Eric Millot to turn Pro!
P'tite Marie
<<<<Glace : Patinage artistique - Eric Millot passe professionnel
PARIS, 16 mai (AFP) - Eric Millot, 28 ans, qui tait depuis prs de dix
ans l'un des piliers de l'quipe de France de patinage artistique, a
annonc vendredi sa dcision de passer professionnel.
<Image>Au mois d'aot, il s'installera avec sa femme et sa fille en
Californie, Palm Spring, dans les environs de Los Angeles, o il
s'entranera pour les preuves professionnelles (Pro-Am, Championnats du
monde et tournes de galas), tout en encadrant des jeunes. Son contrat
couvre les deux prochaines annes.
"Je m'tais accord un temps de rflexion aprs les Championnats du monde,
pour dcider si je devais poursuivre ma carrire amateur jusqu'aux Jeux de
Nagano, a expliqu Millot, lors d'une confrence de presse la patinoire
de Champigny-sur-Marne, o il s'entranait depuis plusieurs annes.
"Mais, alors que je n'avais rien sollicit, mon agent amricain, Michael
Rosenberg, m'a fait des propositions intressantes. Et j'ai dcid de
tenter cette nouvelle aventure".
Les relations avec Annick Gailhaguet, son entraneur, s'tant quelque peu
dtriores, le Rmois a pris une sage dcision. La concurrence sera en effet
beaucoup plus svre pour passer professionnel aprs les Jeux de Nagano.
En outre, la France ne disposera que d'une place pour les messieurs aux
Jeux et le rsultat dcevant que Millot, titularis il est vrai la dernire
minute aprs un dbut de saison perturb par une blessure, avait obtenu
lors des derniers Championnats du monde, lui avait fait perdre une
partie importante de son crdit.
Millot, patineur lgant, mais qui a connu de frquentes difficults avec
son triple axel, tait en quipe de France senior depuis 1989. Il a disput
huit Championnats d'Europe, avec pour meilleur rsultat une mdaille de
bronze en 1993, six Championnats du monde (5e en 1994 et 1995) et deux
jeux Olympiques >>>>
Well Eric Millot is going to turn pro and to train in Palm Spring for
next year's pro event and he will train some youngster ones.He has
signed for two years from June or July, and has made this decision
because of his relationship with his trainer which were going badly.I
don't have much time to translate all of it so email me if you want more
details!
--
Marie MICHALLET
Marie.M...@eleve.emn.fr
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MorryS
If Eric trains in Palm Springs it will be on Roller Blades. There is no
ice arena in Palm Springs.
Ana Gonzalez
Here is a translation of the French newsflash - I'm breaking rule
number one for good translations (English not being my native
language) but I hope it makes sense
Eric Millot, 28 y. old, who has been for almost ten years one of the
pillars of the French figure skating team, announced on Friday his
decision of becoming a professional.
In August he will move together with his wife and his daughter to Palm
Spring, where he will train for professional events (Pro-Am, world
championship and exhibition tours). The contract duration is two
years.
Millot:
"I had given myself some time to think after Worlds to decide if I
should continue as an eligible until the Nagano Games. However,
despite the fact I had never made any inquiries my American agent,
Michael Rosenberg, made me some interesting propositions. So I decided to
embark on this new adventure."
Since the relationship with Annick Gailhaguet, his trainer, had somewhat
deteriorated, the Frenchman has made a wise decision. The competition
to become professional after Nagano will be much tougher. Besides
France will only have one place for the men at the Games and the
disappointing result obtained by Millot at Worlds -after being
nominated for the team at the last minute after a beginning of season
disrupted by an injury - cost him part of his credit.
Millot, an elegant skater but often with difficulties with his triple
axel, has been in the French senior team since 1989. He has taken part
in 8 European championships (best result bronze medal in 1993), 6
World championships (5th in 1994 and 1995) and two Olympic games.
Ana
Ana Gonzalez
On 18 May 1997, MorryS wrote:
> If Eric trains in Palm Springs it will be on Roller Blades. There is no
> ice arena in Palm Springs.
>
>
It said that he was going to *live* in Palm Springs, nothing really about
where he was going to train -not everyone is dedicated enough to sleep at
work ;)
On the other hand such short news tidbits do tend to be a bit misleading
by omission sometimes - another reason not to try to read too much into
them :)
Ana
SKHazen
In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.97052...@jake.EMBL-Hamburg.DE>,
Ana Gonzalez <A...@jake.EMBL-Hamburg.DE> writes:
>It said that he was going to *live* in Palm Springs, nothing really about
>where he was going to train -not everyone is dedicated enough to sleep at
>work ;)
I believe his agent, Michael Rosenberg, has his offices in the Palm
Springs area and that may be the genesis of the report. Even in easy
traffic, it is more than an hour drive from Palm Springs to Lake Arrowhead
which (aside from a shopping mall mini-rink; I've stopped in there on
unusually hot days to seek respite from the heat) is probably the nearest
training location.
Steven
Jon Seydl
First, thanks for the coherent translation!
Ana Gonzalez (A...@jake.EMBL-Hamburg.DE) wrote:
: Since the relationship with Annick Gailhaguet, his trainer, had somewhat
: deteriorated, the Frenchman has made a wise decision.
Does anyone know more about this deterioration issue? Is Annick Gailhaguet
the woman with the long blond hair seen with Millot and Leray in the
kiss-and-cry, or is this the man who Boitano consulted in the mid-80s for help
with school figures? And what is the Gailhaguets relationship anyway?
Who else is working with A. Gailhauget? Questions, question, questions...
--
Jon L. Seydl jse...@sas.upenn.edu
P'tite Marie
The Gaillaguets are the trainer that in France train the most talentuous
skater in general. They used to be with Surya, and also with Eric.
Actually, they train Laurent Tobel, Stannick Jeanette, Francis Gastellu,
Sabrina Lefrancois and Nicolas Osseland.....I won't tell you all the
ones because they are so many!
And yes, she is that blond woman seen with Millot and Leray. Her husband
is the one who helped Boitano with schoolfigures, but now is the
federation coach, i mean the hehad of the figure skating in France....
The thing is thqt Annick prefers Tobel more than Eric and nearly forced
him to turn pro two years ago. Now that only one place is available, I
am sure Annick is going to fight to send Laurent instead of Philippe.
She and her husband are like that; they prefer to send their student
instead of the best in France....
I hope it helped you a lot.
Ellen B. Edgerton
Ana Gonzalez (A...@jake.EMBL-Hamburg.DE) sez:
: Since the relationship with Annick Gailhaguet, his trainer, had somewhat
: deteriorated, the Frenchman has made a wise decision. The competition
: to become professional after Nagano will be much tougher.
Good move, Eric... although, I'm wondering if only one year is enough
"lead time" for him to make some sort of name for himself before Elvis,
Todd and the rest of the stampede comes on after Nagano.
It's gonna be reeeeal interesting to see how big the pro tent is after
Nagano, when the new blood comes in. Will some of the moldy oldies find
themselves crowded out?
(zipping up the flame retardant suit)
Ana Gonzalez
On 20 May 1997, Jon Seydl wrote:
> First, thanks for the coherent translation!
>
> Ana Gonzalez (A...@jake.EMBL-Hamburg.DE) wrote:
> : Since the relationship with Annick Gailhaguet, his trainer, had somewhat
> : deteriorated, the Frenchman has made a wise decision.
>
> Does anyone know more about this deterioration issue? Is Annick Gailhaguet
> the woman with the long blond hair seen with Millot and Leray in the
> kiss-and-cry, or is this the man who Boitano consulted in the mid-80s for help
> with school figures? And what is the Gailhaguets relationship anyway?
> Who else is working with A. Gailhauget? Questions, question, questions...
>
> --
> Jon L. Seydl jse...@sas.upenn.edu
>
>
Yes, she is the one. Boitano was training with her husband, Didier
Gailhaguet (also Surya Bonaly in the early 90s). Other international
French working with them: Axel Mederic and Thierry Cerez (besides M-P
Leray and Millot). I don't know what the relationships between them and
their trainees are like or what exactly happened with Millot. Who
knows, tt could have been just normal wear and tear after 10 years of
working together .
Ana
P'tite Marie
First, Thierry Cerez has never been with Annick and Didier Gailhaguet!
His trainer is (and always has been) Philippe Pelissier! Philippe is one
of the greatest coach i've ever seen. He lives the programs his skaters
skate to. You can see him jump with Thierry, or fall too. He is very
funny. Axel Mederic was with the Gailhaguet's teram but fortunately he
has become much more expressive!Like Eric in fact. Axel has worked with
Surya this year to improve her choreography as well as her jumping
technique. He is the one who made her "tribla" routine you can see on
TOC i think (i've not seen TOC, but it sounds like the one she made at
Bercy last month).
As for the Gailhaguet, they are thones who asked Surya not to turn pro.
They are the one who didn't allow her to make the quad at Albertville (I
know she attempted it !). They are also the one who told Laeticia Hubert
to stop skating.....
Now, you know why I don't particularly like them.
Ana, another thing, I 've already posted a translation before you , but
i must thank you because yours was more "english" i mean without big
grammar mistakes.
Well, I won't disturb you with all this from now, and have a nice day.
P.S. : Has anybody thought of seeing someone skate to SATIE??wonderful
pieces of piano music, very sad and romantic.Like Chopin indeed.
Jon Seydl
P'tite Marie (Marie.M...@eleve.emn.fr) wrote:
: As for the Gailhaguet, they are thones who asked Surya not to turn pro.
: They are the one who didn't allow her to make the quad at Albertville (I
: know she attempted it !). They are also the one who told Laeticia Hubert
: to stop skating.....
Did Hubert also work with the Gailhauguet at the time? Was this because
of her injuries, or because of other things going? Who is Hubert's coach
now anyway (wasn't she seen with the Scotvolds at one point?)
RPU3
<<Subject: Re: Eric Millot to turn Pro!
From: mor...@aol.com (MorryS)
Date: 18 May 1997 10:51:03 GMT
Message-ID: <19970518145...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
If Eric trains in Palm Springs it will be on Roller Blades. There is no
ice arena in Palm Springs. >>
Details, details! FYI, 14 miles to the southeast of Palm Springs is Palm
Desert, a suburb of Palm Springs, home of the Palm Desert Ice Chalet.
Small rink, but it's ice, with a lot of students......they hold a ISIA
competition every October.
Rebecca
PegLewis
In article <33822671...@eleve.emn.fr>, P'tite Marie
<Marie.M...@eleve.emn.fr> writes:
>P.S. : Has anybody thought of seeing someone skate to SATIE??wonderful
>pieces of piano music, very sad and romantic.Like Chopin indeed.
>
>
I agree - Satie would be a great choice, but not for competition for
eligibles, who need something that helps them get through that last minute
when exhausted and helps to make the audience want to leap to its feet.
Poulenc & Milhaud have written pieces that would work to a climax, and
Ravel, & Debussy.
I love Faure & Satie, but their music is a little difficult to embrace -
that moodiness you wrote about is tough for everyone in an audience to
appreciate, IMO. Gymnopodies, & Three Pieces in the Shape of a Pear are
favorites of mine.
Well, now that I think about it, Faure does have some stonger stuff. At
first I only thought of the little piano pieces, but he does have
symphonic works and - I can't think of the title and I've *played" the
thing! - uh... "Symphonic Variations?" (it is for piano & orchestra).
Rudy Galindo could do great things with Satie... Michelle & Karen Kwan,
too.
Peg
(PegL...@aol.com)
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"It's very intense what's happening in the sport... In the ladies event,
it's a little more the artistic beauty of figure skating. I hope it
doesn't come through to be jump, jump, jump... ...I wasn't as artistic as
I usually am. I was really concentrating on the jumps. I could feel the
lack in the artistry. I have to not let that happen again. I really love
the music, and skating is not all about jumping. My mind was strong. I had
a lot of people behind me. I appreciate it more. When you're young, you
don't think 'I have to do this, and this.' You just skate." - Nicole Bobek
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Ana Gonzalez
On Wed, 21 May 1997, P'tite Marie wrote:
> First, Thierry Cerez has never been with Annick and Didier Gailhaguet!
> His trainer is (and always has been) Philippe Pelissier!
Yep, that was my mistake. It was Laurent Tobel I was really thinking of,
but I only realised when I read Marie's post afterwards. Sorry for
(probably) causing some confusion
> Philippe is one
> of the greatest coach i've ever seen. He lives the programs his skaters
> skate to. You can see him jump with Thierry, or fall too. He is very
> funny.
Yes, on Eurosport and TF1 they tend to show replays of the performances
while the skaters are waiting for the marks. When they show Cerez's they
always include some clips of his coach jumping about. It is indeed quite
fun to watch.
> Axel Mederic was with the Gailhaguet's teram but fortunately he
> has become much more expressive!Like Eric in fact. Axel has worked with
> Surya this year to improve her choreography as well as her jumping
> technique. He is the one who made her "tribla" routine you can see on
> TOC i think (i've not seen TOC, but it sounds like the one she made at
> Bercy last month).
Is that her exhibition program at Europeans? (I didn't recognise the
music) Funny, I though it didn't suit her as much as other of her
exhibition numbers. otoh she must have been skating in pain and a bit
crushed by the results that time. In any case I imagine that program has
pleased or mollified many of the people bemoaning her lack of artistry,
so I guess it was a good choice .
> As for the Gailhaguet, they are thones who asked Surya not to turn pro.
> They are the one who didn't allow her to make the quad at Albertville (I
> know she attempted it !). They are also the one who told Laeticia Hubert
> to stop skating.....
>
Yes, they seem to be very result oriented, never mind the skaters. On the
other hand, that single-mindness may have been useful to raise the
standing of French skating. It seems to me that about half of the
contestants at French nationals come from Champigny (ok, perhaps that
is a slight exaggeration :) and the results obtained by French skaters in
the 90s in international competition have been exceptionally good compared
with the two previous decades...
> Now, you know why I don't particularly like them.
> Ana, another thing, I 've already posted a translation before you , but
> i must thank you because yours was more "english" i mean without big
> grammar mistakes.
>
I must remember to read all the replies to a thread before posting
something myself :) anyhow, thanks for not looking too hard for
mistakes in my translation. My French and my English are faux amis .
Ana
Revjoelle
(Ellen B. Edgerton) writes:
>Will some of the moldy oldies find
>themselves crowded out?
I aint gonna flame ya--I'm just gonna say that, much as I enjoy the young
blood, if I have to choose between shelling out money to go to a show or
pick which TV channel--it's them oldies that will get my vote every time.
Joelle
"I feel 100% confident that I can overcome this disease and be
back on the ice within a few months" - Scott Hamilton
Trudi Marrapodi
I'm wondering if some of our French friends can tell us what the heck is
going on with the French skating federation. I know they have to have
contributed to Eric Millot's decision to turn pro, and apparently the
situation with Surya is not as cut-and-dried as it looked earlier. Exactly
what is going on that has people so distraite? Or, as they say in North
America, "give us the dirt"!
Trudi
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Ellen B. Edgerton
Well, in light of Eric's decision to turn pro, I think it's time for a
recap in honor of his career as an eligible competitor:
12th, 1997 World Championships
5th, 1996 NHK Trophy
5th, 1996 Trophee Lalique
5th, 1996 Skate America
7th, 1996 World Championships
3rd, 1996 Finale du Grand Prix
8th, 1996 European Championships
2nd, 1996 French National Championships
2nd, 1995 Trophee de France
3rd, 1995 Skate Canada
5th, 1995 World Championships
5th, 1995 European Championships
2nd, 1994 Trophee de France
3rd, 1994 Skate America
5th, 1994 World Championships
7th, 1994 Olympics
4th, 1994 European Championships
7th, 1993 World Championships
3rd, 1993 European Championships
1st, 1993 French National Championships
2nd, 1992 Trophee Lalique
3rd, 1992 Skate Canada
15th, 1992 Olympics
8th, 1992 European Championships
1st, 1992 French National Championships
5th, 1991 Skate America
9th, 1991 World Championships
4th, 1991 European Championships
1st, 1991 French National Championships
19th, 1990 European Championships
13th, 1989 European Championships
8th, 1987 World Junior Championships
Good luck to Eric in his new career!
P'tite Marie
Jon Seydl wrote:
> Did Hubert also work with the Gailhauguet at the time? Was this because
> of her injuries, or because of other things going? Who is Hubert's coach
> now anyway (wasn't she seen with the Scotvolds at one point?)
>
> --
> Jon L. Seydl jse...@sas.upenn.edu
Laeticia never worked with the Gailhaguets. Her trainer is Jean Roland
Racle. This man is also the trainer of Sarah Abitbol and Stephane
Bernardis.
Before that, Laeticia used to be with another coach of the club "les
Francais Volants" in Paris Bercy but ican't figure his name out.
But as soon as i can get it back, i'll post it there!
P'tite Marie
Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if some of our French friends can tell us what the heck is
> going on with the French skating federation. I know they have to have
> contributed to Eric Millot's decision to turn pro, and apparently the
> situation with Surya is not as cut-and-dried as it looked earlier. Exactly
> what is going on that has people so distraite? Or, as they say in North
> America, "give us the dirt"!
>
> Trudi
The french federation is thinking of a way to bring the public attention
in France in order to afford a choreographer. Actually, they cannot
afford a choreographer and skaters who cannot afford one have to become
one!
That is probably why they prefer skaters who have a "show" potential
like Bonaly or Candeloro. And that is why they made these two stay even
if it is dangerous for their pro career. I think they promised this
skaters a coach place somewhere or anything that can attract them. As
for Eric, it has been for years that the federation asked him to turn
pro. That' s why he went in a new club this year, and left Champigny.
Well, i hope everything is clear now!
P'tite Marie
HILL JANET SWAN wrote:
> Thanks, Marie, for trying to explain. Unfortunately, it seems that the
> entire "setup" in France (in the relationship between skaters and the
> federation) is so different from what I'm used to, that I'm still
> mystified ..... just in a different way. The whole situation seems so
> very strange to me because hereabouts, skaters pay/arrange for their own
> coaching and choreography, and many skaters are their own choreographers,
> or their coach does "double duty". The USFSA has no say whatever in the
> choices, and it has no say whatever in whether there are training centers,
> or where they are, or who staffs them, or who uses them. And similarly it
> has no say in whether or when a skater turns pro, other than that the
> USFSA writes the rules that say what it takes to remain eligible, but they
> are applicable to all skaters equally.
>
> Bless you. no. But what IS clear is that your system is so different
> from ours that I'm not sure I could entirely grasp the explanation anyway.
> hmmmmmmmmmm.
>
> janet
> hil...@colorado.edu
Well i'd better take my dictionnary to explain you a little bit more
about the french system.
The whole stuff started in 1936 with what we call the "Matignon 's
accords". That was when the social security was enhanced in France. That
meant by that time a week of0 hours (i am not sure...) and also a
payment of retirement based on solidarity. That means that every worker
collects for people who are now retired. And they also collect for the
social ecurity to get a better life concerning illness (even if now, we
are not sure we ll keep this system caz there are too many retired
people). They also collect for people who are without a job...
The whole system includes a PUBLIC school (the truth is that after
highschool, it is not a free sytem anymore caz everything is very
expensive when you are a student here. But from 1 years to 16 school is
obligatory and free) A PUBLIC system means that the sports also is
sponsored by the government in some ways.
As for sports, everything is based on the way that you need to have
great sport centers where athletes can study AND practice sport together
with other sports man or woman. The biggest center is in Paris but you
have one by sports. As an example for ski (not the nordic one) it is in
Albertville. As for figure skating it is in Champigny. But all these
centers are called INSEP. it means that after highschool, this is the
unniversity for people who are international sportiv.
And ice skating is the same. Each federation needs to find its own money
source to guaranty these skaters the best chance to win. And when
someone wants to stop doing sport, he can continue his studies in INSEp
or become a national trainer.
I hope it helped you a bit more:.........
HILL JANET SWAN
In article <33859373...@eleve.emn.fr>,
P'tite Marie <Marie.M...@eleve.emn.fr> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if some of our French friends can tell us what the heck is
>> going on with the French skating federation.
>
>The french federation is thinking of a way to bring the public attention
>in France in order to afford a choreographer. Actually, they cannot
>afford a choreographer and skaters who cannot afford one have to become
>one! (I snipped the rest of the message)
Thanks, Marie, for trying to explain. Unfortunately, it seems that the
entire "setup" in France (in the relationship between skaters and the
federation) is so different from what I'm used to, that I'm still
mystified ..... just in a different way. The whole situation seems so
very strange to me because hereabouts, skaters pay/arrange for their own
coaching and choreography, and many skaters are their own choreographers,
or their coach does "double duty". The USFSA has no say whatever in the
choices, and it has no say whatever in whether there are training centers,
or where they are, or who staffs them, or who uses them. And similarly it
has no say in whether or when a skater turns pro, other than that the
USFSA writes the rules that say what it takes to remain eligible, but they
are applicable to all skaters equally.
>pro. That' s why he went in a new club this year, and left Champigny.
>Well, i hope everything is clear now!
Bless you. no. But what IS clear is that your system is so different
HILL JANET SWAN
>
>Well i'd better take my dictionnary to explain you a little bit more
>about the french system.
Bouquets and thanks to you. I greatly admire the effort AND the
accomplishment.
>As for sports, everything is based on the way that you need to have
>great sport centers where athletes can study AND practice sport together
>with other sports man or woman. The biggest center is in Paris but you
>have one by sports. As an example for ski (not the nordic one) it is in
>Albertville. As for figure skating it is in Champigny. But all these
>centers are called INSEP. it means that after highschool, this is the
>unniversity for people who are international sportiv.
>
>And ice skating is the same. Each federation needs to find its own money
>source to guaranty these skaters the best chance to win. And when
>someone wants to stop doing sport, he can continue his studies in INSEp
>or become a national trainer.
>
>I hope it helped you a bit more:.........
Yes, it did. Let me try to get some things straight, though. If you
don't know the answers, I'll understand.
-- Was the French government involved in funding the creation of the
sports centers?
-- You say that each federation is responsible for finding enough money to
support its sport. Does some or all of that money come from the
government?
-- Are the sports federations (some or all of them) government agencies,
or at least government-supported?
-- Are the "recreational" skaters ..... the ones who do it for fun, or the
ones who haven't advanced to the point to know if their potential or
interest is at a high level ..... members of the federation, or is the
federation "membership" limited to those who are seriously competitive at
some level?
-- Is it possible for a skater (or other athlete) to train/learn somewhere
other than the centers and still be (potentially) included on the
"national teams"? ... it would seem so, since I believe you indicated
that Millot left Champigny (?) last year in hopes of getting treated
better/more seriously.
-- If a skater DOES decide to train somewhere else, are they likely to
have the federation somehow "prejudiced against" them because they
rejected the "normal" training pattern? (In other words, what were the
odds that Millot could have succeeded after he left the center)
-- Does the federation somehow tell people who their coaches should be, or
do they at least get to pick among coaches at the centers?
I hope you don't think I'm grilling you. I'm just curious, and trying to
understand these very different circumstances in hopes that it may help me
understand some of what happens with French skaters.
We (me included) tend to assume that things are the same everywhere, and
often don't even stop to wonder about it. Thanks, Trudi, for asking the
question in the first place, and thanks, Marie, for trying to help us
understand.
janet
hil...@colorado.edu
P'tite Marie
HILL JANET SWAN wrote:
> Yes, it did. Let me try to get some things straight, though. If you
> don't know the answers, I'll understand.
>
> -- Was the French government involved in funding the creation of the
> sports centers?
Yes and it is the office in charge with what we call sports and youth
who is involved there.
> -- You say that each federation is responsible for finding enough money to
> support its sport. Does some or all of that money come from the
> government?
Some of the money comes from the french governmant, but a very little
part. Most of the money comes from TV rights or special donator and also
with the prelevments made on skaters owns.
> -- Are the sports federations (some or all of them) government agencies,
> or at least government-supported?
All of them are part of the office i told you about before. Some of them
who are not recognized by the french government are not any more
supported by it. The halterophilie's one is an example caz it is no
longer considered as a sport.
> -- Are the "recreational" skaters ..... the ones who do it for fun, or the
> ones who haven't advanced to the point to know if their potential or
> interest is at a high level ..... members of the federation, or is the
> federation "membership" limited to those who are seriously competitive at
> some level?
The ones who don't take lessons and who just skate by themselves don't
have to be in the federation if they don't want to pay. The ones who
take lessons or who want to can be part of it and have to pass a medical
test and to pay something (a fee) for one year.
> -- Is it possible for a skater (or other athlete) to train/learn somewhere
> other than the centers and still be (potentially) included on the
> "national teams"? ... it would seem so, since I believe you indicated
> that Millot left Champigny (?) last year in hopes of getting treated
> better/more seriously.
First they are going to a rink and take lesson. If the coach thinks they
have a potential they go to a selection (when they are young) and they
are bring to a center . But if you don't want to go there you don't have
to.Gusmeroli is an example of that choice. She didn't leave her house
to go to Paris and prefered to stay with HER own trainer. As for Millot
he left his rink but kept the trainers....
> -- If a skater DOES decide to train somewhere else, are they likely to
> have the federation somehow "prejudiced against" them because they
> rejected the "normal" training pattern? (In other words, what were the
> odds that Millot could have succeeded after he left the center)
Look what happened to Surya. She wanted to be trained in USA, but the
fed didn't allow her to. So her mother took her....And yes It has also
prejudiced Eric because he was no longer in the "moule" (check a
dictionnary please!).
> -- Does the federation somehow tell people who their coaches should be, or
> do they at least get to pick among coaches at the centers?
It depends on the skaters and on its parents. The best coaches are
supposed to be in these centers. But again, Gusmeroli did another
choice and it works too! Some years ago, another french girl made this
choice (can't remember her name it was Sandra or Sonia something)
decided to go to Paris and she had psychologic problems because of that!
> I hope you don't think I'm grilling you. I'm just curious, and trying to
> understand these very different circumstances in hopes that it may help me
> understand some of what happens with French skaters.
>
You know, the only two federations who work very well like that are the
Judo and the Fencing federation. Now, nearly all the others are trying
to do the same. But skating federation is special in a way that skaters
at the smae level cannot ttrain in the same center caz the coach cannot
have a fav (if you know what i mean...)
> We (me included) tend to assume that things are the same everywhere, and
> often don't even stop to wonder about it. Thanks, Trudi, for asking the
> question in the first place, and thanks, Marie, for trying to help us
> understand.
>
> janet
> hil...@colorado.edu
Now i hope everything is clear.
HILL JANET SWAN
>You know, the only two federations who work very well like that are the
>Judo and the Fencing federation. Now, nearly all the others are trying
>to do the same. But skating federation is special in a way that skaters
>at the smae level cannot ttrain in the same center caz the coach cannot
>have a fav (if you know what i mean...)
Thanks! I forgot to about ask that, but I did wonder. I appreciate your
effort at putting all this in English.
janet
hil...@colorado.edu
Debby M. Fortin
>Well, i hope everything is clear now!
Much more so, Marie and thanks for your efforts. By the way, you have a good
command of the English language. I only wish I could do as well in French,
being married to a Canadian francophone and all...:-)
Debby