wolk wrote:

> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> > wedding night on his stomach.
> > Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)
>
> What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
> innuendo? We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
> life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.

Sounds like you have extensive personal experience in that area.

ipm

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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> >
> > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > yet?
> >
>

> It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
> his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
> him/it as a homosexual. Willi took a little longer than average but has
> finally arrived at his goal. Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
> for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.

Strange thing is that for all the fags which your ilk claims infest White Nationalist
groups, I have never met one in over eight years of being a member of the National
Alliance. The only certified queer that I've really ever heard about was that Jew Frank
Cohen who infiltrated the Chicago Nazi group back in the 1970s. Cohen was messing with
young boys and when his membership found out they turned him over to the police.

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> I guess Liar wants one set of rules for himself, and another for everyone
> else. Hmmmm...

Don't avoid the question. Are you a homosexual? Yes or no.

Richard Phillips

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steve wolk wrote:
>
> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> >
> > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > yet?
> >
>
> It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
> his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
> him/it as a homosexual. Willi took a little longer than average but has
> finally arrived at his goal. Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
> for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.
>
> Steve


=======================================================================
Phillips

And in a not dissimilar fashion will a liberal seize upon the statement
of a hated opponent that he (the opponent) is prudently storing certain
essentials (eg toilet paper) against the possibility of shortages
arising from Y2K disruptions, and thereafter use it as the basis of
inanities which, given his delusions of cleverness, he really imagines
pass muster as jokes.

FYI, Jeffrey Brown, is a piece of walking excrement who has no
discernible right to exist.

=======================================================

Richard Phillips

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steve wolk wrote:

>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > >
> > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > yet?
> >
> > ============================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > I have remarked several times that it is Jeffrey's misfortune that he
> > was not of adult years during World War II as he would certainly have
> > had a brilliant career in the govt's morale department. I can see one of
> > his great morale-building posters now.
> >
> > GIVE US THE TOOLS. WE'LL LICK 'EM.
> >
> > Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> > wedding night on his stomach.
> > Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)
>
> What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
> innuendo? We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
> life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.
>
> Steve

===========================================================
Phillips

Neither one. It's a case of having a superb memory for jokes (and
consequently a huge fund of them) and no hesitation about using it at
Brown's expense.

==========================================
>

Richard Phillips

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <3822A1FA...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <381EDACD...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
> >> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> >> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
> >> >>
> >> >> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a
> physical copy.
> >> >>
> >> >> JGB
> >
> >====================================================================================
> >Phillips
> >
> >Am I, indeed. Well, a precis of the book may be found on Page 17 of the
> >catalog of the Noontide Press which lists it as item # 0116. But there's
> >no reason why you should take my word for it.
>
> Correct. And Liar has even told us _why_ we should not take his word for it:

===============================================================
Phillips

Because there was no need for to do so. You could have easily have
verified the matter for yourself by phoning the IHR and either ordering
the book or else asking them to confirm that they have it. HAVE YOU DONE
THIS?

================================================================

Richard Phillips

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ipm wrote:

>
> steve wolk wrote:
>
> > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > >
> > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > yet?

========================================================================
Phillips

He's SO queer that a three-dollar bill in his hand becomes normal by
comparison.

=======================================================================
> > >
>

Charles Don Hall

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i...@usaor.net (ipm) wrote in <3822788C...@usaor.net>:

>
>
>Charles Don Hall wrote:
>
>> i...@usaor.net (ipm) wrote in <3821AFDA...@usaor.net>:
>>
>> >No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there
>> >must be an original. I want to see the original that was apparently
>> >forged!
>>
>> OK, I see where you're confused. It turns out that it's possible to have
>> a forgery without an original.
>>
>> Suppose I carved a statue and then passed it off as something from the
>> Roman Empire. It would be considered a "forgery"...even if I hadn't been
>> copying any particular Roman statue or imitating the style of any
>> particular Roman sculptor.
>
>No, I think that would simply be called a fake. I never heard the Protocols
>referred to as being fake. Its always called a forgery.

The words "forgery" and "fake" are almost synonyms. My dictionary defines
"fake" as "Having a false or misleading appearance; fraudulent", and "forgery"
as "Something counterfeit, forged, or fraudulent".

Since the "Protocols" is fraudulent, it can be said to be both a forgery and a
fake.

But dictionaries only give you a general idea of how a word can be used; they
miss a lot of the nuances. In common usage, a "forged book" is a book that's
fraudulently attributed to the wrong author. A "fake book" is more likely to
describe something that isn't a book at...like maybe a jewelry safe concealed
inside a book cover.

It's not that big a deal, though. If you want to say that the "Protocols" are a
fake, then I don't think anyone will complain.


>Its almost like
>someone knows there's an original floating around somewhere and that explains
>the very specific and consistant terminology. Just speculating.

Having a vivid imagination is good. Just try not to get too carried away.

steve wolk

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Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > > >
> > > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > > yet?
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > Phillips
> > >
> > > I have remarked several times that it is Jeffrey's misfortune that he
> > > was not of adult years during World War II as he would certainly have
> > > had a brilliant career in the govt's morale department. I can see one of
> > > his great morale-building posters now.
> > >
> > > GIVE US THE TOOLS. WE'LL LICK 'EM.
> > >
> > > Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> > > wedding night on his stomach.
> > > Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)
> >
> > What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
> > innuendo? We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
> > life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.
> >
> > Steve
>
> ===========================================================
> Phillips
>
> Neither one. It's a case of having a superb memory for jokes (and
> consequently a huge fund of them)


When will you share one of these with us?

and no hesitation about using it at
> Brown's expense.
>


Really? All I have heard has been a lot of barking and whining, much
the same as one hears from ipm or my 5 dogs.

Steve
> ==========================================
> >

steve wolk

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ipm wrote:

>
> steve wolk wrote:
>
> > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > >
> > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > yet?
> > >
> >
> > It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
> > his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
> > him/it as a homosexual. Willi took a little longer than average but has
> > finally arrived at his goal. Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
> > for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.


>

> Strange thing is that for all the fags which your ilk claims infest White Nationalist
> groups, I have never met one in over eight years of being a member of the National
> Alliance. The only certified queer that I've really ever heard about was that Jew Frank
> Cohen who infiltrated the Chicago Nazi group back in the 1970s. Cohen was messing with
> young boys and when his membership found out they turned him over to the police.
>
> --
> Regards,
> ipm


Then you certainly haven't been reading all the posts in ar. Does the
name "Secret Squirrel" ring a bell? Or do you think that there are not
homosexuals who think as strangely as you do? If you go camping with
the brotherhood in Idaho next year, maybe Secret Squirrel will introduce
himself to you when you drop your soap in the shower.

Steve

Steve

steve wolk

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Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > >
> > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > yet?
> > >
> >
> > It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
> > his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
> > him/it as a homosexual. Willi took a little longer than average but has
> > finally arrived at his goal. Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
> > for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.
> >
> > Steve
>
> =======================================================================
> Phillips
>
> And in a not dissimilar fashion will a liberal seize upon the statement
> of a hated opponent that he (the opponent) is prudently storing certain
> essentials (eg toilet paper) against the possibility of shortages
> arising from Y2K disruptions, and thereafter use it as the basis of
> inanities which, given his delusions of cleverness, he really imagines
> pass muster as jokes.
>
> FYI, Jeffrey Brown, is a piece of walking excrement who has no
> discernible right to exist.


That's odd. I would have bet that this is your self-description. Let's
see how many people think YOU are the piece of walking excrement
(wrapped in Y2K commemorative toilet paper - you were the one who
brought up the Y2K t.p., by the way; if you think that idiotic
disclosures should not be made the butt of jokes in this ng, just say
so.

Steve
>
> =======================================================

Richard Phillips

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steve wolk wrote:
>
> Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > steve wolk wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ipm wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > > > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> > > > >
> > > > > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > > > > yet?
> > > >
> > > > ============================================================
> > > > Phillips
> > > >
> > > > I have remarked several times that it is Jeffrey's misfortune that he
> > > > was not of adult years during World War II as he would certainly have
> > > > had a brilliant career in the govt's morale department. I can see one of
> > > > his great morale-building posters now.
> > > >
> > > > GIVE US THE TOOLS. WE'LL LICK 'EM.
> > > >
> > > > Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> > > > wedding night on his stomach.
> > > > Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)
> > >
> > > What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
> > > innuendo? We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
> > > life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > ===========================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > Neither one. It's a case of having a superb memory for jokes (and
> > consequently a huge fund of them)
>
> When will you share one of these with us?

=========================================================
Phillips

What did the lynch mob say after I managed to break away and scramble
onto the moving freight train?

"Y'all come back."

==============================================================

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3823462F...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi

Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <3822A1FA...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <381EDACD...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In article <381E6356...@mediaone.net>, Admitted Liar and Nazi
>> >> >> Wannabe Richard Philllips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>> > [...deletia...]
>>
>> >> >> >THe book exists. I have seen it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a
>> physical copy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> JGB
>> >
>>
>====================================================================================
>> >Phillips
>> >
>> >Am I, indeed. Well, a precis of the book may be found on Page 17 of the
>> >catalog of the Noontide Press which lists it as item # 0116. But there's
>> >no reason why you should take my word for it.
>>
>> Correct. And Liar has even told us _why_ we should not take his word for it:
>
>===============================================================
>Phillips
>
>Because there was no need for to do so.

Nope. This is why:


"...[Y]ou have never presented the necessary physical evidence. And
without physical evidece it just does not fly."


-- From: Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net>
-- Subject: Re: Liar Philllips still thinks someone
is going to play his game
-- Date: Sat, 08 May 1999
-- Message-ID: <37345C20...@mediaone.net>

>You could have easily have


>verified the matter for yourself by phoning the IHR and either ordering
>the book or else asking them to confirm that they have it.

But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
and another set for everyone else. Silly me...

Mixmaster

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On 5-Nov-1999, Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:

> > > [...deletia...]

> > >> >> >THe book exists. I have seen it.

> > >> >> You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a
> > >> >> physical copy.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> JGB

> ============


> > >Phillips
> > >
> > >Am I, indeed. Well, a precis of the book may be found on Page 17 of the
> > >catalog of the Noontide Press which lists it as item # 0116. But there's
> > >no reason why you should take my word for it.

> > Correct. And Liar has even told us _why_ we should not take his word for it:

The reason why is because he made it easy to check for one's self!
You're just as ridiculous and childish in your refutations as
I remebered you Brown.

> ==============
> Phillips
>
> Because there was no need for to do so. You could have easily have


> verified the matter for yourself by phoning the IHR and either ordering

> the book or else asking them to confirm that they have it. HAVE YOU DONE
> THIS?

Richard don't confuse Jeffrey with logic. Logic is beyond his grasp.
He will see what he wants to see and he will ignore anything which
contradicts his own prejudices. I kill filed him over a month ago and
I have not missed his jabber. He only wants to waste your time.

Your friend,
Doc Tavish
--
"What sort of truth is it that needs protection?" - Auberon Waugh
The London Daily Telegraph, May 9, 1992
<http://x47.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=210603188&fmt=text>


steve wolk

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Henny Youngman you ain't.

Steve

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
> Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
> and another set for everyone else. Silly me...

Brown, are you a queer?

--
Regards,
ipm

Buck Turgidson

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ipm wrote:

> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
> > Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
> > and another set for everyone else. Silly me...
>
> Brown, are you a queer?

You seem a tad obsessed, Red. I cannot help but question why that might be. You know,
the common wisdom is that the worst homophobes are usually repressed homosexuals
themselves. Care to try to disprove that?


-- --Dep

"Always tell the truth. It's the § "Truth is just...truth. You can't
easiest thing to remember." § have opinions about truth."
--David Mamet --Peter Schickele

Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html


ipm

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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> >
> > > But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
> > > Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
> > > and another set for everyone else. Silly me...
> >
> > Brown, are you a queer?
>
> You seem a tad obsessed, Red. I cannot help but question why that might be. You know,
> the common wisdom is that the worst homophobes are usually repressed homosexuals
> themselves. Care to try to disprove that?

I really don't think I'm a homophobe. I don't approve of homosexual activity, but I don't
hate homosexuals themselves. I'm just asking Brown whether he's queer. If its no big deal
he should just say yes or no. However, I'm interpreting his avoidance in answering as a
"yes."

These Nizkooks are always wanting personal info on everybody. I think the least they can
do is make their own info available.

Fledgist

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>
>
>
>
>
>"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
>> But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
>> Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
>> and another set for everyone else. Silly me...
>
>Brown, are you a queer?
>
>--
>Regards,
>ipm

Interesting question. Are you planning to ask him on a date?


Fragano Ledgister
(Fled...@aol.com)
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!

Gord McFee

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In <38219C3C...@mediaone.net>, on Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:46:20 -0500,
Richard Phillips <rgph...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> Sara wrote:


> >
> > In article <38214485...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> >
> > > steve wolk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > > >

> > > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > > >
> > > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> > >
> > > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> > >
> >
> > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>
> =============================================================
> Phillips
>
> I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> pronouncement of that sort.

Do you think they might have been written by mean old vampires?

> What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of
> much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
> much the manner that the Protocols projected.

No they haven't.

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3825EC02...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
>> In article <382525D2...@calweb.com>, rick markell
>> <mar...@calweb.com> wrote:
>>
>> > So you think it is a "smear" to call someone a homosexual?
>>
>> That is how the Mighty Whitey Power Rangers use it.
>
>Brown, why do you avoid answering whether you're a homosexual? Can we
>assume that your silence is a "yes?"

And why would you do that, Williworm -- except to smear someone?

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3825EC02...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <382525D2...@calweb.com>, rick markell
> >> <mar...@calweb.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > So you think it is a "smear" to call someone a homosexual?
> >>
> >> That is how the Mighty Whitey Power Rangers use it.
> >
> >Brown, why do you avoid answering whether you're a homosexual? Can we
> >assume that your silence is a "yes?"
>
> And why would you do that, Williworm -- except to smear someone?

No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.

Buck Turgidson

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ipm wrote:

> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > In article <3825EC02...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> >
> > >"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <382525D2...@calweb.com>, rick markell
> > >> <mar...@calweb.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > So you think it is a "smear" to call someone a homosexual?
> > >>
> > >> That is how the Mighty Whitey Power Rangers use it.
> > >
> > >Brown, why do you avoid answering whether you're a homosexual? Can we
> > >assume that your silence is a "yes?"
> >
> > And why would you do that, Williworm -- except to smear someone?
>
> No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.

What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold of a good
baseless slander, you just can't put it down. Would you like to explain how you feel
this enhances your credibility?

ipm

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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
>
> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold of a good
> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.

How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it? That's all I'm
asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked if he was
because I've heard that rumor.

Kenneth McVay OBC

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In article <3827A27B...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?
>That's all I'm
>asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked
>if he was
>because I've heard that rumor.

There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?

I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
if he did because I've heard that rumour.

Sexual preference isn't anyone's business but one's partner's, Mr.
Scott. The fact that you might be more than a little amorous with
sheep has no bearing upon your bankrupt political views... they're
bankrupt no matter who you like to diddle.

That being the case, why don't you quit with the innuendo and see if
you can deal with FACTUAL DATA instead? You know, like addressing your
recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
immigrants a year....

I don't care who you diddle, Red, I just want to hear you explain your
lies.

--
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Search: http://www.nizkor.org/search.html
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Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <38277FCA...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
>> In article <3825EC02...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott
<i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <382525D2...@calweb.com>, rick markell
>> >> <mar...@calweb.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So you think it is a "smear" to call someone a homosexual?
>> >>
>> >> That is how the Mighty Whitey Power Rangers use it.
>> >
>> >Brown, why do you avoid answering whether you're a homosexual? Can we
>> >assume that your silence is a "yes?"
>>
>> And why would you do that, Williworm -- except to smear someone?
>

>No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.

And how does your unfounded assumption do that, Williworm?

While you're at it, kindly demonstrate that I am in any way a "Nizkorite".
Unlike the last person you used that word to describe, I don't have a web
page that links to Nizkor. What's your flimsy excuse this time, Williworm?

Gord McFee

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In <catamont-041...@ts013d40.den-co.concentric.net>, on 04 Nov
1999 15:49:22 PST, cata...@concentric.net (Sara) wrote:

> In article <17588-38...@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> Merk...@webtv.net (John Carlo) wrote:
>
> > The truth about the Jews will oneday be known. JC
>
> Ahh... another WebTV genius!

Then it's the first one we have ever seen. :-)

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3827A27B...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Buck Turgidson wrote:
>
>> ipm wrote:
>>

>> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
>>

>> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold
of a good
>> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.
>

>How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?

It's baseless because you have no facts on which to base the assumption,
Williworm.

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A27B...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> >> ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
> >>
> >> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold
> of a good
> >> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.
> >
> >How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?
>
> It's baseless because you have no facts on which to base the assumption,
> Williworm.

Well, then just answer the question: Are you a homosexual? A "yes" or a "no" is all
that's required to end the discussion.

ipm

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3827A27B...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?

> >That's all I'm
> >asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked
> >if he was
> >because I've heard that rumor.
>
> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?

No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?


> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
> if he did because I've heard that rumour.

The rumor is not true.


> Sexual preference isn't anyone's business but one's partner's, Mr.
> Scott. The fact that you might be more than a little amorous with
> sheep has no bearing upon your bankrupt political views... they're
> bankrupt no matter who you like to diddle.

Why so concerned about privacy all of a sudden, McVay? You never seemed
concerned before. You were eager to obtain anything you could on your
political opponents and then spread it on the Net. You're a miserable
hypocrite of the lowest order.

> That being the case, why don't you quit with the innuendo and see if
> you can deal with FACTUAL DATA instead?

That's what I'm trying to do. Get to the facts. That's why I'm asking
Jeffery Brown if he is in fact a homosexual. Only he can confirm or deny
that rumor, just as I denied the rumor that I had sex with taxicabs.

> You know, like addressing your
> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
> immigrants a year....

I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
decade can certainly be described as "flooding." Of course, I realize that
to a liberal, anti-White mind like your's no amount of non-white immigration
is too much, so the concept of a city being "flooded with immigrants" is
totally incomprehensible to you.

This point is only an aside to the main point, which you have conveniently
avoid, that Jews have been almost unanimously in support of open borders and
non-white immigration and played an important role in changing our
immigration policy from one that maintained the racial balance to one which
guarantees Whites will become a minority. That case has been made powerfully
by Dr. MacDonald and his books on Jewish impact on immigration policy:

http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html

Fledgist

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>
>"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
>> In article <3827A27B...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
>> >
>> >> ipm wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
>> >>
>> >> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold
>> of a good
>> >> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.
>> >
>> >How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?
>>
>> It's baseless because you have no facts on which to base the assumption,
>> Williworm.
>
>Well, then just answer the question: Are you a homosexual? A "yes" or a "no"
>is all
>that's required to end the discussion.
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>ipm


What business is it of yours?

Kenneth McVay OBC

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In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

>> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
>> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
>> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?
>
>No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
>sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
>just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?

I don't believe you. I think you have sex with taxicabs, and deny it
from the embarrassment of being outed.

>> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
>> if he did because I've heard that rumour.
>
>The rumor is not true.

Prove it, Mr. Scott, and quit living in denial.

>> Sexual preference isn't anyone's business but one's partner's, Mr.
>> Scott. The fact that you might be more than a little amorous with
>> sheep has no bearing upon your bankrupt political views... they're
>> bankrupt no matter who you like to diddle.
>
>Why so concerned about privacy all of a sudden, McVay? You never seemed
>concerned before. You were eager to obtain anything you could on your
>political opponents and then spread it on the Net. You're a miserable
>hypocrite of the lowest order.

Sexual preference has no bearing upon political discussions, Mr.
Scott. I don't care if you diddle sheep all weekend, it doesn't make
you any less of an ass than you are already, you see?

>> That being the case, why don't you quit with the innuendo and see if
>> you can deal with FACTUAL DATA instead?
>
>That's what I'm trying to do. Get to the facts. That's why I'm asking
>Jeffery Brown if he is in fact a homosexual. Only he can confirm or deny
>that rumor, just as I denied the rumor that I had sex with taxicabs.

You lied about the taxicabs, as you have lied about your name, your
ham license, Senator Kennedy, and those non-existent American cities
you claimed had been "flooded with over a million immigrants a year."

>> You know, like addressing your
>> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
>> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
>> immigrants a year....
>
>I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
>decade can certainly be described as "flooding." Of course, I realize that
>to a liberal, anti-White mind like your's no amount of non-white immigration
>is too much, so the concept of a city being "flooded with immigrants" is
>totally incomprehensible to you.

"I would say" cuts no slack around here, Mr. Scott. Prove it, using
government census data. Go ahead, cite the data.

>This point is only an aside to the main point, which you have conveniently
>avoid, that Jews have been almost unanimously in support of open borders and
>non-white immigration and played an important role in changing our
>immigration policy from one that maintained the racial balance to one which
>guarantees Whites will become a minority. That case has been made powerfully
>by Dr. MacDonald and his books on Jewish impact on immigration policy:

The main point, Mr. Scott, is that you lied about it. Until you
explain your penchant for such whoppers, there isn't any _other_
point.

Now tell us why you lied about having sex with exhaust pipes, Mr.
Scott... sounds pretty disgusting to me.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> [...deletia...]

>> You know, like addressing your
>> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
>> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
>> immigrants a year....
>
>I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
>decade can certainly be described as "flooding."

You made a specific claim, Williworm. Can you back it up or not? Which
American city has been "flooded" with over a million immigrants a year?

ipm

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>

> >> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
> >> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
> >> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?
> >
> >No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
> >sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
> >just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?
>
> I don't believe you. I think you have sex with taxicabs, and deny it
> from the embarrassment of being outed.
>
> >> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
> >> if he did because I've heard that rumour.
> >
> >The rumor is not true.
>
> Prove it, Mr. Scott, and quit living in denial.

You've got more shit than a Christmas goose.

Here, read something that will do you some good.


JEWS AND THEIR DISPROPORTIONATE INVOLVEMENT IN COMMUNISM (Rev. 1.8)
Ian McKinney

One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian Revolution" of
1917 is that Jews constituted the majority of the Bolshevik leadership and were
found in very disproportionate numbers in other Marxist regimes across eastern
Europe. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone
who brings up these facts as an "anti-Semite" or "hatemonger", it remains
undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary
movement.

First, it is a fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew because
"on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical
families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew
is of no significant importance in this discussion, since Jewishness is not
defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. The Jews themselves argue almost
constantly over what makes one a Jew. Nonetheless, a great bulk of Jews today
would probably identify themselves as atheists or agnostics, but also nonetheless
consider themselves Jews. Regardless of interpretations, Marx was from an
undeniably Jewish family and his children "retained or regained a sense of Jewish
identity" according to Benjamin Ginsberg in "The Fatal Embarce - Jews and the
State", in which he then goes on to conclude: "Marx took little pride in his
Jewishness. He must be considered a prime candidate for that problematic category
with Lasalle and Heine, of the self-hating Jew." Marx was of indisputable Jewish
ancestry, perhaps "self-hating" Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.


GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede that
Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any otherwise significant
Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the communist-Jewish connection as
clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of
Russia, which clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following
quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general in
Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling
growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5, 1918
by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town
consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 1,
1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey Shuyler:
"It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik
movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and controlled by Russian
Jews of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on the
make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384 `commissars'
including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300
JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since
the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was married to
the suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered by a former
Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have been least 25%
Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) leader of the Russian Revolution, was
architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.
Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -
as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government.
Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern),
the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent
Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld),
Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky head of the Commisary for the Constituent
Assembly.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks, the
percentage of Jews was even grater. It was led by Theodore Dan, Julius Martov
(Zederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all Jews. Likewise,
the two other principle Marxist factions in conflict with the Bolsheviks and who
often sided with the Mensheviks, were Rosa Luxembrg's Polish Social Democrats
(Luxemberg, a Jew, was one of the top Marxist agitators later who worked with
another Marxist Jew, Karl Liebnecht, in revolutionary activities in Germany until
1919, when both were assassinated by German Freikorps militiamen.) and the
revolutionary Jewish Bund.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none other
than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely circulated Russian
postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian Revolution" in his book on Stalin.
The postcard pictures the following persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and
married to a suspected Jewess), Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew),
Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky (gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918
dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90
percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social
revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless
Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or
another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who
have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the
existing order of things."

Now, as in just about any kind of suppressed history, occasionally the truth
leaks out. So far the Jews in the Establishment media mainly, have been pretty
successful at preventing widespread knowledge of their involvement in Marxism.
Nonetheless, every now and then a book unavoidably does get published that
discloses things the Jews would rather remain hidden from public view. For
example, in the Sunday Telegraph (London, England: Nov. 18, 1990) the question
was asked, "Why then has it (Winter in Moscow) never been republished? The answer
may lie in Muggeridge's handling of what was then called the 'Jewish
question.'...Winter in Moscow is acutely concerned with Jews...It was of course
the case that a very disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks were Jews
and thus of commissars and apparatchiki..."


EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context, here's
three full paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former superintendent of the
Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda Hearing Before the
Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th
Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of Trotsky
(Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side of New York. Some
of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up
to me and seemed very much pleased that there was somebody who could speak
English, and their broken English showed that they had not qualified as being
Americas. A number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became
evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its
bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest startling information,
given me by someone with good authority, startling information, is this, that in
December, 1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the
section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum
(Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution of
the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on the benches and soap
boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often remarked to my sister,
'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time
we had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a restriction against
having Jews in Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most
of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over Petrograd,
we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big posters and
everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that was to be one of the
great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not take kindly to it."

Even as recently as 1965, a study by the US Senate Judiciary Committee of
anti-Jewish policies of the Soviet government at that time entitled "The Soviet
Empire, A Study of Discrimination and Abuse of Power" revealed that before WW2 a
whopping 41.1% of the members of the entire Supreme Soviet had been Jews despite
being a mere 2% of the population.


TOP JEWISH BANKER FINANCED THEM

Not only were Jews represented in amazing numbers among the Marxist
revolutionaries, but the most wealthy Jewish bankers gave loans and other
financing. In the New York Journal-American of Feburary 3, 1949 society columnist
Cholly Knickerbocker revealed that Jacob Schiff's grandson, a prominent member of
New York society at that time, revealed that his grandfather firm Kuhn, Loeb
"sank" $20 million dollars into the "final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."
Schiff's early and generous financial aid to the Bolsheviks is also confirmed in
the Jewish Communal Register of New York City for 1917-1918.


THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some opponents might automatically assume that the preceding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unconvincing, but they'd be wrong. Here's a few
Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish
dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the
world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish
brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the
world." (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews
are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest
ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919)

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders.
We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have been at the bottom not merely of
the latest great war but of all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every
other major revolution in your history." (Marcus Eli Ravage, Century Magazine,
January-February 1928).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party
was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population."
(Stuart Kahan (grandson of Lazar Kagaonvich), The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

"We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who have
posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having given it the
Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its
incendiaries, its executioners..." (Dr. Oscar Levy, preface to the book The World
Significance of the Russian Revolution by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford
University)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and
Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and
their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on "Communism" by
Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

ANTI-SEMITISM MADE A CAPITAL OFFENSE

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called
"anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of
racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism...under USSR law
active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works,
vol. 13, p. 30).

JEWISH-LED SECRET POLICE MURDER MILLIONS

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a
horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one
operation alone, they deliberately starved to death 8 to 15 million Ukranian
gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history
orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and the most powerful Jew in the USSR,
Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich certainly wasn't the only Jew involved:
"[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka
agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.
Veteran Chicago Tribune Baltic correspondant, Donald Day, exposed yet another
Jew: "Artemic Bagratovich Khalatov (Jewish) headed that branch of the Cheka which
organized the food supply of the Soviets. He organized the punitive expeditions
of the Cheka which confiscated the grain and foodstuffs from the peasants. A
policy whose direct result was the great famine of 1920-21."

The prominance of Jews in Soviet secret police agencies was not isolated to the
Unkraine, Benjamin Ginsberg discusses this in his 1994 book "The Fatal Embrace -
Jews and the State": "During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews were a major element in
the secret police and other Soviet security forces. Genrikh Yagoda, for instance,
served as chief of the secret police during the 1930s. Yagoda had been a
pharmacist before the Revolution and specialized in preparing poisons for his
agents to use in liquidating Stalin's opponents.

Ginsberg continues in the next paragraph by describing how Jews greatly expanded
and organized the murderous Soviet Gulag prison system: "Other high-ranking
Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali Frenkel who helped to
expand and institutionalize the slave labor system. Slave laborers working under
Frenkel's supervision built the White-Sea Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as
200,000 workers perished while completing this project. Another Jewish security
officer, K. V. Pauker, served as chief of operations of the secret police in the
1930s. Lev lnzhir was chief accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the
special secret police department that conducted the purges of the 1930s. In what
came to be called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass arrests, trials, and
executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish secret policemen, A. A.
Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of Soviet terror and espionage abroad
during the 1930s. Jews were also important in the Red Army. In addition to
Trotsky, prominent Jewish generals included Yona Yakir, who was a member of the
Communist party central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil war hero and commander
of the Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the defense of Moscow during the
Second World War."

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 80 million persons were murdered
in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands
of Jews at the order of Jewish Communist secret police bosses using execution,
starvation, assassination, and the Gulag slave labor prisons.

JOSEPH STALIN'S JEWISH CONNECTIONS

Although there's occasional claims that Stalin himself was of Jewish ancestry, I
have found no evidence so far to support that, however, there's no doubt that
Stalin had many Jewish connections through marriage. Most notably Stalin's third
wife was Rosa Kaganovich, was a sister of his right hand man, Lazar Kaganovich,
mentioned in the preceding paragraph. Also Stalin's daughter, Svetlana, married
Mihail Kaganovich, son of Lazar in 1951. Stalin's son, Vassili, married Svetlana
Molotov, the half-Jewish daughter of then vice-premier Molotov, whose wife was a
sister to Jewish businessman Sam Karp of the Karp Export-Import Co. of
Bridgeport, Conn. (The preceding information was drawn from a July 15, 1951
Associated Press article "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed" and a July 14, 1941 Life
magazine article highlighting the Kaganovich family.)


OTHER JEWISH-MARXIST REGIMES

GERMANY(BAVARIA)

In the aftermath of WW1, Communists staged an ultimately unsucessful takeover of
Germany, which only succeded in gaining control of Bavaria for a short time. From
"The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State": "Among the most vehement opponents of
the Socialist provisional government was the German Communist party, whose
leadership also included a number of Jews. In 1919, under the direction of party
chief Paul Levi, the KPD staged a revolt against the Socialist provisional
government. One of the most prominent leaders of this revolt was Rosa Luxemburg,
who was later captured and murdered by rightist paramilitary forces. Jews were
also among the leaders of the Communist government that the KPD briefly
established in Bavaria after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugene Levine was head of
the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer was its commissar for
propaganda and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller commanded its "red army." This
regime was crushed in May 1919 by free corps forces."

Of Kurt Eisner, John Toland comments in his book, "Adolf Hitler": "In Munich
another insurrection broke out on November 7. It was led by Kurt Eisner, a small
elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as it was, couldn't contain a
shock of wild hair. Especially untidy, he was a living cartoon of the
bomb-throwing Red."

HUNGARY

Jewish preponderance was evident outside of Russia and first became obvious
during the short-lived Marxist takeover of Hungary in the spring of 1919 led by
the Jew, Bela Kuhn (Cohen) and a group of mostly Jewish revolutionaries. The
political murders, suppression and communizing of the country's industrial and
agricultural resources, which produced a famine in the cities, combined with the
peasantry's antipathy for the Jews, resulted in Kuhn's eventual overthrow after
only three months. In an amazingly frank report, the "New International Year
Book of 1919 (Dodd, Mead, Co., page 587) has summarized the situation: "One of
the chief weaknesses in the new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the country
districts the feeling was widespread that the revolution had been a movement on
the part of the Jews to seize the power for themselves, and the remark was
frequently heard that if the Jews of Budapest died of starvation, so much the
better for the rest of the country. The government of Bela Kun was composed
almost exclusively of Jews who held also the administrative offices."

Bela Kuhn was deposed and interned in a lunatic asylum. Eventually he was
released and returned to Russia where he assumed control of the Cheka secret
police in southern Russia.

In 1945, with then end of the war Hungary fell under the control of the USSR,
Matyas Rakosi, another Jew, was installed as supreme dictator with two other
Jews, Erno Gero and Zoltan Vas in the number two and three positions. This is
confirmed by John Gunther in his book "Behind the Iron Cutain." Rakosi was an
intimate of Stalin, knew Lenin, and was a commissar under Bela Kuhn.

According to Benjamin Ginsberg, other powerful Jews in Hungary were Peter Gabor
who commanded the secret police and Joseph Revai as minister of culture and chief
party propagandist. Jews also headed the state planning office, the ministry
controlling industry and commerce, and Radio Hungary.

ROMANIA

The Jewess, Anna Pauker, became dictator of Romania from 1947 to 1952. She also
served as minister of foreign affairs in Poland and East Germany. Anna was born
in Bucharest of orthodox Jewish parents. Her father (who was a Kosher butcher)
and a brother lived in Israel. Anna earned a living for a time teaching Hebrew.
For a period she lived in the U.S. Her husband ultimately became identified as a
"Troskyite," and was executed in one of Stalin's purges. During the early 1950s
Anna Pauker was one of the most powerful figures in the communist world.

YUGOSLAVIA

The only non-Jewish dictator behind the Iron Curtain in the years immediately
following WW2 was Tito of Yugoslavia, a fact which probably explains his revolt
against the Kremlin. But Tito was tutored by the Jew, Mosa Pljade. Says John
Gunther of Pijade: "He is Tito's mentor . . . Whatever idealogical structure Tito
may have, he got from this shrewd old man."

POLAND

Poland has shared the tragic fate of Hungary. The men who dominated Poland in the
years just after WW2 were the Jews, Mine, Skryesiewski, Modielewski, and Berman.
The first three are of cabinet rank, while Jacob Berman's official position is
that of Under-Secretary of State - a minor office, Yet it was actually Jacob
Berman who was the undisputed boss of Poland. Berman, a product of the Warsaw
ghetto, had lived in Russia, and was installed as dictator over Poland when the
Russian armies took over the country. He preferred to work behind the scenes as
much as possible - a device frequently used to hide the Jewishness of communism,
Poland's Jewish bureaucracy was perhaps the largest of any Iron Curtain country
outside of Russia proper. Although Jews comprised less than 3% of the total
population behind the Iron Curtain, they occupied virtually every position of
authority.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA

The secretary-general of the communist party in Czechoslovakia, whom John Sunther
identifies as a Jew, was Rudolph Slansky. Like the other satellite dictators, he
was placed in command when the communists took over in the aftermath of WW2,
Slansky, incidentally, was eventually purged by the party. On page 10 of the Dec.
10th Quick magazine Stansky is identified as the "former Red Boss" of
Czechoslavakia, but he is not identified as a Jew.

John Gunther summarizes in "Behind the Iron Curtain" on the Jewish roles in the
years immediately after WW2 and through the 1950s: "Jews play a very prominent
role in several governments....The three "Muscovites" who run Hungary are Jews,
the men who dominate Poland are Jews, the secretary general of the Communist
party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew, Anna Pauker of Rumania is a Jewess."


POST WW2 SOVIET ESPIONAGE OVERWHELMINGLY JEWISH

During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were conducted against
communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the most well-know cases which
demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of Jews in communist activities
against the United States.

AMERASIA CASE

In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 1700 highly classified
State Department documents. Three of the six were Jews:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist paper,
"Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.


ALGER HISS CASE

Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most influential men in the State
Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a protege of Jewish Supreme Court
Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite Frankfurter's court appearance as a character
witness in the high profile case, Hiss was convicted of perjury and sentenced to
five years.


GERHARD EISLER CASE

Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever brought
to trial, was the secret boss of the communist party between 1935 and 1947. In
May of 1950, while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the
propaganda chief of communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist
agent for a number of years.


HOLLYWOOD TEN

In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted of
contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.


AMERICAN POLITBURO

The case exposed the fact that at least six of eleven members of the National
Secretariat of the American Communist Party were Jewish. Those identified as Jews
were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green (real
name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving Potash, and
Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real name, Waldron), Robert
Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.


FUCHS-GOLD SPY RING

Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was brought to America at the
personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While working on the Manhattan Project,
Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon
information obtained from Fuchs during interrogations after his arrest, the FBI
began investigations which resulted in the arrest of nine other members of the
spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted, eight were Jewish:

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950, pleaded
guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her husband
and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with secret
information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and synthetic rubber.
He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole the highly secret proximity fuse
and delivered it intact to the Soviets. He also aided in the theft of many other
atomic secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death in the famous case.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She was the
sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed on June 19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was convicted of
conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty years.

(Milton Friedman, columnist, in the California Jewish Voice, on August 18, 1950,
spoke of "Headlines about Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Maskowitz, and other Jews accused of spying
for Russia.")

It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation was
Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist agent by
former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but married to a
Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.


SECOND STRING POLITBURO

After the convictions of the first-string, "American Politburo", a second-string
was scheduled to take over the communist operations. In 1951, the Justice
Department indicted the whole group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of
which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George Charney,
Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel, Alexander Trachenberg,
Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine, William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia Jones, were
negroes.


THE ROUND UP

On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party officials on the West
Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were arrested on the East Coast. All
were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested
on the West Coast, six were identified as Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank Spector, Al
Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:

Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.


ADDITIONAL CASES AND JEWISH PERSONS

Dr. Sidney Weinbaum, Russian-born Jewish scientist at Caltech in 1950, was
indicted in Los Angeles in June of that year on eight counts of perjury and fraud
against the government in connection with loyalty procedures. Richard B. Hood,
head of the Los Angeles FBI office, was quoted as saying that Weinbaum had been
"a member of the Los Angeles Professional Unit No. 122 of the Communist Party,
under the name of Sydney Empson." (Los Angeles Examiner, June 3, 1950, p. 3)
Another Caltech scientist, Dr. Jacob W. Dubnoff, also Jewish, was "ordered before
Federal Judge James M. Carter after refusing to answer questions before a special
session of a Federal Grand Jury."

Philip Bart, also Jewish, general manager of the Daily Worker, official organ of
the Communist Party, refused to testify about Communist activities. He told the
House Committee on Un-American Activities "it was none of their business what his
name was before he legally changed it to Bart," according to an INS dispatch of
June 21. (Such data, for some strange reason, was kept secret in New York City,
which has often, over the years, been referred to as the Jewish Capital of
America and the World) Bart was cited on August 11, 1950, by the House for
contempt of Congress.

Judith Coplon, a convicted spy for the Communist government of Russia, had an
important position in the Department of Justice. Judith was also Jewish.

Jakob Golos, who died early in World War II, was identified by ex-Communist
Elizabeth Bentley as the head of a Communist espionage ring in which she, George
Silverman and others allegedly operated.

The once mysterious "Scientist X" was identified by the House Committee on
Un-American Activities as Dr. Joseph Weinberg, a University of Minnesota staff
member. In its report on atomic espionage issued September, 1949, the Committee
told in vivid detail how Weinberg went to the house of "Steve Nelson," then a
member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, and volunteered to give
him information on the atomic bomb, and how he later evidently carried out his
promise in a furtive meeting with a vice consul of the Russian embassy. Weinberg
was Jewish. We do not know the racial identity of Nelson, but the House Committee
revealed his real name to be Mesarosh.

That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in the 1950's.
It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, and
Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced their affiliations with the
communist party and provided valuable information that lead to investigations and
convictions. Not coincidentally, all three of these former communists were
married to Jews.

CONCLUSION

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist
connection is discussed? While it is true that in the very upper and most
conspicuous leadership positions Jews were reduced gradually after WW2, the
Soviet espionage apparatus and lower levels of the bureaucracy remained heavy
with Jews until the collapse of the USSR in the late 1980s. Because of this fact
anti-Jewish feelings are high in Russia and many of the former Soviet Bloc
countries today. Many people associate Jews with the worst abuses of the Soviet
System and for good reason. The evidence is very powerful of Jewish involvement
in nearly every manifestation of Marxism for seventy years both in the USSR and
elsewhere in the West. But curiously, unlike their "holocaust", this is one
historical area where Jews are eager to forget and hope everybody else will do
likewise! After all, how does their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with
the Jew's fraudulent propaganda image of themselves as perpetually inoffensive,
honest, and unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
"holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known? Consider
the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


There is much more available information for those interested in the whole story,
but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a handy reference whenever the
undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged. (This information is
provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE NETWORK
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/)


BIBLIOGRAPHY

The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

Associated Press, "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed", July 15, 1951.

Frank Britton, Behind Communism.

Encyc. Britannica "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Vol. III

Donald Day, "Onward Christian Soldiers", Noontide Press, 1985

Benjamin Ginsberg, "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State", University of
Chicago Press, 1994.

Stuart Kahan, "The Wolf of the Kremlin"

Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919

John Gunther, "Behind the Iron Curtain", Harper Bros., 1951

Life magazine, "Kaganovich", July 14, 1941

George Pitts-Rivers, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution", Oxford
University

John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", Anchor Books, 1992.

Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton. The Rosenberg File. Yale University Press. New
Haven and London. 1997. ISBN 0-300-07205-8

Marcus Eli Ravage, "Commissary to the Gentiles", Century Magazine,
January-February 1928

William Shirer, "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich", Cresent Books, 1994.

Joseph Stalin, "Collected Works"

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918

State Department document 861.00/2205 sent July 5, 1918

Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov. Special Tasks. Little, Brown and Company. New York.
1995. ISBN 0-316-82115-2

Quick magazine, "A Czech Purge", December 1951.

Universal Jewish Encyc., Vol.VII

Maj. Robert H. Williams. Know Your Enemy.

--
Regards,
ipm
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"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com

Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html

ipm

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>

> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> You know, like addressing your
> >> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
> >> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
> >> immigrants a year....
> >
> >I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
> >decade can certainly be described as "flooding."
>
> You made a specific claim, Williworm. Can you back it up or not? Which
> American city has been "flooded" with over a million immigrants a year?
>

Are you a fudge-packer or not? Just answer the question and then I'll continue the
immigration thing.

Kenneth McVay OBC

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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In article <382907A9...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
>> In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>
>> >> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
>> >> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
>> >> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?
>> >
>> >No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
>> >sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
>> >just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?
>>
>> I don't believe you. I think you have sex with taxicabs, and deny it
>> from the embarrassment of being outed.
>>
>> >> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
>> >> if he did because I've heard that rumour.
>> >
>> >The rumor is not true.
>>
>> Prove it, Mr. Scott, and quit living in denial.
>
>You've got more shit than a Christmas goose.

Your refusal to deny having sex with taxicabs is telling, Mr. Scott.
Why don't you simply tell us the truth, come out, and get on with your
life?

While you're at it, explain the rumours concerning your affairs with
sheep. You have yet to deny this disgusting habit.. why is that, Mr.
Scott?

Kenneth McVay OBC

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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In article <38290739...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

[snip]

>Are you a fudge-packer or not? Just answer the question and then I'll
>continue the
>immigration thing.

Do you fuck sheep, Mr. Scott, or do you not? Just answer the question
and then we'll ignore your sexual psychosis.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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In article <38290739...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Just answer the question and then I'll continue the immigration thing.

Surprise! Lying bigots don't control these groups.

In article <382837D6...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> [...deletia...]

>> You know, like addressing your
>> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
>> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
>> immigrants a year....
>
>I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
>decade can certainly be described as "flooding."

You made a specific claim, Williworm. Can you back it up or not? Which
American city has been "flooded" with over a million immigrants a year?

JGB

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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In article <3827A8EC...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> [...deletia...]

>> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
>> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
>> immigrants a year.
>
>Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
absolutely true
>that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.

It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
per year since 1965?

>> No wonder he's considered a liar.
>> He can't substantiate the claimed "promise" he says a Kennedy made...
>> he won't tell us when, and he won't tell us where, but he will tell us
>> that all of those "promises" were broken.... but when pressed to prove
>> this, he caves in (again) and runs away.
>
>The statements were made by Kennedy, Javits, and Cuellar.

But you can't tell us when or where. Hmmmm....

ipm

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Your refusal to deny having sex with taxicabs is telling, Mr. Scott.
> Why don't you simply tell us the truth, come out, and get on with your
> life?
>
> While you're at it, explain the rumours concerning your affairs with
> sheep. You have yet to deny this disgusting habit.. why is that, Mr.
> Scott?

Kenny, you must really be desparate. I know my new article on Jews and Marxism has
you Nizkorites fit to be tied, but this latest round of nonsense about taxicabs is a
new low even for you.

When confronted by the truth, we all see that you run the other way. Even the Jews
think you're a waste of time and won't give you money.

ipm

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A8EC...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>

> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> >> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> >> immigrants a year.
> >
> >Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
> absolutely true
> >that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.
>
> It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
> Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
> per year since 1965?

Does the "G" in your name stand for Gay?

ipm

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <38290739...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>

> >Are you a fudge-packer or not? Just answer the question and then I'll
> >continue the
> >immigration thing.
>


> Do you fuck sheep, Mr. Scott, or do you not? Just answer the question
> and then we'll ignore your sexual psychosis.

No. I have only had intercourse with women, White women.

Kenny, are either you or Brown queer? Now you answer a question for a
change..

ipm

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <38290739...@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Just answer the question and then I'll continue the immigration thing.
>

> Surprise! Lying bigots don't control these groups.

Brown, why do you avoid admitting that you're a homosexual? Just answer and I'll
drop it.

Kenneth McVay OBC

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In article <3829CA98...@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
<i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Kenny, are either you or Brown queer? Now you answer a question for a
>change..

Explain why sexual preference has anything to do with these discussions,
Mr. Scott. (I won't answer questions about sexual preference anyway,
but I'm curious as to why you seem obsessed with the issue, much like
your ideological bedfellow Mr. Bradbury.)

Kenneth McVay OBC

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In article <3829CB06...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:

>Brown, why do you avoid admitting that you're a homosexual? Just answer and I'll
>drop it.

Do you still beat up your wife and children, Mr. Scott?

ipm

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3829CB06...@usaor.net>, ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>
> >Brown, why do you avoid admitting that you're a homosexual? Just answer and I'll
> >drop it.
>
> Do you still beat up your wife and children, Mr. Scott?

I have never beat either of them.

Kenny, do you even have a wife and children?

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