Last night's late "Law and Order"-- One I'd love to see revisited
Wally Parker
Interesting "late" episode of "L & O" last night (Tuesday/early
Wednesday) on A & E) that was a classic "New York City Slumlord" case. In
the episode (from late in season two) had a baby who was found in a box
under a couch in a hospital that turned out to be stone cold after
freezing to death in his apartment due to the babysitter being unable to
get in. It turns out a "slumlord" was using tactics all too real in New
York to get the tenants-who were there under rent control-out so they
could "renovate" the building and charge outlandish rents.
The "slumlord" that was charged in this case was found guilty. I'd love
to see this episode revisited, in part because it was only noted at the
end she was out pending appeal. It could be written now that "slumlord"
sucessfully got the case overturned on appeal, supposedly because of the
manner that Robinette was used as a sub for Profaci when he was stuck in
a traffic jam. That same "slumlord" had another Joseph Turner-like in the
wings who harrased tenants when the more recent round of "renovating"
apartments began, especially with the rents as high as they are now in
parts of Manhattan, and now a similar incident happens to the one in
season two, only this time, the Joseph Turner-like tries to "send a
message" to the DAs office, something on a smaller scale of the Russian
mob hit in last season's finale.
Walter Parker
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Annikins
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> To all:
>
> Interesting "late" episode of "L & O" last night (Tuesday/early
> Wednesday) on A & E) that was a classic "New York City Slumlord" case.
Called "Cradle to Grave," and an excellent episode. I especially loved the
part where Logan asks Robinette for his jacket back after catching the
building inspector. Robinette doesn't say anything nor does he give it
back, but just kind of straightens the jacket a bit on himself. It's that
kind of impromptu camraderie that is missing from the current season.
<snip>
> The "slumlord" that was charged in this case was found guilty. I'd love
> to see this episode revisited, in part because it was only noted at the
> end she was out pending appeal.
That was my question. First, they flash a screen at the end that says the
woman was out on bail pending appeal, right? So, I thought it was a real
case. Then, they have the usual disclaimer that, "This story is fictional,
blah blah blah." So, which is it? I presume it's fictional, but then why
did they flash that thing at the end?
> It could be written now that "slumlord"
> sucessfully got the case overturned on appeal, supposedly because of the
> manner that Robinette was used as a sub for Profaci when he was stuck in
> a traffic jam. That same "slumlord" had another Joseph Turner-like in the
> wings who harrased tenants when the more recent round of "renovating"
> apartments began, especially with the rents as high as they are now in
> parts of Manhattan, and now a similar incident happens to the one in
> season two, only this time, the Joseph Turner-like tries to "send a
> message" to the DAs office, something on a smaller scale of the Russian
> mob hit in last season's finale.
Hey, don't forget how Jack is conveniently sick during this trial, and it
becomes Abbie's "showcase" and she gets promoted to Manhattan DA and Claire
comes out of her coma to defend Joseph Turner and...
J/K. I am totally kidding. This is a JOKE, Walt, don't get any new ideas
(not that I can stop you).
-Ann (looking forward to a new L&O and not able to resist this prime
opportunity)
Katy IJL
>Russian
>mob
Ok Walt, hows this,Try a whole post without saying:
18-45 male demographic
Russian Mob
Sopranos crossover
Katy
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> Ok Walt, hows this,Try a whole post without saying:
>
> 18-45 male demographic
> Russian Mob
> Sopranos crossover
Is that the start of a new drinking game?
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giner
In article <8e87fc$upa$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, "Annikins" <
anni...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>Wally Parker <free...@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:20000426.192824.-...@juno.com...
>> To all:
>>
>> Interesting "late" episode of "L & O" last night
(Tuesday/early
>> Wednesday) on A & E) that was a classic "New York City
Slumlord" case.
>
>Called "Cradle to Grave," and an excellent episode. I
especially loved the
>part where Logan asks Robinette for his jacket back after
catching the
>building inspector. Robinette doesn't say anything nor does he
give it
>back, but just kind of straightens the jacket a bit on himself.
It's that
>kind of impromptu camraderie that is missing from the current
season.
Yes! That is one of my favorite Robinette moments. I know he's
not
a favorite among many people here, but I liked him. (I also just
love him in Good vs. Evil, which unfortunate looks like it's
getting axed. Bummer).
And I just love that coat, I don't think I'd give it back either
but for probably different reasons.
giner
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Mary Campbell
> Wally Parker <free...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:20000426.192824.-...@juno.com...
>> To all:
>>
>> Interesting "late" episode of "L & O" last night (Tuesday/early
>> Wednesday) on A & E) that was a classic "New York City Slumlord" case.
>
> Called "Cradle to Grave," and an excellent episode. I especially loved the
> part where Logan asks Robinette for his jacket back after catching the
> building inspector. Robinette doesn't say anything nor does he give it
> back, but just kind of straightens the jacket a bit on himself. It's that
> kind of impromptu camraderie that is missing from the current season.
You mean between the DA's team and the cops? Well, it's been fairly well
established that Briscoe and McCoy don't get along (neither did Curtis and
McCoy). So it's fair to say that relationships between the two teams have
cooled somewhat.
Yes, I've always liked that little bit of byplay with the coat. Robinette
actually almost smiles!
> That was my question. First, they flash a screen at the end that says the
> woman was out on bail pending appeal, right? So, I thought it was a real
> case. Then, they have the usual disclaimer that, "This story is fictional,
> blah blah blah." So, which is it? I presume it's fictional, but then why
> did they flash that thing at the end?
They did this quite a bit in the early episodes whenever a case wasn't
resolved during the episode, or when they went for a dramatic ending by
closing on Stone's summation to the jury or some other courtroom scene
instead of the verdict.
For example "Heaven" in season 2 (the social club fire) ends with the
camera panning around a courtroom full of weeping relatives as a court
reporter reads the names of the dead -- very effective. Then you see a
screen with the verdict and details of the sentences.
They always flash a disclaimer no matter how closely the episode follows
the RL case. Of course, it's not true (think of "Indifference"
where the disclaimer specifically says that the dead child's mother is not
based on Hedda Nusbaum when we all know perfectly well it was).
But presumably it's all they need to protect themselves from legal action
by someone portrayed in the show, as long as they don't use the real names.
Charles A Lieberman
Don Porter
>Katy IJL <crye...@aol.com-crapola> wrote:
>> Ok Walt, hows this,Try a whole post without saying:
>>
>> 18-45 male demographic
>> Russian Mob
>> Sopranos crossover
>
>Is that the start of a new drinking game?
Freyja, they're starting up again!
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Walt
One reason I would to see a revisit of "Cradle To Grave" (an episode I never
saw until it aired late Tuesday) is because what happened in that episode not
only likely still happens in New York, but it probably is worse now than it was
in 1992 (when that episode aired), especially with the economy the way it is in
NYC and the rents going through the roof.
I could see an episode similar to "Cradle To Grave" where someone freezes in
their apartment, and for this episode, Robinette agrees to return to the DA's
office as a "hired gun" because it's a case where race doesn't matter, and he
knows people in similar situations to a "slumlord" in the original 1992
epsiode. The episode (as noted earlier) could have Iris Corman with another
Joseph Turner-like who terrorizes tenants, and this time after seeing Abbie and
her hard-nosed way of dealing with Cornman and the new version of Joseph Turner
(after she is chosen to lead the prosecution of the case), Cornman decides the
way to win is to make Abbie incapable of prosecuting them without killing her,
and at the same time scaring most of the other ADAs off that case, with
Robinette then coming back as the "hired gun."
Walt
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Freyja
Charles A Lieberman <yvro...@voicenet.com> wrote in message
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| 27 Apr 2000 01:08:26 -0400
| Don Porter
| >Katy IJL <crye...@aol.com-crapola> wrote:
| >> Ok Walt, hows this,Try a whole post without saying:
| >>
| >> 18-45 male demographic
| >> Russian Mob
| >> Sopranos crossover
| >
| >Is that the start of a new drinking game?
|
| Freyja, they're starting up again!
Here we go:
L&O DRINKING GAME, Version 1
A little extra amusement, courtesy of "Wise Gu...@aol.com"
(Starting with an ordinary, domestic beer....)
Logan's hair arrests entire female audience: 1 drink
Robinette's hair stands up: 2 drinks
Robinette's hair takes the stand: switch to Pilsner Urquel
Schiff predicts doom and gloom: 1 drink
Schiff gets a full-body camera shot: 3 drinks
Schiff argues a case: Switch to Tequila, shooters all around
Logan and Greevey share a hotdog: 1 drink
Logan and Cerreta share a hotdog; 1 drink
Logan and Briscoe share a hotdog: 1 drink
Logan and Briscoe share a girlfriend: switch to J.W./Black
Cragen expresses frustration: 1 drink
Cragen goes home to his wife: 3 drinks
All the detectives take personal time: switch to doubles
Van Buren wears the print blouse: 1 drink
Van Buren throws a hissy fit: switch to gin
Olivette lets her hair down: 1 drink
Olivette shares and cares: 1 drink
Olivette mentions a relationship: 3 drinks
Olivette specifically mentions Logan: pop the Mumms!
Stone researches his case: 1 drink
Stone takes the moral highground: 1 drink
Stone argues with Schiff: 1 drink
Stone addresses a witness as "Sir": switch to Chivas Regal
Stone takes his pants off while Kincaid is in room: finish off the scotch
and the gin
Stone boffs Kincaid: (Just say NO to drugs)
Kincaid wears the pale-blue suit: 1 drink
Kincaid argues with McCoy: 1 drink
Kincaid argues with Stone: 3 microbrewery beers
Kincaid boffs judge: 1 drink
Kincaid boffs McCoy: DRIVE THE PORCELAIN BUS!
--
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(de-spam e-mail addy)
Luna
lots to add):
The A.T.L&O Drinking Game:
Event... # Drinks
Walt suggests that Claire could be brought back realistically... 1 drink
Walt suggests a Sopranos/L&O crossover... 1 drink
Walt mentions that most men watch L&O for Abbie... 1 drink
Walt says something that makes sense... Skaal!
William December Starr posts... Skaal!
Luna's .sig actually has relevance to her post... 1 drink
Katy or Ann mentions Oz... 1 *stiff* drink
Anyone mentions Homicide... 1 drink, and cry into it
Anyone disparages Homicide... 2 drinks to convince them of the error of their
ways.
A thread from alt.tv.homicide creeps into atl&o... First cross-poster buys a
round.
Someone drools over Logan... 1 drink, preferably a strawberry daquiri
Margie (or anyone else) drools over Jack... 1 drink of perfectly-aged Scotch
Someone drools over Adam... Chug - you'll need it.
Chris Crandall complains about off-topic threads... 1 drink
Someone claims Claire isn't dead... Spit out your drink while yelling at them.
Someone denies Jack and Claire's affair... Argue about it over the next round.
Someone quotes Monty Python... Skaal and sing the Lumberjack Song.
Someone points out plot holes in the latest NBC episode... Drink until you
forget.
Pick your favorite actor/character -
- Your character is quoted on atl&o... 1drink
- Someone on atl&o meets your actor... 2 drinks
- That actor posts to atl&o... Skaal!
drunkenly, luna
* "Here we have a baby, and we like to put a cake on its head. We
always like to, because then instead of thinking, 'Ooh! I'm flying
and I'm scared,' it will think, 'What the bloody hell, I've a cake on
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Katy IJL
> but it probably is worse now than it was
>in 1992 (when that episode aired), especially with the economy the way it is
>in
>NYC and the rents going through the roof.
>
What? Are you kidding? This rarely happens anymore, believe me. Also, if it
did, I'm sure we would hear about it. Especially since the Rev. Al Sharpton
would start pointing out the white landlords . . . .
Katy,
who is really sick of the Rev. Al Sharpton
giner
Someone posts: 'Harmon was somewhat-less-than-annoying in this
episode...' Beers all around!
Someone posts: 'Whatever happened to Michael Moriarity? Why did
he
leave?' 1 drink and an LSD chaser
Someone posts: 'Why can't A&E play the episodes in order?' 1
drink
and a round at the dartboard
-giner
In article <20000427165823...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
Annikins
news:05a2aaf7...@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com...
> LOL! May I just add:
>
> Someone posts: 'Harmon was somewhat-less-than-annoying in this
> episode...' Beers all around!
>
> Someone posts: 'Whatever happened to Michael Moriarity? Why did
> he
> leave?' 1 drink and an LSD chaser
>
> Someone posts: 'Why can't A&E play the episodes in order?' 1
> drink
> and a round at the dartboard
>
> -giner
Luna & Giner,
These are hilarious! BTW, I don't meant to sound completely ignorant, but
what does "Skaal" mean? I presume something re: the sheer impossibility of
an event.
-Ann
Luna
>BTW, I don't meant to sound completely ignorant, but
>what does "Skaal" mean? I presume something re: the sheer impossibility of
>an event.
Actually, it means to cheer and drink the entire contents of your glass.
skaalingly, luna
* Kafka in English: "Waaaa.... I turned into a big bug and now nobody
loves me... waaaa-buzz-buzz-buzz-waaaa...."
Pennyaline
>Walt wrote:
>
>> but it probably is worse now than it was
>>in 1992 (when that episode aired), especially with the economy the way it is
>>in
>>NYC and the rents going through the roof.
>>
>
>What? Are you kidding? This rarely happens anymore, believe me. Also, if it
>did, I'm sure we would hear about it. Especially since the Rev. Al Sharpton
>would start pointing out the white landlords . . . .
Tenants are more savvy now than they were before, and tenant rights
organizations are there--in person, on the phone, in writing, and on the
'Net--to help them. These things were quite rare before.
So Walt, it's no worse. And Walt, the economy is as shitty in NYC as it is
everywhere else. Rents are going through the roof because greedy landlords know
that they can illegally jack up the price and the socially ignorant
acquisitions experts of the ultra-nouveau techno riche will gladly pony up for
trendy addresses, even if they're in the cruddiest neighborhoods. The lower and
middle classes, who haven't and won't benefit from the "boom economy," don't
have a chance when they go up against these barracudas.
Walt, do you know that the *registered* rental prices of many NYC apartments is
actually much lower than these landlords charge?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, but my karma ran over your dogma.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Walt
Thanks for the alert. That's what I get for not having lived in New York since
1986 (I live in Philadelphia. While I'm still in New York several times a year,
there's a big difference to doing that and living there, and you know that.
Walt
You are right, many of the people who pay these jacked up rents earn so much
money that they can afford to pay whatever the landlords would want to charge.
Pehaps down the road, we see an "end of the 20th-beginning of the 21st century"
version of "Cradle To Grave."
Katy IJL
>That's what I get for not having lived in New York since
>1986
New York has greatly improved since 1986.
I arrived.
:-) Katy
Diane
Now I don't have to add this is all in fun, riiiight?
A newbie posts "Why do you all hate Angie Harmon so much?"...1 drink
Consta complains Angie Harmon "drops her out of the moment"...2 drinks
Consta uses the word "mediocre" to describe Angie Harmon...3 drinks
I proclaim the sainthood of Ben Stone...2 drinks
Chris London proclaims the sainthood of Jack McCoy...2 drinks
Someone posts they think the show is going downhill...1 drink
A flurry of responses that the show is just as good or better...2
drinks
Someone posts something positive about SVU...chug
Someone praises Mariska Hargitay's acting ability...break bottle over
their head
Either of the Teds post long, rambling discourses about politics and
government...find Canadian beer and funnel
M. Trainer posts about anything other than firearms...chug (after
locking all the guns away)
Obscure injokes from ath brought over to atl&o...3 drinks
OT threads about pets go on for more than three posts...3 drinks
Katy misses a cultural reference...2 drinks
Someone posts spam about real-life law and order...1 drink
Someone asks for legal advice...2 drinks
Carrie starts posting to Usenet again...celebratory toast
Anyone posts "Hey, wasn't that actor in the show before?"...chug
Giner drools over J.K. Simmons...1 drink
Walt changes the name of a thread...drink until the screaming stops
Walt quotes someone...chug
I complain about Carey Lowell...2 drinks
Carolyn refers to NY theater scene...1 drink
Someone posts "Where do you people see the titles?"...1 drink
"Info LA" posts that damn advertisement...find them and force
moonshine down their throats
Anyone posts with the screenname "greeveygroupie"...chug
And just because it's 2 a.m. and I'm giddy from a "Danger UXB"
marathon...here's a _totally OT_ "Danger UXB" drinking game:
Anyone other than Anthony Andrews disarms a bomb...2 drinks
Anyone other than Anthony Andrews disarms a bomb and it blows up...3
drinks
Anthony Andrews disarms a bomb and it blows up...chug
The fair Susan says, "Oh dear,"...1 drink
You can tell where the characters are from by the accents...chug
You can understand the Welsh bit...you get the next toast: "Iechyd
da!"
You recognize actors from their later roles...2 drinks
Special Tim Piggot-Smith recognition award...3 drinks
Which leads to fantasy about Art Malik...(whoops, that doesn't really
belong here)
Topless women...1 drink
Topless men...chug
The really nice guy gets blown up...1 drink
A superior officer does something stupid...2 drinks
An entire scene goes by with no one offering anyone a drink...sorry,
you're on the wagon
Anthony Andrews looks really sad...1/2 a drink, otherwise you'd die of
alcohol poisoning
Diane
Kaiju
>
> On 27 Apr 2000 20:58:23 GMT, luna...@aol.com (Luna) wrote:
>
> >My contribution to the drinking game odd-yssey (and I'm sure you'll all have
> >lots to add):
> >
> >The A.T.L&O Drinking Game:
> >
> >Event... # Drinks
<snip...events I relate to...>
I'll drink to all of that...
<URP>
Kaiju <the newsgroup usurper...who was somewhat challenged to challenge the
Fans...>
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