Two Arkansas Gay Men Rape & Murder 13 Year Old Boy
The Compassionate Conservative
Northwest Arkansas Online
The Morning News
by Thomas Sissom
DA Butler to seek death penalty in rape/murder case
Hearing set today on motion to seal parts of affidavit
The two men arrested Sunday in connection with the murder of a 13-year-old Prairie
Grove boy in Rogers were ordered held without bond Monday, and Prosecuting Attorney
Brad Butler said he will seek the death penalty in the capital-murder case.
"This is a very brutal and horrific crime, and we will be seeking the death penalty,"
Butler said after a hearing in Benton County Circuit Court. "We’re ready to go, ready
to file charges. Our hearts go out to the victim’s family. No one deserves to lose a
child in this manner."
Joshua Macave Brown, 22, and Davis Don Carpenter, 38, were in court Monday for a
probable-cause hearing in connection with the murder of Jesse Dirkhising.
Dirkhising was found near death at the home of the two men at 1207 W. Sunset St. in
Rogers, police said. Dirkhising was taken by ambulance to St. Mary’s Hospital in
Rogers, where he was pronounced dead at 5:32 a.m.
Brown stood staring at the floor for most of his court appearance. Carpenter, who was
seated in the jury box, had been in the courtroom for some time reading the affidavit
detailing the charges against him. As he read, Carpenter repeatedly shook his head
and muttered, "No." Members of Dirkhising’s family sat weeping, and one woman,
identified as the boy’s mother, clutched a teddy bear and a framed photograph.
At Monday’s hearing in Bentonville, Circuit Judge David Clinger agreed to consider a
request to seal parts of the affidavit of probable cause, detailing the accusations
against the men. Charles Duell, the public defender representing Brown, said
publication of the information could prevent the defendants from receiving a fair
trial. A hearing on that motion was set for 1:30 p.m. today.
Clinger allowed an edited version to be released, and Butler, along with Rogers
Police Chief Tim Keck and Sgt. Terry Woodside, discussed the information that
investigators have gathered about the events leading to the boy’s death.
According to Butler, Dirkhising had known Brown and Carpenter for several months and
had been spending weekends at their residence in Rogers. According to the affidavit,
the family believed the boy had been working at a hair-styling shop where Carpenter
worked.
Police received a 911 emergency call placed from the residence at 4:53 a.m. Sunday.
When police officers and a Rogers Fire Department ambulance arrived, a man later
identified as Carpenter met them. Carpenter, described as very upset, repeatedly told
the officers, "He’s not breathing." Dirkhising was found on the floor of a bedroom
with duct tape around one wrist. When asked about the tape, Brown reportedly told
officers they were "just playing a game." While being questioned at the scene, Brown
allegedly assaulted Cpl. Rick Simmons and was arrested.
Butler said Monday that the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler said, the boy
was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists and also was gagged and
blindfolded. Butler also said there is some evidence the boy was drugged, and a
quantity of a sedative known as amitryptiline was found at the residence.
Police found quantities of other drugs, including suspected methamphetamine, along
with items commonly used in sexual bondage. Notes making reference to various sex
acts and the use of pills and duct tape also were found at the residence.
Butler said the two men raped Dirkhising at least six times. Each was charged with
six counts of rape in addition to capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound
and gagged after the last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When
the men returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the 911
emergency call.
Xerxes
to prove that there are criminal gays?
Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
on the acts of two of its members.
That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
The Compassionate Conservative wrote:
<snip story about gays raping a kid>
Rainbow Christian
<a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote:
- What can possibly be the point of this post?
- to prove that there are criminal gays?
- Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
- You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
- on the acts of two of its members.
- That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
- being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
- book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
- If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
-
- The Compassionate Conservative wrote:
- <snip story about gays raping a kid>
Indeed!!
How often do you see a post reading "Heterosexuals kinap adnd muder
little girl"?
I mean the odds are fairly high that whoever murdered that poor Ramsey
girl was not only hetersosexual, but was someone known to her and her
family.
Is thae Compassionate Consevative now ready to say that all hetersoexual
male "friends of the family" now be suspected of being child molestors?
--
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734
-
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true. whatever is noble, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things. Philippiams 4:8
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http://www.ufmcc.com
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Thomas Andrews
Rainbow Christian <gsp...@nohate.poboxes.com> wrote:
>
>Indeed!!
>
>How often do you see a post reading "Heterosexuals kinap adnd muder
>little girl"?
>
In fact, a while back, I saw a parody of 'The Drudge Report', he
had a link called 'The Heterosexual Menace.' When you clicked on it, it
would simply do a news search for the word 'girlfriend' and all
the news turned up was violent crime.
Hear, try this out:
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=girlfriend
[ Okay, in one of the cases, on the first page, the 'girlfriend'
is not a heterosexual. In that story, though, her father kidnapped
and beat his adult daughter for shacking up with another woman. ]
--
Thomas Andrews tho...@best.com http://www.best.com/~thomaso/
Ashburn
Xerxes wrote:
>
> What can possibly be the point of this post?
I 'll spell it out for you, queenie.
For the last year we have heard about the ham slammer
Mathew Shepherd, ad nauseam. He went into a bar and
left with two strange men. He thought he was going to
get double dicked. Things didn't work out for him
quite the way he figured. But his death was used
by the demoncrats to call for new "hate crime laws".
NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising because he was
not part of the politically protected minority.
But the two ham slamming murders are.
Get it, panty boy?
> to prove that there are criminal gays?
> Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
> You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
> on the acts of two of its members.
Did they commit a hate crime?
Can sperm sucking sodomites commit hate crimes?
> That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
> being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
> book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
> If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
It's ok, sissy. It's safe to come out...
Andrew Northbrook
>NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
Dirkhising's death?
--
think about it,
Andrew Northbrook
Ask Amadou Diallo if the police should be the only ones to own guns.
Wow!
is right for the gander. Get used to used to... you will not be
pushing gays around anymore and get away with it!
The name is Benjo
there's so fuss about his killing compared to the murder
of Matthew? And still in the hate groups they attack
Matthew... I don't agree with you totally but yes, I share you
point of view that bigots have to get used to pay back time
Wow! <Rob...@help.com> wrote in message
news:38111830...@news.nwlink.com...
John Simpson
Andrew Northbrook wrote:
> Ashburn wrote:
> >NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
>
> Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
> Dirkhising's death?
>
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
Duane K. Kelly
So, Being "the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler
said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists
and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler also said there is some
evidence the boy was drugged,... [and] the two men raped Dirkhising at
least six times. Each was charged with six counts of rape in addition to
capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound and gagged after the
last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men
returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the
911 emergency call." Is this a hate crime, or does the 911, the oh shit,
I think we kill him, lets call 911 and claim, "When asked about the
tape, Brown reportedly told officers they were 屠ust playing a game"..."
just make this a little game where a young boy 'accidently died'?
I will say this, anyone that defends these homosexuals for their actions
while condemning the murders of
Mathew Shepherd are nothing more than pure hypocrites, and prove that
homosexual are looking for and asking for special favors. The media has
already proven this by their silence along with all the rest of the left
wing socialist sobs.
--
========================================================
"Anyone who is making a run on Colts right now is acollector, and they
don't concern us..."The ones who concern us are the homeowners who buy
guns to protect themselves."
-- Jerry Belair, legislative director for Stop Handgun Violence in
Boston
"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those
who would resist us have been completely disarmed."
-- Sara Brady, Chairman Handgun Control, Inc. remarks made to US Senator
Howard Metzenbaum while lobbing in support of a ban on semi-automatic
rifles. (The National Educator, Jan 1994, V.25 #8 page 3)
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John Simpson
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> John Simpson wrote:
> >
> > Andrew Northbrook wrote:
> >
> > > Ashburn wrote:
> > > >NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
> > >
> > > Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
> > > Dirkhising's death?
> > >
> >
> > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
> > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
>
> So, Being "the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
> including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler
> said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists
> and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler also said there is some
> evidence the boy was drugged,... [and] the two men raped Dirkhising at
> least six times. Each was charged with six counts of rape in addition to
> capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound and gagged after the
> last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men
> returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the
> 911 emergency call." Is this a hate crime, or does the 911, the oh shit,
> I think we kill him, lets call 911 and claim, "When asked about the
> tape, Brown reportedly told officers they were “just playing a game"..."
> just make this a little game where a young boy 'accidently died'?
>
> I will say this, anyone that defends these homosexuals for their actions
> while condemning the murders of
> Mathew Shepherd are nothing more than pure hypocrites, and prove that
> homosexual are looking for and asking for special favors. The media has
> already proven this by their silence along with all the rest of the left
> wing socialist sobs.
Here's the first major city newspaper with a story about it:
http://www.washtimes.com/nation/nation1.html
Notice that even the Wash Times has gone over to the leftie side on this
one, tarring the issue with a racist/KKK/Nazi angle. That oughta shut
everyone up:
"One person angered that the Jesse Dirkhising killing has not received wider
coverage is former Louisiana state lawmaker David Duke, the one-time Ku Klux
Klan leader who describes himself as a 'national white civil rights
activist.' Mr. Duke said Thursday the media should be covering the
Dirkhising case with the 'same vigor' it reported Mr. Shepard's death.
"'There has been no outrage and no candlelight vigils for Jesse Dirkhising,'
even though the murder was 'even more heinous than the Shepard case because
the victim was a child who was literally raped to death by two male
homosexuals,' said Mr. Duke.
"But Mr. Smith of Human Rights Campaign countered: 'This is a desperate
political ploy and a comeback attempt by a failed neo-Nazi, who hasn't won a
major election since he was elected Grand Wizard.'"
Duane K. Kelly
>
> "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>
> > John Simpson wrote:
> > >
> > > Andrew Northbrook wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ashburn wrote:
> > > > >NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
> > > >
> > > > Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
> > > > Dirkhising's death?
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
> > > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
> >
> > So, Being "the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
> > including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler
> > said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists
> > and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler also said there is some
> > evidence the boy was drugged,... [and] the two men raped Dirkhising at
> > least six times. Each was charged with six counts of rape in addition to
> > capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound and gagged after the
> > last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men
> > returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the
> > 911 emergency call." Is this a hate crime, or does the 911, the oh shit,
> > I think we kill him, lets call 911 and claim, "When asked about the
> > just make this a little game where a young boy 'accidently died'?
> >
> > I will say this, anyone that defends these homosexuals for their actions
> > while condemning the murders of
> > Mathew Shepherd are nothing more than pure hypocrites, and prove that
> > homosexual are looking for and asking for special favors. The media has
> > already proven this by their silence along with all the rest of the left
> > wing socialist sobs.
>
> Here's the first major city newspaper with a story about it:
>
> http://www.washtimes.com/nation/nation1.html
>
> Notice that even the Wash Times has gone over to the leftie side on this
> one, tarring the issue with a racist/KKK/Nazi angle. That oughta shut
> everyone up:
>
> "One person angered that the Jesse Dirkhising killing has not received wider
> coverage is former Louisiana state lawmaker David Duke, the one-time Ku Klux
> Klan leader who describes himself as a 'national white civil rights
> activist.' Mr. Duke said Thursday the media should be covering the
> Dirkhising case with the 'same vigor' it reported Mr. Shepard's death.
>
> "'There has been no outrage and no candlelight vigils for Jesse Dirkhising,'
> even though the murder was 'even more heinous than the Shepard case because
> the victim was a child who was literally raped to death by two male
> homosexuals,' said Mr. Duke.
>
> "But Mr. Smith of Human Rights Campaign countered: 'This is a desperate
> political ploy and a comeback attempt by a failed neo-Nazi, who hasn't won a
> major election since he was elected Grand Wizard.'"
There is not much that I would agree on that David Duke agrees on,
however, I do believe that Mr. Smith of Human Rights Campaign commits,
"This is a desperate political ploy and a comeback attempt by a failed
neo-Nazi, who hasn't won a major election since he was elected Grand
Wizard." is his own spin that prove for once the "neo-Nazi" is correct.
The fact that this was a homosexual crime, political correctness has
gagged this hate crime of the century. I am appalled at the fact that
the media has remained silent for so long, and it makes me wonder if it
is not a ploy to hide the nature of the beast while attempting to force
the preaching their pro-homosexual doctrine. However, this silence has
proven they are also preaching an anti-heterosexual doctrine as well. If
there is a hell, I pray they will find their bed to have a few extra
coal added, at least to compensate for the torture this young man
endured before dying, as by their silence, they have condoned this, and
Mr. Smith by his spin has justified it.
Zepp
wrote:
Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
to die on a fence.
The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
moral level of the rapists.
A pity you are a coward who hides behind a killfile, Dwayne. I would
love to see your response, if you could muster up one.
>
>--
>========================================================
>
>"Anyone who is making a run on Colts right now is acollector, and they
>don't concern us..."The ones who concern us are the homeowners who buy
>guns to protect themselves."
>-- Jerry Belair, legislative director for Stop Handgun Violence in
>Boston
>
>"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those
>who would resist us have been completely disarmed."
>-- Sara Brady, Chairman Handgun Control, Inc. remarks made to US Senator
>Howard Metzenbaum while lobbing in support of a ban on semi-automatic
>rifles. (The National Educator, Jan 1994, V.25 #8 page 3)
>
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day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
moral level of the rapists.<<
I am noticing mit great interest how dis crime is viewed als "homosexual
crime". Das rape is no more den violence und should be punished as such.
Wo ist der outrage when a female is raped und killed - is das ein
"heterosexual crime"?
In mein time, I would haff sent dese 2 to the shower.
Dolf
Zepp
>
>> Liberalism Regurgent, Steve's vapid page, is mirrored at
>> the following locations:
>>
>> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo
>> http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
>> http://www.wtrt.net/~blarson/institute.htm
>> http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo
>> http://resurgent.virtualave.net
>>
>> Warning: Contains tired, old left-wing ideas of the sort that have
>failed in Eastern Europe for over 70 years.
>> ************************************************************
>>
>> Pay your taxes so the liberal's welfare slaves don't have to get a job>
>
>"I don't feel I was lied to because I didn't want to know in the first
>place" -- Zepp
You'll have to excuse old Seanny-boy. He doesn't have much to offer
any more, so just peppers the groups with irrelevant blurts.
Joyce
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
Andrew Northbrook
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:02:00 GMT, "Sean" <Se...@mci.com> wrote:
>>You ought to see his pathetic web page and even more pathetic "resume"!
>
>http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp
>
>Enjoy the "resume" folks. It will give you considerable insight into
>Sean, here.
You know, I'm not normally one to defend Zeppo The Clown... but, I don't see
no steenkin' resume' on dat Web Page...
Kurt Nicklas
>>"I don't feel I was lied to because I didn't want to know in the first
>>place" -- Zepp
>
>You'll have to excuse old Seanny-boy. He doesn't have much to offer
>any more, so just peppers the groups with irrelevant blurts.
Looks like one of those 'irrelevant blurts' came from your confabulating
pen, Bryan. It's a left-wing gem for the ages, that's for certain.
Kurt Nicklas
http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
Zepp
>
>
>Kurt Nicklas <knic...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com> wrote in article
><7utivk$dds$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>You ought to see his pathetic web page and even more pathetic "resume"!
>You'll see how wildly successful he was in FAST FOOD -- can't seem to hold
>down a job for more than a year or two however. Another economic loser
>like CFA Lantz.
Enjoy the "resume" folks. It will give you considerable insight into
Sean, here.
>
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Moira de Swardt
Wow! wrote in message <38111830...@news.nwlink.com>...
>Then that is payback for Matt Shepherd. What is right for the goose
>is right for the gander. Get used to used to... you will not be
>pushing gays around anymore and get away with it!
>
doesn't matter what the gender, age or sexual orientation of the victim
and/or perpetrators. Crime is unacceptable.
Moira de Swardt
Straight, but not narrow.
Moira de Swardt
The name is Benjo wrote in message <3811208a$0$11...@reader1.casema.net>...
>It's always sad to lose a loved one, but why is it that
>there's so fuss about his killing compared to the murder
>of Matthew? And still in the hate groups they attack
>Matthew... I don't agree with you totally but yes, I share you
>point of view that bigots have to get used to pay back time
No, Benjo. There is NO justification for violent crime. This crime wasn't
even a "payback" crime. It was simply violence. Crime is not acceptable.
Violence is not acceptable.
Kurt Nicklas
>
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:02:00 GMT, "Sean" <Se...@mci.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Kurt Nicklas <knic...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com> wrote in article
>><7utivk$dds$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>> In article <3812303c...@news.snowcrest.net>, Bryan R.
>>Jamieosn(ze...@snowcrest.net) opined...
>>> >
>>> >On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:40:55 GMT, "Sean" <Se...@mci.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>"I don't feel I was lied to because I didn't want to know in the first
>>> >>place" -- Zepp
>>> >
>>> >You'll have to excuse old Seanny-boy. He doesn't have much to offer
>>> >any more, so just peppers the groups with irrelevant blurts.
>>>
>>> Looks like one of those 'irrelevant blurts' came from your confabulating
>>> pen, Bryan. It's a left-wing gem for the ages, that's for certain.
>>>
>>> Kurt Nicklas
>>> http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
>>
>>You ought to see his pathetic web page and even more pathetic "resume"!
>>You'll see how wildly successful he was in FAST FOOD -- can't seem to hold
>>down a job for more than a year or two however. Another economic loser
>>like CFA Lantz.
>
>http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp
What-ho, Bryan! Looks like your confabulating, confusticated looniness has added
yet another pseudonym to my Usenet presence. You just can't believe that someone
would actually post under their real name, huh?
Why don't you just drop the pretence of the insectoid pseudonym at this point? Your
cover is blown. :-)
Kurt Nicklas
http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
The name is Benjo
but I understand something like paying back.
As I'm informed well, there's a lot of crime in the USA,
to me raping a young kid is as bad as raping an adult
women or man, murdering a kid is as bad as killing an adult.
All these crimes (including the dead penalty) should make
headlines because there's no justification .
But because in this case two so called homosexuals
are involved (to me homosexuals are men preferring men, not
kids, the same goes for heterosexuals), some groups are trying
a make it a special case. It's just another killing like so many happen,
how horrible and sad it is.
Killing people because of what they are, jews, blacks, gays etc. etc
is another thing. It's a bit hard to explain, because these are feelings
and difficult to translate from my own language into English.
However, I hope you do understand what I'm trying to say.
Moira de Swardt <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
news:7uupcd$85j$2...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
Ashburn
The name is Benjo wrote:
> Killing people because of what they are, jews, blacks, gays etc. etc
> is another thing. It's a bit hard to explain, because these are feelings
> and difficult to translate from my own language into English.
>
> However, I hope you do understand what I'm trying to say.
No. You did not explain yourself. (because you can not)
Your position relies on feelings. It cannot be translated
into logic NO matter what language is used. But it is
very liberal.(holding my nose)
Zepp
<emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
of some identifyable group.
>
>"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>
>> John Simpson wrote:
>> >
>> > Andrew Northbrook wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ashburn wrote:
>> > > >NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
>> > >
>> > > Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
>> > > Dirkhising's death?
>> > >
>> >
>> > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
>> > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
>>
>> So, Being "the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
>> including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler
>> said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists
>> and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler also said there is some
>> evidence the boy was drugged,... [and] the two men raped Dirkhising at
>> least six times. Each was charged with six counts of rape in addition to
>> capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound and gagged after the
>> last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men
>> returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the
>> 911 emergency call." Is this a hate crime, or does the 911, the oh shit,
>> I think we kill him, lets call 911 and claim, "When asked about the
>> tape, Brown reportedly told officers they were “just playing a game"..."
>> just make this a little game where a young boy 'accidently died'?
>>
>> I will say this, anyone that defends these homosexuals for their actions
>> while condemning the murders of
>> Mathew Shepherd are nothing more than pure hypocrites, and prove that
>> homosexual are looking for and asking for special favors. The media has
>> already proven this by their silence along with all the rest of the left
>> wing socialist sobs.
>>
>> --
>> ========================================================
>>
>> "Anyone who is making a run on Colts right now is acollector, and they
>> don't concern us..."The ones who concern us are the homeowners who buy
>> guns to protect themselves."
>> -- Jerry Belair, legislative director for Stop Handgun Violence in
>> Boston
>>
>> "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those
>> who would resist us have been completely disarmed."
>> -- Sara Brady, Chairman Handgun Control, Inc. remarks made to US Senator
>> Howard Metzenbaum while lobbing in support of a ban on semi-automatic
>> rifles. (The National Educator, Jan 1994, V.25 #8 page 3)
>>
>> =========================================================
>
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Zepp
Nicklas) wrote:
Losing it, Kurt. You need a rest.
>
>Kurt Nicklas
>http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
Andrew Northbrook
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:04:52 +0000, Joyce
><emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>
>>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>
>Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
>of some identifyable group.
So, in other words, it's only the *victims* membership in an "identifiable"
group, rather than the *criminals*, as well. Which means that gays can
never, by your definition, commit "hate crimes", unless the crime is
committed against a member of some other "identifiable group".
So, what, *exactly*, are the criteria for defining an "identifiable group"?
Pale Rider
<ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
What does this tell you about people from Arkansas?
_The Pale Rider
Zepp
<ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <38132dad....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:04:52 +0000, Joyce
>><emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>>
>>Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
>>of some identifyable group.
>
>So, in other words, it's only the *victims* membership in an "identifiable"
>group, rather than the *criminals*, as well. Which means that gays can
>never, by your definition, commit "hate crimes", unless the crime is
>committed against a member of some other "identifiable group".
If gays were to start shooting baptists because they were baptists,
that would be a hate crime. I didn't say a word about the criminals
being or not being in a group. You invented that in an effort to make
your strawman last longer than one sentence.
>
>So, what, *exactly*, are the criteria for defining an "identifiable group"?
I would say that it was any group of people who could be identified by
appearance, behavior or beliefs. This would include members of
religious groups, political groups, minorities, and by sex or sexual
orientation.
Alric J. Knebel
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> There is not much that I would agree on that David Duke agrees on,
> however, I do believe that Mr. Smith of Human Rights Campaign commits,
> "This is a desperate political ploy and a comeback attempt by a failed
> neo-Nazi, who hasn't won a major election since he was elected Grand
> Wizard." is his own spin that prove for once the "neo-Nazi" is correct.
> The fact that this was a homosexual crime, political correctness has
> gagged this hate crime of the century. I am appalled at the fact that
> the media has remained silent for so long, and it makes me wonder if it
> is not a ploy to hide the nature of the beast while attempting to force
> the preaching their pro-homosexual doctrine. However, this silence has
> proven they are also preaching an anti-heterosexual doctrine as well. If
> there is a hell, I pray they will find their bed to have a few extra
> coal added, at least to compensate for the torture this young man
> endured before dying, as by their silence, they have condoned this, and
> Mr. Smith by his spin has justified it.
The "hate crime of the century"? Duane, give it a rest. It wasn't a hate crime
at all. It was a child molestation case. There was no hate involved at all. Do
you think by your labeling it a hate crime makes it so? It only serves to destroy
your already-thin credibility, with your posts so agenda-driven they're not as
entertaining as Generalassimo's stupid posts. You're just a kook, driven by your
own delusions. Please, lighten up and make some sense. Look at it for what it
really is. There is no media blackout; it's a common crime, not even very
particularly heinous by today's standards. The fact that homosexuals are involved
prevents you from seeing the crime correctly, and you're frustrated because your
need to stigmatize both the gay community and the press with it have been
frustrated. These guys are child molesters, and the hell they'll experience in
prison for their crime should warm you bile-pumping heart.
And that thing you said about this alleged blackout as preaching an
anit-heterosexual doctrine proves to me you need to be on medication. That's just
plain stupid. Do you ever listen to Art Bell on talk radio? If not, you should;
you'll feel like you've got family out there. There's lots of people who call Art
and tell him some of the most nonsensical things, conclusions they've reached by
taking spectacular broad jumps. Right wingers everywhere on the radio, encouraged
to be as crazy as they want to be. Looney toons.
Right wingers! You're such NUTS! Conspiracies EVERYWHERE! Y2K! Jesus is
coming.
Kurt Nicklas
Had a rest, Bryan.
I'm back.
Kurt Nicklas
http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
Alric J. Knebel
Zepp wrote:
> Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
> tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
> to die on a fence.
>
> The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
> day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
> tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
> moral level of the rapists.
>
> A pity you are a coward who hides behind a killfile, Dwayne. I would
> love to see your response, if you could muster up one.
Is Duane using a killfile, Zepp? He's clearly a person living in a small
world, seeing through filters of his own design, but I didn''t think he had boarded
up the windows. I just responded to one of his posts, and as dumb as his thinking
is, I'd find it flattering if he added me to his killfile. Knowledge of his
killfile will simply allow me to mine his posts for their entertainment value, and
I will hopefully respond in a way that will entertain others in the newsgroup.
I wonder a lot of times what's missing in the lives of people like Duane, that
he desires so much to bring hostility into the world. I've listened to these guys,
malcontents encouraged by Reagan and Limbaugh and gang to let it all out, for
almost twenty years now. The political arena has been transformed into a kind of
dysfunctional collective therapy session. If people like Duane have their own
lives together, why are they so angry? Why do they look for some vulnerable group
to disparage?
My own belief is that such men are not dealing properly with their own
failures and anger, and then seek some object to blame for their discontent, hiding
behind a self-righteous posture. The anger comes first, the target second. They
are simply dealing inappropriately with their own issues, with those feelings of
anger and frustration and failure. If a person was content in his or her own life,
he or she would take the adage "live and let live" to heart. Why would the
existence of gay men bother a straight man preoccupied with the responsibilities
and rewards of his own life? I just don't get it. I sincerely wish someone would
explain this to me.
Alric Knebel
Andrew Northbrook
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:54:31 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Zepp wrote in message <38132dad....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>>>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:04:52 +0000, Joyce
>>><emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>>>
>>>Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
>>>of some identifyable group.
>>
>>So, in other words, it's only the *victims* membership in an
"identifiable"
>>group, rather than the *criminals*, as well. Which means that gays can
>>never, by your definition, commit "hate crimes", unless the crime is
>>committed against a member of some other "identifiable group".
>
>If gays were to start shooting baptists because they were baptists,
>that would be a hate crime. I didn't say a word about the criminals
>being or not being in a group. You invented that in an effort to make
>your strawman last longer than one sentence.
Oh, OK, I see. I'm sorry, I mis-understood you.
>>So, what, *exactly*, are the criteria for defining an "identifiable
group"?
>
>I would say that it was any group of people who could be identified by
>appearance, behavior or beliefs. This would include members of
>religious groups, political groups, minorities, and by sex or sexual
>orientation.
A good working definition. We'll go with that. In which case..
Aileen Wournos, the prostitute who murdered her johns because she hated men,
is a hate criminal? Colin Ferguson's rampage on the subway, in which he
singled out white & Asian targets, was a hate crime? Randy Kraft, a gay man
who singled out young men & boys -- not all of whom were, themselves, gay --
was a hate criminal? Or is it something else, besides? Like, for example,
actual expressions of hatred during the crime -- offensive name-calling,
symbols, etc.?
What if a straight white male beat a gay male to death, without saying a
word or otherwise expressing any sort of hatred? Is that still a hate crime?
Thomas Andrews
Andrew Northbrook <ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <38132dad....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:04:52 +0000, Joyce
>><emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>>
>>Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
>>of some identifyable group.
>
>So, in other words, it's only the *victims* membership in an "identifiable"
>group, rather than the *criminals*, as well. Which means that gays can
>never, by your definition, commit "hate crimes", unless the crime is
>committed against a member of some other "identifiable group".
>
>
Depends, law by law. If these guys killed the child for being white,
or for being straight, or for being a boy, then it would be a hate
crime.
A hate crime is usually a part of a pattern of deliberate persecution,
where the act is meant to harm the individual victim, but also meant
to 'send a message' to others of the same category.
Not every killing of a gay person by a straight person is a hate crime.
Probably most are not. Not every killing of a white by a black, or visa
versa, is a hate crime.
The difference is motive and intent. Just as we punish the husband who
kills his wife for insurance many worse than the husband who kills his
wife after finding her with another man.
These two sickos will feel the full force of law, and if they are not
executed in the state they are in, they'll be in jail the rest of their
lives. Given that there has not been a history of ignoring such crimes,
nor has there been a history where such criminal defendants have been
allowed to get off scot free because the kid looked at them funny, it's
really not news.
--
Thomas Andrews tho...@best.com http://www.best.com/~thomaso/
Zepp
Nicklas) wrote:
Gaining humanity nothing at all, I see.
>
>Kurt Nicklas
>http://tiberias.home.sprynet.com/leftwinghate.htm
Zepp
<al...@datasync.com> wrote:
>
>
>Zepp wrote:
>
>> Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
>> tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
>> to die on a fence.
>>
>> The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
>> day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
>> tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
>> moral level of the rapists.
>>
>> A pity you are a coward who hides behind a killfile, Dwayne. I would
>> love to see your response, if you could muster up one.
>
> Is Duane using a killfile, Zepp? He's clearly a person living in a small
>world, seeing through filters of his own design, but I didn''t think he had boarded
>up the windows. I just responded to one of his posts, and as dumb as his thinking
>is, I'd find it flattering if he added me to his killfile. Knowledge of his
>killfile will simply allow me to mine his posts for their entertainment value, and
>I will hopefully respond in a way that will entertain others in the newsgroup.
He grandly announced he had killfiled me a couple of months ago
(apparently I wasn't sufficiently impressed with his invocations of
his diety to back his assertions) and has since announced killfiling
several other people. Presumably he meant it, which we all saw as an
opportunity. It's fun pulling his posts apart, knowing that BY HIS
OWN CHOICE, he can't respond.
Harold and Wayne Mann also like to announce their kill files--Wayne
even posts the contents of his from time to time, an action that
apparently equates in his mind to different colored puffs of smoke
over the Vatican. I'm pleased to report that my name is often at the
top of the list.
> I wonder a lot of times what's missing in the lives of people like Duane, that
>he desires so much to bring hostility into the world. I've listened to these guys,
>malcontents encouraged by Reagan and Limbaugh and gang to let it all out, for
>almost twenty years now. The political arena has been transformed into a kind of
>dysfunctional collective therapy session. If people like Duane have their own
>lives together, why are they so angry? Why do they look for some vulnerable group
>to disparage?
School yard bullies who never grew up? I don't know. I -do- know
that we often hear the complaint that liberals are supposed to be
sensitive, caring, polite. Sissies, in other words. They're quite
put out by the fact that we often are quite the opposite in our own
way, and cheerfully rip into right wingers. Worse still, we have
ammunition. Rush never ever tells 'em that liberals have rationales
behind their beliefs, and they don't think of it themselves.
> My own belief is that such men are not dealing properly with their own
>failures and anger, and then seek some object to blame for their discontent, hiding
>behind a self-righteous posture. The anger comes first, the target second. They
>are simply dealing inappropriately with their own issues, with those feelings of
>anger and frustration and failure. If a person was content in his or her own life,
>he or she would take the adage "live and let live" to heart. Why would the
>existence of gay men bother a straight man preoccupied with the responsibilities
>and rewards of his own life? I just don't get it. I sincerely wish someone would
>explain this to me.
It's always been a handy vehicle for demogogues, and Rush has gotten
rich and Republicans elected by feeding off of that alienated and
unfocused crowd.
>Alric Knebel
Duane K. Kelly
>
> I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
From some of the replies, I get the feeling that the left wing apologist
would have us believe the boy was loved to death.
> "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>
> > John Simpson wrote:
> > >
> > > Andrew Northbrook wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ashburn wrote:
> > > > >NOBODY has heard of Jesse Dirkhising
> > > >
> > > > Well, you're right about that much. Where can I read news reports of
> > > > Dirkhising's death?
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
> > > http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
> >
> > So, Being "the boy had been raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
> > including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, Butler
> > said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists
> > and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler also said there is some
> > evidence the boy was drugged,... [and] the two men raped Dirkhising at
> > least six times. Each was charged with six counts of rape in addition to
> > capital murder. Butler said the boy was left bound and gagged after the
> > last rape while the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men
> > returned, Butler said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the
> > 911 emergency call." Is this a hate crime, or does the 911, the oh shit,
> > I think we kill him, lets call 911 and claim, "When asked about the
> > tape, Brown reportedly told officers they were 屠ust playing a game"..."
Duane K. Kelly
>
> "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>
> > There is not much that I would agree on that David Duke agrees on,
> > however, I do believe that Mr. Smith of Human Rights Campaign commits,
> > "This is a desperate political ploy and a comeback attempt by a failed
> > neo-Nazi, who hasn't won a major election since he was elected Grand
> > Wizard." is his own spin that prove for once the "neo-Nazi" is correct.
> > The fact that this was a homosexual crime, political correctness has
> > gagged this hate crime of the century. I am appalled at the fact that
> > the media has remained silent for so long, and it makes me wonder if it
> > is not a ploy to hide the nature of the beast while attempting to force
> > the preaching their pro-homosexual doctrine. However, this silence has
> > proven they are also preaching an anti-heterosexual doctrine as well. If
> > there is a hell, I pray they will find their bed to have a few extra
> > coal added, at least to compensate for the torture this young man
> > endured before dying, as by their silence, they have condoned this, and
> > Mr. Smith by his spin has justified it.
>
> The "hate crime of the century"? Duane, give it a rest. It wasn't a hate crime
> at all. It was a child molestation case.
So, if Shepherd has been only 14 or 16 and had homosexual preferences,
it would have only been child abuse. Gots ya.
> There was no hate involved at all. Do
> you think by your labeling it a hate crime makes it so? It only serves to destroy
> your already-thin credibility, with your posts so agenda-driven they're not as
> entertaining as Generalassimo's stupid posts. You're just a kook, driven by your
> own delusions. Please, lighten up and make some sense.
Your application of rule #3 Ignore their argument and attack them
personally, noted.
> Look at it for what it
> really is. There is no media blackout; it's a common crime, not even very
> particularly heinous by today's standards.
No, just dead silence.
> The fact that homosexuals are involved
> prevents you from seeing the crime correctly, and you're frustrated because your
> need to stigmatize both the gay community and the press with it have been
> frustrated. These guys are child molesters, and the hell they'll experience in
> prison for their crime should warm you bile-pumping heart.
So, I see you belive yourself a phyco-analyst...
> And that thing you said about this alleged blackout as preaching an
> anit-heterosexual doctrine proves to me you need to be on medication.
So, you believe that anyone that does not believe butt fucking is a good
idea is in need of medication. I see, your meds are running low.
> That's just
> plain stupid. Do you ever listen to Art Bell on talk radio? If not, you should;
> you'll feel like you've got family out there. There's lots of people who call Art
> and tell him some of the most nonsensical things, conclusions they've reached by
> taking spectacular broad jumps. Right wingers everywhere on the radio, encouraged
> to be as crazy as they want to be. Looney toons.
> Right wingers! You're such NUTS! Conspiracies EVERYWHERE! Y2K! Jesus is
> coming.
Let's put it like this, if you feel that attacking me personally is the
only defence you have, you have none... as noted, your application of
rule #3 Ignore their argument and attack them personally is well noted,
and proof it was a hate crime of which you cannot defend legitimately,
therefore assuming the role of a TROLL is your only defence. You seemed
to have made my case well.
kathos dokimazo echo theos epignosis theos paradidomi paradidomi
adokimos nous poieo ho katheko
ei ei_tis agnoeo agnoeo
wol...@inficad.com
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:04:52 +0000, Joyce
><emma...@pop.eugn.uswest.net> wrote:
>
>>I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>
>Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
>of some identifyable group.
What different does it make, shepherd was murdered because he was a
homosexual, the kid was murdered by homosexuals
The fact is, it was murder, neither the people that killed Shepherd or
the people that murdered the kid had any respect for life-it was
murdered and they should pay
Wolf
Zepp
Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
is, after all, a mental illness.
>
>Wolf
Pale Rider
>School yard bullies who never grew up? I don't know. I -do- know
>that we often hear the complaint that liberals are supposed to be
>sensitive, caring, polite. Sissies, in other words. They're quite
>put out by the fact that we often are quite the opposite in our own
>way, and cheerfully rip into right wingers.
Please be aware, Zepp, that sniping at people on the internet doesn't
require bravado and thus isn't likely to erase any of your childhood
shame, and rather than being "put out" by anyone's continued
involvement in these "discussions," I'm pretty certain that it is
precisely what keeps everybody else involved.
_The Pale Rider
Coach
news:38145d6b....@news.snowcrest.net...
> Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
> is, after all, a mental illness.
Hate should be punished? Since when do your morals constitute what's right
and what's wrong? You have the right to hate whomever you see fit....you do
not have the right to kill them.
Coach
Andrew Northbrook
>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>is, after all, a mental illness.
Obviously, beating a neo-Nazi to death for being a neo-Nazi is a hate crime.
However, I don't believe that my hatred of neo-Nazis, & my willingness to
shoot or beat them to death, makes me mentally ill.
bob
Zepp wrote:
>
> Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
> is, after all, a mental illness.
>
Should we start with democrats who hate Reagan because they disagreed with
him politically? How about democrats who hate Justice Thomas for refusing
to goose-step with their ideology? Do we have enough facilities to treat
all the democrats who hate people who disagree with them?
Bob
Pale Rider
>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>is, after all, a mental illness.
Maybe you ought to get in touch with the "feelings police" and report
it, Zepp.
_The Pale Rider
Andrew Northbrook
>>However, to recap, so even Dim-shit gets it straight: yes, I'd happily
shoot
>>neo-Nazis. Due process was served at Nuremburg!
>
>So you feel you have a license to kill anyone who has right wing
>politics even if they were not a part of the Hitler gang based on the
>Nuremburg Trials?
Anyone who openly supports the Nazis is a traitor. Traitors deserve to be
executed.
Andrew Northbrook
<381eb43e...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:12:35 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>Anyone who openly supports the Nazis is a traitor. Traitors deserve to be
>>executed.
>
They had their trial at Nuremburg.
>Just because you think they are a Nazi?
Nah, their own word of mouth confessions do them in.
Andrew Northbrook
<381f8e17...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:40:57 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Zepp wrote
>>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>>
crime.
>>However, I don't believe that my hatred of neo-Nazis, & my willingness to
>>shoot or beat them to death, makes me mentally ill.
>
>human being for disagreeing with you?
Interesting. I flatly state my willingness to shoot or beat neo-Nazi swine
to death, & Dimmy complains. What a surprise.
However, to recap, so even Dim-shit gets it straight: yes, I'd happily shoot
neo-Nazis. Due process was served at Nuremburg!
--
Andrew Northbrook
<382bd06f...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:26:33 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Volt...@geocities.com wrote in message
>>>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:12:35 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
>>><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Anyone who openly supports the Nazis is a traitor. Traitors deserve to
be
>>>>executed.
>>>
>>>Without a trial and a conviction, Little Anal Andy?
>>
>>They had their trial at Nuremburg.
>
>Nuremburg?
Yep.
>>>Just because you think they are a Nazi?
>>
>>Nah, their own word of mouth confessions do them in.
>
>So they confess and you kill them without any need for indictments,
>trials or the legal system in general?
Didn't you read it right the first time? Due process was served at
Nuremburg -- it's time to dispense justice.
Andrew Northbrook
>So you are an idiot?
>
>Glad we have a public conformation.
So, Dimmy, what's a "conformation"?
Zepp
<ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>Zepp wrote
>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>
>Obviously, beating a neo-Nazi to death for being a neo-Nazi is a hate crime.
>However, I don't believe that my hatred of neo-Nazis, & my willingness to
>shoot or beat them to death, makes me mentally ill.
If you were to act on it, it would. If you were to start refusing
work, housing, or other rights to people you thought MIGHT be
neo-Nazis, that would qualify as mentally ill.
>
>--
>think about it,
>Andrew Northbrook
>Ask Amadou Diallo if the police should be the only ones to own guns.
>
>
>
**********************************************************
Andrew Northbrook
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:40:57 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
><ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Zepp wrote
>>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>>
>>Obviously, beating a neo-Nazi to death for being a neo-Nazi is a hate
crime.
>>However, I don't believe that my hatred of neo-Nazis, & my willingness to
>>shoot or beat them to death, makes me mentally ill.
Actually, once I posted this -- which I will admit I do believe, though
would NEVER act on -- & Dimmy Kennemur started interrogating me, I figured I
might be able to keep him going for a while if I kept getting more & more
extreme. It worked, & he followed right on along. He probably thinks
(assuming he DOES think) that I'm out there planning my next Nazi execution
right now.
I wish I were, but I know doing so would land me in prison, & I don't like
that idea. I will admit, though, that the thought of putting bullets into
the piles of shit neo-Nazis call their "brains" does appeal to me.
It's no more than they deserve.
As for Dimmy, he doesn't deserve the truth, & I'll attack him at every
chance I get -- even if I have to stoop to his level of extremism &
dishonesty to do so. He's a piece of shit, & I'm going to treat him like
one.
Andrew Northbrook
>How exactly does that hurt me, Little Anal Andy?
I'm not trying to hurt you, Dimmy. I just said I'm going to treat you like
the piece of shit you are.
So, Dimmy, who do you support -- Albot Gore, or Bill The Taxpayer Bradley?
SnowDog
Zepp <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:3811b163...@news.snowcrest.net...
> Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
> tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
> to die on a fence.
No one is claiming that ALL homosexuals rape children to death.
> The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
> day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
> tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
> moral level of the rapists.
Agreed. To me this story is a condemnation of the media. The fact that
they bury stories like this is truly disturbing.
> >"Anyone who is making a run on Colts right now is acollector, and they
> >don't concern us..."
(for right now, we'll get those guys later)
> >The ones who concern us are the homeowners who buy
> >guns to protect themselves."
> >-- Jerry Belair, legislative director for Stop Handgun Violence in
> >Boston
An inalienable right that we want to deny to all of our subjects.
> **********************************************************
> "If they offered their President up for resignation, we might
> have thought differently of it."
>
> -- noted Republican strategist
> Rush Limbaugh on the CTBT,
> Oct. 15th, 1999.
Actually, noted Conservative radio talk-show host (who does not have a
Senate vote). #1 rated radio program in the US, for years, as far as I
know.
ATTENTION ALL MURDERERS, RAPISTS, AND THIEVES
SnowDog
Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
news:38107656...@student.utwente.nl...
> What can possibly be the point of this post?
> to prove that there are criminal gays?
I don't think that was the point.
> Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
> You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
> on the acts of two of its members.
I do not believe the purpose of the post was that.
> That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
> being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
> book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
> If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
It has apparently pissed you off as it is.
The point of the post is this:
This crime was ignored completely by major media. Ignored may not be the
proper word, perhaps buried is better. It illustrates the way that major
news media paints a picture that fits their liberal agenda, rather than
presenting a true full view of the news. You'll notice that the source was
a local news outlet, not a major news outlet. It is the poster's belief,
and mine, and most non-liberals', that if the perps were straight and the
victim a girl, better yet, a girl or woman of a "protected class", we would
be being bombarded by coverage, coverage that would be attempting to make
the same points about these men as you are accusing the poster of the
article of trying to make.
SnowDog
Adolf Hitler <A...@net.net> wrote in message
news:7uss04$qk$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> >>The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
> day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
> tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
> moral level of the rapists.<<
>
> crime". Das rape is no more den violence und should be punished as such.
> Wo ist der outrage when a female is raped und killed - is das ein
> "heterosexual crime"?
>
> In mein time, I would haff sent dese 2 to the shower.
>
> Dolf
p.s.
Oh, unt I ulmost forget, vote Democrat, dey haff gud ideas.
Adolf
SnowDog
Alric J. Knebel <al...@datasync.com> wrote in message
news:38137CF7...@datasync.com...
> My own belief is that such men are not dealing properly with their
own
> failures and anger, and then seek some object to blame for their
discontent, hiding
> behind a self-righteous posture. The anger comes first, the target
second. They
> are simply dealing inappropriately with their own issues, with those
feelings of
> anger and frustration and failure. If a person was content in his or her
own life,
> he or she would take the adage "live and let live" to heart. Why would
the
> existence of gay men bother a straight man preoccupied with the
responsibilities
> and rewards of his own life? I just don't get it. I sincerely wish
someone would
> explain this to me.
I think the reason you don't get it is that you don't have a clue as to what
you are talking about.
SnowDog
> The "hate crime of the century"?
I would have to think that the two perps considered it a love crime.
> Duane, give it a rest. It wasn't a hate crime
> at all. It was a child molestation case. There was no hate involved at
all.
Love.
> Do
> you think by your labeling it a hate crime makes it so? It only serves to
destroy
> your already-thin credibility, with your posts so agenda-driven they're
not as
> entertaining as Generalassimo's stupid posts. You're just a kook, driven
by your
> own delusions.
Are all of the mirrors in your house covered up?
> Please, lighten up and make some sense. Look at it for what it
> really is. There is no media blackout;
Yes there is.
> it's a common crime,
A common crime? Please, give me a general idea of where you live so I never
move there! Anywhere that this kind of thing commonly takes place is
nowhere I want to be.
> not even very
> particularly heinous by today's standards.
Fucking a kid to death isn't heinous? What do you believe is today's
standard of a "heinous crime"?
> The fact that homosexuals are involved
> prevents you from seeing the crime correctly, and you're frustrated
because your
> need to stigmatize both the gay community and the press with it have been
> frustrated. These guys are child molesters, and the hell they'll
experience in
> prison for their crime should warm you bile-pumping heart.
Some people wrongly take an opportunity like this to attempt to portray
homosexuality is a poor light. Others correctly take an opportunity like
this to point out the the news media is no longer a 'free press", but are
actually a political propaganda machine.
> And that thing you said about this alleged blackout as preaching an
> anit-heterosexual doctrine proves to me you need to be on medication.
That's just
> plain stupid. Do you ever listen to Art Bell on talk radio?
Is Art Bell your idea of major media?
> If not, you should;
> you'll feel like you've got family out there. There's lots of people who
call Art
> and tell him some of the most nonsensical things, conclusions they've
reached by
> taking spectacular broad jumps. Right wingers everywhere on the radio,
encouraged
> to be as crazy as they want to be. Looney toons.
> Right wingers! You're such NUTS! Conspiracies EVERYWHERE! Y2K!
Jesus is
> coming.
And them damn right wingers, anybody who disagrees with them is loony, nuts,
a kook even. Evil to the core, and intolerant.
Of course, it would appear that it is the same in your little brain too.
SnowDog
> >I wonder if this would be called a hate crime?
>
> Only if you can show the crime was motivated by the boy being a member
> of some identifyable group.
Actually, it is more narrow than that. It has to be an identifyiable,
protected group.
SnowDog
Thomas Andrews <tho...@best.com> wrote in message
news:381377b3$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com...
> Depends, law by law.
Just another reason why these laws are unconstitutional.
> A hate crime is usually a part of a pattern of deliberate persecution,
> where the act is meant to harm the individual victim, but also meant
> to 'send a message' to others of the same category.
Bullshit. The only message that is being sent is "vote for me, I will
protect you", which is a lie.
> Not every killing of a gay person by a straight person is a hate crime.
> Probably most are not. Not every killing of a white by a black, or visa
> versa, is a hate crime.
The fact of the matter is this: Murder is murder. The reason why is not
the crime, the crime is the killing.
> The difference is motive and intent. Just as we punish the husband who
> kills his wife for insurance many worse than the husband who kills his
> wife after finding her with another man.
Do you actually believe that?
> These two sickos will feel the full force of law, and if they are not
> executed in the state they are in, they'll be in jail the rest of their
> lives.
Hardly a sufficient punishment for them, it's like locking up a male rapist
in a women's prison.
> Given that there has not been a history of ignoring such crimes,
> nor has there been a history where such criminal defendants have been
> allowed to get off scot free because the kid looked at them funny, it's
> really not news.
So, it is not as newsworthy as say, JonBenet Ramsey's murder? Or Megan
Kanka? Or the Klaus girl in California? (I forget her name, was it Polly?)
How about the women in the Grand Canyon?
The reason it is not "newsworthy" is it does not advance the newsmedia's
agenda.
SnowDog
> Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
> is, after all, a mental illness.
So you think the 1st Amendment is ok, as long as you don't "hate"?
SnowDog
bob <alli...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:38147997...@pobox.upenn.edu...
>
>
> Zepp wrote:
>
> >
> > Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
> > is, after all, a mental illness.
> >
Or people that hate people that hate homosexuals? Looks like you're going
to jail, Zepp.
SnowDog
Andrew Northbrook <ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:7v24n6$e4l$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net...
> However, to recap, so even Dim-shit gets it straight: yes, I'd happily
shoot
> neo-Nazis. Due process was served at Nuremburg!
How unconstitutional of you to say...
SnowDog
> Anyone who openly supports the Nazis is a traitor. Traitors deserve to be
> executed.
>
> think about it
After having thought about it, your belief is in direct contradiction to the
Constitution of the United States, specifically the 1st Amendment. The
Constitution is the law of the land, and your flagrant disregard for its
principles could be construed as a violation on the same level as treason.
Please report to the nearest extermination station for summary disposal.
Andrew Northbrook
>After having thought about it, your belief is in direct contradiction to
the
>Constitution of the United States, specifically the 1st Amendment. The
>Constitution is the law of the land, and your flagrant disregard for its
>principles could be construed as a violation on the same level as treason.
>Please report to the nearest extermination station for summary disposal.
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!
Andrew Northbrook
>Al Gore will be kicking your dumb butt in November of 2000, Little
>Anal Andy.
Yea, with Tipper "Censor Bitch" Gore right there by his side.
Fascinating, how many Zappa quotes you have on your own web site, ripping
into that statist control freak. In fact, I'm kinda stunned that a statist
control freak like you would even *tolerate* Zappa, because he sure didn't
tolerate statist control freaks.
But, you're a Lying Socialist Weasel, so the hypocrisy is expected.
Zepp
Rider) wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:39:20 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>
>
>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>
>Maybe you ought to get in touch with the "feelings police" and report
>it, Zepp.
Did you feel a little twinge of discomfort there?
**********************************************************
"If they offered their President up for resignation, we might
have thought differently of it."
-- noted Republican strategist
Rush Limbaugh on the CTBT,
Oct. 15th, 1999.
**********************************************************
Not dead, in jail or a slave?
Thank a liberal!
Liberalism Resurgent, Steve's brilliant
Zepp
<ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>Volt...@geocities.com wrote
>>>However, to recap, so even Dim-shit gets it straight: yes, I'd happily
>shoot
>>>neo-Nazis. Due process was served at Nuremburg!
>>
>>So you feel you have a license to kill anyone who has right wing
>>politics even if they were not a part of the Hitler gang based on the
>>Nuremburg Trials?
>
>Anyone who openly supports the Nazis is a traitor. Traitors deserve to be
>executed.
Anyone who supports the Nazis is a louse. If this was 1943, I would
say that you had a point, but that war is over, and THOSE Nazis are
defeated and mostly dead.
>
>--
>think about it,
>Andrew Northbrook
>Ask Amadou Diallo if the police should be the only ones to own guns.
>
>
>
**********************************************************
Pale Rider
>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:47:06 GMT, bluhorse@_NOSPAM_excite.com (Pale
>Rider) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:39:20 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>>
>>Maybe you ought to get in touch with the "feelings police" and report
>>it, Zepp.
>
>Did you feel a little twinge of discomfort there?
No, but I damned near laughed myself off the chair when I read your
silliness about punishing hate. What a beautiful parody that is of
the typical overzealous politically correct extremist liberal and you
said it with such a straight face that I almost believed that you were
one of them instead of making fun of them.
_The Pale Rider
Polish Prince
Homosexual boy (cruising the bars), it would be considered a "hate crime"
and may very well gain national media attention. The only news network that
reported this sick atrocity was Fox. Ask yourself, "What is going on here?".
Do you care to question it?
SnowDog wrote in message ...
>
Polish Prince
Duane K. Kelly
> > Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
> > tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
> > to die on a fence.
Well Zipper head, I don't recall anyone ever saying that all homosexuals
were butt fucking heterosexual boys to death... so what's your point?
> No one is claiming that ALL homosexuals rape children to death.
>
> > The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
> > day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
> > tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
> > moral level of the rapists.
Was it an act of love, or hate? Seeing you agree that it was an horrific
crime, I believe I can take that at hate, not just being loved to death.
SO, to put it simply... (take a few minutes to pull your head out of
your ass, whip the shit out of your eyes Zipper head, and read very
carefully) IT WAS A HATE CRIME. That is all I ever said it was. YOU
brought up this BS about a "homosexual" crime, though you have to admit
this hate crime was committed by two homosexual, who also seem to be
pedophiles. IF you can't deal with the fact, it is your problem not
mine.
Now, go back to school and learn to read and comprehend what you read as
I noted that you seem to put quotes around words that are your, implying
they are mine, and just for once, stop your damn lying and maybe I will
take a little more time to reply to your post.
> Agreed. To me this story is a condemnation of the media. The fact that
> they bury stories like this is truly disturbing.
Thank-you, this was my point about the media, that brought on Zipper
heads lies.
> > >"Anyone who is making a run on Colts right now is acollector, and they
> > >don't concern us..."
>
> (for right now, we'll get those guys later)
>
> > >The ones who concern us are the homeowners who buy
> > >guns to protect themselves."
> > >-- Jerry Belair, legislative director for Stop Handgun Violence in
> > >Boston
>
> An inalienable right that we want to deny to all of our subjects.
>
> > **********************************************************
> > "If they offered their President up for resignation, we might
> > have thought differently of it."
> >
> > -- noted Republican strategist
> > Rush Limbaugh on the CTBT,
> > Oct. 15th, 1999.
>
> Actually, noted Conservative radio talk-show host (who does not have a
> Senate vote). #1 rated radio program in the US, for years, as far as I
> know.
>
> ATTENTION ALL MURDERERS, RAPISTS, AND THIEVES
> > Not dead, in jail or a slave?
> > Thank a liberal!
--
========================================================
"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with
unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat
them over and over." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 184
"Shielding the phone with his right palm, Clinton said he wanted to be
campaigning: "Its Nazi time out there. We've got to hit them back." --
George Stephanopoulos, All Too Human, p. 275
=========================================================
Duane K. Kelly
>
> > Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
> > is, after all, a mental illness.
I hate cockroaches, murders, thieves, and especially 'Lying Socialist
Weasels' as they missquote other by habit therefore untrustworthy as
well (there are two ways to kill a person. One, kill their body; the
other is character assassination with lies). Does that mean I am
mentally ill, or just have good judgement of character?
Hate is not a crime, and never should be. To act upon that hate and
cause bodily harm, or destroy one credibility with lies (defamation of
character) is, as it should be.
> So you think the 1st Amendment is ok, as long as you don't "hate"?
--
Xerxes
SnowDog wrote:
Hmm interesting, so the media passed on a chance to yell about family
values and decay of society, and thus a few more braindead people watched
Jerry Springer instead of watching their shows? Not very likely. Do you know
how many rapes are annually commited in the USA? and how many of those
make the 6 o' clock news?
What is a protected class? Does that mean WASP? Or African American?
And if the point was to show that media just report what fits their agenda,
then why lengthily discuss what exactly they did and how long, and why this
title instead of : Media ignores crimes commited by certain minorities.
No mister, he was attempting to insinuate gays being dangerous to
children, one doesn't want those sinful beasts around the family do you?
Well i hope the fundies stay away from mine, they are a lot scarier.
You are however right that i overreacted a little, and without knowing
all the facts
sincerely, Xerxes
SnowDog
Polish Prince <wawrz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7v63h4$9rm$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> Like Bald Eagles?
Heheh, nope. They just took the Bald Eagle off the endangered species list,
and, since none of them are gay, or practice a religion, or are from another
country, they are not entitled to protection.
SnowDog
> Hmm interesting, so the media passed on a chance to yell about family
> values and decay of society, and thus a few more braindead people watched
> Jerry Springer instead of watching their shows? Not very likely.
The media doesn't yell about that stuff as a matter of course, since it is
contrary to their agenda, which is to have everyone depend on the
government.
So, I would not expect them to report on stories that make the decline of
family values in the US.
> Do you know
> how many rapes are annually commited in the USA?
I would say that no one does, due to the number of unreported rapes, but as
for reported ones, about 96,000 per year.
Of course, the rape is defined by the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program,
is "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will", so this
would not be a rape, at least in a way that you could lump it in with the
96,000 that the media apparently doesn't care too much about.
> and how many of those
> make the 6 o' clock news?
No. But the unusual nature of the incident, a boy being fucked up the ass
until dead, makes it newsworthy, no matter what the sexual orientation of
the offenders.
> What is a protected class?
Any class of individuals named in a hate crime statute, or affirmative
action program, or in the ADA laws. That's a start.
> Does that mean WASP?
There are plenty of wasps included in the list.
> Or African American?
There are no African Americans that do not belong to a protected class..
> And if the point was to show that media just report what fits their
agenda,
> then why lengthily discuss what exactly they did and how long,
It is a sound refutation to points made that it is not newsworthy.
> and why this
> title instead of : Media ignores crimes commited by certain minorities.
The post was a news article, a local one. That's one reason. Another is
that the poster probably chose the subject header that he felt would cause
the most people to read it. It seems to have worked.
> No mister, he was attempting to insinuate gays being dangerous to
> children,
If you believe the subject header was the insinuation, you are entitled to
your opinion, but those are the only words that the poster actually used.
But I wonder, if the crime involved both different perps and a different
victim, would you feel that the subject header "Two Arkansas White Men Rape
& Murder 13 Year Old Black Girl" was meant to insinuate that all white men
are dangerous to black girls? I wouldn't.
> one doesn't want those sinful beasts around the family do you?
I have them in my circle of friends, and one in my family, well, future
family.
> Well i hope the fundies stay away from mine, they are a lot scarier.
They are not protected, you don't have much to worry about at this point in
time.
SnowDog
> If you were to act on it, it would. If you were to start refusing
> work, housing, or other rights to people you thought MIGHT be
> neo-Nazis, that would qualify as mentally ill.
You don't have a right to work at any particular job, or to live in a
specific house. Therefore, you cannot be denied it. To believe otherwise
is a symptom of mental illness.
ATTENTION ALL RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AND EVEN CONVICTED TERRORISTS
Michael Ejercito
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:32:40 -0700, "Andrew Northbrook"
> <ruthe...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>How exactly does that hurt me, Little Anal Andy?
> >
> >I'm not trying to hurt you, Dimmy. I just said I'm going to treat you like
> >the piece of shit you are.
>
> Why would it bother me for YOU to look like a moron, Little Anal Andy?
YOU are the moron here,Klansman. Don;'t you realize you only fool yourself?
> >So, Dimmy, who do you support -- Albot Gore, or Bill The Taxpayer Bradley?
>
> Al Gore will be kicking your dumb butt in November of 2000, Little
> Anal Andy.
>
> Volt
So you support Algore,Klansman. Is Andy runnning for President?
Michael
Q: How do you separate the men from the boys at the National Alliance?
A: Use a crowbar.
ron shapella
>
snip
>
> You don't have a right to work at any particular job, or to live in a
> specific house. Therefore, you cannot be denied it.
snip
perhaps not. the real issue, however, is denial of the *opportunity* to
buy or rent where one wants to live, or the *opportunity* to have an
equal shot a job. those are rights that are denied regularly, too often
for no good reason.
r.s.
SnowDog
ron shapella <rsha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3817DB02...@worldnet.att.net...
> perhaps not. the real issue, however, is denial of the *opportunity* to
> buy or rent where one wants to live, or the *opportunity* to have an
> equal shot a job. those are rights that are denied regularly, too often
> for no good reason.
Having the opportunity does not mean you get the home or the job. The
landlord, or employer, is the one that should have the right to decide on
who gets the home or the job, based on whatever criteria he or she chooses.
For instance, it is ridiculous to force a KKK member to rent an apartment to
a group that his organization hates. That would do neither him or the
tenant any good, since the tenant would not receive the same kind of service
in his dealings as a white tenant would.
As for employment, I would not want to be forced to hire anyone, for any
reason. I would also be able to take advantage by hiring people who were
qualified, but not hired by competitors due to their creed or color.
This same approach is not applicable to the government though. I would say
that the government should be limited in their criteria for choosing
employees or ther people they are dealing with.
SnowDog
> The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
Maybe you could quote us the part of the 1st Amendment in your copy of the
Constitution that states that. It isn't in my copy.
Zepp
Rider) wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 01:36:49 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:47:06 GMT, bluhorse@_NOSPAM_excite.com (Pale
>>Rider) wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:39:20 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>>>>is, after all, a mental illness.
>>>
>>>Maybe you ought to get in touch with the "feelings police" and report
>>>it, Zepp.
>>
>>Did you feel a little twinge of discomfort there?
>
>No, but I damned near laughed myself off the chair when I read your
>silliness about punishing hate. What a beautiful parody that is of
>the typical overzealous politically correct extremist liberal and you
>said it with such a straight face that I almost believed that you were
>one of them instead of making fun of them.
>
Ah, so you don't believe that there's anything intrinsically wrong
with singling people out because they are Black, or Baptist, or Gay,
or Jewish. You don't think that this is an aggravating factor in a
crime, and increases the gravity of the crime.
Is your motto "When they came for the Jews, I was not Jewish, so I did
not speak up"?
>_The Pale Rider
>
**********************************************************
"If they offered their President up for resignation, we might
have thought differently of it."
-- noted Republican strategist
Rush Limbaugh on the CTBT,
Oct. 15th, 1999.
**********************************************************
Not dead, in jail or a slave?
Thank a liberal!
Liberalism Resurgent, Steve's brilliant
Zepp
wrote:
>SnowDog wrote:
>>
>> Zepp <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>> news:3811b163...@news.snowcrest.net...
>> > Well, Duane, I don't recall in the Matthew Shepard case that anyone
>> > tried to say that ALL white Christian males beat gays up and left them
>> > to die on a fence.
>
>Well Zipper head, I don't recall anyone ever saying that all homosexuals
>were butt fucking heterosexual boys to death... so what's your point?
DUANE! You worked up some courage! Congratulations!
That said, let me quote a little something at you:
> > I will say this, anyone that defends these homosexuals for their actions
> > while condemning the murders of
> > Mathew Shepherd are nothing more than pure hypocrites, and prove that
> > homosexual are looking for and asking for special favors. The media has
> > already proven this by their silence along with all the rest of the left
> > wing socialist sobs.
Sound familiar? Why the presupposition that ANYONE would defend a
brutal murder like the one described?
WHY? Because you think that homosexuals WOULD defend something like
that. To you, this isn't some poor kid killed by a pair of monsters:
this is a "homosexual crime", something intrinsic to gays.
>
>> No one is claiming that ALL homosexuals rape children to death.
How about a sizeable percentage of homosexuals, Duane? Would you say
a sizeable percentage of homosexuals rape children to death?
>>
>> > The crime was horrific, and the guilty should never see the light of
>> > day again. But for you to try to make this a "homosexual" crime,
>> > tarring all gays with this act, puts you, personally, on the exact
>> > moral level of the rapists.
>
>Was it an act of love, or hate? Seeing you agree that it was an horrific
>crime, I believe I can take that at hate, not just being loved to death.
>SO, to put it simply... (take a few minutes to pull your head out of
>your ass, whip the shit out of your eyes Zipper head, and read very
>carefully) IT WAS A HATE CRIME. That is all I ever said it was. YOU
>brought up this BS about a "homosexual" crime, though you have to admit
>this hate crime was committed by two homosexual, who also seem to be
>pedophiles. IF you can't deal with the fact, it is your problem not
>mine.
>
It's a hateful crime, but to meet the definition of a "hate crime",
you have to demonstrate that the boy was picked out for assault
because he was a member of a distinct group. Come up with evidence
that the boy was killed because he was a Baptist (for example), then
you can start talking in terms of hate crimes as the law understands
the term.
>Now, go back to school and learn to read and comprehend what you read as
>I noted that you seem to put quotes around words that are your, implying
>they are mine, and just for once, stop your damn lying and maybe I will
>take a little more time to reply to your post.
>
I put the quotes around the words "homosexual crime" because it's a
distinct phrase. Go get a copy of Strunk and White and read it.
>> Agreed. To me this story is a condemnation of the media. The fact that
>> they bury stories like this is truly disturbing.
>
>Thank-you, this was my point about the media, that brought on Zipper
>heads lies.
>
Ah, Duane! No personal attacks from a moral paragon like you, no
siree!
Zepp
wrote:
>SnowDog wrote:
>>
>> Zepp <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>> news:38145d6b....@news.snowcrest.net...
>>
>> > Because hate itself should be punished--or better still, treated. It
>> > is, after all, a mental illness.
>
>I hate cockroaches, murders, thieves, and especially 'Lying Socialist
>Weasels' as they missquote other by habit therefore untrustworthy as
>well (there are two ways to kill a person. One, kill their body; the
>other is character assassination with lies). Does that mean I am
>mentally ill, or just have good judgement of character?
Nah. I just think you are a painfully stupid man, is all.
>
>Hate is not a crime, and never should be. To act upon that hate and
>cause bodily harm, or destroy one credibility with lies (defamation of
>character) is, as it should be.
>
>> So you think the 1st Amendment is ok, as long as you don't "hate"?
The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
>
>--
>========================================================
>
>"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
>unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with
>unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat
>them over and over." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 184
>
>"Shielding the phone with his right palm, Clinton said he wanted to be
>campaigning: "Its Nazi time out there. We've got to hit them back." --
>George Stephanopoulos, All Too Human, p. 275
>
>=========================================================
**********************************************************
Xerxes
SnowDog wrote:
> Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
> news:3816C811...@student.utwente.nl...
>
> > Hmm interesting, so the media passed on a chance to yell about family
> > values and decay of society, and thus a few more braindead people watched
> > Jerry Springer instead of watching their shows? Not very likely.
>
> The media doesn't yell about that stuff as a matter of course, since it is
> contrary to their agenda, which is to have everyone depend on the
> government.
Hmm media wanting to have the whole nation depend on the government......?
Media wants to have high viewing figures, and the crime described is almost
too perfect to be true for that job.
>
> So, I would not expect them to report on stories that make the decline of
> family values in the US.
People get into congress, senate, and the white house with it, and it's daily
on tv how bad our morals and values are, so i think in reality it's somewhat
different.
> No. But the unusual nature of the incident, a boy being fucked up the ass
> until dead, makes it newsworthy, no matter what the sexual orientation of
> the offenders.
Of course it is, it's a horrible crime they deserve death for (aftersome time
in prison, boy they'll have fun there) but does it need to be posted all over
the usenet? Imagine the title had said Christian instead of gay, and the story
was of some
sexually twisted vicar and well you can imagine the rest. I think posting that
on
alt.religion.christian with cross posts all over the place would show a great
lack
of respect and style on the poster's part, and so does the post this thread
started
with Imho.
> > And if the point was to show that media just report what fits their
> agenda,
> > then why lengthily discuss what exactly they did and how long,
>
> It is a sound refutation to points made that it is not newsworthy.
Of course it's newsworthy, as much as 'any' other brutal rape and murder, not
many of those make it to alt.homosexuality or alt.religion.christian do they?
> If you believe the subject header was the insinuation, you are entitled to
> your opinion, but those are the only words that the poster actually used.
> But I wonder, if the crime involved both different perps and a different
> victim, would you feel that the subject header "Two Arkansas White Men Rape
> & Murder 13 Year Old Black Girl" was meant to insinuate that all white men
> are dangerous to black girls? I wouldn't.
If it was posted to newsgroups alt.heterosexual.male.white and to
alt.black.power (well comparing christians' dislike for gays with racial issues
is
silly but there's no major organization who widely advocates the dislike
of white hetero males) i would probably indeed seek that suggestion behind it.
> > one doesn't want those sinful beasts around the family do you?
>
> I have them in my circle of friends, and one in my family, well, future
> family.
That was directed at the original poster, not at you. But glad to hear
you can deal with it normally :)
Anyway this is taking up way too much bandwidth, i'll quit posting.
X
Duane K. Kelly
>
> > The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
>
> Constitution that states that. It isn't in my copy.
Oh, but it is... in Zipper heads revisionist constitution.... see he
lies a lot.
Duane K. Kelly
>
> SnowDog wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > You don't have a right to work at any particular job, or to live in a
> > specific house. Therefore, you cannot be denied it.
>
> snip
>
> buy or rent where one wants to live, or the *opportunity* to have an
> equal shot a job. those are rights that are denied regularly, too often
> for no good reason.
So, I, a male was denied a job in an all female office, "because [I] was
not what [they] were looking for". That is their right, so I moved on to
go to work were I was what they were looking for. It really would have
prove nothing more than stupidity for me to have took the above to court
and found myself in a job where I was really not wanted... I am sure
that would have been the idea office environment for a fool, however I
am no fool. You may be, but your stupidity has always been somewhat
profound. However, that is just the thing that makes left wing nuts so
repulsive, they believe everyone should love them as they cuss anyone
that does not belive as they do, or cater to their every whim and cry...
crybabies is what I have called them from the time I was 10 years of
age.
So go back and cry to your mommy that someone out here on the net does
not like you and thinks you're nuts.
John De Salvio
<sno...@tobesofhades.org> wrote:
> Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
> news:3816C811...@student.utwente.nl...
>
> > Hmm interesting, so the media passed on a chance to yell about family
> > values and decay of society, and thus a few more braindead people watched
> > Jerry Springer instead of watching their shows? Not very likely.
>
> The media doesn't yell about that stuff as a matter of course, since it is
> contrary to their agenda, which is to have everyone depend on the
> government.
> So, I would not expect them to report on stories that make the decline of
> family values in the US.
>
> > Do you know
> > how many rapes are annually commited in the USA?
>
> I would say that no one does, due to the number of unreported rapes, but as
> for reported ones, about 96,000 per year.
> Of course, the rape is defined by the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program,
> is "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will",
You're a little behind the times. Rape is not restricted to being
a crime against a woman.
so this
> would not be a rape, at least in a way that you could lump it in with the
> 96,000 that the media apparently doesn't care too much about.
>
> > and how many of those
> > make the 6 o' clock news?
>
> No. But the unusual nature of the incident, a boy being fucked up the ass
> until dead, makes it newsworthy, no matter what the sexual orientation of
> the offenders.
>
> > What is a protected class?
>
> Any class of individuals named in a hate crime statute, or affirmative
> action program, or in the ADA laws. That's a start.
>
> > Does that mean WASP?
>
> There are plenty of wasps included in the list.
>
> > Or African American?
>
> There are no African Americans that do not belong to a protected class..
>
> > And if the point was to show that media just report what fits their
> agenda,
> > then why lengthily discuss what exactly they did and how long,
>
> It is a sound refutation to points made that it is not newsworthy.
>
> > and why this
> > title instead of : Media ignores crimes commited by certain minorities.
>
> The post was a news article, a local one.
There seems to be some doubt about that.
There is no physical evidence that the event actually happened,
beyond what is posted on the internet. And if you believe all you
see on the internet....
I have a box of mean-tempered, soiled gerbils to sell you...
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net
John De Salvio
<sno...@tobesofhades.org> wrote:
> Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
> news:38107656...@student.utwente.nl...
> > What can possibly be the point of this post?
> > to prove that there are criminal gays?
>
> I don't think that was the point.
>
> > Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
> > You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
> > on the acts of two of its members.
>
> I do not believe the purpose of the post was that.
>
> > That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
> > being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
> > book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
> > If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
>
> It has apparently pissed you off as it is.
>
> The point of the post is this:
> This crime was ignored completely by major media.
Ummmm....
Because it never happened?
Where does it actually occur IN PRINT?
On an ACTUAL CRIME REPORT?
Zepp
wrote:
>SnowDog wrote:
>>
>> Zepp <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>> news:3817b941....@news.snowcrest.net...
>>
>> > The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
>>
>> Maybe you could quote us the part of the 1st Amendment in your copy of the
>> Constitution that states that. It isn't in my copy.
Poor doggie. Let me try to use small words for you.
We have certain rights, most notably freedom of speech, assembly, and
religion. Haters try to abridge that right, held by others, usually
through violance and terror. Your right not to be bullied by haters
stems from the rights stipulated in the constitution.
>
>Oh, but it is... in Zipper heads revisionist constitution.... see he
>lies a lot.
>
Back to form, Dwhine? That didn't last.
>--
>========================================================
>
>"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
>unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with
>unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat
>them over and over." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 184
>
>"Shielding the phone with his right palm, Clinton said he wanted to be
>campaigning: "Its Nazi time out there. We've got to hit them back." --
>George Stephanopoulos, All Too Human, p. 275
>
>=========================================================
**********************************************************
Pale Rider
>On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 01:53:03 GMT, bluhorse@_NOSPAM_excite.com (Pale
>Rider) wrote:
>>No, but I damned near laughed myself off the chair when I read your
>>silliness about punishing hate. What a beautiful parody that is of
>>the typical overzealous politically correct extremist liberal and you
>>said it with such a straight face that I almost believed that you were
>>one of them instead of making fun of them.
>>
>Ah, so you don't believe that there's anything intrinsically wrong
>with singling people out because they are Black, or Baptist, or Gay,
>or Jewish. You don't think that this is an aggravating factor in a
>crime, and increases the gravity of the crime.
No I don't, actually, but I do believe in singling out people because
they are overzealous politically correct extremists, which explains
this exchange.
>Is your motto "When they came for the Jews, I was not Jewish, so I did
>not speak up"?
You really have a reading comprehension problem, Mr. Zepp. Have you
considered giving the AOL help desk a call and signing up for their
gdy52150 reading comprehension for dummies course?
_The Pale Rider
Pale Rider
>The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
Perhaps Zepp confuses the first amendment, which goes pretty far in
the direction of granting the right to hate, with something he learned
on the Barney show yesterday.
_The Pale Rider
Pale Rider
>Poor doggie. Let me try to use small words for you.
>
>We have certain rights, most notably freedom of speech, assembly, and
>religion. Haters try to abridge that right, held by others, usually
>through violance and terror. Your right not to be bullied by haters
>stems from the rights stipulated in the constitution.
>
This is pathetic, Zepp, but it does provide some insight into the wee
little minds of the politically correct. Hate is an emotion. The
Constitution most certainly does not attempt to guarantee how others
feel towards you. Whatever protection the Constitution provides you
against someone attempting to commit a violent act, terrorize you, or
<snicker> bully you applies equally to those who might hate you, those
who might love you, or those who have no feeling at all toward you. I
think one might actually have a better chance of successfully arguing
the unconstitutionality of redefining the crime based upon the
emotional state of the perpetrator in regards to the victim.
_The Pale Rider
Andrew Northbrook
>The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters.
It DOES?????
Funny, my copy of the First Amendment doesn't say a thing about that. Here's
what it DOES say:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So, Zepp... where's that clause about hate, again??? Is it maybe in that
clause about "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"?
--
think about it,
Andrew Northbrook
Congress: Putting the FUN back into disfunctional
Rainbow Christian
des...@monitor.net (John De Salvio) wrote:
- In article <e77asZMI$GA.222@cpmsnbbsa03>, "SnowDog"
- <sno...@tobesofhades.org> wrote:
-
- > Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
- > news:3816C811...@student.utwente.nl...
- >
- > > Hmm interesting, so the media passed on a chance to yell about family
- > > values and decay of society, and thus a few more braindead people watched
- > > Jerry Springer instead of watching their shows? Not very likely.
- >
- > The media doesn't yell about that stuff as a matter of course, since it is
- > contrary to their agenda, which is to have everyone depend on the
- > government.
- > So, I would not expect them to report on stories that make the decline of
- > family values in the US.
- >
- > > Do you know
- > > how many rapes are annually commited in the USA?
- >
- > I would say that no one does, due to the number of unreported rapes, but as
- > for reported ones, about 96,000 per year.
- > Of course, the rape is defined by the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program,
- > is "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will",
-
- You're a little behind the times. Rape is not restricted to being
- a crime against a woman.
-
-
- so this
- > would not be a rape, at least in a way that you could lump it in with the
- > 96,000 that the media apparently doesn't care too much about.
- >
- > > and how many of those
- > > make the 6 o' clock news?
- >
- > No. But the unusual nature of the incident, a boy being fucked up the ass
- > until dead, makes it newsworthy, no matter what the sexual orientation of
- > the offenders.
- >
- > > What is a protected class?
- >
- > Any class of individuals named in a hate crime statute, or affirmative
- > action program, or in the ADA laws. That's a start.
- >
- > > Does that mean WASP?
- >
- > There are plenty of wasps included in the list.
- >
- > > Or African American?
- >
- > There are no African Americans that do not belong to a protected class..
- >
- > > And if the point was to show that media just report what fits their
- > agenda,
- > > then why lengthily discuss what exactly they did and how long,
- >
- > It is a sound refutation to points made that it is not newsworthy.
- >
- > > and why this
- > > title instead of : Media ignores crimes commited by certain minorities.
- >
- > The post was a news article, a local one.
-
- There seems to be some doubt about that.
- There is no physical evidence that the event actually happened,
- beyond what is posted on the internet. And if you believe all you
- see on the internet....
-
- I have a box of mean-tempered, soiled gerbils to sell you...
-
- --
- John
The story, thanfuky does indeed appear to be a sick farce.
The Washington Post has no record of the article quoted, not to mention
that 3 of the top papers in
Arkansas, and 2 of the top TV stations there have no record of this event.
In addition, the regional AP Wire covering Arkansas, also has no record of
this either.
What this proves to is that people who are afraid ofgay people must use
lies, in a vain attempt to make their irrational thinking towards gay
people to be perceived as normal.
In the end, all it really proves is that bigots must lie to prove their
point, and that without their lies, they have nothing left but their own
unresolved issues about their own sexuality., or any ratiolnal reason to
treat gay people with the same respect as they demand for themselves.
--
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734
-
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true. whatever is noble, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things. Philippiams 4:8
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.ufmcc.com
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
Duane K. Kelly
Now, now Pale Rider, don't confuse Zipper head, as he believe hate is an
action, not an emotion, and we surely don't what him to be come
emotionally upset and do something rash... like "hate", as the last
time, he called a conservative black, a "house nigger".
(Where do all these illiterate, uneducated, incompetent people come
from, the state school system?)
Duane K. Kelly
I believe he already has... that would answer the reason Zipper head and
Silverback both have the same reading and comprehension problems.
Geo
news items, including AP. They even give the names of the murderers and
victim. If this happens to be a farce then there just happens to be
another case out there or two men from ark. who raped and murdered a 13
year old boy. Gee, what a coincidence, huh?
<snip the rest>
Jeffrey Scott Linder
> The Washington Post has no record of the article quoted, not to mention
>that 3 of the top papers in
>Arkansas, and 2 of the top TV stations there have no record of this event.
>In addition, the regional AP Wire covering Arkansas, also has no record of
>this either.
That's too bad. I wonder who it was I say on TV being carted away in
cuffs for the very crimes described?
>
>What this proves to is that people who are afraid ofgay people must use
>lies, in a vain attempt to make their irrational thinking towards gay
>people to be perceived as normal.
>
> In the end, all it really proves is that bigots must lie to prove their
>point, and that without their lies, they have nothing left but their own
>unresolved issues about their own sexuality., or any ratiolnal reason to
>treat gay people with the same respect as they demand for themselves.
>
Since no one appears to be lying about this story how does this affect
your conclusions?
http://library.ardemgaz.com/LibrarySearch.asp
Byline: MICHELLE BRADFORD ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE
Text: BENTONVILLE -- Benton County Circuit Judge David Clinger on
Monday refused a defense attorney's request to impose a gag order in
the case against Davis Don Carpenter and Joshua Macave Brown, both
accused of killing a teen-age boy. Carpenter, 38, and his r
>--
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/27/news/0927doydied.shtml
Boy died during rape, officials say
Photo by Aaron Skinner, The Morning News
Davis Don Carpenter Jr., 38, the second man arrested in the death of a
13-year-old boy, is led into the Rogers Police Department on Sunday
evening.
Police hold two in connection with death
Aaron Skinner, The Morning News
The body of a 13-year-old boy was found in a Rogers apartment early
Sunday, and two men were in custody in connection with his death late
Sunday at the Rogers Police Department.
Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Brad Butler said the evidence
suggested that the youth died while being raped.
Both men have been arrested on capital-murder charges, and authorities
expect probable cause/bond hearings in the case either today or
Tuesday.
Joshua Brown, 22, of Rogers has also been charged with rape in
connection with the incident. Davis Don Carpenter Jr., 38, was
arrested Sunday night in Springdale on the capital-murder charge.
Officials would not reveal the identity of the victim Sunday.
Butler announced his intention to seek the capital-murder charge as
detectives arrived to execute a search warrant Sunday afternoon at an
apartment at 1207 W. Sunset Drive. The address is adjacent to
Northwest Park.
Although the exact cause of death will be determined by an autopsy at
the state Medical Examiner’s Office, Butler said there was evidence to
suggest the boy died during the commission of the rape, hence the
capital-murder charges.
Capital murder can be charged when a death happens during the
commission of another crime, such as rape. The maximum penalty for
capital murder is death by lethal injection.
Police and fire officials were called to the Sunset Drive address at
4:53 a.m. after a 911 call about a dead person at that address.
The boy was found not breathing at the apartment and was pronounced
dead at St. Mary’s Hospital.
Brown and Carpenter were both interviewed as the investigation
developed. Brown was arrested Sunday morning in connection with the
rape, while Carpenter was released because investigators did not have
enough evidence to tie him to the rape at that time, Lt. Frankie Hart
said.
Further investigation led police to level charges against Carpenter,
who was found in Springdale and picked up, Hart said.
Officers dressed in white plastic protective suits spent about six
hours Sunday afternoon and evening going through the apartment
collecting evidence. The suits were used as a precaution against
crime-scene contamination, Hart said.
Jeffrey Scott Linder
>In article <eCWfByAI$GA.309@cpmsnbbsa05>, "SnowDog"
><sno...@tobesofhades.org> wrote:
>
>> Xerxes <a.j.denh...@student.utwente.nl> wrote in message
>> news:38107656...@student.utwente.nl...
>> > What can possibly be the point of this post?
>> > to prove that there are criminal gays?
>>
>> I don't think that was the point.
>>
>> > Of course there are, just as there are criminal heterosexual people.
>> > You're just trying to discredit an entire group of people based
>> > on the acts of two of its members.
>>
>> I do not believe the purpose of the post was that.
>>
>> > That is in every way possible more immoral and foul than
>> > being of an alternative sexual persuasion, regardless of how your holy
>> > book can be interpreted in setting rules for sexual behavior.
>> > If i had been gay this post would have pissed me off beyond belief.
>>
>> It has apparently pissed you off as it is.
>>
>> The point of the post is this:
>> This crime was ignored completely by major media.
>
>Ummmm....
>
>Because it never happened?
>
>Where does it actually occur IN PRINT?
>
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/27/news/0927doydied.shtml
>On an ACTUAL CRIME REPORT?
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
The two men arrested Sunday in connection with the murder of a
13-year-old Prairie Grove boy in Rogers were ordered held without bond
Monday, and Prosecuting Attorney Brad Butler said he will seek the
death penalty in the capital-murder case.
“This is a very brutal and horrific crime, and we will be seeking the
death penalty,” Butler said after a hearing in Benton County Circuit
Court. “We’re ready to go, ready to file charges. Our hearts go out to
the victim’s family. No one deserves to lose a child in this manner.”
Joshua Macave Brown, 22, and Davis Don Carpenter, 38, were in court
Monday for a probable-cause hearing in connection with the murder of
Jesse Dirkhising.
Dirkhising was found near death at the home of the two men at 1207 W.
Sunset St. in Rogers, police said. Dirkhising was taken by ambulance
to St. Mary’s Hospital in Rogers, where he was pronounced dead at 5:32
a.m.
Brown stood staring at the floor for most of his court appearance.
Carpenter, who was seated in the jury box, had been in the courtroom
for some time reading the affidavit detailing the charges against him.
As he read, Carpenter repeatedly shook his head and muttered, “No.”
Members of Dirkhising’s family sat weeping, and one woman, identified
as the boy’s mother, clutched a teddy bear and a framed photograph.
At Monday’s hearing in Bentonville, Circuit Judge David Clinger agreed
to consider a request to seal parts of the affidavit of probable
cause, detailing the accusations against the men. Charles Duell, the
public defender representing Brown, said publication of the
information could prevent the defendants from receiving a fair trial.
A hearing on that motion was set for 1:30 p.m. today.
Clinger allowed an edited version to be released, and Butler, along
with Rogers Police Chief Tim Keck and Sgt. Terry Woodside, discussed
the information that investigators have gathered about the events
leading to the boy’s death.
According to Butler, Dirkhising had known Brown and Carpenter for
several months and had been spending weekends at their residence in
Rogers. According to the affidavit, the family believed the boy had
been working at a hair-styling shop where Carpenter worked.
Police received a 911 emergency call placed from the residence at 4:53
a.m. Sunday. When police officers and a Rogers Fire Department
ambulance arrived, a man later identified as Carpenter met them.
Carpenter, described as very upset, repeatedly told the officers,
“He’s not breathing.” Dirkhising was found on the floor of a bedroom
with duct tape around one wrist. When asked about the tape, Brown
reportedly told officers they were “just playing a game.” While being
questioned at the scene, Brown allegedly assaulted Cpl. Rick Simmons
and was arrested.
Butler said Monday that the boy had been raped repeatedly over a
period of hours, including with foreign objects. While the rapes were
occurring, Butler said, the boy was bound with duct tape at his
ankles, knees and wrists and also was gagged and blindfolded. Butler
also said there is some evidence the boy was drugged, and a quantity
of a sedative known as amitryptiline was found at the residence.
Police found quantities of other drugs, including suspected
methamphetamine, along with items commonly used in sexual bondage.
Notes making reference to various sex acts and the use of pills and
duct tape also were found at the residence.
Butler said the two men raped Dirkhising at least six times. Each was
charged with six counts of rape in addition to capital murder. Butler
said the boy was left bound and gagged after the last rape while the
two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men returned, Butler
said, they found the boy, apparently dead, and made the 911 emergency
call.
>
>--
>John
I wonder what the reaction would have been if the Mathew Shepard case
was dismissed as "never happening"?
JSL