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Malachi-Eliyah

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Jan 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/31/97
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Please read and then see if you can answer my question.
I would like to discover how to measure pyramid height in constructing.

Many people say that PI is used in the pyramids.
This is not true unless the pyramid has a slope of 52 degrees or
43 degrees. The reason is because when the base and height
are 4:1 they produce a 52 degree slope and when they are 3:1
they produce a 43 degree slope.
I posted a list using Netscape, a list
which charted the multiples of base and height
but I guess some computers cannot translate degree symbols
nor the pi symbol. They seem to be the same computers which place
an = sign as every carriage return.
Of the 25 pyramids I listed, only five slopes are of these two
possible angles of 52 or 43, the bent pyramid being both (52 then 43).
Thus the other slopes were not created the same way;
PI was not used in at least 20 of the 80 Egyptian pyramids.

PI was obtained but NOT deliberately known.
This is how. If a wheel stone were made with a cubit diameter,
it would be done by taking a cubit string and folding the string in half around
an axel pin. With the string folded in half (as a half-cubit)
the string can be swung around the pin to draw a circle with
a cubit diameter. Such a stone can be rolled 7 times and it will
measure 22 cubits. If though the string is used as a cubit-radius it makes
a 2-cubit diameter stone, then rolling it 7 times will measure 44 cubits.
Of course this only measures horizontally; you cannot roll a stone vertically.
ANY SUGGESTIONS for the height?

Drawing a circle with a cubit string (cubit radius) which results in a 2-cubit
diameter stone appears to be how the Great Pyramid was marked off.
This is evident not only by the magical 7 they found but also because
the Great Pyramid is 440 cubits in length (10x44 cubits) which would
mean a cubit-radius stone was rolled 70 times, in contrast to a cubit diameter
being rolled 140 times. (Two cubits is about a 3-foot yard, elbow to elbow.)
Having known this for about 10 years, I have long been interested in how
the height of 280 cubits was measured [?] being 40x 7 cubits.
It is the number 7 which gives this pyramid the Pi relation of base to height.

gates

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In article <32F1D9...@wi.net>, Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes
er.. hi! I like your style. However, pyramids were built from scale
plans and the ideal division of a tenth or a hundredth implies that you
can reproduce this cubitt to scale with a drawing instrument.

Stonehenge seems to have provided a gold "breastplate" I take as a
square (from a nearby barrow) and there were always the measurements of
the pace (megalithic yard?) and by the eye to a stave and with an A
shape wooden thing with a ball dangling between it for inclines.
(Druidic knowledge so sucks to anyone who disagrees, I know.) However,
accurate measuring/drawing instruments are another matter. Someone on
here may know of something odd being discovered and now realising it for
what it is. However, if not, I think it will be because the things
rotted. What I reckon is that measuring wheels were used both on paper
and ground and that these were not stone but, say, leather and wood or
papyrus. A ouija board spirit claiming to be a pyramid mathematician
(oh alright I know it's whacky) laughed at our ignorance and claimed the
use of a simple slide rule as well as other things. One was the sun
wheel. The 8 paths to magic is an asterisk in a circle and the symbol
is pretty universal. In sanskrit days a swastika was used and this
carried forward into other cultures. Only when lesser tribes started
scratching the symbol, however, did the feet become right angles.
Before they formed a wheel with breaks. My theory is that the spoked
wheel was used for measuring before anyone thought of putting spokes in
cart wheels etc. As you will gather the eight spokes, or four, referred
to here would supply quite accurate measurements. Indeed, a 2.2 inch
wheel representing a 22" cubitt would divide up into approx. 3" sections
when applied. Back then the spoke coming from the centre to the edge to
divide into 8 must have seemed as magical as a mobius loop seems to a
novice riding his bike in space to the underside by just keeping going.

All this stuff is pure conjecture I know but I also know there's none so
blind as those who won't see and so often the answer is before us. So,
who knows what's in those fusty old drawers at the museum? (And I don't
mean the curator's wife's knickers :-)

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Stix

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RICHARD MICHAEL SCHILLER posted the following to alt.atheism,

>Please read and then see if you can answer my question.
>I would like to discover how to measure pyramid height in constructing.

Ahh, I checked the headers in this post as well as the cross-posted list,
and it *WAS* you who forged that post by "stix." Nice one, liar for the
lord, but you also gave yourself away by leaving your "a man masturbating
publicly but going unwatched," sig file off this email. Whassamatter? Did
poor widdle Wichy forget to put his sig file back after the forgery?

<snip remainder of garbage>


Stix
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Malachi-Eliyah

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The Great Pyramid was built at 30 degrees latitude.
Only at this latitude does the star Sirius have an absence for 70 days,
from Julian May 8 to July 17 of 2170 BC.

(72 days at 31 degrees, 68 days at 29 degrees)

When king Mesannipada (Peleg) of Ur died in 2030 BC (not 2321 BC)
and king Unas (Unis) of Saqqara (Sakkara) died in 2030 BC (not 2321 BC)
it si the star Sirius who went from setting Canis in the west to become
rising Anubis in the east. (the dog standing up as man) being a symbol of
man's future resurrection. Egyptians mourned Jacob for 70 days
when he died in Egypt.(His embalming for 40 days represented Osiris
the winter moon or winter sun as a symbol of Noah passing thru the water
as good as dead in a coffin for 40 days until the starry sky returned).
Being 440 cubits in length the Great Pyramid base was easily
measured by rolling a cubit radius stone (2-cubit diameter
being about a yard) 70 times. Rolling it 7 times measures 44 cubits,
and rolling it 70 times measures 440 cubits.
This is what produces the Pi factor in the pyramids whose slopes
are 52 degrees or 43 degrees. Pi = 22 / 7 and thus cubit lengths divisible
by 22 or 44 etc are measured by 7 rolls of a stone.

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Lawrence Sayre

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In message <5KA9TCAJ...@gates.demon.co.uk> - gates
<ga...@gates.demon.co.uk> writes:
:>
:>In article <32F1D9...@wi.net>, Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes
:>>Please read and then see if you can answer my question.

:>>I would like to discover how to measure pyramid height in constructing.
:>>
:>>Many people say that PI is used in the pyramids.
:>>This is not true unless the pyramid has a slope of 52 degrees or
:>>43 degrees. The reason is because when the base and height

My understanding is that the Egyptians had a few catastrophic failures in
earlier pyramid building attempts due to slopes which were too acute! The
evidence is right near the great pyramids. They even had to reduce the incline
of one pyramid that was about 1/3 done (from that point on), after another
nearby fell into a rubble heap!

Then they got smart and started to learn about stability in nature. They
observed that whenever they poured a large quantity of sand the resulting pile
of sand always had the exact same measurable slope (incline). They reasoned
that this is natures most stable slope. They then built pyramids with the
exact same slope, and amazingly they were stable also. No need to have any
knowledge of PI!

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Malachi-Eliyah

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Feb 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/1/97
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Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> My understanding is that the Egyptians had a few catastrophic failures in
> earlier pyramid building attempts due to slopes which were too acute! The
> evidence is right near the great pyramids. They even had to reduce the incline
> of one pyramid that was about 1/3 done (from that point on), after another
> nearby fell into a rubble heap!
> Then they got smart and started to learn about stability in nature. They
> observed that whenever they poured a large quantity of sand the resulting pile
> of sand always had the exact same measurable slope (incline). They reasoned
> that this is natures most stable slope. They then built pyramids with the
> exact same slope, and amazingly they were stable also. No need to have any
> knowledge of PI!
> lsa...@en.com <Lawrence Sayre>

Happy to get a reply from a sincere behaved scholar...you.
http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/Pyrmid/PyrmdPi.GIF
This is a textbook scan of the use of Pi occuring from rolling a stone.
A cubit diameter must be rolled 7 times to make 22 cubits.
The number 7 was of heaven because of the visible moving objects,
the sun, moon, and 5 planets. It was like magic to discover the number
of times to circle an object to arrive at a whole number of any unit measure.
However a cubit radius rolled 7 times is 44 cubits. Because rolling this the
religious number of 70 times gives us the Great Pyramid base of 440 cubits,
it is definate fact that is what they did.

As regards incline causing collapse. I never thought of the sand and am
happy to have learned this from you (no matter whoever you are).
But my post revealed 25 pyramids that do NOT have the same slope
as sand would have. Here is what they did to resolve the collapsing tower.
http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/Pyrmid/NDashurPyrmd2.GIF
Previous pyramids were laid horizontally so that weight caused pressure
to slide them outward. They learned that a slanted footing is perpendicular to
the pressure; and that this need be done ONLY to the internal mass to
prevent collapse of the Tower which God kept making collapse.

Mark Waluk

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>
> The Great Pyramid was built at 30 degrees latitude.
> Only at this latitude does the star Sirius have an absence for 70 days,
> from Julian May 8 to July 17 of 2170 BC.
>
> (72 days at 31 degrees, 68 days at 29 degrees)
>
> When king Mesannipada (Peleg) of Ur died in 2030 BC (not 2321 BC)
> and king Unas (Unis) of Saqqara (Sakkara) died in 2030 BC (not 2321 BC)


Since your such an expert on ancient dates perhaps you could answer
I question I have had for some time, what were Charles Russels sources
for obtaining 607 BC as the date for the destruction of the temple?

Mark Waluk

Malachi-Eliyah

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Morgoth <mor...@nome.net>
>I do find it interesting that one of the names of Odin/Thor was
>Tiwaz. Crucifixtion was a form of sacrifice, that some say was
>invented by the Phonecians, but it might be a common form of
>sacrifice. Much like Odin/Woden sacrificing himself on the world
>tree (crucified), or was it originally hung (a form of
>punishment, but also a sacrifice to Odin) (Where we get how
>common people are hung, but royals are decapitated).

Ah, I see.
The confusion is from Tau (leter-T) meaning crossing.
Kramer's (and others) study of Sumerian and Akkadian
show that it evolved from an asterik which meant
heaven or star. Thus the crossing of Jupiter or Mars
could be debated as I have discovered last year
between Jupiter-Marduk and the original Mars-Marduk.
It comes from people thinking they are listening to the
same words or seeing the same thing. Like the woman
who admires the late nite church choir in the horizon,
and the husband hearing the crickets says
To think they do that with their legs.
Marduk was east-west when it was started
observation for 52 years. But upon rising in 2009 BC
to determine the average as a 780-day cycle, Jupiter
was rising east-west as Marduk's temple had been built
52 years earlier.

Thor is Zeus, both having the description of weather.
Both are given the epoch (Noah's Flood) as their birth.
The creation of the current world created them, or reversed
they created the new world. Jupiter marked this year,
despite the fact that the planet is not our weather, nor
air, of which its clouds can over power our seeing Jupiter.
Of course, this does not mean that the planet has actually
proved inferior to our atmosphere. But certainly the air
(Thor = Zeus) effects us more than Jupiter does.
Yes Jupiter has a crossing; my site shows this.
As of 2009 BC every 12 yrs but 83 yrs the planet
crosses Taurus in the west in spring before its
solar conjunction. So I have chosen the two terms
Jova for Jupiter (jehova) and Tau for crossing so that
Jova-Tau and Mars-Tau are the two Tamuz (crossings)
which are followed by heliacal-rise (Marduk),
birth of the SON, of Utu, the sun, or God.

So I have caught your implication that Tiwaz is Tamuz,
though you didnt actually come out and say so.
But gee, look how stupid all these scholars keep posting
that I am.


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God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.

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Malachi-Eliyah

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Feb 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/2/97
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Mark Waluk wrote:
> Since your such an expert on ancient dates perhaps you could answer
> I question I have had for some time, what were Charles Russels sources
> for obtaining 607 BC as the date for the destruction of the temple?
> Mark Waluk

The fact that there are two scriptures. One which says the
captivity would be 70 years in Babylon. And one that says the land would stay
vacant and desolate for 70 years to fulfill Sabbath of the farmland.
They did not crop rotate and so the 7-year rest was to prevent mineral
depleting which causes famine. It came from Joseph's day where Egypt
was already depleting the farmland and Joseph pushed it for 7 years more
causing a 7-year famine (1730-1723 BC).
The start of 1730 BC famine was the end of 213-year 12th dynasty Egypt
(1943-1730 BC based on Phaophi 16 Jan 6 of 1824 BC record
confused as Pharmuthi 16 July 10 Quban Sothis of 1824 BC;
date was formerly calculated as July 20 of 1884 BC, and last calculated
by Oriental Institute Parker as July 17 of 1872 BC...he confirmed lunar dates).
Russell actually said 606 BC to 536 BC, based on the then popular figure
536 BC, and Russel's common practice of sticking with our January years.
While regarding January as the 4th Jewish month of the previous
YEAR-number A.D. , he sometimes broke this consistency by looking
to the next autumn as the year he was calculating. Though skeptics claim
606 BC was changed to 607 BC to fit a correct 2520 yrs to 1914, the fact is
that the 536 BC was proven to have referred to specifically the 7th month
autumn of 537 BC (4 months before Russell's jan 536 BC he kept using).
So the alignment of Autumn 607 BC was automatic and did not require
changing Russell, merely being more precise as to the New Year as
October not January.
Russell wrongly uses 450 years of judges, thus 580 to the temple,
and his kings are 393 yrs instead of the correct 390.
Thus his 1615 BC Exodus to 1035 BC temple to 999 BC division
is incorrect from the 1513 BC Exodus to 1034 BC temple to 997 BC division
of the 40-year current Watchtower which I can now verify by astronomy
and all world calendars. HOW?
Keep knocking and God will give. Even to the sinners God whom God
gives rain and sun to, he gives true answers even to atheists if they keep
knocking on the door for truth and not fabrication. Seek truth and you are
my brother even if you are atheist.
Your seeking truth is what changes and corrects you.

g...@3-cities.com

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Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

>Please read and then see if you can answer my question.

Fuck off.

You are not worthy of a reasonable response.

Forger and asswipe RICHARD SCHILLER.

Lying for your lord again, DICK?

Geo
"No I don't understand." - Jahnu (aka smurf-breath)


Dionysius

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>John the Foreskin wrote:

>But gee, look how stupid all these scholars keep posting
>that I am.

Maybe there onto something there Mr. mumbo jumbo!

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R. Gaenssmantel

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Malachi-Eliyah (eli...@wi.net) wrote:
[...]
: a cubit diameter. Such a stone can be rolled 7 times and it will

: measure 22 cubits. If though the string is used as a cubit-radius it makes
: a 2-cubit diameter stone, then rolling it 7 times will measure 44 cubits.
: Of course this only measures horizontally; you cannot roll a stone vertically.

That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.

Ralf

Malachi-Eliyah

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Morgoth
>Sorry, please explain? I am not clear on your meaning, sorry.
>Just got home from work, and I am a bit mentally drained..

I was wondering if you were implying that Tiwas came from Tamuz.
If so, I see the connection thru Thor.
Thos is weather with thunderbolts as is Zeus,
and these have been equated as Jupiter.
Jupiter comes from Zeus-pitar.
And Hislop makes it clear that it can be translated
either way as Father Zeus or father of Zeus.
And unfortunately since Zeus also comes from God (Theos)
it could also be Father God or father of God.
The point is that in studying mythology I found
the religions of the world marking the creation of
this world by Noah's Flood with the planet Jupiter.
Genesis clearly indicates the concept that our
current weather was born or created after a sphere
of water had collapsed. The Jupiter rise I accept is
January 6 of 2369 BC in Capricorn aside venus who
is another god claimed to stop the Flood.

So with Thor and Tiwas
compared to
Jupiter and Tamuz
there is a link.
The link is that Jupiter who many claim is Marduk
was observed for an 12-year, 83-year, and 996-yr crossing
(a Tau or Tamuz) between the two stars (horns) of
Taurus in 2009 BC the same year that the rise of Mars
rose on the summer solstice as the real Marduk.
A rise of Mars (or Jupiter) always occurs after a
Tamuz or crossing of the sun.

erikc

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On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:56:25 +0000
REICHARD SCHILLER aka Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net>
amateur net-forger and professional psycho
as message <32F6EB...@wi.net>
-- posted from: alt.atheism:

[incredible horseshit snipped]

Smack it up your ass where it came from you lying sack of shit!

>|************
>|A voice crying out and sounding like a fart,
>|(40 years Oct 7) whacked out of his mind

[blah, blah, blah]

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Martin Fox

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Feb 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/5/97
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But the Bible says that pi is 3. Read it in the description of one of
the vessels in Solomon's temple.

Sorry, I can't give the referrence, I'm not a thumper who quotes ch. and
v. It would be in I Kings.

Martin Fox

Malachi-Eliyah

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Feb 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/7/97
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> R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
> > That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
> > is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
> > adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
> > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
> > Ralf

This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
far the decimal has been carried.

3.14
3.1428
3.1428571
3.1428571428

Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
3.1428571428 from.
Pi was discovered by wraping a cord around a column or tree until
the cord was the same equal units as the diameter. It proved to be that
7 times around was 22 times the diameter. You cant change that, nor could
you ever show me how pi is calculated if not by dividing 22 by 7.

The shame about people who reply by posted word,
is that they throw into confusion all the readers who then do not
know what to believe and thus do not care. This is why death rates rise.
There is a time to keep your mouth shut lest you be like Saul of Tarsus
whose bloody hands was washed cleaned by a never-ending life of
preaching to save lives. He still had to change his name to Paul to start over;
who in the world would ever again listen to Saul?
(both sides would have hated him, and he DID face that)

Timothy Schmits

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Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:


>This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
>or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
>And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>far the decimal has been carried.

>3.14
>3.1428
>3.1428571
>3.1428571428

You're in the dark ages of mathematics. PI is about 3.14159. PI is
irrational and cannot be expressed as a fraction involving whole
numbers. 22/7 is just a short cut for approximating PI. One way to
calculate PI is to use calculus to express PI as a limit of rational
numbers as the limit approaches the actual irrational value:

3.14
3.142
3.1416
3.14159
3.141593
3.1415926

etc.

22/7 becomes inaccurate at the third decimal point.
Another thing: 22/7 is a REPEATING FRACTION. After a few decimal
points it just repeats the same sequence of numbers, and someone would
have to be an idiot to try and calculate it to millions of decimal
points. 22/7 is rational since it can be expressed as a fraction,
even though it repeats.

People used to think that PI was exactly 3 if you can believe that.


John Charnock

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Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:
>> R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
>> > That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
>> > is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
>> > adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
>> > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
>> > Ralf
>
>This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
>or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
>And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>far the decimal has been carried.
>
>Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
>3.1428571428 from.

First of all, apologies for the cross-posting, I don't know where this
joker (eliyah) is sending this crap from, and he ought to read this
answer (though I suspect I am wasting my time)

The fraction 22/7 is an approximation to pi
The first few digits in the decimal expansion of pi are (from memory):-
3.141592653589793238462643383279... NOT 3.142857142857...
pi is not only irrational (cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers)
it is also transcendental (it cannot be expressed as the solution of a
finite polynomial. There are formulae for calculating pi, generally in
the form of infinite series which converge more or less rapidly.
Is that clear? 22/7 is not exactly equal to pi.

John Charnock


Sieve

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On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
> or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
> And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
> Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
> far the decimal has been carried.
>

> 3.14
> 3.1428
> 3.1428571
> 3.1428571428

OK, fool, now go to a mathematics BOOK and look up the value of pi,
and then apologize for your incompetence. Pi cannot be expressed exactly
as a fraction, especially not as 22/7, which repeats after a few decimal
places. Pi is also not the solution to any finite polynomial. It can be
approximaed through cal...um, big, hard math.


> Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
> 3.1428571428 from.

Who? The gnomes inside your head?

> The shame about people who reply by posted word,
> is that they throw into confusion all the readers who then do not
> know what to believe and thus do not care. This is why death rates rise.

I conceed you the point about confusion, as you are an unwitting example
of just such a phenomenon. I would like, though, for you to tell me
exactly how deat...oh, never mind.

> There is a time to keep your mouth shut lest you be like Saul of Tarsus
> whose bloody hands was washed cleaned by a never-ending life of
> preaching to save lives. He still had to change his name to Paul to start
> over; who in the world would ever again listen to Saul?
> (both sides would have hated him, and he DID face that)

Look, you walking repository of god-spunk, nobody gives a good goddamn
about your mythical icons and their laundried lilly-white skin. Is this
why you keep changing your name all the time? Because you think no one
will believe you? Like Saul of Tarsus? Got some blood on your hands,
Elie?

sieve

Malachi-Eliyah

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Feb 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/7/97
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Timothy Schmits wrote:
> You're in the dark ages of mathematics. PI is about 3.14159. PI is
> irrational and cannot be expressed as a fraction involving whole
> numbers. 22/7 is just a short cut for approximating PI. One way to
> calculate PI is to use calculus to express PI as a limit of rational
> numbers as the limit approaches the actual irrational value:

> 3.14
> 3.142
> 3.1416
> 3.14159
> 3.141593
> 3.1415926

> 22/7 becomes inaccurate at the third decimal point.

God, that is bad. You've now made me paranoid about using 22/7.
My dad says he lost a job in his teens because he didnt know Pi,
which I presume he meant x22 / 7 . ( I impressed him !
First listening ear I ever got. )
Like all American schools teaching that scholars who spoke against Columbus
claimed the world was flat as if they were stupid and Columbus smart !
1992 books revealed that a scholastic lie;
common records which show common knowledge that
scholars knew the world was 24,000 miles around (presuming a huge
15,000 mile ocean to Japango) while Columbus insisted Earth was 8000
miles smaller and only 7000 miles to Asia. They fought Columbus with facts
and the Queen let Columbus go for religious reasons and greed for jewels
and gold power.

> Another thing: 22/7 is a REPEATING FRACTION. After a few decimal
> points it just repeats the same sequence of numbers, and someone would
> have to be an idiot to try and calculate it to millions of decimal
> points.

I knew this since high school. But look what people do for novelty and
Guinness records...who ever said that the decimals were being carried
out by rational men. Take Mount Everest as an example of how many
scholars or those rich-minded in business are rational in mind. And as
long as a person doesnt understand me, they wont regard me as rational either.

>22/7 is rational since it can be expressed as a fraction,
> even though it repeats.
> People used to think that PI was exactly 3 if you can believe that.

I see dumb things people believe, but those that believe it did nothing
to check it out with proof.

Malachi-Eliyah

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> Adam Felson says
> 22/7 is only an approximation. PI can not be expressed via any
> rational fraction; it is an irrational number.

> 3.1415926536

This doesnt look anywhere near 22/7 to me.
So then you are saying that the only way to carry Pi out
to further 1000s of decimal places
is not merely by continuing the method
used for dividing (as can be done with any fraction)
but rather by taking finer measurements of units...
like millimeters versus inches,
and like microns versus millimeters.
If that's what you mean, I can understand that.
So how would you alter 22/7 into a more accurate Pi...
give me an example like 22.13 / 7 or 22 / 7.11 ???

I excuse my misunderstanding with these words....
we live in a world where you guys never seek
to educate anyone because you are too exalted in the fact of
what you know and dont care if others do.

Martin Fox has just replied with name calling,
at least you followed up with a 10-decimal figure different than 22/7.
But you have now produced a problem of how I or others could
calculate Pi by ourselves...with our own calculators.
To me the biggest brains know nothing if they cant teach,
because then.....who can ever teach them !
The higher you go by yourself...
the more certainty you'll die when you finally fall...
and we ALL fall.
Perfection is not the state of impossibility to fall,
it is the state of impossibility to HEAL from the fall.
Common knowledge...big falls heal slow...or not at all...
or even kill you. So it is with today's TOP educators.
I say this stuff to better you and to better me.
And so goes unresolved the Pi issue of determining Pi.
It is also a sidetrack from the issue that 80 pyramids
do not measure Pi as five are claimed to.

Alan M. Dunsmuir

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In article <32FAF3...@wi.net>, Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes

>This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
>or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
>And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>far the decimal has been carried.
>
>3.14
>3.1428
>3.1428571
>3.1428571428

Actually, as has been pointed out, pi is an irrational whose value
starts 3.14159265...

Mathematicians use a variety of sequence calculations to generate its
value to as many decimal places as are required, speed of convergence
being the prime criterion of choice of the sequence.

As you demonstrate above, the approximation 22/7 is rather poor and only
accurate to three significant figures, or 0.04%.
--
Alan M. Dunsmuir

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des wolt ih mih darben,
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John P. Boatwright

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> > R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
> > > That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
> > > is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
> > > adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
> > > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
> > > Ralf

> This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
> or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
> And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
> Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
> far the decimal has been carried.

> 3.14
> 3.1428
> 3.1428571
> 3.1428571428

> Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
> 3.1428571428 from.

Wrong, pi to a few places is:

3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

22/7 is only a "rough" approximation of pi.

For proof, just enter 22/7 into the Windows scientific calculator,
set for "radians" and take the "sin" function. The answer should
give zero when the true value for pi is used. Of course it doesn't
and gives -0.001264488.... which is wrong. Then try the number
given above and you'll get about 10 billion times closer to zero
for the same calculation. Since you can never get exactly to the
value of pi, the "sin" calculation will never go fully to zero
(but close enough for this example).

Best wishes.

John P. Boatwright

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> Timothy Schmits wrote:
> > 22/7 becomes inaccurate at the third decimal point.

> God, that is bad. You've now made me paranoid about using 22/7.
> My dad says he lost a job in his teens because he didnt know Pi,
> which I presume he meant x22 / 7 . ( I impressed him !
> First listening ear I ever got. )

Well, 22/7 is reasonably accurate for those back 2-4000 years ago.
It's 0.04% high from the true value and the error is more than lost
in the measurements (1 part in 2484) for small projects.

stufnten

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On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> > R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
> > > That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
> > > is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
> > > adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
> > > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
> > > Ralf
>
> This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
> or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
> And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.

Wrong!

> Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
> far the decimal has been carried.

Wrong!

pi~ 3.1415927
22/7=3.1428571

Discrepencies by the 4 sig fig, fool.

> Pi was discovered by wraping a cord around a column or tree until
> the cord was the same equal units as the diameter. It proved to be that
> 7 times around was 22 times the diameter. You cant change that, nor could
> you ever show me how pi is calculated if not by dividing 22 by 7.

Wrong.

Mathematics has advanced some since the days of the ancient egyptians.

> The shame about people who reply by posted word,
> is that they throw into confusion all the readers who then do not
> know what to believe and thus do not care. This is why death rates rise.

Confusion over halfwits like yourself posting inaccurate accounts of pi?

stufnten, Toby
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stufnten

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On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> > 3.1415926536
>
> This doesnt look anywhere near 22/7 to me.

Of course it doesn't!

Eejit.

> So then you are saying that the only way to carry Pi out
> to further 1000s of decimal places
> is not merely by continuing the method
> used for dividing (as can be done with any fraction)
> but rather by taking finer measurements of units...
> like millimeters versus inches,
> and like microns versus millimeters.
> If that's what you mean, I can understand that.
> So how would you alter 22/7 into a more accurate Pi...
> give me an example like 22.13 / 7 or 22 / 7.11 ???

PI IS NOT A RATIONAL FRACTION!!!!

Pi has not been known as 22/7 for centuries!

<bleating snipped>

Don Judy

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> On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>

> > This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
> > or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
> > And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.

> > Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
> > far the decimal has been carried.
> >

> > 3.14
> > 3.1428
> > 3.1428571
> > 3.1428571428
>
> OK, fool, now go to a mathematics BOOK and look up the value of pi,
> and then apologize for your incompetence. Pi cannot be expressed exactly
> as a fraction, especially not as 22/7, which repeats after a few decimal
> places. Pi is also not the solution to any finite polynomial. It can be
> approximaed through cal...um, big, hard math.
>

> > Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
> > 3.1428571428 from.
>

> Who? The gnomes inside your head?
>

> > The shame about people who reply by posted word,
> > is that they throw into confusion all the readers
> >
>

> sieve

The decimal figure he's giving for pi is even wrong. It's 3.14159... if memory
serves, not 3.1428571.. which he probably got from 22/7 (as a result of
wrongly assuming that was the actual method to calculate pi) on the Windows
calculator which computes to 3.142857142857; whoopsy, he rounded the decimal
off wrong, this master of numbers and mathematics, not too mention the totally
incorrect way
he went about arriving at the wrong value. A basic error of telling magnitude.

Yours,
DJ <hsa...@epix.net>


Wayne Delia

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In <5dfkof$p...@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>, John Charnock <J.M.Ch...@dl.ac.uk> writes:

>The first few digits in the decimal expansion of pi are (from memory):-
>3.141592653589793238462643383279...

Sounds like somebody has entirely too much time on their hands. :-)

>pi is not only irrational (cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers)
>it is also transcendental (it cannot be expressed as the solution of a
>finite polynomial.

Perhaps you can help me remember what x is in the following formula:
It is known that pi is transcendental, as well as the base of the natural
logarithms (e). There's a number x, 100 < x < 200, where the square root
of x is irrational. (I seem to remember x = 163). Anyway, you've got two
transcendentals and one irrational, but the expression (e) to the power of
( (pi) times (square root of x) ) not only appears to be rational - it seems to be
an integer.

>There are formulae for calculating pi, generally in
>the form of infinite series which converge more or less rapidly.
>Is that clear? 22/7 is not exactly equal to pi.

The person to whom you're responding, Richard Schiller, is a noted net.loon
on the verge of a complete schizophrenic breakdown. He has predicted the
end of the world on March 22 or 23, caused by the impact of Hale-Bopp with
the earth. I'm sure your correct explanation went right over his head (assuming
he was paying any attention) and he will now issue a curse on your house, with
something to do with Nehemiah. It's really quite amusing.

Wayne Delia, red...@ibm.net
"I am evil Ho-mer! I am evil Ho-mer!" - Evil Homer Simpson,
dancing on the grave of Good Homer Simpson


Pharaoh Chromium 93

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John Cartmell

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In article <32FAF3...@wi.net>, Malachi-Eliyah
<URL:mailto:eli...@wi.net> wrote:

> Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
> far the decimal has been carried.
>
> 3.14

fair approximation
> 3.1428
wrong
> 3.1428571
stupidly wrong
> 3.1428571428
XXXXX
>

3.1415926535 etc
pi is *not* calculated from 22/7.
pi *cannot* be worked out from *any* fraction.

The statements by the previous writer are so far from reality that it
is not worth replying to - except that some poor misguided person
might believe him. Don't believe me - look in any mathematical text
book. You can derive pi - from a formula not a fraction but seeing
as I am paid to teach mathematics professionally I'll refrain from
commenting further - unless you are willing to pay the appropriate
fee. ;-)

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Malachi-Eliyah

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From a mass of email....
BTW...the topic is pyramid construction for these newsgroups

>I think this lies under the branch of integral calculus. Before
>integration, men would use smaller and smaller units to find a better
>measurement for an area or a measurement. For example, the area of a circle
>can be approximated by taking the area of smaller and smaller triangles
>inside the circle that fill up the circle. The larger number of small
>triangles used, the more accurate the approximation would be. Finally,
>after this exhaustion method, the area seemed to be equal to PI x r squared.
>Integration allows us to use an INFINITE number of subdivsions to find the
>exact value without having to use the exhaustion method of just using
>smaller and smaller subdivisions.
>I haven't really given you a specific solution for solving for PI, but I
>have explained the concept of integration. Formulas such as Area = Pi x r
>squared and Volume = 4/3 x PI x r cubed required integral calculus to
>discover. Although they were thought to be the right formulas before
>calculus just from the exhaustion method. I'll try to look into a more
>specific solution for PI. If you have any problems understanding this,
>write back. -- Timothy Schmits

>Archimedes, in 240 BC (over 2200 years ago) *proved* (mathematical idea)
>that pi is *smaller than* 22/7.

>Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria 150 AD used 377/120 (it's wrong,
>but far closer than 22/7

>The Chinese Tsu Ch'ung-chih 480 AD used 355/113 (it's wrong,
>but far closer than 22/7

3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
3.141592653589793238462643383279
Hey Charnock, the guy above has you beat by six digits.

KIND AND CONSIDERATE QUOTES.....
>WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM? 22/7 is an APPROXIMATION. Look it up
>APPROXIMATION.

>It is a LIE to say that pi "IS ALWAYS" 22/7.
>You (RICHARD) do NOT always tell the truth. (WE KNEW THAT, DID YOU?)
>And this LIE is also *irrelevent* to most of the groups you have posted to.
>Do you have ANY idea how STUPID your subject line is?

Why do people like you make an ass of yourself first
(see above paragraph) before you supply anything good like below.
(see further paragraph).

>pi IS the relationship between the circumference and the diameter of a
>circle, it is NOT a formula, it does NOT depend on a formula, and *any*
>formula for pi (so far) is wrong, but some are more wrong than others.

>Yours is ENTIRELY wrong, and everyone ELSE knows that.

You are the WRONG person to teach anyone, to hold any authoritative position,
school, politics, because you preseume EVERYBODY.
You are STILL an ass because MOST do NOT know that,
and it proves that you think most are NOBODYs because you only
recognize those who do know as being EVERYBODY. I am NOT the only one.

>It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool
>than to open it and remove all doubt.

ABSOLUTELY WRONG
My opening my mouth has just gotten all of you to supply
additional info that many of you make no effort to do
unless your ego is threatened as I did. I dont mind asking a stupid
question wjen it brings out good answers for all to see.
So you havent hit my pride like you thought.
Instead you have raised my happiness at what I am in personality.

John Charnock wrote:
> The fraction 22/7 is an approximation to pi

> The first few digits in the decimal expansion of pi are (from memory):-

> 3.141592653589793238462643383279... NOT 3.142857142857...


> pi is not only irrational (cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers)
> it is also transcendental (it cannot be expressed as the solution of a

> finite polynomial. There are formulae for calculating pi, generally in


> the form of infinite series which converge more or less rapidly.
> Is that clear? 22/7 is not exactly equal to pi.

>there are several different formulas by Vieta, Brouncker, Wallis,
>and Leinbniz. The formulas are derived from the fact that in radians the
>inverse tangent (tan^-1) of 1 equals pi/4

>Archinedies (287-212 BCE) approximation for pi was 3 1/7 > pi > 3 10/71.
>Some of the resoultions of tan^-1 (1) = pi/4 are are really hard to show.
>For example Vieta's formula involves square roots and Brouncker's involves
>an every expanding fraction.
>Wallis and Leinbniz however are easy to show:
>Wallis: pi/4 = 2/3 * 4/3 * 4/5 * 6/5 * 6/7 * 8/7 * ...
>Leibniz: pi/4 = 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + 1/13 - ....

>> According to my calulator pi ~= 3.141592654
>3.1416 is the correct one to this many signifigant figures.
>Please note that this makes all of the longer values of pi incorrect.
>pi ~= 3.141592654.
>Pi is accually calculated today through the resolution of tan^-1 (1) = pi/4.
>The accual formula is tan^-1 (x) = summation from n = 0 to n = infinity
>of [(-1)^n * (x)^(2n+1)]/(2n+1)
>For x = 1 you get Leibniz's exquation and the equation simplifies to
>summation from n = 0 to n = infinity of [(-1)^n]/(2n + 1)

>Even Archinedies knew over 2,000 years ago that pi *not* 22/7 nor was it
>223/71 but that it was *between* these two values.
>Please note that if the Egyptians had used measuring wheels of one cubit
>in diameter to lay out the base of the pyramid, pi would have been
>incorperated into the structure even if they had been totally ignorent of
>its value.

That was my original statement. But I had the figures to show that
a one cubit diameter rolled 7 times is 22 cubits; rolled 140 times
is the Great Pyramid base of 440 cubits. Because a cubit diameter is so small
it is more probable a cubit radius was used and rolled 70 times.
Especially because the star Sirius disappears for 70 days at that latitude only,
and came to be known as 70-day Anubis when it rose.
Thus this issue was not of Pi but of pyramids since only 5 of 80
have proportion ratios to Pi. Great Pyramid is 440 cubits squared
and 280 cubits high. Thus the 20x 22 and the 40x 7....factors 22 and 7.
No way can a person roll a wheel up...so how did the Pi get into
the pyramid if only the base length can be rolled. Nobody answered
because they were so busy preferring I look like a fool if they
bring up contraversy with 22/7. So your showing my ignorance to
a more accurate Pi also shows all you repliers to be equally ignorant
about both Egyptians and pyramids. THE PYRAMID? It is a general term.
The Pyramid ...are not all Pi. Therefore my knowledge of my topic...
math in pyramids (plural) is far greater than you people showing me
to Pi to make me a fool. You have only advanced my knowledge in
correcting how well I myself know Pi. You have corrected nothing
about the fact that I showed how the Egyptians DID use 22/7
when founding Giza in 2170 BC.

Now I have a question? Since the diagonal of a square is
the side times square root of 2. Does this then mean that
what ever mathematically happens to an angle of a triangle
will also happen to the side opposite of it. What I mean to say
is that the Great Pyramid has a side whose half is 220 cubits
from outside base to center so that the base diagonal to center is
220x square-root of 2. Now the base-upward slope is 51 degrees 52 minutes [?]
so that its complement (the peak-downward slope) is 38 degrees 8 minutes.
Since the diagonal increases by square-root 2,
then wouldnt the complement angle also increase by square-root 2.
Of which you could then take its complement and that would be the slope
of the corner diaginals which point NW and NE. I am looking for the
NW and NE altitude, and the celestial latitude of the pyramid diagonals
which point to the north eternal stars. Basically because some
pyramids have a 70 and 60 degree slope, too high for the Big Dipper.
And so I pondered the diagonals I wish to calculate.
************

Martin Fox

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>

A lot of blabber about pi that any mathematical professional, such as I
am, can tell is a lot of ignorant blabber.

Martin Fox

Paul Sherman

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If anyone cares, there is a really neat little book called
"A History of PI." It is a short history of Mathematics,
which takes as its basis the continual search for increasing
accuracy in PI. I forget the author's name now, but if
anyone is interested, email me.

BTW, I believe that they are over (2 or 5?) million decimal
places for pi. It is still irrational (and thus, emphatically
*NOT* 22/7).

Paul Sherman
pa...@ht.com

David J. Vorous

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>
> > Adam Felson says
> > 22/7 is only an approximation. PI can not be expressed via any
> > rational fraction; it is an irrational number.
>
> > 3.1415926536
>
> This doesnt look anywhere near 22/7 to me.
> So then you are saying that the only way to carry Pi out
> to further 1000s of decimal places
> is not merely by continuing the method
> used for dividing

I am no math expert, but PI is 3.14159... The elipse (the three dots)
means that the number goes on forever without repeating any number
sequence. If you want to get closer divide 355 by 113. That will get you
6 digits past the decimal point. 22/7 only gets you 2 places.
--
David Vorous
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R Mentock

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Wayne Delia wrote:

> Perhaps you can help me remember what x is in the following formula:
> It is known that pi is transcendental, as well as the base of the natural
> logarithms (e). There's a number x, 100 < x < 200, where the square root
> of x is irrational. (I seem to remember x = 163). Anyway, you've got two
> transcendentals and one irrational, but the expression (e) to the power of
> ( (pi) times (square root of x) ) not only appears to be rational - it seems to be
> an integer.

e^(pi * sqrt(163)) = 640320^3 + 744

--
D.

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Patrick C. Ryan

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<snip>

> >Pi is calculated by using the series:
> >
> >Pi = 4 * ( 1/1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 ... )
> >with the signs alternating and the denominators increasing by 2 for each
> term.
> >Carry it out for a few million iterations and you get:
> >
> >Pi = 3.1415927+ (to eight places -- pi has been calculated to several
> million
> >places)

Dear Steve:

I thought I was familiar with what PI is until I saw your formula.

Thank you. It is always pleasant to learn something new.

Pat
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In article 1B...@wi.net, Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> () writes:
<snip>

>Martin Fox has just replied with name calling,
>at least you followed up with a 10-decimal figure different than 22/7.
>But you have now produced a problem of how I or others could
>calculate Pi by ourselves...with our own calculators.
>To me the biggest brains know nothing if they cant teach,
>because then.....who can ever teach them !
>The higher you go by yourself...
>the more certainty you'll die when you finally fall...
>and we ALL fall.
>Perfection is not the state of impossibility to fall,
>it is the state of impossibility to HEAL from the fall.
>Common knowledge...big falls heal slow...or not at all...
>or even kill you. So it is with today's TOP educators.
>I say this stuff to better you and to better me.
>And so goes unresolved the Pi issue of determining Pi.
>It is also a sidetrack from the issue that 80 pyramids
>do not measure Pi as five are claimed to.


*Please* the value of Pi and pyramid construction have nothing
nothing to do with alt.mythology. Please remove alt.mythology from
this and other Pi and pyramid threads. My apologies to the groups to
which I don't think this should be cross-posted to either. I don't know
where all the folks following up on these threads are posting from
and so I had to leave the newsgroup list as is. Follow-ups are set
accordingly.


Elijah- Do us all a *BIG* favor and read some FAQ's on Usenet
posting guidelines and etiquette. They are available from a number
of sites. One such site is:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/FAQ-List.html

Look under the category "Usenet". The FAQ's there will give you lots
of useful information about posting to the Usenet.


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erikc

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On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:20:55 +0000
Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net>
as message <32FAF3...@wi.net>
-- posted from: alt.atheism:

>|> R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
>|> > That sounds approximately right. However, it is only an approximation, since pi
>|> > is not a rational number (meaning: it can not be obtained by multiplying,
>|> > adding, subtracting, dividing, or squaring any full numbers). Therefore
>|> > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
>|> > Ralf
>|
>|This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
>|or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
>|And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>|Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>|far the decimal has been carried.
>|
>|3.14
>|3.1428
>|3.1428571
>|3.1428571428

>|
>|Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
>|3.1428571428 from.
>|Pi was discovered by wraping a cord around a column or tree until
>|the cord was the same equal units as the diameter. It proved to be that
>|7 times around was 22 times the diameter. You cant change that, nor could
>|you ever show me how pi is calculated if not by dividing 22 by 7.

Once again, Richard Schiller demonstrates that he still lives in the stone age.

FYI:

Pi is calculated by using the series:

Pi = 4 * ( 1/1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 ... )
with the signs alternating and the denominators increasing by 2 for each term.
Carry it out for a few million iterations and you get:

Pi = 3.1415927+ (to eight places -- pi has been calculated to several million
places)

A better approximation to Pi is: 355 / 113 = 3.1415929
Pi = 3.1415927
--------------
0.0000002 = pretty close.

This approximation is used in a lot of embedded computer applications where
floating point arithmetic is unavailable and calculations are done using scaled
fixed point arithmetic. It's also handy to remember if your calculator doesn't
have a key for Pi (most scientific calculators do).

Erikc.


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exercises consist of demonstrating that he can walk without
scraping his knuckles on the floor.

/* Here's an example of how whacked out they are */

Steve Whittet

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In article <32fbcdca...@news.insync.net>, firew...@insync.netm
says...

>
>On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:20:55 +0000
>Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net>
>as message <32FAF3...@wi.net>
>-- posted from: alt.atheism:
>>|> R. Gaenssmantel wrote:
>>|> >...it is only an approximation, ...pi is not a rational number ...

>>|> > 22/7 ~ pi, but not exactly pi.
>>|> > Ralf
>>|
>>|...you must have a formula to calculate.

>>|And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>>|Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>>|far the decimal has been carried.
>>|
>>|3.14
>>|3.1428
>>|3.1428571
>>|3.1428571428
>>|
>>|Otherwise you tell me what formula or math do they get their
>>|3.1428571428 from.


The Egyptians used unit fractions
3 + 1/8 + 1/64 + ...
more exactly
3 + 1/8 + 1/61 + 1/5020 + 1/128205129 ...


>>|Pi was discovered by wraping a cord around a column or tree until
>>|the cord was the same equal units as the diameter. It proved to be that
>>|7 times around was 22 times the diameter. You cant change that, nor could
>>|you ever show me how pi is calculated if not by dividing 22 by 7.

The Egyptians calculated Pi by counting the number of squares it
took to fill a circle. This is at least one method which has been
preserved on the Egyptians mathematical papyri.

>
>Once again, Richard Schiller demonstrates that he still lives in the stone
age.
>
>FYI:
>
>Pi is calculated by using the series:
>
>Pi = 4 * ( 1/1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 ... )
>with the signs alternating and the denominators increasing by 2 for each
term.
>Carry it out for a few million iterations and you get:
>
>Pi = 3.1415927+ (to eight places -- pi has been calculated to several
million
>places)

Try calculating it by the Egyptian method which is really pretty easy.

>
>A better approximation to Pi is: 355 / 113 = 3.1415929
> Pi = 3.1415927
> --------------
> 0.0000002 = pretty close.

more exactly

3 + 1/8 + 1/61 + 1/5020 + 1/128205129 ...

355/113 is handy to arrive at PI, but consider the calculation
the builders of the pyramids needed to use to cut their stones to
size in the quarry. I think it is likely they measured in Horus eye
fractions using 1/8ths and 1/64ths.


>
>This approximation is used in a lot of embedded computer applications where
>floating point arithmetic is unavailable and calculations are done using
scaled
>fixed point arithmetic. It's also handy to remember if your calculator
doesn't
>have a key for Pi (most scientific calculators do).

The rough value, 3 + 1/8 + 1/64 + =3.140625;
is better than 22/7 and easier to use in practical measurements

(pi - 3.140625 = .000967654
22/7 = 3.142857143;
3.142857143 - pi = .001264489)

>


>
>
>
>
>Erikc.
>
>

steve


Malachi-Eliyah

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John P. Boatwright wrote:
> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

I like your post title but here are two previous Pi I was sent
and somebody is wrong.

3.141592653589793238462643383279...
3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

So which is it 1971 or 2884 ?
Hey, just saw your 2884 precedes 1971 and
people dont think I'm observant !
I take it he skipped the 2884.

Malachi-Eliyah

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Sieve wrote:
> OK, fool, now go to a mathematics BOOK and look up the value of pi,
> and then apologize for your incompetence. Pi cannot be expressed exactly
> as a fraction, especially not as 22/7, which repeats after a few decimal
> places. Pi is also not the solution to any finite polynomial. It can be
> approximaed through cal...um, big, hard math.

I should not have to apologize for ignorance.
Pi is not all that easy to find nor get out of a world which claims
it is so great in number of great intellectual brains to hand out
Nobel prizes like a Oscar or Grammy contest of recognitions.

No apology...I am just merely corrected, and as ALWAYS,
I remember the new correct knowledge I now have.

3.141592653589793238462643383279...
3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

These three figures from considerate users reveal that others
also flaw...the second person skipped over 2884
of course I am too stupid to notice that, RIGHT !

I give no apology because what I stated is a fact, the Egyptians
used 22/7, or more accurately they rolled a cubit radius stone
70 times to obtain 440 royal cubits because they knew every 7 times
produced 44 cubits. This is because a cubit diameter
rolled 7 times is 22 cubits.....so merely because my knowledge was
no more accurate than the Egyptians...it is your American junior high
teachers who were told by you educators to tell me that, as if a
12-14 year old couldnt comprehend the truth, and I am still
stating a fact about the Egyptians

Basically you people listen to a person looking for the first
mispronounced word so that you can create a tangent of how
the word should be pronounced rather than permit the person
speaking any consideration of continuing.
I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same
balance with a jury who does the same to you.

Malachi-Eliyah

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3.141592653589793238462643383279...
3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

************

Malachi-Eliyah

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Now I have a question? Since the diagonal of a square is
the side times square root of 2. Does this then mean that
what ever mathematically happens to an angle of a triangle
will also happen to the side opposite of it. What I mean to say
is that the Great Pyramid has a side whose half is 220 cubits
from outside base to center so that the base diagonal to center is
220x square-root of 2. Now the base-upward slope is 51 degrees 52 minutes [?]
so that its complement (the peak-downward slope) is 38 degrees 8 minutes.
Since the diagonal increases by square-root 2,
then wouldnt the complement angle also increase by square-root 2.
Of which you could then take its complement and that would be the slope
of the corner diaginals which point NW and NE. I am looking for the
NW and NE altitude, and the celestial latitude of the pyramid diagonals
which point to the north eternal stars. Basically because some
pyramids have a 70 and 60 degree slope, too high for the Big Dipper.
And so I pondered the diagonals I wish to calculate.

***********

Don Judy

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On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:44:01 +0000, a certain elija/johnthebaptist-possessed
Wisconsinian formerly from Tennesseen blabbered falsely about Martin Fox's
accurate description of his (prophetboy's) loud-mouthed, self-ordained, self
righteous and self involved posting and will undoubtedly make excuses about
other postings or general tenor of replies to his rude, invasive, defensive,
inexcusable blather.

DJ


Dave Seaman

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In article <32FBCB...@mindspring.co>,

R Mentock <Men...@mindspring.co> wrote:
>e^(pi * sqrt(163)) = 640320^3 + 744

Correction. That should be

e^(pi * sqrt(163)) = 640320^3 + 744 - alpha

where alpha is approximately 7.4992740280181431112 * 10^(-13).

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Sieve

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On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

No, but it certainly casts a certain pallor and suspicion on every single
point you ever raise. If you have no knowledge of even the most
rudimentary facets of your assertions, then the assertions themselves can
easily be called into question, don't you think?

> Pi is not all that easy to find nor get out of a world which claims
> it is so great in number of great intellectual brains to hand out
> Nobel prizes like a Oscar or Grammy contest of recognitions.

That's funny...Pi is in fact quite easy to find. Its value is stated to
at least 7 places in five out of five general/ elementary math books in
whiched I looked.

> No apology...I am just merely corrected, and as ALWAYS,
> I remember the new correct knowledge I now have.
> 3.141592653589793238462643383279...
> 3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....
>
> These three figures from considerate users reveal that others
> also flaw...the second person skipped over 2884
> of course I am too stupid to notice that, RIGHT !

Sigh. Congratulations, you win the "Oscar or Grammy contest of
recognitions" [sic] for today. For someone who derides the capacity of
science and scientific thinkers, you certainly revel in your small
epistemological victories, dontcha?



> I give no apology because what I stated is a fact, the Egyptians
> used 22/7, or more accurately they rolled a cubit radius stone
> 70 times to obtain 440 royal cubits because they knew every 7 times
> produced 44 cubits. This is because a cubit diameter
> rolled 7 times is 22 cubits...

Fine, whatever, I don't know or care about Egyptian measuring techniques.

> ...so merely because my knowledge was
> no more accurate than the Egyptians...

I hope somebody else got a kick out of this.

> it is your American junior high
> teachers who were told by you educators to tell me that, as if a
> 12-14 year old couldnt comprehend the truth, and I am still
> stating a fact about the Egyptians

Slow down, man, think before you type. It's not a race to the spacebar.


> Basically you people listen to a person looking for the first
> mispronounced word so that you can create a tangent of how
> the word should be pronounced rather than permit the person
> speaking any consideration of continuing.

I've "listened" to you for quite some time. But when it arises that you
are basing a supposition on spurious premises, or that you sling ill-
concveived factoids about science like you sling your religious rhetoric
(see below), I find it irresistable not to step in and inform you of your
misdeed. After all, just a few sentences ago, you welcomed that
knowledge. Now you're denouncing it? I'm starting to believe my
colleagues' claims of schizophrenia.

> I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same
> balance with a jury who does the same to you.

A jury like your god and your christ-child, right, you twisted fascist
fucknut? Intimated death threats do not become men of knowledge;
instead, they point to a far lower, more clouded, more paranoid
intellect. Surely you can respond to me without wishing peril upon my
life...but perhaps I am speaking too soon.

> ************


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> God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
> The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.
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> http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/me.gif
>
> Discover the world's true chronology thru the Bible at
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What is all this nonsense? Go out and enjoy the singularity of your
existence or something. Get some fresh air.

sieve

R. Gaenssmantel

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Malachi-Eliyah (eli...@wi.net) wrote:
[...]
: I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

Possibly not, but if ignorance is is voiced in a polite manner you won't get
such rough treatment.

: Pi is not all that easy to find nor get out of a world which claims


: it is so great in number of great intellectual brains to hand out
: Nobel prizes like a Oscar or Grammy contest of recognitions.

It's just a question of knowing where to find what you don't know. Any further
maths book should be able to provide you with sufficient information on the
nature of pi (and other irrational numbers).
My personal recommendation would be Bronshtein's 'Handbook of Mathematics' -
there virtually no mathematical question which is not answered in there.

[three values for pi differeing in the umpteen decimal]

: These three figures from considerate users reveal that others


: also flaw...the second person skipped over 2884
: of course I am too stupid to notice that, RIGHT !

Well, this prooves for you, that there is no easy way to calculate that number,
but only a host of different algorithms for approximation.

: I give no apology because what I stated is a fact, the Egyptians


: used 22/7, or more accurately they rolled a cubit radius stone
: 70 times to obtain 440 royal cubits because they knew every 7 times
: produced 44 cubits. This is because a cubit diameter

: rolled 7 times is 22 cubits.....so merely because my knowledge was
: no more accurate than the Egyptians...it is your American junior high


: teachers who were told by you educators to tell me that, as if a
: 12-14 year old couldnt comprehend the truth, and I am still
: stating a fact about the Egyptians

This part of the argument I referre to Steve Whittet who seems to be of a
different oppinion as far as the Egyptian knowledge of pi is concerned.

: Basically you people listen to a person looking for the first


: mispronounced word so that you can create a tangent of how
: the word should be pronounced rather than permit the person
: speaking any consideration of continuing.

: I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same


: balance with a jury who does the same to you.

I think these rantings are slightly off topic. I would hope in future any
discussion can be kept in a slightly more polite tone of voice right from the
beginning.

Ralf

Bruce L Grubb

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In article <32FB4E...@wi.net>, Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

[much comments on the value of pi snipped]

> >Even Archinedies knew over 2,000 years ago that pi *not* 22/7 nor was it
> >223/71 but that it was *between* these two values.
> >Please note that if the Egyptians had used measuring wheels of one cubit
> >in diameter to lay out the base of the pyramid, pi would have been
> >incorperated into the structure even if they had been totally ignorent of
> >its value.
>
> That was my original statement. But I had the figures to show that
> a one cubit diameter rolled 7 times is 22 cubits; rolled 140 times
> is the Great Pyramid base of 440 cubits.

> Because a cubit diameter is so small it is more probable a cubit radius
> was used and rolled 70 times.
> Especially because the star Sirius disappears for 70 days at that
> latitude only, and came to be known as 70-day Anubis when it rose.

Accually it would be one cubit diameter wheel rolled from where the top of
the pyramid is planned to be (see below for an explination).


> Thus this issue was not of Pi but of pyramids since only 5 of 80
> have proportion ratios to Pi. Great Pyramid is 440 cubits squared
> and 280 cubits high. Thus the 20x 22 and the 40x 7....factors 22 and 7.
> No way can a person roll a wheel up...so how did the Pi get into
> the pyramid if only the base length can be rolled.

This is simple.

You figure out where the top of your pyramid is to be and how high it is.

From this point you roll your one cubit diameter wheel 70 times in each
of the four directions. This 'sets' the sides of your pyramid.

Since each of the wheel rollings produces a right trigle with base 220
cubits and height 280 cubits all the builders have to do is make sure that
the angle (tan^-1 (280/220) = 51.84 degrees) is maintained and the height
will take care of itself by the tangent gemetric theorems.

Dionysius

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>Sieve <sd...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:


>On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>

>> I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

>No, but it certainly casts a certain pallor and suspicion on every single

>point you ever raise. If you have no knowledge of even the most
>rudimentary facets of your assertions, then the assertions themselves can
>easily be called into question, don't you think?

>I've "listened" to you for quite some time. But when it arises that you

>are basing a supposition on spurious premises, or that you sling ill-
>concveived factoids about science like you sling your religious rhetoric
>(see below), I find it irresistable not to step in and inform you of your
>misdeed. After all, just a few sentences ago, you welcomed that
>knowledge. Now you're denouncing it? I'm starting to believe my
>colleagues' claims of schizophrenia.

It's a fairly easy assumption to make!

>> I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same
>> balance with a jury who does the same to you.

>A jury like your god and your christ-child, right, you twisted fascist


>fucknut? Intimated death threats do not become men of knowledge;
>instead, they point to a far lower, more clouded, more paranoid
>intellect.

Hey, another satified customer figures out Schiller's "shtick" in a
matter of minutes!! You're not fooling ANY of us you feeble
Foreskin!!! So go away and leave us alone.

>> ************
>> A whimpy lamb bleating out and getting his balls sheared off!,
>> (40 years of philosophical flatulence)
>> 1000 years christian comedy has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>> 144,000 will laugh him off the net before this year ENDS.
>> Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday
>>A schmuck who "preaches" history, but doesn't learn from it!

>> Discover a world of psychotic lies and dellusion at:
>> http://www.Prozac.com

Dionysius

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>Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

>. I dont mind asking a stupid
>question wjen it brings out good answers for all to see.
>So you havent hit my pride like you thought.
>Instead you have raised my happiness at what I am in personality.

What you are, in personality, is an obnoxious fool!


>That was my original statement. But I had the figures to show that
>a one cubit diameter rolled 7 times is 22 cubits; rolled 140 times
>is the Great Pyramid base of 440 cubits.

Yes but: one bagel, rolled 6 times, is equal in length to the phallus
of an Arabian horse. These animals mated upon the very sands where the
Great Pyramid was built and shit upon its base!!

> Because a cubit diameter is so small
>it is more probable a cubit radius was used and rolled 70 times.

Because your brain is so small, it will probably roll 71 times (from
side to side) as it traverses your empty cranial cavity!

> Nobody answered
>because they were so busy preferring I look like a fool if they
>bring up contraversy with 22/7.

We didn't "prefer" that you look like a fool, you did it all on your
own. We just laughed at the spectacle!

> So your showing my ignorance to
>a more accurate Pi also shows all you repliers to be equally ignorant
>about both Egyptians and pyramids.

How do you figure that numb nuts?

> THE PYRAMID? It is a general term.
>The Pyramid ...are not all Pi. Therefore my knowledge of my topic...
>math in pyramids (plural) is far greater than you people showing me
>to Pi to make me a fool.

You have knowledge of NOTHING!!! You only THINK you do!

> You have only advanced my knowledge in
>correcting how well I myself know Pi.

The only thing we've helped advance is your paranoid dellusional
fantasies. You're so full of yourself, it's comical!! You *really*
think you got it ALL figured out, don't you?

>Since the diagonal increases by square-root 2,
>then wouldnt the complement angle also increase by square-root 2.

NO! It means that your I.Q. will forever decrease by the square root
of your shoe size, every 5 minutes!!!!

>************
>A scrotum sceaming out and being castrated,
>(40 years catatonic stupor)
>1000 years of hallucinations has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>144,000 different medications will be tried before this year ENDS.
>Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday
>(Apply Preparation H, and he will shrink up and fall off!)

>Discover the maggot infested world of Malachi at:
> http://www.dick-head.com

Hey Pecker head, why don't you change this pathetic signature, I'm
getting bored with satirizing it! Give me some new hallucinations to
poke fun at!


Dionysius

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>Mariachi/He-lies-to-yah <fore...@wimp.net> wrote:

>I give no apology because what I stated is a fact, the Egyptians
>used 22/7, or more accurately they rolled a cubit radius stone
>70 times to obtain 440 royal cubits because they knew every 7 times
>produced 44 cubits.

How do you know this for certain? Were you there, when these Egyptian
mathematicians "rolled " out there measurements? I THINK NOT!!

> I am still stating a fact about the Egyptians

O.K, What's your source for such a "fact"?
Let's have documentation, NOT hallucination!

>I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same
>balance with a jury who does the same to you.

Shut your Pi-hole you digital dimwit!!!
Stay on the christian newsgroups where you belong.
Continue cross-posting here and I continue my effortless shredding
of your anemic thoughts!
The choice is yours.
>************
>An empty skull, echoing with christian cobwebs!
>(40 years old and still wearing diapers!)
>1000 years of bedwetting has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>144,000 will castrate him before this year ENDS.


>Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

>Dickhead Schiller relocates to the land of Sodomy and Gemorah!
>He begins an in depth study into the sexual uses of small rodents!

>Discover the fermented world of Richard's religious excrement at:
> http://www.psycho/non-prophet.org


Dionysius

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>Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

>God, that is bad. You've now made me paranoid about using 22/7.
>My dad says he lost a job in his teens because he didnt know Pi,
>which I presume he meant x22 / 7 . ( I impressed him !
>First listening ear I ever got. )

And probably the last!!!

***************************
Dionysius


Jiri Mruzek

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David J. Vorous wrote:

> I am no math expert, but PI is 3.14159... The elipse (the three dots)
> means that the number goes on forever without repeating any number
> sequence. If you want to get closer divide 355 by 113. That will get you
> 6 digits past the decimal point. 22/7 only gets you 2 places.

By the way, the 355/113 approximation of PI has been known
to a select group since the Stone-Age. Incredulous? Study
the best proof of the fact there ever was - the undebunkable
Atlantean Math: http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jirimruzek/atma.htm
Regards,
Jiri Mruzek


Dionysius

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>Sieve <sd...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:


>On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>
>> I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

>No, but it certainly casts a certain pallor and suspicion on every single
>point you ever raise. If you have no knowledge of even the most
>rudimentary facets of your assertions, then the assertions themselves can
>easily be called into question, don't you think?

>I've "listened" to you for quite some time. But when it arises that you
>are basing a supposition on spurious premises, or that you sling ill-
>concveived factoids about science like you sling your religious rhetoric
>(see below), I find it irresistable not to step in and inform you of your
>misdeed. After all, just a few sentences ago, you welcomed that
>knowledge. Now you're denouncing it? I'm starting to believe my
>colleagues' claims of schizophrenia.

It's a fairly easy assumption to make!

>> I would not grieve if your life and death was placed on the same


>> balance with a jury who does the same to you.

>A jury like your god and your christ-child, right, you twisted fascist


>fucknut? Intimated death threats do not become men of knowledge;
>instead, they point to a far lower, more clouded, more paranoid
>intellect.

Hey, another satisfied customer figures out Schiller's "shtick" in a


matter of minutes!! You're not fooling ANY of us you feeble
Foreskin!!! So go away and leave us alone.

>> ************
>> A whimpy lamb bleating out and getting his balls sheared off!,
>> (40 years of philosophical flatulence)

>> 1000 years of christian comedy has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>> 144,000 will laugh him off the net before this year ENDS.


>> Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

John P. Boatwright

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
>
> Now I have a question? Since the diagonal of a square is
> the side times square root of 2. Does this then mean that
> what ever mathematically happens to an angle of a triangle
> will also happen to the side opposite of it.

You might pick up a used high school "Trigonometry" textbook
(or visit the library). Only about 8 hours of study and
you'll have all the answers you seem to be looking for.
The stuff is fairly easy once you get going.

John P. Boatwright

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Malachi-Eliyah wrote:

> John P. Boatwright wrote:
> > 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

> I like your post title but here are two previous Pi I was sent
> and somebody is wrong.

> 3.141592653589793238462643383279...
> 3.141592653589793238462643383279501971
> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

> So which is it 1971 or 2884 ?
> Hey, just saw your 2884 precedes 1971 and
> people dont think I'm observant !
> I take it he skipped the 2884.

Ya, the value I used (longest one) was right out of the CRC Math
Tables handbook. They appreciate a good pi.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Feb 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/9/97
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stufnten wrote:
> Confusion over halfwits like yourself posting inaccurate accounts of pi?

Your internet BBS services must get very late news because
within the first 12 hours 3 replies were recieved which showed me
Pi was not 22/7.
But you all have emotional menatl problems if the 22/7 Pi of the
Egyptians cannot be discussed without your egoes feeling
some stupid moron is trying to educate mathematics to you.

3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

Malachi's Eliyah

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stufnten wrote:
> Confusion over halfwits like yourself posting inaccurate accounts of pi?

Your internet BBS services must get very late news because
within the first 12 hours 3 replies were recieved which showed me
Pi was not 22/7.
But you all have emotional menatl problems if the 22/7 Pi of the
Egyptians cannot be discussed without your egoes feeling
some stupid moron is trying to educate mathematics to you.

3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....

I can also see that you only read the header, as
Re: (pyramid) Pi is always 22/7 and always has been always will be...
and not the content of the post.

John D. Goulden

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> But the Bible says that pi is 3. Read it in the description of one of
> the vessels in Solomon's temple.

Oh, PLEASE. The passage to which the previous poster alludes is "Now he
made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form,
and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference" -- 1
Kings 7:23, NASV. The only possible argument for pi = exactly three based
on this passage is to make the claim that the author of 1 Kings is
providing EXACT measurements and not a general description. "Ten" and
"five" and "thirty" sound pretty general to me. Thank goodness the author
of 1 Kings didn't write "Ten-point-zero" and "thirty-one point four" cubits
in that description or Mr. Fox would insist that pi is exactly 3.14 instead
of the non-repeating irrational number that we accept today. By the way,
most cultures of that era (including the Egyptions) used sophisticated
geometrical constructions to produce an accurate value for pi when they
needed it for some practical purpose (like building something); the very
notion of 22/7 didn't even exist in their mathematics.

--
John D. Goulden
jgou...@snu.edu
jgou...@flash.net

stufnten

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On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Malachi's Eliyah wrote:

> stufnten wrote:
> > Confusion over halfwits like yourself posting inaccurate accounts of pi?
>
> Your internet BBS services must get very late news because
> within the first 12 hours 3 replies were recieved which showed me
> Pi was not 22/7.

I'm pretty sure I got in the first 12 hours....

Whatever. Because of the volume of posts on alt.atheism, I don't have time
to check all the way through before writing responses.

> But you all have emotional menatl problems if the 22/7 Pi of the
> Egyptians cannot be discussed without your egoes feeling
> some stupid moron is trying to educate mathematics to you.

The stupid moron being you, right?

Well, yes, I did feel that you, a stupid moron, was trying (key-word) to
educate me.

And, considering the contents of the preceding posts, I find it hard to
believe you had the Egyptians' pov in mind when you went on that 22/7
spiel....

stufnten[tm], Toby
***
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http://members.tripod.com/~Tesseract


stufnten

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On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Malachi's Eliyah wrote:

> But you all have emotional menatl problems if the 22/7 Pi of the
> Egyptians cannot be discussed without your egoes feeling
> some stupid moron is trying to educate mathematics to you.

And here is another post identical to the previous one. The difference is,
you've quite blatantly turned this thread into a self-righteous exposition
(see subject header).

Good for you, Dick.

Stan Collins

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If you manipulate the most famous equation concerning pi, you get this

log (-1)
Pi=----------- not that that expression makes any sense, but it's
sqr rt (-1) still neat.

Stan Collins

Warwick Pulley

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Feb 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/9/97
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In article <5di5dl$9...@seaman.cc.purdue.edu>, a...@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman) writes:
> In article <32FBCB...@mindspring.co>,
> R Mentock <Men...@mindspring.co> wrote:
> >e^(pi * sqrt(163)) = 640320^3 + 744
>
> Correction. That should be
>
> e^(pi * sqrt(163)) = 640320^3 + 744 - alpha
>
> where alpha is approximately 7.4992740280181431112 * 10^(-13).

We also have for p = 43 and 67:
e^(pi * sqrt(43)) = 884736743.9997...
e^(pi * sqrt(67)) = 147197952743.999998...

I am told that there is a connection between this and the fact that the class
number is 1 for the discriminants -43, -67 and -163. Does anyone have a
reference for this result?

Regards,

Warwick.

Patrick C. Ryan

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Dear Jiri:

I am very impressed by the work you have done but could you help a
non-mathematician to understand --- in simple terms --- 1) what all this
means; and 2) how did you arrive at it?

I have no idea what you are trying to prove (or have proven), and I
would like to - at least - get the gist of it.

Pat
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9115 W. 34th St. * Little Rock, AR 72204-4441 * USA
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geiri undadhr... a theim meidhi er mangi veit
hvers hann af rotum renn.' * (Havamal 138)
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Marc PERNET

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In Paris (Palais de la Découverte) you can see this value for Pi :
3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196...
About 3500 other figures are following, but there are of course
many others (an infinity in fact). Pi IS NOT a rational. Those who have
doubts should ask a mathematic teacher to demonstrate it, I forgot how to
to it...
Marc

cz...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Malachi-Eliyah (eli...@wi.net) wrote:

: I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

I guess that means we shan't be seeing you apologize ever, on anything.

--
******************************
Me fail English?
That's unpossible!
- Ralph Wiggum
******************************

Dionysius

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>Maraichi/Dickwad/ Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

>But you all have emotional menatl problems

I think, quite obviously, that you're the one with all the mental
problems since you can't seem to even spell it correctly!!!!

> if the 22/7 Pi of the Egyptians cannot be discussed without your egoes feeling
>some stupid moron is trying to educate mathematics to you.

You don't "educate" mathematics to someone, you TEACH it to them,
asshole! You can't even spell OR find the propers words for what you
attempt to convey. And we're supposed to trust you to use higher math
sanely? You defeat your own credibility with the greatest of ease,
revealing the very moron that protesteth so!

>************
>A chump who mispells his own name,
>(40 years of dislexia and incontinence)
>1000 years of pathetic newsposts have begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>144,000 errors will be discovered before this year ENDS.
>Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday
>It's tough to type with your head up your ass!!

>Discover the world's biggest Biblical Bozo at:
> http://www.comedy.com


Paul J. Gans

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Feb 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/10/97
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Marc PERNET (mpe...@club-internet.fr) wrote:

[deletions]

: In Paris (Palais de la Découverte) you can see this value for Pi :
: 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307
: 81640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058
: 223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196...
: About 3500 other figures are following, but there are of course

: many others (an infinity in fact). Pi IS NOT a rational.

Nor are many folks posting in this thread.


: Those who have

: doubts should ask a mathematic teacher to demonstrate it, I forgot how to
: to it...
: Marc

Some should check with their local mental health specialist, or,
in one case, with God.

Thanks to Marc PERNET for seeing the truth.

------ Paul J. Gans [ga...@scholar.chem.nyu.edu]


Malachi's Eliyah

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Feb 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/10/97
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> > Timothy Schmits wrote:
> > > 22/7 becomes inaccurate at the third decimal point.

> Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
> > God, that is bad. You've now made me paranoid about using 22/7.
> > My dad says he lost a job in his teens because he didnt know Pi,

> > which I presume he meant x22 / 7 . ( Gee, I impressed him !


> > First listening ear I ever got. )

John P. Boatwright wrote:
> Well, 22/7 is reasonably accurate for those back 2-4000 years ago.
> It's 0.04% high from the true value and the error is more than lost
> in the measurements (1 part in 2484) for small projects.

Well, all the posters who replied could care less how Pi
was developed...they are just out to find another flaw
or allegation against me, and then think I'm going to
apologise as if my 22/7 is an intrusion upon their elevated brains.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Martin Fox wrote:
> Malachi-Eliyah wrote a lot of blabber about pi that any mathematical professional, such as I
> am, can tell is a lot of ignorant blabber.

And Martin Fox doesnt quote anybody because his mere opinion is accepted by
5 billion Net users waiting for his knowledge to blather forth from
his spewing mouth. Martin may know what Pi is, but his refuting the
Egyptian use of it as 22 / 7 is ignorance at its max. (namely, deliberate)

The Egytians rolled a cubit radius stone 70 times for KuFu's Pyramid.
And whether their results obtained their intended 440 cubits, or whether it
was less because Pi is less than 22/7...their intent was still to
recognize 7 rolls as 44 cubits and 70 rolls as 440 cubits.
So your brainy mathematicians who can calculate what they SEE,
cannot calculate what they CANT see. As I have said before, they
calculate odds and probabilities based on 65 million BC extinctions
and 20,000-10,000 BC ice ages so that their math represents an
accurate mathematics to a false history.

Best example of accurate math misapplied is
1461 Egypt.cal.yrs x 365 days = 1460 Julian (sirius) yrs x 365.25
But despite this math as precise and indisputable.....it did not and
still does not prove that Sirius rose twice 1460 yrs apart on July 20
of 2782 BC and 1322 BC as it did in 139 AD.
To the contrary...the star's position for 1322 BC was July 18 not July 20
so that its rise on the Thoth 1 new year was 1314 BC not 1322 BC, and
the rise for 2782 BC would have been July 17 not July 20 so that its rise
on the Thoth 1 new year would be 2770 BC not 2782 BC. This is the major
quibbling these scholars do, and thus die from the apporaching major
catastrophe despite their math being so much greater (like Jannes)
instead of their hearts in truth (as Moses). So if they still cant get it
straight that Hammurabi is 1792 BC not 2067 BC, and they are still
printing July 20 of 2782 BC...is there really any question as to who really
is the negligent, me or most scholars.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Wayne Delia wrote:
> The person to whom you're responding, Richard Schiller, is a noted net.loon
> on the verge of a complete schizophrenic breakdown. He has predicted the
> end of the world on March 22 or 23, caused by the impact of Hale-Bopp with
> the earth. I'm sure your correct explanation went right over his head (assuming
> he was paying any attention) and he will now issue a curse on your house, with
> something to do with Nehemiah. It's really quite amusing.

Did you catch the Discovery Channel's asteroid documentary last night?
It contained the same scenes and content as Dateline did...except it
was detailed (2 hours). It was very faulty like the Catholic Church
threatening Hell, or Pentecostals threatening a total burn up of Earth
with no hope. It would not give you a scenerio of a half-mile asteroid
hitting the ocean. It stuck to 2-4 mile asteroids impacting on land so
that rock came falling down around Earth as fireballs. I assure you that the
75% ocean surface almost guarantees greater odds of ocean impact
so that we may survive. Further, the fire of volcanoes would have to rise
above the atmosphere to create the 1000-year total darkness they scare you
with. If the carbon does not rise above the clouds, the rain will bring it down
and you will enjoy longer life from the radiation of C-14 (inside us now)
being diluted back to Noah's preFlood levels. Let us not forget that the
pagan king Gilgamesh went to Noah to ask how it was he could live to 940
when all others were dying at 240. Our answer is granted to us by this
fire predicted 4400 years ago by Noah. Do not listen to these men
who assure you the first global impact will be one of extinction unless
they boast they can divert asteroids with your tax dollars. You can survive
without sending your money to astronomers. This scholastic ploy
shaking hands with Hollywood is like a church scare-tactic painting a
scenerio of hell so you will fund their programs. (Just like churches.)

Wayne Delia is far from any source of accurate information.
First you will see that the man lies claiming that he can form
any false allegations to persuade you the public into being as stupid
as he is, practicing stopped up hearing, nose in the air, and arogance
based on strictly self-fabricated bias and prejudice. March 22 has no
significance. It is sunset March 23/24 which is the Nisan 14 Passover full moon
regarded as a day of salvation placing those gathered for God's truth
in safety while the rest die from mere deliberate ignorance of choosing
not to listen. Further, he claims that Hale-Bopp will strike. Look at
this chart of Hale-Bopp and you tell me whether Hale-Bopp is anywhere
near the Earth to strike. I have never listed Hale-Bopp as the cause of impact,
but as the sign of the day impact WILL occur.

http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/asteroid/Mar23HaleBop.gif

Now let the public be aware...Delia will not look at the GIF nor
even note it was mentioned or how it was referred to. It is his goal
to claim I say things which I havent, with his intent to get you
to avoid my message. You are my witnesses and God's also that
his reply post will be one totally irrelevent to the facts I bring out
to you that nothing was said about March 22 nor impact by Hale-Bopp.
But it is I who provide you the chart...not he, to show Hale-Bopp is
not near the earth, and is not the cause, or else the earth would be
totally destroyed, of which it will not be.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Wayne Delia wrote:
> The person to whom you're responding, Richard Schiller, is a noted net.loon
> on the verge of a complete schizophrenic breakdown. He has predicted the
> end of the world on March 22 or 23, caused by the impact of Hale-Bopp with
> the earth. I'm sure your correct explanation went right over his head (assuming
> he was paying any attention) and he will now issue a curse on your house, with
> something to do with Nehemiah. It's really quite amusing.

Wayne Delia is far from any source of accurate information.

Quentin Langley

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Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:


>This is false because to carry out pi to 5 decimals or 100 decimals
>or a million decimals you must have a formula to calculate.
>And that formula is and always has been 22/7 or 3 1/7.
>Every figure ever shown for pi has always been 22/7 no matter how
>far the decimal has been carried.

>3.14
>3.1428
>3.1428571
>3.1428571428

Pi is not calculated by 22/7, which is merely an approximation. The
figures you quote above are simply not pi. To ten decimal places pi
is
3.14159265359

By comparing pi (above) to 22/7 (above, above) it is immediately clear
why 22/7 is a useful approximation. The numbers are similar, and to 3
decimal places the same, but they are NOT identical.


Fridrik Skulason

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In <32FB15...@wi.net> Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes:

>So how would you alter 22/7 into a more accurate Pi...

If you mean "How do you represent PI as one number divided by another",
the answer is: "You do not - it is impossible....PI cannot be represented
that way". 22/7 is a rough approximation - useful enough for most everyday
non-exact purposes. 355/113 is closer, and is the best you can get with one
three-digit number divided by another. You can of course get even closer,
by using larger numbers, but you will never get PI exactly this way.

-frisk


--
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David J. Vorous

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Malachi's Eliyah wrote:
snip

> Well, all the posters who replied could care less how Pi
> was developed...they are just out to find another flaw
> or allegation against me, and then think I'm going to
> apologise as if my 22/7 is an intrusion upon their elevated brains.

I am just curious... What does pi and pyramids have to do with the
eshatology of your rantings?

--
David Vorous
da...@snakebite.com
http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/home.html


Dionysius

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>Malachi's Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> wrote:

> March 22 has no significance. It is sunset March 23/24 which is the Nisan 14 Passover full moon
>regarded as a day of salvation placing those gathered for God's truth
>in safety

He said March 22 OR 23, asshole!! Let's not anal-yize over the
surface details.

> while the rest die from mere deliberate ignorance of choosing
>not to listen. Further, he claims that Hale-Bopp will strike.

> I have never listed Hale-Bopp as the cause of impact,

Well, it's kinda hard to know exactly WHAT you say, at any given
moment, SINCE YOU CHANGE IT ALL THE TIME!!!!!

>but as the sign of the day impact WILL occur.

O.K. So let's assume that you "never" said Hale-Bopp will impact the
Earth. You ARE claiming that "SOMETHING" will hit us on that date. So
what is it, Ali-Baba/Elijah-Blabber? Put your money where your mouth
is, if you have any Biblical balls, that is!!

>Now let the public be aware...Delia will not look at the GIF nor
>even note it was mentioned or how it was referred to. It is his goal
>to claim I say things which I havent, with his intent to get you
>to avoid my message.

Exactly what the FUCK is your message?? That you are fully capable of
boring us to tears with your vague, impotent pseudo-religious babble?
GET A LIFE!!!!!

>************
>A paranoid schizophrenic crying out and going unmedicated,
>(40 years of institutionalization)
>1000 years of bullshit has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>144,000 will forcefully give him herbal enemas in his rear END.
>Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday
>His colon will explode, spewing fermented fecal matter, dead gerbils, used condoms
>and poisonous "prophetic" predictions for thousands of miles in all directions!!

>Discover the world of a true anal accident at:
> http://www.feces.com


Dionysius

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>Pseudo-religious Porker, Richard Michael Schiller wrote:

>And Martin Fox doesnt quote anybody because his mere opinion is accepted by
>5 billion Net users waiting for his knowledge to blather forth from
>his spewing mouth.

Face it, you tried to present yourself as an "expert" in the area of
mathematics, by spewwing your claims about Pi. A virtual LANDSLIDE of
responses poured in, showing your erroneous mental processes. Martin
Fox was only one of many, who called you on your numerical numbness!

>The Egytians rolled a cubit radius stone 70 times for KuFu's Pyramid.
>And whether their results obtained their intended 440 cubits, or whether it
>was less because Pi is less than 22/7...their intent was still to

>recognize 7 rolls as 44 cubits.

Yes, but, they also recognized 6 bagels as equal to the phallus of an
Arabian horse!

>So your brainy mathematicians who can calculate what they SEE,
>cannot calculate what they CANT see.

Nobody, except you, bothers attempting to calculate what they can't
see. Part of the scientific method is OBSERVATION. You appear to
prefer Hallucination and abberation!!

> As I have said before, they
>calculate odds and probabilities based on 65 million BC extinctions
>and 20,000-10,000 BC ice ages so that their math represents an
>accurate mathematics to a false history.

False history, you pomously exclaim? Any man who believes that the
first human (Adam) didn't appear on the earth till 4,025 B.C., is not
dealing will a full deck. Viewing history from that warped
perspective gives you NO foundation upon which to criticize historians
and archeologists, who follow strict scientific methods and carbon
dating. Blow it out your ass you pathetic amateur!

>Best example of accurate math misapplied is

(Hey shit-head, if math is misapplied, then it is NOT accurate!!)


>1461 Egypt.cal.yrs x 365 days = 1460 Julian (sirius) yrs x 365.25
>But despite this math as precise and indisputable.....it did not and
>still does not prove that Sirius rose twice 1460 yrs apart on July 20
>of 2782 BC and 1322 BC as it did in 139 AD.

ALL of this is useless web space and methematical masturbation.
It serves NO pupose, other than to "glorify" you (in your own warped
mind) as some wanna-be-math "wizard". Are we suposed to be impressed
as you masturbate your way through the numerical spectrum, spewing
your digital dimentia?

>To the contrary...the star's position for 1322 BC was July 18 not July 20
>so that its rise on the Thoth 1 new year was 1314 BC not 1322 BC, and
>the rise for 2782 BC would have been July 17 not July 20 so that its rise
>on the Thoth 1 new year would be 2770 BC not 2782 BC. This is the major
>quibbling these scholars do, and thus die from the apporaching major
>catastrophe despite their math being so much greater (like Jannes)
>instead of their hearts in truth (as Moses). So if they still cant get it
>straight that Hammurabi is 1792 BC not 2067 BC, and they are still
>printing July 20 of 2782 BC...is there really any question as to who really
>is the negligent, me or most scholars.

I'll trust the scholars over one moron's opinion, ANY OLD DAY!!!

NONE OF THIS HAS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST RELEVANCE
TO ALT.MYTHOLOGY. STOP CROSS-POSTING HERE, YOU
FUCKING PATHETIC POMOUS PEST.

>************
>A psychotic crying out and being institutionalized,
>(40 years of catatonic stupor, mumbling and speaking in tongues)
>1000 years of useless pseudo-religious rhetoric has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>144,000 atheists will disembowel him before this year ENDS.


>Hemmorhoid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

>Colonic explosion spreads fecal e-coli, dead gerbils, used condoms,
>and non-nutritive religious ramblings throughout the earths stratosphere!

>Discover a world of true mental mishap at:
> http://www.jack-me-off.com


Xina

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Malachi's Eliyah wrote:
..is there really any question as to who really
> is the negligent, me or most scholars.

Do you really want an answer to that, Richard?

BTW, I was reading in the bible where it warns against soothsaying, and
in a conversation with a biblical scholar that I work with who knows his
dates, scripture and information I daresay a *bit* better than you, he
gave me the REAL meaning of the word 'soothsaying'.

It is not defined as merely fortelling the future, such as Crystal
balls, tarot cards and 1900 psychic lines that give you the astrological
outlook of your life.....no....

Soothsaying means DOOM SAYER! Be not A DOOM SAYER!!!


>
> ************
> A voice crying out and going unheard,
> (40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24
> God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
> The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.

> Asteroid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

Hmmmmm I think this certainly qualifies. And so, by your own insane
paranoia and crisis oriented mentality, you have damned yourself by the
very word of God that you wave around the heads of everyone in these
newsgroups...

Malachi's Eliyah

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Sunday February 16 is the airing of ASTEROID.
It shows a rain of fireballs which could only happen if the
asteroid broke up,... or if it impact on ground and threw
into space rocks from earth returning as fireballs.
The illustration of this movie goes beyond the biblical record
of predicting survivors and a better world for those who work
1000 years to get it that way. Dont let them scare you.
Evacuation as LOT did is possible. Like Lot, if your husband or
wife dies on the way out...continue with your children.
Corrupt societies are destroyed more often than the righteous,
because the righteous move out as they recognize warning.

DISCOVERY is airing the two-hour * 3 MINUTES TO IMPACT *
again on Feb 16 at 4 pm EST (3pm Chicago)
and Feb 19 at 8 pm and 11 pm EST (7 pm and 10 pm Chicago).
Watch it. It was very good despite the fact they only covered asteroids
one mile to 15 miles. Armageddon does not destroy us from the
working hands of God's volcanoes. It is the rulers who kill us,
the scholars, the arrogant, their negligent work ....
their life sources such as electrical dams, nuclear power plants,
chemical storage for life's convenience...all their means of
a good life they regard as salvation will kill them.
Keep away from them when they die.

This information is your warning.
Remember it was Egypt who taught Moses to charm an
asp-cobra and pretend it was a staff;
(the liars for power that they are)
but it was Jehovah's nature in Sinai who taught him
a nonpoisonous hog-nose was safer to pick up and
eats the asp-cobras. So too, I may be the little guy,
but it is Jehovah who destroys the scholars merely by
proving Himself correct. God does not have to destroy
scholars to prove me correct; he destroys scholars
when he proves himself correct. Let's hear it from the readers
a loud cry of rejoice that our God has come.

************
A voice crying out and going unheard,
(40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24
God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.

The 144,000 will start their 1000-year rule before this first year ENDS.


Asteroid impact following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

Malachi's Eliyah

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David J. Vorous wrote:
> I am no math expert, but PI is 3.14159... The elipse (the three dots)
> means that the number goes on forever without repeating any number
> sequence. If you want to get closer divide 355 by 113. That will get you
> 6 digits past the decimal point. 22/7 only gets you 2 places.

Your title says NEVER WAS unless you are so picky that I should
correctly quote you as WAS NEVER 22 / 7.

To readers:
Yes, I know it was retorical mockery...you people dont have to come
back with your witty remarks as you always stupidly do.
The ignorance of modern Pi you caught me on was *NOT* a deliberate
ignorance on my part as is your own ignorance in more important facts,
yet who always reads my posts as blabber because your eyes and pride
are rolled up in your head like an epileptic siezure.

Am I to regard your words as
saying you doubt the Egyptians of Al Jiza who constructed for the pyramid
of KuFu from 2170-1986 BC ever had it in their minds that rolling
a cubit radius stone 70 times would be 440 cubits merely because
*WE* know such a stone in reality produces 439.823 cubits.
And you are positive that this 439.823 cubit base was NOT
presumed by these Egyptians to be exactly 440.
I disagree on the simple fact of how long it took them to
recognize 4 years as 1461 days (Julian).
At least a month's drift of 120 years.
And did nothing til Rome forced it in 46 BC.
Doesn't sound like their original calendar of 365-days
was created by these smart Ehyptians which you feel
did better than 22 / 7 or 44 cubits for every 7 rolls of a cubit radius.
It's only natural to draw a circle with a cubit than fold the radius
cord in half to draw a cubit diameter.

To readers:
Now I know you people are wicked at heart. You will ignore
the discussion of Pi and will now tangent on the dates I give the pyramid.
But your belief of a 2600 BC pyramid only proves the Egyptians
as even greater fools for having a faulty 365-day calendar even
longer than I myself claim. I say it was inaugurated in 2030 BC
by the 70 kings and 70 days of th 7th dynasty
with the Greek month Phamenoth as 340 years after a global Flood;
That it existed 10 years until the HOUSE (Pharaoh) was created in
2020 BC, and 10-year Memphis chosen. Another 15 years (total 25)
309 lunar months until the 10th dynasty claimed
the winter solstice new year of Jan 6 as Thoth 1 of 2004 BC.
Of which in 18 years (total 43) the GP's
Queen's chamber was abandoned and the King's chamber constructed
for Thuban's new position in 1986 BC when the 11th dynasty took
control of the HOUSE (Pharaoh) for another 43 years so that after 86 years
of the calendar (76 years of Pharaoh), the 12th dynasty declared Thoth 16
as the winter solstice (Jan 6) in its first year 1943 BC and Phamenoth 16
as the (July 10) Sothic rise of the summer solstice at tropic fort Quban.
And then 120 years later in 1824 (7th of Sesostris) recognized the drift
of one complete month.
Thoth 16 to Phaophi 16 for Jan 6, and
Phamenoth 16 to Pharmuthi 16 for July 10.
Because Joseph closed the 12th dynasty, the pride of Egypt
haughtily rejected any sense of truth above racial bias,
and rejected the drift they had learned. But you NET Users are
so smart you think the Egyptians enjoyed an ingenious calendar
for 898 years from July 17 of 2770 BC to Sesostris 1872 BC despite
their stupidity of having a drift. Like the obedient Moslems refusing
any recognition of adapting naturally to seasonal reality. Then perhaps
you should all become Moslems. There is no record of the new year
in any of the pyramids, not sothic (Sirius), not calendar, not venus,
not lunar, not at all. And yet you insist this calendar was 2770 BC before
your claim of 2600 BC pyramids. The fact is the pyramids were
of 2170-1824 BC and having existed 140 years before the calendar
there was a pride of NOT needing the Memphite calendar for their
pyramids. As always the truth of history is hidden in your stealing
the discoveries of others; so that your own lying claims of *WHEN*
you discovered things are written down in place of the truth.
Egyptians accredited discoveries of Moses to Jannes who was
really a jackass scholar as the rest of you.

************
A voice crying out and going unheard,
(40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24
God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.

The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.

Malachi's Eliyah

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> >In <32FB15...@wi.net> Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes:
> >>So how would you alter 22/7 into a more accurate Pi...

J. Antero Runokivi wrote:
> What does this have to do with Mythology?
> please trim your headers
> thank you
> A. Runokivi

Pyramid construction based on astronomy and measure
is all derived from the interpretation of Egypts mythology.
Nobody reading the mythology newsgroup should be so
ignorant as to NOT see this. People who accuse crossposting
are narrow visioned people who wish to force their control
while claiming most truths as fabrications to censor at their demand.

************
A voice crying out and going unheard,
(40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24

God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996; (144,000 will
start their 1000-year rule before this ascension year ENDS)

Malachi's Eliyah

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Sieve wrote:
> > ...so merely because my knowledge was
> > no more accurate than the Egyptians...

> I hope somebody else got a kick out of this.

> > 22/7 is from your American junior high teachers
>> who were told by you educators to tell me it was 22/7
> > as if me a 12-14 year old couldnt comprehend the truth.
> > And further I am still stating a fact about the Egyptians

> Slow down, man, think before you type. It's not a race to the spacebar.

> > Basically you people listen to a person looking for the first
> > mispronounced word so that you can create a tangent of how
> > the word should be pronounced rather than permit the person
> > speaking any consideration of continuing.

> Surely you can respond to me without wishing peril upon my
> life...but perhaps I am speaking too soon.

I stress that what goes around (dished out) causes results
which comes around (or brings suffering effects that YOU will
have to deal with). You reap what you sow. I am not saying
all things reaped by one person are from all things sown by that
person. But everything reaped...was sown by somebody....
so face it and change it. When will everything be treated in
a precautionary manner instead of salving wounds in post-treatments.

> > ************
> > A voice crying out and going unheard,
> > (40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24

> > God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
> > The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.

Malachi's Eliyah

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************

Malachi's Eliyah

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Don Judy wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:44:01 +0000, a certain elija/johnthebaptist-possessed
> Wisconsinian formerly from Tennesseen blabbered falsely about Martin Fox's
> accurate description of his (prophetboy's) loud-mouthed, self-ordained, self
> righteous and self involved posting and will undoubtedly make excuses about
> other postings or general tenor of replies to his rude, invasive, defensive,
> inexcusable blather.
> DJ

You have the Gaul to take a transversal of letters such
as menatl and accuse it of being not knowing how to spell mental,
and then you use words like Wisconsinian instead of Wisconsinite.
And believing previous asses, you think I'm a red-neck when I've
never dwelled anywhere near Tennesee. Get a life, if your posts
are mere entertainment to you.

************
A voice crying out and going unheard,
(40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24

God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996; (144,000 will
start their 1000-year rule before this ascension year ENDS)

Stix

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Richard Schiller posted the following to alt.atheism,

>And Martin Fox doesnt believe me because I am an idiot.
>His mere opinion is accepted by 5 billion Net users, because the only
>alternative is to believe me, and I'm a fucking fruitcake.
>All that comes from me is vomit which everyone knows is all that's
>likely to blather forth from my insane, spewing mouth.
>Martin may know what Pi is, but I don't know anything.

<snip psychotic gibberish>

>************
>A voice crying out, "Mommy, mommy, I wanna lick you!"
>(40 years of screwing the woman who bore me)
>God's annoying psychopath. 1000 years of wanking.
>The 144,000 will fuck my whore mother before this first year ENDS.
>Pickhandle impact following my babbling from those I've annoyed

>Discover a totally deluded, incestuous loser
> http://www.execpc.com/~elijah


Wayne Delia

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In <5dnff2$7...@banani.complex.is>, fr...@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason) writes:
>In <32FB15...@wi.net> Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net> writes:
>
>>So how would you alter 22/7 into a more accurate Pi...
>
>If you mean "How do you represent PI as one number divided by another",
>the answer is: "You do not - it is impossible....PI cannot be represented
>that way".

Let "one number" be the length of the circumference of a given circle. Let
"another number" be the length of the diameter of the same circle.

Then pi is "one number divided by another number."

If you want to deal in integers or rational numbers only, then you're right...

Wayne Delia, red...@ibm.net
"I am evil Ho-mer! I am evil Ho-mer!" - Evil Homer Simpson,
dancing on the grave of Good Homer Simpson


AMICVS CONSTANTINI

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In article <32FAFD...@mail.teleport.com>, "John P. Boatwright"
<sa...@mail.teleport.com> wrote:

> Malachi-Eliyah wrote:
.
>
> Wrong, pi to a few places is:
>
> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 ....
>
> 22/7 is only a "rough" approximation of pi.
>
> For proof, just enter 22/7 into the Windows scientific calculator,
> set for "radians" and take the "sin" function. The answer should
> give zero when the true value for pi is used. Of course it doesn't
> and gives -0.001264488.... which is wrong. Then try the number
> given above and you'll get about 10 billion times closer to zero
> for the same calculation. Since you can never get exactly to the
> value of pi, the "sin" calculation will never go fully to zero
> (but close enough for this example).
>
> Best wishes.

But Malachi-Eliya, Forerunner of John the Babbler, would *never* calculate
with SIN!!!


Stix

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Richard Schiller posted the following to alt.atheism,

>Well, all the posters who replied could care less how Pi
>was developed.

Exactly - just how to calculate it accurately.

>they are just out to find another flaw or allegation against me,

Well it's pretty easy, dingbat - you're insane.

> and then think I'm going to
>apologise as if my 22/7 is an intrusion upon their elevated brains.

No one *really* expected you to apologize. You're beneath integrity because
you're a psychotic fuckup and a pathological liar.

Take another pill, psycho.

>************
>A man who tongues his mother's anus,
>(40 years of constant drooling)
>God doesn't exist. 1000 years of screwing mommy has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>The 144,000 times I fuck mommy will occur before this first year ENDS.
>Scrotal impact following penetration of mommy's anus

>Discover the world's false prophet and liar for the lord
> http://www.execpc.com/~elijah


Malachi's Eliyah

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Mr.Fox wrote:
> > But the Bible says that pi is 3. Read it in the description of one of
> > the vessels in Solomon's temple.

John D. Goulden wrote:
> The passage "Now he
> made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form,
> and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference"
> 1 Kings 7:23, NASV.
> a general description. "Ten" and"five" and "thirty" sound pretty general to me.
> Thank goodness the author of 1 Kings didn't write "10.0" and "31.4" cubits
> in that description or Mr. Fox would insist that pi is exactly 3.14 instead
> of the non-repeating irrational number that we accept today.

>By the way,
> most cultures of that era (including the Egyptians) used sophisticated
> geometrical constructions to produce an accurate value for pi when they
> needed it for some practical purpose (like building something); the very
> notion of 22/7 didn't even exist in their mathematics.
> John D. Goulden
> jgou...@snu.edu
> jgou...@flash.net

WHICH ERA IS THAT ? (KuFu's pyramid or Solomon's temple)
How can you equate Jewish temple knowledge with Egyptian pyramid
knowledge millenia earlier?
You are wrong on this count basically in the fact that 22/7
was posted in reference to the Great Pyramid (built in 184 years
2170-1986 BC aimed at Thuban) which is long before the temple
built in 1034 BC aimed at Regulus-Jupiter. I think the knowledge
used by Egyptians 952 years apart would be quite different.
So you criticize the 22/7 for the * "cultures of THAT era" *
referring to the temple
(of which you probably place even later than 1034 BC)
while ignoring the topic of the pyramids. Clearly the world's heart
is not humble, but seeks to discredit all other individuals
so as to esteem themselves as individuals. What motive Mr. Gouldon
would you have for discrediting my view of 2170 BC with your opinion
regarding the era of Solomon's temple. Or as the wicked on this NET
should we all claim that you say the pyramids and Solomon's temple
were of the SAME era...to accurately quote exactly what you said.
You people cannot see the spirit in you to say what is mailce in intent.

Malachi's Eliyah

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David J. Vorous wrote:
> I am just curious... What does pi and pyramids have to do with the
> escatology of your rantings?
> da...@snakebite.com

SCIENCE
The growth of knowledge, but also that of sin corrupting
our knowledge from Adam til today. We die from our collective
errors. These collective errors are NOT genetic because asa with
digital computers, our genes remove the curse thru four gnerations.
Some feel the Bible contradicts by saying not to punish a child
for its parents sins, yet pointing out our sin from Adam, and the
words claiming punishment up to 4 generations. We inherit the
sin from Adam thru learning from conception onward. The error
is there from scratch before birth, but it is not error that nature does
not edit out of future generations. Genetic sexual reproduction
weeds out errors so that 5th generation errors are eliminated
or go totally unnoticed. Only the 4 generations are seen to
have some who inherit the genetic flaw. This is NOT a deliberate
attempt of God to punish, but rather is a deliberate way of healing
so that children are NOT the errors that their parents are.

Satan created sin speaking to Eve, and Eve brought sin to
Adam. But the word itself was created in Ur where they built
a tower as in Babel. And thought that they would be righteous by
being different than the tower of Babel. The original name
for the moon is Nanna which is great mother (or grandma).
Sin is the error of the moon in measuring it.
It comes from Lord Su (en Su) being also referred
to as Su-en (Su our Lord) evolving into Sin.

Thus my site shows the calendar purpose of the towers to
SAVE humans thru the death of winter, but also count time in
cycles til the END distaster expected in 6000 years. But they argued
whether these 6000 years were 360-day Sumerian,
365-day Egyptian, or sothic Julian years. The postFlood 4344 years
vary by 62 years in these three calendars.
4344x 360 = 1,563,840 days
+22,806 days
4344 Julian = 1,586,646 days
So towers and construction are VERY important to the whole
matter. They measure astronomy and thus prove that somebody
warned of an astral impact millenia ago.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Xina wrote:
> BTW, I was reading in the bible where it warns against soothsaying, and
> in a conversation with a biblical scholar that I work with who knows his
> dates, scripture and information I daresay a *bit* better than you, he
> gave me the REAL meaning of the word 'soothsaying'.
> It is not defined as merely fortelling the future, such as Crystal
> balls, tarot cards and 1900 psychic lines that give you the astrological
> outlook of your life.....no....
> Soothsaying means DOOM SAYER! Be not A DOOM SAYER!!!

I seer is one who sees, and a sayer is one who says.
A seer does not have to be a prophesying predicter of furture
events. It is a person who projects probabilites based on data
he sees. Yes it is vulnerable to HOW he does his seeing.
Examples of seeing are in lotteries, in insurance collecting data,
in astronomy predictions and weather predictions. Yes, weathermen
are condemned when wrong (not appreciated for when right).
Yet today's world condemns ALL biblical help.
But the results (by God) are enough to condemn the specific
words predicted by anybody. This is why Jonah was NOT condemned
for being wrong about Ninevah being destroyed. Ninevah changed
the factors causing destruction and thus curved or postponed or
avoided the specific kind of destruction. The fact that they avoided
destruction proves that Jonah was CORRECT about the cause of it.
Yet Jonah was not happy with their change because they did not credit
him for the warning, and now he looked the fool. What the book says
is most important is that they avoided death from changing.
Credit doesnt matter. The warning and obeying it does.

A soothsayer is NOT a mere doom sayer. A sooth sayer is a person
who provides the soothing words of how to escape or be saved.
Thus every person projecting a threat of potential disaster
whether claims of Russia's nuclear missiles, or communistic control,
or AIDS, or global warming, or the dawn of the next Ice Age...
all project their SOOTHING opinion of how to be saved, how to escape...
this is what we should do to escape.
Yes they make themselves your leader...
in medications, in healings, in political correctness, in bureaucracy,
in handling the people...etc
I am NOT your leader. I am his forerunner whom you will
either accept or behead as John. And your leader you will kill as
you did Jesus, but he has already gathered a church of millions
to be saved when they see the extent of your jealousy to kill him.
He numbers 144,000 because as a mere 8000 on earth he has
136,001 in heaven behind him.
(That extra 1 is her huband Jesus).

Malachi's Eliyah

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> Malachi-Eliyah (eli...@wi.net) wrote:
> : I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

cz...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> I guess that means we shan't be seeing you apologize ever, on anything.

To learn is better than an apology without learning.
I have learned what the real Pi is and will never forget.
My junior high teachers had me convinced it was 22/7.
I was even amazed that there WAS a specific fraction for it,
and I guess all the while there wasnt. It is why I always used
22/7 instead of ANY decimal at all. I would always mulitply
by 22 and divide by 7. Guess I won't be doin that anymore.

Malachi's Eliyah

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Feb 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/10/97
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> Marc PERNET (mpe...@club-internet.fr) wrote:
>Pi IS NOT a rational.

Paul J. Gans [ga...@scholar.chem.nyu.edu]


> Nor are many folks posting in this thread.

> : Those who have doubts should ask a mathematic teacher

> : Marc

> Some should check with their local mental health specialist, or,
> in one case, with God.

Well God knows none of you are rational,
and as regards your own opinion,
just call me Pi (surpise, I *CAN* laugh)

Malachi's Eliyah

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Xina wrote:
> Soothsaying means DOOM SAYER! Be not A DOOM SAYER!!!

Letter sent to me today:
Re: Xina Is A Hysterical Air-head
>Dear Elijah,
>I think that Xina is full of it. She wrote today that you are breaking
>God's commandment by soothsaying. Why don't you come back and tell the
>self-avowed witch that the Bible says "Thou shallt not suffer a witch to
>live." Also, Xina has borne false witness against people in the past,
>including myself. Tell her, too, that she reguarly breaks the unwritten
>commandment "Thou shallt mind thy own business" by continually trying to
>drive people out of the sci.arch newsgroup when all she has to do is not
>read their posts if the people's ideas are not to her liking. She is a
>witch who loves to go on "witch-hunts".

I no longer know what is legit and what isnt,
so I really do not care whether anybody has replies to this post.

Malachi's Eliyah

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> Malachi-Eliyah (eli...@wi.net) wrote:
> : I should not have to apologize for ignorance.

cz...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> I guess that means we shan't be seeing you apologize ever, on anything.

To learn is better than an apology without learning.
I have learned what the real Pi is and will never forget.
My junior high teachers had me convinced it was 22/7.
I was even amazed that there WAS a specific fraction for it,
and I guess all the while there wasnt. It is why I always used
22/7 instead of ANY decimal at all. I would always mulitply
by 22 and divide by 7. Guess I won't be doin that anymore.

************

Sieve

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On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Malachi's Eliyah wrote:

> I stress that what goes around (dished out) causes results
> which comes around (or brings suffering effects that YOU will
> have to deal with). You reap what you sow. I am not saying
> all things reaped by one person are from all things sown by that
> person. But everything reaped...was sown by somebody....
> so face it and change it. When will everything be treated in
> a precautionary manner instead of salving wounds in post-treatments.

Look, you delusional fuckwad, Newton's third law does NOT apply to
morals. Morals are human constructs, like gods and myths; they serve
varying functions but in the end are just behavioral modifiers. If you
want to limit your scope/ dictate your own behavioral responses in such a
mitigating fashion, fine, whatever. But don't prescribe your pathos to
me; I've got much better things to do.

"And there's no god in heaven, so get off your knees." -MDC

sieve

> > > ************
> > > A voice crying out and going unheard,

All I hear are the desperate rantings of someone who needs therapy...you're
doing a lot of substituting, expressing a lot of Oedipal desires. You
should talk to someone about this. (The need for self-obliteration...how
badly do you want to crawl back into the womb?)

Jiri Mruzek

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erikc wrote:
>
> On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:20:55 +0000
> Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net>
> as message <32FAF3...@wi.net>
> -- posted from: alt.atheism:
> >|> R. Gaenssmantel wrote:

> Pi is calculated by using the series:
> Pi = 4 * ( 1/1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 ... )

That is divinely spectacular simplicity. True Creation at work!

>
> with the signs alternating and the denominators increasing by 2
> for each term. > Carry it out for a few million iterations and
> you get: > Pi = 3.1415927+ (to eight places -- pi has been
> calculated to several million places)

> A better approximation to Pi is:355 / 113 = 3.1415929
> Pi = 3.1415927
> --------------
> 0.0000002 = pretty close.

I'd just like to poit out that you may write 1/1 as simply 1. So,

Pi = 4 * ( 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 ... )

In relation to the Frame (of the Cinderella engraving) chapter
of my Ancient Science-Art report, which proves conclusively that
the Ancients emphasise their intimate knowledge of 355/113 -
let's note that the first three bracketed numerals in the above
iterative formula are 1,1,3. O'how,these numerals remind me of
the Magical Number 113 :-) Interestingly, we see the ratio 1/3
on the Frame, in a direct sequence. (I call such direct
sequences Straights)

We have: 80 & 113 & 146, a 'straight' of Frame segments.
Thus, 113 is a third of the total of 339.
We have also a sequence of 81 & 27, where 27 is 1/3 of its
neighbour 81.
Additionally we have (though not as a Straight) 80 & 16,
where 16 is 1/5 of 80.
In turn, 16 marks 1/7 of the Wheel of 113, which comprises
112 remainders (moduli), which we encounter as a repeating
cycle in 1/113 (when we are carrying out the division).
For further details check:
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jirimruzek/atma.htm

Naturally, the most important sequence of segments on the
Frame is 27 & 139 & 16 & 173 & 113, the same as 355/113.
For reference, the entire sequence of segments enclosing
the engraving behind its outermost points is given below.

a .... b .. c ... d .. e .. f .. g ... h .. i .. j .. k .. l

113 - 147 - 80 - 113 -146 - 81 - 110 - 81 - 27 - 139 -16 -173

The segments of 173, and 113 are neighbors, closing the loop. )


Jiri - discoverer of the oldest image of a horseman:
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jirimruzek/xrayride.htm
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jirimruzek/debate.htm

*********************************************
Atlantean math is just as boring..


Michael Wodzak

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Malachi's Eliyah wrote:

I assure you that the
> 75% ocean surface almost guarantees greater odds of ocean impact
> so that we may survive.

Don't you watch TV? Everyone knows that there is a 100% chance that the
asteroid is going to hit, and a 50% chance that it will land on New
York. If it misses the Big Apple, Scientists agree that it will land
on Los Angeles.

Whichever of the two it lands on, however, it will actualy land on
Toronto where it's cheaper to film.

Michal

Stix

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Feb 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/11/97
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Richard Michael Schiller posted the following to alt.atheism,

>Wayne Delia wrote:
>> The person to whom you're responding, Richard Schiller, is a noted net.loon
>> on the verge of a complete schizophrenic breakdown. He has predicted the
>> end of the world on March 22 or 23, caused by the impact of Hale-Bopp with
>> the earth. I'm sure your correct explanation went right over his head (assuming
>> he was paying any attention) and he will now issue a curse on your house, with
>> something to do with Nehemiah. It's really quite amusing.

<snip gibberish>

> I assure you

Who gives a toss WHAT you assure, psycho? You're a demented moron.

<snip nonsensical gibberish>

>being diluted back to Noah's preFlood levels.

Noah's flood never happened, wacko.

> Let us not forget that the pagan king Gilgamesh went to Noah to ask
> how it was he could live to 940 when all others were dying at 240.

Gibberish. Biblical gibberish.

<snip nonsensical gibberish>

>Do not listen to these men

No one listens to YOU, Schiller. You're a proven fuckup.

<snip nonsensical gibberish>

>This scholastic ploy
>shaking hands with Hollywood is like a church scare-tactic painting a
>scenerio of hell so you will fund their programs. (Just like churches.)

And the reason YOU babble scare-tactic crap is.........?

>Wayne Delia is far from any source of accurate information.

Wayne Delia is more accurate than you can EVER hope to be, and has more
integrity in one of his boogers than you'll EVER possess, lunatic.

>First you will see that the man lies

Fucking lying psychopath. You have some nerve calling anyone else a liar
you pathetic piece of subhuman shit.

> claiming that he can form any false allegations to persuade you the public into being as stupid
>as he is

Hah! Now THAT'S funny! A total fucking lying nutcase calling someone else
stupid! Hahahahahahahaha! You're the dimmest bulb on usenet, fuckface!

> practicing stopped up hearing, nose in the air, and arogance
>based on strictly self-fabricated bias and prejudice.

No, that's what YOU do, lunatic.

> March 22 has no significance.

Neither do you, insignificant scumbag.

> It is sunset March 23/24 which is the Nisan 14 Passover

Is that similar to the Nissan Pulsar, or a different model?

> full moon

...which is what you show your boyfriend just before he slides his fat dick
into your stretched anus....

>regarded as a day of salvation placing those gathered for God's truth

>in safety while the rest die from mere deliberate ignorance of choosing
>not to listen.

Choosing not to listen to a demented loser who babbles psuedo-prophetic
gibberish that NO SINGLE PERSON listens to. You're a washed-out fuckup
Schiller - your best bet is suicide.

> Further, he claims that Hale-Bopp will strike.

No YOU have claimed that Hale-Bopp will strike.

> I have never listed Hale-Bopp as the cause of impact,

>but as the sign of the day impact WILL occur.

And when no impact occurs, what are you going to do? Tell more lies?

>Now let the public be aware...

Richard Michael Schiller is a danger to everyone in his physical vicinity.
Carry a firearm and shoot to kill if he comes anywhere near you.

>It is his goal to claim I say things which I havent, with his intent to get you
>to avoid my message.

Why do you bother with these lies, weirdo? NO ONE believes you! Everyone
*knows* you are a complete and utter psycho on the verge of a total nervous
collapse!

> You are my witnesses

We sure are. Witnesses that you are completely deranged.

<snip nonsensical gibberish>

>************
>A voice crying into his mommy's pussy,
>(40 years of molesting children)
>10 years of psychotic wailing has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>The 144,000 petition signees will have me committed before this first year ENDS.
>Thorazine dose to be increased following March 23 Passover Palm Sunday

>Discover a complete and utter moronic psycho at
> http://www.execpc.com/~elijah

Stix
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
"Mysticism is a disease of the mind."
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

erikc

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On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:20:55 +0000
Malachi-Eliyah <eli...@wi.net>
as message <32FAF3...@wi.net>
-- posted from: alt.atheism:

[bleah, bleah, bleah]


Hey! Elijah (dick) Foreskin! Here's a face full of PI. I got it from
http://www.ccsf.caltech.edu/~roy/pi.50000.html in case there's anybody else out
there who REALLY gives a shit. So let's shut this thread down, and move on to
more fun topics like how much jesus sucks or whatever.


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Erikc.


Creationist: a bible college graduate whose commencement
exercises consist of demonstrating that he can walk without
scraping his knuckles on the floor.

/* Here's an example of thier moral degeneracy */
http://www.christiangallery.com/ (home page)
http://www.christiangallery.com/sick1.html#bugger

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